@llenllenllenl True.I think many fans don't seem to catch on to rem's innate southerness. Being from Ga. I feel they speak with a truer southern voice than any other "southern rock" band.When I listen to them, I feel at home.
This is one of the very few REM songs whose meaning I understood pretty much right away. At first I thought I might be reading my own meaning into it, but after reading a magazine interview with Michael, I realized that unlike "Losing my Religion," this really is a song about religion.
Actually Michael Stipe said that we, people are like maps and legends and we progress in the world and life through "our maps and legends" aka, the people we meet.
cool drifting splinters... glinting flint. cold water and overcast carolina clouds... wandering in the woods amidst wet moss. knee high in grass. leaves underfoot, holding hands. sweet sleeping peace of comraderie, acute. amen.
The set up here isn't the best for discussion threads, so just in case: contrary to how I sound, jumping to brand anyone as a bigot takes some time, and I know none of you.
I've read and heard too much in the last two years to downplay bigotry/racism/etc to "appear cool"; before, I was oblivious to a lot around me. I'd *thought* our culture had progressed some, but if it has, it isn't by much. As people who love R.E.M., I take it for granted we think about things like social justice.
Probably shouldn't take that for granted. I've been listening to REM for nearly twenty years, but there are many social issues on which I don't share the band's perspective.
Hear tell it took the American Southern States at least 50 years to recover from the Civil War. From what I've seen though the Reconstruction did little to change certain mentalities down yonder.
That kind of insult to Southerners really pisses me off. Not everyone south of the Mason-Dixon line is a racist idiot...and BTW, there are racist idiots all over the world...stop picking on the South and be thankful for the great music produced there.
Not living in the south, I wouldn't know, but I do know it's insidious as hell in the north.
...Which includes Canada, I'm sorry to say. The comments going up on the Toronto Star site (national newspaper) have been disturbing as well as disgusting.
PS: Any readers out there? "Sundown Towns" by James W. Loewen and "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn. (participating on US boards = I have to catch up with American history)
What's humorous about your impassioned indignant reply, there, darlin', is that I never said nuthin' 'bout anyone bein' a "racist idiot". I'm personally sick to death of minority groups using the "racist" epithet to wantonly accuse anyone who doesn't accommodate their own pathetic 'poor downtrodden me' mentality. What I was referring to was a general kind of reluctance (among some) to move into the modern era out of an exaggerated nostalgia for them good ol' days of simple minds and simple ways.
I'll be damned. You actually said something I agree with...in reference to the "downtrodden". Something to be said for "simple"....which is why people still watch The Andy Griffith Show...some still long to be in Mayberry. On what do you base your apparent knowledge of the sociological make up of the Southern US since you are in Eastern Europe? Have you ever actually been here or is this based solely on what you have read and seen in the media...and we all know how trustworthy the media is.
I live on the eastern seaboard of the United States. I have a special attachment to Romania and it is a country I'd like to visit sometime but, alas, my current financial situation won't allow it. I've lived in the South and had mostly good experiences there but really had to laugh when my mother once referred to a store clerk there as a "dumb rebel". This was as recently as 1999 but until that time I'd never ever heard that expression before. Every region of America has its plusses and minuses.
It's unfortunate that the myth of the an "ignorant" South is perpetuated to such a degree....are there not "dumb" people throughout the world? I have traveled extensively in the US and have found the only myth of the South to be true is the one of genuine "hospitality". We like people to visit but then we want very much for them to leave!! BTW...Florida and Georgia are FULL so PLEASE stop sending old northerners down here!
You may be gratified to hear that my mother left the South about 7 years ago and hasn't returned. As for me, well, I'm actually a Yankee by birth but fully expect to return to Southern Florida before this year is out. I know it's not the real South but I like living and working in that area in the Wintertime. People are a bit more, um, accessible there. And there're always the Florida Keys and South Miami Beach on my days off.
Ahhh...the "beautiful" people of South Beach...are you one of them? I like South Beach too, but only because they have a Williams-Sonoma and we do not. Accessible...ROFLMAO!
Florida south of Gainesville is not considered by Southerners to be part of the South. It is said that I-75 runs "north" on both sides after that point.
I might or might not pass as one of the indigenous species of South Beach but I like walking up and down Washington Avenue and the Lincoln Road Mall as I believe they're named. I've also been known to stroll along the water's edge now and then. Especially when there are European-style sunbathers a-lying on the sand, ho ho ho.
Nice that bunnEgirl agrees with you: I emphatically do not. Ever talk with people "wantonly" accusing others of racism? Maybe because they deal with it *constantly*? Wanton my ass.
