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  • Fucking animals.

    No, I take it back, no reason to insult animals like that...

    Behold the wonderful world of Islam...

  • Why the hell was she flogged? That's what I want to know. Did she say no to sex with her uncle? Islam is disgusting. *vomit* A pus filled boil on the ass of the earth.

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  • @LearnToReadTheKuran what a twat. muslims will never overrun us. You are fucking scum and if you ever bomb us again we will detroy you

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  • This is NOT Islam!

  • muslims lol..they're like retarded desert monkeys

  • @citizenlizard

    Are christians any better?

  • islam is peaceful???????????

    hahahaha biggest joke of century. the only thing muslims hav achievd in 1400 years is how to strap a bomb and kill people. the OIC is one of the weakest organizations of the world. all failed states of the world are islamic. pakistan wud be in a lot better shape if they wud hav accepted jesus and not moo-ham-head like we americans did

  • fuck religion this is the outcome it breeds ignorance

  • Remember you are dealing with animals. Religion of Peace? Does not look like a PEACEFUL RELIGION to me. Wake Up America.

  • @nolaplum

    your goverment are taking over the world in 2012 so you aint got much room to talk buddy

  • Fuck these rag-heads.

  • Quit throwing stones, my fellow Americans, because we're living in a glass house. In the US prison system, an estimated 70% of inmates are physically assaulted and 25% sexually assaulted during their incarceration. Personally, I'd prefer a Pakistani flogging to an American jail.

  • Pieces of total crap are those men that would do this!!

  • This doesn't happen in every muslim country, so u can't just call all muslims savages or , and just so you know I'm not a muslim, I used to be one, but calling all muslims savages or whatever is just supid, this only happens in a few stupid and strict countries and also happens to men more than women in such countries, but no one talks about men's rights .. right?

  • What is NOW, and those harpies from the 'View' going to do about this?

  • Islamic barbarians and savages.

  • These men flog women because they hate themselves for being gay

  • they are behind 3 thousand years they lived in holes and cavern

  • Those who do the beating have chosen it and their sick mind may like it! But those who are beaten, eg this poor woman in the video does not sound like liking it at all!! And flogging is just one of the many atrocities being done against women! These men seem to hate women extremely much, for some reason...No oppression No abuse against women!

  • If that is how they choose to live, who are we to say it is wrong? Maybe they do not care for some of the things you do in your life.

  • bastards! bloody devil muslims!

  • Bloody fucking muslims! Bastards! I think you guys are the devils! If ever I have a chance to decapitate one of you, I will volunteer to do it! Basssstarrrrrrdddds!

  • I challenge everyone to take this kind of flogging or to be taken apart by police.

  • I dont care who you are, where you come from, what religion you are.... I DONT CARE. This shouldnt be happening. Only the people that can actual perform this act, on a woman no less, deserve to get there faces flogged to a pulp! I know violence does not cure violence but this just burns a fire in my heart.

  • I don't see the problem here. I'm from Tennessee and my pa and uncle do this ma all the time. They drink lots of bourbon and them wail into her, but she screams more than this girl does. They also like to pretend to read the Bible, even though I know they never went to school. Them Pakis are a lot like us Americans and I think we can really live together.

  • Im not a Muslim, nor am I tryin to defend them. But some of you people dont know nothin about Islam, not Muslims are bad. And not all Christians are good either

  • This occurred in the tribal areas way up North where extremist sheep fuckers get their kicks by beating women. This would never happen in any civilized Pakistani city like Islamabad, Lahore or w/e.

  • Muslims jews wats the difference.floggin in this day an age is fucked up.id be afraid 2 fart in public in these countries 4 fear of this punishment

  • Please don't let these idiots immigrate to the USA.

  • @MishuTaste too late

  • @MishuTaste Islam is the truth.

  • @RayKalmNiam Like I care. >: |

  • @MishuTaste So you know it's the truth?

