Planetarium at the Creation Museum

[wildipodboy]

Awsome vid

[mike220889]

LOL! yeah im sure kepler is a very good example, not all these modern scientists are atheists right? Well its a shame he didnt mention that kepler was born in 1571. He makes it sound like kepler was alive only a short time ago. But i suppose that christian teachers are good at misleading people.

[zuriktul]

If god is all knowing and all powerful, why are his creations flawed, what is his purpose, what is our purpose, what is the purpose of that purpose, why did god create satan, and indirectly create sin, and then punish people for sin? Why does god continually kill innocent lives and allow his children to suffer in such a hateful universe he created? Why is god all loving and yet so sadistic and hateful.

If he knows the begining and end of everything, then why does he need to test us in life?

[theemrod]

"The bible is understandable and logical." So why is there absolutely no connection between the length of a year and the lenght of a day?

[musidiablo]

Dude, great stand up comedy routine.

[musidiablo]

"the basis of logic and reason"? I know where the basis is certainly not to be found. Not in a work of fiction.

[musidiablo]

I can't believe that this guy can say everything he does and still keep a straight face. Surely this whole thing is satire.

[DudorSP]

Seriously, i could do the exact same thing with LOTR. I Could assume that that book is the god, Tolkien's, true words and build a model of the universe that fits with his stories from there.

The bible is a book of stories. It should be read methaforicly at best. Genesis is only there because the people who wrote it had no idea of what really happened, so they gave "God" the credit for it.

As science progress, more and more of the bible is proven false. It's just a matter of time untill all is.

[garam314]

In kepler's time, atheists would never be taken seriously.You'd be lucky to avoid being burned at the stake.

Sometimes I wonder if Galileo and many other scientists would've been atheists had they lived in our time.

[deusphuk]

Kepler was ahead of his time as a scientist.

If he had been born 30 and not 500 years ago without a distorted world view he would have been able to do his work without having to fear capital punishment by his fellow citizens for not believing in a myth.

Knowledge = truth/reality

Believing = not knowing/assuming = nothing

[stewstudboy]

they are selling the "science of creationism" with actual science.....how ironic.....and sorry, just because a scientist from 2 centuries ago believed in god does not prove scientist generally believe in god.

[arKvaio17]

if what ur saying is true, then no one would believe in science. ur wrong. u just wanna be right cos u like the ides of heaven

[mjr256]

Well, there's one thing a standard planetarium can do that yours can't: tell the truth.

[ianandjames83]

take a look at the "why do people laugh a creationist" videos.

A century of scientific advancement and the technology it's brought isn't enough to convince people that scientists have a fair idea of what they are talking about.

[yaoshell]

yeah...go head and teach that in all highschool in america and make US a third world country....

[antalz]

yeh, if you start out from the assumption that bible is true, your conclusion is drawn before you have viewed ANY scientific evidence at all

after that, every time you some sort of evidence, you try to cram the evidence into your theory.

and that, citizens of youtube, is precisely what pseudo-science is about. Creation science has thesame amount of science in it as astrology, phrenology, alchemy, or outright magic: 0,0

[3ggh3ad]

wow..i think the left side of my brain just collapsed.

and Americans wonder why their educational standings (especially in math, and the sciences)compared to other countries are falling so far behind?

[amazingjames311]

falling? we allready fell

[Killua2001]

"Different models"... hah, I love it... their "good science" is "you can't prove it 100% absolutely wrong thus we're right!". It's absurd, "god put the photons in space at the exact right distance and sent them over to earth just for us". Because that's so much simpler than "the universe isn't 6000 years old".

People who buy into this need to have their head examined.

[joda711]

If you start with that assumption, not much fits. If it doesn't fit though, you make up more stuff that God did to make it fit. If you persist in spitting the face of science, please never touch a computer, don't get flu shots, or don't even see a doctor... Just use leeches.

[ThisJustAwsome1]

Question-Is the universe exactly where God created it to Be?

Think of the Universe as a giant clock. The clock has moving parts that are in constant motion. Does this mean that they are out of place?No,they are moving the way that the creator of the watch made it to move. In the same way our universe is where God(the creator of the universe) created it to be at any given moment.

[tricky159]

This guy is a joke, the bible is not the truth get real people the universe is 13.5 BILLION years old , get over it . The minds that made the creation museum just cant realise that their god is just too small to account for all the beauty that is OUR UNIVERSE.

