@thegoldenchild311 Good for you sir. I listen and watch the Fuelers in west-central Iowa, the skill these men and woman have keep America ready and trained in case of need. The first officer in this video says it all. Good luck in your mission.
Boeing doesn't make or have any of the parts for this fleet. Just like the B-52, it was designed to last only a certain number of hours and tehn be replaced. Boeing engineers shudder whenever they hear another B-52 is taking off. That beast has lived longer than ANY other airplane was ever designed to or dreamed of.
I got to ride on Stratotanker during a training exercise, its old but far from fragile. they did several emergency dives and rises and pullaways that stent me to to ceiling and forced me in my seat and threw me across the fuselage. idk what that pilot what was thinking.. our pilot loved it! I consider it nothing less than a great honor to have been on a piece of engineering so great its still worth using today!
@SicSkatez you are so stupid amercian man...you dont know shit about planes and flying. whole thing about planes are what is in plane now hot its look. avionic and proper use is more important than fancy design. it is not a car.
@SicSkatez I don't live in the US, but you realise that your country already has debts because of it's army, so you want your country to buy new 100 million dollars planes?
well... most of the 135s i work on simply falling apart. it might only be 35000 hours on the airframe but its 35000 hard hours. you cant argue that because military acft are put through the harshest conditions and speeds on a daily basis. and if the 135s i work on dont fly EVERY day its because they are broke and maintainers work around the clock to fix them rather than swapping acft. thats the difference than the civilian world. we need a new tanker asap before things start goin wrong....
as a maintainer on the KC-135, it is definately time to get a new fleet... The work that it takes to keep these things flying EVERYDAY is astronomical, most of them are over 50+ years old now... We have things breaking and cracking that we have never experienced before... All we can do now is fight a losing battle with an aging fleet to keep them in the air... Thats why every maintainer in the USAF that works these jets are becoming irritated with the DOD not awarding a new tanker contract yet..
@jpcobb06 Any ideas on which plane they are finally going with? I read about some scandal involving one of the two competitors (Boeing and Grumman/Airbus).
@336kgf They still haven't awarded the contract yet... All we keep hearing is that they are close, but i don't know any details of which one they are leaning towards or anything....
@jpcobb06: as a maintainer on the KC-135, it is definately time to get a new fleet... The work that it takes to keep these things flying EVERYDAY is astronomical, most of them are over 50+ years old now...
JM: I agree that it is time to get a new tanker, but not because it costs too much to maintain the old ones. 50 years old does come into play, but airframe hours is the most important thing. How many hours does your airframe have? I saw them retiring B-52s that only had 15,000 hours.
@jpcobb06: as a maintainer on the KC-135, it is definately time to get a new fleet... The work that it takes to keep these things flying EVERYDAY is astronomical, most of them are over 50+ years old now...
JM: I saw them retiring B-52s that only had 15,000 hours. You gotta keep things in perspective. Commercial airliners are utilized 10...11 hours a day usually. EVERY day. How many hours does your tanker fly EVERY day on average? They don't fly every day, do they. See the difference?
@EpiDemic117: Aren't they going for the 777 tanker replacement? That would be AWESOME if they did!
JM: One thing the 777 has got going for it, of course, is it's size. It has a long range, it can off-load more fuel to reciever aircraft, and it has a HUGE cargo capacity at the same time. But it's size makes it hard to accomodate at existing facilities. It all depends on how much fuel they are going to need to off-load to recievers in the average mission.
@JetMechMA I guess the main problem with the 777 tanker proposal is the COST. As we all know Boeing 777's aren't cheap! They should be fine with the current KC-135 tankers they have. but a replacement in the future is necessary .
you can bomb someone like bigest pussy...americans never had balls to disembarg on Serbia or aney Yugoslavian contry...becose we would kick your american asses all the way to the new york....pussys...
@DrazaNbgd Ask the Brits or the Germans about what we did to them since we started kicking ass all over the world. You guys would really kick our asses? Please. We have better training and better technology. Save your arguments for another video. This is about mid air refueling, not world politics.
