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  • Usually nowadays u see zerg 7 or 8 pool. I once went toe to toe with one for a good 30 mins because i let him transition mutaling, disn't matter though by then i had blink and storm on 3 base :D

  • That's not the best way to wall off. Toss should scout at 9/10 after throwing down pylon. If there is a early pool quickly put down forge and gate and pylon right at the ramp. Cannon when the forge is done and destory the pylon at the ramp after you fended the rush off.

  • @sirlanlet but then you cant counter aswell as you only have static defence

  • This was really helpful

  • Hahaha Force F A I L E D!

  • @SilenceStabber OHHHHH damn. good one.

  • Your tips are so useful. Thanks so much.

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  • just block and get a cannon.....

  • well what about a terran >.>

  • @UbuntuShadow easyest race to counter it ! wall off , get a marine > ??? > Profit GG

  • wow no gg from the zerg guy.....

  • @futballer44 the zerg guy is force lol.

  • @ForceSC2strategy what lige play you?

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  • I found DTs after being six pooled on larger maps totally crushes the opponent cuz he wont be able to tech at all and get detection

  • @GUARDIANOFFOR No it isn't, the pool comes out about 5 seconds later than a 6 pool would

  • best strategy: Try NOT to die...

  • better to go forge,gateway walloff and cannon

  • xd that's amazing, the strategy against 6 pool is so easy, one word : SCOUT

    Ahaha who need a vid ? ^^

  • @JaNaaasty It's sad cause it's so true :(

  • Force WAS the zerg player.. FAILURE

  • @ch0s3nlife

    how is it fail ? this videos purpose is to demonstrate how to deff against it, and thats what it does

  • @olentattimies because it was the announcer that did the six pool... He did a bad job at the rush... The list goes on.

  • @wwjd3d

    You said that its fail that the caster did the 6pool, nothing about how it was done.

  • @ch0s3nlife This was only a demonstration. He could kick ur ass.

  • Could someone help me out? Whenever I 6-pool, my opponent simply brings all of his SCV's/Probes/Drones to attack my six zerglings. His worker units are suficient to kill all of my zerglings, so what do I do? Back-up zerglings help a ton but don't come in time. When I 6-pool rush, where should I make my zerglings attack first? The enemy's SCV's or the enemy's buildings?

  • @qwas12348gr5

    Stop trying to 6 pool every game like a little bitch and learn how to play the right way? The only time a 6 pool works is when your opponent doesn't scout early. As long as they scout it early, no matter what race they are they'll be able to defend it every time. And as soon as they defend it, it's game over for you.

  • @xPonked

    Dude. Calm down. I'm asking a simple question, politely nonetheless, and all of a sudden you act like I murdered somebody. Calm. The. Fuck. Down.

    Second off, you don't understand my question. Scouting is irrelevant in the topic at hand. I'm saying that no matter what, their workers are able to defend 6 zerglings. And I'm asking what I should focus on with those 6 zerglings. Should I attack the workers first or the buildings, for example.

    Don't bother answering. I'm less naive now.

  • @qwas12348gr5 Making sure he doesn't complete his wall is priority #1. If he pulls all of his SCV's to fend off your early rush you've already come a long way since that will hurt him financially. Lings die easily so they're life expectancy isn't very long, however, in the early game they must NOT be suicided. Be smart and lure single workers, run away if you get attacked.

    It's called harassment. You should look it up.

  • @RedSaint83 Omg.. Their life expectancy, not they're.. I'm turning into one of "them"..

  • @RedSaint83

    Yeah, I know what harassment is. And I'm also a lot better then I was when I asked the question, but thanks anyway :D

  • Keep boning guys!

  • @JaNaaasty like 3 times

  • @KyleTheWarlock i played also against diamond players that rush with 6 pool -.-

  • Just wall off your base with cannons!! Forge straight away

  • Force sound so nervous in this vid, really aquired some confidense over the last year! Keep it up force!!!!!

  • This is great to know as 85% of all silver/bronze zerg will 6 pool >_>

  • @KyleTheWarlock And 99% of Gold will too

  • @KyleTheWarlock more like 99% :)

  • @KyleTheWarlock true somtimes they muta 90%time i play THEY KEEP GOING MUTA FUK

  • @KyleTheWarlock I never encountered a zerg 6pooling me in the silver league..

  • @KyleTheWarlock or 10 pool..

  • @KyleTheWarlock I 6 pool sometimes, but only because I want to get the fuck out of Bronze league already.

  • I think if the guy built his gateways closer to his minerals, in a very tight fashion he could've used his probes with 1 zealot to kill the attack as well...and not lose any buildings.

