Re: White House Caught Doctoring "Mission Accomplished" Vide

[egyptianstrider2000]

Fuck you motherfucker , they are attacking your terrorist army and force them to leave

[1000alkin]

W was a war president, as he lived his live prior. Like when he flew that mission in his 105 covering Marines surrounded in Mi Lau, providing critical ground support fire; or was that he did too much coke and couldn't take the physical for the Alabama Air Guard. Anyway, like how his VP, Dick was on his fifth tour of Nam, and how he slugged it out with Charlie, getting his 3rd silver star; or was that he got five deferments because he is a pussy. Anyway, Mission Accomplished and Bring it On.

[hilikus540]

War and fighting is for animals. yay animals!!

[Minkki82]

What a great policy, "bring them on" was. That solved the problems in Iraq

[socalsir]

It won't be MISSION ACCOMPLISHED until Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld are tried for treason and war crimes.

[watintaworld]

how much value can our money, the dollar, have if it's being run and lead by this bonehead. Mission Accomplished? nice work Bam-Bam now go back to sucking your bottle and your nappy time!

[lalahland]

i find it amazing that they can't find the INDESTRUCTABLE black boxes from EITHER plane, yet they found the passport of one of the terrorists. i mean, can you talk about a plant or what?! jet fuel would have incinerated EVERYTHING on board.

[warlok2004]

well there you go : "Mission Accomplished" -- so what if they are blowing each other up over there still? We removed Saddam and now he's dead and they've elected a government. Sounds like a perfect reason for us to remove 90% of the troops there. Leave a beefed up contingent there to do military escorts for diplomats. If anyone else is needed, send Blackwater...after all, who cares if terrorists and mercs kill each other?

[chadloflin20]

And that was four years ago. And we're still there. And Bin Laden still out there.

[Noblebrown]

Thanks for the video. The other guy claiming that the banner was "cropped" out of the photo is an idiot. The angles of the video and the photo he showed aren't even close to the same. There was no "doctoring" or "cropping" (The bar is just covering, not cropping), just a poorly-formatted video.

[temsi]

Uhm... this video is stretched vertically.

It's almost as if you took the cropped White House video and stretched it to make it fit the frame... dare I say it?

Yes, I dare. This is bogus.

[sloothsnoop]

no, it was lifted from a micheal moore film, there was a song playing, thats why there isnt any audio there either.

either way, im proud of america for defeating the republicans in 2006, and laying to death the era of the neo-con. who are naow marginalised and powerless, at the end of his term, america is gonna be a heckuva better place!

congrats america!

[temsi]

If only that were so.

It's going to take years, if not decades, to undo the damage this disastrous administration has done to the country and its place in the world.

[Decimator01]

O NOOOO. We protected ourselves and freed a nation from a horrible, near communist regime.  OOoo the horror.

[temsi]

How did we protect ourselves by attacking a country that posed no threat to us?

Also, you're so wrong it's tragic.

Saddam was a dictator, yes. Communist? No.

LOL. You're incredibly uninformed.

[temsi]

You still haven't answered my question.

Where did you get that 99% value?

Unless you can provide a reputable source, I'm going to have to assume you just pulled it out of your ass, which given the quality of your other arguments, seems most likely.

[Decimator01]

LOL, it is sad that people in this day in age with all this technologies can still be so miss-informed. When you finally decide to do some research and not believe everything you read out of the democratic propaganda let me know. Otherwise the is Intelligent conservative over and out.

[temsi]

Wow, you're really bending over backwards to avoid answering a simple question.

Where did you get your statistics? That shouldn't be hard to answer.

Don't respond with a personal attack, this isn't about me. I'm simply trying to get you to back up your claims.

Anyone can see you're running away from the subject.

Answer the question. I dare you.

There are intelligent conservatives, just not in the current administration, and not on this thread.

[temsi]

Yeah, just what I thought.

I called you on your bullshit, and since you can't back it up you're just running away from it.

Typical knuckle-dragger.

[Decimator01]

I am sorry you are so stupid you can not read. I have only answered your qtn like 3 times. I will only say it one more time. TURN ON THE NEWS IDIOT. Do a google search on terrorist of September 11. I am not going to indulge you and then just let you say I made the website or something. LOOK FOR YOURSELF and you will see it everywhere.

