I soo lv fantasia she sings so beautiful......,!AND WHO SAID SHE IS UGLY..!let me tell u 1 thing ur only seeing ur own ugli-ful......deep inside ur selves......{en plz do not see ada people uglyness while u do not see urself that u r ugly -in sum sort of way}................!
I soo lv fantasia she sings so beautiful......,!AND WHO SAID SHE IS UGLY..!let me tell u 1 thing ur only seeing ur own ugli-ful......deep inside ur selves......{en plz do not see ada people uglyness while u do not see urself that u r ugly -in sum sort of way}................!
I LOVE HER AND HER MUSIC !AND IF ANYONE DOESNT DONT LISTEN ITS SO RUDE REALLY!SHES BEEN THROUGH ALOT AND SHE GREAT! THE FANS LOVE HER SO THATS ALL THAT MATTERS! RIGHT
attention if your in arkansas on july 9 dont miss fantasia live in concert at the robinson center in Little Rock,AR if you havent gotten your tickets get them now cause this is a must see show tickets are available now at ticket master
I never really liked fantasia before . I knew who she was and basic information and stuff but to me she was just another American idol star . Then I watched this video and it changed my whole perspective . I love -absoloutely adore fantasia and this song now . Seriously thank you for posting this video because it really changed my life .
Those of you who come to this video to say ugly things....you are very low self esteem ppl and all you can do is sit behind a computer and hide. When you put other ppl down you are really exposing your own insecurities. The reason many of you haters have such screwed up lives is because that is what you put out there and you don't understand that is what you are gonna attract back to yourselves. Nobody forced you to come to this video and watch it. If you don't have anything nice to say be quiet
@READY4REVELATION Amen to that! LOL Seriously, that is sooo true. It's called the "Law of Attraction." Look for positives instead of negatives, and that's what you'll get back. ;)
@IridiumRedTheOrigina but millions are buying it and she got a grammy so the professionals agree, so you, being someone who is probably broke and who doesn't have a grammy, sound like a hater
Fantasia Barrino is not ugly. For those who think she is, you need to know that there are many who will think you aren't attractive either. Stop being so mean! Fantasia is beautiful to me because she has such a giving heart and she is just her own 'country self". I love her realness and she has a voice that is amazing. I think she is a beautiful person inside and out...flaws and all.
damn! i swear to fucking god(lord forgive me.lol) it is ALWAYS ALWAYS the ugly ones calling other people ugly. ugh! it really urks my nerves!, i just look at them and just look and look, and sigh.
kudos to the judges for picking this girl... bc i wouldn't have. She just had this HARDNESS and......i just don't think she was all that special. but boy was i wrong.
hey, u guys!!.. have a look at our malaysian idol jaclyn victor!! i don wanna say more..jus watch on u tube..jus type 'jaclyn victor's awesome performances part 1&2'..u will be amazed by her..shes got the head voice..shes the only one in this world who can hold microfon higher on top her head..huh!!..so goosebump to watch her great talent!..shes world class voice!..so do adam lambert and fantasia barrino too..hope jac can team up wit adam and fantasia
@Howiedoin77 , I haven't seen you, but by your comment I know that your soul is ugly and you're an unhappy person. I pray God enters your life and heart. God bless you....
@glv3391, Thank you, thank you, thank you for making me see the err of my ways. It was unfair of me to attack her looks. I should have just kept my comments limited to her horrible singing.
i really cannot believe that Simon actually allowed her to even make it past the audition.
Her actually beating Jennifer Hudson is enough to bring tears to my eye...tears of frustration that this raspy awful voice was voted to be better then jennifers
Fantasia is so talented she has such a powerful voice she aint no where near the worst anything to who ever the person is that said it i love Fantasia her voice is so different and beautiful
damn all kinds of arguments going on here. lol. I just wanted to say that I actually love her voice itz different and has lot of soul to it, shes amazing. :)
This girl is an okay singer with a bunch of predictable pop inflected embellishments she adds with a total lack of taste. She's a flash in the pan and no one will care when she fades out in a year or two. She's just being used to make money until people get bored of her. A descent performer yes, but not a much of an "artist". Unless you count cultivating your own ego as an art.
I agree with most of you. Some good singers have bad tones to their voice, and this is the case. And then there are very bad singers with good enough tone in their voice to sell a lot like Britney...
\sucks, and there are a tons of beter people with beter voices who arn't going anywhere. She's a joke. and white people can have soul voices. It doesn't matter really
Well it's not surprising when you're propagating the kind of thinking that has led to the murder of millions of people. And hey maybe it was a joke, just trying to get attention or whatever you wanna call it. But either way it was ignorant, and its sad that you find humor in that, but you're young. Life is the greatest teacher, whether you see its lessons or not. Someday you might understand why racist comments though amusing can lead to serious problems. I'm not angry just kinda grosd out.
what you JUSt said was racist, its the same as someone saying
"all Chinese people have small genitals"
just because you believe it doesn't mean it isn't racist. you are making assumptions about a group of people based solely on the qualification of their skin color/race. So if you really believe that then you are DEFINITELY by DEFINITION a racist. Or at least that particular belief you have is a racist one.
People would say that because it is a stereotype, just like "all white people don't have soul in their voice". Which having never heard EVERY white person sing you can't possibly say. Which means you are grouping people together and judging them based on their ethnicity which IS racist. Its pretty ridiculous that you don't even understand what racism really is. You don't have to be "trying" to be racist, and don't have to think what you're saying is even bad.
I give up, being ignorant of the fact that you ARE being racist doesn't mean you aren't. your opinion is based on a closed minded idea that you judge all white people on. therefore you ARE RACIST despite it being your opinion. In fact it is BECAUSE it is "just your opinion" that you are racist. You clearly can't put two thoughts together so I'll stop trying to explain. Ask a teacher or something cause you need some help on this.