  • dies ist not muslim dis ist diavolo

  • So what if they belt some woman? Oh yea that's the worst thing ever. But chopping off men's hands, oh that's fine because they're evil theieving men. You muslims on the internet are not any diffrent than any other faggots: you worship women as goddesses on earth. It's disgusting. I don't care when I see you peeps get killed anylonger (except the FEW that are anti-women's rights and force girls to marry young etc, they're good peeps, oh but not 'real' muslims, na all 'real muslims' worship woman)

  • @simcityesque YUSUFALI: The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment. THE QU'RAN ORDERS WHIPPING IN 24:2. SO MUCH FOR A PEACEFUL RELIGION

  • @XforeverlongingX I'm not a muslim. I'm an America Catholic. This "flogging" is a joke. They whipped her lightly with some belt a few times. She deserved that just for her annoying complaining voice.

  • @simcityesque I believe that you're catholic :) probably the only other religion as horrible and evil as islam :)

  • @XforeverlongingX Islam is not evil.

  • @simcityesque And, you are a follower of islam. It shows. You constantly comment all over islamic videos about marrying girls young, obeying husbands, and are an islam apologist. Don't deny it by saying you're catholic, which is hardly a better religion.

  • @XforeverlongingX (_Some_) muslims are the only people, other than a few christian polygamous families here and there, that implement anything, ANYTHING, close to what the Bible actually says.If you see a video about a girl married at puberty... who's it likely to be?A muslim girl. If you see a video about men keeping tight control over their wives... they're going to likely be muslim. Why? Islam took over the middle east and the caucuses, but the culture has never changed from what it was.

  • @XforeverlongingX Classical Islam (IE: Islamic Scholar/Academic Controlled Islam) gives women far more rights than the Bible, however the culture of the upper middle east and the caucuses... all the way to pakistan etc... seems to be very very similar to the Old Testament (and some reiterations in the NT: woman was made for man, not man for woman etc) culture. If you read the OT you'll see that females were married at puberty. In the ME and central asia you see the people still doing this, etc.

  • @XforeverlongingX You'll also see that women and girls could not divorce their husband in the Bible, that unmarried virgins who were raped had to marry the man (he payed the father money, and didn't divorce the girl), that men payed a bride price to the father - they did NOT pay a dower to the girl/woman. All these things are Biblical but are certainly not Classical Islam. All these things are practiced by rural muslims here and there. The Law seems to be written on the hearts of men.

  • i demand this woman be given compensation by the taliban fascists.

  • @AntaresInScorpius

    How do you feel about CIA waterboarding?

  • @SuperUFB the cia waterboarded terrorist, not a woman for showing her face.

  • @SuperUFB

    Shut the fuck up lefty. This is a far cry from nearly drowning some fuck terrorist to protect your pansy ass.

  • @The61769

    "Shut the fuck up" eh?

    Is that what stands in for rational argument for you?

    With respect to "pansy ass"...I did Bomb Disposal and Minefield clearance when I was in the Army so shut the fuck up yourself dork.

  • Islam is a cruel ideology,not a religion.

  • @1815ish

    All religions are cruel ideologies, all you fucking religious peoples shit stinks. Stop trying to act like a 600 year old white guy getting on a boat and holding 300 million animals because god was going to kill everyone he infinitely loved, is any different.

  • @RyanR3volution You have some imagination.Beating someone to within an inch of their life,bombing innocent people,trying to murder a man who draws a cartoon of Muhammed all in the name of Islam,that makes it an ideology and not a religion.I have yet to see a Catholic priest perform any of the above atrocities against a person in the name of their religion.

  • @1815ish

    Conas ata tu mo chara?

  • @1815ish

    That is ALL products of the radicalization of Islam through the military occupations of the 20th and continuing into the 21st century. If you think that history began with 911, your delusional.

  • @RyanR3volutionYou say this is fake but it still happens for real in the Islamic world.Islam was always a barbaric ideology of course it didnt start with 911.

  • @1815ish I am not muslim and i dont particularly like muslims. But you need an education.

  • @waitjaya Take a look at what Muslims do to their own people and tell me that it is right in the name of RELIGION to beat someone,to stone someone,to execute someone.No my friend it is you who needs to educate yourself.I have yet to see say a Catholic priest try to kill someone for drawing a cartoon of Jesus.Wake up.

  • @1815ish you cannot talk about muslims as a whole when talking about situations like this, because there is so many muslims who are totally peaceful, if you actually look at islamic scriptures, you will see that they are some of the more peaceful and anti-violent out of all the religions, it is just extremists who ruin the image for muslims. so when you are talking about what they do to their own people, do not talk about them as a whole, because it is highly disrespectful and untrue.

