Jim Jones, Marvin Muhammad and The New Nation of Islam Cult

[resumebwd]

Elijah Muhammad is died.

[urbaaby]

READ EZEKIEL 33 VER 31 - 33 WHO IS THE MAN WITH THE LOVELY VOICE AND PLAY A WELL ON AN INSTRUMENT,MAY I SAY FARRAKHAN,CLIPYSO SINGER AND VIOLENTIST,HE IS THE REAL LEADER OF THE NATION OF ISLAM,AND STILL SPEAK OF HIS FATHER MOST HONORABLE ELIJAH MUHAMMAD,I DONT SEE NO ONE ELSE SPEAK OUT AGANIST THE JEWS BUT HIM,AND HATED BY THE JEWS,I JUST AFTER HES GONE WE WILL KNOW HE WAS AMONG US A PROPHET,OR MORE,YES MORE,HES REBUKE THE WHOLE WORLD NOT JUST AMERICA

[Reallah1]

I met and LKnow marvin muhammad and I know he nuts and I believe all the stuff being said is tru about him, I'm still questioning the other stuff but to me if you need to talk to somebody for 12 hours and still have not got the the drift then clearly you need to stop talking and that's Marvin problem its like instead of giving you facts he talks long enough and drags in so many circles that you forgot what you were talking about in the first place.Unfortunately some people will go for anything

[AntonBatey]

@cherrytwochain

Uhhhhhhhh, cause I'm not CULT leader, genius......

[Aceonfly]

@AntonBatey

You are a lightweight. I will be more than happy to debate you.

[cherrytwochain]

@AntonBatey nah not really because you are bored and miserable with yourself and your own existence. golf would be a good hobby for you.

[AntonBatey]

@cherrytwochain

Personal attacks are a sign that you can't defend yourself. I'm not gonna exchange insults like a fifth grader. Grow up.

[cherrytwochain]

@AntonBatey It sounds like to me youre the one with nothing to do, most little children go out and play when they have lots of time on they're hands. What is there to defend im a follower of The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad through his star student The Hon. Minister Louis Farrakhan - Minister Farrakhan is Undefeated what about you?

[cherrytwochain]

@AntonBatey There is nothing to defend ! The NOI is Undefeated!

[cherrytwochain]

@AntonBatey

[cherrytwochain]

@AntonBatey Is up to you to prove us wrong which you cannot do, i heard your rambling with lance shabazz - he is someone who does not know the teachings of The Most Hon. Elijah Muhammad, you have very devious and slick word play almost like a rapper but definitely like a snake. Most children go outside and play when they dont have anything to do - go find you someone to play with.

[AntonBatey]

@cherrytwochain

That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it – even though your opinion certainly seems to be based off pure emption and not logic or reason. At any rate, if you believe that you can defend the teachings of Elijah Muhammad, leave me your contact information and we can engage in a recorded debate.

[cherrytwochain]

@AntonBatey Oh really!! So what's your logic?

[AntonBatey]

@cherrytwochain

I’ll gladly discuss it when you and I debate each other. As I stated, leave me your contact information in a PM. If you’re afraid of providing it, I’ll leave you mine.

[cherrytwochain]

@AntonBatey what city are you in - we can rent out a venue and invite people to come and see . Me defeating you in a dialog - will that bring you to the Nation Of Islam? will you then believe? will you then submit? will you then repent for your disrespect? let the world see!

[cherrytwochain]

can we do it at a public venue, when you are defeated will you join The Nation Of Islam? will you repent for your disrespect? will you submit to ALLAH who came in The Person Of Master Fard Muhammad? what will this do for you?

[AntonBatey]

@cherrytwochain

Nope. Have received too many threats from the NOI the past few months. Besides, I’m not in the United States.

So, you want to debate over the phone? We can do it now, actually. And yes, I will gladly join the Nation of Islam if I am “defeated”.

[cherrytwochain]

@AntonBatey Threats from who? i will pay for the venue, it will be better that way we can show slides and use all credible references instead of hear say. especially when it comes to scripture and the domestic life of The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad. I like to use time lines, scripture - both Bible and Holy Quran, historical time lines, photos etc. You agree?

