Baptism for the dead resulted from an "idiotic" pastor telling the Smiths their son "Alvin who died" went to hell because he hadn't been baptized. Joseph had a brainstorm to ignore the power of God and introduced the power of men.
God and Jesus do not exist, you are all living a false and absurd way of life.
Christianity is a fantasy for the weak, who are in need of salvation and refuge, which ironically is not promised, and not supplied.
I can only hope Christian people can wake up and come out into the light, you are all slowly dying, your "God" is slowly killing you, you will die slowly, reaching out for God's hand and assistance, I am sorry.
Finally someone makes a video to point out incoherencies in Mormonism WITHOUT referencing equally nonsensical claims from the Bible. There is an endless list of problems with mormonism (most of which are shared by christianity as a whole), but the infinite regression problem of "gods creating gods" is one of the problems I've pointed out to LDS people I know.
I was raised mormon, but never (even as a young kid) could bring myself to believe it. I asked too many questions...
Another thing about the Mormon doctrine (Book of Mormon). Why does the name of "Jesus" appear in it at all? During his life, Christ had the name of something close to Yahshuah "Y-H-S-W-H" meaning "YAH saves" (God saves). Jesus, as we pronounce and spell it today, was not in use until many centuries after Yahshuah's death.
That is a good point. By all intents (and for all purposes), even the "other" Hebrew name was inscribed above His cross: YHWH
And, IESU was the Latinized form.
(It could be extrapolated that IESU, in the ancient Latin, became YESU, which also became a capital letter 'i' with a long tail, on it: or, 'j', making it JESU. It is then a small step, to add an extra English 's', at the end).
Interestingly, the nickname of Y'shua was YESHU (with the typical 'sh' sound, of Hebrew).
@orlovna2 According to "The Toldoth Yeshu", Yeshu in hebrew is an acronym for "Yemach Shemow W-Zikhrow" which means: "May his name and memory be erased". This mockery of Christ's Name when trans. into greek became: "Iesou", and the conjugated "Iesous" then to "Iesus" in Latin which has been spelled "Jesus" since the 14th century. It acquired it's present pronunciation in the 16th century. Yahweh was similarly changed to Yehowah (Jehovah) which is also in fact a mockery of His Name.
Some interesting points. I've always found it quite irritating how those who question/criticize/critique the Mormon faith are routinely accused of "not understanding the faith" or "getting your information from faulty sources", etc. All the while never providing coherent answers of their own.
Many profess to "know the mormons". You may not have all of your facts dead on, but you at least didn't present them in negative ways entirely. You seemed to attempt to present our beliefs without too much sarcasm or negativity, and then presented why you don't agree with our religion. I respect that. You did not try to prove our religion is false, like many do, you just explained why you don't agree with this aspect and this aspect of it, etc
If you make a tough questions for morons, wait, I mean mormons I will love you even more, that series would be great and the replies would be a riot. the responses for this video alone are pure comedy. Their books are worse the christians one book.
mormons becoming gods.... check into theosis. This was a common belief in the early Church, and is still being taught in the Eastern Orthodoxy today. Read up on it.
MORMONS HAVING SEX IN HEAVEN,GET PLANETS & BECOME GODS
Joseph F. Smith Jr,Doctrines of Salvation,Vol.2,p.48:
...To become like him we must have all the powers of GODhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one ...There is no end to this development; it will go on forever.We will become GODS and have jurisdiction over worlds,and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring.We will have an endless eternity for this.
LDS MORMON PROPHET Brigham Young said the Africans are the SEED of CAIN!
LDS MORMON PROPHET Brigham Young March 8,1863,stated:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the AFRICAN RACE? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of CAIN, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so" (Journal of Discourses, 10:110).
..the LORD shall CURSE the land..A BLACKNESS came upon all the(BLACK AFRICANS)..of Canaan..(LDS Moses7:8)
umm you said mormons become gods its true but they just dont insantly become gods and they cant make worlds right off the bat. you say mormons arre better than gods thats crap! then thats like saying catholics are better then god because god hasnt came down to earth. i DO baptisms for the dead and its more like a service to our heavenly father. SO DONT MAKE UP CRAP YOU DO NOT KNOW ABOUT MORMONS!
charleypro A MORMON PROPHET Teaching MORMONS ON BECOMING GODS and MAKING there OWN PLANETS & WORLDS
Brethren 225,000 of you are here tonight. I suppose 225, 000 of you may become GODS. There seems to be plenty of space out there in the universe.And the Lord has proved that he knows how to do it. I think he could make, or probably have us help make,worlds for all of us, for every one of us 225,000 (LDS PROPHET Spencer W. Kimball, The Privilege of Holding the Priesthood, Ensign, Nov 1975, 77).
The introduction to the 1981(LDS) The Book of Mormon states,"The Lamanites are the principal ancestors of the American Indians."
LDS MORMON PROPHET Joseph Smith stated the following:
"....The Lamanites, through transgression, became a loathsome, ignorant and filthy people, and were CURSED with a SKIN of DARKNESS yet, they have the promise, if they will believe, and work righteousness...they shall become a WHITE and DELIGHTSOME people..."
:The Latter-Day Saints Millennial Star, vol. 14, p. 418 "
Baptism is an ordinance that has to be done with a physical body and cannot be done with a spirit body. We are not more powerful than God, but He has restored His authority on the earth called the Priesthood through Joseph Smith. When an individual is baptized by a worthy Priesthood holder in my church with the Priesthood it is accepted by God. Also baptism is what opens the gates toward salvation.
Matt. 3: 15 - "...,Suffer it to be so now; for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness." Then in the Book of Mormon the prophet Nephi expounds upon this statement in 2 Nephi Chapter 31. I hope this answers your question and if not respond back.
@azsuperman01 The chance for us to learn selfless service for our spiritual brothers and sisters. Something essential for our development of divine attributes. Hence the saying "we without them cannot be made perfect; neither can they without us be made perfect"
When you believe, as mormons do, that the Resurrection of Christ was a foreshadowing of the blessings in store for us---you realize that our physical bodies AND our spiritual bodies are resurrected as one...the covenant of baptism is a symbolic cleansing of the body...and your spirit is cleansed by fire (Holy ghost) These are symbolic teachings with literal blessings.
From a biblical perspective, Christ was baptized in this world, not in the spirit world.
No offense but you are way off. "Worthy priesthood holder?" You tell me who is worthy. Bible says no man is worthy, and all our righteousness is like a filthy rag to God. Righteousness, is found only in Christ, who is our high priest. There is no one that can hold melchesidek priest title but Jesus Christ. Baptism, is an outward symbol of an inward manifestation. It does not save you! It's a sign that you have been saved, and symbolizes the death and spiritual rebirth in Christ. all things new
UMM SO WHAT YOURE SAYING HERE IS EVERYONE IS GOING TO HELL!!! You do not just become 14 and then youre a melckesidek priesthood elder. the bishop talks to you asks you questions and if yourre worthy by the laying on of hands you become one. RETARD!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess your so brainwashed with mormon theology you can't understand what I said, or you can't think for yourself? You have to resort to name calling? Try picking up a bible and not only reading it but studying it. You are not worthy! and never could be no matter what some man laying hands on you, tells you. Yes, we would be destined to hell, but God sent Jesus, NOT joseph, to redeem us. Only thru Christ can we find salvation. Grace is a GIFT, it cannot be earned!
Furthermore, Jesus who was God incarnate, IS WORTHY, and died for us so that those who believed, would recieve forgiveness of sin, and be in relationship with God & empowered by the Holy Spirit. Salvation, or Grace, is not about OUR worthiness, (who could live up to that) but Christ's worthiness, who was the perfect, sinless, blameless sacrafice offered up IN OUR PLACE. Our sins, & our shame was put upon Jesus, He paid our penalty. God says "My Grace is Sufficient For Thee" (Believe it)
let's talk about 'mormons' because then people will watch my videos!
Actually, we do believe in eternal damnation--which is GOD's punishment since that is HIS name (eternal) Read the D&C...you aren't very knowledgeable about our faith...not surprisingly.
13...I beheld a virgin, and she was exceedingly FAIR and WHITE.18 ...the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh.(BOOK OF MORMON 1 Nephi 11:13-18)
30...and behold they were white, even as Jesus. (Book Of Mormon 3 nephi 19:30)
"...the Lord God did cause a skin of BLACKNESS to come upon them (Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 5:21)."
"And the skins...were DARK...which WAS A CURSE upon them...(Book of Mormon, Alma 3:6)"
D&C 132:37...they did none other things than that which they were commanded,they have entered into their exaltation,according to the promises,and sit upon thrones,and are not angels but are Gods.
D&C 132:20 Then shall they be Gods, because they have no end;...from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue;then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be Gods,because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.
sorry for swearing, and i guess you're not bashing you're just finding the faults in religions instead of finding the good things, i guess finding the faults is more fun right? at least you're not like that fuck face awesomeathiest or whatever his name is.
Bulldog76center - I have never denied that there are (some) good things in religion... there are good things in all fairy tales. However, that doesn't make them any more likely to be true.
I'm concerned with finding the truth, whatever it may be.
In the last few days xxxstraddle, ulissupple,chocabenchaca were suspended for doing no more than just what is here. As "Hypnotstscollector" I had my account suspended for "Copyright Violations" 3 weeks ago. I own and use some 200 original pub. form 1800-1915. Now, how do you think i feel being accused by Morms' of such a thing when their entire religion is based on A STOLEN BOOK!?
i hate mormons just as much as everyone in the world, but they don't harm anyone but themselves, and according to you that goes for all religious people, but i don't see the point in bashing us since we are winning the war and forever will win the war and since you're so fucking brilliant you would know that.dumb ass.
Bulldog76center - Why is it called "bashing" when I explain why I don't accept the Mormon religion (anymore), but when Mormons explain why they're not Catholic, Pentecostal, atheist, etc. it's not "bashing?"
You know its funny, you never see "us" mormons bashing any other religion. we are always the persecuted ones and we believe in what we believe. you dont have to believe in it. if you only knew...
zacideamus - Is disagreeing the same as "bullying" now?
Mormons consider anyone who discusses the problems in their religion an "anti-Mormon," and they accuse them of "Mormon bashing." However, Mormons are just as quick to discuss the problems they see in other religions... which means they "bash" just as much as everyone else.
wrong. Additionally in all my surfing on youtube i have never seen videos made by mormons approach anywhere near the irrational hostility of their detractors. to say otherwise is truly silly.
in reply to the "devine pyramid scheme" (because, yes, i am mormon). I do believe that our god was man, and that man (not just mormons, but all righteous people) will in turn be gods. where does it start/end? where's it's purpose? idk, but this is where faith comes in. i also agree with imtherealthing. god could baptise people, but he'd rather have his children (us) learn by faith and have us do it. this whole life on earth is about faith. thank you, have a nice life.
