Integral Psychedelics: Roundtable Discussion #2

[0019930418]

dam a 60 year old who still trips..cool

[FelixMachina]

DISCLAIMER! :P

Liked this video really cool. Specially Spirals puke trip.

[M4rkpj]

Thanks guys, 2 excellent round tables, I've enjoyed listening to these.

[xCxOxLxLxExYx]

cotinuation: was in a mass of colour that made ultra complex patterns i couldnt even begin to descibe them i saw colours that i didnt even think were possible the only bad bit of that trip was coming down from that ultimet high to a big amt trip but in all one of the best exspriances i had and it involved death

[xCxOxLxLxExYx]

continuation:

i was already on a big high talking what seemed to be lucid and cognative to me but wasnt really to my gf and i decided to do a big hit of salvia so i took the hit and i laid back and what started to happen was i dissapeared from rerality not the world per say but yeah and all of a sudden i had this overwhelming feeling i was dieing then i died and i was shocked that it was so easy to accept the place i was transported to is what i can only descibe as heven

[xCxOxLxLxExYx]

i note this is a fraction of one of my trips but krystal asked if they have exspirianceed death in a trip and it sparked the memory the setting was in my home with my gf (she dosent trip) the drugs i was on were amt 150mg and canabis repetedly through the night and salvia x60

[smallpotatoes989]

this is probably the best video that you made

[smallpotatoes989]

kitterina is hot. I want to take a trip in to her!

[smallpotatoes989]

interesting! 

[loftymuses]

Dope heads. 

[PjMaierBmx]

@loftymuses please just go kill yourself.

[loftymuses]

@PjMaierBmx Hostility and delusions coupled with a pre-evolutionary IQ and drug-taking behaviors. *cough*

The only thing that separates humans from the animal kingdom is our rationality, says Aristotle. In a quest for insight, you've given up that very part of you that makes you human. I hope the hallucinations were worth it.

[WeedySparx]

@loftymuses And you believe it to be irrational to experiment with drugs? Come on. You know what else hostility and delusions are coupled with? Religion.

[hippy2010]

@loftymuses What about rationality makes you believe it should be placed higher than irrational thought and feelings? I, for one, find it amusing when humans go on and on about rationality and logic. As if there is some way to ultimately prove that logic or rationale isn't a human societal construct that is nothing but a mass hallucination that we all agree to play by. I think you need to look into Xenohpanes and Heraclitus as well.

[hippy2010]

@loftymuses And after all, even if one could prove that rationality does objectively exist and is separate from irrational thoughts and emotions, that doesn't deal with the problem that they are symbiotic opposites. In that, they depend on one another to be understood. The concept of light without dark makes no sense. As does the concept of dark without light. They work together to form concepts. The concept of rationality, without irrationality, is meaningless.

[loftymuses]

@hippy2010 It's easy to be deep in freshman philosophy.

[hippy2010]

@loftymuses Then what are you missing? Take some classes at a community college, right? I guess you already have, calling on "freshman philosophy" too. I guess you're right. Good job, bud. Experimenting with altered states of consciousness is for morons. I'm glad you could prove it to everyone. High five! It's pretty black and white. Like an after-school special.

[dabeshu]

@hippy2010 Hey man. Shut up.

[Sloppymilkshake100]

Enjoy pacifying yourself people.

Seriously? Telepathy? The fuck. "When you die you transition into this pure state of awareness that is beautiful and blissful and the most ultimate divine love that is timeless and infinite and its here always yet nothing..."

[Sloppymilkshake100]

How do you figure? What rationalization do you have to believe that? Why do you find the need to latch onto a culture in which you can live vicariously through? Why do you try to rationalize your acid trips as some sort of mysticism or pseudo-scientific understanding of the world? Your senses and perception are changing when you trip on acid, not the world or universe around you. Your claims of insight are just as flawed as any other theories about existence.

[ulisesmagno]

What do I have to do to discuss with neuro soup like in the video?

[wrharned]

Eloquent. It's reassuring to meet other people who embrace the enigmatic, to know there's life out there behind closed doors.

