In Argentina same sex marriage has been legal for over a year now, and neither society nor family as an institution have fallen apart.In the speech given by our president, Cristina Fernández, during the official act in which she signed the law, she said these beautiful words: “Today I woke up with the same rights I had yesterday. No one took anything from me. This law only grants right to millions of citizens, without taking anything from anyone else, and that’s what’s beautiful about this law”.
@BUNGIE458 Please refer to my previous reply to 'Kurio71'.
You're basing your opinion solely on 'religious' grounds. But, as I explained to Kurio71, marriage is "no longer" a solely religious institution; it's also a 'legal' institution which has absolutely nothing to do with religion. Just because you choose to be religious doesn't give you or other religious people the right to impose/force your beliefs & their associated impediments on everyone else - like gay couples who want to marry.
@BUNGIE458 You seem like a respectful Christian man and I as a respectful secular Jewish man would like for you to understand why marriage although performed in houses of worship it is not a religious matter. If it wasn't for unreligious marriages a Jewish man could not marry a non-Jewish woman even if both were heterosexual and fell in love, one of them would have to convert to the other's religion in order to be married despite any understanding or real commitment to that religion.
@Kurio71 People are still of the mistaken belief that it is as it was back in the 'Dark Ages'. But, this is the 21st Century & marriage is no longer necessarily a strictly 'religious' institution. It's also a 'legal' institution - hence the ability to get married by a Civil Celebrant (not a priest) anywhere one likes (not just in a church). That's why 'Civil Ceremonies' exist - they don't have to have anything to do with religion what-so-ever, yet they're still as legal as a church marriage.
@BunyipBlue1 Adding onto what you just said, divorce which happens regularly with straight couples was also something not invented by the religious sectar. "Till death do us part."
@Kurio71 Yes it is, but de facto couples are not afforded the same rights as married couples are. Hence, why some gay couples want the right to marry.
@Kurio71 because it is not, how do i know that? Because i know for the fact that Atheist gets married as well and many marriages do not involve blessing of any religious bodies neither. My sister marriage was blessed by both parents( as it happens to most VNese families
It might take a while, but eventually this anti-progressive, aging mainstream of bigoted politicians will be six feet under. And then we, the enlightened youth, can finally set things straight (and by "straight", I mean "all of you!!!") XD
@muteland Oh, that's easy. Australia is still being governed & dominated by religious zealots who are convinced that everyone else should conform to their standards of morality - whether we like it or not! ):-X
@Soundgarden8497 Even though she's not religious, she still panders to the 'Religious Right' on this subject knowing full well that if she didn't she'd lose all support from religious voters who's votes she needs to stay in government. (i.e. She can't afford to 'piss off' religious people by legalising gay marriage!)
@Soundgarden8497 That may be the case in the US, but here in Australia survey after survey has shown that the "MAJORITY" of Aussies "DO" want gay marriage made legal. So, you get over it --- your homophobia, that is!
same sex marriage is the way of the future. it is already legal from new york to buenos aires, from canada to south africa. even portugal! the quicker it gets legalized the best will history describe australia in the future.
@knight7fox2 Gillard rejected it 'cause she's a dumb cunt who can't see past her own ugly as fuck nose to see that the majority of Australians support the same-sex marriage act. Fuck Gillard. Fuck Abbot. Fuck all those who are against the act.
At least America is a country that has grown up and is now starting to allow same sex marriage unlike Australia which is a backwards bigoted prejudice intolerent country, Australia still does not allow same sex marriage and wont untill a long time to come, Australia is stuck in the dark ages.
@BunyipBlue1 There not afraid to say no to gay marriage. For crying out loud the womens an atheist and she herself dosent support a man and man being together. That tells me obama been paid off by the LGBT...