It doesn't matter who you hang out with or if you meant it to be mean its IS by DEFINITION racist to group and entire group of people based on their skin color and make a judgment about them, that is what you did. It is clear that you don't understand what racism fully is. once you start stereotyping groups based on color you open the door to make further judgments based on it. You are assuming that all white people are the same or their voices are, which IS RACIST.
The difference is that I'm not using race as a factor in making that my judgment. I'm just seeing your actions and based on those drawing conclusions on you as an individual It doesn't reflect my feelings towards whatever nationality/ethnic group/whatever you may be a part of. You still need to have opinions just avoid grouping people together and judging them ALL based on race alone. Or making generalization about "all white/black people". That's where it gets ugly. Understand?
LOL... wow.... you just don't get it... I'm going to stop trying to explain here because you really are just completely ignorant. You have no idea what racism is! You think its just judging people in general? whatever, I tried. this really makes me sad though that you are so thick. Of course you don't think its racist and think its all the same, because you don't understand AT ALL... good luck with that, I'm gonna stop wasting my time, if you actually care at all go ask a teacher.
Do some research, or print out our conversation and bring it to a teacher, but just saying "no it's not different" doesn't change the reality/facts of what it is which don't change just because you are too dumb to understand them. It's actually one of the scariest types of racism when the person is too dumb to even see it, you're actually the first person I've ever met that is that dumb congratulations. ESPECIALLY after having it explained LOL!
I read your comments I think you are very right . Well said, i don't get how some of these videos turn into a racial thing. People need to learn how to the topic at hand.
Not that keniasteen isn't an idiot. Prejudices are carried out by individuals; racism is the oppression/denying of rights to people usually by institutions. Unless she's singlehandedly denying a group of people rights. Your neighbor thinking you're lazy/dumb because you're part of x group is a prejudice, a housing complex refusing to rent because you're part of x group is racism.
I've looked into that, and it just plain isn't true. Both prejudice and racism can be carried out by individuals or institutions and there is no proof or reason to state that one performs one more than the other since one is simply a form/manifestation of the other.
I'd like to know where you got that idea. Also find it interesting to bring up since it really does nothing but confuse the poor girl more.
Don't remember what it was but based on. But with how far this went trying to explain to keniasteen I really don't care.
Racism usually involves the act of generalization so it would be a logical stepping stone in explaining it. Racism is a generalization based on Race, or it often is.
your point.... well isn't even a point.
Also....no offense but you can't even spell generalization.....
Racism is not just a generalization based on race. Oversimplified, and that speaks volumes about your lack of awareness. It's the differential access to goods, services, and opportunities of society. It's a judicial system that unfairly targets minorities, it's a corporate world that doesn't pay minorities of equal qualification and skill the same as their white counterparts. It's the hundreds of years of oppression that caused gaping differences in the socioeconomic status of racial groups.
The whole goal of this was to simplify it so that keniasteen could stop hating people based on their race... you're missing the entire point of this thread.
And racism isn't all about whites getting more then others fyi. Your definition is totally biased based on your own qualifications of how you've seen the manifestation of the generalization that is racism acted out. You're talking about the results not the concept. Which "speaks volumes" about the level on which you operate.
No, it's based on placing the definition within the context of history. Racism is the culturally sanctioned beliefs, which, regardless of intentions involved, defend the advantages the majority have because of the subordinated position of racial minorities. Prejudice refers to any unreasonable attitude that is unusually resistant to rational influence. Anyone with a decent college education should recognize that Keniasteen was displaying the latter.
Exaclty, you're talking about RESULTS (being the context of history) not the actual mindset. It is not inherent in the definiton of racism that one group be a minority or a majority that is more applicable to 'institutional racism' which is not the same thing as the Concept of racism as a mind set. The line your are trying to draw not only doesn't exist in any meaningful way but is useless as far as her recognition of her "prejudiced" or racist views. Just hot air blowing from the southlands
The mindset of racism is rooted in power and privilege and fear of losing it and having an objective in order to preserve it. Prejudice is a a normal human response because all human beings tend to prejudge others on the basis of limited knowledge, especially if they are different from us. Thus we are all prejudiced, and virtually none are exempt. However, Racial Prejudice +Power= Racism. It's for that reason I cannot call Keniasteen a "racist" as you did.
Sorry but you're wrong there is 'reverse racism" which is a type of racism which has nothing to do with having power over another group in fact its the exact opposite. Though it could be viewed as a fear of losing what little power is left it is still racism and does not require power. Just because all humans tend to prejudge doesn't mean we must hurtfully act on those judgments. We can/should be conscious of our thoughts and try to avoid being ruled by our prejudices.
Reverse discrimination (sometimes called "reverse racism") is, in its simplest form , the practice of favoring members of a historically disadvantaged group at the expense of members of a historically advantaged group.
You're right it is not inherent that one group be a minority or a majority, as evident by the apartheid committed by minority whites against majority non-whites, but as I said racism in its mindset and concept is rooted in power and privilege. Racism is more than just prejudice and discrimination combined. Racism is a socially constructed reality at the heart of society¹s structures. The fact that so many people are so quick to label the most banal of human idiocy racism, is disheartening.
You put too much reverence into a disembodied concept of racism in which it only exists as a "socially constructed reality at the heart of societies structures". You're trying to pretend that the mindset and actions which create this don't build the structure. It's like saying someone who acts Christian isn't being Christian because the church is "a socially constructed reality etc.." it doesn't work. You're definition has points but misses the reality and daily application of the issue.
I don't agree with your analogy at all because that's not what I intended. I'm saying the structure reinforces and feeds the mindset and actions. The social structure of race privilege and power is so ingrained in society it becomes invisible to the group that benefits. In others words they won't even recognize their mindset and actions as racist because the structure is treated with such normalcy it becomes invisible to them.
