On brighter side of things nuclear deterant works as does M.A.D. And there hasn't been all out war since 1945. And now with the war on terror the use of nukes in real warfare is unlikely. We should keep the nukes we'll never use them anyway!!?! (I hope)
@ejcmoorhouse - with respect, I don't think that wholly tells the story. Please don't forget all the aspiring nuclear nations from your thinking. Having the weapons infers risks, hence the agenda advancing mutual disarmament efforts being so valuable and progressive.
With Britain's prevailing westerly winds there was a few places which were less likely to receive fall-out. I know of a certain high ranking Tory minister who had a house in South West Devon. Probably just to make his family happier.
Myself and my family live in a bugalow but with an upstairs built in. There are houses but about 10 minuetes away. So we're fucked if there is ever an explosion?
@v9vREBORN haha. Unfortunately your comment now has an eery feeling to it, considering your country and mine are at the potential of receiving fallout
It's funny how none of the American "what-to-do" videos never go deeper into the fallout problem and only tell you to cover and then go to your basement. But they never talk much about what to do after the explosion.
@FaberOptime The original video speaks for itself, there is little room for 'artistic' intervention to stir further emotion. One tries to live the moment of the time only to be distracted by singing and drums, but that is just me. Maybe if the music was turned down quite a bit then perhaps I could begin to appreciate what you've done?
@tonyweston9 - I'm gratified that you found the (extremely carefully compiled and edited, with bias!) video content sufficiently compelling in and of itself.
As to the music volume, I've had criticisms that it's both too loud and too quiet, so evidently struck some balance...
I felt it important to not present the footage in an entirely straight manner, for fear of the guidance therein being taken too seriously - after all, this vid was designed to provoke folk to think again.
hey, i'm an english spanish translator.. i must say the translation of the captions from english to spanish was very fairly accurate and clear.. guess google is doing a good job in globalization, huh?
@TeAmoToros - I put up this vid in the hopes of encouraging viewers to do more than just hope for the best.
While so ever the weapons remain, the risks remain. We must actively encourage our representatives towards multilateral disarmament and safe disposal.
I think the cold war is a lucid example as to why we must compel this path - for fear of the alternative.
@FaberOptime It is a good vis but the 2012 is the big thing to worry about now see if you can find one on that subject. People think that 2012 will implode the planet just massive earthquakes cuz of the rotation of the axis experts predict if any happedns that will be it.
@JimmyPeep I agree with you wholeheartedly. These weren't PIFS; more like psychological warfare. I mean they showed this crap during daytime t.v WTF.
People dying, crushed,raped, murdered, AIDS, etc etc. thank God you don't see them on the t.v so much anymore. There is a tribute page to PIFS on Facebook. Shawn Tribute or something. Anyway, these " adverts" weren't educational, more like child abuse.
I have a vast montage of grisly images indelibly imprinted in my brain, which I don't need.
@JimmyPeep/zakalon123 - As I understood, these films weren't generally released or shown - they were produced in preparedness for an imminent nuclear threat, which thankfully never emerged.
Released to public under 30yr rule.
Moreover in contrast to the majority of other PIFS produced, these were not targeting a youth audience.
The questions of how best to address and educate kids on the dangers of life remains an active one and in my experience the PIFS had comparatively pretty bland content.
@FaberOptime Yeah but they did show this sinister nonsense during daylight hours, even as a kid, when I was watching T.V you would see grisly PIFS during ad breaks.
As mentioned above. These things lie in the subconcious.
A child absorbs a lot of info during its formative years. And evidence has shown, that this sort of stuff remains with you as an adult, which I feel is not a good thing.
There'll never be a nuclear war. There might be crude, dirty bombs, but places like China and North Korea are so dependent on the West for their customer base and future profitability, they'd be literally destroying themselves in the process. For a nuclear war to happen, there would need to be a SERIOUS conflict of interest between the West and the Far East.
As the video suggests, there are many, many warheads in existence and they could be sabotaged. But I think we're safe from armageddon.
