The VA Appeals system takes, on average, 2 years to make a decision.
I called my Congressman's office (Tonko, NY, 21st District) 6 months after going before a VA Judge and THREE DAYS LATER they made a decision to up my PTSD rating from 30% to 50%.
If I get 4 years of retro disability pay is another story, but if you make the system work for you, shit gets done.
VA's unofficial politic is to delay, delay and delay more asking the victim to proove that all injuries are related to the service. The more you(the victim) try to proove it, the harder it get cause now they can oppose diagnostics and experts.
The system is not there to help vets, it's there to kill them faster, so they don't have to pay.
As a veteran, I am stuck in this ''procedure of appeal'' myself, trying to be admited to a VA medical center.
OK he is a VET but he has to prove that he was injured in Iraq....but the financial system says they need to get money right away or the world will come to an end....but don't have to prove it.....Detroit says they will go bankrupt but don't have to prove it before getting money.....I don't care what the soldiers ask for, if they went over there and were in combact where they could have died at any minute, then that is enough to take care of them for the rest of their lives..
i hope he fuckking dies. all they do in iraq is corrupt and kill civilians. over 1000,000 civilians killed in iraq in the past 5 years. that's how many widows? how many orphans? how many dead children? how many handicaps? and we should worry about the fucking soldiers who caused all this?
They deserve it ! Why did they go there to bomb and kill people ? For fun ? For money ? They got what they deserved. I feel no pity for them. None so ever. That war was about money for bush`s friends.
You are an idiot... I'm against the war but I support the troops. You just made the most Anti-American statement that I've ever heard. I hope you get in a horrific car wreck and die and then I can say you deserve it... you went there and drove and you killed people including yourself. For Fun? For Money/work? For Food. Don't disrespect the Soldiers becuase of Bush's war crimes. Support the troops no matter what or leave this country becuase people like are why the rest of the world hates us!!!!!
I wonder who`s the idiot here. Can u think ? You seem not to. Why ? What`s blocking you ? Why do you support that war ? It makes more american to bomb the world ? Does it feel good to kill other people ? Does it make you feel proud and man enough ? Did you got a contract in Iraq ? Shoul I go on or did get the point ?
Looks like you're still the idiot.. I didn't say I was for the war. I was adamantly against it from the beginning because I knew we wouldn't be greeted as liberators and it would just create a quagmire. Please educate yourself past the level of an 8th grader and you might understand. Let me guess you're one of the few remaining disgruntled Republican's. Go and privatize your social security now and see how you do. Without democrats blocking that GW Bush idea... the US would already be bankrupt!!
They way Vets are treated in this country is a disgrace to the nation. Think about what they've done... putting their lives on the line to protect liberty and happiness for all of us. The fact that there are homeless and injured vets that our country turns their back on is a disgrace. Damn you Reagan, George HW Bush, Clinton, and most of all GW Bush for putting our most ardent patriots through this. 1% of the people in this world have 80% of the wealth and we can't help our own injured soldiers!
The VA has many different arms,if you will. This report isn't saying that this veteran received bad health care. What they are saying is that the compensation and pension section of the VA is not responding as it should to the needs of veterans.
The VA has treated this soldier for injuries received during a deployment, yet the c&p division isn't acknowledging that the injuries happened while deployed.
As a Veteran of iraq myself, These guys don't need this type of shit after coming home from combat. I've been a Marine for 18 years and been to very shitty places. Anyway, After (/11 What happened? Americans wanted blood and they could care less who it was. There was a record amount of people who volunteered to fight. Look at Pat Tillman... We need to embrace these young men and women with open arms and try to give them back some type of normal life. Semper Fi.
Yes we did sign up and yes we did get payed. But when your severing over seas and see your friends head get blown off and see friends you have been training for years with die. No amount of money can erase that from your head. Its like watching a really Fed up movie every time you go to sleep. Just want you to know for some it still hunts us. Honor the men who fought for our country and respect them even though they show weakness. And if you really have something to say try to walk in my shoes.
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The head fractures that cause Posttrumatic syndrome need to be address! why did the missile hit the pentagon budget dept. why was tax money diverted from the vet funds and 2.1 trillion dollars went missing! The green blood bath for corporate hitlers needs to be stop immediately! Protest all wars, demand peace and demand leadership with justice & peace, as well as real security military build up, only for evil wars that must be fought from evil nations and evil doers.
George Bush ran as the "Responsibility Presidency" in 2000. Now he is acting like Iraq War "The White Papers" (similar to Vietnam era "The Pentagon Papers") don't even exist.
His act, trying to use the AP as his own public relations firm to rewrite history - makes me feel ill.
Sure, they need help. They needed help when they decided to sign their lives away for GWB and his fascist regime. They signed up and decided to fight for GWB the criminal, and they paid the price.
My step father works at a VA in Arizona and is always talking about the lack of staff and long wait times most vets have to deal with.
I'm not sure how you call this "crap" if you actually listened to it. I recently had a traumatic head injury and I can tell you first had, that it can be hard dealing with many of the post concussion syndrome problems. Add to that Post traumatic stress syndrome, and I can't blame anyone for asking for additional medical help.
Because you sent me a response I went back and listened this time. Not enough information here to verify if what they say is true. Not enough information here to determine how many of these cases fall into which category of severity. The problem for me with this effort is that it has Michael Moore's name attached to it. Michael Moore is a master at half truths, innuendo and outright lies. That is my opinion.
I'm a vet. I go to a VA hospital and I get good treatment there. That is my experience.
The VA's only problem is inconsistency. I go there and have had no problem getting treatment or compensation. They are a little slow right now but thats just because of the influx of people. You have hundreds of thousands of cases where before there were thousands. That and traumatic brain injury is a relatively new medical diagnoses. It takes a set amount of time before standardization of treatment and benefits will come about.