The reality is that society is dominated by a structure that privileges one group over another, that enforces such privilege through social conditioning, institutionalized inequality and oppression and through the inherent violence of capital and the state. The dominant X cultures views are everywhere people Y have to learn the norms and rules in order to get by, but X group dont have to understand or even be aware what it means to be Y to function in this society because it's structured so.
but it is explaining the function of racism in a society which negates the actual day to day acts which occur based on it's existence. Such a structure also would not exist without racism existing first which means that racism itself cannot be the structure. so what you are defining is a result of racism which reinforces it but it is not in itself the definition of racism. It seems like this is a "chicken or the egg" problem now...
Humans are biologically programmed to possess tribalism. In that we are more comfortable around and look to protect people that are most like ourselves. It wasn't until "race" was invented in the 17th century that this tribalism was structured, nurtured, and exploited to gain power and privilege. Prior to that people even if they were of the same "race," didn't look at each other as such because there was no concept or structure of race, the view was based on tribal or regional origin.
where do you get this stuff? I can find documented cases of racism in the 16th and even 15th century. What are your sources for all this stuff, because non of it fully checks out. It's all half truths twisted to suit your argument.
Please comprehend, as a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT and the contemporary meaning we have today, "race" wasnt invented until the 17th century. Originating with the racialization of slavery in the 1680s, where racial terms to begin to spread into wide use, it was not until the the 17th century that European scholars attempted to organize and place people into categories on a perceived inferiority/superiority complex. Read Audrey Smedley and Robert Bernasconi to name a few.
For instance, ancient Mediterraneans obviously noted the physical differences of black Africans but didnt think of them apparently as different from other exotic races, like, say, white Germans or brown Indians. It was not the quasi-biological concept that was invented much later.
you are APPLYING the concept or racism which is a FORM of prejudice to the Recorded version of history to get a result. I'd also say whatever degree you hold isn't worth he paper its printed on if you only learned to apply definitions that are obviously based on a context and miss a true understanding of the larger idea. You definition for prejudice is pretty weak if not totally wrong as well. Get your money back from your school, you've been robbed.
Given your weak and nonsensical response in context and that it's littered with grammatical and spelling errors, I'm going to have to dismiss you as nothing more than just another casualty of a depleted American public school system. You can spot your kind a mile away. Also, the definition I used for prejudice is recognized by scholars and sociologist. Then again your school probably couldn't afford up-to-date books for you to know that.
To be a casualty of something one must have something to do with it, directly or indirectly.
Unless you're thinking my involvement would be at an administrative level? Then there would be a difference worth noting. I'm curious to know what difference you're trying to conjure up here.
Wow! By definition a casualty is a person or thing that is rendered ineffective, lost, injured or destroyed or is the victim of an accident, injury, or trauma,etc. In the context of my sentence, I was saying you're a victim of a bad public school system. You do nothing to disprove it. I used casualty because I was somewhat sympathetic, but now I'm going to go with you just being the system's perfect product.
LOL! You're in no position to be dismissive. The fact is you had an incorrect definition and got called on it. I'll admit that you seem to have above average levels of fluid and crystallized intelligence, but it's clear you are also the product of a public school education. That said, I would rather have nothing relevant to say over not knowing the meaning of the words I use.
I'd also like to know which scholars support your definitions and in what context. I'm positive you are not applying them appropriately/how they were intended.
White people have no soul (in their voice I assume she meant). Given that 'Soul' is viewed as a positive trait in singing she is creating a hierarchy and saying that based on skin color one group is better. Especially given the popularity of the program in question it is certainly a socially charged hierarchy. you are wrong I'm afraid. I'm saying that assuming race ALWAYS not "tend"s to determine things is bad. Swing and a miss my friend.
Yes he was generalising which is lazy thing to do. He should have said "whites tend to have no soul":)
Race does determine us in many ways. For example African people have different morphology of their muscles which is one of the factors that predisposes them biologically to athletics. Inuit ppl have flat faces which predisposes them to living in cold conditions. There are many more examples.
Now, racist is someone who uses these differences as an excuse for discrimination.
"white people have no soul" and I assume she meant in their voice when they sing. I said that I hoped someday she understood how ignorant that was. Then these other two started arguing about the definition of racism and trying to disembody into a theoretical concept in which no one is racist only prejudiced and that racism is only a societal structure. Which I think was useless in helping this poor girl wise up.... Interesting though....
Oddly enough no one ever defined soul, it's musical definition is "music that arose out of the black experience in America through the transmutation of gospel and rhythm & blues into a form of funky, secular testifying." *Devil's Advocate* if it's definition states that it comes from the black experience, isn't she technically right. You could counter-argue with the broader definition of "soul" but that isn't the context in which she used it.
I never said no one is racist only prejudiced, but that I thought Keniasteen was prejudice but not racist. Her thinking white people do not have soul in their voices is about as racist as someone who doesn't find redheads attractive, she hears what she hears just like people are attracted to what they're attracted to. If she starts a record label and refuses to sign a talented white person based on that prejudice, that imo makes her racist.
BTW you've just made a generalization yourself by assuming that my spelling problems (i'm not native english speaker) prove that I don't have a point. This was hateful and ignorant :)
To get technical about it it's called "Antilocution" the first step in racism. You made off hand remarks about a group based on color, grouping them together ethnically and assuming that they are all the same because of their ethnicity. This is robing them of their individual strengths and weaknesses thinking of them based entirely on what you perceive to be their racial defined limitations. In this case their voice, but it illustrates that you see people in a racist way.
that is to say that you don't see white people's singing ability as something that each individual may or may not have "soul" in but you unbiassedly assume based on race that they will all be the same. This type of racial grouping shows a lack of perspective for the people inside that ethnic group as individuals, which is dehumanizing AND whether you like it or not racist. sorry but you need to re-examine yourself.