I saw a Chick Tract the other day about Mormons. I used to think "Yeah, that's right." After my full enlightenment sometime during the summer of 2007, I think, "The pot calling the Kettle Black", Many of my friends in high school knew the truth and just let me be me. I kind of wish they would have culed me a little bit, maybe more of the last 40 years could have been free thinking. Maybe not. I'm here now though. Thanks for the Video.
Let me say it another way regarding Baptism for the dead...God can do anything...he does not need us to do anything for HIm...but he asks us...we do it because we want to obey HIm and because we also do this out of LOVE for HIM and our brothers and sisters who have died..this gives us a chance to serve those who have passed on without this ordiance they did not recieve - it is hard to explain stuff of God and the reasons we do them to un- believers..told not "to cast our pearls before swine"
Your information is based on anti-mormon literature - not accurate.
What do you have to offer as way of living? - it is easy enough to rip apart other's beliefs - but what do you have to offer to humankind?right...NOTHING...actually you already belong to a religion - it is called Atheism and we see how well that works in countries where they adhere to this - if you want - move to one of those countries - you should be so lucky to live in a country that was built on Judeo/Christian teachings.
imtherealthing - My information is based on Mormon theology, not "anti-Mormon literature." It's all accurate, it's just not worded the way you are used to hearing it.
BTW - Statistically speaking, countries with lower religiosity are happier and have lower crime rates than highly religious countries (like the US). I happen to like the US, I want to make it a better place, not just ignore the problems and run away.
azsuperman01 quote:" My information is based on Mormon theology, not "anti-Mormon literature."
My Reply: WRONG - please CITE those works that are from my theology to support what you say above. The stuff you mention above is re-gurgitated anti-mormon literature which is old by the way (i.e Godmakers, mormon Illusion, etc) and if you claim "it's all accurate" - please cite the LDS books - plain and simple - this will show everyone exactly if you know what you are talking about.
imtherealthing - I don't know which parts of the video you disagree with. How about you tell me what I have wrong, and I'll discuss those specific topics.
Or, I can just guess which topics you want to distance yourself from.
intherealthing - Do you disagree that Mormons can become Gods?
(Read D&C 132: 19-22)
Do you disagree that Mormons think God used to be a man?
(Read the quote from Brigham Young in the Journal of Discourses, pg 333. "He [God] is our Father--the Father of our spirits, and was once a man in mortal flesh as we are... a finite being;")
wow..look everyone...another arm-chair academic...you know the ones...those who Google for information rather than study out of textbooks..lol
Let's see how we went from discussing America being built on Judeo/Christian teachings to the questions you pose ...hmmm..yep...not much of an academic are you?
Talk about "distanc[ing] yourself from ...the topic". ..lol
imtherealthing - LOL! I wasn't responding to your claim about the US, I was responding to you asking me to cite my sources.
You claimed my video was not based on actual Mormon theology, I was proving otherwise. My video has nothing to do with whether or not the US was based on Judeo/Christian/Muslim beliefs.
Ah..perhaps you should quote what you are refering to.
The so-called questions you pose in the video is partially true and twisted as presented in your video and by most anti-mormons who have a knack for this.
Do you know what "yellow journalist techniques refer to? - it is the way one presents information - you know - music sounding sinister , the use of demeaning captions, Ad Homenims, etc
Well you do that quite well in presenting some of our truths by doing all that.
imtherealthing - Alright, I'll quote you... You said: "please CITE those works that are from my theology"
So I did.
"The so-called questions you pose in the video is partially true and twisted as presented in your video and by most anti-mormons who have a knack for this."
So, I told the truth, but I didn't use the flattering language they use in church.
imtherealthing - "music sounding sinister , the use of demeaning captions, Ad Homenims, etc... you do that quite well in presenting some of our truths by doing all that. "
I don't think the music was sinister, I didn't use any demeaning captions, and I didn't resort to any ad homenim
imtherealthing - I'm asking you to defend your statement. You said my video is not based on Mormon theology, I'm asking you to show me which part. I only covered two basic topics, and I provided documentation for the claims I made.
If you disagree, please explain what I got wrong and how.
imtherealthing - I doubt that you disagree with me about baptisms for the dead, that's a pretty well known Mormon belief.
You probably disagree with my conclusion that Baptism for the Dead makes you more powerful than God -- but if dunking someone underwater while saying the name of a dead person does something which God is incapable of doing in Heaven, then you ARE more powerful than God.
azsuperman01 's quote:"You probably disagree with my conclusion that Baptism for the Dead makes you more powerful than God -- but if dunking someone underwater while saying the name of a dead person does something which God is incapable of doing in Heaven, then you ARE more powerful than God. "
My reply: yes I disagree...and your conclusion only comes by your lack of understanding the doctrine...God does not need us to do this...he asks us to do this.
Seriously how can you say that? Tell you what - go say that to Professors of Religious Studies, Sociology, Archeology, History, and any other social science - what a moron you just proved yourself to be - seriously.
I am working on a MA now (Masters of Arts) and I can say you are a certified moron.
The founding fathers came to America in search of separation from the church. Most of them were either agnostic or atheist. Just because modern American christianity borrows many ideas from the American constitution doesn't prove the inverse.
What I'm saying is, Chrisitanity is a fundamentally bigoted and discriminatory religion. It has been molded into a different set of beliefs in order to be marketable to modern day Americans.
To add to my previous comments about racism. Many people draw the conclusion that the LDS church are racist because most blacks did not have the priesthood before 1978(?)But the way it worked was only 2 of the 13 tribes in Old Testament were allowed priesthood. Logic is there but require many posts to explain. Any worthy male no matter what race of those 2 tribes had PRSTHD, yes some were black, those of us of other tribes, me included, would not.
ldsvalley The Mormon God curses the Lamanites which the Mormons believe are the American INDIANS with BLACK SKIN for rebelling against him."...wherefore,as they were white and exceedingly fair and delightsome,that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a Skin of Blackness to come upon them(2Nephi 5:21)."The Mormon God turns the Indians Back White if they OBEY him"And their curse was taken from them,and their skin became white like unto the Nephites"(3Nephi2:15).
ldsvalley the lds church is racist! LDS prophet Joseph Fielding Smith on blacks-
Not only was Cain called upon to suffer [for killing Abel], but because of his wickedness HE BECAME THE FATHER OF AN INFERIOR RACE. . . . MILLIONS OF SOULS HAVE COME INTO THIS WORLD CURSED WITH A BLACK SKIN and have been denied the privilege of Priesthood and the fullness of the blessing of the Gospel. These are the descendants of Cain." (The Way to Perfection, by
,,MORMON DOCTRINE read LDS Apostles MARK E. PETERSON "Who placed the Negroes originally in darkest Africa? Was it some man, or was it God? And when He placed them there, He segregated them... At least in the cases of the Lamanites and the Negroes we have the definite word of the Lord Himself that He placed a DARK SKIN upon them as a CURSE...Behold the Lamanites your brethren, whom ye hate because of their filthiness and the CURSING which hath come upon their SKINS...(Book of Mormon, Jacob 3:5).
So, just thought I'd say thanks for the information. I'm in love with a Mormon, and this along with my favorite verse in the Book of Mormon (II Nephi 12:9 + Isaiah 2:9 = Mormon pwned?) are some great stuff that I'll be sure to tell her about :)
I think that, even if present-day Mormons do not practice polygamy or racism or whatnot like Mormons used to or how they're suppose to, then are they really Mormons? If you practice everything but that, then why shouldn't you be proud to say you aren't a Mormon and break away from the church and start your own form free of these things? It can be called Molmons, or Morrrmans.
Why did Jesus Christ himself say to Nicodemus that "except ye be born of water and of the spirit ye can not enter into the kingdom of heaven" if it is not important, as you are stating at the conclusion of this clip, to be physically baptized? Jesus Christ himself said it so yes members of the church of Jesus Christ believe it to be literally true. This does not mean they claim to be more powerful than God, which is obviously blasphemous and silly, which you made them out to be by your logic.
It is how God chooses to have the ordinances done. This is by his command. We believe that this is the spirit of Elijah, who will turns the hearts of the children to their fathers. It is a work we do to fulfil the commandment that all must be baptized to enter His Kingdom as Jesus even so was, to fulfil all righteousness. By the way, at sometime, after the millinial reign of Christ will come the judgement day. Here is where we receive our eternal glory or entrance into Heaven.
In this prison, missionary work continues for those who never had the chance of hearing Christ's gospel. Here you will carry many of the same attitudes you had in your earthlife. You also will have free agency, to chose to accept or not. Your brief explaination of vicarious work for the dead in temples is correct. These ordinances are physical ordinances. You are in spirit form so you have it done by proxy. Christ's atonement is a proxy. It does not make us more powerful than God. It is how God
Nothing will ever make sense to you. Mormons do not claim they know a 1st God who got it all rolling. Other Christian faiths claim God had no beginning. That would confuse you, too. If you believe in evolution, and that there is no God, where did matter come from? How was energy first formed? and out of what? All perplexing questions that doesn't make sense to our finite mind. Heaven is not the Spirit world. When you die, you either go to paradise (for believers in Christ) or Spirit Prison.
Sorry I've been busy. No one is converted immediately, we still have agency, they need to choose or not. You do not need to be resurrected to get a 2nd chance, Missionaries are in the afterlife too. Why wait? And just because Satan is bound doesn't mean pigheadedness will go away. People have denied the Gospel even while watching miracles being performed by Christ in front of them.
I am a Mission Leader I try and convert no one, that is Gods job, not mine. I just offer support to those who seek.
Why do you think we are? In our Ward alone we have many races and inter marriages. Couple=2 black-white,1 Asian-White. Our neck of the country is mostly white but we have 6 Asian,& 4 Black active members & more less active. At present there are over a million LDS in Mexico and tens of thousands in South America & Asia. Members of all races serve in the various callings of the church.
If this don't help be more specific's and I'll do my best to clarify. Individuals might be the LDS church isn't
ok, how many black people do you have in your leadership? why does marriott get sued every two years for racist policies? would you be okay with having a black person leading your entire cult? mormons have a well known history of being racist and until I see actions that say otherwise, it will be stained as a racist religion.
I assume you are talking leadership in the local ward. Our Young Man's President is Black, his white wife is in Young Woman's presidentcy. The head of our Ward (Bishop)his sister is married to a Black man who is also in the Young Men Presidentcy. They are both smart and outspoken men who would not have joined a racist church.
I care that any leadership in our church is called of God, race is irrelevant. Marriott is a business not the church. I said individuals might be racist, the church is not.