So I ask a viable question and you counter that you'll let me figure it out for myself, if I can, and then just go into a tirade of why you dislike MM instead of posting even 1 example of what he has supposedly lied about? Humor me, then... just one example of MM's lies?
I'm obviously not the one in darkness if it is YOU that can't provide the information I've requested after YOUR claim of MM's dishonesty. But you have definitely started a thought process within my mind that the reason people can't name any examples is because there aren't any as evidenced by the many attempts at refuting his claims that have been squashed AND the fact that everyone else I've asked pretty much resort to the same song and dance.
Hey! It wasn't ME that was bitching and moaning about MM... that would be you! And for you to label me as a 'homosexual canadian' without even knowing me really speaks volumes of your level of intelligence...or lack thereof. Why is it that even when you're presented with a viable question that you can't answer, your next step is to attempt to label and insult? It seems that you mistake your ignorance for actual knowledge.
STILL can't answer the question, I see.... and then try to counter with a question of your own. In case you forgot, the question I asked was "Can you actually name something that MM has lied about?" If you can do that, I'll answer your question...
As we go through the long list of lies and tricks in Fahrenheit 9/11, keep in mind that Michael Moore has assembled a "war room" of political operatives and ...
I also left you the option to name just ONE lie from MM whether it be from his films or otherwise so, basically, you are ALSO being offered simplicity.
* Overview - "Fahrenheit 9/11" trivializes the US invasion of Afghanistan.
Maybe so, but seeing how the very actions of our government trivialized the Afghanistan invasion by invading Iraq, I don't think MM was acting without precedent from the Bush Administration as the focal point of the movie was our invasion of Iraq.
* Lie #1: The US media did not cover the Taliban's December 1997 meeting with UNOCAL.
I seem to remember him describing the coverage as minimal.
LOL! You've done nothing to disprove anything that was said nor provided any transcripts, videos, or anything of the sort that could be evidence in your cause. But it is ME that is in the darkness?
There are literally reams of data out there refuting MM's claims. His clever way of twisting facts to support a position on anything are well known. If you just copy and paste any one of my last comments here on google you will see they all lead you to information that you will not consider.
"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."
Believe what you want to believe, of course, but you are living in darkness.
Yawn! If you call THAT refuting claims, then I just won the Indy 500. You have provided NOTHING that even has a remote possibility of making me think otherwise as it is the typical yang that most of MM's haters spew just out of pure political leaning. What can I say? I gave you chance after chance and you failed miserably. So I guess this means I will go back to living in my "darkness" (LOL) and you will go back to living in whatever. Nice stab, though!
Don't thank me... I did nothing. And we didn't even get a chance to talk about my personal opinion of MM. I think the man is a biased pest but the truth is that he gets people thinking outside of the box and I truly believe his motives are sincere and if he didn't do it the way he does it, he wouldn't be as loved or as hated. But all the rebuttals against his claims have fallen flat.
Yeah... it is pretty hard to argue with ignorance. Especially when you're dealing with someone who is so quick to label another a "homosexual canadian" because he or she couldn't answer a simple question.
Apology accepted! But it has nothing to do with semiotics as much as it has to do with typical 'playbook mentality'... If you're unsure of what you're talking about, commence with the insults and assumptions in a futile attempt to disguise your lack of knowledge... it DOES work from time to time but only if you happen to have a majority on hand.
In the following article I will go sentence by sentence through the part of Fahrenheit 9/11 that deals with why the US invaded Afghanistan. I will show that every claim Michael Moore makes in this part of his film is a lie, either outright or by implication. I will show that Moore strings falsehoods together to create a fictional picture of why the US went into Afghanistan.
I think you're kind of wasting your time. The focal point of 'Fahrenheit 9/11' was why the U.S. invaded Iraq...not Afghanistan. Sure...he dabbled on it for a few minutes and left it pretty much alone... kind of the way the Bush Administration did. But I already expected this kind of drivel as opposed to some cold facts as well as the referencing to only one of MM's films. Even the attempted rebuttal of 'Fahrenheit 9/11', 'FahrenHYPE 9/11' did nothing to defuse any of Moore's charges.
Never smugly declared anything... just pointed out a simple fact that is backed up by your own posts. If I knew of any medical procedures that would help cure you of your 'Sarah Palin' syndrome that keeps you from answering questions, I would definitely impart it to you.
The sacred trust between our guardians and our leaders continues to be violated. I'm a veteran, thankfully I don't need the services of the VA, but this government owes our uniformed service personnel what ever they require to be made whole. These are our brothers and sisters, they deserve our respect and gratitude.
Wonder where the money will come from? Well, let some of the fat rat politicians forfeit their raises this year, that would fund part of it. Stop funding foreign countries and put that money into a fund for our military. Investigate the welfare system and get those who are abusing it off, stop giving all illegal immigrants full benefits because of their immigration status. These things alone would free up quite alot of money, why not give it a try?It's a start!
OUTRAGEOUS! They have to prove that his injuries came from the war? He was in an explosion. The VA diagnosed it yet will NOT continue to pay for his meds he has to have just to function. Why not pass another "BAIL OUT" worth millions or billions to ensure those who fought for our country are taken care of. Even if they did not receive physical injuries, imagine the things they must have seen. Clearly counseling will be needed. I'm ruinning out of space so please see next response.
Shouldn't all these soldiers be in jail? I'm all for being soft on crime, but they did murder rather a lot of people. Then there's the armed robbery, kidnapping, assault, arson, vandalism, etc.
I don't think a few years in jail is too much to ask.
Most of the soldiers there don't want to be there and they are fighting to stay alive. I don't agree with the war, but what you just said in outrageous. That is there job to kill or be killed and a lot of them don't like it. Most os them there went into the mili to go to school, but all they got was a war so they are fighting to get out. Lets put you in jail if you were in their shoes.lets put big corps and incs in jail for what they do to American fams or the gov for the mili.
some do need to jail for war crimes, but don't you think going to war is hell enough for any and everyone no matter what side they're on. I think you should rethink your comment.