  • @waitjaya WHAT peaceful Muslims ??? are you joking , i am Turkish and an EX Muslim , and i can tell you with out delusion that Islam is NOT a peaceful religion , you show me what Hadith is peaceful , your talk is all rhetoric and Propaganda , remove Islam from Turkiye , Ban Islam

  • @anthush we need to talk.. im on a similar boat..

  • this is FAKE. frontline news did a documentary on waziristan proving it wrong!! they got sued in Islamabad, Pakistan 2 weeks after this posting and fined for racial deterrence of hatred. this was done by the ISI (the CIA of pakistan) to show why americans should take military action in pakistan. in short, this is a hoax and a propoganda. besides, the lady they interview is an actress; and notice how they dont actually show what the taliban guy says (they only show a clip of him)...its fake.

  • Give me ten minutes in a room alone with one of those fuckers, man to man. I´d beat them so bloody they would cringe at the thought of even knocking at a door for the rest of their fucked, lice-ridden worthless lives.

  • The "so called men" who did this, need there bare asses whipped bloody for this. The entire religion is fucked up, they need to send all muslims home and let em kill each other.

  • When it comes to a stand up fight, these muslim wankers run like fuck

  • HA HA THOSE BITCHES GOT OWNED!!

  • all you boys deserve to be flogged... how dare u

  • lets all stop hating entire religions lets start hating the assholes who do this and tear them apart and feed them to the pigs.

  • Sick, sick bastards!!

  • OMG! Spread this!!!

  • She should have used Cascade...

  • wow....

  • I've seen far worse public flogging when I was at school.

  • This arse-wipe of a country can't even hold a cricket tour within its national borders due to risks of terrorism. Dreadful place, dreadful people. Truly, a national disgrace.

  • Pathetic. My Grandmother could have given her a better hiding than that!

  • Who's the arsehole that made up religion?

  • this is not how all muslims are. these are the foreign extremists and its fuckin ridiculous! how can u do that to a person, hearing her scream and everything. who the f do they think they are? i hte to see this, and women getting stoned, and then nothin happens to the men over there. uuugggh . this makes me sick.

  • I'd have preferred seeing her get raped. I mean, this is just a bad copy of an S+M film, and it's not even porno as she is hardly showing any skin. You'd think with 3 guys there they could have got it on, but no. Such a terrible lack of imagination, the dumb taliban.

  • THIS IS NOT ISLAM

  • These people keep their women in check. Would American women be so wild if there were consequences like this for them? Remember that colonial america allowed men to spank their wives.

  • @wappahawlic uuuum this is true...but the problem is now that white peaple dont do this anymore they say everybody else is wrong

  • @wappahawlic you call this type of behavior keeping a woman in check? this is abuse. Its wrong. Women are human beings with desires and ideas and innate worth. You were born from a woman therefore you should honor them and respect them. How would u like the tables turned where men were flogged and not allowed to go to school or speak in public? these men are cowards and hate women, they should all suck eachother off and be done with it. bet their balls and uncut penis's stink like rotten cod.

  • once there oil is gone - the usa needs to bomb the entire middle east...all these sand niggers need to die

  • Mohammed the rapist of yore,

    Was the bastard who wanted some more,

    He fucked like a donkey,

    He smelled like a monkey.

    And he married Aisha the whore!

  • Islam is like a public toilet - you can piss in it, you can shit in it, you can wipe your ass in it, you can even masturbate in it - but eventually you have to leave because of the stomach wrenching stink of asshole, shit and piss.

    Allah is the asshole.

    Mohammed is the shit coming out of the asshole.

    The koran is the toilet paper you use to wipe the asshole.

    And Mecca is the worlds largest public toilet.

    So dont forget to keep your dirty muslim asshole clean.

  • This woman obviously did something to be deserving of this. Most of the cases of woman being physically punished in those parts of the world are because she opened her legs out of marriage or to another man while married. If a woman stoops that low go ahead and whip the bitch till she won't do it again. People also get their hands cut off if they are caught stealing. Adultery and theft are way too common in U.S. to the point where its affecting everyone.

