@ela1191 Fairly high, But I would say he is below Bronn and The Flaming sword guy whose name escapes me. Oh, and The dancing master beats him by a long shot
@flamevizier You mean Littlefinger knew, not Renly knew. In the books, it is generally known at court that Renly and Loras are lovers, and Littlefinger does not make these silly adolescent innuendos. It seems the screenwriters want to make sure that even the most clueless viewer gets that Renly and Loras are lovers. The script is written by straight men who cater to a mostly straight, mostly clueless, mostly adolescent-minded audience.
@tonby Yeah, while Gregor spearing a squire in the throat was fine, killing Loras Tyrell would likely cost him his head by the demands of the Tyrells of Highgarden or start a war.
SPOILER:----------------------------------------------Nothing can survive the poison and the damage that the viper inflict him.If Mountain survive, it'll be few realistic, He'll be like a Jason in Friday 13th.I can't understant in game of thrones bad guys aralmost immortal, and the good ones die easily(except lord Beric)I think George Martin don' exploited the potential of the character the red viper.
@donpaulwalnuts That's gunna be in season 4 dude, they're making the 3rd book into 2 seasons because its so big haha. And that fights in the 2nd half of the book.
That's certainly correct, but fair play is fair play. You don't get to bend the rules and act dishonourably because your opponent is a scumbag. Again, yes I know what Gregor did on the same tournament and in general, but that's not the point.
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What an ABSURD notion that this "Knight of the Flowers," an all-out FLOATER, FANOOK and FAGGIT, could possibly unseat a real man like The Mountain. This is obviously the work of gay activists trying to make it seem plausible that a homosexual could excel at combat arts, much like cocksuckers and their advocates try to claim there are gay players in the NFL and MLB, traditional bastions of staunch heterosexuality. As Sean Hannity notes, fags are ineffectual at sports and manly pursuits.
@BreakinPark oh ok I only read like 150 or so pages of the first book (beginning and ending). Finished the 2nd book a couple days ago. Now reading the 3rd book.
@Chumbyry It's pretty strongly implied, though the show certainly takes a more direct approach. Not really in of itself a bad thing, as some of GoT's best moments aren't even in the books; Jaime and Tywin's exchange comes to mind, as well as Cersi and Robert's own private and frank conversation.
@1banders How could Sansa, an 11-year old child who's never even had a conversation with Ser Loras, possibly know what he would or wouldn't do? This dialog is lame.
@1banders I thought much the same. I wouldn't say that the dialogue is lame, but rather that it sounds like the stupid remark of a stupid eleven-year-old who is in love with her hero, even though she knows nothing of him. I always regarded Sansa as quite stupid for the first three books.
@CrazyOctopus123 The book version is quite different: Littlefinger didn't have these stupid chats /w Renly & Sansa. When Loras rode in, he wore a cloak woven /w 100s of real forget-me-nots, and Sansa said, "Oh, he's so BEAUTIFUL." When the Mountain fell, it was the Hound, not Renly, who laughed. AFTER the joust, Littlefinger said, "Tyrell had to know the mare was in heat. I swear the boy planned the whole thing." Ser Barristan, not the 11-year old Sansa, said, "There is small honor in tricks."
@Hatzi89 By that logic, everyone in his family, including his father, mother, brothers and sister must be gay, since the sigil of their House a golden rose on a grass-green.
But seriously though, I love this scene cause it's one of the few heartwarming moments in Game of Thrones. If you read the book, nobody expected Sandor to come rushing to Loras's aid, it took them all by surprise.
@PsTwoKnight Book: But as Gregor lifted his sword for the killing blow, a rasping voice [Sandor] warned, “Leave him [Loras] be,” and a steel-clad hand [Sandor's] wrenched him away from the boy.
Sandor could not have wrenched Gregor away from Loras without *someone* seeing him "come rushing to Loras's aid." So how did you conclude "it took them all by surprise"? Where did you read that? How did you reach that conclusion?
@1banders Did I say Sandor turned invisible when he went to help Loras? I don't believe I did. But since you felt the need to involve the text: "“I am no ser,” the Hound replied, but he took the victory, and the champion’s purse, and, for perhaps the first time in his life, the love of the commons. They cheered him as he left the lists to return to his pavilion."
Notice "for the first time"? Gave me the impression that Sandor doesn't do stuff like this very often if at all.
@PsTwoKnight I’m certain I didn’t say you said that.
According to the quote, Sandor “took“ (not received) the love of the commons --- meaning he *acknowledged*, perhaps with a slight nod or a bow, their cheers (for saving one of their tournament favorites) --- for perhaps the first time in his life. The quote implies nothing about Sandor’s general reputation among the commons, either before or after he saved Loras. Nor does it imply that they thought he was acting in or out of character.
@1banders You just said that while it was Sansa's chapter, it wasn't Sansa's narration. If that's the case, then "for perhaps the first time in his life, the love of the commons" is from an objective third person. And if the text doesn't support my argument, then it certainly doesn't imply they'd cheer for Sandor simply because he saved a tourney favorite, so your argument is just as much speculation as mine then.
@PsTwoKnight "He took...for perhaps the first time in his life, the love of the commons. They cheered him..." , comes from the narrator, not an 11-year old girl who surely knows nothing of Sandor's life. It does not mean "he had...for perhaps the first time in his life, the love of the commons." took=acknowledged. "love of commons"= their cheers.
Book 4: "...even here we would hear tell of [Sandor's] deeds, both good and ill...he did not love, nor was he loved."
@1banders And since you said I my "remarks" were rebuffed, let me remind you all I did was say how this was probably one of the nicer moments in Ice and Fire. YOU were the one who started the argument here:
Sandor could not have wrenched Gregor away from Loras without *someone* seeing him "come rushing to Loras's aid." So how did you conclude "it took them all by surprise"? Where did you read that? How did you reach that conclusion?
When I first read your original comment, I thought you meant that the MANNER in which Sandor came to Loras's aid, as opposed to the fact that he came to his aid, was a surprise to the spectators at the tournament.
But the quote you pulled does not imply anything about Sandor's general reputation with the commons, either before or after he saved Loras. Nor does it imply that the commons considered his actions to be out of character,
@1banders If Sansa's narration was any clue, the common people didn't think very well of Sandor until he defended Sir Loras, so I fail to see how him doing such WASN'T a surprise to them. And let's not get into how Westeros feels about kinslaying, which Sandor might have done before Robert ordered them to stop. Now I've answered your question, may I continue enjoying the videos if that's alright with you?
Now if it's alright with you, can I keep enjoying the video?
@PsTwoKnight Sansa's narration? Your quote comes from the narrative in a chapter called “Sansa“, but Sansa isn’t doing the narrative.