[ZergrushEddie]

Very neat tool; very lousy use.

[NusquamNihil]

"When you go to other planetariums, you get some evolutionary storytelling...what we do is we tell people the truth, according to the bible."

<.< Out of curiosity...is the earth in the center of the universe in the creationist planetarium?

[homkat]

I laugh, my science text book said life began about 3.8 billion years ago and the earth is 8 billion years old, but people on here keep saying 4. The inconsistancy and constant changes do have me wondering. Come on people at least have one answer. Also the fact that they have trouble recreating the pobiatic soup of the early planet is hilarious. I love science it is all guess and test. Some need to revies their data and relize that it does not support their hypothesis.

[jimitl5]

"my science text book said life began about 3.8 billion years ago and the earth is 8 billion years old, but people on here keep saying 4."

I have no idea what science book you use but I do not know of any of them that say the earth is 8 billion years old.

"The inconsistancy and constant changes do have me wondering. "

You need to have a better understanding of science since science is not the same as the dogma of religion. The ideas of science do change as new evidence is uncovered.

[gyro30]

its funny people believe in a 6000 year old earth when there is so much evidence refuting it.  one, simple, mindless refute is chinese records date back 10,000 years

[Vorsatz13]

This museum is madness. Full stop.

[videorprologic]

It's always nice how all the evidence fits because you ignore the evidence that doesn't.

[mattb521]

Sweet, a decorated, highly sophisticated, extremely expensive, colorful display of UTTER IGNORANCE.

[PhotoRach]

I can't wait until I have the chance to visit this museum! What a powerful and monumental step forward for Christians. Praise the Lord, that's all I can say. Praise the Lord.

[adobster]

It's truly unfortunate that you don't understand true science...

[miserkocho]

if you beleive that their planetarium is the most advanced in the world i guess you'd beleive just about anything.

[ThisJustAwsome1]

knowntje- the truth is that we have been taught a lie from our earliest school days. We are taught to believe that the earth is very old even though there is no factual science to support eons of time.But we are not taught the bountiful evidents that lead to the conclusion that the earth is quite possibly only a few thousand years old.

[doncorleon818]

this guy is a freakin moron!!!!!!!

[kalsolarUK]

So they have a theory of how we can see light from distant galaxies millions of light years away, despite everything only having been in existance 6000years. Light through the vacuum of space has a constant speed - warp speed ahead people..I cant wait to hear their explanation.

[ThisJustAwsome1]

For example, say a tub is filling with some water very slowly but that for a unknown amount of time the water was running 1000 faster. Then went back to the original trickle. If you walk in and see how much water is in the tub you might say that it took a long time to fill when in reality it took 1000 time less then you thought.

[jimitl5]

"For example, say a tub is filling with some water very slowly but that for a unknown amount of time the water was running 1000 faster. "

Amazing!!!!!WOW!!!!! I can hardly believe it. I guess if I lookied I could read in in the Bible. Something like "And the Lord speedith time and people were amazed but the clock of the lord eventually slowed because he forgot to wind it."

[jimitl5]

"For example, say a tub is filling with some water very slowly but that for a unknown amount of time the water was running 1000 faster."

Yes, their is a record but you must make unprovable assumptions(or speculations) about the past.

BTW those were your words quoted to me a 2 months ago. Just read down a little. Now tell me you are not just assuming this crazy statement about time.

[jimitl5]

"For example, say a tub is filling with some water very slowly but that for a unknown amount of time the water was running 1000 faster. Then went back to the original trickle."

OK and for our next creationist bedtime story.......

[melancholyid]

The tub is a bad analogy. Because, we have seen teh light from supernovas. Even if the speed of light was faster, it still means that the universe is well over 6000 because speeding or slowing down C doesn't change the fact that we are seeing an event that took billions of years to occur.

Sorry.

[elanus81]

Is that supposed to be an argument?....no no no, read something about radioactive disintegration of elements.

[drdirs]

We don't just measure interstellar distances with triangulation. There are many other techniques, such as observing reflections of light pulses and then applying our knowledge of the speed of light. Funny thing is that if we assume the speed of light were larger in the past, the results imply that the universe would be even older. There are videos on this here. Search for "creationism speed of light" for example.