Why are you racist against mormons? By simply stating that they are racist you have revealed yourself to be the racist. You contradict yourself, or you are a hypocrit. Maybe bot.
first of all fuckface, mormonism is not a race, therefore I cannot be racist towards them. Mormonism is a cult. Secondly, your logic on racism, ("By simply stating that they are racist, you have revealed yourself to be the racist...") makes absolutely no fucking sense and you sound like a total ass fuck twit.
The Mormon church was never for BLACK people or INDIANS and they still teach this its in there scriptures they pass out today in 2009.LDS scriptures & prophets preach that Indians are LAMANITES and they were cursed with black skin for being BAD but can turn white if they do good.And that BLACK Africans are the sons of HAM the cursed seed of Cain and can not hold the priesthood and that there BLACK SKIN is a CURSE FROM GOD.Alma 3:6,Jacob 3:5,2 Nephi 5:21,Moses 7:8,Moses 7:22,Abraham 1:24-27
Maybe one day you should actually pick up the book of mormon, maybe go to church and maybe learn more about what your are saying and learn the truth because everything you have stated in this video are false and Us mormons do not believe we become gods, or are more powerful than god you really need to know the facts first!
Be fair. No where does it say we become God. We can become like God. We can help the spiritual awakening of souls in fulfilling the ultimate plan of Salvation. I figure its' like being a property manager for an apartment complex.
And LDS never states we are more powerful then God. I saw why you had that concept but it is incorrect. We are subject to his will and power. I have given many people blessings, not one word of a blessing is from my thoughts, Mostly I don't remember most what was said.
ldsvalley: Mormon doctrine DOES specifically say you can become gods.
D&C 132:20 "...Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them."
The doctrine doesn't say you're more powerful than God, but if God is unable to let someone convert in the afterlife until someone living is baptized and goes through the temple ordinances on there behalf, then God is subject to YOUR actions... which makes you more powerful than him.
Yes we can become God's,I used become like because we still will have our Heavenly Father and would not be more powerful then him. The belief is we become a God under him, possibly overseeing the plan of salvation for another planet hence the property manager reference.
As far as the YOUR actions issue with Baptism. God is created the plan, we simply follow it. For the plan to work it is always subject to our willingness to follow. If no one does no one is saved. Doesn't change who is in charge
Sorry again the fall is a real busy time. A pyramid scheme is when those at the top get people under them and make money off what they do. God gains no power for self or monetary gain. There for it is not a pyramid scheme. He does gain lots of love the more who come back to him but I don't figure that counts.
Hope things are going well in your life this day, for us Canadians it is Thanksgiving weekend and I have much to give thanks for. God,family and the LDS church included. Enjoy the day.
Sorry I was in church meetings yesterday and today. During the Millennium all peoples who believe in God and did the best they could will be resurrected on Earth. I figure being part of 1ooo years of peace and the knowledge it brings would be better then unbelief. And you get a chance for higher redemption. Also, any organization that encourages people to do good and be their best is a good thing.
LDS is my choice, God's wonderful plan gives others the freedom to make theirs.
ldsvalley - So the only people who won't be resurrected and given a 2nd chance to get the story right are atheists and other non-believers?
Since Satan will be locked up during the Millennium, and therefore he will be unable to create "false religions" or foster unbelief, won't everyone convert immediately?
As in 1 most groups don't believe in personal revelation in determining religious correctness. The LDS Prophets have stated ours is the most correct but others are good also. I believe God communicates with any who attempt to do so. He loves all his children. You've studied on many religions most have many common points, most differences are interpretive issues.
God answers us as we ask, If we pray should we be Muslim we might get a yes, it is a good religion and brings you closer to God
ldsvalley - The others are "good" but will only get you to the lowest degree of Heaven... the same place murders and rapists go. (The only way to get lower is to be a "son of perdition" - know the truth and refuse it anyway).
What good is a religion if it will only get you to the same degree of Heaven you would reach if you didn't have a religion or worship God at all?
1 I should have said without physical evidence.I can't speak for others,believed in God but not religion. Distrusted any religious preaching. Missionaries told me they would not convince me, God would. I read what they gave me and prayed. I warm blanket was wrapped around my mind and I felt peace. I have felt his presence too often to deny it. It is self discovery, no one can convince anyone. the LDS church, for my family is life itself.God gave us each agency to choose for ourselves. Peace be U
ldsvalley - If someone was interested in learning if Islam is true, would you recommend the same advice? Should they read the literature of that religion (the Koran, etc.) and pray to that God (Allah)?
Also, people in non-Mormon (and even anti-Mormon) religions have had similar personal experiences. How do you account for God giving a positive answer to people questioning non-Mormon beliefs?
Personally I would. As a general statement I would say it depended on what the leaders of a faith told them. I know of many that would say God or Allah or whomever does not answer man, that answers only come from properly trained leaders.
One major reason i shunned religion most of my life. I don't like getting into general statements because they are too easy to misinterpret. Mine is perfect for me, I pass no judgements on a person because they choose something different.
ldsvalley - Many Christians claim that when Muslims or Mormons get a positive response to a prayer about the truthfulness of their religion or holy book - they are actually getting an answer from Satan, not from God... Do you think you could tell the difference, and how would you know?
mormonism is in many ways a reenactment of islam - an illiterate claims to be visited by an angel, and receives the "true, final revelation", and in his newfound status as a prophet, lays claim to every woman he sees.
I didn't take the time to read the different comments. But I wanted to make my own about the video. First I am happily an LDS for the last 12 years. Most of these type of clips simply bash concepts. I enjoyed yours, I thought it was respectful and well done.
I believe your information is off track and am sure you have had many comments about that.
I caught part of one post where you said you would join in a second if evidence was present. The meaning of faith is believe without evidence.
I have a question regarding your comment: If faith is "belief without evidence" then what reason does anyone have to put faith in one religion over another?
I took time and read some other posts. You are as entitled to your views as I. I saw nothing wrong in what you posted other then the Information, in my understanding was slightly off. You can say what you want and my stance will not change nor become personal. It is a discussion, we have different views and are allowed by God to have them! To attack you in that manner, in my mind, is attacking Gods plan we LDS believe in. I tell people the only dumb question is the one you don't ask!
The book of mormon is the worst book I have ever read. It sounds just as if a complete retard was making up shit to sound like the king james bible. Awful. There is no way you could read that with an open mind and believe it. Not to mention the fact that the founder was a convicted con man and the book contradicts all of known archaeology and biology.
You have some good guestions. Questiion all and follow your heart. I have some for you what is time? how big is outer space? is there a begining and end of space? I emagion a big wall at the end of space. But whats on the other side? more space. You are asking questions that are ment for God not Mormons. Only if you are asking god with a humble heart can you get your answers. Its a ring of good, God=good so the same as the good. God will see you with the same eyes you see him.
Just because you resent religion doesn't mean it's not important to millions of people. Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean the BILLIONS throughout history wasted their time. Just because you don't understand how anyone could devote themselves to God, doesn't mean all the people in the world who have a personal relationship with Him are idiots or delusional. It definitely doesn't make God any less real. And just because you don't believe in the Mormon faith doesn't mean it's bunk.
I am criticizing your position. I've read throughout all of these comments and some of your other videos. You've continuously accused that people who believe in God have overactive imaginations, that it's all in their heads and they're not thinking for themselves. You also seem to resent when people demonstrate their beliefs in God, in this video specifically Mormons. You say it so condescendingly, how could I have mistaken your view any other way? What's sad is how wrong you are, that's all ...
Good for you, alexanderama. For az-01 to maintain his position and not admit to these things, while accusing Mormons (any Christians) of the things he does and then not accept responsibility for his statements, you're right on.
The proof is in front of you, Shawn. If you refuse to see it, literally, heaven help you. Good luck to you in your supposed 'quest' (though I do not think it is truly such). I will continue to know what I know to be true, because it HAS been proven to me. Undisputedly!
I came across something in the BoM today that amazingly parallels this post, almost word for word in some places. Go to scriptures . lds . org, then access BoM, then Alma, chapter 30. Start about verse 6 and go through to the end, paying close attention to the subject matter and the manner in which the discussion plays out. Note verses 13-17, 43 and 48, which honestly sound like you. I particularly like verses 34, 44-47, 52, and 60, but read the whole thing, then let me know what you think.
sislau - Korihor is my favorite BoM character. He speaks honestly, says he can't believe in something just because others claim it's true.
God reveals himself by making Korihor dumb. After converting he is forced to beg for food, then God lets him get trampled and killed by the Zoramites.
Verse 60 says the devil will not support his children, but when he was killed Korihor was no longer an atheist or agnostic, he was a believer. Apparently God won't support his children either.
Korihor was never converted to Christ. He admitted that he had been tricked by Satan (verse 53) and asked for the curse to be lifted, but Alma said he knew Korihor would just keep on lying to the people, so the curse wasn't reversed.
PS - in verse 52 Korihor also admitted to ALWAYS knowing there really was a God ... God will not be mocked. Therefore, verse 60 stands.
I find it interesting that about 2,100 years later, the same arguments remain. But God is still real. His proof is everywhere.
If you're going to invent a religion and you don't want people to think for themselves, question anything, or ask for proof of your claims. You include a skeptic in your "scripture," say the person was deceived by Satan, and include God's punishment.
That would allow you to threaten anyone who actually asks you for evidence of your religion's validity.
Then you claim victory by default, and you didn't even need to prove your story.
How would an 'unlearned' boy of 15 coming before satellite images and general knowledge of the true shapes of the continents know of the 'narrow strip of land' along with the rivers, etc. It's too close to geography of N/S Amer to have been made up. Or the Rameumptom thing in Alma 31 where the people were declaring from their high place holy holy and all that. How on EARTH could JS have made up that word, and been right on with the Hebrew? Look it up on Wikipedia. He couldn't have made those up.
sislau - The outline of N/S America had been mapped long before J.S. claimed to have spoken with God. He had an 8th grade education if I remember correctly, which means he had probably seen a map at some point.
sislau - Korihor admitted to being TRICKED by Satan. Once you admit to being tricked, that means you're NOT being tricked anymore.
(Do you continue to fall for the same prank over and over again?)
He was no longer being tricked, that means he was no longer one of the "devil's children." Yet God left him mute, made him beg for food, and allowed him to be trampled to death.
The only prank I seem to keep falling for is in taking your baiting emails and replying back ... I maintain you will never accept God in public, because of your following, etc.
I know the scriptures to be true, ALL the ones I've read and studied (character count does not allow me to list everything).
God is real. His existence is proved daily (to believe we are here due to a cosmic accident is the ultimate in stupidity). He tries to prove His love to us. If we don't see it, it's not HIS fault!
sislau - As I said previously, I would convert in a moment and recant everything I have said if evidence for God's existence presented itself. I don't care how many subscribers I may offend by doing so. I don't care if you believe me or not.