[temsi]

OK, you're obviously not understanding my question.

I'm not asking where I can find similar information.

I'M ASKING WHERE YOU GOT THAT SPECIFIC NUMBER.

"look for yourself" is not an answer.

Sure you can do better than that.

And again, September 11 had nothing to do with Iraq, no matter how many times you repeat it.

It's because of ignorant people like you that I can understand why the rest of the world sees us as a collection of idiots.

[temsi]

Since you're incapable of demonstrating an exact quote or a statistic from a government agency or even an independent agency backing up your claim of 99% of all terrorism coming from Iraq, I hereby declare your baseless claim null and void.

[Decimator01]

O know. An ignoramus is saying it is null and void. Obviously it is not an exact estimate you idiot but here is one. 100% of the terrorist that caused 9/11 were Al-Quida based and they are based out of Iraq. Idiot

If you can not come up with a valid argument then I have nothing more to say to you.

[temsi]

BZZT. Wrong.

None of the 9/11 terrorists came from Iraq.

None of them had been to Iraq.

None of them had ties to Iraq.

Al-Qaeda had no presence in Iraq prior to our invasion in 2003.

Get your facts straight before calling others idiots and ignorant. You're making a fool of yourself.

But at least you're admitting that you pulled the 99% number out of your ass, that's good.

[Decimator01]

Man. I did not fully comprehend how uneducated you were until now. If I had understood that you knew absolutly NOTHING I would not have wasted my time with arguing with you. I plan to fix that from here.

I am just afraid of what may happen it someone like you were to be in position of control.

[temsi]

That whole post of yours is an ad hominem. Not a single word about the actual subject - it's all about attacking me - which means you're cornered.

I'm not here to defend myself against silly straw-man arguments, but I do have 3 advanced degrees. How many do you have, sparky?

Face it. I've completely demolished your weak argument and you respond with a personal attack.

You can't back up your own argument.

Either stay on topic or go troll someplace else.

[temsi]

By the way, the facts regarding the post I made where I corrected your silly claims about Iraq, Al-Qaeda and 9/11, all came from the bi-partisan Senate Intelligence Committee report, released in 2005.

So in reality, when you're calling me uneducated, you're really attacking United States Senators, and the US Intelligence community as a whole.

[Babyloff]

-"100% of the terrorist that caused 9/11 were Al-Quida based and they are based out of Iraq."-

...huh?

..Oh, yeah..FOX NEWS.. I missed that report. Did they mention that before or after their coverage of the "War on Christmas?". I forget; I get all their important stuff mixed up 'cause they keep hitting me with so much info.

[jochiw]

Greetings from Germany!

OBAMA chooses! Else do you have in a new year eimen vietnam, you can your so-called democracy, your hamburger, and your cola not export your kids (your soldiers) are dying (and for what?) If it the bush and rumsfeld not the craft sets !!!!!

[temsi]

You still haven't specified a source for your claim of 99%.

Please back up your claims with facts, or else they'll be considered bullshit.

[sloothsnoop]

maybve im more optomistic than you, i think by getting rid of bush, were gonna be in good shape once a dem gets in office.

or rather, a heckuva lot better.

i think a good year or so and we will have save our reputation worldwide, most other countries knopw it isnt the american people doing these horrible things, its bush and the neo-cons.

[temsi]

I didn't say we wouldn't be better off, we will, a hell of a lot better.

I'm just saying that it's going to take a while to undo the damage done, and I'm not just talking about diplomatic damage.

Entire generations of America hating Jihadists have been created. They're not going to go "Oh ok, never mind" just because Bush is out of office. .

[Decimator01]

OOO YAY, a time where people are allowed to kill it citizens and only get a slap on the wrist. A time when it is legal to kill your own baby's. That sounds like a wonderland. I CAN'T wait. (puking)

[temsi]

Sounds like you're one of the 26% who still support the madman in the White House.

That puts you in a 3 to 1 minority. Better get used to it.

The age of ignorance, fear and hatred is coming to an end.

The age of reason and intelligence shall prevail.

[Decimator01]

LOLOLOL I don't think I have ever heard of a democrat being referred to as intelligent. Funny, then only fear I see is that gas prces might go higher. I see people feeling safe because someone is fighting the war they don't want to fight.

