@Jozhx14 That is a really ignorant statement. Perlman, of course the greatest violinist alive in many respects, litters his bach with deep, melodramatic vibrato on EVERY SINGLE NOTE! Hardly baroque and certainly not something he should "teach" Vengerov about Bach!
Its a wonder he can play that well in tune with his fingers sweating as much as they are. I can clearly see the sweat stains on his fingerboard from his fingers. Sweaty fingers make violin that much harder, so I have to give him even more props for that. Amazing performance, so tender, gentle and caring.
To put it bluntly, I'm sick to death of comments that attempt to rate one artist over another. I bet that most of the the people that that make these ratings have never and will never approach the level of artistry that they attempt to rate. Preferring one interpretation over another is one thing, but the obsession with "ranking" is ridiculous. Having a critical ear is great. Don't like what you hear-move on. A lot of these ratings/rankings are just preciousness.I bet Hilary is bigger than Bell.
@drewt3 I wholeheartedly agree. They're ALL top-level violinists. To all these supposed "critics," unless you're a top-level violinist yourself, just listen to the SOUND coming out of that violin, and enjoy it!
Puzzled at the top voted comment. No way is Bell a better virtuoso than Vengerov. He isn't even on the same planet as Vengerov technically and whats this" visually bo*****s? Bells hideous histrionics on stage look contrived whereas Vengerovs facial expressions and movements come from someone who is so clearly feeling the music. This playing is masterly, the way he just strokes the violin using bow speed and making it sing, Vengerov is quite simply King!!
Here is my thoughts on this video, as magnificent as ever sheer brilliance by a true virtuoso who possesses unparalleled technique and skill. Mr. Vengerov is equal to Mr. Perelman and Mr. Bell.
when you see the other violin players and musicians around vengerov.. they have about 65 years for each leg and they have played with many amazing players in that orchestra.. but then they look at him like they haven't never heard this piece.. this is vengerov
thank you. to trinitrotoluol-it seems to me that it was played on metal strings. i don´t know, if it could be possible to comment this playing, so good it is. serenissimo
not allot of musicians realize how to interpret masters like bach, vengerov does, listen to double stops with allmost no vibrato, listen to the final bars, although vengerov could do perhaps everthing, he does the pure nescesarry in important phrases, he has a great heart for the sense of music, my compliments
I think it's a shame he cant play anymore. He is much like Nadal in a way...he has great talent but he forced himself so much (phisically) that his body couldnt take it anymore.
I personally like ppl who can make wonderful music with more echonomy of movement. After all, music is not interpretive dancing or any form of visual art.
he's just on hiatus so he can teach and not focus so much on promoting his own violin career. idk anything about a surgery but im sure he'll be recording again soon........the sooner the better really
I think Hilary Hahn has better inturpriations of Bach then Bell or this guy...but that's just my opinion. I like Hilary Hahn's sound better and the way she makes every note distinct. She is one of the best out there...also Perlman...I don't like him as much as I like her...again ppl this is all my opinion and if you don't agree that's your opinion
people like you just don't understand the nature of music... who cares how he looks on stage, people used to call heifetz cold on stage too. "Close your eyes and listen" is what Gitles said...
Mr, please please do not take the trouble to respond to maxhansenk, is a poor idiot who tries to play the violin and can not, it's a poor sort frustrated that could not get an autograph of Vengerov and still angry with him, therefore, this poor sick and insane amount of garbage written, stupid and meaningless crap that you and many of us read in all the channels where there are videos of Vengerov.
Mr, please please do not take the trouble to respond to maxhansenk, is a poor idiot who tries to play the violin and can not, it's a poor sort frustrated that could not get an autograph of Vengerov and still angry with him, therefore, this poor sick and insane amount of garbage written, stupid and meaningless crap that you and many of us read in all the channels where there are videos of Vengerov.
Here are my thoughts: Bell is a great "solo violin and orchestra" violinist while Vengerov has amazing technical skill and does better with things like this.
Their interpretations are very different from each other and their strengths and weaknesses are also different. In terms of HOW they play, you can't say that is alike. Bell is able to fit the role of a virtuoso violinist better by how he plays (visually) and how he looks then Vengerov.
@vonlubcke No, he's not, Vengerov is becoming one of the best players that currently lives. I have seen both of them perform and Vengerov blew me away on a level that Bell could not. I still feel that Vengerov is outstandingly a solo violinist and shows his main talent through the technical demanding spots that many of the complete violin features offer.
Bell seems to fit better with the orchestral accompaniments, still. Vengerov is too much of a free spirit for an orchestra. ;)
@StradAmatiViolin Well, regardless of what happened to him, which I know for certain it was something physical, it is the biggest shame. Vengerov is a genius in all respects of the word.
@BenSutherlandFTF No it's particularly bad to be arrogant if you are indeed brilliant, cause it just ruins it even more. It doesn't even look like he's doing it for the concentration... I was just not convinced by his character, most people appear to dissolve themselves into the music, but he looks like he's doing it for the show. I guess it's a subjective opinion, but let's keep the discussion going, so I can click and then just listen while I type..
@Mecinimi I would say Leonid Kogan is the most "complete" violin player I have ever heard!
Second place is split between David Oistrakh, Yehuda Menuhin, Michael Rabin and Jasha Heifetz.
Third place goes to Ferras, Neveau and Szeryng.
Perlman belongs with the "all time greats". But not up alongside Kogan. He is a wonderful player (Perlman) but he sounds like Rabin - and he does not play better then him (in my opinion). Maybe Perlman also belongs in "the split" second place.