(I like the way you avoided the topic and instead returned to attacking my character. That's a good fall-back when you're unable to intelligently defend your position any longer.)
Acekitaa - If God can allow someone into Heaven without having someone else dunked underwater on their behalf... then why does he make Mormons go through useless motions?
He can allow it but because he has rules he does not allow it simply put. Therefore it is not useless, some see it as useless because they dont believe that someone needs to be baptized to enter heaven. But maybe you can explain to me why Catholics feel it neccesary to baptize children under eight, they dont sin surely it is not neccesary then.
Acekitaa - I'm not (nor have I ever been) Catholic, but I believe they baptize infants in order to save them from the original sin of Adam and Eve. They have a different understanding of "original sin" than Mormons.
thats why i sai i wasnt assuming you where however using the logic you have thus far proposed you can say that is unnecessary along with things regarding baptism in general
I'd like to post a comment on this video. This is a test to see if I can. The last 3 times I've tried it hasn't work. Has Shawn gotten so bored with our little discussion that I've been blocked? Cuz I sure have more to say ...
I didn't change any subject. Did you know Abraham Lincoln's wife name was Mary, he was the 16th president of the US, was the first ever assassinated, and loved to play on the internet? Of course he didn't play on the internet, but as for the points that are true, they are still true. If scripture contradicts, then more scripture is needed to confirm or deny the contradiction. That's what I love about the Book of Mormon: it clarifies any mistranslations in the others.
I honestly have yet to find disagreements within the BoM, etc. And I'm not some blind faith kind of person. I've looked. The Book of Mormon is absolutely true. It is literally the Word of God. It is another testament of Jesus Christ's reality and divinity. No doubts.
On that, have you ever bothered to read the entire BoM? You've claimed to study the Bible. I just wonder what other scriptures you may have thumbed through, let alone actually studied.
sislau - I've read the entire Bible, BoM, PoGP, D&C, a large portion of the Koran, Dianetics, along with many Hindu and Buddhist texts. How many different holy books have you read?
LOL! Read the verses before and after: Both times David and Solomon were referred in the way that the 'official' wives, etc., were fine. It's the ones they took without authority that were the abominable.
David basically had his calling and election made sure, then pride got in the way with Uriah's wife and he lost it all (see the end of verse 39) ... Hence, Psalms! Solomon's pride also took him over and he was 'with' so many women he lost the Spirit, and with it his kingdom. It's all context.
sislau - Yes, D&C 132:39 claims David was justified in having all his wives but Bathsheba, however that doesn't solve the contradiction.
The book of Jacob lists NO exceptions. It says the act of having multiple wives was an abomination. It goes on to say: "there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none" in verse 27.
sislau - You're not blocked. You probably have simply posted too many comments in too short of time, so YouTube temporarily blocked you from adding comments to any videos but your own.
PS - Heb 11:1 does say "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." It's not hope itself. It's the 'substance' of what you hope is true, with 'evidence' that is generally unseen. Once you KNOW (proving it or having the witness given to you), it's no longer 'faith'. It is called a perfect knowledge ... 1+1=2. You've proved that to yourself. You don't question it. It's elementary. You move to bigger things cuz that's something you accept already. Make sense?
well, as far as i know, there is you need a body to be baptized. like when christ was baptized by john the baptised, he wanted us to follow in his footsteps by being fully summerged in water, thus representing physical death, and coming out of the water clean and with out sin, thus representing the resurection. christ had a physical bidy on this earth, that is at least what i know about the whole baptizing stuff after death.
to be honest... ;) not ignorant. have a great day pal
well, christ's baptism was symbollic to the extent of representing death amd the resurrection etc.. but you know that.
all i am saying is that what I, and Mormons belive is that with out being baptised in the name of Jesus Christ, you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. that is why the LDS church does baptisms for the dead.
and to answer your last question,, "how does this make sence to you", to me personally, it just does. that is all i can say.
dyingtosleep - That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out. WHY does someone need to be baptized in order to reach the highest degree of glory? What is accomplished by dipping someone underwater that can't be accomplished in Heaven?
When you're on baptized in this life, Mormons will tell you that baptism is an outward sign of an internal covenant. Why can't this covenant be made in the spirit realm without someone living getting dunked underwater first?
wow... that is a good question. to be honest friend, the only answer i know for that question is that Christ was baptised and we must follow his example. i don't know if the phrase " an outward sign of an internal covenant" is true, i've never heard that before. ha umm and again what i know is, you need a body to be baptised... so sorry if im not much help...
dyingtosleep - Does the act of baptism do something to the body, or the spirit? If the spirit, then why can't God do it without making someone else get dunked underwater first?
It honestly saddens me to see how little respect you show God, Himself. Whether or not you believe in Him, to be so blatant about how you disrespect those who choose to it discouraging to your position in this posting.
Who do you mean? George Washington? Henry V? Napoleon? Erik the Red? Emperor Jimmu? I've never met any of them, but supposedly they existed. There are stories about them, though they must be made up, since I have nothing I can see today that proves their existence. Those drawings are just from someone's imagination. They're not real. Isn't that the same thing?
Baptism for the dead resulted from an "idiotic" pastor telling the Smiths their son "Alvin who died" went to hell because he hadn't been baptized. Joseph had a brainstorm to ignore the power of God and introduced the power of men.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap How is baptizing the dead ignoring the 'power of god' for the power of men?
humanistheart 6 months ago
Mormonism = Evolution on crack taught by self rightesous men who believe size really matters.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
Great video!!!
IRISHBUDDAFILTH 1 year ago
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God and Jesus do not exist, you are all living a false and absurd way of life.
Christianity is a fantasy for the weak, who are in need of salvation and refuge, which ironically is not promised, and not supplied.
I can only hope Christian people can wake up and come out into the light, you are all slowly dying, your "God" is slowly killing you, you will die slowly, reaching out for God's hand and assistance, I am sorry.
Christianity is a scapegoat for one's insanity.
I am sorry...
10128222 1 year ago
Finally someone makes a video to point out incoherencies in Mormonism WITHOUT referencing equally nonsensical claims from the Bible. There is an endless list of problems with mormonism (most of which are shared by christianity as a whole), but the infinite regression problem of "gods creating gods" is one of the problems I've pointed out to LDS people I know.
I was raised mormon, but never (even as a young kid) could bring myself to believe it. I asked too many questions...
Tibberclaw 1 year ago
@ldsvalley I'm Mexican and I can easily tell you there isn't a million Mormon mexicans just couple thousand. We are more catholic.
P.s fuck Mormons
tovarislas 1 year ago
@tovarislas Wow a Mexican wrote a whole post without switching to Spanish or spelling something wrong! It must be a miracle from you're god!
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart i know huh
tovarislas 1 year ago
At 3:40, or so, you are certainly talking about the GREAT QUESTION, here!
"Which came first? The chicken, or the egg?"
There is probably no answer to the MORMON PYRAMID SCHEME, for the very same reason (as with the chicken vs. the egg controversy).
But, it shows your interesting and unique thought process, at work, there!
(I will bet you that no Mormons have ever done that!)
LMAO
orlovna2 1 year ago
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Djstalker89 1 year ago
Technically the God in heaven enables mormons to do baptisms for the dead through the "restored priesthood"
MilesEditingCompany 1 year ago
Another thing about the Mormon doctrine (Book of Mormon). Why does the name of "Jesus" appear in it at all? During his life, Christ had the name of something close to Yahshuah "Y-H-S-W-H" meaning "YAH saves" (God saves). Jesus, as we pronounce and spell it today, was not in use until many centuries after Yahshuah's death.
7greenjeans7 1 year ago
@7greenjeans7
That is a good point. By all intents (and for all purposes), even the "other" Hebrew name was inscribed above His cross: YHWH
And, IESU was the Latinized form.
(It could be extrapolated that IESU, in the ancient Latin, became YESU, which also became a capital letter 'i' with a long tail, on it: or, 'j', making it JESU. It is then a small step, to add an extra English 's', at the end).
Interestingly, the nickname of Y'shua was YESHU (with the typical 'sh' sound, of Hebrew).
orlovna2 1 year ago
@orlovna2 According to "The Toldoth Yeshu", Yeshu in hebrew is an acronym for "Yemach Shemow W-Zikhrow" which means: "May his name and memory be erased". This mockery of Christ's Name when trans. into greek became: "Iesou", and the conjugated "Iesous" then to "Iesus" in Latin which has been spelled "Jesus" since the 14th century. It acquired it's present pronunciation in the 16th century. Yahweh was similarly changed to Yehowah (Jehovah) which is also in fact a mockery of His Name.
7greenjeans7 1 year ago
@7greenjeans7 " I am Yahweh, that is My Name, and My esteem I do not give to another, nor My praise to Idols" Isaiah 42:8.
“I am יהוה, that is My Name, and My esteem I do not give to another, nor My praise to idols.
Also: Yahshua is Christ. Jesus is not Jahshua.
7greenjeans7 1 year ago
Some interesting points. I've always found it quite irritating how those who question/criticize/critique the Mormon faith are routinely accused of "not understanding the faith" or "getting your information from faulty sources", etc. All the while never providing coherent answers of their own.
Pacisdiligo 1 year ago
Many profess to "know the mormons". You may not have all of your facts dead on, but you at least didn't present them in negative ways entirely. You seemed to attempt to present our beliefs without too much sarcasm or negativity, and then presented why you don't agree with our religion. I respect that. You did not try to prove our religion is false, like many do, you just explained why you don't agree with this aspect and this aspect of it, etc
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selious04 2 years ago
Amusing video, but don't confuse Mormons with Christian's. They are not, even though most believe they are.
contactjrnow 2 years ago
If you make a tough questions for morons, wait, I mean mormons I will love you even more, that series would be great and the replies would be a riot. the responses for this video alone are pure comedy. Their books are worse the christians one book.
chuckgnarkill 2 years ago
Brigham- likes 'em- Young was a was a racist. All religions are dumb, but holy shit, this one is blatantly retarded.
EatTinker 2 years ago
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." --Stuart Chase
sislau 2 years ago
mormons becoming gods.... check into theosis. This was a common belief in the early Church, and is still being taught in the Eastern Orthodoxy today. Read up on it.
myway43 2 years ago
MORMONS HAVING SEX IN HEAVEN,GET PLANETS & BECOME GODS
Joseph F. Smith Jr,Doctrines of Salvation,Vol.2,p.48:
...To become like him we must have all the powers of GODhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one ...There is no end to this development; it will go on forever.We will become GODS and have jurisdiction over worlds,and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring.We will have an endless eternity for this.
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
LDS MORMON PROPHET Brigham Young said the Africans are the SEED of CAIN!
LDS MORMON PROPHET Brigham Young March 8,1863,stated:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the AFRICAN RACE? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of CAIN, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so" (Journal of Discourses, 10:110).