There is not many others. It is EVERY other wounded soldier. They are all getting screwed. The government would rather see you die in combat than just getting injured. It's cheaper for them to pay for a funeral than it is to pay for lifetime medical care. They should really consider those things before starting false wars based on a bed of lies.
As a Canadian, it is so heart-warming to see comments like these. What's happening to this man is utterly wrong and unjustifiable after what he did for your country. America has been a great country and it can be great again if caring and informed people like you take it back. Good luck in these tough times!
Where are all of the warhawks that were screaming about "supporing our troops" and "Being Patriotic?" They don't have SQUAT (and I wanted to say another s-word) to say on these issues.
It is so typical of large institutions/companies regulating disability claims etc to deny responsibility - they would lose money. A good friend of mine became an advocate for individuals because of this. He was telling me about a client of his being denied even though the x-ray showed the actual metal plate in his head as a result of an accident. These institutions rely on the fact that the infirmed are just that - infirmed and are too weak, fragile to fight for their rights. Shame on them.
A message to all gay and lesbian folks. Please feel free to consider Crawford, Texas a new town that accepts all lifestyles. It is very quaint and the weather is wonderful. I understand the Bush family will welcome you with open arms(not). Also, I think they should build a Vet hospital there as well. That way, Bush can witness all the grief he has brought.
Veterans dare to call it TREASON. Even older vets have been illegally denied due process, had their benefits stolen by intentional VA malpractice, been personally betrayed by John McCain, by lying doctors, by politically correct anti-medical marijuana prejudices. We have shoes and more in store for the bastards.
Sorry Vets but you don't qualify for a bail out because you are not lucrative to to future world government."
How dare you how dare you imply anything about the bail out only Shrubs Base supporters are qualified for a bailout us peons who do the actual work don't we are not worthy enough to get free government money in he form of CEO bonuses to support their mansions with! The AP asked all the banks who got the money 4 ?'s about it not one bank replied back!
What the hell? Talk about a broken system. I heard on the news two days ago on CNN that they were building an Animal hospital for the dogs of combat for $15 million. My reaction was intense and immediate. WTF is going on? So men in their 20s have strokes as a rule?? Give me a break. Was this guy on serious meds before his duty? Man! So long Bush. Go hide in Texas and hide in your friggin fairytale bible.
Prehaps if some of the $30,000,000,000 that AIPAC are asking the US for over the next ten years, to fund Israels' ethnic cleansing (check their web site), was spent on helping these guys, that might help a little.
my best friend returned from Iraq having been shot 3 times. They shot him up with so much morphine in the hospital, he became addicted. He came home and ended up being a druggie and was busted for possession of a controlled substance, so the VA dropped all of his benefits because he got a criminal record.
It's bullshit, I've known the guy since we were 6, and he's always been a straight, clean guy. Now he's a multiple felon, on probation that cant find a job. It's fucking pathetic
oh my gosh..how SAD. that is so painful to see your friends self destruct. i asked a neighbor yesterday why the fuck this sick FUCKING NASTY COUNTRY doesn't take care of its' chilren and elderly? and he said "WHY SHOULD WE?!" FUCK U AMERICA!
drugs are not the answer. That's why he looks all zoned out and dry. He needs some good, clean, mental help from a team of doctors and shrinks...or he's gunna be a suicide case.
im a liberal, but my brother is in Iraq. He didnt sign up to kill anybody....just like the other 99% of enlistees, he joined for benefits, college tuition and job security. And your telling me you have no pity for 18 year olds that get shot up......you're a dick.
And the thing is, I know your response will be, they knew that they could go to war when they signed up......well with that being true, thats a valid arguement, but when the economy sucks you have to do whatever to pay the bills
Hey crowdaddy I am going to college on a Pell Grant that every American has! and it covers everything! tuition and books and I have NO INCOME AND THE GOVERNMENT IS GIVING ME A STAFFORD LOAN... SO YOUR IGNORANT TO THE FACT THAT YOU CAN GO TO SCHOOL WITHOUT KILLING ANYONE! I might be a dick but I still wish peace to you and yours... I reject your hate and give you love peace brother!
and if the economy was good enough for my brother to get a job, and if college didnt cost $60k, he would either be sitting in a classroom right now or working in an office....so fuck your theory that everyone just flocks to the recruiting office so they can shoot guns and blow shit up....my brother is a fucking aircraft mechanic, but that doesnt mean he's immune to roadside bombs, mortars and snipers. Most people that get killed over there are in support roles, trying to learn a trade.
That little bitch George Bush needs to pay for what he has done.. Who gives a shit if he is president right now! He needs to pay for lieying and sending innocent Men and Women to fight a rich mans war! Id love to beat the living shit out of that old FUCK!
Don't believe the government about anything.
It doesn't exist for your benefit. It exists to rob you and use you to further the interests of the extremely rich.
And the media only exists to assist in that process.
Txsray 11 months ago
I never thought i would say this in my life-time , but being a proud american is an oxymoron .
MrFatbee 2 years ago
The VA Appeals system takes, on average, 2 years to make a decision.
I called my Congressman's office (Tonko, NY, 21st District) 6 months after going before a VA Judge and THREE DAYS LATER they made a decision to up my PTSD rating from 30% to 50%.
If I get 4 years of retro disability pay is another story, but if you make the system work for you, shit gets done.
TimmyHaag 2 years ago
I am a Vet of OIF2 and if you are an Iraq Vet too listen to this for your own good.
I've been fighting the VA for a higher disability rating for my;PTSD,TBI,ankles, knees, and back, and have been slow balled all the way.
First thing you need to do is get an American Legion VA Rep to fight for you.
Second, call your Congress person and tell them you are a young Vet and you need help getting shit done.
