I think Susan Harney was a very convincing Alice. The best and only Rachel I knew was and is Victoria Wyndham. I do remember Robin Strasser from OLTL and also for a while on AMC...
The actress who played Alice Matthews Frame when Susan Harney departed was Wesley Ann Pfenning who only lasted 5 months. I liked Susan Harney and I liked Vana Tribbey as Alice, though she only lasted 7 months. Too bad Vana's replacement, Linda Borgeson was so wooden.
we will all miss Jacqueline Courtney so much.. i did't get to meet her, but i got to see her things and her photos,then i was at her moms home, to box up, Jacqueline Courtney. things and put in the truck to drive back to michigan ..she pass a way in my sis sue arms 12-20-10 from cancer.. i made a little video of me at her moms home.
from what my sis sue say to me her few last days was really hard on her ,she was a very beautiful woman, she die in my sis sue arms, it was weeks later then i got there what i have seen in her photo ! as i was boxing them up, i was not there then she pass a way going thro all the photos was hard on her,
@FORMATERMAN Was your sister a friend or nurse to her? I hope her daughter was there too, the one Jacquie had with Carl Desiderio., she must be about 40 now.......Jennifer I believe.
I had completely forgotten about this story line that had Alice engaged to her cousin Susan's soon-to-be ex, Dan Shearer. Another idiotic pairing, which was after Alice's failed marriage to Ray Gordon, and that followed the mess with Willis Frame. Seems like the writers never wanted Alice to ever have a chance actually being happy with someone...
Susan Harney left AW very shortly after this.. If anyone remembers, the actress who replaced her was a brunette. How they ever hired the woman is beyond me as she looked nothing like Alice or even acted like her. .Needless to say, she did not last very long. Susan Harney did a great job replacing J Courtney . She played the role for 4 years..
This scene cracks me up, what with Dan's refusal to ever actually kiss her on the mouth, Alice constantly zoning out, and that weird intro where she seemed to be sucking her thumb.
@ponder3ful susan harney did alice 4 four yrs... jacquie was a terrible actress. loved howed she came back late 80sss. she finally graduated as an actress
@denzo30 O K maybe that was too harsh. After all it wasn't her fault Jacquie got fired.as a replacement she was the best of them.But Jacquie was a wonderful actress to me always but yeah there was a noticeabe difference in her acting in the 80's
It would be nice if they made a you tube channel and just uploaded them all on there. Then we can watch them when ever we wanted and not have to search all over for AW..
VW has a limited range, check out her 'brilliant' (Not) portrayal of those dual roles. Even Soap Opera Digest and other Daytime TV critics had to refer to it as the 'worst' and 'thumbs down' in their columns.
@dw1958 .......Oh please, what's either of those things have to do with anything? The Daytime Emmys mean nothing. They finally gave one to Susan Lucci out of pity and she's is and always has been the worst actress on any soap ever. Victoria Wyndham was an incredible actress and a class act. Not winning an emmy or deciding to leave TV behind her cannot take away what she left us.
I personally liked Susan Harney as Alice. I thought and still do think after seeing scenes like this one that she was a very good actress. I enjoyed her Alice much more than Jacquilene Courtneys. I will say however, I really did enjoy when Jacqueline returned in the 80s. She had grown alot over the years as an actress. I think losing her job made her work harder. Or maybe just maturity made her better.
This is the second actress who played Alice. Have to say, she did a great job. for over 4 yrs she played ALice. They really screwed things up cuz ALice was played by 4 diff actresses and they made her into a diff person each time
It' a shame what happened to Jacqueline Courtney she was the best Alice! Superstar! I can't believe that Harding Lemay has such a horrible attitude of her. His primary function on the show was to be a writer not critique her acting. That's the directors job. If Mr. Lemay felt that George and Jacquie were acting like nothing more than Divas and commenting other actors performances and having bad behavior backstage. It was the executive producer Paul Rauch's. And we all know the great job he did
Olive went from a rank bitter schemer into a full-blown violent looney tune, kind of like the villainesses in neighboring Somerset or THE EDGE OF NIGHT's Monticello.
The reason why NBC expanded "AW" to 90 minutes daily was to have the show start a half hour before the blockbuster "General Hospital" and to try and keep viewers from watching Luke and Laura. It didn't work. Ratings for "AW" sank and Harding Lemay quit as headwriter. "AW" was never the same.
Another World was in its heyday during this. Susan Harney did a great job replacing Jackie Courntney. The actress who replaced Harney only lasted a few months and she wasn't blonde. She was a brunette. What was LeMay thinking?