Perhaps if the Federal Government reversed its legislation involving Welfare, Affirmative Action and so-called Hate Crimes the long-suffering persecuted minorities in the United States wouldn't feel patronized and looked down upon. Programs designed to help the "disadvantaged" are saying, in effect, that these "underprivileged" minorities are either too stupid or too lazy to make it on their own. And we're still free here to like or dislike anyone we please for any reason or no reason at all.
I'm curious....what form of racism are you referring to specifically? Racism against whites, blacks, hispanics, American Indians? There are all sorts of racists...not saying it is right...but it exists all around us and all we can do is try our best to rise above it. I do believe some people cry "racism" though when things don't go their way...thus the saying goes,"playing the race card".
I anticipated your question and mentally framed a response last night whilst listening to AM talk radio. "Racism" in this country seems to denote prejudicially-motivated behavior on the part of European immigrants and their descendants towards peoples of any and all "non-white" races. This definition seems to have begun with the African-American Civil Rights Movement and then expanded to encompass "Hispanics", Asians, Hindis, Arabs, Native Americans, Semites and any other non-Caucasians.
This is one of those classic REM numbers that carries me right back to the Summer of 1990 when I was 18 years younger and the world still held forth many more possibilities for my life than it does now. Thanks for posting it Michele.
"Fables" and "Lifes Rich Pageant" are my two fav REM albums.
CaptainPillowMusic 8 months ago
One facit to the diamond that is endurance
Ronwixziv 10 months ago
if you like rem listen to midnight oil
thyczko2 1 year ago
@thyczko2, some of the songs on "Blue Sky Mining" are very reminiscent of REM to me. Love 'em both.
SgtCrom 1 year ago
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vpgnto 1 year ago
rabbit eyes
carolynbernier 1 year ago
authentic people, cultured consistant and full of astute awareness . can never fault them. Love them to the max
yogicris 1 year ago
R.E.M's musical works can be described as nothing less than masterpieces. They're that damn good!
Shanksftw 1 year ago 5
Trust in your calling
Make sure your calling's true
Think of others
The others, will think of you
proffesornutbutter 1 year ago
@proffesornutbutter my shirt is wearing thin
Lucabelieve 1 year ago
@proffesornutbutter my shirt is wearing thin
Lucabelieve 1 year ago
@Lucabelieve my shirt is wearing thin
RainJetSprinklers 1 year ago
This lbum used to bore me about 20 or so years ago when it first came out. After all these years it's now sounding good - Music is weird.
pucksterz12 1 year ago
@pucksterz12 my shirt is wearing thin
Lucabelieve 1 year ago
Very southern song.
llenllenllenl 1 year ago 3
@llenllenllenl True.I think many fans don't seem to catch on to rem's innate southerness. Being from Ga. I feel they speak with a truer southern voice than any other "southern rock" band.When I listen to them, I feel at home.
veritasrex66 1 year ago 5
yes, thanks for all the music..your channel is awesome
jwarnerfortsmith 1 year ago
whoever posted this, you are rad. thankyou
paloriggs 1 year ago 2
Using such simple elements, these songs are trippy as ####. All time great.
JesusMFingChrist 2 years ago 3
Brilliant song!
Modern songs don't even come close
Jenwelsh1 2 years ago 5
Thank you for posting, great tune. "He plays the guitar just like'a ringing a bell" Chuck Berry.
waltbsl 2 years ago
this reminnds me Me in 1992 hearind old rem stuff after I heared out of time.
buretehudesi 2 years ago
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iammelting 2 years ago
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iammelting 2 years ago
Thank YOU.
deliarae 2 years ago
Wow. I've never listened to this period of REM (except murmur) but I love this stuff. great music and jangly guitar.
davidbyrne77 2 years ago
Holy crap...my favorite song along with driver 8 and walk unafraid...remarkable tune...great post!
J99ETC 2 years ago
I love REM and love this song.
It's probably my favourite song.
"Maybe he's caught in the legend, maybe he's caught in the mood. Maybe this maps and legends have been misunderstood"
DSLRmusic 2 years ago
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I love this song so much :D
lovestipe 2 years ago
hmmm, didn't know that. thanks.
goofygoat2009 2 years ago
Michael Stipe's favorite R.E.M. song, no lie.
RODERICKMOLASAR 2 years ago 4
brilliant!!!
jpwie 2 years ago
what is funny, i read way back, they, the band, didn't like this album.