Do this and shit will get done, if not then you are a sucker, sorry and you are welcome.
TimmyHaag 2 years ago
It's absolutly discusting, the country with the worlds largest military budget has one the worst health care systems!Where's there bailout!?
dsspike51 2 years ago
NO DEAL.
VA's unofficial politic is to delay, delay and delay more asking the victim to proove that all injuries are related to the service. The more you(the victim) try to proove it, the harder it get cause now they can oppose diagnostics and experts.
The system is not there to help vets, it's there to kill them faster, so they don't have to pay.
As a veteran, I am stuck in this ''procedure of appeal'' myself, trying to be admited to a VA medical center.
LIFE SUCKS
abbittibbi1 3 years ago 2
Very sad but real. I feel sorry for the VETs. Shame on the VA.
sjrambo21111 3 years ago
america the beautiful...
CreamyGoodness47 3 years ago
leadership by accountants is deadly!
bajawind 3 years ago
CONFIDNZ has left the building.
Obviously trying desperately to discover how I knew he was an homosexual Canadian.
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
Just can't accept the fact that you haven't a clue, huh? It's OK... you're not alone...
confidnz 3 years ago
OK he is a VET but he has to prove that he was injured in Iraq....but the financial system says they need to get money right away or the world will come to an end....but don't have to prove it.....Detroit says they will go bankrupt but don't have to prove it before getting money.....I don't care what the soldiers ask for, if they went over there and were in combact where they could have died at any minute, then that is enough to take care of them for the rest of their lives..
prideventures 3 years ago
i hope he fuckking dies. all they do in iraq is corrupt and kill civilians. over 1000,000 civilians killed in iraq in the past 5 years. that's how many widows? how many orphans? how many dead children? how many handicaps? and we should worry about the fucking soldiers who caused all this?
shamsed 3 years ago
They deserve it ! Why did they go there to bomb and kill people ? For fun ? For money ? They got what they deserved. I feel no pity for them. None so ever. That war was about money for bush`s friends.
Dax47 3 years ago
You are an idiot... I'm against the war but I support the troops. You just made the most Anti-American statement that I've ever heard. I hope you get in a horrific car wreck and die and then I can say you deserve it... you went there and drove and you killed people including yourself. For Fun? For Money/work? For Food. Don't disrespect the Soldiers becuase of Bush's war crimes. Support the troops no matter what or leave this country becuase people like are why the rest of the world hates us!!!!!
KyndestKid 3 years ago
I wonder who`s the idiot here. Can u think ? You seem not to. Why ? What`s blocking you ? Why do you support that war ? It makes more american to bomb the world ? Does it feel good to kill other people ? Does it make you feel proud and man enough ? Did you got a contract in Iraq ? Shoul I go on or did get the point ?
Dax47 3 years ago
Looks like you're still the idiot.. I didn't say I was for the war. I was adamantly against it from the beginning because I knew we wouldn't be greeted as liberators and it would just create a quagmire. Please educate yourself past the level of an 8th grader and you might understand. Let me guess you're one of the few remaining disgruntled Republican's. Go and privatize your social security now and see how you do. Without democrats blocking that GW Bush idea... the US would already be bankrupt!!
KyndestKid 3 years ago
You really are a true american :) Congrats !
ps: with or without the subtitles ? :))
Dax47 3 years ago
They way Vets are treated in this country is a disgrace to the nation. Think about what they've done... putting their lives on the line to protect liberty and happiness for all of us. The fact that there are homeless and injured vets that our country turns their back on is a disgrace. Damn you Reagan, George HW Bush, Clinton, and most of all GW Bush for putting our most ardent patriots through this. 1% of the people in this world have 80% of the wealth and we can't help our own injured soldiers!
KyndestKid 3 years ago 2
The VA has many different arms,if you will. This report isn't saying that this veteran received bad health care. What they are saying is that the compensation and pension section of the VA is not responding as it should to the needs of veterans.
The VA has treated this soldier for injuries received during a deployment, yet the c&p division isn't acknowledging that the injuries happened while deployed.
BedouinJules 3 years ago
They signed up for it, they got payed, they should shut up. Damn liberals.
WKaliber1 3 years ago
As a Veteran of iraq myself, These guys don't need this type of shit after coming home from combat. I've been a Marine for 18 years and been to very shitty places. Anyway, After (/11 What happened? Americans wanted blood and they could care less who it was. There was a record amount of people who volunteered to fight. Look at Pat Tillman... We need to embrace these young men and women with open arms and try to give them back some type of normal life. Semper Fi.
shippainoki 3 years ago
Yes we did sign up and yes we did get payed. But when your severing over seas and see your friends head get blown off and see friends you have been training for years with die. No amount of money can erase that from your head. Its like watching a really Fed up movie every time you go to sleep. Just want you to know for some it still hunts us. Honor the men who fought for our country and respect them even though they show weakness. And if you really have something to say try to walk in my shoes.
philiparroyo25 3 years ago
the soldiers should be taken care of but you should rise up and smash the war criminal bush for your friends
ipwnorcs 3 years ago
YOU should shut up... and ENLIST!!!
confidnz 3 years ago
I'm not a sucker like shippainoki
WKaliber1 3 years ago
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KamikazeKoscki 3 years ago
The head fractures that cause Posttrumatic syndrome need to be address! why did the missile hit the pentagon budget dept. why was tax money diverted from the vet funds and 2.1 trillion dollars went missing! The green blood bath for corporate hitlers needs to be stop immediately! Protest all wars, demand peace and demand leadership with justice & peace, as well as real security military build up, only for evil wars that must be fought from evil nations and evil doers.
KamikazeKoscki 3 years ago
George Bush ran as the "Responsibility Presidency" in 2000. Now he is acting like Iraq War "The White Papers" (similar to Vietnam era "The Pentagon Papers") don't even exist.