Being racist is to be discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion and a racist is a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others. You are doing BOTH of those. Its like I said at first you are just so ignorant of what it even really is that you don't realize you're doing it. And sure it SEEMS harmless but that type of thought leads to and keeps alive a VERY dark train of thought. At this point I'm really just trying to help you understand.
LOLz you are SOooo thick... step outside yourself and look at your words and opinions in an objective light. You seem to think that you are incapable of racism? Why?
People's opinion used to be that black people were meant to be slaves.. so I guess they weren't racist either.
0:06 and i'm still faaaalling.
Fillespia 1 week ago
shortest career ever.
jts024 1 week ago 3
she's so talented! <3
blackcutegirl 2 weeks ago
She is not ugly it was just her hair style plus the show is not about looks it about the voice and she has a gud one
gymnasticsaddict122 1 month ago
Well, I don't think she is ugly. She is cute to me. I agree with what some said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
TheCalebson 2 months ago
Fantasia was on American Idol?? O3O
Naruchu99 2 months ago
@Naruchu99 soooo late
shonie3578 2 months ago
why are people fighting???
98DarkAngel 2 months ago
Girl was HUNGRY#clearly
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I soo lv fantasia she sings so beautiful......,!AND WHO SAID SHE IS UGLY..!let me tell u 1 thing ur only seeing ur own ugli-ful......deep inside ur selves......{en plz do not see ada people uglyness while u do not see urself that u r ugly -in sum sort of way}................!
Anhlenhlanhla 3 months ago
I soo lv fantasia she sings so beautiful......,!AND WHO SAID SHE IS UGLY..!let me tell u 1 thing ur only seeing ur own ugli-ful......deep inside ur selves......{en plz do not see ada people uglyness while u do not see urself that u r ugly -in sum sort of way}................!
Anhlenhlanhla 3 months ago
I LOVE HER AND HER MUSIC !AND IF ANYONE DOESNT DONT LISTEN ITS SO RUDE REALLY!SHES BEEN THROUGH ALOT AND SHE GREAT! THE FANS LOVE HER SO THATS ALL THAT MATTERS! RIGHT
NOTWHATITHINK 5 months ago
her voice is amazing
platinumstar2b 6 months ago
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rashard418 8 months ago
so what if shes ugly, everyone is ugly, and pretty at the same time
some people may think shes fine as hell, EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT TAST
Y0itsLemon 9 months ago
I never really liked fantasia before . I knew who she was and basic information and stuff but to me she was just another American idol star . Then I watched this video and it changed my whole perspective . I love -absoloutely adore fantasia and this song now . Seriously thank you for posting this video because it really changed my life .
lhighfive 10 months ago
Those of you who come to this video to say ugly things....you are very low self esteem ppl and all you can do is sit behind a computer and hide. When you put other ppl down you are really exposing your own insecurities. The reason many of you haters have such screwed up lives is because that is what you put out there and you don't understand that is what you are gonna attract back to yourselves. Nobody forced you to come to this video and watch it. If you don't have anything nice to say be quiet
READY4REVELATION 11 months ago
@READY4REVELATION Amen to that! LOL Seriously, that is sooo true. It's called the "Law of Attraction." Look for positives instead of negatives, and that's what you'll get back. ;)
Cwis0212 3 months ago
@serrano505....she isn't that rich or famous either
eagles01211 11 months ago
Heyyyy before you bash her on singing, Whos rich and famous ? NOT YOU !
serrano509 11 months ago
that sounded sooo pretty... I wanna hear the whole version, I might cry!
SIRGAGA123 11 months ago
@IridiumRedTheOrigina but millions are buying it and she got a grammy so the professionals agree, so you, being someone who is probably broke and who doesn't have a grammy, sound like a hater
SIRGAGA123 11 months ago
she was amazing n 2 me none of gods creations r ugly.
shareekah1 1 year ago
The burg727 ur right and I love her for get the others they just mad bc they can't sing like her. Love u girl
starbossy911 1 year ago
request her new hot single "im doing me" on your local radio station so we can help her get up on the charts
rashard418 1 year ago
Fantasia Barrino is not ugly. For those who think she is, you need to know that there are many who will think you aren't attractive either. Stop being so mean! Fantasia is beautiful to me because she has such a giving heart and she is just her own 'country self". I love her realness and she has a voice that is amazing. I think she is a beautiful person inside and out...flaws and all.
theburg727 1 year ago
damn! i swear to fucking god(lord forgive me.lol) it is ALWAYS ALWAYS the ugly ones calling other people ugly. ugh! it really urks my nerves!, i just look at them and just look and look, and sigh.
nailaniheartsmj 1 year ago 10
@nailaniheartsmj lol so true
younglover1994 11 months ago
wow, ignorance. i bet half the people saying she's ugly look like washed up pornstars! don't hate. why are you hating on her?
junglechickjm14 1 year ago
don t miss out on fantasia highly anticipation album "back to me" hits stores on aug 24
rashard418 1 year ago
@rashard418 yes and it's good!
letronthedivo 1 year ago
she's not ugly wtf is wrong with u?
mattsky 1 year ago
please don't judge people by the looks,life is too short for that
Seancui283 1 year ago
She's ugly but can sing =)
Y0ungm1x 1 year ago
@Y0ungm1x lik u can sing bettr than her
BabyZ12321 1 year ago
@BabyZ12321 Mabey you need to read again...i said she can sing smh think before you speak dick head
Y0ungm1x 1 year ago
@Y0ungm1x like you look any better.
junglechickjm14 1 year ago
@junglechickjm14 Hop off ma shit
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@Y0ungm1x you aint got nothing!
junglechickjm14 1 year ago
vote for fantasia new video on 106&park or text fan to 79922
rashard418 1 year ago
i think she is beautiful and has an Amazing voice!