@maxhansendk It is so difficult to truely "rank" any of these players.. they are all exceptional and their strengths differ slightly. Kogan, Menhuin, Heifetz and Perlman all top my list when I think of violinists. Can I say who is the best out of all of these gods? No, I can't. But.. there is just something about Perlman's playing. It speaks to me in ways the others don't.
This is my humble opinion though, it is by no means an absolute truth.
@Mecinimi The problem is that you have probably never heard Heifetz or Leonid Kogan "live".
Todays recording techniques are getting better all the time. Since Perlman has acces to that technology. He has an advantage.
To do compare violin payers you need to have peoples opinions. People who have listened "live" to those being compared.
I love Perlmans playing, but I also love Michael Rabins playing. And sometimes I prefer Rabin. They have the same "sweet sound". I think Perlman admired Rabin
@maxhansendk I understand what you are saying.. maybe my opinion would be changed. I've heard Bell, Hahn, Chang and Perlman all live (among many others). To rectify my statement a bit I will say that Perlman is the best violinist alive.. or at least I believe so. It is hard to judge anything more.
I swear I had seen a video where Perlman was talking about Kogan and Heifetz and he summed it up by saying "Heifetz is a tornado."
You know comments like yours really make me question whether people who are either blind or tone dead think that they actually are ok. I have nothing bad to say about Bell, but to make a statement that Vengerov is good simply because of his "amazing technical skill" is like saying that the sky is green. I am deeply moved by all of his performances and his passion and understanding of music. Your sound like a pompous snob, sir. Bell is better because he is prettier? what a joke!
@ikravchik You completely missed all of what I said. I prefer Vengerov over Bell completely, he is one of the best players of the decade. I'm not sure where you gathered those ideas..
@Mecinimi Lol wtf? I don't even like Vengerov and I know that Vengerov is way better in every way than Joshua Bell. There's a reason he was the world's best paid violinist during his career as a soloist.
its true that bell is not quite as strong a player technically as Vengerov but there is no piece that vengerov has recorded that bell would shy away from. Bell has plenty of technique to play any piece in the violin repertoire though maybe not quite as cleanly and precisely in tune as vengerov.
Excuse me ? Vengerov has recorded pieces such as Ernst Last Rose of Summer or the Echo sonata that Bell havent and coulndt have recorded... check them out..
Just to comment on the comparison earlier btw. joshua bell & Maxim vengerov. There is no doubt whatsover that Maxim is superior of them two. Joshua has a nice technique, yes, but his interpretations tend to be shallow, without insight! Maxim stands among the great violinist. Just compare the brahms's of both, it will not leave anybody in doubt
I agree, Vengerov stands among the great violinists of our time, but at the bottom. Joshua Bell is so greatly appreciated for some reason... people need to look into other violinists.
and another thing is that americans do not look much further than the US. For them hilary hahn and bell are top violinists. on the contrary tho, what about janine janssen, vengerov, keleman, guiliano garmignola etc.
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There are many neurological components that artists of higher caliber draw upon that are not fully understood--it involves drawing upon another area of the brain and often rolling the eyes and making facial contortions. I don't care what they have to do...I just enjoy the beautiful music
i dont think maxim vengerov has anything to imitate bell in. i think it would be the other way around. bell has a much inferior technique than maxim vengerov. bell definately is overrated in the united states. but any real non-asskissing violinist would say bell has a long way to go to come close to vengerov. i mean listen to maxims tchaikovsky,sibelius,nielsen, shosty,prokofiev and so on.
both are worth seeing in concert, because they both play beautifully. it is a matter of taste, and i do love verngerov interpretaions, but i wouldnt enjoy seeing either one of them dance. i clearly understand that physical movement is a large part of music, but im not sure if they do it just for show.
the the guy who got downrated 6 times... this music is supposed to express stained glass cathedral theme, after all bach's a religious person, not a heart broken-ish song with too much vibrato. GOT THAT??! I can downrate u to -7... but since i'm nice...
Very interesting interpretation. Makes me feel as if I`m in a big church and hear the music coming straight from heaven. I think it`s good when Bach is played freely, without worrying too much about every note. But that`s just my opinion...:)
I listen to Perlman and Vengerov right next to each other and what i see now more than ever is that their styles for playing this are incredibly different from each other. I like Perlman's a bit better but it has a more modern sound I think, whilst Vengerov's interpretation has more of a baroque sound to it
wow, I truly expected to be offended by his Bach, instead I was ravished...He can get so wild in his interpretation of other works, I wasn't sure what I was in for with his Bach
cretu,you are an idiot,just go away.take the music of some "Prelude non mesure" of L. Couperin, for example, and try to find YOUR ritm,your respiration.and then come here, and tell us,how it was.for me it´s too fast and too regular,too direct sound.but it´s beautiful!
I'm not sure Maxim is fooling around either. I think the look on his face is one of genuine transport. anyone who can become so dedicated tot he violin has to be very moved by it at some level. When Maxim's cheeks hollow, I think he is savouring the notes almost. Thanks for the comment on the last note - beautiful! But he always plays like that :-)))
What a lot of twaddle is talked by some of these twerps on here. If you just _listen_ to this it is really beautiful and quite brilliant. The fiddle sings superbly. The phrasing is fantastically delicate. The overall musical effect is close to perfect. I love the incredible delicate up bow on the very last note. If execution is not perfect, remember this is an encore to a live performance. Easy, gentlemen, please. And the faces are not for show. He can't help them. Now go home.