The quote implies nothing whatsoever about Sandor’s general reputation among the commons. (Later we read, "[he] was not loved.") Nor does it imply they thought his act of saving Loras was in or out of character. He had a reputation as a fierce fighter. And the commons would cheer anyone would saved one of their tournament favorites, e.g., Loras or Renly.
...you can actually see how Sandor "took [acknowledged]...for perhaps the first time in his life, the love of the commons [their cheers]", with a slight nod/bow.
Fuck when I saw this scene in the Series, before reading the books, I thought: that big bad black rider is gonna send this metrosexual pretty man back to wherever Boy George video he came from, The Mountain all the way ! ahahahaha then I read the books and hated Clegane and worshipped Loras lols irony, thou are such a heartless bitch
Gregor Clegane is the one man in westeros I wouldn't want to face. He's so big that his armor is thicker than most so it be hard to get through... Not to mention he is actually a good fighter...
@DOPOW9419 Because the viper was overconfident, he was playing the mouse and the cat all the fight, because he wanted a public confession of the crimes the mountain did it to his family .He impalled the mountain on the floor with his spear, and in this moment the mountain could stabb him, when the viper weith the mountain's sword in the hand was going to give him the coup de grâce
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@taufiqsun Loras' horse is an attractive female horse and he chose the horse because he knew it would distract Gregor's horny stallion and unbalance him as a result
@MadPutz I suspect that most English language speakers would say "mare in heat" rather than "attractive female horse." Any mare in heat is a babe to a stallion.
Anyone think this actor is making Ser Loras seem like somewhat of a pussy? I don't like his look and the way he is rolling on the ground crying is not what the Knight of Flowers would do if attacked. For the most part, the casting for Game of Thrones have been impeccable, (Tywin, Tyrion, Littlefinger, Catelyn, Robb, Arya, Joffrey, the list goes on and on), but the Knight of Flowers is a letdown. He will have a more prominent role as the series goes on, so hopefully, they change it for the better
Does everyone know that Renly and Loras are together? Or just Littlefinger? Is that exactly excepted in the time their in? How does it go in the books? Being gay is totally cool?
@ChirpingLlama It is not well shown as in the series I believe, though rumours do go around..or so I recall, I'm finishing the third book, Too much info so it keeps kinda hard to remember smaller things like thoose.
Loras cried like a bitch when Brienne took him down. He's well casted, in fact. The issue is that they made RENLY much weaker than he should be. In the book he was a tough guy, a little Robert, in the show because he's gay he became some little weasel coward.
Loras has always been a self-important little shit (as revealed when he became a kingsguard and Jaime was like 'Whatever, bro') and he always will be one... albeit crispy.
Loras cried like a bitch when Brienne took him down. He's well casted, in fact. The issue is that they made RENLY much weaker than he should be. In the book he was a tough guy, a little Robert, in the show because he's gay he became some little weasel coward.
Loras has always been a self-important little shit (as revealed when he became a kingsguard and Jaime was like 'Whatever, bro') and he always will be one... albeit crispy.
@lethargistic Loras is 16-years old. How would you expect a 16-year old to act?
When Brienne took who down?
Book Renly looks just like his brother Robert did when he was young.
"He [Renly] was the handsomest man Sansa had ever set eyes upon; tall and powerfully made, with jet-black hair that fell to his shoulders and framed a clean-shaven face, and laughing green eyes to match his armor."
@1banders Instead of raging on for like a page, you should read what you're responding to.
1) Loras' reaction was that of a child, Robb is younger than him and is more manly. Fact. Loras is just a headstrong jackass, it's a character trait that turns him into bacon.
2) Brienne took Loras down during the tournament for Renly. She "tricked" him which Loras declared when she was made a member of the Rainbowguard.
3) Renly in the BOOK is a mini-Robert. Renly in the SHOW is a little bitch.
@lethargistic Brienne did NOT "take him [Loras] down." They crashed down to the ground TOGETHER, with bone-jarring force. Loras, on the bottom, took the brunt of the force and was so stunned by the impact that his eyes were unfocused. When Brienne flicked open his visor with her dirk, he YIELDED.
It was NOT Loras who said Brienne had tricked him. It was a drunken archer who complained, “That were no proper unhorsing. A vile trick, pulling the lad down.”
@1banders I've come to realize that you argue because you're just new to the fandom and want to seem informed. Brienne DID take him down. She grabbed hold of Loras and BROUGHT HIM DOWN. She literally took him down from his horse. I am 100% correct in what I said.
You are 100% incorrect in trying to correct me.
Loras, however, begrudged her the victory, which was later mocked because he had used a mare in heat to defeat Gregor.
@lethargistic Wrong. "...suddenly the two were grappling mount-to-mount, and an instant later THEY WERE FALLING. As their horses pulled apart, [Brienne and Loras] crashed to the ground with bone-jarring force. Loras Tyrell, on the bottom, took the brunt of the impact. [Brienne] pulled a long dirk free and flicked open Tyrell’s visor. The roar of the crowd was too loud for Catelyn to hear what Ser Loras said, but she saw the word form on his split, bloody lips. YIELD."
@lethargistic “You[Brienne] are all your lord father claimed you were.” Renly’s voice carried over the field. “I’ve seen Ser Loras unhorsed once or twice . . . but never quite in that fashion.” “That were no proper unhorsing,” complained a drunken archer nearby, a Tyrell rose sewn on his jerkin. “A vile trick, pulling the lad down.”
Now show me the evidence that Loras "begrudged her the victory". Mocked by whom?
A Storm of Swords, page 974 (I think). Jaime is speaking with Loras and Loras remarks that she only won because she cheated. Jaime replies that he recalls when [Loras] cheated against the Mountain. Loras flusters and trails off.
Yeah, you're wrong and I'm right. This is what fairweather fans like you get: shitted on.
1) On p.974 (paperback) in A Storm of Swords, Oberyn, acting as Tyrion's champion, is fighting Gregor. 2) Using my Kindle to search volumes 1-4 for "cheated", I found no reference where Loras or Jamie uses that word. 3) There's no evidence that Loras "cheated against the Mountain." That is simply your childish misinterpetation of the events at the Hand's Tournament. Outwitting is not "cheating."
@lethargistic Then you claimed Loras said Brienne "only won because she cheated," and offered as proof his statement that she "won the melee with a trick."
But a "trick" is not "cheating,." Cheating is breaking rules. But the contest was a melee, which has no rules.
Loras goes on to say, "She won, I grant her that. His Grace [Renly] put a rainbow cloak around her shoulders."
Had she cheated, Renly would not have declared her the winner.
@lethargistic So contrary to what you've claimed, Loras did not say Brienne "won the melee by cheating" (which is an oxymoron). Nor is there any evidence that Loras "cried like a bitch when she took him down. On the contrary, he YIELDED. And they went down together /w Loras underneath. As Renly noted: “I’ve seen Ser Loras unhorsed once or twice . . . but never quite in that fashion.”