Raoulirshan 1 year ago
lmaaoo fantasia looked rough bck thern
hmmmtastey789 1 year ago
Love fantasia
chevko 1 year ago
kudos to the judges for picking this girl... bc i wouldn't have. She just had this HARDNESS and......i just don't think she was all that special. but boy was i wrong.
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Howiedoin77 2 years ago
Believe or not. Everyone is ugly to someone. Including you.
LANORDA9 2 years ago 179
@LANORDA9 I'm one sexy ass motherfucker.
I doubt it.
TerrifiedPotatoe 1 year ago
@LANORDA9 No not me.
DrinkSkateSleep 8 months ago
@LANORDA9 HA! 94 ugly ppl liked this grandted 2% might just be nice good looking ppl,lol
lathanregintree 7 months ago
@Howiedoin77 , I haven't seen you, but by your comment I know that your soul is ugly and you're an unhappy person. I pray God enters your life and heart. God bless you....
glv3391 2 years ago
@glv3391, Thank you, thank you, thank you for making me see the err of my ways. It was unfair of me to attack her looks. I should have just kept my comments limited to her horrible singing.
Howiedoin77 2 years ago
@glv3391 Lol
rose101108 1 year ago
LM(D)O LM(D)O ........ dats all i gotta say
pittbulls 2 years ago
i really cannot believe that Simon actually allowed her to even make it past the audition.
Her actually beating Jennifer Hudson is enough to bring tears to my eye...tears of frustration that this raspy awful voice was voted to be better then jennifers
Meggabear1988 2 years ago
Yeah, I won't deny that Fantasia has talent, but there's little comparison between her and Jennifer.
jbean0 2 years ago
@Meggabear1988 jennifer tries way too hard to belt words out in my opinion.I like Fan's voice better.
TrynaGetBacToMyLuv 1 year ago
Fantasia is so talented she has such a powerful voice she aint no where near the worst anything to who ever the person is that said it i love Fantasia her voice is so different and beautiful
iAmonyi 2 years ago 3
haters!!!! she def. can sing, but to each its own I guess!
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the most annoying nasel voice ever. worst american idol winner ever.
nighthawk584 2 years ago
watch?v=jG0owF49FFg
JonasBrothersMosic 2 years ago
she killed the song i a bad way
moynul123 2 years ago
agreed. why she couldn't just sing it the way it's written instead of inserting a thousand variations in one key is beyond me.
litgoddess1 2 years ago
i agree with southlandking if the tables were turned we would be called racists
RJLDS1 2 years ago 3
I love her voice!
yodavidnavarro 2 years ago 5
damn all kinds of arguments going on here. lol. I just wanted to say that I actually love her voice itz different and has lot of soul to it, shes amazing. :)
Ryoko1011 2 years ago 88
keniasteen has her own opinion. But there is on tvery important white boy your forgetting with lots of soul in there voice. Read my username
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bigdaddyeh 2 years ago
she killin me but it werent softly it was painfully
tammy784 2 years ago
Who cares about you ?
keniasteen 2 years ago
i do
Leevi72 2 years ago
Dont Care Watcha Think
keniasteen 2 years ago
yes u do or u wdnt comment
Leevi72 2 years ago
This girl is an okay singer with a bunch of predictable pop inflected embellishments she adds with a total lack of taste. She's a flash in the pan and no one will care when she fades out in a year or two. She's just being used to make money until people get bored of her. A descent performer yes, but not a much of an "artist". Unless you count cultivating your own ego as an art.
duketronix 2 years ago
I am sorry but some white people do have soul, so shove it.
bginger13 2 years ago 9
shut up, will you?
BanjoBanjo12 2 years ago
sorry, i was ment to say that to somebody else. they weren't being very nice.
BanjoBanjo12 2 years ago
XD FAIL
Biskmut 2 years ago
Wtf. White people may hae little soul.. but so what??
EnglandRulesUk 2 years ago 3
she has a good voice...but she just goes overboard sometimes and it gets annoying...like with the screaming...idk just my opinion
charmitchell2008 2 years ago
better contestants? what planet?
moneyniche20 2 years ago
earth
duketronix 2 years ago
I agree with most of you. Some good singers have bad tones to their voice, and this is the case. And then there are very bad singers with good enough tone in their voice to sell a lot like Britney...
rosenbergbenadretti 3 years ago 2
i agree kinda
osahju914 3 years ago
what do you mean by annoying voice? i bet that you can,t sing so ears are so annoying to hear such a great voice like fantesia barrino,s
vinotilukay 3 years ago
its not her voice, her pitch is great! it is that ghastly donald duck tone she has. she is a good singer, but her tone is bad
osahju914 3 years ago
and she has a bad ass attitude. I hate her, diana digarmo should of won. fantasha ended up to be a mistake, and trouble
BanjoBanjo12 2 years ago
She has a soul full voice...something that white people can never have
keniasteen 2 years ago
that's untrue 4real...
charmitchell2008 2 years ago
Its true white people have no soul in their voice
keniasteen 2 years ago
That's the most ignorant think I've heard in a while. Way to be a total racist and an embarrassment to the human race.
duketronix 2 years ago
\sucks, and there are a tons of beter people with beter voices who arn't going anywhere. She's a joke. and white people can have soul voices. It doesn't matter really
BanjoBanjo12 2 years ago
Since when ?
keniasteen 2 years ago
cause, it's a voice. it doesn't matter.
BanjoBanjo12 2 years ago
It does matter..If you wanna sing learn how to do so with a soulful voice
keniasteen 2 years ago
yes, exactly.