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No offence, but this is the worst possible way I've heard this being played, no emotion, no nothing, as said once, he thinks making faces will make up for the fact that his music is empty...
then tell me there's no emotion when vengerov plays this.
personally, i'm not a fan of vengerov's facial expressions either but his interpretation of the sarabande is beautiful, very much in style and full of emotion.
LOL!, no babe, i heard him live, his playing sucks mainly cos of his tuning, pure fifths are an abomination, take it from me, i have a decade of tuning pianos and organs behind me i know what an instrument in harmony sounds like... warm.. nt harsh like his...
um you dont know what u r talking about.... he plays the piece like its written.... he intonation is great.... the double stops are supposed to have that harshness to them... its Bach for goodness sake
I dont care if he plays it on his head, no violinist tunes properly... I can tell you off the start, arguing with me is pointless, because if you wish i will prove myself right.
(piano tuner, organ tuner, studied accoustics, worked with Bösendorfer and Steinway, long time volunteer with Renner) Instrument is supposed to sound in harmony, violins dont, because of pure fifths, detune it alittle bit, and youll have a violin that sounds warm, especially when hitting open strings...
Bach doesn't have to played with a warm sound. It's more important to be in tune and to have it resonate. However, the term "warm" is so overused now that it encompasses many meanings. Could you be more specific? Furthermore, many violinists suck at live performances. It's just not possible to bring recording-quality sound to the table every single time.
I disagree, i think Sarabande really does need alittle bit of warm, just a tiny tiny little amount. Be specific, ok, shoot the violin tuned inpure 5ths :-)
It's possible, i've seen it happen,and im very proud of the person who did this. No one will probbaly figure out what is it he has done :-)
I'm sorry, but its annoying when you say pure fiths.
It's PERFECT fiths, not PURE fiths.
That being said, Zhou9 is right when he says warm is overly used.
I believe that it is, indeed, the resonating.
By the way, way to BRAG in your first comment, tells a lot about your arrogant personality. A lot of people have great accomplishments, they just aren't assholes like you.
"Period" influenced performances like this always lose their power on video, as there is no microphone on the planet capable of reproducing the overtones that a violin produces. Vengerov is actually pulling a nice beautiful sound from his Strad. I'd rather hear this kind of performance than the constipated me-first interpretations done by "romantic" Bach violinists.
The only thing I'd like to have heard is a bit more emphasis on the 3/4 baroque sarabande dance beat.
He generally sounds good of course but he plays this so light and yet he is playing it rather musical he sort of stays at piano it's not quite rich enough for my taste, not getting enough sound out of the instrument slightly weak causes me to get a little bored.
pick up the violin and play it yourself, then you'll hear worse. if you're gonna criticise, do it eloquently and with meaning, not by swearing and making no points. it IS a good performance, you just clearly lack the musicianship to know that.
This is music, and music is art. In art the only thing that matters is the personal opinion, you can not determine which music is better than another, or what musician is better than another, perhaps, specifying only with technical terms, but in general the only way to determine who or what is better than another in art is based on your taste and your opinion. Greetings and sorry for my bad English.
Oh my God I can't stand the Grumiaux version, so overly done, so much vibrato - he takes everything away from what is inherently great in the writing by trying too hard.
those are all good interpretations, however Vengerov is doing something very unique in this performance. While others try to deviate from the original Bach performace, making it romantic and more dramatic, Vengerov embraces the Baroque style and plays this partita with upmost purity. Every single one of Bach's compositions were in dedication to the lord, and Vengerov truly shows it in this performance.
Vengerov is a poser; there are much better interpretations of Bachs Partita (Listen to Schneiderhan (best of all), Zehetmair, Mintz, Milstein, Lautenbacher, Szeryng, Chung ...
@AyeDunnoJoe
I bet he stands still when he orgasms.
ironboxoferasers 4 months ago
omg, this is indeed great but Itzhak Perlman should teach Maxim Vengerov how to play Bach.
Jozhx14 5 months ago
@Jozhx14 Not Perlman but Julia Fischer:)
ThePoscriptum 5 months ago
@Jozhx14 That is a really ignorant statement. Perlman, of course the greatest violinist alive in many respects, litters his bach with deep, melodramatic vibrato on EVERY SINGLE NOTE! Hardly baroque and certainly not something he should "teach" Vengerov about Bach!
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omg, this is indeed great but Itzhak Perlman should teach Maxim Vengerov how to play Bach.
Jozhx14 5 months ago
omg, this is indeed great but Itzhak Perlman should teach Maxim Vengerov how to play Bach.
Jozhx14 5 months ago
@Jozhx14 I thought it was the other way around?
Wishrachi 4 months ago
13 dislikes, not sure what you can dislike about it?. Just listen and enjoy....
eddie4367 6 months ago
He always looks like he's having an orgasm.
AyeDunnoJoe 7 months ago 5
Its a wonder he can play that well in tune with his fingers sweating as much as they are. I can clearly see the sweat stains on his fingerboard from his fingers. Sweaty fingers make violin that much harder, so I have to give him even more props for that. Amazing performance, so tender, gentle and caring.