  • see im a mediocre protoss player but im ok i hated playing zerg all i ever got was a six poolb or if i was jus lucky enough roach rush -_- i proved a point played as zerg all yesterday won every game using six people besides 2 times i was playing against diamond player but ive tooken out platinum and below in a matter of minutes once you get your macro down and speed you cant be stopped lost 2 games out of every 20 i played zerg needs a nerf so theyre not so strong at the start but strong in mid

  • @WickedXombieKing its messed up but thats zergs only real adavantage is early game wins ive played a mid game battle against tarren and its pretty hard to win mid game with zerg

  • @WickedXombieKing Zerg is really strong vs terran if you've managed to macro up, expanding is of course risky but if you need to have 1-2 more bases then your terran or protoss opponent towards the mid/late game. Fungal growth is great vs the bio, not only to win battles but to win time. I don't know what league you're in but some muta harrass should work pretty fine during mid game, doing some economical damage and distracting him/buying you some time to get upp your army and end up ahead.

  • the zerg player was him,force

  • thnx soooo much i really needed this help because so many ppl 6 pool in my league

  • How do i stop it when they DONT STOP RUSHING because when they keep rushing i can't do anything, They just keep getting like 70 lings in 2 min... And i get zealots and stalkers...

  • @MMODawg Get sentries and use force fields

  • @MMODawg how many mins r u into the game?

    when that happens?

  • I think if you scouted that early and see the 6 pool you could of just got the forge before the second gateway, make 1 cannon, zerg can't do anything. Of course if you are in bronze just meta game and do a forge fast expand. Haha

  • gotta macro a bit better

  • the zerg player is force = ="

  • WEAK

  • worst 6pool ive ever seen, even counter isnt that good....

    if he just went all-in with his zerglings on that 2 zealots, he ill lose alot zerglings yea, but he ill come in with +10 of them

  • At around 3:19, In the video is when most 6poolers I've been against just straight up kill my zealtots instead of hitting the wall.

  • agree with @Maniacbearman9 .... pylon in the middle, forge first, then warpgate... then turtle the fuck up and amass void rays.

  • The 6 pool is a zerg strategy, along with many other. Quit whining and learn how to counter it.

  • I lost to a six pool. its the gayest thing ever. only kids do it because they know they will lose in a real game.

  • @Maniacbearman9 be a man und go scouting

  • @Maniacbearman9 u mad cuz u bad?

  • @murdockpt no. im mad cuz i always do either 3v3 or 2v2. and i usually always go against at lesit 2 zerg and get 6 pooled. It would be different if it only happened every now and then but everyone who pplays can zerg can only 6 pool. its not even fun to play these ppl because they are also rude and think they are the best because they can 6 or 10 pool.

  • @Maniacbearman9 no. umad because you cant counter it because ubad.

  • @murdockpt no. u mad cause you 6pool. fag

  • @Maniacbearman9 whenever i play a zerg i get forge and cannon wall off right away cause they always 6 pool thats all they do

  • @Maniacbearman9 6 pool's are so damn easy to counter. LTP nub

  • In russian bronze we have no 6 pooling zergs. We have not anyone except terrans.

  • bronze league LOL

    

  • All Zergs in Bronze league do this shit, I hate it..

  • How can you defend against a 6/7 pool in a 2v2 on a wide ramp (as protoss)?

    I ask this because I was playing zerg and my friend was playing protoss in a 2v2 (enemy team were 2 zerg) on a map with a really wide ramp. My friend started to set up a block but I felt powerless to defend him, I could only set up crawlers in my base and send about 6 zerglings to try and defend against the swarm.

    Suffice to say it failed, and me and my friend were only placed into Gold league. Could you help?

  • @slyguntex If you face double zerg or zerg + random or 2x random, I suggest that you scout immidiately as you spawn. If you see a sixpool, place a force instead of a gate (at 12-13) and then put a cannon down. If you cant block by yourself and your mate is a zerg he can just go 6pool or 10pool himself

  • why did the protoss doesnt build a cannon behind the walloff?

  • @nuramon10 Why waste money on static DPS when you can get 1,5 zealot from the cost of a cannon?

  • @Yiep IDK, but i rhink a cannon would do nice work behind a wall off against 6-8 zerglings

  • @nuramon10 But the zerg six-pooled. I would much rather have three zealots out than 2 cannons against a six-pool, then if you fight it off you can move in with the zealots and win seeing as the zerg would have hung himself at that point.

  • Zerg - noob, if he exchange his 8 zergling with 2 zealots, when they going aroung ramp - he WIN! Vs 6-7 pool Gate+forge nedeed!

  • @executorNS The zerg was Force himself.. haha he's not a noob. I don't think Force meant to lose. He was actually probably trying to get a replay for his 6 pool strategy video.