His act, trying to use the AP as his own public relations firm to rewrite history - makes me feel ill.
greatbroad 3 years ago
Sure, they need help. They needed help when they decided to sign their lives away for GWB and his fascist regime. They signed up and decided to fight for GWB the criminal, and they paid the price.
toomerepu 3 years ago
fuck this motherfucker just play final fantasy
aquafishsoup 3 years ago
I'm a vet.
I go to the VA when I need medical help.
I have nothing but good things to say about our Veteran's Hospitals.
I doubt the claims of this video even though I didn't bother to listen to this crap.
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
@TAMARLANE
My step father works at a VA in Arizona and is always talking about the lack of staff and long wait times most vets have to deal with.
I'm not sure how you call this "crap" if you actually listened to it. I recently had a traumatic head injury and I can tell you first had, that it can be hard dealing with many of the post concussion syndrome problems. Add to that Post traumatic stress syndrome, and I can't blame anyone for asking for additional medical help.
Tristonaz 3 years ago
Because you sent me a response I went back and listened this time. Not enough information here to verify if what they say is true. Not enough information here to determine how many of these cases fall into which category of severity. The problem for me with this effort is that it has Michael Moore's name attached to it. Michael Moore is a master at half truths, innuendo and outright lies. That is my opinion.
I'm a vet. I go to a VA hospital and I get good treatment there. That is my experience.
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
@TAMARLANE
Well, I certainly won't argue with your experience, and I can't say that this video clip is enough to certify the VA's handling of vets in general.
However, I've met many Vet's that haven't had many good experience with the VA, so I would suggest that a closer look at the issue is warranted.
Plus, if the treatment of this ex soldier is anything near what this video portrays, as an American I am outraged.
Tristonaz 3 years ago
The VA's only problem is inconsistency. I go there and have had no problem getting treatment or compensation. They are a little slow right now but thats just because of the influx of people. You have hundreds of thousands of cases where before there were thousands. That and traumatic brain injury is a relatively new medical diagnoses. It takes a set amount of time before standardization of treatment and benefits will come about.
jaschnelle 3 years ago
Hmmm... can you actually state exactly what MM has lied about? If you have a list handy, I've got the time...
confidnz 3 years ago
Funny question dude.
Thanks for the invitation but I will let you figure it out for yourself. If yuo can.
Michael Moore is a cruel joke of a person.
He takes things and works them backwards making a worst case scenario for his "It cuold have happened that way" zeitgeist.
Sorry, but I think MM is a waste of human flesh. and a LOT of that.
A clothes hanger.
A rice bag. Sayonara salaam
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
So I ask a viable question and you counter that you'll let me figure it out for myself, if I can, and then just go into a tirade of why you dislike MM instead of posting even 1 example of what he has supposedly lied about? Humor me, then... just one example of MM's lies?
confidnz 3 years ago
It does require a thought process.
If you cannot see it for yourself,
then you will remain in darkness.
Of an early death
showing no sign
the cicada's voice.
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
I'm obviously not the one in darkness if it is YOU that can't provide the information I've requested after YOUR claim of MM's dishonesty. But you have definitely started a thought process within my mind that the reason people can't name any examples is because there aren't any as evidenced by the many attempts at refuting his claims that have been squashed AND the fact that everyone else I've asked pretty much resort to the same song and dance.
confidnz 3 years ago
DARKNESS
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
Here is some humor for you.
All one needs for success. "Ignorance and self-confidence."
A pit boss friend of mine in Vegas once told me, "I had confidence in a fart once and shit my pants."
See you around dude. Find some other sucker to buy into your trollish chum, chum.
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
Fair enough! I guess that's one way of saying you don't know what you're talking about...
confidnz 3 years ago
yOU CAN HELP ME OUT A LITTE THOUGH.
Answer this one for me.
What is it about all you homosexual canadians that causes you to rant on and one and complain and whine and bitch forEVER?
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
Hey! It wasn't ME that was bitching and moaning about MM... that would be you! And for you to label me as a 'homosexual canadian' without even knowing me really speaks volumes of your level of intelligence...or lack thereof. Why is it that even when you're presented with a viable question that you can't answer, your next step is to attempt to label and insult? It seems that you mistake your ignorance for actual knowledge.
confidnz 3 years ago
You should be proud to be Canadian.
You should be PROUD to be gay.
Dude. The evidence re: MM is there for all to see.
All except maybe you.
It is like explaining a joke, you can't do it. It loses something in the explanation.
Honestly, now, do you really think MM is an upstanding , honest, caring, citizen?
What has he ever done that could be considered positive and productive?
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
STILL can't answer the question, I see.... and then try to counter with a question of your own. In case you forgot, the question I asked was "Can you actually name something that MM has lied about?" If you can do that, I'll answer your question...
confidnz 3 years ago
As we go through the long list of lies and tricks in Fahrenheit 9/11, keep in mind that Michael Moore has assembled a "war room" of political operatives and ...
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
I'm waiting...
confidnz 3 years ago
exposing Michael Moore as a fictitous filmmaker whose career is staged scenes, twisted statistics, faked editing, ...
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
Space prevents us from listing more of the many gross lies,. half-truths, and distortions in this film. MICHAEL MOORE HATES THE MILITARY ...
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
I also left you the option to name just ONE lie from MM whether it be from his films or otherwise so, basically, you are ALSO being offered simplicity.
confidnz 3 years ago
Fifty-nine Deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
Sep 14, 2004 ... I will show that every claim Michael Moore makes in this part of his film is a lie, either outright or by implication. ..
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
ALL RIGHT!!! This should be good!
confidnz 3 years ago
* Overview - "Fahrenheit 9/11" trivializes the US invasion of Afghanistan.
* Lie #1: The US media did not cover the Taliban's December 1997 meeting with UNOCAL.
* Lie #2: Halliburton got a contract to drill in the Caspian Sea the same day that UNOCAL and the Taliban signed a pipeline contract.