@gavinpow77 What about India? Pakistan? It's not the rest of the world vs. the US you know - many have observed that Israel's a powderkeg too - we must be wary of complancency - lots of ex-weapon nuclear materials we must take awful care of; not to mention those states that are arming, not disarming.
We've trusted to fate on this for half a century, leading to nothing but proliferation of the risks. I think in future we must do better!
Why did these sorts of "public service" films always make me less trusting and at ease with the way things are? Darkly amusing. Also interesting the differences between British postwar approach compared to those of the US, where these served as one more form of consumer propaganda.
I read that the dumb thing about 'Protect and Survive' is how it instructs people to make their 'almost certainly bomb-damaged' houses secure against fine dust. It's true that at least most of the windows in Britain would be broken in an all-out nuclear attack.
Civil Defense is more important than ever! A very real threat remains from nuclear weapons held by nuclear powers (Russia, China, Pakistan) as well as rogue states (Iran, North Korea) and from terrorists using "dirty" bombs and crude atomic weapons. Also protection from non-nuke mass casualty weapons i.e. biological and chemical.
@ElProfGringo - Whilst you're absolutely right on the ongoing risks, I have doubts as to the effectiveness of civil defence preparations such as those shown in the vid...
@101Veener - Maybe you would survive the initial blast/impacts in a substantial shelter, but likelihood of medium to long-term survival is slight.
When the earth and water are poisoned, the sky so full of debris no sun can reach the soil and disease and deprivation run rampant, the question of survival is far more than just "will I survive the blast."
Put it this way, ff I were a betting man, I wouldn't be putting money on it.
@FaberOptime This is what has been keeping me up at night. A sufficient amount of supplies to last 2 weeks, and a radiation suit, are really all you will need. Afterwards its really anarchy depending on weather the whole world has gone down under, but a community prepared would probably have a high chance of survival.
@jeseiscool - " A sufficient amount of supplies to last 2 weeks, and a radiation suit, are really all you will need [for the first couple of weeks]."
Make no mistake Jese - surviving the blast is only one of the challenges and the impacts to our longer term survival, barely even touched upon in this film, would be profound and likely fatal to most.
Community preparedness seems largely, woefully inadequate for the vast majority of possible post-blast scenarios...
@FaberOptime I'd go so far as to say, I'd prefer being as close to ground zero as possible. I used to look at maps that identified likely blast patterns, looking for some remote area that might not be a target, but even in a large and at one time unsettled area like the US or Canada, there really were no safe zones, even without considering the likely prospect of nuclear winter. The only light is that even the idiots who played along would have a chance of survival anyone would choose.
@101Veener Surviving the blast and immediate effects is easy compared to surviving the long term effects, such as famine, disease, and economic collapse. I might not get vaporized, but I'm not sure I'd WANT to live in a post-nuclear world.
@EllOEllproductions this is from after ww2 , and nuclear bombs haven't been used in attacks since then, so it's not ironic that the japanese didn't know this, cause the americans or europeans didn't know it at that time either.
Yes I thought it was a most appropriate inclusion in context.
The nuclear threat, though nowadays somewhat diminished, remains to us all and talked about in the abstract, the realities of it seem perhaps too far from home even to be understood.
I hope you'll share this vid with all, pursuant to promoting further disarmament (kudos to the US/Russian presidents for continuing to walk this path).
Shocking stuff huh... Let us not forget, these still represent the best government advice and guidance about the current risks to us all and our families...
I can remember these films. I still have a copy of the booklet shown at 00:12 too. My dad was a volunteer in the Royal Oberver Corps, worked on the Sawtry Post in Huntingdonshire - one day some neighbours actually came an asked my mother if in the event of a war my dad would be able to get them into his ROC post! Ever seen hos small one of those posts is?!? Obviously the answer was NO! But such was the fear back in the early 1980s - not all thant long ago at all.
Unfortunately it is that kind of thinking that brought us to the brink with the Cuban missile crisis; continues to cost billions (I can sure think of plenty better things to spend the money on - like healthcare and education for instance!) for weapons that are totally unethical to use and persists profound risks to humanity.
Time for more enlightened thinking!
Thankfully the powers that be agree, hence disarmament treaties, as per the current US administration's initiative.