  • She's probably be killed if she committed adultery, actually. If she was only receiving a corporal punishment, she probably did something small. Girls used to get their fingernails ripped off for wearing nail polish when Saddam was in power.

  • @MrHowdee It's interesting that nothing happens to the men who commit adultery though. . seem fair to you???????????????? It's ridiculous to defend this act.

  • wtf, i hate does guys, if they belive in god, (wich i dont but anyway) they shood now that he belive in forgivnes and love, not public flogging for some stupid things, fuck taliban

  • @ergerq

    The Bible says he is always forgiven, but he will kill you or bring evil on you in his anger is kindled. You need to get away from that new age christianity balogne.

  • @ergerq

    The Taliban are only put in power through US intervention, we armed the taliban up until 911. US policy created the taliban.

  • @ergerq im sorry brother that u r given this view of islam. this is not islam, u r right. god demands forgivness in the qur'an! if some1 repents then we MUST 4give them. these people do not follow islam, they follow their cultural traditions & unfortunately most of them r uneducated & dont know any better. they are brainwashed. some of them hav never read the quran, and they claim to be muslim. believe me brother, there ARE good muslims out there. please do not think we are all bad. peace to you

  • fucking muslims how can they still punish by flogging its 2010 for fucks sake

  • @bizzybone1234 just cuz some (being a little light here) have gone a stray (also light here) does not mean you get to blame an entire religion of 2 billion people.

  • @bizzybone1234 moslims stood behind on evolution, they live in about 1600

  • @bizzybone1234

    Maybe because the US gov props up repressive regimes like in Saudi Arabia.

  • @bizzybone1234 its a religious thing id rather be flogged by jews cause they dont realy flog you they wisper to you befor ethey flog you to pretend that you feel pain and remorse muslim floging is like the romans they dotn have limits to how many flog and arent as mercifull think twice before saying jews and muslims suck

  • @bizzybone1234 Should not generalize one religion.

  • @adhdboy699 exactly

  • @bizzybone1234 Taliban =/= Muslims.

  • Muslims are satisfied of Islam's holiness as long as Islam remains internally consistent, which takes no more thought than to understand whether the train is or isn't on the tracks. They give Islam no deeper critique because they begin with the certainty that Muhammad was the perfect messenger of a justifiably bellicose God and build their case for them and the Qur'ān from there. Why do they resort to no wider context? Because "Islam is the only reality," as one Muslim has told YouTube readers.

  • Hey assholes, at least they didn't pull her pants down!!!!

  • A certain zakirnaikmuzzyPIG has nearby had spammed an item including this worthy sentence: "The followers of Muhammad are the victims of the most DIABOLICAL intellectual, moral and spiritual deception ever perpetrated on the human race."

    Spamming is censorship. Only dictators practice censorship. It is practiced often on YouTube and portends ill for the future of the human community.

    Islam IS the most unfortunate fact of human history.

  • islam=stupidity

    hey, why dont we just punch woman in public. uh oh...they beat me to it!

  • dis is very distressing

  • Last month a 12-year-old Christian girl, Shazia Bashir, died while employed in the Lahore home of Chaudhery Naeem, an advocate attached to Pakistan's Supreme Court. Accounts say the girl had been badly beaten, denied food, and clothed inadequately to work in the cold while with the Naeem family.

    It matters less that Ms. Bashir was a Christian than that the Naeem family are Muslims. Would it even be POSSIBLE for such treatment to be meted out to a live-in maid working for a lawyer in the West?

  • I'd like to revisit what mosh once wrote to me here, that I should "research for yourself how Islam is rapidly growing in Western society. Maybe that will dispel your stupidity in believing that the Prophet had a low character."

    It seems that, to mosh, Muhammad didn't make HIMSELF great. His followers did, and do, make him great. Muhammad didn't have a low character, because he's had lots of followers! And so Hitler didnt have a low character, either. Neither did Attila or Genghis Khan.

  • I bet this is pretty tame for that part of the world.

  • I'm sure you're right, eugene.

    Anyone wishing to read about people who are attracted to Islam and whom Islam attracts should consider reading pp. 311 to 362 in the Pakistan section of the trade-paperback edition of V.S. Naipaul's Beyond Belief. Naipaul, a Nobel literature laureate of 2001, is one of the great writers of our time, with a truly great eye for detail. An ethnic Indian from Trinidad, he was able to mix and meet easily with interviewees in Iran, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Pakistan.