* Lie #3: Gov. George W. Bush arranged the Taliban's December 6, 1997 meeting with UNOCAL because a pipeline would help his friends.
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
About time!
* Overview - "Fahrenheit 9/11" trivializes the US invasion of Afghanistan.
Maybe so, but seeing how the very actions of our government trivialized the Afghanistan invasion by invading Iraq, I don't think MM was acting without precedent from the Bush Administration as the focal point of the movie was our invasion of Iraq.
* Lie #1: The US media did not cover the Taliban's December 1997 meeting with UNOCAL.
I seem to remember him describing the coverage as minimal.
confidnz 3 years ago
Maybe so, you said
I seem to remember him describing the coverage as minimal.
Give up. Come up out of darkness.
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
LOL! You've done nothing to disprove anything that was said nor provided any transcripts, videos, or anything of the sort that could be evidence in your cause. But it is ME that is in the darkness?
confidnz 3 years ago
There are literally reams of data out there refuting MM's claims. His clever way of twisting facts to support a position on anything are well known. If you just copy and paste any one of my last comments here on google you will see they all lead you to information that you will not consider.
"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."
Believe what you want to believe, of course, but you are living in darkness.
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
Yawn! If you call THAT refuting claims, then I just won the Indy 500. You have provided NOTHING that even has a remote possibility of making me think otherwise as it is the typical yang that most of MM's haters spew just out of pure political leaning. What can I say? I gave you chance after chance and you failed miserably. So I guess this means I will go back to living in my "darkness" (LOL) and you will go back to living in whatever. Nice stab, though!
confidnz 3 years ago
I concede.
I am defeated by superior being.
You are a much better educated person than I and you have proven me wrong.
Michael Moore is a pillar of truth.
I was wrong to have ever doubted him.
Thank you for enlightening me here.
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
Don't thank me... I did nothing. And we didn't even get a chance to talk about my personal opinion of MM. I think the man is a biased pest but the truth is that he gets people thinking outside of the box and I truly believe his motives are sincere and if he didn't do it the way he does it, he wouldn't be as loved or as hated. But all the rebuttals against his claims have fallen flat.
confidnz 3 years ago
Domo arigato gozaimasu.
(What is wrong with thinking INSIDE the box?)
What box?
GreatSatan1 3 years ago
Just a figure of speech referencing personal knowledge that is pretty common as opposed to looking at things from a different angle.
confidnz 3 years ago
Impossible to argue with ignorance.
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
Yeah... it is pretty hard to argue with ignorance. Especially when you're dealing with someone who is so quick to label another a "homosexual canadian" because he or she couldn't answer a simple question.
confidnz 3 years ago
Semiotics suggested both. Not always correct.
The Canadian part was sort of a guess. Sorry.
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
Apology accepted! But it has nothing to do with semiotics as much as it has to do with typical 'playbook mentality'... If you're unsure of what you're talking about, commence with the insults and assumptions in a futile attempt to disguise your lack of knowledge... it DOES work from time to time but only if you happen to have a majority on hand.
confidnz 3 years ago
If it were truly important to me to be absolutely sure about what I am talking about, I would remain silent.
True wisdom is when one realizes that he knows nothing, for sure.
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
I hope you plan on living by that quote because , at this point, I'm not sure of what the original debate was about. LOL!
confidnz 3 years ago
In your words, there was never a debate. Just some time wasting on Youtube about a BS video.
Disdain shown by both sides of the subject, Michael Moore.
You seem otherwise intelligent enough, how you can be taken in by MM is puzzling. Although I really don't care what you think.
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
You're right... there was no debate. And the feeling is mutual.
confidnz 3 years ago
In the following article I will go sentence by sentence through the part of Fahrenheit 9/11 that deals with why the US invaded Afghanistan. I will show that every claim Michael Moore makes in this part of his film is a lie, either outright or by implication. I will show that Moore strings falsehoods together to create a fictional picture of why the US went into Afghanistan.
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
I think you're kind of wasting your time. The focal point of 'Fahrenheit 9/11' was why the U.S. invaded Iraq...not Afghanistan. Sure...he dabbled on it for a few minutes and left it pretty much alone... kind of the way the Bush Administration did. But I already expected this kind of drivel as opposed to some cold facts as well as the referencing to only one of MM's films. Even the attempted rebuttal of 'Fahrenheit 9/11', 'FahrenHYPE 9/11' did nothing to defuse any of Moore's charges.
confidnz 3 years ago
I actually enjoy your sense of humor, condifnz.
Smugly declaring victory in a dabate, that by your own admission, NEVER TOOK PLACE. LOL
TAMARLANE 3 years ago
Never smugly declared anything... just pointed out a simple fact that is backed up by your own posts. If I knew of any medical procedures that would help cure you of your 'Sarah Palin' syndrome that keeps you from answering questions, I would definitely impart it to you.
confidnz 3 years ago
And you're right.. I wasn't debating you... I asked a simple question to which I got no answer for.
confidnz 3 years ago
The sacred trust between our guardians and our leaders continues to be violated. I'm a veteran, thankfully I don't need the services of the VA, but this government owes our uniformed service personnel what ever they require to be made whole. These are our brothers and sisters, they deserve our respect and gratitude.
Bilibonz 3 years ago 2
Bush & Co. are war criminals and should be charged and tried effective January 21, 2009.
gungagin 3 years ago
I agree that the soldiers need help. Thanks for the upload, Mike!
crimsong19 3 years ago 2
This seems to be another sort of war crime-against our troops-truly pathetic.
upconstruct 3 years ago 2
Vietnam vets are still suffering.... I wouldn't hold my breath..