@kellyannabama excuse you. The moral argument is weak and was once made against inter-racial marriage. Love is love. Stop living in the dark ages and open up your tiny mind
i guess ill never understand why there has to be a debate about gay marriage and why we have to fight for our rights to simply show our love in front of family and friends and to have it legal. really, who are we hurting? it has nothing to do with any one else and we are all equal, its about time we got treated that way. not a little bit here and there but to have our rights completely as human beings
Let me get this straight...Charlie Sheen can make a "porn family", Kelsey Grammer can end a 15 year marriage over the phone, Larry King can be on divorce #9, Britney Spears had a 55 hour marriage, Jesse James and Tiger Woods, while married, were having sex with EVERYONE. Yet, the idea of same-sex marriage is going to destroy the institution of marriage? Really? Re-post if you are proud to support equal rights
@ice444 You are SOOOOOOOOOOOO right - it infuriates me that the only argument that the 'against' people have is to protect 'tradition and sanctity'.... it's absurd. = )
Let me get this straight...Charlie Sheen can make a "porn family", Kelsey Grammer can end a 15 year marriage over the phone, Larry King can be on divorce #9, Britney Spears had a 55 hour marriage, Jesse James and Tiger Woods, while married, were having sex with EVERYONE. Yet, the idea of same-sex marriage is going to destroy the institution of marriage? Really? Re-post if you are proud to support equal rights
Common Australia you can do it politicians need to get over themselves become like your commonwealth brothers Canada and the UK if the people want it give it to them give it to them maybe you'll get their vote!!!!!!! Durr I'm 17 and I know that
@TechnoRaver94 Unfortunately, Aussie politicians will never 'get over themselves', they're all obsessed with their own sense of self importance. They firmly believe that they & they alone know what's best for the people & impose their will & beliefs on all of us whether we like it or not - regardless of what we want.
Also, given that most of them are homophobic, Religious Right bigots, gay marriage is unlikely to happen here - ever! :-(
@BunyipBlue1 Even though they are elected in their electorate. Even though they are protecting the majority of Australian Culture and Australian Religious Beliefs.
Everybody has a right to speak, just because they dont agree with your view it doesn't make them bigots or homophobic.
BTW international viewers, this show isn't professional news casting. It's a program to make idiots feel sophisticated, bias bias bias.
Those polls conducted where? Sydney, Gimme a break
@abarford1 The parliament exists to protect "Australian Religious Beliefs"??? Somebody needs a lesson in liberal democracy and/or the separation of church and state. You're entitled to your religious beliefs, and you're entitled to model your own marriage as you see fit. However, you are not entitled in a democracy to try to enforce your religious beliefs on others through the law.
@beamla "You" who are you refering to, me or the Australain Parliament. I understand the theory behind liberal democracy but honestly, we celebrate Christmas and Easter as offical holidays passed by parliament, you can call a chicken a duck all you want to but it doesn't make it so. You need a lesson in Australian Constitution and understand how it has been drafted from other Constitution's and the Bible. Our system works, Australian Families dont want their children subject to this nonsense
@abarford1 Australian families include families that have gay teenagers who are entitled to the same respect as anyone else. The constitution established democracy in Australia and specifically states that the parliament will not make laws regulating religion in Australia. If you believe that marriage is a religious concept between a man and a woman- you are 100% entitled to be married in the eyes of the Church. However, the secular state should not regulate marriage with religion in mind.
@abarford1 Society and democracy changes over time. We have more democratic and human rights than we did when the Australian Constitution was first written. Yes, Europe was influenced by Christianity and it influenced its laws and culture. That is fine, no-one is disputing that. However, that in itself is not a good enough reason to justify a law in a secular democracy. It doesn't cut it to say- well we have a judeo-christian heritage. It's 2011 not 1500. Times change.
@beamla Ok race to change gay laws, 3 2 1 GO. You lose :). If we didn't have great people like our MPs standing up for Australian Values then we wouldn't have them. We have boarder control and citizenship tests for a reason, Gay marriage isn't in our culture, it never has been and it never will be in our lifetime. Bob Katter is a bloody legend and it's not just me that think it but the majoirty of north Queensland. Educate yourself with the 2007 Cenus and the majoirty of Australian religion fool
@abarford1 Given that you can't tell the difference between "boarder" and "border", and that you constantly capitalise things that are not pronouns, I have little faith in your ability to reach reasonable conclusions. "Gay marriage isn't in our culture"- this doesn't make sense as gay people are not a cultural phenomena but biologically exist in all cultures. Think about what you're saying- in a nutshell that Australia is a Christian nation therefore any law that doesn't fit the bible is wrong.
@abarford1 Consistent polling (from different sources) in Australia shows a majority of people support same-sex marriage. So it would seem many people don't find the idea "un-Australian". There are many people who identify as Christians (as reflected in the census) who don't have a problem with same-sex marriage. You seem to be assuming because they are Christians that they must share your own views.
It may not happen tomorrow, but it is happening within the next ten years.