..the LORD shall CURSE the land..A BLACKNESS came upon all the(BLACK AFRICANS)..of Canaan..(LDS Moses7:8)
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
umm you said mormons become gods its true but they just dont insantly become gods and they cant make worlds right off the bat. you say mormons arre better than gods thats crap! then thats like saying catholics are better then god because god hasnt came down to earth. i DO baptisms for the dead and its more like a service to our heavenly father. SO DONT MAKE UP CRAP YOU DO NOT KNOW ABOUT MORMONS!
charleypro 2 years ago
charleypro A MORMON PROPHET Teaching MORMONS ON BECOMING GODS and MAKING there OWN PLANETS & WORLDS
Brethren 225,000 of you are here tonight. I suppose 225, 000 of you may become GODS. There seems to be plenty of space out there in the universe.And the Lord has proved that he knows how to do it. I think he could make, or probably have us help make,worlds for all of us, for every one of us 225,000 (LDS PROPHET Spencer W. Kimball, The Privilege of Holding the Priesthood, Ensign, Nov 1975, 77).
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
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The introduction to the 1981(LDS) The Book of Mormon states,"The Lamanites are the principal ancestors of the American Indians."
LDS MORMON PROPHET Joseph Smith stated the following:
"....The Lamanites, through transgression, became a loathsome, ignorant and filthy people, and were CURSED with a SKIN of DARKNESS yet, they have the promise, if they will believe, and work righteousness...they shall become a WHITE and DELIGHTSOME people..."
:The Latter-Day Saints Millennial Star, vol. 14, p. 418 "
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
Baptism is an ordinance that has to be done with a physical body and cannot be done with a spirit body. We are not more powerful than God, but He has restored His authority on the earth called the Priesthood through Joseph Smith. When an individual is baptized by a worthy Priesthood holder in my church with the Priesthood it is accepted by God. Also baptism is what opens the gates toward salvation.
mormonx2 2 years ago
mormonx2 - What is accomplished by being dunked underwater that God can't accomplish in the spirit world?
(And if you can do something God can't, how does that NOT make you more powerful than God?)
azsuperman01 2 years ago 2
No we are not more powerful than God, but He is bound by His own laws and one of those is that for us to gain salvation we must be baptized.
mormonx2 2 years ago
mormonx2 - You didn't answer the question, what is accomplished by being dunked underwater that God can't accomplish in the spirit world?
azsuperman01 2 years ago
Matt. 3: 15 - "...,Suffer it to be so now; for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness." Then in the Book of Mormon the prophet Nephi expounds upon this statement in 2 Nephi Chapter 31. I hope this answers your question and if not respond back.
mormonx2 2 years ago
@azsuperman01 The chance for us to learn selfless service for our spiritual brothers and sisters. Something essential for our development of divine attributes. Hence the saying "we without them cannot be made perfect; neither can they without us be made perfect"
SuperDuck25 1 year ago
Your questions are very insightful!
When you believe, as mormons do, that the Resurrection of Christ was a foreshadowing of the blessings in store for us---you realize that our physical bodies AND our spiritual bodies are resurrected as one...the covenant of baptism is a symbolic cleansing of the body...and your spirit is cleansed by fire (Holy ghost) These are symbolic teachings with literal blessings.
From a biblical perspective, Christ was baptized in this world, not in the spirit world.
blandinthebasement 2 years ago
No offense but you are way off. "Worthy priesthood holder?" You tell me who is worthy. Bible says no man is worthy, and all our righteousness is like a filthy rag to God. Righteousness, is found only in Christ, who is our high priest. There is no one that can hold melchesidek priest title but Jesus Christ. Baptism, is an outward symbol of an inward manifestation. It does not save you! It's a sign that you have been saved, and symbolizes the death and spiritual rebirth in Christ. all things new
desertdoggz 2 years ago
Here are some scriptures that lay out Qualifications for an individual in my faith to be Worthy Priesthood Holders:
New Testament
Acts 6:2-4
2 Cor. 4:1-2
1 Tim. 4:12-16
Doctrine and Covenants
4: 1-6
mormonx2 2 years ago
UMM SO WHAT YOURE SAYING HERE IS EVERYONE IS GOING TO HELL!!! You do not just become 14 and then youre a melckesidek priesthood elder. the bishop talks to you asks you questions and if yourre worthy by the laying on of hands you become one. RETARD!!!!!!!!!!!!
charleypro 2 years ago
I guess your so brainwashed with mormon theology you can't understand what I said, or you can't think for yourself? You have to resort to name calling? Try picking up a bible and not only reading it but studying it. You are not worthy! and never could be no matter what some man laying hands on you, tells you. Yes, we would be destined to hell, but God sent Jesus, NOT joseph, to redeem us. Only thru Christ can we find salvation. Grace is a GIFT, it cannot be earned!
desertdoggz 2 years ago
Furthermore, Jesus who was God incarnate, IS WORTHY, and died for us so that those who believed, would recieve forgiveness of sin, and be in relationship with God & empowered by the Holy Spirit. Salvation, or Grace, is not about OUR worthiness, (who could live up to that) but Christ's worthiness, who was the perfect, sinless, blameless sacrafice offered up IN OUR PLACE. Our sins, & our shame was put upon Jesus, He paid our penalty. God says "My Grace is Sufficient For Thee" (Believe it)
desertdoggz 2 years ago
let's talk about 'mormons' because then people will watch my videos!
Actually, we do believe in eternal damnation--which is GOD's punishment since that is HIS name (eternal) Read the D&C...you aren't very knowledgeable about our faith...not surprisingly.
blandinthebasement 2 years ago
blandinthebasement - You said you believe in "eternal damnation" but you didn't say what you believe it is.
I've read the D&C. Do you have a specific Chapter and verse in mind?
azsuperman01 2 years ago
My bad...I suppose it is easy to read the D&C and not retain EVERYTHING..I certainly do not and I've read it many times. Thank you for asking!
D&C 19: 6-12
If this doesn't answer your question/point--let me know :) Sorry I was kind of rude in my last post--I must have been coming off of a Diet Coke high.
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SKIN color does matter to the MORMON GOD
13...I beheld a virgin, and she was exceedingly FAIR and WHITE.18 ...the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh.(BOOK OF MORMON 1 Nephi 11:13-18)
30...and behold they were white, even as Jesus. (Book Of Mormon 3 nephi 19:30)
"...the Lord God did cause a skin of BLACKNESS to come upon them (Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 5:21)."
"And the skins...were DARK...which WAS A CURSE upon them...(Book of Mormon, Alma 3:6)"
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
Mormons BECOME GODS!
D&C 132:37...they did none other things than that which they were commanded,they have entered into their exaltation,according to the promises,and sit upon thrones,and are not angels but are Gods.
D&C 132:20 Then shall they be Gods, because they have no end;...from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue;then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be Gods,because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
sorry for swearing, and i guess you're not bashing you're just finding the faults in religions instead of finding the good things, i guess finding the faults is more fun right? at least you're not like that fuck face awesomeathiest or whatever his name is.
Bulldog76center 2 years ago
Bulldog76center - I have never denied that there are (some) good things in religion... there are good things in all fairy tales. However, that doesn't make them any more likely to be true.
I'm concerned with finding the truth, whatever it may be.
azsuperman01 2 years ago
In the last few days xxxstraddle, ulissupple,chocabenchaca were suspended for doing no more than just what is here. As "Hypnotstscollector" I had my account suspended for "Copyright Violations" 3 weeks ago. I own and use some 200 original pub. form 1800-1915. Now, how do you think i feel being accused by Morms' of such a thing when their entire religion is based on A STOLEN BOOK!?
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
i hate mormons just as much as everyone in the world, but they don't harm anyone but themselves, and according to you that goes for all religious people, but i don't see the point in bashing us since we are winning the war and forever will win the war and since you're so fucking brilliant you would know that.dumb ass.
Bulldog76center 2 years ago
Bulldog76center - Why is it called "bashing" when I explain why I don't accept the Mormon religion (anymore), but when Mormons explain why they're not Catholic, Pentecostal, atheist, etc. it's not "bashing?"
azsuperman01 2 years ago
You know its funny, you never see "us" mormons bashing any other religion. we are always the persecuted ones and we believe in what we believe. you dont have to believe in it. if you only knew...
TheWhoLover 2 years ago
TheWhoLover - That's funny... Mormons "bash" just as much as anyone else.
azsuperman01 2 years ago
What a silly and hyperbolic statement. you sound like a bully seeking any excuse to push around harmless mormons.
zacideamus 2 years ago
zacideamus - Is disagreeing the same as "bullying" now?
Mormons consider anyone who discusses the problems in their religion an "anti-Mormon," and they accuse them of "Mormon bashing." However, Mormons are just as quick to discuss the problems they see in other religions... which means they "bash" just as much as everyone else.
azsuperman01 2 years ago
whatever...assuming any group in general is wholly guilty of something is hyperbole and unfair...such targeting is bullying....
zacideamus 2 years ago
zacideamus - What have I said Mormons are "wholly guilty of" as a group? I said they are JUST AS GUILTY of "bashing" as any other group.
If you are claiming that Mormons (as a group) are wholly guilty of NOT bashing as much as any other groups -- then THAT is definitely a hyperbole.
azsuperman01 2 years ago
wrong. Additionally in all my surfing on youtube i have never seen videos made by mormons approach anywhere near the irrational hostility of their detractors. to say otherwise is truly silly.
zacideamus 2 years ago
in reply to the "devine pyramid scheme" (because, yes, i am mormon). I do believe that our god was man, and that man (not just mormons, but all righteous people) will in turn be gods. where does it start/end? where's it's purpose? idk, but this is where faith comes in. i also agree with imtherealthing. god could baptise people, but he'd rather have his children (us) learn by faith and have us do it. this whole life on earth is about faith. thank you, have a nice life.
KHrulerz 2 years ago
I saw a Chick Tract the other day about Mormons. I used to think "Yeah, that's right." After my full enlightenment sometime during the summer of 2007, I think, "The pot calling the Kettle Black", Many of my friends in high school knew the truth and just let me be me. I kind of wish they would have culed me a little bit, maybe more of the last 40 years could have been free thinking. Maybe not. I'm here now though. Thanks for the Video.
hyoidbone54 3 years ago
Let me say it another way regarding Baptism for the dead...God can do anything...he does not need us to do anything for HIm...but he asks us...we do it because we want to obey HIm and because we also do this out of LOVE for HIM and our brothers and sisters who have died..this gives us a chance to serve those who have passed on without this ordiance they did not recieve - it is hard to explain stuff of God and the reasons we do them to un- believers..told not "to cast our pearls before swine"
imtherealthing 3 years ago
Your information is based on anti-mormon literature - not accurate.