BuddyKatt 2 years ago
where you read it???
jpwie 2 years ago
Actually, they initially didn't like it but they warmed to it throughout the years.
lyonslaforet 2 years ago
the greatest american band
BuddyKatt 2 years ago 20
@BuddyKatt i agree, they are my favorite band of all time, always will be
driver8train 1 year ago
@BuddyKatt agreed
codern 11 months ago
@BuddyKatt R.E.M. and Tom Petty and The heartbreakers........ the two best things America gave to the world!
KJS80s 11 months ago
@KJS80s Something about 12 string Ricks?
JamesEPowell 8 months ago
Perhaps the most brilliant bridge in rock ever.
Fantastic guitars and bass lines.
Haunting vocals.
And no drummer has ever shown the musicality that Bill Berry showed in his drumming.
This song is Perfect.
RabbiJochanan 2 years ago 24
@RabbiJochanan Sad they lost that, right about the time that Berry quit.
TheGEEman60 8 months ago
This is one of the very few REM songs whose meaning I understood pretty much right away. At first I thought I might be reading my own meaning into it, but after reading a magazine interview with Michael, I realized that unlike "Losing my Religion," this really is a song about religion.
filatelista2009 2 years ago
Not sure if god and religion are the same thing but he has said for years he does not believe god
sickerhead 2 years ago
Actually Michael Stipe said that we, people are like maps and legends and we progress in the world and life through "our maps and legends" aka, the people we meet.
lyonslaforet 2 years ago 2
also he said this songt is "kind-of" about the Reverend howard finster.
mattkudzu 2 years ago
amazing song.
i can't find a good copy on
limewire though :(
brea35 2 years ago
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Buy the album! I promise you will not regret it!
RabbiJochanan 2 years ago 2
Charming melody.GREAT.
EdithByron77 2 years ago
cool drifting splinters... glinting flint. cold water and overcast carolina clouds... wandering in the woods amidst wet moss. knee high in grass. leaves underfoot, holding hands. sweet sleeping peace of comraderie, acute. amen.
almadora 3 years ago
Excellent tune. One of REM`s finest.
Antelope6 3 years ago 3
Brilliant song
GlueyPorch 3 years ago
Feeling Gravity's Pull's neighbor, and proud of it! The energy they capture on these songs is just.....wow
mindcontrolpete 3 years ago
Stara dobra klasyka trudno teraz znalesc ten Album
konradx256 3 years ago
The set up here isn't the best for discussion threads, so just in case: contrary to how I sound, jumping to brand anyone as a bigot takes some time, and I know none of you.
I've read and heard too much in the last two years to downplay bigotry/racism/etc to "appear cool"; before, I was oblivious to a lot around me. I'd *thought* our culture had progressed some, but if it has, it isn't by much. As people who love R.E.M., I take it for granted we think about things like social justice.
1michelemichele1 3 years ago
So like, don't be defensive etc.
I guess that's all I've to say for now. This daysleeper's got to get more sleep.
1michelemichele1 3 years ago
Probably shouldn't take that for granted. I've been listening to REM for nearly twenty years, but there are many social issues on which I don't share the band's perspective.
filatelista2009 2 years ago
What? Please don't accuse me of that! Jiminy Cricket, lady, I ain't never said nuthin' about wantin' your ass.
RODERICKMOLASAR 3 years ago
Hear tell it took the American Southern States at least 50 years to recover from the Civil War. From what I've seen though the Reconstruction did little to change certain mentalities down yonder.
RODERICKMOLASAR 3 years ago 2
Sadly, that is very, very true. There are too many people here that have not changed a bit.
purpletoothedfurby 3 years ago
That kind of insult to Southerners really pisses me off. Not everyone south of the Mason-Dixon line is a racist idiot...and BTW, there are racist idiots all over the world...stop picking on the South and be thankful for the great music produced there.
bunnEgirl 3 years ago
Not living in the south, I wouldn't know, but I do know it's insidious as hell in the north.
...Which includes Canada, I'm sorry to say. The comments going up on the Toronto Star site (national newspaper) have been disturbing as well as disgusting.
PS: Any readers out there? "Sundown Towns" by James W. Loewen and "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn. (participating on US boards = I have to catch up with American history)
1michelemichele1 3 years ago
What's humorous about your impassioned indignant reply, there, darlin', is that I never said nuthin' 'bout anyone bein' a "racist idiot". I'm personally sick to death of minority groups using the "racist" epithet to wantonly accuse anyone who doesn't accommodate their own pathetic 'poor downtrodden me' mentality. What I was referring to was a general kind of reluctance (among some) to move into the modern era out of an exaggerated nostalgia for them good ol' days of simple minds and simple ways.