PositiveHalo 7 months ago
mix of vengerov and bach......i like more bach
dave1231239 8 months ago
so fucking sexy.
dropsoffaith 8 months ago
To put it bluntly, I'm sick to death of comments that attempt to rate one artist over another. I bet that most of the the people that that make these ratings have never and will never approach the level of artistry that they attempt to rate. Preferring one interpretation over another is one thing, but the obsession with "ranking" is ridiculous. Having a critical ear is great. Don't like what you hear-move on. A lot of these ratings/rankings are just preciousness.I bet Hilary is bigger than Bell.
drewt3 9 months ago 3
@drewt3 I wholeheartedly agree. They're ALL top-level violinists. To all these supposed "critics," unless you're a top-level violinist yourself, just listen to the SOUND coming out of that violin, and enjoy it!
volk410 6 months ago
Пустой он. Музыкальный, но пустой. Жалко- такой виртуоз...
ichhassebanfield 9 months ago
Надо же так испортить Баха:(
ThePoscriptum 9 months ago
Puzzled at the top voted comment. No way is Bell a better virtuoso than Vengerov. He isn't even on the same planet as Vengerov technically and whats this" visually bo*****s? Bells hideous histrionics on stage look contrived whereas Vengerovs facial expressions and movements come from someone who is so clearly feeling the music. This playing is masterly, the way he just strokes the violin using bow speed and making it sing, Vengerov is quite simply King!!
mrwasbesonders 10 months ago
Here is my thoughts on this video, as magnificent as ever sheer brilliance by a true virtuoso who possesses unparalleled technique and skill. Mr. Vengerov is equal to Mr. Perelman and Mr. Bell.
Firephenoix1 10 months ago
best or not, HE'S MY FAVORITE!!!!!!!!!!!!! look him up playing Ravel's 'Tzigane"
polakhomie92 10 months ago
This is the Chicago Symphony, but not in Chicago... where were they? When is this from? Thanks!
usnhorn 1 year ago
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I think he plays it too fast...you can´t feel really that what Bach tries to tell...to show....this unknown human desire that lives in any of us
ayleeni 1 year ago
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I think he plays it too fast...you can´t feel really that what Bach tries to tell...to show....this unknown human desire that lives in any of us
ayleeni 1 year ago
I think he plays it too fast...you can´t feel really that what Bach tries to tell...to show....this unknown human desire that lives in any of us
ayleeni 1 year ago
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I think he plays it too fast...you can´t feel really that what Bach tries to tell...to show....this unknown human desire that lives in any of us
ayleeni 1 year ago
I think he plays it too fast...you can´t feel really that what Bach tries to tell...to show....this unknown human desire that lives in any of us
ayleeni 1 year ago
Joshua Bell. Moves like a un-trained violinist. Vengerov to me is just terrible.
ericgable 1 year ago
For endersv20, when you are brilliant you could be arrogant, everybody will excuse it!
alpha0634 1 year ago
wow!!! since the first second you enjoy it.
guiotdprvnc1 1 year ago
when you see the other violin players and musicians around vengerov.. they have about 65 years for each leg and they have played with many amazing players in that orchestra.. but then they look at him like they haven't never heard this piece.. this is vengerov
animeimport 1 year ago
haha! he sounds all right, but I can't watch this without having funnies over his face!!! LOL [:
heilogif 1 year ago
mister arrogant ... but an artist anyway
3NUNS 1 year ago
thank you. to trinitrotoluol-it seems to me that it was played on metal strings. i don´t know, if it could be possible to comment this playing, so good it is. serenissimo
vint22 2 years ago
great solo
im 95% sure he is using gut strings for this song
246trinitrotoluene 2 years ago
@246trinitrotoluene hes not.
harmanbasskardon 1 year ago
@harmanbasskardon you're wrong
vengerov does use gut strings when playing baroque
246trinitrotoluene 1 year ago
he uses Evah Pirazzi all the time.
theviolinist12345 1 year ago
time?
lordhenrywotton69 2 years ago
Nice tender and pure sound, beautiful long lines
Impressionist1 2 years ago
yes, I agree. This was the first video I saw of Vengerov and it seems to be a great representation of his sound.
cgijfk 2 years ago
seriously?? why did he have surgery? for what?
spamajen 2 years ago
he damaged his shoulder whilst weight lifting
chaz567123456789 2 years ago
does he use a baroque violin here? sounds like it....
oldgoat5 2 years ago
He uses the same strad that he always uses. He's so good at making the style of a certain piece come out :)
jettviolin 2 years ago 2
Ce type grimaçant ne joue pas du Bach mais de la bouillie pour chat!
SALIMPUL 2 years ago
nice interpretation. congratulations.
dosergiobr 2 years ago
not allot of musicians realize how to interpret masters like bach, vengerov does, listen to double stops with allmost no vibrato, listen to the final bars, although vengerov could do perhaps everthing, he does the pure nescesarry in important phrases, he has a great heart for the sense of music, my compliments
sigiteufl 2 years ago 4
I think it's a shame he cant play anymore. He is much like Nadal in a way...he has great talent but he forced himself so much (phisically) that his body couldnt take it anymore.
I personally like ppl who can make wonderful music with more echonomy of movement. After all, music is not interpretive dancing or any form of visual art.
vlara87 2 years ago
what do you mean???? hes no more playing?????
vlhere 2 years ago
He doesn't play anymore...he's given up basically...
grajner7 2 years ago
are u kidding???? why has he given up???
schostaievski 2 years ago
No, he got a surgery in his hand, and he wont be able to play more.
He is now a orchestra conductor.
moshe1321 2 years ago
he's just on hiatus so he can teach and not focus so much on promoting his own violin career. idk anything about a surgery but im sure he'll be recording again soon........the sooner the better really
carrottoponcrak 2 years ago
How terrible!!! I can't imagine what I would do in his place. Bravo for becoming a conductor!!!