What do you have to offer as way of living? - it is easy enough to rip apart other's beliefs - but what do you have to offer to humankind?right...NOTHING...actually you already belong to a religion - it is called Atheism and we see how well that works in countries where they adhere to this - if you want - move to one of those countries - you should be so lucky to live in a country that was built on Judeo/Christian teachings.
imtherealthing 3 years ago
imtherealthing - My information is based on Mormon theology, not "anti-Mormon literature." It's all accurate, it's just not worded the way you are used to hearing it.
BTW - Statistically speaking, countries with lower religiosity are happier and have lower crime rates than highly religious countries (like the US). I happen to like the US, I want to make it a better place, not just ignore the problems and run away.
azsuperman01 3 years ago
azsuperman01 quote:" My information is based on Mormon theology, not "anti-Mormon literature."
My Reply: WRONG - please CITE those works that are from my theology to support what you say above. The stuff you mention above is re-gurgitated anti-mormon literature which is old by the way (i.e Godmakers, mormon Illusion, etc) and if you claim "it's all accurate" - please cite the LDS books - plain and simple - this will show everyone exactly if you know what you are talking about.
imtherealthing 3 years ago
imtherealthing - I don't know which parts of the video you disagree with. How about you tell me what I have wrong, and I'll discuss those specific topics.
Or, I can just guess which topics you want to distance yourself from.
azsuperman01 3 years ago
intherealthing - Do you disagree that Mormons can become Gods?
(Read D&C 132: 19-22)
Do you disagree that Mormons think God used to be a man?
(Read the quote from Brigham Young in the Journal of Discourses, pg 333. "He [God] is our Father--the Father of our spirits, and was once a man in mortal flesh as we are... a finite being;")
azsuperman01 3 years ago
azsuperman01
You make me ROLF!!
wow..look everyone...another arm-chair academic...you know the ones...those who Google for information rather than study out of textbooks..lol
Let's see how we went from discussing America being built on Judeo/Christian teachings to the questions you pose ...hmmm..yep...not much of an academic are you?
Talk about "distanc[ing] yourself from ...the topic". ..lol
imtherealthing 3 years ago
imtherealthing - LOL! I wasn't responding to your claim about the US, I was responding to you asking me to cite my sources.
You claimed my video was not based on actual Mormon theology, I was proving otherwise. My video has nothing to do with whether or not the US was based on Judeo/Christian/Muslim beliefs.
azsuperman01 3 years ago
azsuperman01
Ah..perhaps you should quote what you are refering to.
The so-called questions you pose in the video is partially true and twisted as presented in your video and by most anti-mormons who have a knack for this.
Do you know what "yellow journalist techniques refer to? - it is the way one presents information - you know - music sounding sinister , the use of demeaning captions, Ad Homenims, etc
Well you do that quite well in presenting some of our truths by doing all that.
imtherealthing 3 years ago
imtherealthing - Alright, I'll quote you... You said: "please CITE those works that are from my theology"
So I did.
"The so-called questions you pose in the video is partially true and twisted as presented in your video and by most anti-mormons who have a knack for this."
So, I told the truth, but I didn't use the flattering language they use in church.
azsuperman01 3 years ago
imtherealthing - "music sounding sinister , the use of demeaning captions, Ad Homenims, etc... you do that quite well in presenting some of our truths by doing all that. "
I don't think the music was sinister, I didn't use any demeaning captions, and I didn't resort to any ad homenim
azsuperman01 3 years ago
azsuperman01
And your point is?...now that you bring these questions to the front.
imtherealthing 3 years ago
imtherealthing - I'm asking you to defend your statement. You said my video is not based on Mormon theology, I'm asking you to show me which part. I only covered two basic topics, and I provided documentation for the claims I made.
If you disagree, please explain what I got wrong and how.
azsuperman01 3 years ago
imtherealthing - I doubt that you disagree with me about baptisms for the dead, that's a pretty well known Mormon belief.
You probably disagree with my conclusion that Baptism for the Dead makes you more powerful than God -- but if dunking someone underwater while saying the name of a dead person does something which God is incapable of doing in Heaven, then you ARE more powerful than God.
azsuperman01 3 years ago
azsuperman01 's quote:"You probably disagree with my conclusion that Baptism for the Dead makes you more powerful than God -- but if dunking someone underwater while saying the name of a dead person does something which God is incapable of doing in Heaven, then you ARE more powerful than God. "
My reply: yes I disagree...and your conclusion only comes by your lack of understanding the doctrine...God does not need us to do this...he asks us to do this.
imtherealthing 3 years ago
imtherealthing - "God does not need us to do this...he asks us to do this."
So, baptism by proxy is completely useless.
azsuperman01 3 years ago
America was not built or based upon Judeo-Christian beliefs or teachings.
dontpushmedute 3 years ago
What are you - some sort of moron?
Seriously how can you say that? Tell you what - go say that to Professors of Religious Studies, Sociology, Archeology, History, and any other social science - what a moron you just proved yourself to be - seriously.
I am working on a MA now (Masters of Arts) and I can say you are a certified moron.
imtherealthing 3 years ago
The founding fathers came to America in search of separation from the church. Most of them were either agnostic or atheist. Just because modern American christianity borrows many ideas from the American constitution doesn't prove the inverse.
What I'm saying is, Chrisitanity is a fundamentally bigoted and discriminatory religion. It has been molded into a different set of beliefs in order to be marketable to modern day Americans.
P.S. Your degree means nothing.
dontpushmedute 3 years ago
To add to my previous comments about racism. Many people draw the conclusion that the LDS church are racist because most blacks did not have the priesthood before 1978(?)But the way it worked was only 2 of the 13 tribes in Old Testament were allowed priesthood. Logic is there but require many posts to explain. Any worthy male no matter what race of those 2 tribes had PRSTHD, yes some were black, those of us of other tribes, me included, would not.
IN 12 years I have never seen racism in church.
ldsvalley 3 years ago
ldsvalley The Mormon God curses the Lamanites which the Mormons believe are the American INDIANS with BLACK SKIN for rebelling against him."...wherefore,as they were white and exceedingly fair and delightsome,that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a Skin of Blackness to come upon them(2Nephi 5:21)."The Mormon God turns the Indians Back White if they OBEY him"And their curse was taken from them,and their skin became white like unto the Nephites"(3Nephi2:15).
Ilegalplayer 3 years ago
ldsvalley the lds church is racist! LDS prophet Joseph Fielding Smith on blacks-
Not only was Cain called upon to suffer [for killing Abel], but because of his wickedness HE BECAME THE FATHER OF AN INFERIOR RACE. . . . MILLIONS OF SOULS HAVE COME INTO THIS WORLD CURSED WITH A BLACK SKIN and have been denied the privilege of Priesthood and the fullness of the blessing of the Gospel. These are the descendants of Cain." (The Way to Perfection, by
Joseph Fielding Smith,pages 101-102.
Ilegalplayer 3 years ago
,,MORMON DOCTRINE read LDS Apostles MARK E. PETERSON "Who placed the Negroes originally in darkest Africa? Was it some man, or was it God? And when He placed them there, He segregated them... At least in the cases of the Lamanites and the Negroes we have the definite word of the Lord Himself that He placed a DARK SKIN upon them as a CURSE...Behold the Lamanites your brethren, whom ye hate because of their filthiness and the CURSING which hath come upon their SKINS...(Book of Mormon, Jacob 3:5).
Ilegalplayer 3 years ago
So, just thought I'd say thanks for the information. I'm in love with a Mormon, and this along with my favorite verse in the Book of Mormon (II Nephi 12:9 + Isaiah 2:9 = Mormon pwned?) are some great stuff that I'll be sure to tell her about :)
blithium 3 years ago
I think that, even if present-day Mormons do not practice polygamy or racism or whatnot like Mormons used to or how they're suppose to, then are they really Mormons? If you practice everything but that, then why shouldn't you be proud to say you aren't a Mormon and break away from the church and start your own form free of these things? It can be called Molmons, or Morrrmans.
AtomicLiliRetroValfa 3 years ago
Then we would have to change all our sweet nametags with the gold trim. You would understand if you saw how PIMP these nametags are.
NotRlyMatthew 3 years ago
morons...why was j. smith in JAIL awaiting trial for arson when he died?
slacker97068 3 years ago
Why did Jesus Christ himself say to Nicodemus that "except ye be born of water and of the spirit ye can not enter into the kingdom of heaven" if it is not important, as you are stating at the conclusion of this clip, to be physically baptized? Jesus Christ himself said it so yes members of the church of Jesus Christ believe it to be literally true. This does not mean they claim to be more powerful than God, which is obviously blasphemous and silly, which you made them out to be by your logic.
pangeanet 3 years ago
Thanks, sorry about my previous private message, I didn't look to see if you'd already made a video about it. :)
blithium 3 years ago
It is how God chooses to have the ordinances done. This is by his command. We believe that this is the spirit of Elijah, who will turns the hearts of the children to their fathers. It is a work we do to fulfil the commandment that all must be baptized to enter His Kingdom as Jesus even so was, to fulfil all righteousness. By the way, at sometime, after the millinial reign of Christ will come the judgement day. Here is where we receive our eternal glory or entrance into Heaven.
LordPillsbury1959 3 years ago
In this prison, missionary work continues for those who never had the chance of hearing Christ's gospel. Here you will carry many of the same attitudes you had in your earthlife. You also will have free agency, to chose to accept or not. Your brief explaination of vicarious work for the dead in temples is correct. These ordinances are physical ordinances. You are in spirit form so you have it done by proxy. Christ's atonement is a proxy. It does not make us more powerful than God. It is how God
LordPillsbury1959 3 years ago
Nothing will ever make sense to you. Mormons do not claim they know a 1st God who got it all rolling. Other Christian faiths claim God had no beginning. That would confuse you, too. If you believe in evolution, and that there is no God, where did matter come from? How was energy first formed? and out of what? All perplexing questions that doesn't make sense to our finite mind. Heaven is not the Spirit world. When you die, you either go to paradise (for believers in Christ) or Spirit Prison.
LordPillsbury1959 3 years ago
Sorry I've been busy. No one is converted immediately, we still have agency, they need to choose or not. You do not need to be resurrected to get a 2nd chance, Missionaries are in the afterlife too. Why wait? And just because Satan is bound doesn't mean pigheadedness will go away. People have denied the Gospel even while watching miracles being performed by Christ in front of them.
I am a Mission Leader I try and convert no one, that is Gods job, not mine. I just offer support to those who seek.
ldsvalley 3 years ago
why are mormons so racist?
deuxhardboiledeggs 3 years ago
Why do you think we are? In our Ward alone we have many races and inter marriages. Couple=2 black-white,1 Asian-White. Our neck of the country is mostly white but we have 6 Asian,& 4 Black active members & more less active. At present there are over a million LDS in Mexico and tens of thousands in South America & Asia. Members of all races serve in the various callings of the church.