@beamla different sources what a joke,politicians know these polls are taken from gay communities, try polling out in regional Australia see how far you get.This TV program is a joke and the fact that they had nobody to present the non-gay marriage view is a joke. All my statements still stand. They're just as many non gay marriage views as gay marriage views. These Politicians are smart, if they back the gay marriage vote they will lose their electric because majoirty of people dont support it.
@abarford1 It's called an electorate not "electric". Polling is not done by monkeys abarford, they take samples from different regions, ages, genders etc. So passing it off as only an inner city poll doesn't cut it. They know what they're doing. They're the same pollsters who do election polling estimates. It's been shown by different pollsters like Nielsen and Galaxy. There are Liberal and Labor politicians who publicly support same-sex marriage, so it isn't a fringe issue as you suggest.
@beamla I have 500 Characters to make my point, so i'm glad that shortening that word didn't lose it's meaning considering your've corrected me like the simple minded monkey you are. Now if I were to walk into a Jewish temple and asked to be Erusin and Nissu'in I wouldn't be able to because I'm not Jewish, thats the words used for their unions. Same for Muslisms. Christains use the word Marriage for unions. Now THIS IS THE ISSUE. you get Married UNDER GOD it is a CHRISTAIN UNION, get a GAY UNION
@abarford1 So why does it matter if people are "married" in the eyes of the State, but not the eyes of the Church? If a couple marries in a registry office, they don't have to ask for their marriage to be recognised by any Christian church, or Muslim faith, or Hindu faith etc. Gay people aren't asking for their relationships to be recognized by religions. It doesn't matter if it isn't permissible under religious law, because the State does not make religious law. It is quite simple.
@beamla Thats we're we dont see eye to eye, "Marriage" is a christian union, the fact that the fed gov took it up as a default union is bullshit. The christain religion has been deluded so much over the years, most people dont understand what Easter and Christmas is REALLY ABOUT yet they still celebrate it. These people are protecting their culture even though most of the world treat Marriage like a peice of crap it's still has meaning to the Christain Faith
@abarford1 marriage is not a christian union you fuckwit, religious people did not invent marriage, marriage was originally invented by tribes and clans, it is originally a tribal and clan tradition, your such a stupid fuckin idiot.
@MrJohnboy1984 Read the comments and do some research before dumbing down the conversation, you're referring to unions, sure various clans and tribes had their own version of a union but none of it was a union under god which is what a marriage is. Re-read this comment a fair few times and let it sink in before making yourself look like a bigger idiot, ta
@abarford1 You're not making a consistent argument. The Marriage Act does not adhere to the bible because it has mechanisms for no-fault divorce. Pretty much, it isn't a Christian law. The law is not meant to enforce religion that is just a ridiculous proposition. The arguments you're trying to make demonstrate that you don't understand what liberal democracy or the separation of church and state actually mean. Otherwise you would've made less ridiculous arguments.
@beamla Blah blah blah, keep making assumptions and low blows, half of the Australian Public will believe me and the other will believe you, there is aready a resolution to this issue and it's called civil unions. My argument does have water because it's correct, you're just not hearing it the way you want to hear it and it's the same as the resolution, just because it's not what you thought would happen doesn't mean it's not a positive outcome. End of story. Now shut the fuck up and be happy.
@beamla I'm frustrated because morons like you are representing the gay community, like the angry dyke in this video as well. The way it goes from representation if the gay community wanted somthing done then they're pretty much fucked. I'm all for everybodies rights but you cant go around calling everybody bigots and say they're discriminating and then have this peice of shit show only show one side it's not how it works. Your're 100 % correct, it's the word Marriage thats the problem
@beamla To add to that, I dont even think that straight non religious couples should get married you need to understand that when this act was passed in parliament in 1961according to Parliament everybody who wanted to be unioned religiously were christain. This was a huge mistake on their part. Now they are increasing the rights of Civil Union couples, thats not just gay couples BTW, which is a excellent idea. Marriage has become a streamline default union, this is not right. Understand ?
@abarford1 No, the Marriage Act is not a Christian law. Why? Because the lawyers who drafted that law were smart enough to realise that they were making secular law and not religious law. They were writing a document for the official recognition of relationships, not a document for the religious recognition of relationships. Understand? The Australian Constitution specifically grants the right to freedom of religion, and it is not possible to privilege one religious group over another.