"It does a great job of what it's supposed to do" So, why spend billions of dollars to design a fucking new plane when you could spend millions in upgrades to an already existing fleet?! Or! You could simply start manufacturing the same plane from new parts with the upgrades already made! No need to spend the billions and billions of dollars it would take to design, build, and test a completely different plane, when the old one works fine! Typical DOD contractor bullshit to get money.
@cpp1 : 2 words: metal fatigue. upgrades can only go so far... while a new plane can be made more efficient, have longer legs, carry bigger payloads, etc. but yes you are correct in a some way...
@cpp1 The answer is because as the airframes get more and more hours on them they start to require lots and lots of more maintenance hours to fly them safely. Secondly, for what it would cost to create a facility and tool it to crank out new versions of the same old airframe wouldn't be cheap, and it isn't as simple as "Just make more new ones!" For what it would cost to make a new version of the old plane, it wouldn't be much more to make a total new plane in the grand scheme of things.
@cpp1 Like the pilot said, "They're not making spare parts.... It tends to cost more to maintian after a certain time and it's just cheaper to repalce them." Look at the H-53 fleet the Air Force recently mothballed or put in museums. They just got too expensive to maintain after a certain point. The B-52s in the bone yard have all been stripped of any useable parts. These will be next. You just reach a point where replacement is less expensive than maintaining.
@cpp1 Nobody is going to make "a completely different plane". B767 or A330 will be adapted for the role of the new tanker. And if you think restoring the line to "simply start manufacturing the same plane from new parts" is cheaper, especially "with the upgrades" (which sure just fall from the sky at no cost, right?), then you really ARE an idiot. Shut your trap and go back to school. Right to the 3rd grade where they teach the mysterious craft of "rythmatics".
@cpp1 Go to an airport sometime, and count how many 707s you see. Never mind, it's probably none. It's not about defense contractors. If the 707 was doing such a great job for commercial airlines, and it wasn't more profitable to replace them back in the 80's, they wouldn't have. The government is still flying them because they don't care how much of OUR money it costs, as long as it APPEARS cheaper. Commercial airlines have to actually show a profit, so they spend money where it makes a return.
Trust me, he isn't a retard because he says the aircraft is old...lol
You just don't listen. He's saying they're decades old and are extremely hard to maintain. It costs more money to maintain them because they don't make parts for the specific aircraft anymore because ITS OLD. It's just not cost effective. He's saying it would be cheaper to just buy new planes.
@oisiaa: Sure they are still flying, but the maintenance costs to keep them flying are very high.
JM: That's not true. For the Air Force to say that is deliberately misleading. It is almost always cheaper to maintain an old vehicle than to buy a new one. If they bought a 767 tanker, it would cost around $200 million dollars each. I bet they don't spend more than $2 million bucks a year maintaining each of the older planes. Air Force mechanic pay is a fraction of airline mechanic pay.
@mikemike499499 That's right Mike. DC-3s are still flying. In fact, Air Force aircraft fly very little compared to an airliner. I was lucky if my bomber flew 3 times a week. usually only about twice a week. They retired B-52D models with only 15,000 hours on their airframe. I remember a news story about an American DC-10 half it's age that ran off the runway with 88,000 hours on it. However, I still favor retiring the KC-135s. It's time to move on.
wow,, anti american comments here too, you people are pathetic. If it wernt for us youd all be speaking german, nothing wrong with germany now but you know WW2 and everything, people are so ungrateful for the past. *sigh*
the p word 1:26. It is abnoxious how they show in international news channels laid back videos about one national army about its missions across the world. We haven't asked for this power.
My Uncle parachuted into France the night before D Day and was wounded and captured by the Germans. He spent the rest of the war in a German POW camp....do you hate him ? My mother's family is from Sweden...do you hate them too? One of my neighbors is from India...another is German...another couple is German and British...one is Jewish...another is a Scot...my son in law is black. America is a nation of all the peoples of the World...you have a LOT of Hating to do!