Violascry 2 years ago
It's the most awesome form of art ,is'nt it?
Lama0tsu 2 years ago
the thing I don't like about Bach, is his suspensions. Yeah, they sound neat and all...but he over uses them!
Thats probably why I like Bartok so well, he leaves you hanging when you don't expect it!
VMCCommunity 2 years ago
sin palabras si hilary es genial en bach peo vengerov es un genio generalpara el no ay barreras puff
genial
tipochris 2 years ago
I'm pleasantly surprised, his version is great! It's quieter, softer, yet sadder and more profound than the others. 5 stars!
uptilthesky 2 years ago
too bad he's not touring on L.A anytime soon :(
I really, really want to see him live, again :)
vtmvs10 2 years ago
Vengerov, awesome virtuoso! Ever a greatest violinist!!!!
cortesepiloto 2 years ago
I think Hilary Hahn has better inturpriations of Bach then Bell or this guy...but that's just my opinion. I like Hilary Hahn's sound better and the way she makes every note distinct. She is one of the best out there...also Perlman...I don't like him as much as I like her...again ppl this is all my opinion and if you don't agree that's your opinion
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maxhansendk 2 years ago
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More monkey faces and bad renditions...
Vengerov is most overrated of modern violin players today.
maxhansendk 2 years ago
people like you just don't understand the nature of music... who cares how he looks on stage, people used to call heifetz cold on stage too. "Close your eyes and listen" is what Gitles said...
Donluggy 2 years ago
Yes and that's what itzhak perlman also said ... the amount of emotions and drama he has while playin is out standing ...
pythonviolin 2 years ago
Mr, please please do not take the trouble to respond to maxhansenk, is a poor idiot who tries to play the violin and can not, it's a poor sort frustrated that could not get an autograph of Vengerov and still angry with him, therefore, this poor sick and insane amount of garbage written, stupid and meaningless crap that you and many of us read in all the channels where there are videos of Vengerov.
Brunildilla 2 years ago
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Mr, please please do not take the trouble to respond to maxhansenk, is a poor idiot who tries to play the violin and can not, it's a poor sort frustrated that could not get an autograph of Vengerov and still angry with him, therefore, this poor sick and insane amount of garbage written, stupid and meaningless crap that you and many of us read in all the channels where there are videos of Vengerov.
Brunildilla 2 years ago
"Bell is able to fit the role of a virtuoso violinist better by how he plays (visually) and how he looks then Vengerov."
Ummm...If deaf people need Bach interpreted, then Bell is the man to call?
throbbingguru 2 years ago
I would call them both! I don't care who plays cuz both kick ass!
Violinater 2 years ago
Here are my thoughts: Bell is a great "solo violin and orchestra" violinist while Vengerov has amazing technical skill and does better with things like this.
Their interpretations are very different from each other and their strengths and weaknesses are also different. In terms of HOW they play, you can't say that is alike. Bell is able to fit the role of a virtuoso violinist better by how he plays (visually) and how he looks then Vengerov.
Let's just all agree that Perlman is best, okay?
Mecinimi 2 years ago 25
@Mecinimi Bell cant be even compared to Vengerov, Bell most likely will never reach this level...
vonlubcke 1 year ago
@vonlubcke No, he's not, Vengerov is becoming one of the best players that currently lives. I have seen both of them perform and Vengerov blew me away on a level that Bell could not. I still feel that Vengerov is outstandingly a solo violinist and shows his main talent through the technical demanding spots that many of the complete violin features offer.
Bell seems to fit better with the orchestral accompaniments, still. Vengerov is too much of a free spirit for an orchestra. ;)
Mecinimi 1 year ago 2
@Mecinimi I thought vengerov quite playing violin I'm confused.
StradAmatiViolin 1 year ago
@StradAmatiViolin He was injured, I believe.
zzzBaron 1 year ago
@zzzBaron I remember reading that there was something wrong with his wrist or arm I am not sure.
StradAmatiViolin 1 year ago
@StradAmatiViolin Well, regardless of what happened to him, which I know for certain it was something physical, it is the biggest shame. Vengerov is a genius in all respects of the word.
zzzBaron 1 year ago
@zzzBaron upper right shoulder FUCKED. stiff bow arm. Pinchas said this years ago.
Silkmeister 1 year ago
@StradAmatiViolin With such a puny, whisper of a sound, he might as well.
jpeacock105 1 year ago
@Mecinimi mmm... no
animeimport 1 year ago
@Mecinimi
My thoughts: plays well, but he looks like a dick ..
Do you need to make arrogant expressions in order to play the violin?
andersv20 1 year ago
@andersv20 If you play this well I think you're in a rightful position to look arrogant.
BenSutherlandFTF 1 year ago
@BenSutherlandFTF No it's particularly bad to be arrogant if you are indeed brilliant, cause it just ruins it even more. It doesn't even look like he's doing it for the concentration... I was just not convinced by his character, most people appear to dissolve themselves into the music, but he looks like he's doing it for the show. I guess it's a subjective opinion, but let's keep the discussion going, so I can click and then just listen while I type..
andersv20 1 year ago
@andersv20 Vengerov does the same facial expressions playing the violin since he was a kid. It sticks, it's not being arrogant.
jceiras 1 year ago
@jceiras
What made him start?
Well, I guess there's no necessary connection from his facial expressions to his attitude, so I'll give in.
andersv20 1 year ago
@andersv20 dunno, ask him /watch?v=0WhGrngr1xQ
jceiras 1 year ago
@Mecinimi I would say Leonid Kogan is the most "complete" violin player I have ever heard!