[temsi]

Again with the name calling. 

Do you have an answer to my questions or not?

If not, I must assume you don't know what you're talking about and are just regurgitating Limbaugh or Hannity.

[Decimator01]

If you are comparing me to Limbaugh or Hannity then I must be doing better than I thought. I already said that they were not all from Iraq.  I don't even know if any of them were but as I already said. They were trained and supplied by people like Ben Lauden(excuse the spelling) and his personal friends. (That I got off the history channel by the way)

[temsi]

No, I said you were regurgitating their crap.

NONE of the 19 hijackers were from Iraq, and not a single one of them received training in Iraq.

And speaking of BIN LADEN, why is he still at large?

And why are we looking for him in Iraq when we know he's never been there?

[Babyloff]

I find it odd that the US president, Mr. Bush, openly admitted he has no interest in OBL whatsoever. This admission came after years of supposedly trying to do everything possible to catch the man responsible for masterminding the biggest crime ever committed on US soil.

I believe Mr. Bush was never "looking" for him to begin with, but he did serve as a great propaganda tool, especially right after 9/11.

[temsi]

Yeah, it's really tragic.

It started off well enough, with the fully justified invasion of Afghanistan. But then the PNAC agenda went into effect, and everything they did just went to shit.

They successfully used fear and misinformation to go into Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11. That would be like after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, we had in turn attacked Spain. It's ridiculous.

[outofmysky]

Not that i'd put it past them for doctoring it, but its not that hard to deteermine that the "Mission Accomplished" banner is pretty high up, the 2nd level, and look how much room is between the 77 and the 1st level.

Besides does it matter? We all know the mission will never be accomplished

[XTCinOvaltine]

If this is the "real" video, then where the hell is the podium? It looks like you cropped this one.

[Babyloff]

And we have remained free by following the counsel of Washington, Jefferson, and Adams and staying out of foreign quarrels and foreign wars.

And the "war on terror" has nothing to do with preserving America's Freedoms. Only government has the power to take our freedoms away, and only if we let them.

[xocnitram]

you speak in absolutes as if you state facts. they are opinions and interpretations of facts. i live in many periods of history including the present. i tried to simplify earlier. lunatics with an agenda yet you cannot leave it alone like continually picking at a scab. you judge me as if you think you know what i am all about. history has judged certain people as evil. evil enough to be a threat to those of us who chose to live in peace. again keep it simple and stop arguing the point

[Babyloff]

Fair enough.

over and out.

[Babyloff]

A conservative knows not whether to laugh or weep, for Mr. Bush has asserted a right to interfere in the internal affairs of every nation on earth. Why? Because the "survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands." But this is utterly ahistorical. The world has always been afflicted with despots. Yet America has always been free.

[Decimator01]

We are free because we defend our selves from people who would enslave or in this case kill us. I don't know how to take your statement but for all those other comments let me jog your memory. September 11, 20001 They want to kill us, PERIOD. That is why we fight.

[lobsterxcore]

20,001? lol

[Decimator01]

I am SOOOO sorry for the typo. (Rolling eyes)

[Babyloff]

I would like to address your comment. Which statement do you not know how to take?

[Decimator01]

I was unsure what or how you meant this. (maby I am just slow LOL)

"But this is utterly ahistorical. The world has always been afflicted with despots. Yet America has always been free."

[temsi]

OK, can you explain to those of us who aren't as enlightened as you think you are - exactly how many of the 9/11 hijackers were from Iraq?

[Decimator01]

Hey idiot, the war is called the war on TERRORISM. Not the war on Iraq. It is not our fault that 99% of terrorists come from Iraq and the terrorist organizations that are BASED there and out of Iraq.

[temsi]

Where do you get that percentage from? Reputable source please.

You're wrong in your assertion that it's not our fault. Iraq was NOT a hotbed of terrorism before we invaded. Now it is.

Again, how many of the 9/11 hijackers were from Iraq?

Also, it's interesting to see how you immediately start calling people names when your views are questioned.

Plus, you cannot wage war against a tactic. Terrorism is a tactic.