Nowadays, on all the basic networks 1-hour soaps are about 37 minutes without commercials. I wonder 30 years ago there was a lot during the soaps. Was a 90-minute soap worth watching?
Man, the scenes ran way longer on this show than I've ever seen on any current soap. And 90 minute episodes?!? What, did people have longer attention spans back then or something?
Another World was the first and only soap to experiment with a 90-minute format. (NBC daytime programmers were desperate for something to fill up the airtime, so they thought they'd see if people would actually sit and watch a program for an hour and a half.)
Wasn't another reason for the increased half hour due to the fact that they were introducing "Texas" which is a spin-off of Another World? I had just started watching AW with my mother and grandmother about a year before they went to 90 minutes. Used to rush home from school to watch it everyday. I was only about 9 years old.
Remember, that's why they call them "actors". It's true that a role is typically identified with one individual, and many times they're tough to replace. But there are many fine example of 2nd or 3rd replacements (Irene Dailey as Liz, for example, after the the wonderful Audra Lindley).
Vana Tribbey is the only actress to play Alice that had any appeal to me (besides the fabulous Jacquie). Unfortunately, the writing was poor during Tribbey's brief tenure.
It was a shame for Susan Harney that she was stepping into a role so identified with Jacquie Courtney. In spite of this, she looks like she did a very good job. Where is she now?
As far as I'm concerned Jaqueline Courtney was a brillant actress who could show her emotions unlike many other actresses. I don't think Harding Lemay liked the actors that he wrote for.
I agree about poor Susan Harney. I loved Jacqueline Courtney.There was only one Alice. Just as there was only one Rachel - Robin Strasser. If you never saw robin as Rachel you really missed something special.
I couldn't disagree MORE. The ONLY Rachel that will ever be remember for Another World is Victoria Wyndham. Sorry, Miss Strasser can't hold a candle to her.
@michael19403 ..............You're right, she holds an entire candleabra to Ms Wyndham, and she holds her Emmy! Ms. Wyndham hasn't worked since AW went off the air either.
@dtw1958 ..@dw1958 .......Oh please, what's either of those things have to do with anything? The Daytime Emmys mean nothing. They finally gave one to Susan Lucci out of pity and she's is and always has been the worst actress on any soap ever. Victoria Wyndham was an incredible actress and a class act. Not winning an emmy or deciding to leave TV behind her cannot take away what she left us.
@michael19403 ... I saw the original AW with susan strasser and she was excellent as Rachel. When Victoria took over the role it took much adjustment. Eventually she grew on the audience, but Robin Strasser was the perfect insecure spoiled spiteful ambitious jealous lying personality!
@michael19403 Funny how we all our favorites. I first started AW at the height of the Alice-Steve- Rachel triangle, 69, and it was fun to hate Rachel, and pity poor Alice, and swoon over Steve. I'm just glad the three original actors got to portray them for the early years.
@michael19403 The characters became completely different according to Harding Lemays (book), and Robin wasn't going to be right with the plans he had for his version of Rachel. Probably best she moved to Hollywood with her husband then, he probably would've wanted her to go. Robin was a better villaness in my eyes, hard for me to accept Victoria and her big smile in that role. Just two very different actresses.....
Virginia Dwyer was fired because she wouldn't memorize her lines exactly as written, not because she couldn't! She and headwriter Harding Lemay disliked each other and he got rid of her as soon as he could (it took him 4 years of complaining about her). Her last episode was also George Reinholt's last but the audience didn't know. Mary Matthews died of a heart attack on Good Friday, 1975. Steve Frame left for Australia that same day. Several weeks later he was killed in a helicopter crash.
They sure did! Headwriter Harding Lemay didn't like her acting. He seemed to think she was too emotional. Executive Producer fired her when she objected to the direction her character was taking. Her last episode aired on July 25, 1975 and Harney first appeared one month later on August 25th.
The term Lemay used regarding Courtney was "too soap-operatic," and he really wanted to work with actors trained in the New York stage (like Douglass Watson and Anne Meacham). He also didn't like Reinholt's behavior and unpredictability regarding turning out scenes (he could turn out a spectacular performance one episode and a bad one the next).
As far as Mary Matthews was concerned, Lemay wrote a lot of monologues for her and the actress was getting up there in years, and increasingly became unable to memorize all the lines written for her.
Harding also didn't like Steve Frame or Mary Matthews. He killed off both characters in 1975. But Steve (George Reinholt) and Alice (Jacquie Courtney) quickly both got jobs on ABC's One Life to Live.