Second place is split between David Oistrakh, Yehuda Menuhin, Michael Rabin and Jasha Heifetz.
Third place goes to Ferras, Neveau and Szeryng.
Perlman belongs with the "all time greats". But not up alongside Kogan. He is a wonderful player (Perlman) but he sounds like Rabin - and he does not play better then him (in my opinion). Maybe Perlman also belongs in "the split" second place.
Hahn may join 1d.
maxhansendk 1 year ago
@maxhansendk It is so difficult to truely "rank" any of these players.. they are all exceptional and their strengths differ slightly. Kogan, Menhuin, Heifetz and Perlman all top my list when I think of violinists. Can I say who is the best out of all of these gods? No, I can't. But.. there is just something about Perlman's playing. It speaks to me in ways the others don't.
This is my humble opinion though, it is by no means an absolute truth.
Mecinimi 1 year ago
@Mecinimi Yes Perlman is great! But have you listened to Michael Rabin?
He has the same "sweet sound" as Perlman.
Sometimes I wonder if Perlman have inherited Rabins violin. It sure makes the same gorgeous sounds!
maxhansendk 1 year ago
@Mecinimi The problem is that you have probably never heard Heifetz or Leonid Kogan "live".
Todays recording techniques are getting better all the time. Since Perlman has acces to that technology. He has an advantage.
To do compare violin payers you need to have peoples opinions. People who have listened "live" to those being compared.
I love Perlmans playing, but I also love Michael Rabins playing. And sometimes I prefer Rabin. They have the same "sweet sound". I think Perlman admired Rabin
maxhansendk 1 year ago
@maxhansendk I understand what you are saying.. maybe my opinion would be changed. I've heard Bell, Hahn, Chang and Perlman all live (among many others). To rectify my statement a bit I will say that Perlman is the best violinist alive.. or at least I believe so. It is hard to judge anything more.
I swear I had seen a video where Perlman was talking about Kogan and Heifetz and he summed it up by saying "Heifetz is a tornado."
Mecinimi 1 year ago
@Mecinimi
You know comments like yours really make me question whether people who are either blind or tone dead think that they actually are ok. I have nothing bad to say about Bell, but to make a statement that Vengerov is good simply because of his "amazing technical skill" is like saying that the sky is green. I am deeply moved by all of his performances and his passion and understanding of music. Your sound like a pompous snob, sir. Bell is better because he is prettier? what a joke!
ikravchik 1 year ago
@ikravchik You completely missed all of what I said. I prefer Vengerov over Bell completely, he is one of the best players of the decade. I'm not sure where you gathered those ideas..
Mecinimi 1 year ago
@Mecinimi Lol wtf? I don't even like Vengerov and I know that Vengerov is way better in every way than Joshua Bell. There's a reason he was the world's best paid violinist during his career as a soloist.
AbsoluteZ3R0 1 year ago
@Mecinimi
I prefer vengerov's passion and energy over bell's calm attitude but I would agree that they are very different as musicians. :)
Godrick85 10 months ago
@Mecinimi szeryng is sort of...better
Shine860530 3 months ago
@Mecinimi ahahahaha, i so wanted to say cry about your Bell comments until I got to the end... right on...
PaperGrape 3 months ago
ouvindo todos os harmonicos perceptiveis ao ser humano!!!!!
gilmar1999 2 years ago
If only Bell could play the 1/100 of Vengerov !!
Vengerov has played monster pieces that Bell wouldnt play even in his wildest dreams !
mixailaggelos2004 3 years ago
thisone is not that difficult, but it is just his feeling and interpretation he can lay into it that makes it that good.
Needymul 3 years ago
His interpretation is actually quite messy and wouldn't be acceptable in a college student. He only gets away with it because of his fame.
hahaidontcare 3 years ago
If only Vengerov could play the 1/100000000 of Oistrakh
Scisseron 2 years ago
its true that bell is not quite as strong a player technically as Vengerov but there is no piece that vengerov has recorded that bell would shy away from. Bell has plenty of technique to play any piece in the violin repertoire though maybe not quite as cleanly and precisely in tune as vengerov.
nbaum0 2 years ago
Excuse me ? Vengerov has recorded pieces such as Ernst Last Rose of Summer or the Echo sonata that Bell havent and coulndt have recorded... check them out..
mixailaggelos2004 2 years ago 2
Just to comment on the comparison earlier btw. joshua bell & Maxim vengerov. There is no doubt whatsover that Maxim is superior of them two. Joshua has a nice technique, yes, but his interpretations tend to be shallow, without insight! Maxim stands among the great violinist. Just compare the brahms's of both, it will not leave anybody in doubt
keikobad 3 years ago
You're dead on--the Brahms says it all.
pelopenesiac 3 years ago
I agree, Vengerov stands among the great violinists of our time, but at the bottom. Joshua Bell is so greatly appreciated for some reason... people need to look into other violinists.
vaust 3 years ago
Probably cause, aside from being really good, he's also cute and played on the famous Red Violin soundtrack.
ingwis 3 years ago
I agree. Josh Bell has more star appeal, being a bit movie star looking. I much prefer Vengerov.
Galatians324 3 years ago 17
yep yep the red violin is one of his big claims to fame.
xXLeafXNinjaXx 3 years ago
and another thing is that americans do not look much further than the US. For them hilary hahn and bell are top violinists. on the contrary tho, what about janine janssen, vengerov, keleman, guiliano garmignola etc.