[EtherTrogg8]

around 14:45 daniel states how his lsd experience reshaped his world view. Imo this is a primary reason that psychedelics are kept illegal and punishment for use/sale are so severe. i mean alot has gone into to molding our world view in the first place. If these substances can so easyly undo the years of conditioning and manipulation that have so effectively controlled the minds of the masses....doesnt it become clearer why these substances should kept out of our hands and minds??

[doutonight]

Wow, great stuff here! At first I didnt think I would watch a whole 52 min, its great

[wrharned]

Whoa! Whoa! These are some really real stories. I can't even watch it all in one go.

[firemachima]

good mix of people !!!!

[chocky123]

Ive took lots of LSD and magic mushrooms I just want to warn people that you should never take hallucinogenics as a fuck about as many do, as they can cause serious psychological problems which ive witnessed to people close to me, I can't deny I've had life changing experiences using mushrooms but also ive been arrested because of them, stay safe

[MartinDePateshull]

Back before the silver mines were closed and the do-gooders started spreading baffle, the blessed CIA did a bit of research into the psychedelics. About the only effect they have consistently is that they increase suggestibility, that is, susceptibility to hypnotic suggestion, both external and self-inflicted.

500 ug stroke cured by autosuggestion + aspirin. Oh you kids.

[luckyodeler]

I can relate to Kitterina's rainbow beads, that was a really cool story, thanks for sharing. :-) Krystle, I'm so glad you're doing these roundtable discussions; they are really interesting!

[luckyodeler]

I'm so glad that you mentioned that a lot of the LSD out there is crap, because I was exposed to some crappy LSD. The trip was good for 2 days... Not so good the remaining 3. And I've never read any accounts of an LSD trip lasting that long, and I'm glad to have more reinforcement of the idea that it's the chemical that was wrong, not me. I can relate to the video in which Krystle describes taking a bottom of the barrel research chemical in a way, though my experience was less intense.

[rosepetalman]

@luckyodeler The sad fact is, that wasn't LSD. Even sadder, a great many of the people who *think* they've had it, never actually have. And that is unlikely to change!

[luckyodeler]

@rosepetalman That is a very sad fact indeed! We need better more trustworthy chemistry out there! lol. Thanks for replying! :)

[ChameleonLost88]

Ok at first I thought I was playing Mario Cart 7, then I started tripping and realized I'm really watching NeuroSoup o.O

[anglosaxonqueen]

Okay I am so glad I'm not the only one to experience telepathy. MDAI i find allows me to do that with my boy. It's weird. I feel so part of him it's amazing!

[rosepetalman]

@anglosaxonqueen Telepathy is a normal and natural part of being human. Amazing how effective we are in suppressing it in people.

[whydoesthismattr]

@rosepetalman ikr, that used to frustrate me. now i get its all jsut a big secret cuz people dont want to be called crazy, or maybe im crazy, either way its still very real to me.

[StuckInTheSky0]

One time my lung almost collapsed, but then my vision turned into sacredgeometry and I was becoming MORE alive, So I think when we die, we are propelled into a more active energy .. like "woah"

[Frutti87]

It is quite exciting to learn that other people have had similar experiences with these things, For some reason more so when hearing and seeing it as opposed to reading about it. Lol'd so hard at Daniels encounter with the Serpent in trying to cross the stream. And a shoutout to the weird algorithm that scrambles your speech! I have encountered it many a time on both weed, shrooms and various RCs.Keep up the great work! Looking forward to the next one!

[TheRashroad]

They all belong on MK research like me

[alzico]

What interests me more than anything about psychedelics is the potential for changes to occur in the individual’s personality. Amazing light shows and incredible spiritual epiphanies are ok but if there is no measurable change in outlook, perspective or behaviour when NOT under the influence then it’s all really a load of pointless neuro masturbation. McKenna seemed to think they were integral to our evolution in their ability to 'tame' the human ego, love to hear the roundtable discuss. Cheers.

[rosepetalman]

@alzico First we'll have to discuss the measurability of outlook, perspective and behaviour. Aren't the things that are most important to us unquantifiable?

[alzico]

@rosepetalman You're quite right. Without going down the path of reductionism any kind of discussion on differences after taking psychedelics I think is of great value. Should the subject come up your own views would be greatly appreciated.

