Part 2 Rosa Clemente Green Party VP Candidate Denver DNC

[yviva]

mandatory watching

[adembasou]

i sure do like her as well....she is one year younger then i...its so cool to see sistahs who have brain and who are worthy like NY Oil said.....she speaks TRUTH and TRUTH i love....

[FranG1214]

I like her :-)

[pozguy1970]

i like her too!

[RunCynthiaRun]

Superb!

[GreenProgress]

Thank you for you support. I always notice your comments and appreciate them very much.

[refimanloans]

I know Americans are 80%er's or 80% of the population absolutely stupid but this is bizarre..she can't even speak for christ's sake!

[sandbreak2]

I think i get haansgruber picture, although i`ll say, a country need a government anyway, so why not try a party that`s more likely not in the pocket of profitmakers but driven by unselfish intentions?

[haansgruber]

If u participate in a lie for good reason, is it still a lie u participated in?

Answer; Yes!

A lie, is a lie, is a lie, is a lie.

The reason they teach this tactic children when they are young; is to prepare them for what is to come later in life. Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Tooth Fairy, etc. and so on.

A lie is okay if it's a harmless lie boys and girls.

Yet, this lie causes war and death on a massive scale. More people have died at the hands of government than any other in history.

[haansgruber]

It's amazing how someone can say yeah it's a lie. Then always comes the "but". But, I have to do this, and then they rationalize all of the reasons why they have to do the dirty.

There is no softer pillow at night, than that of a clear conscience!

I have withdrawn my support, my funding and everything else I can think of, not to participate in war, lies and those who are responsible for them.

If u want 2 vote, and Hitler comes to power, you brought that upon urself and u have to live with it.

[haansgruber]

I on the other hand have done everything I possibly can to distance myself from these activities, to the greatest degree possible anyway. I certainly will not 'hope' that my participation in the big lie 'might' help.

If everyone refused to participate they'd have to go do the killing themselves. And you can bet they'll never get their own hands dirty. They leave that task to the poor.

peace :)

[Snuilp]

Namasté!

[chumbels]

did she just say crackers?

[red05hemi]

Yes she did! (say crakers) This is the best the green party has got? Is she running for VP of the Bronx? The USA goes a bit beyond the "hip hop community" Love the green Party, but come on!!! Cynthia...please pick someone else that better represents AMERICA!

[haansgruber]

Voting provides the illusion of getting what you want, while consistently delivering precisely the opposite.

Government is the disease masquerading as the cure.

peace :)

[GreenProgress]

And your solution?

Why not try a Green government?

What if the government was truly in the hands of the people, the people were sustainable economically, environmentally. What if we had a government ( the people ) that was concerned about social justice, concerned about future generations?

Replacing the present state via revolution will most likely mean tens of millions of people dying. Something very radical needs to happen to save us, our future generations, and this planet.

[haansgruber]

"What if"

If, if's and buts were candy and nuts, every day would be Christmas.

The table is tilted, the system is rigged. You're not going to beat people at a game where they make the rules, change them at will, and protect those who defend the deception.

If you wish to sleep with satan in the hopes you "might" change his mind about being evil, don't try to convince others it the right thing to do.

Criminal activities ought not be improved they should be banned.

peace :)

[haansgruber]

I am sure you believe your good intentions outweigh their bad intentions. I am sure quite a number of people started out with good intentions in their heart and mind.

However, the road to tyranny is paved with good intentions. I don;t want you to be my master any more than I wanted my previous unchosen masters. Get the picture?

peace :)

[GreenProgress]

Actually, I do not get your picture. What the Green Party lays out is decentralization ( which is the process of dispersing decision-making governance closer to the people or citizen ) and grassroots democracy ( designing political processes where as much decision-making authority as practical is shifted to the organization's lowest geographic level of organization ). How would I be your master in this system? Your obviously talking about a true anarchistic way of life?

[haansgruber]

I don't expect you would "get the picture"

Which is why you immediately went right back into your sales pitch

The entire system is criminal, & criminal behavior is not something that can b improved by employing 'better criminals'. Anyone who claims 2 have just power over me is a liar. Since "government derives it's just power from the consent of the governed," and I withdraw my consent. What does that mean? Government is not just. It never has been. It is a hoax. It can't be improved, Scrap it.

[haansgruber]

Government pretendes to be the good guys. Somehow people continue to believe liars and their lies. The sooner everyone abandons the idea government is anything except criminals. The better off we'll all be. The education system makes this realization extremely difficult. Government is, and has always been nothing more than a criminal band, with a continuing dishonest, criminal agenda. You would not try to improve the mafia so, why improve government? They are one in the same.

[haansgruber]

In fact; I have more respect for the criminal, at least he is honest about who he is, and what he does. When a criminal demands "my wallet or my life," he does not try to profess he is doing it for my own good. Government is a sham. it always has been. It always will be.

peace :)

[GreenProgress]

And you seem to lump all politicians as criminals and deceitful; for the most part this is correct, but I don not believe in absolutes. Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader are truth seekers, fair, conscientious, for power to the people, and against corporate interests and empire. Also, to plug the Green Party once again, Greens take no, I repeat NO, corporate money.

[haansgruber]

The road 2 tyranny is paved with good intentions.

They may b better than the average politician, they r nonetheless still politicians.