  • could try 2gates with 1choke. putting 1/2 probes there to block, at least till the zealots come out . its more effective rather than allowing zerg to break structures.

  • @kohho24890 except zerglings will kill probes in a matter of seconds >.> then they're in your base, and when you pull drones, they just get ahead of you in economy and then win. When someone forgoes drones, you don't want to be behind them in economy. because then you just die.

  • i just scout and then turret wall

  • lawl your the zerg haha with your buddy temoest

  • tralla helpful

  • you could have gotten  the gateway a bit earlier because you had 50 minerals left.so you could have gotten out that zelot faster =P

  • When zerg 6 pool, they get mad when I 4 gate. What the fuck, 4 gate isn't even cheese lol. 6 pool is bull shit, 4 gate is just a good strategy.

  • @cubeface21 So much cocky talking... FYI I haven't lost a single time against a player that went for 4 gate (at least not yet...) and 6 pool I got to lose to.

    Every strategy has it's own weaknesses and good points there's no need to get so cocky over this game.

    One more thing - the 6 pool has been out there since the days of SC1 - just to illustrate how good this stratery is if people presist doing it...

  • @AlexNOSAM How is that cocky in any way. I'm just saying 4 gate isn't as much bullshit as 6 pooling, because 6 pooling is a complete all in. 4 gating isn't.

  • @cubeface21 All in indeed but matter of fact - it works a lot

    statistically you will win most of the games until gold and platinum with it so it isn't all bs...

  • omg what a pain in the ass.

  • if tempest had made a cannon, would've made life easier.

  • 6 pool is such a bitch to defend against. I really think it needs to be toned down a bit somehow. I'm not saying its impossible, but its way to easy for the zerg player and to hard for the other to defend against.

  • @Proud2BeAPirate It's extemely easy to defend a 6 pool, you should have atleast 1 Zealot by he 3:30 mark to block your ramp and you can then chrono boost your second... Ta Da you win

  • @TheScylent Ye i figured it out ^^

  • @drolebol you have your units attack the forge or whatever you want to open your wall so you can expand.

  • what about cannons is it helpful in this case?

  • lol what map is that again? ?

  • @makantang steppes of war

  • I don't think this is the way to do it. Every rush can be stopped by building ur base around ur mineral line and pulling workers to assist ur army whenever needed.

  • Is a spine crawler the same as a sunken colony?

  • Is a Spine Crawler the same as a Sunken Colony?

  • I can already tell you this 6 pool wasn't done correctly. Wtf is he doing with that drone scout?

  • @oopalonga I would guess trying to prevent a block off so your zerglings can get in

  • nice tutorial thx

  • 9/10 zerg i play 6 pool..ez win..wall off..then counter..SUPER ez to do with terran

  • I played with tempest before on phantom mode

  • as a zerg player i hate 6 pool its cheap and weak cuz it screws both sides so much, the zerg player gets a low eco and makes it very hard to transition and for the opp haveing to b backed into a corner but 60% it the opp is terran or toss u lost

  • I hate people who 6 pool so much...

    When you 6 pool it's like say "Hey, I spend 59.99 on a game so that instead of playing fairly and having a fun I would rather start it off by showing you what kind of person I am, one who plays this game just be an ENORMOUS ASSHOLE."

  • you could build a forge before the first gateway

  • Sorry Force, but this is not how to counter 6 pool. You want a forge up as fast as possible or you'll lose.

  • Why refer to the player who beat you as we?

  • And what about "Scrap Station"? - would really like to see an example of it.

  • so is 6 pool rush a cheese build?

  • @naooki yes for sure

  • Your voice is funny.

    I'm still in the bronze league, so I've seen 7 minute six pools. I love zerg players who wait until the mid-game and six pool then. At least no one expects it then, as nobody expects the six-pool inquisition

  • @Contrajoe really? by 8 min if i see your a zerg i choke point anyway :P im also bronze

  • @Contrajoe isnt a 6 pool when u build a spawning pool at 6 supply how is it possible to have 6 supply at 7 minutes?

  • @nella5121 You start the game with 6 supply...

  • @Krimghor yes but why would anybody with half a brain cell not build ANYTHING for 7 minutes? it's not a 6pool after 7 minutes, and if it is and your opponent still tries it, you win

  • @nella5121 Well, I'm silver in season 2 and don't see 'em now, but one time, a friend told me of a guy he fought with who didn't do anything but gather resources until about 7 minutes in.

  • @Contrajoe at 7 minutes that isnt a 6 pool, thats a push

  • @Runewar123456 I should mention that I am in silver now.

  • Very nice.XD

  • Thanks a lot. I was getting quite frustrated. ^_^

  • how do you stop a drone rush o.o

  • @ResistenceX3 Have a brain.