HabsRule92Remy92 3 years ago 2
Wonder where the money will come from? Well, let some of the fat rat politicians forfeit their raises this year, that would fund part of it. Stop funding foreign countries and put that money into a fund for our military. Investigate the welfare system and get those who are abusing it off, stop giving all illegal immigrants full benefits because of their immigration status. These things alone would free up quite alot of money, why not give it a try?It's a start!
imdamama1 3 years ago 2
OUTRAGEOUS! They have to prove that his injuries came from the war? He was in an explosion. The VA diagnosed it yet will NOT continue to pay for his meds he has to have just to function. Why not pass another "BAIL OUT" worth millions or billions to ensure those who fought for our country are taken care of. Even if they did not receive physical injuries, imagine the things they must have seen. Clearly counseling will be needed. I'm ruinning out of space so please see next response.
imdamama1 3 years ago
Shouldn't all these soldiers be in jail? I'm all for being soft on crime, but they did murder rather a lot of people. Then there's the armed robbery, kidnapping, assault, arson, vandalism, etc.
I don't think a few years in jail is too much to ask.
CarlKenner 3 years ago
Most of the soldiers there don't want to be there and they are fighting to stay alive. I don't agree with the war, but what you just said in outrageous. That is there job to kill or be killed and a lot of them don't like it. Most os them there went into the mili to go to school, but all they got was a war so they are fighting to get out. Lets put you in jail if you were in their shoes.lets put big corps and incs in jail for what they do to American fams or the gov for the mili.
marcialj83 3 years ago
some do need to jail for war crimes, but don't you think going to war is hell enough for any and everyone no matter what side they're on. I think you should rethink your comment.
marcialj83 3 years ago
Don't you have wealth to distribute?
maxwinz 3 years ago
Good job Michael
Frasierfan42 3 years ago
'the three trillion dollar war'
joseph e. stiglitz and linda j. bilmes.
anarchyclayman 3 years ago
outrageous
WhoRonPaul 3 years ago
There is not many others. It is EVERY other wounded soldier. They are all getting screwed. The government would rather see you die in combat than just getting injured. It's cheaper for them to pay for a funeral than it is to pay for lifetime medical care. They should really consider those things before starting false wars based on a bed of lies.
oppesdaman 3 years ago
"George's War," eh? I like it. Aptly named.
HHRB0664 3 years ago
As a Canadian, it is so heart-warming to see comments like these. What's happening to this man is utterly wrong and unjustifiable after what he did for your country. America has been a great country and it can be great again if caring and informed people like you take it back. Good luck in these tough times!
alexfirstaid 3 years ago 3
It's an absolute fucking disgrace that a man who did all that he did for his country should be treated like this.
wonderfulkeithfloyd 3 years ago
Damn.... It's appalling, like watching "Sicko" over again... I guess you really have to be an "Evil-doer" to be cared for in US of A......
bwzes03 3 years ago
Where are all of the warhawks that were screaming about "supporing our troops" and "Being Patriotic?" They don't have SQUAT (and I wanted to say another s-word) to say on these issues.
garybooker 3 years ago
US goverment is so fucked up.Lets hope Obama can do somthing
quiglo100 3 years ago 2
Obama is an empty suit. Enjoy your next 4 years. They may be your last.
maxwinz 3 years ago
I find it fascinating that Rupert Murdoch media is focusing on Israel as if we Americans are not at war. They are using Israel as a distraction.
Of course it deserves media time but what about our troops?
The local stations you are featuring are doing a fantastic job.
Thank you Michael for featuring these "real" news stations.
OneoftheImmortals 3 years ago 2
Send a message - We're NOT going to take it:
democrats . com/special-prosecutor-for-bush-war-crimes
Prayers for Jeffrey, Keep your chin up brave warrior, and for his families and all others affected by Bush/Cheney/MICC monstrous war crimes.
madebutante 3 years ago
It is so typical of large institutions/companies regulating disability claims etc to deny responsibility - they would lose money. A good friend of mine became an advocate for individuals because of this. He was telling me about a client of his being denied even though the x-ray showed the actual metal plate in his head as a result of an accident. These institutions rely on the fact that the infirmed are just that - infirmed and are too weak, fragile to fight for their rights. Shame on them.
JCVdude 3 years ago
Tru JVC, large corps are often large political contributors. Blago is a sympton of how crazy money in politics is:
please sign with 10,000 others!
democrats . com/special-prosecutor-for-bush-war-crimes
madebutante 3 years ago
A message to all gay and lesbian folks. Please feel free to consider Crawford, Texas a new town that accepts all lifestyles. It is very quaint and the weather is wonderful. I understand the Bush family will welcome you with open arms(not). Also, I think they should build a Vet hospital there as well. That way, Bush can witness all the grief he has brought.
saxmanchiro 3 years ago 3
Isn't he moving to Dallas?
madebutante 3 years ago
Veterans dare to call it TREASON. Even older vets have been illegally denied due process, had their benefits stolen by intentional VA malpractice, been personally betrayed by John McCain, by lying doctors, by politically correct anti-medical marijuana prejudices. We have shoes and more in store for the bastards.
Biscuitcase 3 years ago
They signed up for it, they got payed, they should shut up. Damn liberals.
WKaliber1 3 years ago
Bush & Cheney have never really cared about the Veterans.
SCREW 'EM.
FROM A VET!
DillonX 3 years ago 3
What a shame! Meanwhile others get "bailed out"!!! This is just not right!
sweetmami619 3 years ago 2
GREAT COMMENT! Bravo sweetmami619!
ibnewc 3 years ago
one word one drug marijuana!
gwengoadalso 3 years ago
Time to eliminate the Pentagon. Close our military bases and stop wasting our money on a military which only causes us problems.
Richardgwm 3 years ago
Nice work Bush and Cheney. I wish I had a million shoes and fists for you.
johnny718bravo 3 years ago
For Shame, America.
For Shame.
MetalGearKelan 3 years ago
Bush should hang for this war... I hate him so much!
cmcanuck 3 years ago 4
Sorry Vets but you don't qualify for a bail out because you are not lucrative to to future world government.
blacktigerwu 3 years ago 2
"blacktigerwu
Sorry Vets but you don't qualify for a bail out because you are not lucrative to to future world government."