I'm talking about how your upper classes control the economy, symbolic production in the media and the system of governments world-wide. And because you don't belong to the rich Anglosaxon White men's club, complaining about my comments is digging your own grave in America.
How do you know what club I belong to? You might be surprised. Who controls the economy in Finland? The upper classes I'll bet...the Government maybe? Then the upper classes in Government. symbolic production? what in the hell is that? Some hyper liberal notion Ill bet. Our elite controls governments world wide? LOL...feet back on the ground Mr Marxist. So you want to dig our grave? Give it a shot...but Hating the most powerful nation that ever existed is risky.
You lose when you hate pure and simple. So who is the loser here? You basically hate 300 million people that you know very little about. Do you think that you know American from the news? The movies? U Tube? I promise you that you don't. Your vile seems witless to me. Give me some reasons why you hate us if you can...but spare me the leftie philisophical hate speak....let's hear some reasoned and specific reasons.
I gave you a chance did i not? I asked you for specific reasons why you hate America and your answer was broad generalizations. I think we're better than you want to give us credit for being...not perfect, not right all the time, and maybe not as humble as we should be all the time...but we do care and we do have the World's best interests at Heart. I know that you won't feel that from me. but it is the truth. There were no democracies in the world when America was founded, now there are 200+.
I gave you a chance to debate the issues with an adult American businessman and former combat veteran. To actually talk to an American on U Tube that's not some bonehead kid spouting off...but truthfully, you're waaay too shallow to do that. I don't suffer fools gladly so I won't waste any more time with you.
whoa, hang on a second. The US is not responsible for all other democracies in the world. Youre forgetting about greek democracy from 508BC, the model parliament in 1295 etc The US did not invent representation of the people. The tynwald parliament on the isle of man is over 1000 years old FFS. Thats not even mentioning the CIA toppling democratically elected governments such as that of allende in chile, which lead to a decade of murder by the army.
I didn't say we were...I said there were no Democricies in the World when the US was founded and there weren't. I said that there are now 200 plus...true dat. I never said that the US invented representation of the people. We copied those that came before us and other countries have copied ours. Has the US done things in the past that deserve condimnation? Yep. But we have also done things that deserve praise. Tha above can be said about all the countries in the World.
@NakedLadyMudFlap republican business owners are the ones who literally hate America. They fund explosive growth in communist China with jobs outsourced from America. They vote with their money...and they invest in communism, not in America. What do you have to say about THAT?
@JetMechMA I don't like it either, but it's the truth. The manufacturing base of this great land of ours is slowly being eradicated because it is cheaper to manufacture certain things overseas and import them here. This new "global" economy sucks, but there is not a whole hell of a lot we as individuals can do about it. They should have just picked Boeing for the new contract and been done with it, instead of trying to placate the Euros. These days companies go where the money is.
@336kgf: These days companies go where the money is.
JM: So you ARE trying to argue that it is OK to stab your own country in the back. I tell you what, when the enemy comes over the fence of your base during an invasion, why don't you go where the money is, right? Why stick around the losing side? Go with the winners and join the enemy in kicking your fellow Airmen in the teeth. It seems you've already justified it in your own mind.
It's always awkward when the same jet comes back a few hours later and catches you refueling another jet. It's almost enough to shock everyone into a disaster.
This will be my job in less than a year.
December 6th 2011, Lackland AB, TX
1A301
I can't wait
thegoldenchild311 7 months ago
@thegoldenchild311 Good for you sir. I listen and watch the Fuelers in west-central Iowa, the skill these men and woman have keep America ready and trained in case of need. The first officer in this video says it all. Good luck in your mission.
otef434 7 hours ago
Boeing doesn't make or have any of the parts for this fleet. Just like the B-52, it was designed to last only a certain number of hours and tehn be replaced. Boeing engineers shudder whenever they hear another B-52 is taking off. That beast has lived longer than ANY other airplane was ever designed to or dreamed of.