  • very nice best strat ive seen for this

  • best zerg defending tutorial i have come across ty!

  • never thought of scouting this early now i know :)

  • Of course the zerg player then continues and leaves the game without a GG. I just lost to this. So frusterating because I feel there is no skill. Zerg should have to build an overlord before pool, since toss have to build a pylon and terran have to build a supply depot before anything else. Then all openings would be cheese free.

  • @RedNBlueAllOver7606 i could agree, but blizzard did say that they would leave it becuase it is viable, it isn't overpowered becusase as you see, it can be countered, unlike a zealot rush that doesn't requir a pylon, that would just kill.

  • @IceHarmony Except you need a pylon to power the gateway, just though i'd drop that in there.

  • @MrEpic100 i do know that ^^ i was suggesting that if gateways didn't need a pylon, i won't even want to see the consiquences XD

  • @RedNBlueAllOver7606 it's not like the 6 pool is hard to stop. The difference betwee nthe three is the fact that zerg can't really wall off. They can, but it makes them extremely weak.

  • unfortunately the build time is an extra 5 seconds since when this vid was made, which can make or break a game.

  • 6 pool is like winning a game without ANY skill. I hate it so much. thx for that vid. I hope I can do this.

  • Nice vid dude, thx

  • Was sick of getting owned by this rush, thanks.

  • he shoulda went double gas before cyber.

  • I like this strategy better than the zealot block -

  • This always happen to me I hate it. :(

  • I'd say that this is not the greatest counter, because the Protoss player does loose a lot of minerals. I usually just put down a forge and pylon both at 10, then put down 2 cannons when i get 300 and it works fine for me.

  • 0:01 skip

  • zerg shouldve made more crawlers.

  • and this is how Zerg stops protoss rush and destroys it, check it out! :D

    watch?v=K0LNofqp8EM&feature=pl­ayer_embedded

  • hehe I use a 7 pool strategy where I make the 7th drone then make it mine till i get pool down then I send the drone to build block toss or terran until my lings pop out so walling off isn't that good of a strat against pro 6poolers..

  • @lynkkx lol pro? hahah two scv's or probes can kill 1 drone easily...

  • @faruh123 Actionjesus owned lucifron and ntt with this strategy

  • thx force

  • were you the zerg?

  • @brandonpringle16 yh i was xD

  • @brandonpringle16 yes he was lol i noticed that

  • what if your opponent sees that you completely walled off with no choke point and just goes back and macros up and go expand becuz you can't go out and expand right ?

  • @drolebol to execute a (good) 6-pool, he will be really behind in drone count, and will have a significantly delayed queen and gas. You should be able to throw down a Cybernetics core and just 4-gate him

  • @drolebol Then u destroy your pylon and expand aswell...

  • @drolebol you just cancel the gateway mid way if you see that they leave.

  • @drolebol destroy the pylon blocking your ramp or destroy one of the buildings that is in the way if you have to push out. otherwise, wait and macro up since a zerg is always goin to expand before you as a protoss. you can survive much longer on one base than the zerg can

  • @drolebol destroy that wall and go in?

  • @drolebol i think that was just poor pylon placement by tempest if he place it, say, more centered than itwou'dve been fine. 2 gateways and a small choke in between

  • @drolebol

    attack your proper building and go out ..

  • @drolebol dude you maek a sizeable army to defend those lings and you expand... important thing is you make lots of men lots and stalkers sentries 2 and dont forget the upgrades

  • @drolebol you can cancel whatever you have and expand

  • @drolebol i would say always leave a weak point such as a pylon and theyll probly just go for that. even if they dont your not sacrificing much by killing 1 pylon

  • @drolebol who would do tht? tht is pretty rare to do against zerg

  • @drolebol

    Tech Up like crazy to mass air. Good vs Zerg, especially when they are spending their minerals on an exp.

  • @drolebol Protoss can make a decent army out of one base. eg tech to air or you could make an army in you base and have some obs scouting them while you prevent any scout on your base. He's in the dark and you know everything. When either you have an army or when you see he is getting a quick third, break down 1 of your gateways/ your pylon and attack.

    Also: you only completely wall of against 6pool. When they go for 6pool and try to make expansions out of that, they are way behind in eco.

  • @drolebol if zerg goes 6 pool. . .he has no resources to macro up. As protoss you're resources will be so much better. . .IF you can stop the rush. . .muhahahahah!

  • @drolebol you can just kill pylon to leave your base. Besides, they will have to spend a lot of time just making enough drones to get money for an expo.

  • @drolebol They still 6pooled, you should be pretty far ahead economically even if they see a wall off and leave.

  • @drolebol then u would destroy the pylon after u make a cyber core make a stalker to fill that place then u would expand twice to get on top of him