[AntonBatey]

@cherrytwochain

From Nation of Islam members. Via email and phone calls since my personal number was publically broadcasted back in November. Furthermore, I’m not in the United States. As an alternate, I would be happy to debate you over the phone or via Skype. The public debate issue is about safety. Nation of Islam members ARE willing to get violent. I know many who have when I attended the Mosque in Detroit. I am offering clear alternatives. If you’re not interested, then sorry.

[cherrytwochain]

@AntonBatey I can assure your safety! I dont know what Nation you are talking about, Im with Minister Farrakhan and we are taught to never aggress anyone in word or deed.

[AntonBatey]

@cherrytwochain

I don’t believe that. The Mosque in Detroit was one under Farrakhan and I KNOW brothers that took it so serious they engaged in violence over religious matters. The NOI is the one religion that I know is willing to get violent. I know a number of people who experienced the same thing as me, which is why the threatening emails and phone calls were not surprising. So no, no public debate, even if I was in the U.S. Take your pick of another option.

[cherrytwochain]

@AntonBatey Well i cant speak about the others outside of Minister Farrakhan but if you look at the dialogs that Dr. Wesley Muhammad has, they are peaceful and he is like my college classmate - he went to Morehouse and I attended Clark Atlanta University around the same time. It would be beneficial to have a public dialog to give everyone a clear and clean look at the teachings of The Honorable Elijah Muhammad.

[AntonBatey]

@cherrytwochain

I challenged Wes to a debate months ago, and he declined. He is one of the people that broadcasted my telephone number out in a Nation of Islam forum, which I thought was extremely rude, disrespectful and ill-mannered. I am out of the United States. I cannot physically do it. Even if I could, I do not trust the NOI in their commitment to non-violence due to my experiences and many others who I can name.

[AntonBatey]

Furthermore, I strongly dislike Wes’ debating style. He screams, yells and from what I saw, is just interested in performing a circus. The Nation of Islam, from my experiences, are mostly about preaching, showmanship and emotionalism. Debates over the phone cuts a lot of that and gets to the meat. So not only are telephone debates better for the physical concerns I have, it’s better for content reasons. Either you can accept my alternatives, or not.

[cherrytwochain]

@AntonBatey give it a little time and I think you will agree a public discussion of the teachings of The Most Hon. Elijah Muhammad would be beneficial from a educational standpoint. The teachings are not meant to be emotional, these stoms that you see happening all over america are not emotional they are actual fact. Slides, pictures, historical references, scriptural references help delete whatever emotions they may come about.

[AntonBatey]

@cherrytwochain

Well I’M certainly not emotional about it; I’m not even religious at all. Studying the Nation of Islam is strictly a hobby that I inadvertently became interested in. Nation of Islam members, on the other hand, typically argue from emotion and are too much into showmanship for my taste. Again, due to the reasons I told you, a public debate will not occur. My offer still stands. Ponder it, at least.

[daniels37]

THIS MAN DOES NOT REPRESENT THE NATION OF ISLAM! THIS NEGRO HAS LOST HIS DAMN MIND. EVERYBODY WANTS POWER BUT DON'T HAVE THE INTELLIGENCE AND COMMON SENSE TO HANDLE IT. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON WITH OUR PEOPLE.

[knowledgeiswhatsup]

This is slander

[schism4291]

Why haven't you condemned the women? You talk as if they're innocent victims. Shit, they WANTED that man, and they wanted to have babies--and they did have babies, by him.

By the way, I would not be surprised if that brother and sister DID have sex with each other. Shit, that happens, because this is PLANET EARTH, and people fall to their lower desires, as fowl as that is.

Again: Sounds to me that those women willingly opened their legs.

[schism4291]

Grown women ALLOWED themselves, willingly, to lay up with this dude. Uh...What's the problem? The corruption was NOT just within Marvin Muhammad. The corruption [obviously] was within the entire group. All these women with the name "Muhamamd," dropping their drawyers left and right, for him. 