I remember that show, it went off the air 10 years or so ago didn't it ? I also remember there was talk between ABC and Procter & Gamble to possibly buy/pick up AW when it was cancelled by NBC in 1999.
I think Susan Harney was a very convincing Alice. The best and only Rachel I knew was and is Victoria Wyndham. I do remember Robin Strasser from OLTL and also for a while on AMC...
EuroTom1 5 months ago
Michael Robin Strasser was MAGNIFICENT as Rachel.
dwj20101 10 months ago
this was also one of susan harne yslasts scenes. in april wesly ann pfenning took over the rolw. a complete different alice
denzo30 10 months ago
I was born 2 months after this aired!! awwww lol
buffycharmedangel102 11 months ago
The actress who played Alice Matthews Frame when Susan Harney departed was Wesley Ann Pfenning who only lasted 5 months. I liked Susan Harney and I liked Vana Tribbey as Alice, though she only lasted 7 months. Too bad Vana's replacement, Linda Borgeson was so wooden.
Mike4AW 11 months ago
we will all miss Jacqueline Courtney so much.. i did't get to meet her, but i got to see her things and her photos,then i was at her moms home, to box up, Jacqueline Courtney. things and put in the truck to drive back to michigan ..she pass a way in my sis sue arms 12-20-10 from cancer.. i made a little video of me at her moms home.
Michael Albach
love always
FORMATERMAN 1 year ago
@FORMATERMAN wow her Mom outlived her, must have been difficult for her. That damn milenoma, hope she didnt suffer too long...
dtw1958 3 months ago
@dtw1958
from what my sis sue say to me her few last days was really hard on her ,she was a very beautiful woman, she die in my sis sue arms, it was weeks later then i got there what i have seen in her photo ! as i was boxing them up, i was not there then she pass a way going thro all the photos was hard on her,
Mikey
FORMATERMAN 3 months ago
@FORMATERMAN Was your sister a friend or nurse to her? I hope her daughter was there too, the one Jacquie had with Carl Desiderio., she must be about 40 now.......Jennifer I believe.
dtw1958 3 months ago
@dtw1958
she was a friend of hers and jennifter was at work then her mom pass a way before she got back home
Mikey
FORMATERMAN 3 months ago
I had completely forgotten about this story line that had Alice engaged to her cousin Susan's soon-to-be ex, Dan Shearer. Another idiotic pairing, which was after Alice's failed marriage to Ray Gordon, and that followed the mess with Willis Frame. Seems like the writers never wanted Alice to ever have a chance actually being happy with someone...
wyattphx 1 year ago
Susan Harney left AW very shortly after this.. If anyone remembers, the actress who replaced her was a brunette. How they ever hired the woman is beyond me as she looked nothing like Alice or even acted like her. .Needless to say, she did not last very long. Susan Harney did a great job replacing J Courtney . She played the role for 4 years..
denzo30 1 year ago
This scene cracks me up, what with Dan's refusal to ever actually kiss her on the mouth, Alice constantly zoning out, and that weird intro where she seemed to be sucking her thumb.
Was this after Lemay?
CarlD2 1 year ago
I have the last 2 months of AW on DVD. Msg me if interested in trading
vote4llama2 1 year ago
Susan Harney get out of Jacquie's house!!!!
ponder3ful 1 year ago
@ponder3ful susan harney did alice 4 four yrs... jacquie was a terrible actress. loved howed she came back late 80sss. she finally graduated as an actress
denzo30 1 year ago
@denzo30 O K maybe that was too harsh. After all it wasn't her fault Jacquie got fired.as a replacement she was the best of them.But Jacquie was a wonderful actress to me always but yeah there was a noticeabe difference in her acting in the 80's
ponder3ful 10 months ago
It would be nice if they made a you tube channel and just uploaded them all on there. Then we can watch them when ever we wanted and not have to search all over for AW..
scrippler 1 year ago
VW has a limited range, check out her 'brilliant' (Not) portrayal of those dual roles. Even Soap Opera Digest and other Daytime TV critics had to refer to it as the 'worst' and 'thumbs down' in their columns.
dtw1958 1 year ago
@dw1958 .......Oh please, what's either of those things have to do with anything? The Daytime Emmys mean nothing. They finally gave one to Susan Lucci out of pity and she's is and always has been the worst actress on any soap ever. Victoria Wyndham was an incredible actress and a class act. Not winning an emmy or deciding to leave TV behind her cannot take away what she left us.