@abarford1 I agree ignore these American gay right radicals trying to ruin your country. I for on wish are president will take a look at your country. The way you guys handle immigration, moral issue and race are really admirable.
@MamaMario13 apparently you didn't know abotu Nepal? Look it up. Nepal's Supreme Court ordered some time ago that the legislature draft equality legislation for gays and lesbians. They just haven't completed it yet. So, this means that Nepal techinically WILL have marriage equality in the near future. It was Nepal I was thinking of.
@Niik26 Unfortunately, politicians don't give a 'tinker's cuss' about our votes. Politicians know there aren't enough of us to make a difference to the outcome of any election. That's why they continue to treat us with contempt. :-(
@Niik26 I don't know whether you support or oppose gay marriage, but speaking personally as a gay man who is legally married to my same sex spouse in California, I find it immoral that the USA allowed this important issue to appear on the ballot. Civil rights of a minority should NEVER be subjected to the whim of the ignorant majority. Every country that has passed gay marriage laws has done so in the legislature or court. The USA got this totally wrong. The courts are correcting it now.
@Niik26 Good!! I suppose there are more ways to look at this issue. If the majority of people support gay marriage, then it would be fine to vote on it perhaps... The USA polls say that the majority of people now support it, but turning this into victory at the ballot box is more difficult. Every poll prior to Prop 8 showed that gay marriage would pass, and then look what happened after the vote! We lost. The same situation happened in Maine. Polls are unreliable.
In Argentina same sex marriage has been legal for over a year now, and neither society nor family as an institution have fallen apart.In the speech given by our president, Cristina Fernández, during the official act in which she signed the law, she said these beautiful words: “Today I woke up with the same rights I had yesterday. No one took anything from me. This law only grants right to millions of citizens, without taking anything from anyone else, and that’s what’s beautiful about this law”.
JFM284 2 months ago
@JFM284 What a truly beautiful thing to say! Argentinians are such enightened people. You're so lucky. :-)
BunyipBlue1 2 months ago
@JFM284 The same with Brazil :D Extrano CBA !! Quiero volver ;(
hazmonsterpaws 1 month ago
Dont like gay marriage? Don't have a gay marriage. Debate over. It's not rocket science.
theJoeshomshow 2 months ago 4
I lol'd when I realized they were playing "Girls and Boys" by Blur
6400loser 2 months ago
Julia Gillard is a fuckwit
kpeyrie 3 months ago
@BUNGIE458 Please refer to my previous reply to 'Kurio71'.
You're basing your opinion solely on 'religious' grounds. But, as I explained to Kurio71, marriage is "no longer" a solely religious institution; it's also a 'legal' institution which has absolutely nothing to do with religion. Just because you choose to be religious doesn't give you or other religious people the right to impose/force your beliefs & their associated impediments on everyone else - like gay couples who want to marry.
BunyipBlue1 4 months ago
@BUNGIE458 You seem like a respectful Christian man and I as a respectful secular Jewish man would like for you to understand why marriage although performed in houses of worship it is not a religious matter. If it wasn't for unreligious marriages a Jewish man could not marry a non-Jewish woman even if both were heterosexual and fell in love, one of them would have to convert to the other's religion in order to be married despite any understanding or real commitment to that religion.
muellerican 4 months ago
Is marriage a religious union? If so, why do gays want to get married?
Kurio71 4 months ago
@Kurio71 People are still of the mistaken belief that it is as it was back in the 'Dark Ages'. But, this is the 21st Century & marriage is no longer necessarily a strictly 'religious' institution. It's also a 'legal' institution - hence the ability to get married by a Civil Celebrant (not a priest) anywhere one likes (not just in a church). That's why 'Civil Ceremonies' exist - they don't have to have anything to do with religion what-so-ever, yet they're still as legal as a church marriage.
BunyipBlue1 4 months ago 6
@BunyipBlue1 Adding onto what you just said, divorce which happens regularly with straight couples was also something not invented by the religious sectar. "Till death do us part."
PivotPro333 3 months ago
@BunyipBlue1 What about Defacto? Isn't this legal?
Kurio71 2 months ago
@Kurio71 Yes it is, but de facto couples are not afforded the same rights as married couples are. Hence, why some gay couples want the right to marry.
BunyipBlue1 2 months ago
@BunyipBlue1 which rights do married couples get that de factos dont?