  • I know that in this part of the world (Canada), when floggings went down (in prisons till '72, I think) there was blood involved. Grusome stuff. Have a good one, Bangfarang.

  • Muslims they are evil killing and violence comes to them as naturally as walking does to us They worship Allah not god and as a evil god demands a blood sacrifice each year this is Islamic Hajj pilgrimage and show there violent faith to the Devil by angrily throwing stones at the large jamrah the Temple of The Devil many have died doing this Muslims are evil and prove this by their actions they will kill me and you when they can it is fun for them we can only hope that the True God Can Save Us

  • From the 12th to the 17th century, many European Christians believed a wise and virtuous man named Prester John ruled a far-away Christian kingdom, first thought to be in India, later in Africa. Europeans hoped he could be depended on to rescue them from the Muslim invasion of their continent. He couldn't. He didn't exist.

    Now, too, we infidels will have to find our defense within ourselves. The current invasion must be repelled in honor of John Locke and those who climbed Normandy's cliffs.

  • A Glasgow thug once told a researcher that some thuggish thing he had done was justified because it was he who had done it. So it is with Islam. What the Muslim community does, what Muhammad did, what the Qur'ān says, and what Allah approves of are holy because they DEFINE holiness for Muslims. Muslims whom other Muslims disapprove of aren't true Muslims. And so Islam-the-impossibly-pure-idea marches through history. But Muhammad, too, fails that standard. Islam both JUSTIFIES and FAILS Islam.

  • Some more disgusting video from the arsshole of Earth....

  • Expeldarkness has just sent me a new video entitled ISLAMIC PAKISTAN HATES CHRIST-IAN KIDS. I can't explain that hyphen, but the video tells of an 11-year-old student in Dharema Town, Pakistan, whose teacher beat her unconscious in class last October for saying she is both Pakistani and Christian

    What in the name of humanity did the teacher, a woman, imagine she was defending? Whatever, here is one more incident for Muslims to twiddle their thumbs, whistle a tune, and look at the ceiling over

  • Fuck Saudi and Pakistan

  • I'm going to hunt down the men in this video and beat them to within an inch of their lives, and then, i'm going to sodomize them with a broken bottle until they _beg_ for mercy. Finally, I will put them out of their misery.

  • stupidi islamici!

  • The Qur'ān's 5:101-02 discourages asking questions about Islam. And so a YT Muslim recently asked "Is there any need to think about what the truth is?" Another wrote "Muslims dont have to think a lot.Would U if you had a book from ur Lord (Quran) that gives you an Answer for EVERYTHING?" Another: "Islam encourages contemplation, but it does not allow innovation. Anything that is innovated is without the Authority of God." Muslims are Muslims BECAUSE they don't think, but they don't think so.

  • muslim cunts

  • this is very wrong...doesn't matter if islam allows it or not...the prophet muhammas (s.a.w) would have never allowed this.

  • If you suppose your prophet would not have allowed this, you do not know him well enough to be an infidel, which is why you're not one.

  • the reason i said he would not have allowed this is because he was a very peaceful man and even though this type of flogging is allowed in islam...the prophet would have punished a person using different means (non violent) as he respected women greatly no matter if they were right or wrong. e.g there was once a jewish woman who hated the prophet and she threw rocks at him whenever he passed by and when she was on her death bed he still went to visit her and wish her heaven.

  • No, ahafeez, the reason you said what you did is that you refuse to face the truth about Muhammad that is available to us all.

    Attila was nice to his mother, too. Hitler told some wholesome jokes.

  • Not only have I just had a Muslim tell me on Is it Possible For A Muslim Girl To Marry A Non-Muslim Man ? that ‏"infact [sic] certain sections of the glorious Quran cancel out others" but I was also told "This is a basic rule that one needs to understand."

    So the Qur'ān DOES contradict itself, and a basic rule is that God doesn't always agree with himself.

    Islam this day is dying before our very eyes. It could not survive the Information Age. Remember these times and mark them joyfully.

  • Fucking arabs!