RODERICKMOLASAR 3 years ago
I'll be damned. You actually said something I agree with...in reference to the "downtrodden". Something to be said for "simple"....which is why people still watch The Andy Griffith Show...some still long to be in Mayberry. On what do you base your apparent knowledge of the sociological make up of the Southern US since you are in Eastern Europe? Have you ever actually been here or is this based solely on what you have read and seen in the media...and we all know how trustworthy the media is.
bunnEgirl 3 years ago
I live on the eastern seaboard of the United States. I have a special attachment to Romania and it is a country I'd like to visit sometime but, alas, my current financial situation won't allow it. I've lived in the South and had mostly good experiences there but really had to laugh when my mother once referred to a store clerk there as a "dumb rebel". This was as recently as 1999 but until that time I'd never ever heard that expression before. Every region of America has its plusses and minuses.
RODERICKMOLASAR 3 years ago
It's unfortunate that the myth of the an "ignorant" South is perpetuated to such a degree....are there not "dumb" people throughout the world? I have traveled extensively in the US and have found the only myth of the South to be true is the one of genuine "hospitality". We like people to visit but then we want very much for them to leave!! BTW...Florida and Georgia are FULL so PLEASE stop sending old northerners down here!
bunnEgirl 3 years ago
You may be gratified to hear that my mother left the South about 7 years ago and hasn't returned. As for me, well, I'm actually a Yankee by birth but fully expect to return to Southern Florida before this year is out. I know it's not the real South but I like living and working in that area in the Wintertime. People are a bit more, um, accessible there. And there're always the Florida Keys and South Miami Beach on my days off.
RODERICKMOLASAR 3 years ago
Ahhh...the "beautiful" people of South Beach...are you one of them? I like South Beach too, but only because they have a Williams-Sonoma and we do not. Accessible...ROFLMAO!
Florida south of Gainesville is not considered by Southerners to be part of the South. It is said that I-75 runs "north" on both sides after that point.
bunnEgirl 3 years ago
I might or might not pass as one of the indigenous species of South Beach but I like walking up and down Washington Avenue and the Lincoln Road Mall as I believe they're named. I've also been known to stroll along the water's edge now and then. Especially when there are European-style sunbathers a-lying on the sand, ho ho ho.
RODERICKMOLASAR 3 years ago
Nice that bunnEgirl agrees with you: I emphatically do not. Ever talk with people "wantonly" accusing others of racism? Maybe because they deal with it *constantly*? Wanton my ass.
1michelemichele1 3 years ago
Perhaps if the Federal Government reversed its legislation involving Welfare, Affirmative Action and so-called Hate Crimes the long-suffering persecuted minorities in the United States wouldn't feel patronized and looked down upon. Programs designed to help the "disadvantaged" are saying, in effect, that these "underprivileged" minorities are either too stupid or too lazy to make it on their own. And we're still free here to like or dislike anyone we please for any reason or no reason at all.
RODERICKMOLASAR 3 years ago
I'm curious....what form of racism are you referring to specifically? Racism against whites, blacks, hispanics, American Indians? There are all sorts of racists...not saying it is right...but it exists all around us and all we can do is try our best to rise above it. I do believe some people cry "racism" though when things don't go their way...thus the saying goes,"playing the race card".
bunnEgirl 3 years ago
I anticipated your question and mentally framed a response last night whilst listening to AM talk radio. "Racism" in this country seems to denote prejudicially-motivated behavior on the part of European immigrants and their descendants towards peoples of any and all "non-white" races. This definition seems to have begun with the African-American Civil Rights Movement and then expanded to encompass "Hispanics", Asians, Hindis, Arabs, Native Americans, Semites and any other non-Caucasians.
RODERICKMOLASAR 3 years ago
Uh huh, and...? Is your hypothesis that it's imaginary?
"Seems to have begun with"
Jesus *christ*, next I'll be reading about poor downtrodden whites and the woes of some distant great-grandparent from Ireland.
What is it with this selective blindnes, do people think bigotry directed towards particular groups detracts from their own entitlement complexes?
1michelemichele1 3 years ago
*Talk to minorities*
*Listen to them*
*Read the crap that goes up on bulletin board forums, where anonymity unleashes hatred that's normally masked beneath the thinnest veneers*
1michelemichele1 3 years ago
This is one of those classic REM numbers that carries me right back to the Summer of 1990 when I was 18 years younger and the world still held forth many more possibilities for my life than it does now. Thanks for posting it Michele.
RODERICKMOLASAR 3 years ago 2
I didn't know about this song until two days ago, I'm surprised. It's classic!!
soundofstone92 3 years ago
Long life for REM... our map and legend...
adolfdomg 3 years ago