MamaMario13 3 weeks ago
@Kurio71 because it is not, how do i know that? Because i know for the fact that Atheist gets married as well and many marriages do not involve blessing of any religious bodies neither. My sister marriage was blessed by both parents( as it happens to most VNese families
keirenle 2 months ago
You heard them. They've got to sort out the issues with lawn mowers first!
PivotPro333 5 months ago
It might take a while, but eventually this anti-progressive, aging mainstream of bigoted politicians will be six feet under. And then we, the enlightened youth, can finally set things straight (and by "straight", I mean "all of you!!!") XD
jontron111 6 months ago
In the south Hemisphere, Argentina got same rights, Chile is discussing know in the parliament so What is happening with Australia?
muteland 6 months ago
@muteland Oh, that's easy. Australia is still being governed & dominated by religious zealots who are convinced that everyone else should conform to their standards of morality - whether we like it or not! ):-X
BunyipBlue1 6 months ago
@BunyipBlue1 gillard isn't even religious, wtf are u on about?
Soundgarden8497 5 months ago
@Soundgarden8497 Even though she's not religious, she still panders to the 'Religious Right' on this subject knowing full well that if she didn't she'd lose all support from religious voters who's votes she needs to stay in government. (i.e. She can't afford to 'piss off' religious people by legalising gay marriage!)
BunyipBlue1 5 months ago 2
@BunyipBlue1 the bottom line is, the majority of people dont want gays calling it "marriage", that's called democracy. get over it
Soundgarden8497 5 months ago
@Soundgarden8497 That may be the case in the US, but here in Australia survey after survey has shown that the "MAJORITY" of Aussies "DO" want gay marriage made legal. So, you get over it --- your homophobia, that is!
BunyipBlue1 5 months ago
@BunyipBlue1 not want, dont care is more like it!
frasatat2 2 months ago
Argh, for fuck's sake (literally ;D ), just fucking legalize it you old fucks!
MADMANx511 6 months ago
Australia hasn't yet joined the 21st century, Australia is still stuck in the 1800's.
MrJohnboy1984 7 months ago 2
@MrJohnboy1984 Oh, how true that is!
BunyipBlue1 7 months ago
@MrJohnboy1984
Well we were the first country to give women the right to vote.
Ladiesman1447 7 months ago
Yes that's only biblical .
VanDiemen08 7 months ago
same sex marriage is the way of the future. it is already legal from new york to buenos aires, from canada to south africa. even portugal! the quicker it gets legalized the best will history describe australia in the future.
muellerican 7 months ago
@muellerican yes, go out and multiply.
Kurio71 4 months ago
@Kurio71 lmfao
frasatat2 2 months ago
No means no, stop wasting our tax payer's money by bombarding the chambers with bills on gay marriage. Our MP voted it down for a reason.
knight7fox2 7 months ago
@knight7fox2 Gillard rejected it 'cause she's a dumb cunt who can't see past her own ugly as fuck nose to see that the majority of Australians support the same-sex marriage act. Fuck Gillard. Fuck Abbot. Fuck all those who are against the act.
MADMANx511 6 months ago
At least America is a country that has grown up and is now starting to allow same sex marriage unlike Australia which is a backwards bigoted prejudice intolerent country, Australia still does not allow same sex marriage and wont untill a long time to come, Australia is stuck in the dark ages.
MrJohnboy1984 8 months ago
im so happy austrialia still has a moral compass
kellyannabama 8 months ago
@kellyannabama What moral compass?? I refer you to the previous comment made by 'cherton'.
BunyipBlue1 8 months ago
@BunyipBlue1 There not afraid to say no to gay marriage. For crying out loud the womens an atheist and she herself dosent support a man and man being together. That tells me obama been paid off by the LGBT...
kellyannabama 8 months ago
@kellyannabama the moral compass to discriminate.
elizajj 8 months ago 2
@kellyannabama excuse you. The moral argument is weak and was once made against inter-racial marriage. Love is love. Stop living in the dark ages and open up your tiny mind
lozza1831 7 months ago
Breeders are always in the news for destroying the lives of children. THEY are the ones with no morals. They are pathetic LOL!
cherton 8 months ago
how that man managed not to go off the deep bd at Steve price's comment I will never know!
beccington16 9 months ago
i guess ill never understand why there has to be a debate about gay marriage and why we have to fight for our rights to simply show our love in front of family and friends and to have it legal. really, who are we hurting? it has nothing to do with any one else and we are all equal, its about time we got treated that way. not a little bit here and there but to have our rights completely as human beings
hales24049 9 months ago
can someone tell me what date this is from???
abchat1 9 months ago
@abchat1 15/11/10.