Politician: A person who uses lies, half truths and deception in order 2 lend credence 2 their agenda.

The large majority of them r lawyers.

Lawyer: a person who lies 2 defend their client, and their interests.

If u choose 2 associate yourself with this type of gang. Please do so. But, don't tell me I am wrong for not joining the local mafia.

peace :)

[GreenProgress]

I agree with much of what you say. Name a country or area where your ideas are in effect. How would you implement your ideas; just stop government from being? How do you do that?

I keep asking for solutions, but you do not seem to have them. I will go back to what you call my sales pitch and I call a platform. The Green Party has solutions for most of the major problems in the world. They may not be perfect, but they are very good solutions.

[haansgruber]

Terra Libra

[haansgruber]

Anyone who thinks Terra Libra is the easy way out. Better guess again. It's more work than going along with the present corrupt system. One thing is sure; If you choose Terra Libra and freedom. It will be more difficult than anything you have ever done before. No one ever said freedom would be easy. But, it's the right thing to do.

If you're not too lazy. Most people who ask what's your plan. Are too lazy. It requires thought and reading. Lots of reading.

peace :)

[haansgruber]

More than that it requires conviction. Nobody is going to give it to you.

Either way; voting and participation in lies will never be the answer to freedom. If you think it is; You had no idea what the question was.

peace :)

[GreenProgress]

I'm going to make a deal with you; give me link to your information on Terra Libra and I'll read it but in turn you read the Green Party platform. I am more than willing to listen to other ideas. What I am mostly seeing from your comments is a lot of rhetoric and not a lot of substance. It also seems that if it is not your way it is the highway, which is just as rigid as the systems you say your against. Good luck with your struggle.

[haansgruber]

It seems, it's my way or the highway? [quote] It also seems that if it is not your way it is the highway, which is just as rigid as the systems you say your against. [end quote] -- This is the system you want my support for you to join the accepted gang. The system that attempts to beat every free person out of freedom they claim to protect by crippling them with an archaic belief system of tyranny and convincing them it represents liberty and freedom.

[haansgruber]

I am not asking u to accept freedom [my way]. This is not a me and u, and differing opinions here. The system you advocate is flawed, morally, rationally and logically [and you request outside participation].

I am not asking u to support me, or my views, or even freedom. I am telling u ....... I am free. I choose not 2 have people I do not even know, purport to make choices for me without my consent. If you want someone to decide for you, with, or without your consent. Continue on your path.

[haansgruber]

A man, thus subjected to a government that he does not want, is a slave. And there is no difference, in principle --- but only in degree --- between political and chattel slavery.

Freedom is a concept that is obviously so foreign to you that you can't grasp the simplicity.

Government is a leviathan, usurping power over the property, lives, liberties and freedoms of the people. A giant to be slain. Diagnosis: Anything short of the complete removal of the disease is ill advised.

[haansgruber]

You and everyone who is not me, is free to choose for themselves. What course of action, if any is warranted.

I choose freedom.

Free your mind and your body will surely follow!

peace :)

[haansgruber]

I choose freedom! I will always choose freedom!

Not government, not slavery.

peace :)

[GreenProgress]

It is not a sales pitch, but rather a platform: easily enough to look up - gp ( dot ) org - Green Party Platform on the left.

You do not speak in details; what exactly are you referring to as criminal? The U.S. Constitution? How corporations and corporations have hijacked our power and used it for their own greedy interests? I would definitely agree with that.

If the people give consent to be governed, or have a representative democracy, or have a democracy, are you opposed to that?

[haansgruber]

Criminal; is a person who deceives another person for personal gain, favor, or 2 redistribute wealth. [ie; any person who uses deception 2 further their goals, or agenda].

This includes but is not limited 2, any person who tries to manufacture artificial consent through the illusion of the "so called" election system. If I did not specifically authorize you to speak on my behalf, you may not do so; both legally and morally.

Yet politicians purport to do this every day. Acting as if, they do

[haansgruber]

have "the peoples" consent. When it is clear they do not. less than half the people even vote. Which means rather than participate in a lie they decline. Rather than choose the lesser of two evils they decline. Rather than provide the illusion they have given their consent, they decline.

Criminals will try always band together to try find some way to place themselves over the lesser educated peoples. I suspect it has always been this way.

[haansgruber]

Like stealing land from indians and calling it conquered as a comfortable euphemism. Slavery, etc. and the list goes on and on. people may fall for these hoodwinks but, it hardly makes them and honest practice or any more legitimate.

Participation in such an activity only lends the appearance of legitimacy to one that is clearly criminal in both design and origin. It is designed to give one group power over another group through a clever deception. Period.

peace :)

[RunCynthiaRun]

If running for office was not a threat to the system they would not make it so difficult for us to get on the ballot and then take steps to throw us off when we try.

They will always through up obstacles to those who change the system. We will not let that deter us. Never give up. Never give in.

[haansgruber]

Sorry, I don't really know u. But, I don't want u to claim you're my ruler [rule maker] any more than I want them to. Both are a lie. A lie I never authorized. I believe it's referred to as "manufacturing consent." Government is a lie, people in government therefore are liars. Not some of them. All of them. It is a deception from the bottom up and from the top down.

U cannot improve a band of criminals. The system cannot be changed to any satisfactory degree. 3rd, 33rd or otherwise.

peace :)