[rosepetalman]

@alzico We can probably agree that mental masturbation makes as many brainchilds as physical masturbation does physical children. And that both kinds are more common than productive kinds. Still, there are dramatic shifts. Actor Larry Hagman says his experience with LSD erased his fear of death. Ram Dass transformed from a psychologist into a yogi. There are many examples. I transformed before my experiences. Transformation is what we're hoping for.

[balancex3]

interesting



[alistairproductions]

I tried to focus, I could not stop looking at Kitterina though

[RyBread564]

spiral is cute

[FletcherHabit]

This is so great the Man will surely try and shut it down

[clearpancho]

i feel exactly what kitterina is talking about with cannibas but i have found ways around it

[clearpancho]

hell ya for ohio :)

[theliamchannel]

That was soo interesting, thankyou. Cant wait for the next one

[sharperguy]

No discussion of psilocybin?

[runrunrun1967]

Digging this!!!! 

[Esine69]

I learn to how teleport my mind all over the world in LSD. I like draw a door on the piece off paper and stare it. Finaly i can open the door and go thru it. Then i open eyes and im in the spaces i have been or they feel like real world. Like yout off body experience. Some times im afraid to lose my mind in there and can´t get back. I have allways come back but i think i lose it some day. I have notice that only happend in strong dose of acid.

[Esine69]

Some times i see swirl coming on the wall and i can go tru it. Like the drawed door. I can´t explain this how i want because my english is limited. My friends had few times scared because they haven´t get any connect to me, when this had happened.

[twanawb29]

Great video.

[brianbeat5]

This was great, I feel like I'm learning something about myself. I have opened up my pineal gland many times, and have had the basic experiences with in keeping of what others say, the the distorted vision, seeing yourself in nature, without of course those scary bad trips, with exception of a migraine. I like Spiral.

[SealClubblingsClub]

kitterirna is a dumb bimbo

[PremiumGaming]

@SealClubblingsClub i still would..

[rosepetalman]

@SealClubblingsClub Kitterina is a beautiful person. There should be more like her.

[SealClubblingsClub]

@rosepetalman More dumb bimbos? why?

[diegosandvrs]

I have taken acid like 5 times but just 1 was impressive since everything was new to me i remember looking at one place and my mouth would be open , and i felt this awesome energy while i watched everything , i remember hearing Marley and feeling the music arround me like hugging me , full of colours and the thing i remember the most and beatifully is i was watching my friend and instanly my face wa in his face and it was sparkling with a leopard skin...after that my acid experiences have been

[jjallen1976]

i experienced the samething that Krystle experienced as a worst trip on dxm except i could feel every organ in my body and suddenly it felt as if everything was shutting down. i thought i was dying because i had taking about twice as much dxm that i normally did. ive tripped hundreds of times off dxm at high doses in the last 3 years and my brain is functioning better than ever and ive actually become more healthy.

[jjallen1976]

Some people dont believe that you can experience "real" trips with dxm but Im living proof that for the most part its not harmful and you can experience extremely intense trips. I experienced telepathy and my hearing was like superhuman. i could hear people in the next apartment clear as day. im sure i was actually hearing their conversations because my gf who was not tripping said she could hear a muffled sound of the ppl talking but couldnt make out what they were saying.

[Mr420ways]

my worst trip was in 1996 i could see all my friends eyes had lazers pointing to everything they looked at, and i had a feeling that they were not friends at all i could see thru them, seen them for who they truley were,an that i was not like them ! i do not talk to any of those people any more to this day! acid {lsd} is a verry powerful TOOL! not a party drug..

[scott22v]

Im jealous, never had the chance to trip yet..

[Mr420ways]

@scott22v well bud ya missed the golden days!! the days of window pane

[09fod]

if you all wear headphones it wont echo.

[timesizwierd]

Thank you So much!!!! I LOVE YOU!!!

[rosepetalman]

@timesizwierd We love you too!

[TheSabatte]

That bad trip that Kitterina described with that intense feeling i get too! I quit because of it

[TheStreeser1]

Krystle You are a beautiful soul ,Thanks for all Your great vids!.

[Tengent]

Color trips are the best.