@1banders Yikes, stop using words you don't understand. First, there is nothing oxymoronic about saying "won by cheating". Most people that cheat end up winning because of it.
-Yielding- doesn't deny that someone is upset, it only shows that they don't want to be killed/hurt further.
As the Jaime and Loras conversation clearly states (as I said), Loras took umbrage with that despite yielding (which you claim means he cannot feel she was deceitful) and brought it up instantly.
You're ORIGINAL claim was that Loras "cried like a bitch when Brienne took him down," not that he was merely "upset" or "took umbrage." You've not produced a shred of evidence to support your claim. He did not "cry like a bitch" or make any other kind of demonstration or protest. He simply YIELDED.
There was nothing "deceitful" in her so-called "trick" of holding on to him as their horses pulled apart, bringing them BOTH down.
@1banders Honestly, please. Just give up. Now you're saying how you interpret it, not how Loras states it to be. He clearly states that she used a trick as a means of undermining her achievement to Jaime: "she only won because she did something tricky/underhanded". Loras was crying like a bitch over it, whining and pathetic.
I'm doing responding to you because you're just wrong and don't know how to admit it. It's a great series, but you don't know it as well as you think you do, kid!
@lethargistic J: I still have Brienne of Tarth in a tower cell.
L: A black cell would be better.
J: You are certain that’s what she deserves?
L: She deserves death. I told Renly that a woman had no place in the Rainbow Guard. She won the mêlée with a trick.
J: ...What sort of trickery did Brienne use?”
L: She leapt . . . it makes no matter. She won, I grant her that. His Grace put a rainbow cloak around her shoulders. And she killed him. Or let him die.
@lethargistic Clearly, Loras is not upset over how she won, for as he said, "It doesn't matter." What did matter to him is that because she won, Renly granted her request to make her his Kingsguard, and then (Loras assumes) she killed him or let him die.
Clearly, what Loras was upset about is not how Brienne won the mêlée, but that because she won Renly granted her request to be made a Kingsguard, sworn to protect him, and then either killed him or let him die:
JAMIE: What sort of trickery did Brienne use?
LORAS: She leapt . . . it makes no matter. She won, I grant her that. His Grace put a rainbow cloak around her shoulders. And she killed him. Or let him die.
@lethargistic I didn't say "won by cheating" is an oxymoron. I said 'Loras did not say Brienne "won the melee by cheating" (which is an oxymoron).' Cheating involves breaking rules in order to win. A mêlée has no rules. Furthermore, King Renly would not have declared Brienne the winner had she cheated. Hence, your notion that Brienne won the mêlée by cheating is an oxymoron.
@1banders I'm sure you think you are an informed... whatever you are, but you're not. The only thing I had wrong is the when, not the what, and that's because some of us read this -before- the TV show came out.
"Trickery" and "cheating" are also synonymous. Semantic arguments are just more grasping at straws. Again, it's just what happens when someone like you who is a fly-by fan decides to declare he knows everything.
@lethargistic Cheating is breaking rules to win. No rules were broken. It doesn't matter how you unhorse your opponent. The so-called trick Brienne used to unhorse Loras was nothing more than wrenching his axe from his hand, which led to both of them crashing to the ground "with bone-jarring force." Loras, "on the bottom, took the brunt of the impact."
Clearly, you've been wrong about what, when & semantics since we began. You got it wrong. You need to grow up. You need to move on.
@lethargistic It is not "grasping at straws" to point out that unhorsing your opponent in a melee by use of the so-called "trick" of wrenching his axe from his hand is not "cheating," Had Brienne "cheated", as you naively put it, King Renly would not have declared her the winner.
Whether I read the books before or after the show is irrelevant. All that matters is that I read them, and that, unlike you, I actually understood what I read.
RENLY to BRIENNE: “I’ve seen Ser Loras unhorsed once or twice . . . but never quite in that fashion...As champion, you may ask of me any boon that you desire. If it lies in my power, it is yours.”
Had she "cheated", as you have naively claimed, surely Renly would not have declared her champion.
@1banders Lmao, wow. You go on a ranting spree when you're proven wrong. I'll admit I lied when I said I was done posting but damn, I didn't know you'd go all out with nonsense. You also keep misquoting the section.
LORAS: A black cell... she won the melee by a trick.
JAIME: I seem to recall [you doing the same].
LORAS: (Flustered) She leapt...
He was stating that what she did was unfair. Also, melees have rules. I don't know where you got otherwise from. And your statement that (con't)
@lethargistic The text quotes in my posts prove YOU'RE the one whose wrong,
I abbreviated Jamie's remarks ("...What sort of trickery did Brienne use?”) to save space. Otherwise, the quote was accurate. The words I left out to not alter the meaning.
Loras did not "state" that anything was unfair.
I challenge you to name the rule that Brienne broke to win this melee.
@lethargistic You're claiming Loras was "upset" about HOW she won the melee. But if you'd bother to read (and try to comprehend) the section I quoted, you'd see that he's not "upset" about HOW she won (Loras later states "it makes no matter" !!!), but that BECAUSE she won, Renly granted her request to make her a Kingsguard, and yet she (Loras assumes) killed him or let him die. How can you be so dense not to see this?
@1banders (con't) someone cannot cheat if they are declared a winner. Are you... retarded? People CHEAT in order to WIN, that's why you do it. Of course someone can cheat and win, there's no oxymoron inherent within that. I'm going to assume English isn't your first language.
Anyway, I'm done with you. Loras was huffy because Brienne beat him by using a trick (see: cheating), and was called out on it as I said (by Jaime).
@lethargistic Are you retarded? You win by cheating ONLY if you're not caught! Everyone, including King Renly saw how Brienne unhorsed Loras. A drunken archer blurted "that were no proper unhorsing..a vile trick, pulling the lad down." Yet no one but YOU claims she cheated!
@lethargistic You can win by cheating ONLY if you don't get get caught. The judge of the melee, King Renly, saw exactly how Brienne unhorsed Loras, and yet declared her champion. The oxymoron is the notion of winning a melee -- essentially a contest without rules -- by cheating, i.e, breaking rules. If you want to argue that a melee has rules, then tell me what rule Brienne broke. Explain, how she cheated and got away with it.
Loras cried like a bitch when Brienne took him down. He's well casted, in fact. The issue is that they made RENLY much weaker than he should be. In the book he was a tough guy, a little Robert, in the show because he's gay he became some little weasel coward.
Loras has always been a self-important little shit (as revealed when he became a kingsguard and Jaime was like 'Whatever, bro') and he always will be one... albeit crispy.
Where would the Hound rank in characters skilled with a blade?
ela1191 2 days ago
@ela1191 Fairly high, But I would say he is below Bronn and The Flaming sword guy whose name escapes me. Oh, and The dancing master beats him by a long shot
BBCamerican123 15 hours ago
@BBCamerican123 all my opinion though
BBCamerican123 15 hours ago
Gregor Clegane. What a fucki'n huge troll. Where did they get that son of a bitch???