BanjoBanjo12 2 years ago
WOW... you're so ignorant. I hope some day yo earn enough sense to be ashamed for saying that.
duketronix 2 years ago
I think its so funny that people can get mad over my actions
keniasteen 2 years ago
Well it's not surprising when you're propagating the kind of thinking that has led to the murder of millions of people. And hey maybe it was a joke, just trying to get attention or whatever you wanna call it. But either way it was ignorant, and its sad that you find humor in that, but you're young. Life is the greatest teacher, whether you see its lessons or not. Someday you might understand why racist comments though amusing can lead to serious problems. I'm not angry just kinda grosd out.
duketronix 2 years ago
I was not being racist at all
I believe what i believe and that is white people do not have soulful voices
I am not racist AT ALL
keniasteen 2 years ago
what you JUSt said was racist, its the same as someone saying
"all Chinese people have small genitals"
just because you believe it doesn't mean it isn't racist. you are making assumptions about a group of people based solely on the qualification of their skin color/race. So if you really believe that then you are DEFINITELY by DEFINITION a racist. Or at least that particular belief you have is a racist one.
duketronix 2 years ago
Why would anyone say"All Chinese people have the same genitals"?
That wasn't being racist you just took as if it was
keniasteen 2 years ago
People would say that because it is a stereotype, just like "all white people don't have soul in their voice". Which having never heard EVERY white person sing you can't possibly say. Which means you are grouping people together and judging them based on their ethnicity which IS racist. Its pretty ridiculous that you don't even understand what racism really is. You don't have to be "trying" to be racist, and don't have to think what you're saying is even bad.
duketronix 2 years ago
No it was not being racist..I stated my thoughts and opinion you just took it as if i were being racist
keniasteen 2 years ago 2
I give up, being ignorant of the fact that you ARE being racist doesn't mean you aren't. your opinion is based on a closed minded idea that you judge all white people on. therefore you ARE RACIST despite it being your opinion. In fact it is BECAUSE it is "just your opinion" that you are racist. You clearly can't put two thoughts together so I'll stop trying to explain. Ask a teacher or something cause you need some help on this.
duketronix 2 years ago
I am not racist AT ALL
I hang around and hang around all ethnicity groups.. White,Black and Hispanic
keniasteen 2 years ago
It doesn't matter who you hang out with or if you meant it to be mean its IS by DEFINITION racist to group and entire group of people based on their skin color and make a judgment about them, that is what you did. It is clear that you don't understand what racism fully is. once you start stereotyping groups based on color you open the door to make further judgments based on it. You are assuming that all white people are the same or their voices are, which IS RACIST.
duketronix 2 years ago
Why are you judging me than
keniasteen 2 years ago
The difference is that I'm not using race as a factor in making that my judgment. I'm just seeing your actions and based on those drawing conclusions on you as an individual It doesn't reflect my feelings towards whatever nationality/ethnic group/whatever you may be a part of. You still need to have opinions just avoid grouping people together and judging them ALL based on race alone. Or making generalization about "all white/black people". That's where it gets ugly. Understand?
duketronix 2 years ago
No its not different your judging on a comment that i posted which was my opinion
keniasteen 2 years ago
LOL... wow.... you just don't get it... I'm going to stop trying to explain here because you really are just completely ignorant. You have no idea what racism is! You think its just judging people in general? whatever, I tried. this really makes me sad though that you are so thick. Of course you don't think its racist and think its all the same, because you don't understand AT ALL... good luck with that, I'm gonna stop wasting my time, if you actually care at all go ask a teacher.
duketronix 2 years ago
Do some research, or print out our conversation and bring it to a teacher, but just saying "no it's not different" doesn't change the reality/facts of what it is which don't change just because you are too dumb to understand them. It's actually one of the scariest types of racism when the person is too dumb to even see it, you're actually the first person I've ever met that is that dumb congratulations. ESPECIALLY after having it explained LOL!
duketronix 2 years ago
I read your comments I think you are very right . Well said, i don't get how some of these videos turn into a racial thing. People need to learn how to the topic at hand.
bornonxmas 2 years ago
Not that keniasteen isn't an idiot. Prejudices are carried out by individuals; racism is the oppression/denying of rights to people usually by institutions. Unless she's singlehandedly denying a group of people rights. Your neighbor thinking you're lazy/dumb because you're part of x group is a prejudice, a housing complex refusing to rent because you're part of x group is racism.
SouthlandKing 2 years ago
Why did you copy/paste this?
keniasteen 2 years ago
I didn't copy/paste anything, for some reason it came up multiple times.
SouthlandKing 2 years ago
I've looked into that, and it just plain isn't true. Both prejudice and racism can be carried out by individuals or institutions and there is no proof or reason to state that one performs one more than the other since one is simply a form/manifestation of the other.
I'd like to know where you got that idea. Also find it interesting to bring up since it really does nothing but confuse the poor girl more.
duketronix 2 years ago
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SouthlandKing 2 years ago
Example you gave is a generalisation - not racism.
theTeabag 2 years ago
*yawn*
Don't remember what it was but based on. But with how far this went trying to explain to keniasteen I really don't care.
Racism usually involves the act of generalization so it would be a logical stepping stone in explaining it. Racism is a generalization based on Race, or it often is.
your point.... well isn't even a point.
Also....no offense but you can't even spell generalization.....
duketronix 2 years ago
Racism is not just a generalization based on race. Oversimplified, and that speaks volumes about your lack of awareness. It's the differential access to goods, services, and opportunities of society. It's a judicial system that unfairly targets minorities, it's a corporate world that doesn't pay minorities of equal qualification and skill the same as their white counterparts. It's the hundreds of years of oppression that caused gaping differences in the socioeconomic status of racial groups.
SouthlandKing 2 years ago
The whole goal of this was to simplify it so that keniasteen could stop hating people based on their race... you're missing the entire point of this thread.