  • I am amazed that some people disparage the civilization that for several centuries has been making this planet's future and strenuously defend the civilization that seeks to roll that progress back. One civilization is advancing into the future, the other sliding into the past, where its adherents say it should have stayed. On their way back, those adherents pass messages to those who support the future. The messages say that past and future are the same (if the past wasn't actually better).

  • To Muslims, Islam is indescribably better than the sum of its parts. It matters not how many atrocities are committed, how often they're committed, how many people suffer in them, or how badly they suffer. It matters not how incoherent and vindictive the Qur'ān is. It matters not how violent and sensual Muhammad was. And it matters not how dramatically empty Muslims' case for Islam is here. There is SOMETHING wonderful about Islam, even if Muslims can't quite say what that is.

  • this is ISLAMs finest hour.

    If your lucky soon u will have this & the full benefits of Sharia law in the UK & FRANCE

  • something give me the sneeky suspision you may be a muslim. eww.

  • THIS is ISLAM, this is DEVIL!

  • barbarians

  • this is kinky, should be put on red tube

    allah akbar

  • so inappropriate lol

  • Muslims expect us all to distrust our senses and disbelieve what we see and hear from the news media and history books. Instead, we're to reverently absorb an ancient and incoherent book that reeks of loathing for unbelievers. (Muhammad by the end of his life had become angry that Christians and Jews were rejecting his lofty claims.) I.e., we're to reject sensory impressions and education, and accept that life is victim and victimizer separated along Islam's frontiers (AND male from female).

  • Please see this video, of a Jewish Girl Convert to ISLAM:

    יהודית ילדה מתאסלמים

    watch?v=ZZ45jWmyPBo

    Israel should not exist:

    "And Samuel said to him, "The LORD has torn the kingdom of Israel from you this day, and has given it to a neighbor of yours, who is better than you."( The Bible,1 Samuel 15:28)

    [Dear Muslims paste the message on 10 other video so it can spread the light to thousands of People]

  • please watch this video

    Islam-all you need to know

  • pakis, fucking primitive animals some of them

  • Exactly Scott. All the same judaistic shit!

  • Islam, Christianity, Judaism = BULLSHIT.

    It's all the same shit to me, it all inspires hatred and violence.

  • @canzt3 you do realize taliban kill muslims than non-muslims? And that muslims hate the Taliban? Islam is used by them as a smokescreen for dominancy in a war broken country.

  • @canzt3 did u ever heard off psyco people guess what u saw psyco person and u are relating him to islam nice going genuis

  • @canzt3

    just b/c a few retards decided to do that, doesn't mean the ENTIRE RELIGION OF ISLAM is bad! you guys are soo stereotypical! b/c of ppl like you Islam will be seen as a religion of hatred and brutality! so keep your opinion to yourself! and all those who supported this comment!

  • god tht woman was flogged so badly....its such a horrible sight...n y were they hitting her on her butt thts so inappropriate

  • every one knows now it was bullshit stop this crap when Pakistan is helping west...

    all she was saying i think i think .. what i think it was full of crap made by bollywood in afghanistan where they have 14 consulate actively working against Pakistan .. thats what i think they sud immidatily put 30 thousand american soilders on pakistan afghanistan border rather than put them in bunkers

  • Yeah, this has nothing to do with Islam. NOTHING has anything to do with Islam, you morons! Whatever Muslims do, it has nothing to do with Islam! How many times does that need to be said? MUSLIMS have nothing to do with Islam. Isn't that obvious? Get educated! You're blowing repulsive behavior out of proportion. What's the big deal about a beating in the dirt? It doesn't hurt the men! Get educated and learn!

  • Whatever COWARD LOWLIFE PIECE OF GARBAGE flogged this woman in Pakistan needs to get flogged themselves 3 time the amount they did it to her. The victim is the one who should flog the attacker too!~*~*~*~Sincerely and Respectfully, Victoria Mary Stong / Humanitarian, Civil Rights and Community Activist-Well Seasoned in all types of Media!

  • That kind of "revenge" attitude is what is the problem in the world today. If people could stop thinking about revenge, pride, and anger, maybe we could solve the world's problems.

  • I regret to say, imshadow, that Islam is not interested in solving any of the world's problems. Muslims are interested in dominating unbelievers. And Muslim men are interested in dominating women (and in having slaves, though that is seldom said these days). Vengeance is largely what Islam is about. The Qur'ān makes that clear.