BunyipBlue1 9 months ago
seperation of church and state. This is bulls shit.....if we use the bible as a guide lets bring back slavery. BULLLLLLL SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTT
benaberry 9 months ago
walking and chewing gum at the same time is gay, anyway!
Call1800POO 9 months ago
Let me get this straight...Charlie Sheen can make a "porn family", Kelsey Grammer can end a 15 year marriage over the phone, Larry King can be on divorce #9, Britney Spears had a 55 hour marriage, Jesse James and Tiger Woods, while married, were having sex with EVERYONE. Yet, the idea of same-sex marriage is going to destroy the institution of marriage? Really? Re-post if you are proud to support equal rights
ice444 11 months ago 18
@ice444 Very well said! ;-)
BunyipBlue1 11 months ago
@ice444 You are SOOOOOOOOOOOO right - it infuriates me that the only argument that the 'against' people have is to protect 'tradition and sanctity'.... it's absurd. = )
TGIAustin911 1 month ago
I've got straight friends......
Let me get this straight...Charlie Sheen can make a "porn family", Kelsey Grammer can end a 15 year marriage over the phone, Larry King can be on divorce #9, Britney Spears had a 55 hour marriage, Jesse James and Tiger Woods, while married, were having sex with EVERYONE. Yet, the idea of same-sex marriage is going to destroy the institution of marriage? Really? Re-post if you are proud to support equal rights
ice444 11 months ago
civil unions dont have the same rights and legal protections as marriage
MamaMario13 1 year ago
Common Australia you can do it politicians need to get over themselves become like your commonwealth brothers Canada and the UK if the people want it give it to them give it to them maybe you'll get their vote!!!!!!! Durr I'm 17 and I know that
TechnoRaver94 1 year ago 2
@TechnoRaver94 Unfortunately, Aussie politicians will never 'get over themselves', they're all obsessed with their own sense of self importance. They firmly believe that they & they alone know what's best for the people & impose their will & beliefs on all of us whether we like it or not - regardless of what we want.
Also, given that most of them are homophobic, Religious Right bigots, gay marriage is unlikely to happen here - ever! :-(
BunyipBlue1 1 year ago
@BunyipBlue1 well they're all getting old so time for some "young-ins" so step in a rise to power I say =D
TechnoRaver94 1 year ago
@BunyipBlue1 Even though they are elected in their electorate. Even though they are protecting the majority of Australian Culture and Australian Religious Beliefs.
Everybody has a right to speak, just because they dont agree with your view it doesn't make them bigots or homophobic.
BTW international viewers, this show isn't professional news casting. It's a program to make idiots feel sophisticated, bias bias bias.
Those polls conducted where? Sydney, Gimme a break
abarford1 11 months ago
@abarford1 The parliament exists to protect "Australian Religious Beliefs"??? Somebody needs a lesson in liberal democracy and/or the separation of church and state. You're entitled to your religious beliefs, and you're entitled to model your own marriage as you see fit. However, you are not entitled in a democracy to try to enforce your religious beliefs on others through the law.
beamla 11 months ago
@beamla "You" who are you refering to, me or the Australain Parliament. I understand the theory behind liberal democracy but honestly, we celebrate Christmas and Easter as offical holidays passed by parliament, you can call a chicken a duck all you want to but it doesn't make it so. You need a lesson in Australian Constitution and understand how it has been drafted from other Constitution's and the Bible. Our system works, Australian Families dont want their children subject to this nonsense
abarford1 11 months ago
@abarford1 Australian families include families that have gay teenagers who are entitled to the same respect as anyone else. The constitution established democracy in Australia and specifically states that the parliament will not make laws regulating religion in Australia. If you believe that marriage is a religious concept between a man and a woman- you are 100% entitled to be married in the eyes of the Church. However, the secular state should not regulate marriage with religion in mind.
beamla 11 months ago
@abarford1 Society and democracy changes over time. We have more democratic and human rights than we did when the Australian Constitution was first written. Yes, Europe was influenced by Christianity and it influenced its laws and culture. That is fine, no-one is disputing that. However, that in itself is not a good enough reason to justify a law in a secular democracy. It doesn't cut it to say- well we have a judeo-christian heritage. It's 2011 not 1500. Times change.