And racism isn't all about whites getting more then others fyi. Your definition is totally biased based on your own qualifications of how you've seen the manifestation of the generalization that is racism acted out. You're talking about the results not the concept. Which "speaks volumes" about the level on which you operate.
duketronix 2 years ago
No, it's based on placing the definition within the context of history. Racism is the culturally sanctioned beliefs, which, regardless of intentions involved, defend the advantages the majority have because of the subordinated position of racial minorities. Prejudice refers to any unreasonable attitude that is unusually resistant to rational influence. Anyone with a decent college education should recognize that Keniasteen was displaying the latter.
SouthlandKing 2 years ago
Exaclty, you're talking about RESULTS (being the context of history) not the actual mindset. It is not inherent in the definiton of racism that one group be a minority or a majority that is more applicable to 'institutional racism' which is not the same thing as the Concept of racism as a mind set. The line your are trying to draw not only doesn't exist in any meaningful way but is useless as far as her recognition of her "prejudiced" or racist views. Just hot air blowing from the southlands
duketronix 2 years ago
The mindset of racism is rooted in power and privilege and fear of losing it and having an objective in order to preserve it. Prejudice is a a normal human response because all human beings tend to prejudge others on the basis of limited knowledge, especially if they are different from us. Thus we are all prejudiced, and virtually none are exempt. However, Racial Prejudice +Power= Racism. It's for that reason I cannot call Keniasteen a "racist" as you did.
SouthlandKing 2 years ago
Sorry but you're wrong there is 'reverse racism" which is a type of racism which has nothing to do with having power over another group in fact its the exact opposite. Though it could be viewed as a fear of losing what little power is left it is still racism and does not require power. Just because all humans tend to prejudge doesn't mean we must hurtfully act on those judgments. We can/should be conscious of our thoughts and try to avoid being ruled by our prejudices.
duketronix 2 years ago
Reverse racism, when racism heads into an unintended direction. LOL
SouthlandKing 2 years ago
Reverse discrimination (sometimes called "reverse racism") is, in its simplest form , the practice of favoring members of a historically disadvantaged group at the expense of members of a historically advantaged group.
fyi
duketronix 2 years ago
You're right it is not inherent that one group be a minority or a majority, as evident by the apartheid committed by minority whites against majority non-whites, but as I said racism in its mindset and concept is rooted in power and privilege. Racism is more than just prejudice and discrimination combined. Racism is a socially constructed reality at the heart of society¹s structures. The fact that so many people are so quick to label the most banal of human idiocy racism, is disheartening.
SouthlandKing 2 years ago
You put too much reverence into a disembodied concept of racism in which it only exists as a "socially constructed reality at the heart of societies structures". You're trying to pretend that the mindset and actions which create this don't build the structure. It's like saying someone who acts Christian isn't being Christian because the church is "a socially constructed reality etc.." it doesn't work. You're definition has points but misses the reality and daily application of the issue.
duketronix 2 years ago
I don't agree with your analogy at all because that's not what I intended. I'm saying the structure reinforces and feeds the mindset and actions. The social structure of race privilege and power is so ingrained in society it becomes invisible to the group that benefits. In others words they won't even recognize their mindset and actions as racist because the structure is treated with such normalcy it becomes invisible to them.
SouthlandKing 2 years ago
The reality is that society is dominated by a structure that privileges one group over another, that enforces such privilege through social conditioning, institutionalized inequality and oppression and through the inherent violence of capital and the state. The dominant X cultures views are everywhere people Y have to learn the norms and rules in order to get by, but X group dont have to understand or even be aware what it means to be Y to function in this society because it's structured so.
SouthlandKing 2 years ago
That is true.
but it is explaining the function of racism in a society which negates the actual day to day acts which occur based on it's existence. Such a structure also would not exist without racism existing first which means that racism itself cannot be the structure. so what you are defining is a result of racism which reinforces it but it is not in itself the definition of racism. It seems like this is a "chicken or the egg" problem now...
duketronix 2 years ago
Humans are biologically programmed to possess tribalism. In that we are more comfortable around and look to protect people that are most like ourselves. It wasn't until "race" was invented in the 17th century that this tribalism was structured, nurtured, and exploited to gain power and privilege. Prior to that people even if they were of the same "race," didn't look at each other as such because there was no concept or structure of race, the view was based on tribal or regional origin.
SouthlandKing 2 years ago
where do you get this stuff? I can find documented cases of racism in the 16th and even 15th century. What are your sources for all this stuff, because non of it fully checks out. It's all half truths twisted to suit your argument.
duketronix 2 years ago
Please comprehend, as a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT and the contemporary meaning we have today, "race" wasnt invented until the 17th century. Originating with the racialization of slavery in the 1680s, where racial terms to begin to spread into wide use, it was not until the the 17th century that European scholars attempted to organize and place people into categories on a perceived inferiority/superiority complex. Read Audrey Smedley and Robert Bernasconi to name a few.
SouthlandKing 2 years ago
For instance, ancient Mediterraneans obviously noted the physical differences of black Africans but didnt think of them apparently as different from other exotic races, like, say, white Germans or brown Indians. It was not the quasi-biological concept that was invented much later.
SouthlandKing 2 years ago
History + Racism = results of racism
you are APPLYING the concept or racism which is a FORM of prejudice to the Recorded version of history to get a result. I'd also say whatever degree you hold isn't worth he paper its printed on if you only learned to apply definitions that are obviously based on a context and miss a true understanding of the larger idea. You definition for prejudice is pretty weak if not totally wrong as well. Get your money back from your school, you've been robbed.
duketronix 2 years ago
Given your weak and nonsensical response in context and that it's littered with grammatical and spelling errors, I'm going to have to dismiss you as nothing more than just another casualty of a depleted American public school system. You can spot your kind a mile away. Also, the definition I used for prejudice is recognized by scholars and sociologist. Then again your school probably couldn't afford up-to-date books for you to know that.
SouthlandKing 2 years ago
So basically you have no response.
Just more hot air and cliches about a school system I have nothing to do with.