[Decimator01]

I am sorry if I don't feel that Disney channel is a reputable source. I personaly have a family member fresh out of service (that's US military for those that can't understand English) in Iraq. From his mouth "The Iraqi people appreciate that we are there because when we enter a town they finaly feel like they can walk the streets without being blown up or shot. We are not the only ones that suffer at the hand of these terrorists so being so selfish.

[temsi]

Disney? What are you talking about?

I asked you to back up your claim of 99% by pointing to a reputable source. The source where YOU got the 99% value. 

Can you do that or not?

[Decimator01]

TURN ON THE TV AND YOU WILL SEE IT. These people who attack our troops on a weekly basis are al-Qaeda or other similar groups. Do a google search and you will see the words al-Qaeda over and over again. I am not sure why I must restate common information.

[temsi]

They´re there NOW, thanks to us. Because we broke down the infrastructure of the country, allowing people like that to roam free.

There was no Al-Qaeda presence in Iraq prior to our invasion. None. Ask any intelligence official.

[Decimator01]

OOO and check again. Iraq has been a "Hotbed of terrorism" for long since most of us were born. (BTW domestic terrorism is still terrorism)

[temsi]

BZZZT. Wrong.

It was a dictatorship, not a hotbed of terrorism.

The only terrorism there was domestic. The main external battle there was with Iran and to a lesser extent with Kuwait, but not a single act of terrorism on foreign soil.

You seriously need to pick up a history book.

[xocnitram]

good job traitor did you ever make propaganda films for the nazi loving jew haters during world war 2?

[xocnitram]

hello you asshole liberals-you thinks security from maniac terrorists is free. think your are entitled to your soft easy life. of course you do cause you are who you are. lazy stupid and pussified. freedom is earned bitches. you are a generation of pampered dimwitted smart asses. stay in your mommies basement and play your retarded video games. you left wing losers should have been swallowed.

[RainbowsNSmile]

i think i love you, xocnitram. or marti n. cox. keep on being angry.

[luigiman425]

I will be happy. I am a very happy person. To bad youre so angry all the time.

[db88]

Easy, feller! :-)... calm down. America was already "free". This misadventure in Iraq has got absolutely nothing to do with our "freedom"; you're a confused patriot, trapped in your own imaginary history and reality. Perhaps you're thinking of a different war? Prove that America is "more free" or that we will be more free because of this Iraq debacle, and I'll give you five thousand dollars. Do you have a paypal account?

[xocnitram]

ignoranus

[Babyloff]

My anus is smarter than you ;-)

[xocnitram]

ha ha. it is probably bigger as well.

[Babyloff]

Oh, my anus is definitely bigger. That's why its smarter. Think big brain/small brain.

I think with my ass and my gut, and I never ask questions. I learned those techniques from Mr. Bush himself, so I clearly hold the upper hand here.

[xocnitram]

yawn

[db88]

Do you have a Paypal account? Do you want to earn some quick cash or not?  You were about to explain how invading/occupying Iraq has something to do with preserving America's Freedoms.

Get typin', Marti!

[xocnitram]

you cannot understand todays generation is the beginning of the end of progressive evolution. that is all.

[Babyloff]

"you cannot understand todays generation is the beginning of the end of progressive evolution. that is all."

That is true, in many ways. There is also another, older generation, who fails to deal with reality. In many ways.

[xocnitram]

the older generation dealt with nazi invasion and japans imperialism. that was a reality similar to the have nots who want what you have. those who "fail" are those armchair critics who did not live that reality. freedom is earned not given. those who cannot grasp these simple truths will be among the first to perish in times of war.

[Babyloff]

Again, you are living in a different period in history. Everything you just said is true, but irrelevant when applied to the "war on terror".

The US is already "free", and would still be "free" had we not invaded Iraq. Islamofascist terrorists do *not* want to overthrow our country. Subjugating the US to their "rule" is not on their list of goals. They are not world conquerers, nor do they wish to be. You are equating terrorists with Japanese Imperialism and Nazi Germany?

[eandatoo]

There are only a small number of people left who still believe that the troops are fighting for American freedom. Freedom from what, explosions? Is that why we're having our freedoms taken away in the name of security? Do you actually still think that the U.S. is fighting to preserve our freedom? The only people who have to hang on to that belief are those poor soldiers and their families.