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anonym546 3 years ago
There are many neurological components that artists of higher caliber draw upon that are not fully understood--it involves drawing upon another area of the brain and often rolling the eyes and making facial contortions. I don't care what they have to do...I just enjoy the beautiful music
OriginalMoonbeam 3 years ago 2
Here's lot of pointless comments...To me it's unique
Impressionist1 3 years ago
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He soooooo immatates Joshua Bell.
If it weren't bad enough that Josh danced on stage, now we have this immitator.
Great interpretations on some stuff, but annoying to see in concert. You can tell he thinks he's the best, which he is NOT.
Doesn't deserve that Strad.
jmuzic77 3 years ago
why would he want to imitate some poxy american
he works for charity
so go fuck yourself, prick
shamrock929292 3 years ago 3
aw how cute.
u think ur cool :)
and i never said he was a bad person, retard.
jmuzic77 3 years ago
So do you deserve it? just listen to the music and enjoy don't pay attention to the facial expressions!
violinzar 3 years ago
i dont think maxim vengerov has anything to imitate bell in. i think it would be the other way around. bell has a much inferior technique than maxim vengerov. bell definately is overrated in the united states. but any real non-asskissing violinist would say bell has a long way to go to come close to vengerov. i mean listen to maxims tchaikovsky,sibelius,nielsen, shosty,prokofiev and so on.
carloslaran 3 years ago
both are worth seeing in concert, because they both play beautifully. it is a matter of taste, and i do love verngerov interpretaions, but i wouldnt enjoy seeing either one of them dance. i clearly understand that physical movement is a large part of music, but im not sure if they do it just for show.
jmuzic77 3 years ago
That's a heck of a Strad....
OlivePirastro 3 years ago
I award this 3 ANNA MAGDALENAS FOR SOME LOVELY UNRUSHED GESTURAL PHRASING THAT FREQUENTLY HAS GOOD AFFECT AND HUMAN BREATH.
FURTHER THERE IS A PERFORMER'S POINT OF VIEW HERE...AS IT SOUNDS LIKE NO ONE ELSE'S VERSION OF THIS PIECE.
BACHonaHUMANlevel 3 years ago
Brilliant performance.
wmd10 3 years ago
the the guy who got downrated 6 times... this music is supposed to express stained glass cathedral theme, after all bach's a religious person, not a heart broken-ish song with too much vibrato. GOT THAT??! I can downrate u to -7... but since i'm nice...
Amarynthine 3 years ago
Very interesting interpretation. Makes me feel as if I`m in a big church and hear the music coming straight from heaven. I think it`s good when Bach is played freely, without worrying too much about every note. But that`s just my opinion...:)
aleagria03 3 years ago 4
I listen to Perlman and Vengerov right next to each other and what i see now more than ever is that their styles for playing this are incredibly different from each other. I like Perlman's a bit better but it has a more modern sound I think, whilst Vengerov's interpretation has more of a baroque sound to it
ItzhakRoxMySox 3 years ago
Of course you see deep, true and sincere passion in face and body language!
chillisnake 3 years ago 2
wow, I truly expected to be offended by his Bach, instead I was ravished...He can get so wild in his interpretation of other works, I wasn't sure what I was in for with his Bach
takemitsu 4 years ago 2
Nice choreography
kavak260773 4 years ago
wait untill you hear yhe music
radudir 3 years ago
a eso se le llama ser solista
!!
zeronecrostarmozart 4 years ago
cretu,you are an idiot,just go away.take the music of some "Prelude non mesure" of L. Couperin, for example, and try to find YOUR ritm,your respiration.and then come here, and tell us,how it was.for me it´s too fast and too regular,too direct sound.but it´s beautiful!
vint22 4 years ago
sera porque es barroco y por eso no le mete mucho vibrato!!!!
zeronecrostarmozart 4 years ago
to much liberty maestro Vengerov, you dont have ritm?
cretu 4 years ago
this is a man who loves and performs music beautifully.
if all you can comment on is his face, then you need to shut up and listen to his violin.
CalculatedPerception 4 years ago 13
omg if u ppl say that he's not doing the facial expressions for show, that's ridiculous! Just take a good look at heifetz
(u can also tell that he does a lot for show, by just looking at his clothes 0.-)
i'd compare vengerov with lang lang and lang lang isn't THAT bad...
darcdaggar 4 years ago
I'm not sure Maxim is fooling around either. I think the look on his face is one of genuine transport. anyone who can become so dedicated tot he violin has to be very moved by it at some level. When Maxim's cheeks hollow, I think he is savouring the notes almost. Thanks for the comment on the last note - beautiful! But he always plays like that :-)))
bluedoughnuts 4 years ago
What a lot of twaddle is talked by some of these twerps on here. If you just _listen_ to this it is really beautiful and quite brilliant. The fiddle sings superbly. The phrasing is fantastically delicate. The overall musical effect is close to perfect. I love the incredible delicate up bow on the very last note. If execution is not perfect, remember this is an encore to a live performance. Easy, gentlemen, please. And the faces are not for show. He can't help them. Now go home.
fuckthepain 4 years ago
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No offence, but this is the worst possible way I've heard this being played, no emotion, no nothing, as said once, he thinks making faces will make up for the fact that his music is empty...
c0string 4 years ago
try to listen to this with your eyes closed...
then tell me there's no emotion when vengerov plays this.
personally, i'm not a fan of vengerov's facial expressions either but his interpretation of the sarabande is beautiful, very much in style and full of emotion.