michael19403 1 year ago
In This Clip, From 0:00 To 0:10, It Was "Another World" Video Open From March 19, 1979
radiodj1520 1 year ago
this wa only the real alice after jacqui
denzo30 1 year ago
I personally liked Susan Harney as Alice. I thought and still do think after seeing scenes like this one that she was a very good actress. I enjoyed her Alice much more than Jacquilene Courtneys. I will say however, I really did enjoy when Jacqueline returned in the 80s. She had grown alot over the years as an actress. I think losing her job made her work harder. Or maybe just maturity made her better.
marknsprmo 1 year ago
Love this scene. So authentic
calalilygirl 1 year ago
Texas was supposed to save AW. The soap was a dump
denzo30 2 years ago
who is the actess I can't place the face
marieds185 2 years ago
This is the second actress who played Alice. Have to say, she did a great job. for over 4 yrs she played ALice. They really screwed things up cuz ALice was played by 4 diff actresses and they made her into a diff person each time
denzo30 2 years ago
how can I request this show to be on dvd or blue ray
marieds185 2 years ago
It' a shame what happened to Jacqueline Courtney she was the best Alice! Superstar! I can't believe that Harding Lemay has such a horrible attitude of her. His primary function on the show was to be a writer not critique her acting. That's the directors job. If Mr. Lemay felt that George and Jacquie were acting like nothing more than Divas and commenting other actors performances and having bad behavior backstage. It was the executive producer Paul Rauch's. And we all know the great job he did
Jornmr1 2 years ago
My mom probably forced me to have a nap so she could watch this in peace.
QueenComment 2 years ago
Olive went from a rank bitter schemer into a full-blown violent looney tune, kind of like the villainesses in neighboring Somerset or THE EDGE OF NIGHT's Monticello.
AvengerOnEuclid 2 years ago
The reason why NBC expanded "AW" to 90 minutes daily was to have the show start a half hour before the blockbuster "General Hospital" and to try and keep viewers from watching Luke and Laura. It didn't work. Ratings for "AW" sank and Harding Lemay quit as headwriter. "AW" was never the same.
Joanfan29 2 years ago
Another World was in its heyday during this. Susan Harney did a great job replacing Jackie Courntney. The actress who replaced Harney only lasted a few months and she wasn't blonde. She was a brunette. What was LeMay thinking?
DAVEJJR 2 years ago
Nowadays, on all the basic networks 1-hour soaps are about 37 minutes without commercials. I wonder 30 years ago there was a lot during the soaps. Was a 90-minute soap worth watching?
novelist88 2 years ago
Man, the scenes ran way longer on this show than I've ever seen on any current soap. And 90 minute episodes?!? What, did people have longer attention spans back then or something?
bldali 3 years ago
Another World was the first and only soap to experiment with a 90-minute format. (NBC daytime programmers were desperate for something to fill up the airtime, so they thought they'd see if people would actually sit and watch a program for an hour and a half.)
The experiment ended after about a year.
btm85bubs 3 years ago 2
Wasn't another reason for the increased half hour due to the fact that they were introducing "Texas" which is a spin-off of Another World? I had just started watching AW with my mother and grandmother about a year before they went to 90 minutes. Used to rush home from school to watch it everyday. I was only about 9 years old.
Dar0922 2 years ago
Remember, that's why they call them "actors". It's true that a role is typically identified with one individual, and many times they're tough to replace. But there are many fine example of 2nd or 3rd replacements (Irene Dailey as Liz, for example, after the the wonderful Audra Lindley).
wyattphx 3 years ago
That was Alice?? I don't remember this at all... though I recognize Dan. Dan has a difinite Montgomery Cliff sound to his voice, I think.
marmas58ink 3 years ago
Can you post one of the 90 minute episodes?
novelist88 3 years ago 2
Vana Tribbey is the only actress to play Alice that had any appeal to me (besides the fabulous Jacquie). Unfortunately, the writing was poor during Tribbey's brief tenure.
LOLOLUTHER 4 years ago
This was a few weeks after the show moved to 90 mins
EricMontreal22 4 years ago 2
I remember Jacquie as Pat Kendall on OLTL.
adelgado75 4 years ago 2
It was a shame for Susan Harney that she was stepping into a role so identified with Jacquie Courtney. In spite of this, she looks like she did a very good job. Where is she now?