[Ulmdorgr]

Kitterina's experience with "rainbow bees" really intrigues me because my latest experiences have revolved around an aversion to an insect-like intelligence that I've interpreted as social instinct. It's a high frequency buzz, almost, so I tend to think, while tripping, "I FUCKING HATE BEES!" which is an over simplification (I love bees, but not wasps/hornets/etc.). Under particular substances, the insect intelligence manifests itself as neon colored strings, which "rainbow" reminds me of.

[rosepetalman]

@Ulmdorgr It's not an insect-like intelligence or social instinct. It's one of the sounds of the chakras. That you hear it is wonderful! Listen to it carefully and it will go away and you'll hear a different sound. Keep doing this. Do it every day! You can't imagine where it will take you.

[wekilledthesockpupet]

rose man @ 41:24 .

[rosepetalman]

@wekilledthesockpupet What about me @ 41:24? Did I have spinach on my teeth? I look the same.

[SpiralK88]

@rosepetalman you dance :)

[rosepetalman]

@SpiralK88 Video recorder can't keep up with large moves. Too many deltas!

[raindrops4skulls]

Daniel has never really had a bad trip? what a lucky bastard! im just like krystle, im always praying the trip will be ok. anxiety and psychedelics are a weird thing...

[raindrops4skulls]

i dont know about kitterina and spiral.... 

[thepillsofhappiness]

damn. only 10- 15% IS real??? by those odds i've probably never done lsd

[rosepetalman]

@thepillsofhappiness You're probably right! And you're not alone in that. And like I said, nothing else measures up.

[PremiumGaming]

Thumbs for who else wants to see me, krystle, kitterina, and spiral in a foursome for the next roundtable 'discussion' ;)

[az92723]

"My entire experience was waiting for the massage and puking" LOL omg that was hilarious

[az92723]

Yay these are fun =)

[Fuckingflesheater]

Rose man looks like a freak

[youdevil6]

@Fuckingflesheater so?

[rosepetalman]

@Fuckingflesheater Of course, he's a freak! That's why he's there! Try to understand. At least he's not a flesh eater. :P

[p0ison1vy]

did she say rainbow bees?

[rosepetalman]

@p0ison1vy IMO, she said "rainbow beings". Not rainbow beads, not rainbow bees, but rainbow beings. Beings are more common in DMT experiences.

[Kitterina]

@rosepetalman Actually, they presented themselves to me as bees. ^-^ They were huge and most of their forms below their heads just flowed into the streaming rainbows all around.

[rosepetalman]

@Kitterina Oh! Thanks for clearing that up. It's just occurred to me now as I type that a few weeks ago as I began to send energy for healing to a friend, I saw a bee's head behind my closed eyes! At the time, I couldn't imagine the connection. Now I'm remembering your vid in which you spoke of drawing on them during Reiki.

[RICARDOLOCO13]

Psychedelics are a learning guide to yourself. All trips, i believe, are a lesson so a bad trip is a good thing. My best/worst trip was when i saw my self. I was the observer of my unconscious mind when i was meditatin, but i was seeing my negative side, the side i was in denial with. I cried for 30mins because i hated what i saw and wanted to change as a person. Soon after i saw myself i went to my mom and my sister and i hugged them and told them i loved them unconditionally, and kept crying.

[rosepetalman]

@RICARDOLOCO13 The good thing of this 'bad trip' is: You know what you need to change. Never give up!

[RICARDOLOCO13]

@rosepetalman After the trip i changed completely as an individual. More alive, more positive and loving toward everything. Those negative sides of me were just poisons to the body, a drug for the ego. Im a changed man haha:)

[rosepetalman]

@RICARDOLOCO13 Good for you! Big congrats!

[WelcometoLockerz]

kitterina is cute

[RICARDOLOCO13]

"it didnt sell for shit" LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHA. Love it

[MyNameIsIdell]

My best trip was when I experienced telepathy as well :)

[NeuroSoup]

I have a recorder that does 2 video feeds really well, but 5 feeds is a bit too much for mu computer to process. So, the voices sometimes lag behind the video. I tried to edit it to match the best I could. Thanks for your patience :-)

[eeH1t]

@NeuroSoup how old were u when u tryed your first drug and wat was it?

[brentpieczynski]

@NeuroSoup I am glad you made an effort to keep things synchronized, thank-you for the effort.