MayaK 4 years ago
you must have extremely bad speakers or your just deaf
sheepbird 3 years ago
LOL!, no babe, i heard him live, his playing sucks mainly cos of his tuning, pure fifths are an abomination, take it from me, i have a decade of tuning pianos and organs behind me i know what an instrument in harmony sounds like... warm.. nt harsh like his...
c0string 3 years ago
um you dont know what u r talking about.... he plays the piece like its written.... he intonation is great.... the double stops are supposed to have that harshness to them... its Bach for goodness sake
violinist125 3 years ago
I dont care if he plays it on his head, no violinist tunes properly... I can tell you off the start, arguing with me is pointless, because if you wish i will prove myself right.
(piano tuner, organ tuner, studied accoustics, worked with Bösendorfer and Steinway, long time volunteer with Renner) Instrument is supposed to sound in harmony, violins dont, because of pure fifths, detune it alittle bit, and youll have a violin that sounds warm, especially when hitting open strings...
c0string 3 years ago
He is right ...
moridinTKD 3 years ago
He? Sorry mate, I don't have a willy.. Try she... :-)
c0string 3 years ago
Bach doesn't have to played with a warm sound. It's more important to be in tune and to have it resonate. However, the term "warm" is so overused now that it encompasses many meanings. Could you be more specific? Furthermore, many violinists suck at live performances. It's just not possible to bring recording-quality sound to the table every single time.
Zhou9 3 years ago
I disagree, i think Sarabande really does need alittle bit of warm, just a tiny tiny little amount. Be specific, ok, shoot the violin tuned inpure 5ths :-)
It's possible, i've seen it happen,and im very proud of the person who did this. No one will probbaly figure out what is it he has done :-)
c0string 3 years ago
I'm sorry, but its annoying when you say pure fiths.
It's PERFECT fiths, not PURE fiths.
That being said, Zhou9 is right when he says warm is overly used.
I believe that it is, indeed, the resonating.
By the way, way to BRAG in your first comment, tells a lot about your arrogant personality. A lot of people have great accomplishments, they just aren't assholes like you.
jmuzic77 3 years ago
He is the best!!!
But I don't like some of his manners when he is on the stage.
YoanaKyurkchieva 4 years ago
all the showiness really cuts the effect of the music...It's like he thinks that all the faces will make up for the emotion
Therearemen16 4 years ago
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agreed...I can't watch him. he looks retarded -_-
abviolinplayer 2 years ago
Awesome performance.
"Period" influenced performances like this always lose their power on video, as there is no microphone on the planet capable of reproducing the overtones that a violin produces. Vengerov is actually pulling a nice beautiful sound from his Strad. I'd rather hear this kind of performance than the constipated me-first interpretations done by "romantic" Bach violinists.
The only thing I'd like to have heard is a bit more emphasis on the 3/4 baroque sarabande dance beat.
HuangKaiVun 4 years ago
not bad at all...Just close your eyes to get rid of the visual distraction. Beyond the buffonery he plays it rather well.
adaswet 4 years ago
He generally sounds good of course but he plays this so light and yet he is playing it rather musical he sort of stays at piano it's not quite rich enough for my taste, not getting enough sound out of the instrument slightly weak causes me to get a little bored.
thevioman 4 years ago
Nice sound. Never heard him play Bach before.
gawgul 4 years ago
worst bach I've ever heard... Grumiaux's is so much better than this lame piece of shit
govibe 5 years ago
pick up the violin and play it yourself, then you'll hear worse. if you're gonna criticise, do it eloquently and with meaning, not by swearing and making no points. it IS a good performance, you just clearly lack the musicianship to know that.
jaimie81 5 years ago
hey, I'm just being honest!
govibe 5 years ago
Opinions are one thing, but substantiating them is more important.
VoiceAmongMany 3 years ago
This is music, and music is art. In art the only thing that matters is the personal opinion, you can not determine which music is better than another, or what musician is better than another, perhaps, specifying only with technical terms, but in general the only way to determine who or what is better than another in art is based on your taste and your opinion. Greetings and sorry for my bad English.
crvmetal 2 years ago
BRAVOOOO! WELL SAID!!!
and your English is fine :)
Greetings!
vtmvs10 2 years ago
Oh my God I can't stand the Grumiaux version, so overly done, so much vibrato - he takes everything away from what is inherently great in the writing by trying too hard.
ingwis 3 years ago
I dislike his showiness, but he sure plays that well.
festeringtool 5 years ago
those are all good interpretations, however Vengerov is doing something very unique in this performance. While others try to deviate from the original Bach performace, making it romantic and more dramatic, Vengerov embraces the Baroque style and plays this partita with upmost purity. Every single one of Bach's compositions were in dedication to the lord, and Vengerov truly shows it in this performance.
KingViolist 5 years ago
Vengerov is a poser; there are much better interpretations of Bachs Partita (Listen to Schneiderhan (best of all), Zehetmair, Mintz, Milstein, Lautenbacher, Szeryng, Chung ...
S0NNABEND 5 years ago
Not so bad...
mastermistr 5 years ago
Bach was EMO. People just doesn't listen to Bach anymore.
noleno 5 years ago
seriously drizzle.. these violinists need to listen to the music and not fixate on the facial expressions..
Sandrito702 5 years ago
close your eyes and just listen
Drizzletron 5 years ago
arrrrgh he is too EMO! it truly turns me off
jnlee20 5 years ago
AmAZiNg
Tutsikiyanacek 5 years ago