Hellvard 1 week ago
The Mountain is really shortened down in the show compared to the books...
DaveyBoy1337 1 week ago
@DaveyBoy1337yeah in the books he's close to eight feet tall
h8rhugr 1 week ago
1:43 ohh crap, i didnt catch that the first time. Renly knew they were gay for each other lol, sly snake
flamevizier 1 week ago
@flamevizier You mean Littlefinger knew, not Renly knew. In the books, it is generally known at court that Renly and Loras are lovers, and Littlefinger does not make these silly adolescent innuendos. It seems the screenwriters want to make sure that even the most clueless viewer gets that Renly and Loras are lovers. The script is written by straight men who cater to a mostly straight, mostly clueless, mostly adolescent-minded audience.
1banders 6 days ago
@1banders yes I ment petyr, no need to write a whole essay about it. Honest mistake
flamevizier 5 days ago
@flamevizier I think he has Aspergers, no joke. :|
lethargistic 5 days ago
@flamevizier I know you meant Littlefinger. Did I not state, "You mean Littlefinger knew, not Renly knew."?
The remainder of my post went beyond what you meant. It's called commentary.
1banders 5 days ago
Renly: Such a shame, Littlefinger. It'd be so nice for you to have a friend!
Petyr: And tell me Lord Renly, when will you be having YOUR friend?
Owned.
puenboy1 1 week ago
PETA must love this show
Xdeser1 1 week ago
"Don't worry, I won't let Ser Gregor hurt him....up here from my comfortable seat. Oh look, that horse is dead."
tonby 2 weeks ago 2
@tonby Yeah, while Gregor spearing a squire in the throat was fine, killing Loras Tyrell would likely cost him his head by the demands of the Tyrells of Highgarden or start a war.
puenboy1 1 week ago
SPOILER:----------------------------------------------Nothing can survive the poison and the damage that the viper inflict him.If Mountain survive, it'll be few realistic, He'll be like a Jason in Friday 13th.I can't understant in game of thrones bad guys aralmost immortal, and the good ones die easily(except lord Beric)I think George Martin don' exploited the potential of the character the red viper.
Sejanus 2 weeks ago
any horse waw injured during... fuck...
APERCUPETO 2 weeks ago
they shhould be bigger
IBeJin 2 weeks ago
Lawl, I love Littlefinger's jab at Renly. XD "And when will you be having your friend?" -smug little bow-
BlackFluteChance 2 weeks ago
Wow, never fuck around with Sean Bean before his death-scene D:<
nocturnGER 2 weeks ago
Ned: Ser Loras rides well
Renly: You know that's right
Theriot6592 2 weeks ago
God, Littlefinger was cast perfectly. His smiles are so goddamn smug and arrogant.
:>>>>>>>>>>>>
CaptainPengu 3 weeks ago
the mountain vs the red viper
RonnieRimjob 1 month ago
@RonnieRimjob I can't wait to see the mountain vs the red viper in season 3.
donpaulwalnuts 4 weeks ago 23
@donpaulwalnuts That's gunna be in season 4 dude, they're making the 3rd book into 2 seasons because its so big haha. And that fights in the 2nd half of the book.
DOPOW9419 2 weeks ago
@donpaulwalnuts Fuck yeah
Phuuer 2 weeks ago
@donpaulwalnuts That's gonna be season 4, unfortunately...
puenboy1 1 week ago
There is one thing I dont understand...Why does Sandor care about Loras Tyrell. Or is it just to made Gregor angry?
Badjokemaker 1 month ago
@Badjokemaker As i understand (from people who read the books) he wanted to kill his brother cause of their past.
Premoguys 4 weeks ago
@Premoguys Yeah thats right. But Is that the reason he saved Tyrells Life? Whatever. Great show, magnificent books
Badjokemaker 4 weeks ago
@Badjokemaker Sandor doesn't care about Loras, he just sees his brother as the monster that he is and hates him for it.
EpicMike7 3 weeks ago
Its a shame they couldnt use CGI or something to make The Mountain look bigger... :(
aquanaut145 1 month ago
@aquanaut145 he's already huge
rayblack2004 1 month ago
@rayblack2004 Not huge enough, hes supposed to be 8 feet tall. :(
aquanaut145 4 weeks ago
Look at the short gold cloak to the right when Greggor stomps off. I didn't know Tyrion Lannister was in the kings guard.
TheSlevinCalevra 1 month ago
TBH, I would let Gregor kill that little mofo. What kind of an asshole would use such a low trick?
onemoreturn 1 month ago
@onemoreturn if youd read the books you'd know ser Gregor is the definition of scumbag and deserves a slow and painful death
AwesomeO2k10 1 month ago
@AwesomeO2k10
That's certainly correct, but fair play is fair play. You don't get to bend the rules and act dishonourably because your opponent is a scumbag. Again, yes I know what Gregor did on the same tournament and in general, but that's not the point.
onemoreturn 1 month ago
@AwesomeO2k10 he will
halofable574 1 month ago
@AwesomeO2k10 By poison xD
Sejanus 2 weeks ago
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What an ABSURD notion that this "Knight of the Flowers," an all-out FLOATER, FANOOK and FAGGIT, could possibly unseat a real man like The Mountain. This is obviously the work of gay activists trying to make it seem plausible that a homosexual could excel at combat arts, much like cocksuckers and their advocates try to claim there are gay players in the NFL and MLB, traditional bastions of staunch heterosexuality. As Sean Hannity notes, fags are ineffectual at sports and manly pursuits.
GozerTheGozerian 1 month ago
@GozerTheGozerian Bro you're an ineffectual troll - stop trying so hard.
MadPutz 1 month ago 3
@MadPutz That may be true, and I may be out of practice, but you're a cuntbiscuit for using the words "bro" and "ineffectual."
GozerTheGozerian 1 month ago
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@MadPutz That may be true, and I may be out of practice, but you're a cuntbiscuit for using the words "bro" and "ineffectual."
GozerTheGozerian 1 month ago
@GozerTheGozerian Nice try troll but your a little too obvious. Be more subtle next time okay?
Adamazeroni 3 weeks ago
Yarp
HCTFuzz722 1 month ago
Does littlefinger know Loras and Renly is gay?
yellowman88 1 month ago
@yellowman88 No such thing was mentioned in the first book.