beamla 11 months ago 2
@beamla Ok race to change gay laws, 3 2 1 GO. You lose :). If we didn't have great people like our MPs standing up for Australian Values then we wouldn't have them. We have boarder control and citizenship tests for a reason, Gay marriage isn't in our culture, it never has been and it never will be in our lifetime. Bob Katter is a bloody legend and it's not just me that think it but the majoirty of north Queensland. Educate yourself with the 2007 Cenus and the majoirty of Australian religion fool
abarford1 11 months ago
@abarford1 Given that you can't tell the difference between "boarder" and "border", and that you constantly capitalise things that are not pronouns, I have little faith in your ability to reach reasonable conclusions. "Gay marriage isn't in our culture"- this doesn't make sense as gay people are not a cultural phenomena but biologically exist in all cultures. Think about what you're saying- in a nutshell that Australia is a Christian nation therefore any law that doesn't fit the bible is wrong.
beamla 11 months ago
@abarford1 Consistent polling (from different sources) in Australia shows a majority of people support same-sex marriage. So it would seem many people don't find the idea "un-Australian". There are many people who identify as Christians (as reflected in the census) who don't have a problem with same-sex marriage. You seem to be assuming because they are Christians that they must share your own views.
It may not happen tomorrow, but it is happening within the next ten years.
beamla 11 months ago
@beamla different sources what a joke,politicians know these polls are taken from gay communities, try polling out in regional Australia see how far you get.This TV program is a joke and the fact that they had nobody to present the non-gay marriage view is a joke. All my statements still stand. They're just as many non gay marriage views as gay marriage views. These Politicians are smart, if they back the gay marriage vote they will lose their electric because majoirty of people dont support it.
abarford1 11 months ago
@abarford1 It's called an electorate not "electric". Polling is not done by monkeys abarford, they take samples from different regions, ages, genders etc. So passing it off as only an inner city poll doesn't cut it. They know what they're doing. They're the same pollsters who do election polling estimates. It's been shown by different pollsters like Nielsen and Galaxy. There are Liberal and Labor politicians who publicly support same-sex marriage, so it isn't a fringe issue as you suggest.
beamla 11 months ago
@beamla I have 500 Characters to make my point, so i'm glad that shortening that word didn't lose it's meaning considering your've corrected me like the simple minded monkey you are. Now if I were to walk into a Jewish temple and asked to be Erusin and Nissu'in I wouldn't be able to because I'm not Jewish, thats the words used for their unions. Same for Muslisms. Christains use the word Marriage for unions. Now THIS IS THE ISSUE. you get Married UNDER GOD it is a CHRISTAIN UNION, get a GAY UNION
abarford1 11 months ago
@abarford1 So why does it matter if people are "married" in the eyes of the State, but not the eyes of the Church? If a couple marries in a registry office, they don't have to ask for their marriage to be recognised by any Christian church, or Muslim faith, or Hindu faith etc. Gay people aren't asking for their relationships to be recognized by religions. It doesn't matter if it isn't permissible under religious law, because the State does not make religious law. It is quite simple.
beamla 11 months ago 2
@beamla Thats we're we dont see eye to eye, "Marriage" is a christian union, the fact that the fed gov took it up as a default union is bullshit. The christain religion has been deluded so much over the years, most people dont understand what Easter and Christmas is REALLY ABOUT yet they still celebrate it. These people are protecting their culture even though most of the world treat Marriage like a peice of crap it's still has meaning to the Christain Faith
abarford1 11 months ago
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MrJohnboy1984 8 months ago
@abarford1 marriage is not a christian union you fuckwit, religious people did not invent marriage, marriage was originally invented by tribes and clans, it is originally a tribal and clan tradition, your such a stupid fuckin idiot.
