Milspecmonkey.com Shotshow 2007 Magpul Industries

[MACER545]

How long is the gun overall in inches?

[k3nnyrul3s]

@SEALBound it's because the hand guard looks like the g-36's

[lebnen143]

best i ever seen period amazing weapon amazing

[patsfanczar]

The ACR (final Masada version) has the charging handle just stick out on both sides (true ambi, no need for a strip to change it) and its moved forward.

[giannacopulos95]

fantastic, that's the dream of every man ♥♥♥

[RangerToro]

The Masada (ACR) actually has a 10.5 in, 14.5 in, 16.5 in, and 18.5 in barrels. So it can go shorter or longer than a M4/HK416. Also come in 4 calibers, 5.56, 7.62, 6.8, and 6.5. Its a very modular/ adaptive weapons system, thus the name ACR (adaptive combat rifle)

[Ecthelion008]

Only negative on this gun is that it's longer than a M4 or HK416 with the same 14.5 in barrel. But it's much lighter so...

[Navyp250]

Not when you fold the stock on the Masada. Then the Masada is shorter and lighter than the M4 and H&K 416.

[T850CSM101a1676]

I hope those are easy to convert.

I really don't care about 922(o), I am not answerable to the state. They can catch me after all the legislaters are dead!

Freedom for all!!!!!

[turkeylips17]

i think this thing looks like a amalgamation of the m16, xm8/G36, and FNH SCAR.

[pcgentile]

from what I saw on the discovery channel this weapon seems a damned sight easier to modify/maintain than the FN SCAR series.

[Funkgab]

xxGarcesxx if magpul gets sued, so will HK for stealing the design of the AR180 for their G36. Why get sued? They made thier own gas piston system.

[turikum7]

nice carbine, im waiting 2 buy 1, amazing...

[bordersoldier]

its bushmasters now , i hope they dont fuck it up

[pbs357]

Interesting. It can fire with the stock folded? That would be a great sell to specialty markets like dignitary protection, armed bodyguard, Blackwater types etc. As for military usage, I'm wondering how much heat the poly material can handle. Just 90 rounds at the range heats up my AR pretty well. Great features/options though for sure.

[Tehwaffet]

With is being a piston system, the heat is on the forward end and the places surrounding the piston and barrel are aluminum, with the inside being a steel so the bolt carrier does not ware it down.

[jtat12]

It would be totally useless for the U.S. Military to adopt a new assault rifle that fires a 5.56mm. If they are going to adopt a new gun they might as well address the problems with the knock down power of the 5.56mm and go with a larger or higher velocity round. That said i do realize that this gun can be chambered to fire the 6.8 spec or 7.62 x 39 mm. The latter bein the round that the ak 47 fires.

[nominalvelocity]

Looks like they're trying to target the special forces market with this weapon; that is, being lighter (plastic), shorter than the M4 (folding butt), while still retaining M16/M4 parts interchangeability. Sure, it's never going to be a standard issue weapon for the troops, but it looks like an attractive assault rifle for special forces and SWAT use.

[cooks2006]

That is the silliest thing I have ever heard.

"World Court"? Exactly WHERE is this located?

[JamaicaGR10]

The WORLD, obviously. haha.

[bordersoldier]

whats the release date

[Ubernoob88]

Bushmaster came to an agreement with Magpul to sell the Masada as the Bushmaster ACR, they (Bushamster) say 2nd quarter of 2008.

[amexbassist]

Already been. It was made available at the beginning of the first business quarter of this year. It is around 1,400USD. Pretty sweet.

[dvospeed1]

i would like to see how it would hold up in an extreme dust test like the army did with M4, SCAR, 416, and XM8

[ChronoLegionX]

Well, the barrel is free floated and there appears to be free space between working parts, so I'm guessing it will hold up well. Remember, there is no gun out there (besides perhaps the AK47) that doesn't need routine cleaning.

[nextgenerationwarrio]

Totally cool ,I would really like one

[blackritchie8]

it's very similar to the fn scar..but nice

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[covert116]

i'm buying one as soon as i can!!!!!!!

[NIKON777]

good luck, i bet itll be about a year before u can get one.

[escottyh1]

Interesting weapon. Why does it take small companies like Magpul and Robinson to come up with new state of the art designs while Colt keeps recylcing the same old shit? New package same smell! I agree with OEFinfedel that the army would never touch it, not unless Colt or H&k bought the design which won't happen. On another note......

What does Masada mean? Sounds very "Arabish" which I know doesn't matter and I'm probably wrong, Just look how well Obama's doing.

[OptimusSublyme]

Masada is the name of a battle between the Romans and the Jews in 72AD.

[avatar941]

thats right, it was built to be a last effort stronghold (maybe by Herod the Great) and in 72 the Romans laid siege to it wherein they had to build this enormous ramp to get onto the plateau that its built on and finally take it. The story goes that as the Romans got close, the inhabitants partied to be defiant, and when the Romans finally got through, everyone killed themselves to deny the Romans their revenge

[deadwood223]

Because small companies like Magpul and Robinson aren't as rich as colt, thus try harder with their products. Colt keeps pushing out the same shit because they dont have designers of their own, they just keep recycling Stoner and Browning designs.