4merlinn1 7 months ago
I got to ride on Stratotanker during a training exercise, its old but far from fragile. they did several emergency dives and rises and pullaways that stent me to to ceiling and forced me in my seat and threw me across the fuselage. idk what that pilot what was thinking.. our pilot loved it! I consider it nothing less than a great honor to have been on a piece of engineering so great its still worth using today!
mrfuzzles92 7 months ago
stupid advertisments
cleanyourroomable 9 months ago
ufo at 2:30
CKnightFW 9 months ago
This is a great video and really shows the plane my dad works on. Staff Sgt. US Air Force. KC-135
MrRambo9596 11 months ago
@MrRambo9596 Cool.
MRCODGeekful 11 months ago
why the fuck are we still using 1950's aircraft....let's use 2011 kind.
SicSkatez 11 months ago 8
@SicSkatez you are so stupid amercian man...you dont know shit about planes and flying. whole thing about planes are what is in plane now hot its look. avionic and proper use is more important than fancy design. it is not a car.
adlkdflsk 10 months ago
@adlkdflsk i'm not talking about fancy. i mean much more efficient with recent technology, as in totally reinvented. Not 1950's technology...
SicSkatez 10 months ago
@SicSkatez
So you can start bitching about the 'national defense spending'?
IauthenticI 4 months ago
@SicSkatez I don't live in the US, but you realise that your country already has debts because of it's army, so you want your country to buy new 100 million dollars planes?
CrainerEU 2 months ago
@CrainerEU A lot of countries owe each other not just us
SicSkatez 2 months ago
@SicSkatez They work and we can't afford new ones(according to the government)
kingtorm2 1 month ago
well... most of the 135s i work on simply falling apart. it might only be 35000 hours on the airframe but its 35000 hard hours. you cant argue that because military acft are put through the harshest conditions and speeds on a daily basis. and if the 135s i work on dont fly EVERY day its because they are broke and maintainers work around the clock to fix them rather than swapping acft. thats the difference than the civilian world. we need a new tanker asap before things start goin wrong....
5327jdo 1 year ago
as a maintainer on the KC-135, it is definately time to get a new fleet... The work that it takes to keep these things flying EVERYDAY is astronomical, most of them are over 50+ years old now... We have things breaking and cracking that we have never experienced before... All we can do now is fight a losing battle with an aging fleet to keep them in the air... Thats why every maintainer in the USAF that works these jets are becoming irritated with the DOD not awarding a new tanker contract yet..
jpcobb06 1 year ago
@jpcobb06 Any ideas on which plane they are finally going with? I read about some scandal involving one of the two competitors (Boeing and Grumman/Airbus).
336kgf 1 year ago
@336kgf They still haven't awarded the contract yet... All we keep hearing is that they are close, but i don't know any details of which one they are leaning towards or anything....
jpcobb06 1 year ago
@jpcobb06: as a maintainer on the KC-135, it is definately time to get a new fleet... The work that it takes to keep these things flying EVERYDAY is astronomical, most of them are over 50+ years old now...
JM: I agree that it is time to get a new tanker, but not because it costs too much to maintain the old ones. 50 years old does come into play, but airframe hours is the most important thing. How many hours does your airframe have? I saw them retiring B-52s that only had 15,000 hours.
JetMechMA 1 year ago
@jpcobb06: as a maintainer on the KC-135, it is definately time to get a new fleet... The work that it takes to keep these things flying EVERYDAY is astronomical, most of them are over 50+ years old now...
JM: I saw them retiring B-52s that only had 15,000 hours. You gotta keep things in perspective. Commercial airliners are utilized 10...11 hours a day usually. EVERY day. How many hours does your tanker fly EVERY day on average? They don't fly every day, do they. See the difference?
JetMechMA 1 year ago
@JetMechMA Aren't they going for the 777 tanker replacement? That would be AWESOME if they did!
EpiDemic117 1 year ago
@EpiDemic117: Aren't they going for the 777 tanker replacement? That would be AWESOME if they did!