How you you ain't said shit about them? You talk as if they were raped; or as if they were innocent. These "Muhammads" knew what they were doing. The whole group sounds corrupt.

[jkairi4]

Whereas Marvin Muhammad is liar and a teacher of falsehood, the same can be equally true of the author of this video. As he is telling us that Master Fard Muhammad is going to return some time around 12/2012. The author of the is video mixes Mayan (2012) prophecy hysteria with the Messenger teachings, thereby creating confusion. The Messenger told us that its not necessary for Master Fard Muhammad to return. Yet this person, in his deceptive use of the teachings, suggest otherwise.

[Aceonfly]

@jkairi4

Have you read Our Saviour Has Arrived? Obviously not. Your great ignorance is only preceded by your ineptitude to speak the truth. Part 14 of Black Messiah 2012 squarely deals with the issue of 2012 based on Elijah Muhammad teachings and not Mayan prophecy.

Master Fard Muhammad returning around December 2012 is YOUR statement.

Part 26 of Black Messiah 2012, @2:45-3:35, THEM tells us of Master Fard Muhammad's RETURN.

I suggest you you study the teachings before opening your mouth.

[jkairi4]

@Aceonfly Yes I have read "Our Saviour Have Arrived" and have comprehended it. I have also watched your video and you are in error. I noticed the deception that used when trying to prove that Elijah said Fard is going to return. You see, I have complete video of the Messenger speaking on the return of Master Fard Muhammad, and I know that you willfully, with malice at forethought, left critical parts of his word off your video. Also, the 2012 analogy comes directly from the Mayan prophecy.

[Aceonfly]

@jkairi4

Your reading comprehension is a joke. You need to comprehend page 82 of Our Saviour Has Arrived. Right now, you are just talking. Address Part 26 of Black Messiah 2012, @2:45-3:35, Then address Part 14 and 15 of Black Messiah 2012. Otherwise, you are just engaging in idle chatter and irrelevant hearsay. If you cannot make an intelligent response instead of circular reasoning, which is quite small in this matter I might add, I suggest you go STUDY.

[LiveReality19]

@Aceonfly You mean to tell me that you believe that marvin muhammad is Allah god you are a fool and are heading nowhere fast! you better start explaining even though there is no explanation

[TheBlackNationBegins]

People like him make the Messenger Elijah Muhammad's Teachings look bad, we already know (negros) want to find ways to condemn us

[antoinelamond]

On a side note I'd love to see a woman lead a Nation of Islam group. As long as it isn't a cult based on Jim Jones standards I'd join it. I just think we have to be careful at how we use cult based on our own definitions. He may be a liar, a false prophet, and all the other negative things we can think of but to call his organization a cult puts you who follow said N.O.I. group(s) in that same line of fire.

If Sister Ava Muhammad just started her own Temples. . . .

[antoinelamond]

Well honestly if Marvin Muhammad's group is a cult by these standards then the original N.O.I. and ever current, past, and future faction is a cult. I'm just saying. Didn't Messenger Elijah Muhammad have several wives? I know that he was legally married to Sister Clara Muhammad, but Farrakhan's N.O.I. incarnation claims that Mother Tynetta Muhammad (which I believe) is one of his wives and that Minister Ishmael Muhammad is one of Messenger Elijah Muhammad's sons.

[TheElijahMuhammad]

Good job brother.

[TribeofShabazz]

I finally watched it beloved. This negro is something else. If u read my bio., I mention where Marvin Muhammad called both the Bible & the Qur'an holy. Not even the other hypocrites who claim false leadership/succession of the NOI have done this. Afterwards, he removed the vid. He had the nerve 2 tell Lance Shabazz in that interview, ALLAH'S-Salaam-Alaikum instead of As-Salaam-Alaikum bc the latter is an abbrievation. What a dummy who has no understanding of the Arabic language. How long were u

[TribeofShabazz]

@TribeofShabazz a member of this organization, & what were u on post as (your position(s)?? Is this the first "Nation of Islam" organization that u were introduced to??