[Ubernoob88]

Not to mention larger companies have more influence then smaller companies.

[N101RG]

AR 180 gas system was a better design I believe, glad to see Magpul picked it up. I have postponed buying a new AR 15 in favor of possibly the Masada. I am anxious to see the production rifle. I think the concept is good but I can see that this will need to evolve a little. Rough use in the real world will show weak spots in short order. Love the features though.

[gunut4FMJ]

I am sure it would be fine...but it looks like that would be broken within a week of battlefield use. As I said, I am sure it will be fine. It just looks flimsy...

[atlboy82]

well it is only a prototype, so yeah. Just let them make some fininshing touches. But personally I think we should get rid of the 16 and replace it with this eventually.

[Funkgab]

Umm broken? Flimsy? The thing has a gas piston and a detachable barrel. WHat more do you want?

[USkicksass]

I'm not as knowledgeable about guns as I wish, but I heard that the Masada is better than the FN scar, so is it? (I know that it's just a prototype so we'll probably have to wait to know for sure) Looks cool though.

[amexbassist]

They all have their strenghts and weaknesses.The SCAR is a good mix of everything, and the Masada is ridiculously versatile. And, the Masada isn't a prototype anymore. It was released at the beginning of this year for around 1,400USD a piece. One thing that this one has over all the others is that it's extremely versatile. It has barrels chambered for 5.56NATO, 6.8 Remmington, and 5.45 and 7.62x39 (the AK rounds) so that our special forces can use the enemy's ammo.

[OEFInfidel]

It looks like a very nice weapon.

That's why the Army will never touch the shit.

[Briskturtle55]

Would love it in 6.5. That's my beef with most weapons makers. No options other than .308, .223 or 7.62x39. And why no 16" barrel. I'm still sticking with the XCR. The XCR seems to have less recoil as well which would be great for full auto and three round burst. Also, Why the hell don't they have a two round burst. With a larger bullet like the 7.62, 6.8 and 6.5, two rounds seems like more than enough.

[malleymyster]

you have an XCR? how is it? i thought that rifle failed commerically (based on i haven't seen any gunstores pick up,and never heard from it since) i thought it did, and that kinda dampened my enthusiasm over this ( as this promises alot of the same stuff). of course, i have no expericance. not yet.

[stewpidaso26]

i gotta say pretty badass. ive been to combat and know how well are weapons systems operate. as much as i love the m16 we do need something new. and i like the built in compartments! i hope shes accurate. its not how much noise you make but its the hits that count!! oorah! mr. taliban meet my new friend masada!

[straighthate308]

Id like to do a function test on it when the temp is ambient temp is 110+

[BSwizzle]

ooooohhhh,I want one, I guess I'll have to sell off one of my M-4's to get one.

[zerowildfire]

NICE! REALLY NICE. Thats going on my x-mas wish list.

[simbaswat1545]

Finally the US designed a real rifle I always make fun of peoples ARs and out shoot moast "hi tech" ARs with my Old Russian skeleton 74 (ps I have a ar10 so imp not just a hypocrite) gas piston finally

It only took the collapse of the Soviet Union for it to happen... :) Nice setup, I would make the stock fold both ways thoe not that hard to do, and a selection of calibers would be nice not only 223 not my favored by far

223 is for small fragmental penetrations only no power no massive exit.

[chiefkc2002]

I read that there will be 7.62x39 conversion for it as well. Any body no when this thing is getting released?

[captainpike332]

Yeah there is I just watched the futureweapons episode on it very impressive. Actually the conversion is rather simple as all it has to do with is the stocks and barrel choices.

[gfreeman556]

MUST. BUY.

[viperq]

Nice... it looks like a G36/SCAR mix.

[baronofhawkland]

i want this gun, so bad...

[sonsonp]

Beautiful gun everything is well designed but charging handle,,,, would be hard to keep the dirt out

[brentseay]

Yea, saving up now for the 2008 release. Has all the ingredients for a damn fine 5.56 rifle or 7.62x39. That is if I decide to trade my AK for a Masada in 7.62x39. (a featured filled 7.62x39 Masada is attractive compared to an AK)

[recon562001]

How do I get on the list to get one?

[dowling1981]

recon - have you tried the Dewsbury website?

[TriggerJunkie]

Magpul makes high-quality products. Hopefully their dive into firearms manufacture is a success as well.

[Imahappylittlewhore]

OMG WHY THE HELL ARE THEY USING A M16 BARREL???? it´s a crappy barrel

[M1nKylol]

Parts availability. And btw M16 barrels are typically very accurate. And this IS experience talking.