BreakinPark 1 month ago
@BreakinPark oh ok I only read like 150 or so pages of the first book (beginning and ending). Finished the 2nd book a couple days ago. Now reading the 3rd book.
yellowman88 1 month ago
@yellowman88 no
Mahir33Cayan 1 month ago
fuckin sansa
equallyeasilyfuqyou 1 month ago
0:35 : is that banner incorrect? i remember clegane's house coat of arms is a 3 headed dog? not 1 headed?
redcodec 1 month ago
@redcodec No, there sigil is 3 dogs on a yellow field.
theduckchick 1 month ago
@theduckchick : ah yes! but that ain't no 3 dogs!
redcodec 1 month ago
@redcodec it's actually 3 dogs
CulinVlau 1 month ago
wow from the books i never got that renly was gay
Chumbyry 1 month ago
@Chumbyry It's pretty strongly implied, though the show certainly takes a more direct approach. Not really in of itself a bad thing, as some of GoT's best moments aren't even in the books; Jaime and Tywin's exchange comes to mind, as well as Cersi and Robert's own private and frank conversation.
F0rr0r 1 month ago
SWORD!
FallenTemplar1405 1 month ago
Sansa is of the mind that all knights are heros who live by a code of conduct
seaniehay 1 month ago
@seaniehay She grows out of it, though...
AL2VAR 1 month ago
More like Knight of the FABULOUS!!!
ornjoos 1 month ago
What does Littlefinger say to Sansa exactly? I know its something about cheating with Gregor's horse.
CrazyOctopus123 1 month ago
@CrazyOctopus123 LITTLEFINGER: Loras knew his mare was in heat. Quite crafty, really.
SANSA: Ser Loras would never do that. There's no honor in tricks!
LITTLEFINGER: No honor and quite a bit of gold.
1banders 1 month ago
@1banders How could Sansa, an 11-year old child who's never even had a conversation with Ser Loras, possibly know what he would or wouldn't do? This dialog is lame.
1banders 1 month ago
@1banders I thought much the same. I wouldn't say that the dialogue is lame, but rather that it sounds like the stupid remark of a stupid eleven-year-old who is in love with her hero, even though she knows nothing of him. I always regarded Sansa as quite stupid for the first three books.
OKB74U 1 month ago
@OKB74U But at this point in the story, 11-year old Sansa thinks she's in love with 12-year old Joffrey. And she's very naive.
1banders 1 month ago
@1banders I don't mean that kind of love. I mean love like you love a certain actor or actress or singer. Sansa is a fan of Loras and crazy for him.
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@CrazyOctopus123 The book version is quite different: Littlefinger didn't have these stupid chats /w Renly & Sansa. When Loras rode in, he wore a cloak woven /w 100s of real forget-me-nots, and Sansa said, "Oh, he's so BEAUTIFUL." When the Mountain fell, it was the Hound, not Renly, who laughed. AFTER the joust, Littlefinger said, "Tyrell had to know the mare was in heat. I swear the boy planned the whole thing." Ser Barristan, not the 11-year old Sansa, said, "There is small honor in tricks."
1banders 1 month ago
honestly, was anyone suprised that a guy who calls himself "knight od the flowers" was gay?
Hatzi89 1 month ago
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@Hatzi89 By that logic, everyone in his family, including his father, mother, brothers and sister must be gay, since the sigil of their House a golden rose on a grass-green.
1banders 1 month ago
@Hatzi89 Well, the Flower is the symbol of his House so that probably was enough for most folk.
Joining "The Rainbow Guard" should've been a big clue...
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@lethargistic As the text shows, you can't even correctly recall the events of the story. You're the one with a "tenuous grasp."
Exactly how are those characters "better" in the show? What standard did you apply to decide which is better?
I'm sure you could go on and on, ad nauseam, offering strongly worded opinions.
But your strongly worded opinions are still only your opinions.
You, sir, are 100% delusional.
1banders 1 month ago
1:44 ownage
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1banders 1 month ago
"And tell me, Lord Renly, when will you be having your friend?"
The script writers must think the audience is stupid. That line is so forced. Terrible writing.
Most of the dialog in this scene never happened in the books.
1banders 2 months ago
@1banders The show is not repeating the book. It improves in some places and is worse in others. Just read the books if you dislike that.
lethargistic 2 months ago
But seriously though, I love this scene cause it's one of the few heartwarming moments in Game of Thrones. If you read the book, nobody expected Sandor to come rushing to Loras's aid, it took them all by surprise.
PsTwoKnight 2 months ago
@PsTwoKnight Book: But as Gregor lifted his sword for the killing blow, a rasping voice [Sandor] warned, “Leave him [Loras] be,” and a steel-clad hand [Sandor's] wrenched him away from the boy.
Sandor could not have wrenched Gregor away from Loras without *someone* seeing him "come rushing to Loras's aid." So how did you conclude "it took them all by surprise"? Where did you read that? How did you reach that conclusion?
1banders 2 months ago
@1banders Did I say Sandor turned invisible when he went to help Loras? I don't believe I did. But since you felt the need to involve the text: "“I am no ser,” the Hound replied, but he took the victory, and the champion’s purse, and, for perhaps the first time in his life, the love of the commons. They cheered him as he left the lists to return to his pavilion."
Notice "for the first time"? Gave me the impression that Sandor doesn't do stuff like this very often if at all.
PsTwoKnight 2 months ago
@PsTwoKnight I’m certain I didn’t say you said that.
According to the quote, Sandor “took“ (not received) the love of the commons --- meaning he *acknowledged*, perhaps with a slight nod or a bow, their cheers (for saving one of their tournament favorites) --- for perhaps the first time in his life. The quote implies nothing about Sandor’s general reputation among the commons, either before or after he saved Loras. Nor does it imply that they thought he was acting in or out of character.
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@1banders You just said that while it was Sansa's chapter, it wasn't Sansa's narration. If that's the case, then "for perhaps the first time in his life, the love of the commons" is from an objective third person. And if the text doesn't support my argument, then it certainly doesn't imply they'd cheer for Sandor simply because he saved a tourney favorite, so your argument is just as much speculation as mine then.
PsTwoKnight 2 months ago
@PsTwoKnight "He took...for perhaps the first time in his life, the love of the commons. They cheered him..." , comes from the narrator, not an 11-year old girl who surely knows nothing of Sandor's life. It does not mean "he had...for perhaps the first time in his life, the love of the commons." took=acknowledged. "love of commons"= their cheers.
Book 4: "...even here we would hear tell of [Sandor's] deeds, both good and ill...he did not love, nor was he loved."
1banders 2 months ago
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@1banders And since you said I my "remarks" were rebuffed, let me remind you all I did was say how this was probably one of the nicer moments in Ice and Fire. YOU were the one who started the argument here:
Sandor could not have wrenched Gregor away from Loras without *someone* seeing him "come rushing to Loras's aid." So how did you conclude "it took them all by surprise"? Where did you read that? How did you reach that conclusion?
You came off condescending first.
PsTwoKnight 2 months ago
@PsTwoKnight I didn't reach any such conclusion.
When I first read your original comment, I thought you meant that the MANNER in which Sandor came to Loras's aid, as opposed to the fact that he came to his aid, was a surprise to the spectators at the tournament.