JM: One thing the 777 has got going for it, of course, is it's size. It has a long range, it can off-load more fuel to reciever aircraft, and it has a HUGE cargo capacity at the same time. But it's size makes it hard to accomodate at existing facilities. It all depends on how much fuel they are going to need to off-load to recievers in the average mission.
JetMechMA 1 year ago
@JetMechMA I guess the main problem with the 777 tanker proposal is the COST. As we all know Boeing 777's aren't cheap! They should be fine with the current KC-135 tankers they have. but a replacement in the future is necessary .
EpiDemic117 1 year ago
you can bomb someone like bigest pussy...americans never had balls to disembarg on Serbia or aney Yugoslavian contry...becose we would kick your american asses all the way to the new york....pussys...
DrazaNbgd 1 year ago
@DrazaNbgd You're just mad 'cause we're stylin' on you yugoslav-niggers.
FlamingDoubleDs 1 year ago
@DrazaNbgd Ask the Brits or the Germans about what we did to them since we started kicking ass all over the world. You guys would really kick our asses? Please. We have better training and better technology. Save your arguments for another video. This is about mid air refueling, not world politics.
336kgf 1 year ago
"It does a great job of what it's supposed to do" So, why spend billions of dollars to design a fucking new plane when you could spend millions in upgrades to an already existing fleet?! Or! You could simply start manufacturing the same plane from new parts with the upgrades already made! No need to spend the billions and billions of dollars it would take to design, build, and test a completely different plane, when the old one works fine! Typical DOD contractor bullshit to get money.
cpp1 1 year ago 2
@cpp1 : 2 words: metal fatigue. upgrades can only go so far... while a new plane can be made more efficient, have longer legs, carry bigger payloads, etc. but yes you are correct in a some way...
pavelow36 1 year ago
@cpp1 The answer is because as the airframes get more and more hours on them they start to require lots and lots of more maintenance hours to fly them safely. Secondly, for what it would cost to create a facility and tool it to crank out new versions of the same old airframe wouldn't be cheap, and it isn't as simple as "Just make more new ones!" For what it would cost to make a new version of the old plane, it wouldn't be much more to make a total new plane in the grand scheme of things.
T51B1 9 months ago
@cpp1 Like the pilot said, "They're not making spare parts.... It tends to cost more to maintian after a certain time and it's just cheaper to repalce them." Look at the H-53 fleet the Air Force recently mothballed or put in museums. They just got too expensive to maintain after a certain point. The B-52s in the bone yard have all been stripped of any useable parts. These will be next. You just reach a point where replacement is less expensive than maintaining.
4merlinn1 7 months ago
@cpp1 Nobody is going to make "a completely different plane". B767 or A330 will be adapted for the role of the new tanker. And if you think restoring the line to "simply start manufacturing the same plane from new parts" is cheaper, especially "with the upgrades" (which sure just fall from the sky at no cost, right?), then you really ARE an idiot. Shut your trap and go back to school. Right to the 3rd grade where they teach the mysterious craft of "rythmatics".
Maloy7800 6 months ago
@cpp1 Go to an airport sometime, and count how many 707s you see. Never mind, it's probably none. It's not about defense contractors. If the 707 was doing such a great job for commercial airlines, and it wasn't more profitable to replace them back in the 80's, they wouldn't have. The government is still flying them because they don't care how much of OUR money it costs, as long as it APPEARS cheaper. Commercial airlines have to actually show a profit, so they spend money where it makes a return.
drewdane40 1 month ago
@cpp1
Because, you can't only use 1950's planes.
wolfondhizzie 4 weeks ago
jugolsavia doesn't exist any more ...
stasieczekk 1 year ago
im a girl and in afjrotc what is the airforce and basic training like?
RedNeckFloridaStyle 2 years ago
sent you an email..
frazer0121 2 years ago
Think gym class. But flying
mydunpeal 2 years ago
thats my job :D
TheEricYo 2 years ago
this LtCol is a retard. he knows nothing, these planes are old but they are still flying
mikemike499499 2 years ago
he said that in the video you fucking retard
soloist010 2 years ago
Trust me, he isn't a retard because he says the aircraft is old...lol
You just don't listen. He's saying they're decades old and are extremely hard to maintain. It costs more money to maintain them because they don't make parts for the specific aircraft anymore because ITS OLD. It's just not cost effective. He's saying it would be cheaper to just buy new planes.