[thetrashrabbit]

yeah M1 is right. M16 barrels are very accurate, ive never heard a complaint about them. i cant wait for the masada. so glad i can get it in full auto!

[nickp1987]

Looks like you've got a really winner there, can't wait.

[hathcocked]

I can't wait to pick one up.

[Polenar]

The gas operating system is very similar to a G36

[straighthate308]

I wish they stuck with the galil. Superior battle rifle. Accuracy, Strength and Reliabilty. Too many pussies running around with 4lb squirt guns.

[IronJackalTw]

Oh... this is unrelated to Masada!

Why is Magpul M93B Carbine Stock discontinued? Come on... bring it back... just for me on probably the prettiest stock for AR-15! UBR is just plain ugly... ugly stock!!

[snake18b]

The operating system is derived from the Kalashnikov gas system but also using existing components that are battle proven. Of course it is not yet battle proven, it is not even ready for that stage yet. Much more testing to be done. That is the only way to ensure that it will be ready for service by whomever decides to buy/use it.

[IronJackalTw]

snake18b, both SIG 55x and IMI Galil already use a similar Kalashnikov gas system! Of course, they are not released for US gun owners except SIG 556!

BTW, I love Madas folding stock, but it seriously needs more rails for Vertical ForeGrip, Bipod, Flashlight (White Light or IR-illumination), and Laser (Visible or IR-illumination)!!

[iloveponies]

WTF!! What about the 550 and 552? Fuck all the bullshit extras, learn to shoot with sights!

[ohhhL3ThaL]

There is no reason to not shoot with an EOTech

[epsylum]

If and when the become availible to us civilians, I am on it like white on rice. They really thought of everything. The choice to use existing AR-15 barrels and triggers was a brilliant move. I seriously cannot think of anything they missed. This gun has it all.

[baronofhawkland]

Our glorious republic must adopt this weapon...hahahahahaha!!!( evil like ex-soviet laugh )

[maxanovajr]

too many moving parts and nicknacks that could go wrong. There's a reason the HK415 is the next gen carbine.

[Magpul]

We have HK 416s. The Masada is less complex, has less parts and easier to build than a HK 416 (I am assuming the 416 is what you are refering to as I am unaware of a 415 from HK)

[IronJackalTw]

Magpul, HK 416 is piston driven! Is Masada's system close to that or better?

[ohhhL3ThaL]

Masada is piston driven.

[AK47owner]

True

[Tbender23]

DUDE...I want one!

[fusionvic]

Two words: SCAR killer

[yannchambrier]

Three words: not battle tested.

I am suspicious of any new guns that haven't been battle tested, rather go to war with a Kalashnikov with an aging design.

[lbcjester]

This is what the US Military should be using. I'll be buying one! :D

[oearley1]

I am seriously thinking of selling off some of my AK's or AR's in order to buy this rifle. I'm also the guy who said I will NEVER sell any of my guns. I was gonna get an mp-5 but this, it's just to cool so the mp-5 will have to wait because if I wait I know they are gonna pass another stupid Assault Weapons Ban and then I won't be able to get it.

[bry0142004]

Nice gun! I like the design,it looks very futuristic! IMHO,It also looks like an FN-SCAR on steriods. :)

[MetapotentOne]

Chamber it in 6.5 Grendel and I'll be a fan.

I've been handloading 6.5 Grendel in large quantities lately, used to handload .223, and i've tried 6.8mm SPC. But if this rifle was chambered for 6.5 Grendel, it would be perfect.

[n1663r]

sweet rifle bro, fa6's at arfkom will love this.

[Deeez7127]

Wow, Cant wait for the Airsoft version of this!

[rayray40]

Nice, I want one for My Arsenal.

[NicoleN1101]

I want one.

[sablelieger]

I love the design and QD capability of the barrel, capable of swapping between CQB and DMR lenghts; ambi controls, cheek rest, all the goodies a soldier could ever want. I look forward to see this rifle made for civilian sales. I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

Excellent review, Monkey. You earned a banana. :D

[milspecmonkey]

Latest intel reports:

"The MagPul rifle will initially come with 5.56, 5.45 and 6.8. All caliber change are be performed by changing the trigger housing, barrel assembly and bolt group. no word on the 308 and the 7.62x39 as of yet, but it does not mean they will not produce it after the initial 5.56 version are in full production."

Thanks SMGLee

[sekiryu]

Please tell me it comes in a civilian legal variant--preferrably in black :)

[DrDestructo]

What a great design. I'd like to give one a live fire trial.

[morbidfrost]

very well thought out.

[milspecmonkey]

Although the barrel is quick change capable, at the moment the Masada design is only for 5.56mm

[MCARMS]

Sign me up. All of a sudden my M4gery looks dated, its soooo turn of the century ya know...

[pdalko]

Wow!!.. Time to trade in my ARs

[mark929]

Very nice weapon.

[sfend002]

oh teh noes!!!111!!!

Looks great, nice review.

[squrm]

Oh Snap. You magnificient bastards.  Gimme...