  • @bangfarang: Yeah, dashing the women and children against the rocks and wiping out entire cities in the name of their god. Obtaining wives by raping them and killing their husbands. Oh, wait. That's in the Old Testament.

    But later, these damn Muslims burned millions of women alive, turned countrymen against countrymen to spread their vile religion, tortured those who disagreed like Galileo and genocided pagan savages. Oh wait. That was Christianity.

  • But! Now they support oppression against anyone who disagrees with them and anyone whose lifestyles they disapprove of. They disrespect those of other religions and attempt to force their will on them. They stifle scientific and higher academic learning. They want to force school children to observe their customs. They fight for theocracy in place of democracy. They kill doctors and taunt the families of dead soldiers and homosexuals at their funerals... Wait. Crap. Those are Christians, too.

  • To excuse Islam, pandar emphasizes the ragtag few who've pitted themselves against science and killed doctors. Why does he? I'm confident that the number of abortionists who've been killed by zealous Christians (in obvious violation of Jesus' teachings) does not approach the number of people, Muslim and infidel alike, who've been dispatched for the glory of Allah in many a single bombing. But here you are basing a case for a tenet of Islamic faith (jihād) upon the fact of human imperfection.

  • Excuse Islam? Heh. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of nattering on about how terrible Islam is. Good Christians and good Muslims outnumber the bad, but that doesn't really matter, does it?

    Now, so long as the governments remain secular (as in the Muslim country of Turkey), yeah... the killings are kept at a minimum. However, if you believe there's any less danger, you're wrong. And we seem to be killing Muslims just as good as they do.

    Ultimately, Christianity and Islam are no different.

  • Pandar doesn't say, either, that no killings of "witches" have occurred in Europe or North America for 250 years. Many argue that no barbarism excuses barbarism. All the more, old barbarism does not excuse new. And the barbarism the world faces today is barbarism that intends to dominate the world. In The Middle East, Bernard Lewis writes "The object of jihād is to bring the whole world under Islamic law....to remove obstacles to conversion...." Witch hunts did not seek such domination.

  • Are you confused or trying to confuse? Are you trying to build an excuse for Muslim barbarism today by reminding us that the entire world was once barbarous? Do you mean to say that Muslims deserve a shot at being barbarians? Muslims have BEEN barbarians throughout most of Islam's history, quiescent only when the air went out of Islam's Golden Age, until Middle Eastern oil was able to finance jihād once again. Fighting evil beats excusing it.

    "Millions of women"? You can't document that.

  • You're right. The church didn't keep records of how many "witches" it burned. But the estimates are sure enough to say that it was in the millions.

    And you're right, fighting evil is much better than excusing it. The stupidity comes from not doing it unbiased. When the Muslims are done, there'll be another religion. I could see Christians missing the old ways. Well, they do now, but they're smarter about going about it.

    And that oil you mention? Are the Muslims the only ones killing over it?

  • So lack of records gives you the freedom to say whatever you care to, is that right?

    Actually, while you're presuming the liberty to say that millions of witches were killed, scholars who are slower with their pens and clearer about numbers differ with those who wish to make Islam look no different from the rest of the world. You might try checking Robin Briggs' Witches & Neighbours and Brian Levack's Witch-Hunt in Early Modern Europe, as I'd recommended on YouTube a month or so ago.

  • Even if UNBIASED were an adverb, "The stupidity comes from not doing it unbiased" would not penetrate me. And can you support your witch-hunt tag: "I could see Christians missing the old ways"? "Exaggerated self-criticism would be a harmless luxury of civilization if there were no enemy at the gate....Where will the citizens of democratic societies find reasons to resist the enemy outside if they are persuaded...that their civilization is...a monstrous imposture?" (Jean François Revel, 1984)

  • Hey,do you mean onthe other hand Christians were humen frendly?.This is not Islam (what these guys doing)this is that consipiracy which have been done to Islam to bring a bad name centuries ago.Muslims are viktim of consipiracy.You show the barbaric part of muslim,but you don,t show that muslims produced (scientists,chemists,arkiologi­sts,phycisians) in the history.

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