If this don't help be more specific's and I'll do my best to clarify. Individuals might be the LDS church isn't
ldsvalley 3 years ago
ok, how many black people do you have in your leadership? why does marriott get sued every two years for racist policies? would you be okay with having a black person leading your entire cult? mormons have a well known history of being racist and until I see actions that say otherwise, it will be stained as a racist religion.
deuxhardboiledeggs 3 years ago
I assume you are talking leadership in the local ward. Our Young Man's President is Black, his white wife is in Young Woman's presidentcy. The head of our Ward (Bishop)his sister is married to a Black man who is also in the Young Men Presidentcy. They are both smart and outspoken men who would not have joined a racist church.
I care that any leadership in our church is called of God, race is irrelevant. Marriott is a business not the church. I said individuals might be racist, the church is not.
ldsvalley 3 years ago
Why are you racist against mormons? By simply stating that they are racist you have revealed yourself to be the racist. You contradict yourself, or you are a hypocrit. Maybe bot.
NotRlyMatthew 3 years ago
first of all fuckface, mormonism is not a race, therefore I cannot be racist towards them. Mormonism is a cult. Secondly, your logic on racism, ("By simply stating that they are racist, you have revealed yourself to be the racist...") makes absolutely no fucking sense and you sound like a total ass fuck twit.
deuxhardboiledeggs 3 years ago
The Mormon church was never for BLACK people or INDIANS and they still teach this its in there scriptures they pass out today in 2009.LDS scriptures & prophets preach that Indians are LAMANITES and they were cursed with black skin for being BAD but can turn white if they do good.And that BLACK Africans are the sons of HAM the cursed seed of Cain and can not hold the priesthood and that there BLACK SKIN is a CURSE FROM GOD.Alma 3:6,Jacob 3:5,2 Nephi 5:21,Moses 7:8,Moses 7:22,Abraham 1:24-27
Ilegalplayer 3 years ago
Maybe one day you should actually pick up the book of mormon, maybe go to church and maybe learn more about what your are saying and learn the truth because everything you have stated in this video are false and Us mormons do not believe we become gods, or are more powerful than god you really need to know the facts first!
Ftballdemon23 3 years ago
Ftballdemon23 - I highly recommend you study your own theology a little better.
azsuperman01 3 years ago
Be fair. No where does it say we become God. We can become like God. We can help the spiritual awakening of souls in fulfilling the ultimate plan of Salvation. I figure its' like being a property manager for an apartment complex.
And LDS never states we are more powerful then God. I saw why you had that concept but it is incorrect. We are subject to his will and power. I have given many people blessings, not one word of a blessing is from my thoughts, Mostly I don't remember most what was said.
ldsvalley 3 years ago
ldsvalley: Mormon doctrine DOES specifically say you can become gods.
D&C 132:20 "...Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them."
The doctrine doesn't say you're more powerful than God, but if God is unable to let someone convert in the afterlife until someone living is baptized and goes through the temple ordinances on there behalf, then God is subject to YOUR actions... which makes you more powerful than him.
azsuperman01 3 years ago
Yes we can become God's,I used become like because we still will have our Heavenly Father and would not be more powerful then him. The belief is we become a God under him, possibly overseeing the plan of salvation for another planet hence the property manager reference.
As far as the YOUR actions issue with Baptism. God is created the plan, we simply follow it. For the plan to work it is always subject to our willingness to follow. If no one does no one is saved. Doesn't change who is in charge
ldsvalley 3 years ago
ldsvalley - Hence the reference to an eternal pyramid scheme of God's creating Gods.
azsuperman01 3 years ago
Sorry again the fall is a real busy time. A pyramid scheme is when those at the top get people under them and make money off what they do. God gains no power for self or monetary gain. There for it is not a pyramid scheme. He does gain lots of love the more who come back to him but I don't figure that counts.
Hope things are going well in your life this day, for us Canadians it is Thanksgiving weekend and I have much to give thanks for. God,family and the LDS church included. Enjoy the day.
ldsvalley 3 years ago
Sorry I was in church meetings yesterday and today. During the Millennium all peoples who believe in God and did the best they could will be resurrected on Earth. I figure being part of 1ooo years of peace and the knowledge it brings would be better then unbelief. And you get a chance for higher redemption. Also, any organization that encourages people to do good and be their best is a good thing.
LDS is my choice, God's wonderful plan gives others the freedom to make theirs.
Happy Sabbeth
ldsvalley 3 years ago
ldsvalley - So the only people who won't be resurrected and given a 2nd chance to get the story right are atheists and other non-believers?
Since Satan will be locked up during the Millennium, and therefore he will be unable to create "false religions" or foster unbelief, won't everyone convert immediately?
azsuperman01 3 years ago
Part 2
As in 1 most groups don't believe in personal revelation in determining religious correctness. The LDS Prophets have stated ours is the most correct but others are good also. I believe God communicates with any who attempt to do so. He loves all his children. You've studied on many religions most have many common points, most differences are interpretive issues.
God answers us as we ask, If we pray should we be Muslim we might get a yes, it is a good religion and brings you closer to God
ldsvalley 3 years ago
ldsvalley - The others are "good" but will only get you to the lowest degree of Heaven... the same place murders and rapists go. (The only way to get lower is to be a "son of perdition" - know the truth and refuse it anyway).
What good is a religion if it will only get you to the same degree of Heaven you would reach if you didn't have a religion or worship God at all?
azsuperman01 3 years ago
1 I should have said without physical evidence.I can't speak for others,believed in God but not religion. Distrusted any religious preaching. Missionaries told me they would not convince me, God would. I read what they gave me and prayed. I warm blanket was wrapped around my mind and I felt peace. I have felt his presence too often to deny it. It is self discovery, no one can convince anyone. the LDS church, for my family is life itself.God gave us each agency to choose for ourselves. Peace be U
ldsvalley 3 years ago
ldsvalley - If someone was interested in learning if Islam is true, would you recommend the same advice? Should they read the literature of that religion (the Koran, etc.) and pray to that God (Allah)?
Also, people in non-Mormon (and even anti-Mormon) religions have had similar personal experiences. How do you account for God giving a positive answer to people questioning non-Mormon beliefs?
azsuperman01 3 years ago
Part 1
Personally I would. As a general statement I would say it depended on what the leaders of a faith told them. I know of many that would say God or Allah or whomever does not answer man, that answers only come from properly trained leaders.
One major reason i shunned religion most of my life. I don't like getting into general statements because they are too easy to misinterpret. Mine is perfect for me, I pass no judgements on a person because they choose something different.
ldsvalley 3 years ago
ldsvalley - Many Christians claim that when Muslims or Mormons get a positive response to a prayer about the truthfulness of their religion or holy book - they are actually getting an answer from Satan, not from God... Do you think you could tell the difference, and how would you know?
azsuperman01 3 years ago
mormonism is in many ways a reenactment of islam - an illiterate claims to be visited by an angel, and receives the "true, final revelation", and in his newfound status as a prophet, lays claim to every woman he sees.
punnet2 3 years ago
I didn't take the time to read the different comments. But I wanted to make my own about the video. First I am happily an LDS for the last 12 years. Most of these type of clips simply bash concepts. I enjoyed yours, I thought it was respectful and well done.
I believe your information is off track and am sure you have had many comments about that.
I caught part of one post where you said you would join in a second if evidence was present. The meaning of faith is believe without evidence.
ldsvalley 3 years ago
ldsvalley - Thank you for your kind words.
I have a question regarding your comment: If faith is "belief without evidence" then what reason does anyone have to put faith in one religion over another?
azsuperman01 3 years ago
I took time and read some other posts. You are as entitled to your views as I. I saw nothing wrong in what you posted other then the Information, in my understanding was slightly off. You can say what you want and my stance will not change nor become personal. It is a discussion, we have different views and are allowed by God to have them! To attack you in that manner, in my mind, is attacking Gods plan we LDS believe in. I tell people the only dumb question is the one you don't ask!
ldsvalley 3 years ago
The book of mormon is the worst book I have ever read. It sounds just as if a complete retard was making up shit to sound like the king james bible. Awful. There is no way you could read that with an open mind and believe it. Not to mention the fact that the founder was a convicted con man and the book contradicts all of known archaeology and biology.
choupick 3 years ago
choupick, reminds me if bible
ptica11 3 years ago
You have some good guestions. Questiion all and follow your heart. I have some for you what is time? how big is outer space? is there a begining and end of space? I emagion a big wall at the end of space. But whats on the other side? more space. You are asking questions that are ment for God not Mormons. Only if you are asking god with a humble heart can you get your answers. Its a ring of good, God=good so the same as the good. God will see you with the same eyes you see him.
BP3DP 3 years ago
Just because you resent religion doesn't mean it's not important to millions of people. Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean the BILLIONS throughout history wasted their time. Just because you don't understand how anyone could devote themselves to God, doesn't mean all the people in the world who have a personal relationship with Him are idiots or delusional. It definitely doesn't make God any less real. And just because you don't believe in the Mormon faith doesn't mean it's bunk.
alexanderama 3 years ago
alexanderama - Things I've never said:
1. I resent Mormonism.
2. Believers are idiots and/or delusional.
3. Mormonism is bunk because I don't believe it.
If you're going to criticize my position, please make sure you're ACTUALLY criticizing a position I have actually taken.
azsuperman01 3 years ago
I am criticizing your position. I've read throughout all of these comments and some of your other videos. You've continuously accused that people who believe in God have overactive imaginations, that it's all in their heads and they're not thinking for themselves. You also seem to resent when people demonstrate their beliefs in God, in this video specifically Mormons. You say it so condescendingly, how could I have mistaken your view any other way? What's sad is how wrong you are, that's all ...
alexanderama 3 years ago
Good for you, alexanderama. For az-01 to maintain his position and not admit to these things, while accusing Mormons (any Christians) of the things he does and then not accept responsibility for his statements, you're right on.
The proof is in front of you, Shawn. If you refuse to see it, literally, heaven help you. Good luck to you in your supposed 'quest' (though I do not think it is truly such). I will continue to know what I know to be true, because it HAS been proven to me. Undisputedly!
sislau 3 years ago
alexanderama - I don't resent anyone for their belief in God, please don't place words in my mouth or imagined thoughts in my head.
In this video I address specific Mormon doctrines. I don't resent anyone for following them, I'm just showing why I think the doctrines are absurd.