[MentalAtheist]

The crust of the earth of both Americas is moving from Europe and Africa at the speed of which finger-nails grow.

lets see... finger-nails grow 1 inch per year, 12 inches in a foot, 5,280 feet in 1 mile and there are 15,000 miles between America and Europe.... So how long did that take?

950,400,000 years... creationism suck!

[ThisJustAwsome1]

mentalatheist-"The crust of the earth is moving at the speed of which finger-nails grow." yes, that is true (today)but what makes you think that this has alway been happening at the same rate or speed?

[melancholyid]

God set the Earth in its foundations, never to be moved. Plate techtonics is blasphemy!

[BalmungSama0]

"mentalatheist-"The crust of the earth is moving at the speed of which finger-nails grow." yes, that is true (today)but what makes you think that this has alway been happening at the same rate or speed?"

If they were moving at the speed necessary to fit with Noah's flood, the continenets and the crust wouldn't be able to survive it.

[iachodvisuals]

Mental Atheiest I am stupified by your wit, and your intelligence astounds me. I can tell you were a by-product of the public school system. What grade did you make it through? Sixth!?....Seventh?!

[kevinscholes]

thats the rate at what they are moving now ?

who was there to say what was happening 4,000 years ago?/

[videorprologic]

It's interesting how geologists study the mechanisms that cause the movement of... the crust. Many independent sources of correcting and checking modeled mechanisms exist such that it would be a feat of astronomical proportions to try and discredit the models. Based on this, you can tell how the plates have been moving over the past 100,000 or so years.

[ThisJustAwsome1]

If you are asking who was their (In human terms)Noah and his three sons and wives. A Detailed I-wittiness account of the events of that time can be found in the Bible. The evidents for this event surround us today.

[paulbottomley42]

Ok, well I'm going to assume that they've been moving at the same rate for recorded history, about 1500 years - yes this is arbitrary but I don't care enough to do any real research. That means that in that time they moved 125 feet, giving us a distance of about 1499.976 miles to go.

So that means that before that, the continents were drifting at an average of 6mph - the pace of a bracing jog. Care to offer an explanation of the mechanics of this miraculous speed?

[scottypot]

The world is not 4,000 years old fact. im all for people believing what they want but this is stupid. Egypt is older than 4,000 years old. They started their civilization in 5500 bc.

[monitajb]

Oh, sad! Evolution and big bang have NOTHING in common. He doesn't know that apparently.

Though I guess we know that this guy is really impressed by pretty colors.

[PrinceCaspian7]

In fact we can measure the strength of the magnetic field right in recent recorded history and the strength of the magnetic field is weakening and it is predicted that the Earth's magnetic field is going through another reversal.

[DeadFishFactory]

I wonder if they're going to teach people that the Earth is the center of the universe with that thing.

[kiltman]

I wonder if they know that people in there book, 6000 years ago said the Earth was only 6000 years old. It makes me wonder what they plan to do every year when it goes from 6000 to 6001. Do they plan to drop off that year and all the history it contains just to keep it within that 6000 year limit?

[cheesyedd]

i think your missing the point kit

[Think567]

This is outrageous that creationists claim the earth is only 6000 years old! Scientists have tons of evidence the Earth is much older, about 4 billion years old.

[hsd0006]

Name one "evidence" proving your belief in an old earth. Carbon dating has a max of 50-60,000 years thus things supposed to be millions of years old containing c14 (fossils, oil, natural gas,) are not older than that mark. Please do your own research into oceanic salt levels, magnetic field decay, etc.

[jimitl5]

"Carbon dating has a max of 50-60,000 years thus things"

You've been reading the old stuff, try going back and reading the new research on some dozen other dating techniques that are far more accurate and reliable with old rocks.

[jimitl5]

"magnetic field decay" ...I love hearing this one from creationists. Magnetic field decay as they use it is pure fabrication. The earth's magnetic field is a dynamic field in constant flux. The field reverses itself every couple of hundred thousand years or so. Prior to each reversal it goes through a period of weakening, then reverses and goes through the cycle again.

[ThisJustAwsome1]

Magnetic field decay as they use it is pure fabrication. The earth's magnetic field is a dynamic field in constant flux. The field reverses itself every couple of hundred thousand years or so

What in God earth do you base that on? lots of words but no substance. The statement is so absurd its laughable.