MrJohnboy1984 8 months ago
@MrJohnboy1984 Read the comments and do some research before dumbing down the conversation, you're referring to unions, sure various clans and tribes had their own version of a union but none of it was a union under god which is what a marriage is. Re-read this comment a fair few times and let it sink in before making yourself look like a bigger idiot, ta
abarford1 8 months ago
@abarford1 You're not making a consistent argument. The Marriage Act does not adhere to the bible because it has mechanisms for no-fault divorce. Pretty much, it isn't a Christian law. The law is not meant to enforce religion that is just a ridiculous proposition. The arguments you're trying to make demonstrate that you don't understand what liberal democracy or the separation of church and state actually mean. Otherwise you would've made less ridiculous arguments.
beamla 11 months ago 2
@beamla Blah blah blah, keep making assumptions and low blows, half of the Australian Public will believe me and the other will believe you, there is aready a resolution to this issue and it's called civil unions. My argument does have water because it's correct, you're just not hearing it the way you want to hear it and it's the same as the resolution, just because it's not what you thought would happen doesn't mean it's not a positive outcome. End of story. Now shut the fuck up and be happy.
abarford1 11 months ago
@abarford1 Haha, I am happy. But you seem frustrated. And it sounds like this mostly comes down to the word "marriage".
beamla 11 months ago
@beamla I'm frustrated because morons like you are representing the gay community, like the angry dyke in this video as well. The way it goes from representation if the gay community wanted somthing done then they're pretty much fucked. I'm all for everybodies rights but you cant go around calling everybody bigots and say they're discriminating and then have this peice of shit show only show one side it's not how it works. Your're 100 % correct, it's the word Marriage thats the problem
abarford1 11 months ago
@beamla To add to that, I dont even think that straight non religious couples should get married you need to understand that when this act was passed in parliament in 1961according to Parliament everybody who wanted to be unioned religiously were christain. This was a huge mistake on their part. Now they are increasing the rights of Civil Union couples, thats not just gay couples BTW, which is a excellent idea. Marriage has become a streamline default union, this is not right. Understand ?
abarford1 11 months ago
@abarford1 No, the Marriage Act is not a Christian law. Why? Because the lawyers who drafted that law were smart enough to realise that they were making secular law and not religious law. They were writing a document for the official recognition of relationships, not a document for the religious recognition of relationships. Understand? The Australian Constitution specifically grants the right to freedom of religion, and it is not possible to privilege one religious group over another.
beamla 11 months ago
@abarford1 I agree ignore these American gay right radicals trying to ruin your country. I for on wish are president will take a look at your country. The way you guys handle immigration, moral issue and race are really admirable.
kellyannabama 8 months ago
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@HShroder10 It is rather embarassing that Australia is the ONLY continent without gay marraige. Even Africa has gay marriage (South Africa)...
lisztnut 1 year ago
@lisztnut actually there is no Asian country which allows it either (although Japan is considering it): just sayin :P
MamaMario13 3 weeks ago
@MamaMario13 apparently you didn't know abotu Nepal? Look it up. Nepal's Supreme Court ordered some time ago that the legislature draft equality legislation for gays and lesbians. They just haven't completed it yet. So, this means that Nepal techinically WILL have marriage equality in the near future. It was Nepal I was thinking of.
lisztnut 3 weeks ago
@MamaMario13 Incidentally, this may surprise you, but there is a push in Cuba for marriage equality, and Slovenia is debating it as we speak.
lisztnut 3 weeks ago
I wish the politicians would look at our votes.
Niik26 1 year ago
@Niik26 Unfortunately, politicians don't give a 'tinker's cuss' about our votes. Politicians know there aren't enough of us to make a difference to the outcome of any election. That's why they continue to treat us with contempt. :-(
BunyipBlue1 1 year ago
@Niik26 I don't know whether you support or oppose gay marriage, but speaking personally as a gay man who is legally married to my same sex spouse in California, I find it immoral that the USA allowed this important issue to appear on the ballot. Civil rights of a minority should NEVER be subjected to the whim of the ignorant majority. Every country that has passed gay marriage laws has done so in the legislature or court. The USA got this totally wrong. The courts are correcting it now.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@lisztnut I support gay marriage, I'm gay also.
Niik26 1 year ago
@Niik26 Good!! I suppose there are more ways to look at this issue. If the majority of people support gay marriage, then it would be fine to vote on it perhaps... The USA polls say that the majority of people now support it, but turning this into victory at the ballot box is more difficult. Every poll prior to Prop 8 showed that gay marriage would pass, and then look what happened after the vote! We lost. The same situation happened in Maine. Polls are unreliable.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@HShroder10 Canada.
GeorgeBradJohnson 1 year ago
Its great to see a debate about this, maybe Australia really can, 'move forward'.
Tarhini 1 year ago
@Tarhini Maybe! But, it's going to take an awful long time - our politicians have to 'get over' their homophobia first. :-{
BunyipBlue1 1 year ago