But the quote you pulled does not imply anything about Sandor's general reputation with the commons, either before or after he saved Loras. Nor does it imply that the commons considered his actions to be out of character,
1banders 2 months ago
@1banders If Sansa's narration was any clue, the common people didn't think very well of Sandor until he defended Sir Loras, so I fail to see how him doing such WASN'T a surprise to them. And let's not get into how Westeros feels about kinslaying, which Sandor might have done before Robert ordered them to stop. Now I've answered your question, may I continue enjoying the videos if that's alright with you?
Now if it's alright with you, can I keep enjoying the video?
PsTwoKnight 2 months ago
@PsTwoKnight Sansa's narration? Your quote comes from the narrative in a chapter called “Sansa“, but Sansa isn’t doing the narrative.
The quote implies nothing whatsoever about Sandor’s general reputation among the commons. (Later we read, "[he] was not loved.") Nor does it imply they thought his act of saving Loras was in or out of character. He had a reputation as a fierce fighter. And the commons would cheer anyone would saved one of their tournament favorites, e.g., Loras or Renly.
1banders 2 months ago
@PsTwoKnight Now that I’ve rebutted your remarks, you may continue enjoying the videos.
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@PsTwoKnight In this YouTube video ...
/watch?v=DZAqUHrJLJU
...you can actually see how Sandor "took [acknowledged]...for perhaps the first time in his life, the love of the commons [their cheers]", with a slight nod/bow.
1banders 2 months ago
@PsTwoKnight How maudlin. You misunderstood what you read.
1banders 2 months ago
this is my favorite scene in season 1 this and the scene where ned denounces the mountain and strips him of his titles
cksh8984 2 months ago
Fuck when I saw this scene in the Series, before reading the books, I thought: that big bad black rider is gonna send this metrosexual pretty man back to wherever Boy George video he came from, The Mountain all the way ! ahahahaha then I read the books and hated Clegane and worshipped Loras lols irony, thou are such a heartless bitch
wattoucheng 2 months ago
Gregor Clegane is the one man in westeros I wouldn't want to face. He's so big that his armor is thicker than most so it be hard to get through... Not to mention he is actually a good fighter...
negima3210 2 months ago
@negima3210 Red Viper kick his ass
Sejanus 2 weeks ago
@Sejanus Red Viper rules. He is the best.
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@Sejanus Haha, then why does he get killed by Gregor?
DOPOW9419 1 week ago
@DOPOW9419 Because the viper was overconfident, he was playing the mouse and the cat all the fight, because he wanted a public confession of the crimes the mountain did it to his family .He impalled the mountain on the floor with his spear, and in this moment the mountain could stabb him, when the viper weith the mountain's sword in the hand was going to give him the coup de grâce
Sejanus 1 week ago
I think Loras would actually pose a great challenge if he were ready and actually had his sword
TheForgottenFlames 2 months ago
It's a shame they recast Gregor with a skinnier tall guy
KZipKing 3 months ago
It Should be called Clegane fight:Hound vs Mountain
keeplisted 3 months ago
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SurfaceCollison 3 months ago
thank god they found jason momoa then
TheArbiter707 3 months ago
I ship Loras' mare and Gregor's stallion. <3 A tragic and brief love story.
DanielleMcOrmond 3 months ago 18
PRETTYBOY BEATS MACHOMAN
Boxghost102 3 months ago 5
"Let him go!"
Kingsguard: Oh, sure. We were about to whup his ass but if you say so...
*Phew*
Bagrah10 3 months ago
This is why 'The Hound' is so much more of a badass than his brother. Bows instantly upon command, narrowly dodging a killing stroke.
DanEile 3 months ago 7
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Aghostsvoice117 3 months ago
2:26 Gregor Clegane won the trophy of "PETA Hates You!" LMAO!
TheNewEmphinix 3 months ago
@TheNewEmphinix More like "PETA neither condones nor condemns your actions, they would have killed it anyway"
thinman25 2 months ago
8 feet of pure stupid.
Rereversed 4 months ago
What could be worse if you have the nickname: Knight of the Flowers? If you get owned by someone who called Knight of the Flowers.
xxlCortez 4 months ago 11
@xxlCortez That would .... hurt xD
retrothefox 1 month ago
loras is skinny as fuck!! i dont get how he could have beaten gregor??
taufiqsun 4 months ago
@taufiqsun Loras' horse is an attractive female horse and he chose the horse because he knew it would distract Gregor's horny stallion and unbalance him as a result
MadPutz 1 month ago 11
@MadPutz An "attractive" female horse? Do you think a stallion cares what a mare looks like?
1banders 6 days ago
@1banders Well I should have said the mare was "in heat", which was how GRRM put it.
MadPutz 6 days ago
@MadPutz I suspect that most English language speakers would say "mare in heat" rather than "attractive female horse." Any mare in heat is a babe to a stallion.
1banders 6 days ago
2:29 and 2:33: ooooohhhhhhhh
juanif16 5 months ago
Anyone think this actor is making Ser Loras seem like somewhat of a pussy? I don't like his look and the way he is rolling on the ground crying is not what the Knight of Flowers would do if attacked. For the most part, the casting for Game of Thrones have been impeccable, (Tywin, Tyrion, Littlefinger, Catelyn, Robb, Arya, Joffrey, the list goes on and on), but the Knight of Flowers is a letdown. He will have a more prominent role as the series goes on, so hopefully, they change it for the better
12spanku 5 months ago
@12spanku He seems somewhat of a Pussy because he is, he's gay and he kinda is Lord Renly's Boyfriend.
Wolfe171 5 months ago
@Wolfe171
Does everyone know that Renly and Loras are together? Or just Littlefinger? Is that exactly excepted in the time their in? How does it go in the books? Being gay is totally cool?
ChirpingLlama 4 months ago
@ChirpingLlama It is not well shown as in the series I believe, though rumours do go around..or so I recall, I'm finishing the third book, Too much info so it keeps kinda hard to remember smaller things like thoose.
Wolfe171 4 months ago
@12spanku Are you high?
Loras cried like a bitch when Brienne took him down. He's well casted, in fact. The issue is that they made RENLY much weaker than he should be. In the book he was a tough guy, a little Robert, in the show because he's gay he became some little weasel coward.
Loras has always been a self-important little shit (as revealed when he became a kingsguard and Jaime was like 'Whatever, bro') and he always will be one... albeit crispy.
lethargistic 5 months ago
@12spanku Are you high?
Loras cried like a bitch when Brienne took him down. He's well casted, in fact. The issue is that they made RENLY much weaker than he should be. In the book he was a tough guy, a little Robert, in the show because he's gay he became some little weasel coward.
Loras has always been a self-important little shit (as revealed when he became a kingsguard and Jaime was like 'Whatever, bro') and he always will be one... albeit crispy.
lethargistic 5 months ago 6
@lethargistic Loras is 16-years old. How would you expect a 16-year old to act?