[jimitl5]

"What in God earth do you base that on? lots of words but no substance. The statement is so absurd its laughable."

awesome...magnetic field reversals have been substantiated. There is plenty of research on this. You can deny it if you want but all readers have to do is check it out.

[ThisJustAwsome1]

magnetic field reversals have been substantiated.

Yes, I know. That was not the problem. I find it amusing that you say they reverse every 200,000 years. Given that this is pure speculation on yours or whomever part as to why these reversals happened.

[jimitl5]

"Given that this is pure speculation on yours or whomever part as to why these reversals happened. "

This is NOT speculation. There is a record of this occurance. Calling it speculation is evidence that you do not read any of the scientific journals and rely on creationist pseudoscience for your information.

[ThisJustAwsome1]

"This is NOT speculation. There is a record of this occurance."

Yes, their is a record but you must make unprovable assumptions(or speculations) about the past. (your kidding your self if you don't think you do)Reading about what other people believe might of happened does not make them true. The evidence is up to interpretation based your preconceived starting point.

[jimitl5]

"Yes, their is a record but you must make unprovable assumptions(or speculations) about the past. "

No assumptions, the evidence is observable.

[Dayspring79]

Very true TJA1. Evidence is interpreted and even more so when in the realm of Historical Sciences.

[videorprologic]

Do you realize that it also fair for me to say that it is an unprovable assumption that you were born from a woman? I should start a 'science' that is based on your lack of evidence that you were born of a woman...

[elanus81]

And tell me is that different from what religion do?

[PrinceCaspian7]

What Jimitl5 says is a true statement, the magentic field does fluctuate and actually reverses itself approx every 200,000 years. The earth is a geodynamo (think of it as a large bar magnet). How do we know? Their are certain igneaus rocks which solidified from magma that have a magnetic polarity lock into them that geologists can use to determine the polarity and strength of the magentic field of the earth at certain times in the past.

[gyro30]

potassium 40 dates into the billions of years, but you have refuted yourself by affirming carbon 14 goes to 50,000 years so thats more than 6,000

[PauloK85]

I am shocked that people actually belive this stuff! Everytime i watch a video about this i laugh! Just think about it all for 1 second. This museum actually tells people that the earth is 6000 years old. This would make the night sky very dark indeed. The amount of money spent on this could have been used a lot better.

[ThisJustAwsome1]

This museum actually tells people that the earth is 6000 years old.

Just to clarify its the Bible not the Museum that tells us this. The museum simply shows us the evidents(In science) that confirms the biblical record.

[Think567]

How do they account for the red shift in light coming from galaxies? They can calculate the distance based on the red shift!

[Think567]

not sure if my post went through, anyway it is outrageous that they claim the earth is 6000 years old! I think it is hilarious when he says scientists are doing evolutionary story telling he he in the same breath says he believes the bible is completely true and you base science on it!

[cp3814]

"This would make the night sky very dark indeed." The universe is billions of years old, but the earth is approx. 10,000 to 76,000,000. This is based on many evidence such as the theory of relativity, ocean chemical concentrations, planet magnetic field, meteorite dust accumulations, and salt sediment build-up. C14 is more reliable than Potassium-Argon dates. The maximum dating range for C14 is 60,000 yrs.

[PauloK85]

HAHA! He says "good science"! As if any "science" that would threaten what creationists think is evil! Remeber kids go and spend money at the creationist museum if you want to go to heaven!

[effyleven]

Poor young man! What a waste of an education! :-(

[ThisJustAwsome1]

His(Gods) creation is more Awesome the more you learn about it.

[DeadFishFactory]

The Earth is 6000 years old? China has a history of 10000 years. What gives?

[hsd0006]

Wow 10,000 years? Please provide documented proof of this.

[Deadman3913]

Not only that, but a flood was supposed to have wiped out their civilization some 4000 years ago? Did they ignore that catastrophe & pick up their recorded history & culture where they left off when those eight people from the floating zoo got around to repopulating China?

[ThisJustAwsome1]

Not only that, but a flood was supposed to have wiped out their civilization some 4000 years ago?

The history of china (and I'm talk real documented evidents)goes back less then 4000 years and for good reason. It couldn't of existed (china civilization) before this because of the Flood of Noah which happened less then 4500 years ago.