How is he stupid for saying something smart?
mhmmpoopy 2 years ago
Sure they are still flying, but the maintenance costs to keep them flying are very high.
oisiaa 2 years ago
@oisiaa: Sure they are still flying, but the maintenance costs to keep them flying are very high.
JM: That's not true. For the Air Force to say that is deliberately misleading. It is almost always cheaper to maintain an old vehicle than to buy a new one. If they bought a 767 tanker, it would cost around $200 million dollars each. I bet they don't spend more than $2 million bucks a year maintaining each of the older planes. Air Force mechanic pay is a fraction of airline mechanic pay.
JetMechMA 1 year ago
@mikemike499499 That's right Mike. DC-3s are still flying. In fact, Air Force aircraft fly very little compared to an airliner. I was lucky if my bomber flew 3 times a week. usually only about twice a week. They retired B-52D models with only 15,000 hours on their airframe. I remember a news story about an American DC-10 half it's age that ran off the runway with 88,000 hours on it. However, I still favor retiring the KC-135s. It's time to move on.
JetMechMA 1 year ago 2
wow,, anti american comments here too, you people are pathetic. If it wernt for us youd all be speaking german, nothing wrong with germany now but you know WW2 and everything, people are so ungrateful for the past. *sigh*
KaiKuro 2 years ago
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KaiKuro 2 years ago
I love propaganda it is very entertaining.
putittogether 2 years ago
In that case you shoud "finish" watching an american video at an american website and go back to Nokia land...
grabac9 2 years ago
I'm Finnish and I don't want to see biased videos about the power of the USA on the press.
teemuruskeepaa 2 years ago
i haven't seen any, myself!
arequipa1 2 years ago
the p word 1:26. It is abnoxious how they show in international news channels laid back videos about one national army about its missions across the world. We haven't asked for this power.
teemuruskeepaa 2 years ago
Shut the FUCK UP!
NoCussingClub 2 years ago
No, submit to me!
teemuruskeepaa 2 years ago
Then don't watch things you don't like,,,very simple.
NakedLadyMudFlap 2 years ago
No, what would give AP and you the power to preach about your power without challenge. I'm going to shut your ass down.
teemuruskeepaa 2 years ago
My Uncle parachuted into France the night before D Day and was wounded and captured by the Germans. He spent the rest of the war in a German POW camp....do you hate him ? My mother's family is from Sweden...do you hate them too? One of my neighbors is from India...another is German...another couple is German and British...one is Jewish...another is a Scot...my son in law is black. America is a nation of all the peoples of the World...you have a LOT of Hating to do!
NakedLadyMudFlap 2 years ago
I'm talking about how your upper classes control the economy, symbolic production in the media and the system of governments world-wide. And because you don't belong to the rich Anglosaxon White men's club, complaining about my comments is digging your own grave in America.
teemuruskeepaa 2 years ago
How do you know what club I belong to? You might be surprised. Who controls the economy in Finland? The upper classes I'll bet...the Government maybe? Then the upper classes in Government. symbolic production? what in the hell is that? Some hyper liberal notion Ill bet. Our elite controls governments world wide? LOL...feet back on the ground Mr Marxist. So you want to dig our grave? Give it a shot...but Hating the most powerful nation that ever existed is risky.
NakedLadyMudFlap 2 years ago
Hate or love doesn't have anything to do with decision making, where you lose.
teemuruskeepaa 2 years ago
You lose when you hate pure and simple. So who is the loser here? You basically hate 300 million people that you know very little about. Do you think that you know American from the news? The movies? U Tube? I promise you that you don't. Your vile seems witless to me. Give me some reasons why you hate us if you can...but spare me the leftie philisophical hate speak....let's hear some reasoned and specific reasons.