[TribeofShabazz]

Yeah, I've been hearing a lot about this clown, b.u.t. nothing much has been said about this nigga. Please let me know when ure putting our ure video lecture exposing the lies of Solomon Royall. The only thing is watch out these niggas like to kill. Royall kidnapped his grandchildren (his own biological daughter's kids), & after she went on the Lance Shabazz Show, he declared a fatwah on her @ss & 10 days later, the UNOI broke in2 her home & murdered the poor child.So make sure u don't ever show

[TribeofShabazz]

@TribeofShabazz ever show ure face. If the UNOI knows, like they said 4 those of who were in the Nation, "FOI TIL THE DAY I DIE!!" may come sooner then u think. These negroes r not gods. They r BLACK DEVILS!! They even got Lance shook. Ever since that interview, whenever some1 tries to bring up Solomon Royall's name on his sho, Lance quickly changes the subject & says uh, I'm trying 2 remove myself as far away from Solomon Royall & the UNOI as much as possible. I honestly think that whole

[TribeofShabazz]

@TribeofShabazz situation with Royall's daughter getting killed 10 days after being on his show scared him (literally) 2 death. His daughter said in the interview her own children were raised by Royall 2 attack her & they were prevented from going 2 colleges & couldn't go out of the complex. A complex bro!! COMPLEX!! What does a mother f@#king complex sound like 2 u?? A damn cult!!

[TribeofShabazz]

@TribeofShabazz They r killers & will try 2 kill u 2. I bet u its more then just Lance, his family, and/or friends telling him to be careful. U know how the old timers in the NOI were like. They would kill u if they knew ure name, and face. The best thing 2 do if u put it out is 2 keep doing what ure doing like I am doing, keep ure name & Face off the Internet. And become exactly what ure name is, an Ace on Fly, or better yet, a Fly on the Wall. Stay as far away from this cult that has

[TribeofShabazz]

@TribeofShabazz absolutely nothing to do with our Heavenly Father & His Final & Greatest Messenger, the Hon. Elijah Muhammad. As-Salaam-Alaikum sir!!

[Aceonfly]

@TribeofShabazz

As Salaam Alaikum. Thank you for your concern. But beloved brother, and to any of you HYPOCRITES who cannot think and defend your dogma, MASTER FARD MUHAMMAD IS ALLAH IN PERSON. I put my trust in him, I pray to him. Master Fard Muhammad has the final say as to whether any of these hypocrites can take my life.

So when I meet them, if I meet them, I will call on Master Fard Muhammad and let them call on other than Allah. I Fear Master Fard Muhammad, Allah in person, ONLY. Peace

[TribeofShabazz]

@Aceonfly True that Lord!! True indeed Saviour!! Would u consider doing (making) it??

[Aceonfly]

@TribeofShabazz

I would have no problem doing it, but I am not that familiar with his foolish teachings other than he says that he is Allah's Allah. Is his teachings somewhere on the net?

[isavakoya]

why would anyone follow him in the first place!

[TribeofShabazz]

@isavakoya cuz they @ssholes!!

Just follow Master Fard Muhammad & Messenger Elijah Muhammad, & u straight!! P.E.A.C.E.

"LEAVE MY TEACHINGS AS IT IS!!"

-THE HON. ELIJAH MUHAMMAD, THE FINAL & GREATEST MESSENGER OF ALLAH

MATHEMATICALLY YOURS,

ANGELO ALI ALLAH

ORIGINAL MAN, FATHER OF CIVILIZATION, & GOD OF THE U-N-I-Verse

[TribeofShabazz]

@isavakoya Excellent doc. Most knew little about the NNOI until now. Thanks. How many members & temples(in what cities & states)does this silly so-called negro have, y the need 4 a new NOI??

Allah's Allah?? Is that methaporical??Is Royall saying that his Allah is MFM, or sadly that he is MFM's Allah?? Does Royall claim to be the Messenger's Allah too, or was that a separate Allah?? If ure unfamiliar with these teachings from Royall & the UNOI, would some1 reading this comment please tell me??