[jimitl5]

"The history of china (and I'm talk real documented evidents)goes back less then 4000 years "

Not true, the Peiligang, Yangshao, and Longshao Cultures of China date back to 7,000 BC.

[jimitl5]

"The history of china (and I'm talk real documented evidents)goes back less then 4000 years and for good reason."

You must have failed ancient history as well as science.

[videorprologic]

I can't believe you just pawned that crap off as well reasoned.

[melancholyid]

Egyptian history is well over 7000 years old. Sumerian is even older.

[scottypot]

The civilization of egypt existed before this flood and they survived and they have no mention of any flood. Really this flood never happened its just a story.

[DDDDDDDD35]

very nice video. Great job putting together the Creationist Museum. To God be the Glory, great things He has done!! I can't wait to go see it.

[matt3i6]

Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) some eighteen centuries later, when he discovered that the orbits of planets around the sun conformed to these same beautiful but abstract mathematical forms. Kepler declared: "The chief aim of all investigations of the external world should be to discover the rational order and harmony which has been imposed on it by God and which He revealed to us in the language of mathematics."

[don2561]

It is a shame that you cannot use all that whiz bang equipment for some real science.

[moggoon]

Nonsense.

[tellnet]

god is a contagious delusion responsible for more evil than any other human concept, misconcept or group of consentual actions however inspired, conspired or instigated... The probability of

there being a 'god' as defined by religion is so slim as to be unworthy of any intellectual consideration... A belief in such is no more than a manifestation of the frailty of our existence and ignorance... And Americans are educated to be ignorant...

[Vorkagen]

I don't know what to rate this video really. I think they actually meant it to be serious, and believed, so I would rate it 1, but its the kind of thing I would expect from johnplex, so I would rate it 5, for the comedy.

[Nightly909]

"how did God bring light from other galaxys in just a few thousand years?"

how can such a 'smart' astronomer using a digital representation of the universe not realize that there was a Big Bang?

And there are few flaws in evolution, but millions of flaws in creationism.

[ThisJustAwsome1]

Ever since Einstein proposed his special theory of relativity in 1905, physicists have accepted as fundamental principle that the speed of light -- 300 million metres per second -- is a constant and that nothing has, or can, travel faster. John Moffat of the physics department disagrees - light once travelled much faster than it does today, he believes.

(From Science Daily)

[jimitl5]

" John Moffat of the physics department disagrees - light once travelled much faster than it does today, he believes."

Absolutely no evidence to support this but very convenient for the creationists.

[ThisJustAwsome1]

The suggestion that the speed of light can change is based on data collected by UNSW astronomer John Webb, who posed a conundrum when he found that light from a distant quasar, a star-like object, had absorbed the wrong type of photons from interstellar clouds

[ThisJustAwsome1]

After considering that a change in the electron charge over time would violate the sacrosanct second law of thermodynamics, they concluded that the only option was to challenge the constancy of the speed of light.

[jimitl5]

Awesome...I found where you copied these last two satements word for word from an article by Michael Christie. You have no idea what this means more then anyone else does.

[skevosmavros]

It looks like their planetarium is nothing more than a hires video projector connected to a PC running the open source freeware program Celestia. Yawn.

[ThisJustAwsome1]

I've seen the planetarium show and it is very impressive. Better then most out.

[kenyager]

I don't care if the Universe just happened or if God made it. The comment made about God allowing light to travel billions of light years in a few thousand in ludicrous. The speed of light is constant. Why would God need to change the speed of light to accomodate modern perception of the Bible, which was written by men? If God is the Alpha and Omega then what would 14 billion years matter to him? Christians are always trying to confine God to human terms, shouldn't it be the other way around?

[ThisJustAwsome1]

If God is the Alpha and Omega then what would 14 billion years matter to him? Christians are always trying to confine God to human terms, shouldn't it be the other way around?

First How is believing that God could do something in 6 days confining Rather then billions of year. Seems that you are the one limiting God. I am also surprised that you are not keeping up with the latest research on the speed of light which has found that it has not always bin the same constant speed in the past.

[ThisJustAwsome1]

— A University of Toronto professor believes that one of the most sacrosanct rules of 20th-century science -- that the speed of light has always been the same - is wrong.