Please show me where in this video I state or imply that I resent Mormons.
azsuperman01 3 years ago
I came across something in the BoM today that amazingly parallels this post, almost word for word in some places. Go to scriptures . lds . org, then access BoM, then Alma, chapter 30. Start about verse 6 and go through to the end, paying close attention to the subject matter and the manner in which the discussion plays out. Note verses 13-17, 43 and 48, which honestly sound like you. I particularly like verses 34, 44-47, 52, and 60, but read the whole thing, then let me know what you think.
sislau 3 years ago
sislau - Korihor is my favorite BoM character. He speaks honestly, says he can't believe in something just because others claim it's true.
God reveals himself by making Korihor dumb. After converting he is forced to beg for food, then God lets him get trampled and killed by the Zoramites.
Verse 60 says the devil will not support his children, but when he was killed Korihor was no longer an atheist or agnostic, he was a believer. Apparently God won't support his children either.
azsuperman01 3 years ago
Korihor was never converted to Christ. He admitted that he had been tricked by Satan (verse 53) and asked for the curse to be lifted, but Alma said he knew Korihor would just keep on lying to the people, so the curse wasn't reversed.
PS - in verse 52 Korihor also admitted to ALWAYS knowing there really was a God ... God will not be mocked. Therefore, verse 60 stands.
I find it interesting that about 2,100 years later, the same arguments remain. But God is still real. His proof is everywhere.
sislau 3 years ago
sislau - I don't find it that interesting.
If you're going to invent a religion and you don't want people to think for themselves, question anything, or ask for proof of your claims. You include a skeptic in your "scripture," say the person was deceived by Satan, and include God's punishment.
That would allow you to threaten anyone who actually asks you for evidence of your religion's validity.
Then you claim victory by default, and you didn't even need to prove your story.
azsuperman01 3 years ago
How would an 'unlearned' boy of 15 coming before satellite images and general knowledge of the true shapes of the continents know of the 'narrow strip of land' along with the rivers, etc. It's too close to geography of N/S Amer to have been made up. Or the Rameumptom thing in Alma 31 where the people were declaring from their high place holy holy and all that. How on EARTH could JS have made up that word, and been right on with the Hebrew? Look it up on Wikipedia. He couldn't have made those up.
sislau 3 years ago
sislau - The outline of N/S America had been mapped long before J.S. claimed to have spoken with God. He had an 8th grade education if I remember correctly, which means he had probably seen a map at some point.
azsuperman01 3 years ago
sislau - Korihor admitted to being TRICKED by Satan. Once you admit to being tricked, that means you're NOT being tricked anymore.
(Do you continue to fall for the same prank over and over again?)
He was no longer being tricked, that means he was no longer one of the "devil's children." Yet God left him mute, made him beg for food, and allowed him to be trampled to death.
azsuperman01 3 years ago
The only prank I seem to keep falling for is in taking your baiting emails and replying back ... I maintain you will never accept God in public, because of your following, etc.
I know the scriptures to be true, ALL the ones I've read and studied (character count does not allow me to list everything).
God is real. His existence is proved daily (to believe we are here due to a cosmic accident is the ultimate in stupidity). He tries to prove His love to us. If we don't see it, it's not HIS fault!
sislau 3 years ago
sislau - As I said previously, I would convert in a moment and recant everything I have said if evidence for God's existence presented itself. I don't care how many subscribers I may offend by doing so. I don't care if you believe me or not.
(I like the way you avoided the topic and instead returned to attacking my character. That's a good fall-back when you're unable to intelligently defend your position any longer.)
azsuperman01 3 years ago
sislau , "I know the scriptures to be true.." lets see the proof
ptica11 3 years ago
mormons arent more powerful than god. Just because god doesn't do something that does not mean he CANNOT do it
Acekitaa 3 years ago
Acekitaa - If God can allow someone into Heaven without having someone else dunked underwater on their behalf... then why does he make Mormons go through useless motions?
azsuperman01 3 years ago
He can allow it but because he has rules he does not allow it simply put. Therefore it is not useless, some see it as useless because they dont believe that someone needs to be baptized to enter heaven. But maybe you can explain to me why Catholics feel it neccesary to baptize children under eight, they dont sin surely it is not neccesary then.
Acekitaa 3 years ago
Acekitaa - I'm not (nor have I ever been) Catholic, but I believe they baptize infants in order to save them from the original sin of Adam and Eve. They have a different understanding of "original sin" than Mormons.
azsuperman01 3 years ago
thats why i sai i wasnt assuming you where however using the logic you have thus far proposed you can say that is unnecessary along with things regarding baptism in general
Acekitaa 3 years ago
**i was not making the assumption you were catholic just posing a similar question
Acekitaa 3 years ago
I'd like to post a comment on this video. This is a test to see if I can. The last 3 times I've tried it hasn't work. Has Shawn gotten so bored with our little discussion that I've been blocked? Cuz I sure have more to say ...
sislau 3 years ago
Oh good. There I am ;)
I didn't change any subject. Did you know Abraham Lincoln's wife name was Mary, he was the 16th president of the US, was the first ever assassinated, and loved to play on the internet? Of course he didn't play on the internet, but as for the points that are true, they are still true. If scripture contradicts, then more scripture is needed to confirm or deny the contradiction. That's what I love about the Book of Mormon: it clarifies any mistranslations in the others.
sislau 3 years ago
sislau - LOL! And how can you prove that the translation in the BOM is the right one?
What about the places where the BOM disagrees with itself? Or with the D&C, or POGP?
azsuperman01 3 years ago
I honestly have yet to find disagreements within the BoM, etc. And I'm not some blind faith kind of person. I've looked. The Book of Mormon is absolutely true. It is literally the Word of God. It is another testament of Jesus Christ's reality and divinity. No doubts.
On that, have you ever bothered to read the entire BoM? You've claimed to study the Bible. I just wonder what other scriptures you may have thumbed through, let alone actually studied.
sislau 3 years ago
sislau - I've read the entire Bible, BoM, PoGP, D&C, a large portion of the Koran, Dianetics, along with many Hindu and Buddhist texts. How many different holy books have you read?
azsuperman01 3 years ago
sislau - You don't think the BoM contradicts other Mormon scripture? Allow me to enlighten you...
Jacob 2:24 "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord."
D&C 132:39 "David's wives and concubines were given unto him of me..."
Were David's wives an abomination to the Lord as the BoM says, or a gift from God as the D&C claims?
azsuperman01 3 years ago
LOL! Read the verses before and after: Both times David and Solomon were referred in the way that the 'official' wives, etc., were fine. It's the ones they took without authority that were the abominable.
David basically had his calling and election made sure, then pride got in the way with Uriah's wife and he lost it all (see the end of verse 39) ... Hence, Psalms! Solomon's pride also took him over and he was 'with' so many women he lost the Spirit, and with it his kingdom. It's all context.
sislau 3 years ago
sislau - Yes, D&C 132:39 claims David was justified in having all his wives but Bathsheba, however that doesn't solve the contradiction.
The book of Jacob lists NO exceptions. It says the act of having multiple wives was an abomination. It goes on to say: "there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none" in verse 27.
azsuperman01 3 years ago
sislau - You're not blocked. You probably have simply posted too many comments in too short of time, so YouTube temporarily blocked you from adding comments to any videos but your own.
I don't block people unless they become abusive.
azsuperman01 3 years ago
to unblock scroll to the bottom of the screen and enter the code
Acekitaa 3 years ago
God is Santa Claus for adults.
ColoradoMikeyS 3 years ago
PS - Heb 11:1 does say "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." It's not hope itself. It's the 'substance' of what you hope is true, with 'evidence' that is generally unseen. Once you KNOW (proving it or having the witness given to you), it's no longer 'faith'. It is called a perfect knowledge ... 1+1=2. You've proved that to yourself. You don't question it. It's elementary. You move to bigger things cuz that's something you accept already. Make sense?
sislau 3 years ago
golden taplets
ancientprotecter 3 years ago
"well, the bible disagrees with itself so I don't consider that a big deal"
I love you in a totally straight way, the way that "God" for no good reason, intended
Gibsonites 3 years ago
mormons are not more powerful than God! you need a body to be baptized! that is why they do baptisms for the dead.
dyingtosleep 3 years ago
dyingtosleep - What is accomplished by dipping someone else's body underwater that God is powerless to do in Heaven?
azsuperman01 3 years ago
well, as far as i know, there is you need a body to be baptized. like when christ was baptized by john the baptised, he wanted us to follow in his footsteps by being fully summerged in water, thus representing physical death, and coming out of the water clean and with out sin, thus representing the resurection. christ had a physical bidy on this earth, that is at least what i know about the whole baptizing stuff after death.
to be honest... ;) not ignorant. have a great day pal
dyingtosleep 3 years ago
dyingtosleep - According to your post, Christ's baptism was symbolic, "representing" physical death and resurrection.
Why does a living person need to symbolically die and be resurrected - by proxy - for someone who has already died?
Baptism-by-proxy means they are being baptized symbolically for someone else.
Now it's a symbolic act of a symbolic act... how does this make sense to you?
azsuperman01 3 years ago
well, christ's baptism was symbollic to the extent of representing death amd the resurrection etc.. but you know that.
all i am saying is that what I, and Mormons belive is that with out being baptised in the name of Jesus Christ, you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. that is why the LDS church does baptisms for the dead.
and to answer your last question,, "how does this make sence to you", to me personally, it just does. that is all i can say.
-trevor
dyingtosleep 3 years ago
dyingtosleep - That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out. WHY does someone need to be baptized in order to reach the highest degree of glory? What is accomplished by dipping someone underwater that can't be accomplished in Heaven?
When you're on baptized in this life, Mormons will tell you that baptism is an outward sign of an internal covenant. Why can't this covenant be made in the spirit realm without someone living getting dunked underwater first?
azsuperman01 3 years ago
wow... that is a good question. to be honest friend, the only answer i know for that question is that Christ was baptised and we must follow his example. i don't know if the phrase " an outward sign of an internal covenant" is true, i've never heard that before. ha umm and again what i know is, you need a body to be baptised... so sorry if im not much help...
-trevor
dyingtosleep 3 years ago
you have no body in heaven. just spirit. untill the resurection.
dyingtosleep 3 years ago
dyingtosleep - Does the act of baptism do something to the body, or the spirit? If the spirit, then why can't God do it without making someone else get dunked underwater first?
azsuperman01 3 years ago
It honestly saddens me to see how little respect you show God, Himself. Whether or not you believe in Him, to be so blatant about how you disrespect those who choose to it discouraging to your position in this posting.
sislau 3 years ago
sislau - Why should I respect a fictional character?
azsuperman01 3 years ago
Who do you mean? George Washington? Henry V? Napoleon? Erik the Red? Emperor Jimmu? I've never met any of them, but supposedly they existed. There are stories about them, though they must be made up, since I have nothing I can see today that proves their existence. Those drawings are just from someone's imagination. They're not real. Isn't that the same thing?
sislau 3 years ago