*yawn*
duketronix 2 years ago
I said you were a casualty of it not that you had anything to do with it. There's a difference.
SouthlandKing 2 years ago
To be a casualty of something one must have something to do with it, directly or indirectly.
Unless you're thinking my involvement would be at an administrative level? Then there would be a difference worth noting. I'm curious to know what difference you're trying to conjure up here.
Explain?....
duketronix 2 years ago
Wow! By definition a casualty is a person or thing that is rendered ineffective, lost, injured or destroyed or is the victim of an accident, injury, or trauma,etc. In the context of my sentence, I was saying you're a victim of a bad public school system. You do nothing to disprove it. I used casualty because I was somewhat sympathetic, but now I'm going to go with you just being the system's perfect product.
SouthlandKing 2 years ago
blah blah blah...
you so have nothing relevant left to say....
..
but please...
continue, by all means.
duketronix 2 years ago
LOL! You're in no position to be dismissive. The fact is you had an incorrect definition and got called on it. I'll admit that you seem to have above average levels of fluid and crystallized intelligence, but it's clear you are also the product of a public school education. That said, I would rather have nothing relevant to say over not knowing the meaning of the words I use.
SouthlandKing 2 years ago
I'd also like to know which scholars support your definitions and in what context. I'm positive you are not applying them appropriately/how they were intended.
duketronix 2 years ago
The fact that someone finds children pretty doesn't mean he's a peadophile :)
Similarly making generalizations isn't racism itself.
Besides "racism is a dislike for ppl of other races and justifying social hierarchy based on disrimination".
while according to You, racism is any statement that race determines anything.
Well you're wrong. Race determines for instance that Mongolian women tend to have higher pitched voices than Black women.
theTeabag 2 years ago
Yes but Keniasteen didn't say that, she said
White people have no soul (in their voice I assume she meant). Given that 'Soul' is viewed as a positive trait in singing she is creating a hierarchy and saying that based on skin color one group is better. Especially given the popularity of the program in question it is certainly a socially charged hierarchy. you are wrong I'm afraid. I'm saying that assuming race ALWAYS not "tend"s to determine things is bad. Swing and a miss my friend.
duketronix 2 years ago
Yes he was generalising which is lazy thing to do. He should have said "whites tend to have no soul":)
Race does determine us in many ways. For example African people have different morphology of their muscles which is one of the factors that predisposes them biologically to athletics. Inuit ppl have flat faces which predisposes them to living in cold conditions. There are many more examples.
Now, racist is someone who uses these differences as an excuse for discrimination.
theTeabag 2 years ago
Now that I can agree with!
:)
duketronix 2 years ago
What was that whole conversation about?!
xxLovelyGarnetxx 2 years ago
Originally Keniasteen stated that
"white people have no soul" and I assume she meant in their voice when they sing. I said that I hoped someday she understood how ignorant that was. Then these other two started arguing about the definition of racism and trying to disembody into a theoretical concept in which no one is racist only prejudiced and that racism is only a societal structure. Which I think was useless in helping this poor girl wise up.... Interesting though....
duketronix 2 years ago
Thank you! And interesting indeed.
xxLovelyGarnetxx 2 years ago
Oddly enough no one ever defined soul, it's musical definition is "music that arose out of the black experience in America through the transmutation of gospel and rhythm & blues into a form of funky, secular testifying." *Devil's Advocate* if it's definition states that it comes from the black experience, isn't she technically right. You could counter-argue with the broader definition of "soul" but that isn't the context in which she used it.
SouthlandKing 2 years ago 2
it's=its
SouthlandKing 2 years ago 3
I never said no one is racist only prejudiced, but that I thought Keniasteen was prejudice but not racist. Her thinking white people do not have soul in their voices is about as racist as someone who doesn't find redheads attractive, she hears what she hears just like people are attracted to what they're attracted to. If she starts a record label and refuses to sign a talented white person based on that prejudice, that imo makes her racist.
SouthlandKing 2 years ago 3
BTW you've just made a generalization yourself by assuming that my spelling problems (i'm not native english speaker) prove that I don't have a point. This was hateful and ignorant :)
theTeabag 2 years ago
lolz
sorry but no I didn't, nice try though.
all I said was that you couldn't or at least didn't spell it right.
I never specified that it had any real bearing on your point. I suppose you could see it as insinuating that, sorry if I offended you.
:)
lol
duketronix 2 years ago
To get technical about it it's called "Antilocution" the first step in racism. You made off hand remarks about a group based on color, grouping them together ethnically and assuming that they are all the same because of their ethnicity. This is robing them of their individual strengths and weaknesses thinking of them based entirely on what you perceive to be their racial defined limitations. In this case their voice, but it illustrates that you see people in a racist way.
duketronix 2 years ago
that is to say that you don't see white people's singing ability as something that each individual may or may not have "soul" in but you unbiassedly assume based on race that they will all be the same. This type of racial grouping shows a lack of perspective for the people inside that ethnic group as individuals, which is dehumanizing AND whether you like it or not racist. sorry but you need to re-examine yourself.
duketronix 2 years ago
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duketronix 2 years ago
Being racist is to be discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion and a racist is a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others. You are doing BOTH of those. Its like I said at first you are just so ignorant of what it even really is that you don't realize you're doing it. And sure it SEEMS harmless but that type of thought leads to and keeps alive a VERY dark train of thought. At this point I'm really just trying to help you understand.
duketronix 2 years ago
I was not discriminating anything or anyone thats just my opinion
keniasteen 2 years ago
LOLz you are SOooo thick... step outside yourself and look at your words and opinions in an objective light. You seem to think that you are incapable of racism? Why?
People's opinion used to be that black people were meant to be slaves.. so I guess they weren't racist either.
duketronix 2 years ago
No it is not racism its their opinion....
keniasteen 2 years ago