[ThisJustAwsome1]

Ever since Einstein proposed his special theory of relativity in 1905, physicists have accepted as fundamental principle that the speed of light -- 300 million metres per second -- is a constant and that nothing has, or can, travel faster. John Moffat of the physics department disagrees - light once travelled much faster than it does today, he believes.

(From Science Daily)

[iclb0028]

Only creation 'scientists' would try to use astronomy to try and disprove evolution. Only creation 'scientists' would argue that light must have speeded up so that light originating from stars billions of light years away could arrive here only 6000 year later. Only creation 'scientists' would then turn round and start accusing anyone who doesn't believe this crap of being in league with Satan. I've seen all this on youtube. And these people want to educate children ?

[cubikman]

i just love it when i watch vids of christians lying throgh there teeth

i betcha god has a real wram place for them lol lmao

[ThisJustAwsome1]

what do you believe he is lying about? your comment makes as much scents as me calling all scientist morons... just because someone believes differently does not make them a lier specially when what they believe is in line with what the word of God tells us.

[Andyilmatto]

It's sad to see such a beautiful (and expensive) planetarium used for such a stupid and false purpose.

[skaggmo]

Looking at the history of science, and the fact that the Bible has historically been ahead of science on dozens of issues (by hundreds of years), it makes perfect sense to assume the trend will continue and that there are indeed Answers in Genesis.

[skaggmo]

Looking at the history of science, and considering the fact that the Bible was historically ahead of science on dozens of issues (and by hundreds of years), it only makes sense to think the trend will continue, and that there are indeed some answers in Genesis. I love you guys. I love the museum. And I understand the protesters are more concerned about politics than science.

[TexasHeretic]

skaggmo: "Looking at the history of science, and considering the fact that the Bible was historically ahead of science on dozens of issues..." Are you kidding me?! Name ONE example! Please! I beg of you! Just ONE!!!!

[treyshots]

ROFL!!!!!!!!! Where in the world did you get it from that the meusuem teaches that the sun revolves around earth!?!?!?!?!?!?! That boggles my mind that you would say something like that.

[dnev]

I cant believe that brainwashing people to accept this crap is so easy. I should move to the midwest and become a con-artist (preacher). Cha-Ching.

[morbidmetalist]

don't you think that maybe it is possible you might of been brain washed? how can you accept the crap of evolution, so many flaws. Don't be upset that it's shaking the very ground you stand on. not so long ago everybody thought the world was flat, it was insane to think it was round.

[stinkypurple]

yeah, and creation is a more sound theory... "God did it, thats why. Don't ask any more questions." Thanks, but i will go ahead and think for myself, you can be lead around by the nose like a cow... You believe that the bible has the answers because you are weak minded, if you were really in touch with God, you would allow his great mystery to humble you, blind faith is prideful and a sin!

[AndrewRTukey]

and also... the sun revolves around the earth, in the creationist museums planetarium

[Spr34dGudN00z]

First off, that is called the geocentric model. It is very old and secular. Secular scientists Hipparchus (2nd century BC) and Ptolemy (2nd century AD) helped established this model and it was universally accepted including the Church. When Copernicus revealed the heliocentric model (sun centered), the world and Church had backed the old model for nearly 1400 years and resisted the new model because it disputed LONG held beliefs. The entire world including the Church uses the heliocentric model.

[otakemyhandlove]

amazing. I can't wait to go check this thing out someday.

[gnatural]

I cant wait to go to the creation Museum someday, God Bless Ken Ham and everyone at AIG.

[jimitl5]

Have fun gnatural, everyone needs some good mindless entertainment once in awhile.

[Dayspring79]

Jimitl5,

Mocking here as well? Sheesh, tone down the nasty a notch please. "All in good fun" only goes so far.

[jimitl5]

"Mocking here as well? Sheesh, tone down the nasty a notch please. "All in good fun" only goes so far."

People just need to know that creationist claims need to be checked out with reality. If they go do the research they will find their claims just do not hold up to scrutiny. Of course they need to avoid AIG if they want good information.

[zulmia]

That flashy 3D depiction of the universe and the planets looks an awfully lot like a free downloadable program called Celestia. I'm glad that portion of the $27 set aside for the planetarium was well spent...

[nashvilletn24]

Oh please, you are nothing but a liar. You are lying to our kids and making America's kids the dumbest children in the world. Shame on you! The earth is not 6,000 years old! We did not walk around with dinosaurs! You can't really be that stupid!