When Brienne took who down?
Book Renly looks just like his brother Robert did when he was young.
"He [Renly] was the handsomest man Sansa had ever set eyes upon; tall and powerfully made, with jet-black hair that fell to his shoulders and framed a clean-shaven face, and laughing green eyes to match his armor."
1banders 2 months ago
@1banders Instead of raging on for like a page, you should read what you're responding to.
1) Loras' reaction was that of a child, Robb is younger than him and is more manly. Fact. Loras is just a headstrong jackass, it's a character trait that turns him into bacon.
2) Brienne took Loras down during the tournament for Renly. She "tricked" him which Loras declared when she was made a member of the Rainbowguard.
3) Renly in the BOOK is a mini-Robert. Renly in the SHOW is a little bitch.
lethargistic 2 months ago
@lethargistic Brienne did NOT "take him [Loras] down." They crashed down to the ground TOGETHER, with bone-jarring force. Loras, on the bottom, took the brunt of the force and was so stunned by the impact that his eyes were unfocused. When Brienne flicked open his visor with her dirk, he YIELDED.
It was NOT Loras who said Brienne had tricked him. It was a drunken archer who complained, “That were no proper unhorsing. A vile trick, pulling the lad down.”
1banders 2 months ago
@1banders I've come to realize that you argue because you're just new to the fandom and want to seem informed. Brienne DID take him down. She grabbed hold of Loras and BROUGHT HIM DOWN. She literally took him down from his horse. I am 100% correct in what I said.
You are 100% incorrect in trying to correct me.
Loras, however, begrudged her the victory, which was later mocked because he had used a mare in heat to defeat Gregor.
You're just a Johnny Come Lately.
lethargistic 2 months ago
@lethargistic Wrong. "...suddenly the two were grappling mount-to-mount, and an instant later THEY WERE FALLING. As their horses pulled apart, [Brienne and Loras] crashed to the ground with bone-jarring force. Loras Tyrell, on the bottom, took the brunt of the impact. [Brienne] pulled a long dirk free and flicked open Tyrell’s visor. The roar of the crowd was too loud for Catelyn to hear what Ser Loras said, but she saw the word form on his split, bloody lips. YIELD."
1banders 1 month ago
@lethargistic “You[Brienne] are all your lord father claimed you were.” Renly’s voice carried over the field. “I’ve seen Ser Loras unhorsed once or twice . . . but never quite in that fashion.” “That were no proper unhorsing,” complained a drunken archer nearby, a Tyrell rose sewn on his jerkin. “A vile trick, pulling the lad down.”
Now show me the evidence that Loras "begrudged her the victory". Mocked by whom?
1banders 1 month ago
@1banders Sorry, I missed your comment.
A Storm of Swords, page 974 (I think). Jaime is speaking with Loras and Loras remarks that she only won because she cheated. Jaime replies that he recalls when [Loras] cheated against the Mountain. Loras flusters and trails off.
Yeah, you're wrong and I'm right. This is what fairweather fans like you get: shitted on.
lethargistic 6 days ago
@lethargistic Are you 14 years old?
1) On p.974 (paperback) in A Storm of Swords, Oberyn, acting as Tyrion's champion, is fighting Gregor. 2) Using my Kindle to search volumes 1-4 for "cheated", I found no reference where Loras or Jamie uses that word. 3) There's no evidence that Loras "cheated against the Mountain." That is simply your childish misinterpetation of the events at the Hand's Tournament. Outwitting is not "cheating."
1banders 6 days ago
@1banders Page 924, A Storm of Swords:
Loras: "[Brienne] won the melee with a trick."
Jaime: "I seem to recall another knight who was fond of tricks."
Ser Loras flushed. "She leapt... it makes no matter."
What were you saying?
lethargistic 6 days ago
@lethargistic First you claimed that "Loras cried like a bitch when Brienne took him down". But as I've shown, Loras did no such thing.
1banders 6 days ago
@lethargistic Then you claimed Loras said Brienne "only won because she cheated," and offered as proof his statement that she "won the melee with a trick."
But a "trick" is not "cheating,." Cheating is breaking rules. But the contest was a melee, which has no rules.
Loras goes on to say, "She won, I grant her that. His Grace [Renly] put a rainbow cloak around her shoulders."
Had she cheated, Renly would not have declared her the winner.
What were you saying?
1banders 6 days ago
@lethargistic So contrary to what you've claimed, Loras did not say Brienne "won the melee by cheating" (which is an oxymoron). Nor is there any evidence that Loras "cried like a bitch when she took him down. On the contrary, he YIELDED. And they went down together /w Loras underneath. As Renly noted: “I’ve seen Ser Loras unhorsed once or twice . . . but never quite in that fashion.”
1banders 6 days ago
@1banders Yikes, stop using words you don't understand. First, there is nothing oxymoronic about saying "won by cheating". Most people that cheat end up winning because of it.
-Yielding- doesn't deny that someone is upset, it only shows that they don't want to be killed/hurt further.
As the Jaime and Loras conversation clearly states (as I said), Loras took umbrage with that despite yielding (which you claim means he cannot feel she was deceitful) and brought it up instantly.
lethargistic 5 days ago
@lethargistic Stop trying to rewrite history.
You're ORIGINAL claim was that Loras "cried like a bitch when Brienne took him down," not that he was merely "upset" or "took umbrage." You've not produced a shred of evidence to support your claim. He did not "cry like a bitch" or make any other kind of demonstration or protest. He simply YIELDED.
There was nothing "deceitful" in her so-called "trick" of holding on to him as their horses pulled apart, bringing them BOTH down.
1banders 5 days ago
@1banders Honestly, please. Just give up. Now you're saying how you interpret it, not how Loras states it to be. He clearly states that she used a trick as a means of undermining her achievement to Jaime: "she only won because she did something tricky/underhanded". Loras was crying like a bitch over it, whining and pathetic.
I'm doing responding to you because you're just wrong and don't know how to admit it. It's a great series, but you don't know it as well as you think you do, kid!
lethargistic 5 days ago
@lethargistic You're responding only because you're trying to save face.
Loras' statement that Brienne won the melee with a trick is hardly tantamount to "crying like a bitch over it, whining and pathetic."
That is merely YOUR interpretation, or rather, your self-serving spin.
It is clear from the context that how she won the melee is NOT what Loras is upset about, as the following shows....
1banders 5 days ago
@lethargistic J: I still have Brienne of Tarth in a tower cell.
L: A black cell would be better.
J: You are certain that’s what she deserves?
L: She deserves death. I told Renly that a woman had no place in the Rainbow Guard. She won the mêlée with a trick.
J: ...What sort of trickery did Brienne use?”