BusterandBillie 4 years ago 3
As far as I'm concerned Jaqueline Courtney was a brillant actress who could show her emotions unlike many other actresses. I don't think Harding Lemay liked the actors that he wrote for.
rickram1961 4 years ago 2
i wish soapnet would have played the early years. Thanks for sharing this =) I never would have seen it otherwise
jessianjel 4 years ago
I'm told the late 70s/mid-80s eps have fallen victim to tape deterioration. :-(
WhatsAYak 4 years ago 3
i wish all 8891 episdes were available for rerun
travis082185 4 years ago 9
@travis082185 I bet someday they will be.
calalilygirl 1 year ago
I was watching episodes from 1979 and 1980 on AOL TV -- full episodes for free; Im not sure if they're still available but they were as of last year.
bldali 2 years ago
I agree about poor Susan Harney. I loved Jacqueline Courtney.There was only one Alice. Just as there was only one Rachel - Robin Strasser. If you never saw robin as Rachel you really missed something special.
Anyone know where Jacqueline Courtney is today?
TheAfricaChannel 4 years ago 2
I couldn't disagree MORE. The ONLY Rachel that will ever be remember for Another World is Victoria Wyndham. Sorry, Miss Strasser can't hold a candle to her.
michael19403 4 years ago 10
@michael19403 ..............You're right, she holds an entire candleabra to Ms Wyndham, and she holds her Emmy! Ms. Wyndham hasn't worked since AW went off the air either.
dtw1958 1 year ago
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@dtw1958 ..@dw1958 .......Oh please, what's either of those things have to do with anything? The Daytime Emmys mean nothing. They finally gave one to Susan Lucci out of pity and she's is and always has been the worst actress on any soap ever. Victoria Wyndham was an incredible actress and a class act. Not winning an emmy or deciding to leave TV behind her cannot take away what she left us.
michael19403 1 year ago
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michael19403 1 year ago
@michael19403 ... I saw the original AW with susan strasser and she was excellent as Rachel. When Victoria took over the role it took much adjustment. Eventually she grew on the audience, but Robin Strasser was the perfect insecure spoiled spiteful ambitious jealous lying personality!
sassysizzle 1 year ago
@michael19403 Funny how we all our favorites. I first started AW at the height of the Alice-Steve- Rachel triangle, 69, and it was fun to hate Rachel, and pity poor Alice, and swoon over Steve. I'm just glad the three original actors got to portray them for the early years.
dtw1958 10 months ago
@michael19403 but she's fabulous as Dorian on OLTL. No one can hold a candle to her there either.
entertainme3000 7 months ago
@michael19403 The characters became completely different according to Harding Lemays (book), and Robin wasn't going to be right with the plans he had for his version of Rachel. Probably best she moved to Hollywood with her husband then, he probably would've wanted her to go. Robin was a better villaness in my eyes, hard for me to accept Victoria and her big smile in that role. Just two very different actresses.....
dtw1958 3 months ago
@michael19403 Correct Michael.............I can hold a Candelabra to her!
RachelDavisMatthews 1 month ago
Virginia Dwyer was fired because she wouldn't memorize her lines exactly as written, not because she couldn't! She and headwriter Harding Lemay disliked each other and he got rid of her as soon as he could (it took him 4 years of complaining about her). Her last episode was also George Reinholt's last but the audience didn't know. Mary Matthews died of a heart attack on Good Friday, 1975. Steve Frame left for Australia that same day. Several weeks later he was killed in a helicopter crash.
877dqsjq33 5 years ago
They sure did! Headwriter Harding Lemay didn't like her acting. He seemed to think she was too emotional. Executive Producer fired her when she objected to the direction her character was taking. Her last episode aired on July 25, 1975 and Harney first appeared one month later on August 25th.
877dqsjq33 5 years ago
The term Lemay used regarding Courtney was "too soap-operatic," and he really wanted to work with actors trained in the New York stage (like Douglass Watson and Anne Meacham). He also didn't like Reinholt's behavior and unpredictability regarding turning out scenes (he could turn out a spectacular performance one episode and a bad one the next).
thirtymphs 5 years ago
As far as Mary Matthews was concerned, Lemay wrote a lot of monologues for her and the actress was getting up there in years, and increasingly became unable to memorize all the lines written for her.
thirtymphs 5 years ago
Poor Susan Harney. She couldn't hold a candle to Jacqueline Courtney's star power as Alice. AW made a huge mistake in firing Courtney.
877dqsjq33 5 years ago 2
they fired jackie courtney ? why ?
tallderektoronto 5 years ago
Harding also didn't like Steve Frame or Mary Matthews. He killed off both characters in 1975. But Steve (George Reinholt) and Alice (Jacquie Courtney) quickly both got jobs on ABC's One Life to Live.
AdidasRob 5 years ago 2
I remember that show, it went off the air 10 years or so ago didn't it ? I also remember there was talk between ABC and Procter & Gamble to possibly buy/pick up AW when it was cancelled by NBC in 1999.
tallderektoronto 5 years ago