[Diactadon]

but he is...

[otakemyhandlove]

I'll bet 20 bucks you've never read the science behind a creationists claim. But on the flip side, creationists are taught evolution clear through grade school in every science class. Who do you think is ignorant on the subject? Be honest.

[StealthDonkey007]

I'm only speaking for myself, but I tend to know more about creationism than most creationists. In fact before an argument I could probably list all the arguments my opponent is going to use and why it's wrong.

In my experience, most creationists have very little knowledge of evolution, it is barely touched upon at school and many are taught an untrue strawman arguments by their churches.

But thats just my experience.

[PROCLAIMEROFTRUTH]

well Baron boy... you have scum turning into 75 trillion cell human beings, dinosaurs turning into birds, fish, turning into apes which turn into men. Sort of like when the princess kisses the frog he turns into a prince, only it takes about 300 million years.... slow process, but hey it works (snicker. Oh heck, I forgot about the whales with legs that walked around on earth before they decided to start living in the oceans. damn

[scarfhs1]

Kepler derived his three laws of planetery motion from observation of the planets and analysis of the data, not by reading the bible.

[BaronVonCrumpet]

Lol. Its a shame we don't go into science believing the bible is true. Imagine all the cool stuff we would believe: Dragons, unicorns, global flood, virgin conception, water to wine, ascension to heaven etc.

[ZFlood]

Repent Joseph Smith will be back for you all!

[bu1ckgnx]

how dare he try and bend the laws of nature, specifically light, to account for seeing galaxies billions of light yars away by saying "God made it look that way"... this would mean god is a deceiver, and thus hidding some imperfection through the deception, which would mean he is not only imperfect but also malevolent. CREATIONISTS, tread carefully, lest you piss off your god.

[Dayspring79]

Careful? I'll warn you the same bu1ckgnx. Besides, this is no deception to me, simply His design. First if there is not enough time to wait for the light then light "in transit" would be an option, why not. Second, that is only one of the options open to further research at this time and certainly not the most accepted by creationists. I believe that is an assumption based on previous biases. Check the AiG site for more on this if you care to.

[deBeuk]

"we start from the perspective that god's word is true"

Wow, that's some great science right there.

You presuppose that:

1) The bible is the word of god.

2) The bible is true.

Mind showing us some evidence to back these claims up?

[Dayspring79]

deBeuk, all persons (including scientists) start from a presupposition and that is easy enough to prove. That AIG is honest and tell you what presupposition they hold does them no harm. In fact, I'd be happy to explain to you how your presupposition effects how you see origins and God as well, just contact me. As for evidence, your evidences are ours as well. Fossils, geologic strata, genetics, languages, genealogy, historical documents, etc. See AnswersInGenesis-ORG for info.

[msmit118]

If you are starting from the Bible, why is the Earth round and orbiting the sun? Both are contradicted by the Bible. If you want to go biblical, go all the way. Anything else is intellectually dishonest.

[ThisJustAwsome1]

The bible tells us not only that the earth is round but that the sun is stationary in the sky those implying that the earth is orbiting the sun...

[otakemyhandlove]

The bible never says anywhere that the sun is stationary, but you are correct in one sense. It did predate any other scientific statements of the earth being round about 100 years before pythagoras.

[ThisJustAwsome1]

psalm 19 4 4 Their voice [b] goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. In the heavens he has pitched a tent for the sun,

[ThisJustAwsome1]

The key word here is pitched which means:

To set firmly; implant; embed: pitched stakes in the ground.

[mnkittel]

Kepler a Creation Scientist???

ROFL!

Kepler may have believed in creation, but mainly because there wasn't any evidence to the contrary.

Kepler was once asked by a monarch to show the king his remarkable laws of planetary motion. Kepler complied, and after he explained them to the king, the king asked, "And where in all this is the hand of God?" Kepler, a DEVOUT CHRISTIAN, answered, "It is not there because it is not necessary."

[matt3i6]

Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) some eighteen centuries later, when he discovered that the orbits of planets around the sun conformed to these same beautiful but abstract mathematical forms. Kepler declared: "The chief aim of all investigations of the external world should be to discover the rational order and harmony which has been imposed on it by God and which He revealed to us in the language of mathematics."