[xocnitram]

idiot

[Babyloff]

*CHALLENGE* for xocnitram:

Post a comment that makes sense, without name calling.

Explain your position and why you think the Iraq situation has something to do with keeping America 'free'.

Again, perhaps you are thinking of a different war/conflict?

[xocnitram]

lunatics with an agenda. simple enough for the simpleminded

[Babyloff]

"lunatics with an agenda. simple enough for the simpleminded"

Well, I suppose if you are simpleminded, then that would indeed be simple enough. The fact that you managed to sum up your understanding of the issue using only 9 words speaks volumes about what "mindedness" you are... well, not volumes. More like one of those Little Golden Books. Remember those?

[xocnitram]

i suppose the little golden books were government conspiracy also. perhaps we should have let the nazi movement continue like the maniacs in the middle east. sure our country is not perfect. yet people are not executed here for spewing treason

[Babyloff]

So true, eandatoo, and very sad.

Pisses me off, too, that we still have scared little sheeple like xocnitram running around. There are still some people who think 911 happened because "they hate our freedoms".

When you confront these people with truth, they can't deal with it and lash out a lot, as we all see here..

[eandatoo]

Babyloff,

I agree. These poor folks have been nurtured by the "ideal" all their lives and thay don't want to give that up. The sad thing is that the "ideal" has been an illusion the whole time. They need someone to tell them that it's going to be ok and that they're being watched over. They're being watched alright.

[xocnitram]

stupid

[xocnitram]

the only thing that scare me you a-hole is that people like you can reproduce

[xocnitram]

right on brother. welcome to the white supremist world of thinking. make yourself at home here. all the nazi loving hate jew haters are with you buddy

[sufrelo]

since when exactly did Iraq attack America?

[noreast77]

'tarded

[Josey2006]

Interesting how in your supposed debunking, Bush's aspect

ratio is distorted. This is the affect one gets when taking a cropped video, one which will not fit into a screen, then changing bit's aspect ratio to fit into a screen. Bush's head is tall and thin.

Good try dittohead!

[zazounet]

"Let me finish" LOOOOL how is I talking too ? the man's gone mad and mission really far from being accomplished, you are loosing >< well done

[ghostzapper2006]

LOL, they flew the fake, Vietnam war eveading toy soldier onto a carrier to make him look like a real fighter, what a pathetic joke of an excuse of a man, a leader, and a human. Scumbag along with all his criminal head in the sand Neocon supporting ilk.

[webidiotbox]

those were the good old days. good times.

[anthonydacosta]

regardless, what does it matter? combat in iraq has NOT ended, and people are STILL dying! it's bullshit either way. the point isnt that they hid or didnt hide the mission accomplished banner, its that they were stupid and ridiculous enough to say that we had ACCOMPLISHED something and WON THE WAR! and if you havent seen the recent count, nearly 3,000 of our troops are dead and many more innocent iraqi people. most due to hostile action. that doesnt sound like an end of combant to me.

[loper11p34]

This jagoff has not accomplished one single mission in 6 years

He is a total failure in every sense

[BIc667]

I think it's just all a bit of fauxtograpy envy.

Conservative bloggers have uncovered dozens of occurrences of staged or doctored news photos/stories/videos resulting in real investigations and firings so the anti-Bush crowd just wants to get their own share of the spotlight.

Problem is they're so quick to distrust everything conservative they jump on anything and never bother to so even the slightest fact checking, much like many of their MSM counterparts.

[SeanPBizner]

"And if all others accepted the lie which the party imposed-if all records told the same tale-then the lie passed into history and became the truth." - 1984, George Orwell

[bavalova]

This guy is a dueche. Mike McIntee that is.

[outworld1]

Watch "Mike McIntee Is Lying"

Besides, the "Mission Accomplished" banner was suggested by the Navy because that specific Carrier was done its tour in Iraq... not because of Bush's speech... however they changed his speech to include the major combat operations concluded comment... which was true, the Iraqi army was defeated... the whole "no he meant that there would be no more fighting" makes you look stupid since his speechs always pointed out a long struggle in Iraq.

[moski3]

WOW!! W Looks good in that flight outfit!! Dems can't pull anything like this off without looking completly foolish. That is why they are so upset when they see this. Good work on the posting! Nice to see it again!