How dare you how dare you imply anything about the bail out only Shrubs Base supporters are qualified for a bailout us peons who do the actual work don't we are not worthy enough to get free government money in he form of CEO bonuses to support their mansions with! The AP asked all the banks who got the money 4 ?'s about it not one bank replied back!
sce56 3 years ago
That was basically saying that the government does not care about the vets.
blacktigerwu 3 years ago 3
this is bad. i dont know what to say about this. im amazed that this world is such an bad place where they dont care about people anymore
blauwepiet 3 years ago 5
I heard George W. had a brain transplant with a cockroach. It's doubled Bushs' intelligence but the cockroach has now declared war on Gaza.
Prunesqualer 3 years ago 7
This is a fucking disgrace!!
EddyBergman 3 years ago 2
392,000 appeals!!!!!
What the hell? Talk about a broken system. I heard on the news two days ago on CNN that they were building an Animal hospital for the dogs of combat for $15 million. My reaction was intense and immediate. WTF is going on? So men in their 20s have strokes as a rule?? Give me a break. Was this guy on serious meds before his duty? Man! So long Bush. Go hide in Texas and hide in your friggin fairytale bible.
saxmanchiro 3 years ago 6
hell, im from texas, dont send his fucking ass back here......he screwed up texas as governor, and then screwed up the US
crowdaddy13 3 years ago 7
crow
Thank goodness he will not be in a position of power. Crawford can have their guy back.
saxmanchiro 3 years ago
a stroke at his age? god, how horrible!
ratonnewmex 3 years ago 2
Prehaps if some of the $30,000,000,000 that AIPAC are asking the US for over the next ten years, to fund Israels' ethnic cleansing (check their web site), was spent on helping these guys, that might help a little.
Prunesqualer 3 years ago 3
this is definitely the LAND OF WHITE MURDEROUS TRASH...thanx for the memories Bush & Co.
ratonnewmex 3 years ago 2
my best friend returned from Iraq having been shot 3 times. They shot him up with so much morphine in the hospital, he became addicted. He came home and ended up being a druggie and was busted for possession of a controlled substance, so the VA dropped all of his benefits because he got a criminal record.
It's bullshit, I've known the guy since we were 6, and he's always been a straight, clean guy. Now he's a multiple felon, on probation that cant find a job. It's fucking pathetic
crowdaddy13 3 years ago 5
oh my gosh..how SAD. that is so painful to see your friends self destruct. i asked a neighbor yesterday why the fuck this sick FUCKING NASTY COUNTRY doesn't take care of its' chilren and elderly? and he said "WHY SHOULD WE?!" FUCK U AMERICA!
ratonnewmex 3 years ago 5
whats worse is my little brother is in Iraq as we speak, i just hope he comes back in one peice
crowdaddy13 3 years ago 3
I hope he does come back in one piece. I also hope he escapes to Canada cos its not worth getting killed or maimed for Bush's BullShit.
Prunesqualer 3 years ago 3
War, Greed, Tragedy... to think we've been on Earth over 3 million years, y'think we would've made some real progress by now.
ShockGuey5173 3 years ago 6
Can't help being human, I guess.
TheWindClaw 3 years ago
Nehhh,... it's only been 6,000 years don'cha know ? We rode around on Dino's.... Haven't you heard? Sarah (a)Pal(l)in says(beleives) so!....
bwzes03 3 years ago
drugs are not the answer. That's why he looks all zoned out and dry. He needs some good, clean, mental help from a team of doctors and shrinks...or he's gunna be a suicide case.
toomasio 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
What do you expect when you sign up to kill people/ Even if you are a medic! You are supporting killing others sorry no pity!
gwengoadalso 3 years ago
im a liberal, but my brother is in Iraq. He didnt sign up to kill anybody....just like the other 99% of enlistees, he joined for benefits, college tuition and job security. And your telling me you have no pity for 18 year olds that get shot up......you're a dick.
And the thing is, I know your response will be, they knew that they could go to war when they signed up......well with that being true, thats a valid arguement, but when the economy sucks you have to do whatever to pay the bills
crowdaddy13 3 years ago 4
Hey crowdaddy I am going to college on a Pell Grant that every American has! and it covers everything! tuition and books and I have NO INCOME AND THE GOVERNMENT IS GIVING ME A STAFFORD LOAN... SO YOUR IGNORANT TO THE FACT THAT YOU CAN GO TO SCHOOL WITHOUT KILLING ANYONE! I might be a dick but I still wish peace to you and yours... I reject your hate and give you love peace brother!
gwengoadalso 3 years ago
he didnt want loans, sorry......he didnt qualify for FAFSA either, they said our parents made too much money
crowdaddy13 3 years ago
and if the economy was good enough for my brother to get a job, and if college didnt cost $60k, he would either be sitting in a classroom right now or working in an office....so fuck your theory that everyone just flocks to the recruiting office so they can shoot guns and blow shit up....my brother is a fucking aircraft mechanic, but that doesnt mean he's immune to roadside bombs, mortars and snipers. Most people that get killed over there are in support roles, trying to learn a trade.
crowdaddy13 3 years ago
That little bitch George Bush needs to pay for what he has done.. Who gives a shit if he is president right now! He needs to pay for lieying and sending innocent Men and Women to fight a rich mans war! Id love to beat the living shit out of that old FUCK!
tupacthug4life 3 years ago 11
Nice Eight Years this have been hasn't it?
Blastroids 3 years ago
George the Zionist will pay for over eight years of bullshit he has put people through!!
bigolebadassbob 3 years ago 3
why does this world always seem so fucked up???
Permafry42 3 years ago 6
Wow, thats pretty jacked up
cooperaerosmith 3 years ago 6