NakedLadyMudFlap 2 years ago
No, you lose when you fail to see intentions in you administration and only think about your feelings.
teemuruskeepaa 2 years ago
What intentions?
NakedLadyMudFlap 2 years ago
Anything you have no say over.
teemuruskeepaa 2 years ago
I get it...you're an inch deep. End of conversation.
NakedLadyMudFlap 2 years ago
I think you are trying to make me feel bad to escape the conversation.
teemuruskeepaa 2 years ago
I gave you a chance did i not? I asked you for specific reasons why you hate America and your answer was broad generalizations. I think we're better than you want to give us credit for being...not perfect, not right all the time, and maybe not as humble as we should be all the time...but we do care and we do have the World's best interests at Heart. I know that you won't feel that from me. but it is the truth. There were no democracies in the world when America was founded, now there are 200+.
NakedLadyMudFlap 2 years ago
You gave me a chance? I don't need your fucking chances. Stop being a tyrant and oppressing other people.
teemuruskeepaa 2 years ago
I gave you a chance to debate the issues with an adult American businessman and former combat veteran. To actually talk to an American on U Tube that's not some bonehead kid spouting off...but truthfully, you're waaay too shallow to do that. I don't suffer fools gladly so I won't waste any more time with you.
NakedLadyMudFlap 2 years ago
You can't say your culture is good. You're a tyrant and show everybody what's wrong with it.
teemuruskeepaa 2 years ago
whoa, hang on a second. The US is not responsible for all other democracies in the world. Youre forgetting about greek democracy from 508BC, the model parliament in 1295 etc The US did not invent representation of the people. The tynwald parliament on the isle of man is over 1000 years old FFS. Thats not even mentioning the CIA toppling democratically elected governments such as that of allende in chile, which lead to a decade of murder by the army.
if you want his reasons look in the mirror.
povmcdov 2 years ago
I didn't say we were...I said there were no Democricies in the World when the US was founded and there weren't. I said that there are now 200 plus...true dat. I never said that the US invented representation of the people. We copied those that came before us and other countries have copied ours. Has the US done things in the past that deserve condimnation? Yep. But we have also done things that deserve praise. Tha above can be said about all the countries in the World.
NakedLadyMudFlap 2 years ago
@NakedLadyMudFlap republican business owners are the ones who literally hate America. They fund explosive growth in communist China with jobs outsourced from America. They vote with their money...and they invest in communism, not in America. What do you have to say about THAT?
JetMechMA 1 year ago
@JetMechMA I say you're a Moron.
NakedLadyMudFlap 1 year ago
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@NakedLadyMudFlap: JetMechMA I say you're a Moron.
JM: Why?
JetMechMA 1 year ago
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336kgf 1 year ago
@336kgf: If you were a business owner and you had the chance to make major coin ...
JM: ....by stabbing my country in the back? Are you actually attempting to make that argument?
JetMechMA 1 year ago
@JetMechMA I don't like it either, but it's the truth. The manufacturing base of this great land of ours is slowly being eradicated because it is cheaper to manufacture certain things overseas and import them here. This new "global" economy sucks, but there is not a whole hell of a lot we as individuals can do about it. They should have just picked Boeing for the new contract and been done with it, instead of trying to placate the Euros. These days companies go where the money is.
336kgf 1 year ago
@336kgf: These days companies go where the money is.
JM: So you ARE trying to argue that it is OK to stab your own country in the back. I tell you what, when the enemy comes over the fence of your base during an invasion, why don't you go where the money is, right? Why stick around the losing side? Go with the winners and join the enemy in kicking your fellow Airmen in the teeth. It seems you've already justified it in your own mind.
JetMechMA 1 year ago
Fly American Airlines they are now boycotted by muslims
Gina2NYC 2 years ago
It's always awkward when the same jet comes back a few hours later and catches you refueling another jet. It's almost enough to shock everyone into a disaster.
BinkieMcFartnuggets 2 years ago
hehehe nice 1 :P
UpperCanada1812 2 years ago
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first viewer hehehe
handsomejfp 2 years ago