L: She leapt . . . it makes no matter. She won, I grant her that. His Grace put a rainbow cloak around her shoulders. And she killed him. Or let him die.
1banders 5 days ago
@lethargistic Clearly, Loras is not upset over how she won, for as he said, "It doesn't matter." What did matter to him is that because she won, Renly granted her request to make her his Kingsguard, and then (Loras assumes) she killed him or let him die.
1banders 5 days ago
@lethargistic You take Loras' words out of context.
Clearly, what Loras was upset about is not how Brienne won the mêlée, but that because she won Renly granted her request to be made a Kingsguard, sworn to protect him, and then either killed him or let him die:
JAMIE: What sort of trickery did Brienne use?
LORAS: She leapt . . . it makes no matter. She won, I grant her that. His Grace put a rainbow cloak around her shoulders. And she killed him. Or let him die.
1banders 5 days ago
@lethargistic I didn't say "won by cheating" is an oxymoron. I said 'Loras did not say Brienne "won the melee by cheating" (which is an oxymoron).' Cheating involves breaking rules in order to win. A mêlée has no rules. Furthermore, King Renly would not have declared Brienne the winner had she cheated. Hence, your notion that Brienne won the mêlée by cheating is an oxymoron.
1banders 5 days ago
@1banders I'm sure you think you are an informed... whatever you are, but you're not. The only thing I had wrong is the when, not the what, and that's because some of us read this -before- the TV show came out.
"Trickery" and "cheating" are also synonymous. Semantic arguments are just more grasping at straws. Again, it's just what happens when someone like you who is a fly-by fan decides to declare he knows everything.
You got it wrong. Grow up and move on.
lethargistic 5 days ago
@lethargistic Cheating is breaking rules to win. No rules were broken. It doesn't matter how you unhorse your opponent. The so-called trick Brienne used to unhorse Loras was nothing more than wrenching his axe from his hand, which led to both of them crashing to the ground "with bone-jarring force." Loras, "on the bottom, took the brunt of the impact."
Clearly, you've been wrong about what, when & semantics since we began. You got it wrong. You need to grow up. You need to move on.
1banders 5 days ago
@lethargistic It is not "grasping at straws" to point out that unhorsing your opponent in a melee by use of the so-called "trick" of wrenching his axe from his hand is not "cheating," Had Brienne "cheated", as you naively put it, King Renly would not have declared her the winner.
Whether I read the books before or after the show is irrelevant. All that matters is that I read them, and that, unlike you, I actually understood what I read.
1banders 5 days ago
@lethargistic So that you may be informed:
RENLY to BRIENNE: “I’ve seen Ser Loras unhorsed once or twice . . . but never quite in that fashion...As champion, you may ask of me any boon that you desire. If it lies in my power, it is yours.”
Had she "cheated", as you have naively claimed, surely Renly would not have declared her champion.
1banders 5 days ago
@lethargistic You are wrong of what, when and how. Loras' did not "cry like a bitch" at any time.
1banders 5 days ago
@1banders Lmao, wow. You go on a ranting spree when you're proven wrong. I'll admit I lied when I said I was done posting but damn, I didn't know you'd go all out with nonsense. You also keep misquoting the section.
LORAS: A black cell... she won the melee by a trick.
JAIME: I seem to recall [you doing the same].
LORAS: (Flustered) She leapt...
He was stating that what she did was unfair. Also, melees have rules. I don't know where you got otherwise from. And your statement that (con't)
lethargistic 5 days ago
@lethargistic The text quotes in my posts prove YOU'RE the one whose wrong,
I abbreviated Jamie's remarks ("...What sort of trickery did Brienne use?”) to save space. Otherwise, the quote was accurate. The words I left out to not alter the meaning.
Loras did not "state" that anything was unfair.
I challenge you to name the rule that Brienne broke to win this melee.
1banders 5 days ago
@lethargistic You're claiming Loras was "upset" about HOW she won the melee. But if you'd bother to read (and try to comprehend) the section I quoted, you'd see that he's not "upset" about HOW she won (Loras later states "it makes no matter" !!!), but that BECAUSE she won, Renly granted her request to make her a Kingsguard, and yet she (Loras assumes) killed him or let him die. How can you be so dense not to see this?
1banders 5 days ago
@1banders (con't) someone cannot cheat if they are declared a winner. Are you... retarded? People CHEAT in order to WIN, that's why you do it. Of course someone can cheat and win, there's no oxymoron inherent within that. I'm going to assume English isn't your first language.
Anyway, I'm done with you. Loras was huffy because Brienne beat him by using a trick (see: cheating), and was called out on it as I said (by Jaime).
lethargistic 5 days ago
@lethargistic Are you retarded? You win by cheating ONLY if you're not caught! Everyone, including King Renly saw how Brienne unhorsed Loras. A drunken archer blurted "that were no proper unhorsing..a vile trick, pulling the lad down." Yet no one but YOU claims she cheated!
1banders 5 days ago
@lethargistic You can win by cheating ONLY if you don't get get caught. The judge of the melee, King Renly, saw exactly how Brienne unhorsed Loras, and yet declared her champion. The oxymoron is the notion of winning a melee -- essentially a contest without rules -- by cheating, i.e, breaking rules. If you want to argue that a melee has rules, then tell me what rule Brienne broke. Explain, how she cheated and got away with it.
1banders 5 days ago
@lethargistic The conversation between Jamie and Loras over Brienne was about whether she killed Renly, not about how she won the Bitterbridge melee.
“I’ve [Renly] seen Ser Loras unhorsed once or twice . . . but never quite in that fashion.”
“That were no proper unhorsing,” complained a drunken archer nearby, a Tyrell rose sewn on his jerkin. “A vile trick, pulling the lad [Loras] down.”
You must be as drunk as that archer if you think Loras said "she only won because she cheated."
1banders 6 days ago
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@12spanku Are you high?
Loras cried like a bitch when Brienne took him down. He's well casted, in fact. The issue is that they made RENLY much weaker than he should be. In the book he was a tough guy, a little Robert, in the show because he's gay he became some little weasel coward.
Loras has always been a self-important little shit (as revealed when he became a kingsguard and Jaime was like 'Whatever, bro') and he always will be one... albeit crispy.
lethargistic 5 months ago
@12spanku loras still isnt tested in battle and i'll excuse anyone for crying like a pussy when facing an 8ft monster like gregor clegane.
fludblud 2 months ago
That showed that Loras wasn't as honorable as he made himself appear.
unak78 5 months ago
@unak78 in the book it describes it almost exactly the same way. Loras planned to do this with his mare so Gregor couldn't control his mount.
WallisTylerJ 4 months ago
Renly and Loras are gay in the books too...it's just more discreet than in the series.
gibsona2102 5 months ago 26
Renly and the Flower weren't gay in the books
neanderpaul14 5 months ago
@neanderpaul14 Yes they were.
unak78 5 months ago