Well, you might think healthcare is rather a priority, irrespective! ;-)
Y'know, considering the realities of this quite literal weapon of mass destruction, being vapourised could well be thought preferable to more painful, prolongued death from radiation poisoning, disease, starvation or lack of potable water.
It is a minority who die directly from the blast - far more die from the secondary consequences.
Of course medical practitioners are going to matter if a nuke were ever to be used again!
This a good but sad reminder of the need to have shelter, as the possibility of nuclear threat still exists!!!!!! Thanks for the reminder, 5 ***** from me!!!!!
Thanks for your comment Cathie - while so ever there are the weapons, there will be this risk to all.
I very much thank you for your appreciation of the issue - something many wish to kick right out of mind nowadays, irrespective of the continuing risks.
Let us hope others pay heed and begin to campaign for nuclear disarmament.
all you relly need to do is watch the nuke from call of duty 4. That shows us all the devestation that a nuke can cause, and how inhumane the people are who set it off. People like this really have no consideration for mankind, and they need to be stopped.
The Doomsday Clock has continued to be maintained since 1947 and presently stands at six minutes to midnight.
It continues to be shown on every issue of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists and its recorded history makes for interesting, if chilling, reading (see wikipedia).
No I don't think so - the impact of such crimes is so much more limited - weaponry as we're discussing here is indiscriminate (killing both military targets and any civilians nearby) and poisons the land for many decades at least.
Well consider the impact of such upon those you love.
Also, in regard to the misfortune of strangers, when you hear them, think to yourself "there but for the grade of God go I" or if the religious overtones are anathema, "their bad luck today could be my bad luck tomorrow."
Fair last point really - at other times I can hear myself saying "take care of yourself first, otherwise you're less able to help others." :-)
In direct answer, selfless acts facilitate the love of others.
well if i hear somebody crying ill go see what is wrong i am fully aware of that christ mumble jumble do something to him that you want him to do to you
i help people if they need help
but you must always remember the golden rule of the monthy python
fallout did kill us . it's in the ice core. that ice pack is covered in a metal dome. nuclear fallout is a heavy metal. and that ice pack is melting. it's a run away. now post glacial rebound effect x's 1000. Scott (BUG) nice vid. sorry about the bad news. put a fork in this planet it's done.
Goodness, watching this it seems quite dangerous. If anyone drops the bomb, I'm going straight round the the Health and Safety Executive to complain. Worse than asbestos.
You're not on your own in seeing this and thinking "is that really the best I can do?!"
In reality, the impacts of a nuclear attack would be so profound as to make any such actions seem facile - I rather consider this propaganda akin to a "public pacifier."
Can we ever really ensure 100% disarment? How? Obviously, I wish we could, but I am doubtful. Let's face it...there will always be someone, somewhere who will want to create these...the technology is out there..,, and on another note, even if one could survive the initial blast, what a ghastly quality of life one would have to look forward to....place me, please, within the five mile radius
Limiting nukes to UN control reminds me of the stewardess on a plane telling you to assume the crash position....something to do that makes you feel a false sense of protection and control...
Hey, sorry I am such a pessamist! I am just feeling fiesty and contrary today! Anything we can do is better than nothing. Have a happy New Year! :)
Nuclear bombs are a symptom...Hatred is the disease....You know, a nuclear bomb will not detonate all by itself. It's the people. What scares me the most is the maniac mindset....people who want to hurt others, with absolutely no regard for life at all, INCLUDING their own. That is the bigger "bomb" we need to disarm first. If we don't somehow do this...we will never really achieve nuclear disarment..because they will always find a way.
Perhaps so, but that larger root cause remains a persistent problem since time immemorial and in all honesty I doubt could every be solvable - though of course every move to that end is a welcome step in the right direction!
The risks from a fanatic/maniac can never be wholly removed, only minimised and I for one would see the world as a coinsaiderably safer place were the nuclear vectors ever diminished.
It's funny, I remember these and the sound of 'fallout'. Living in East Anglia near the USAF bases we knew we'd be first and had practise drills, the farmer had the siren for the 4 minute warning.
The line stay at home 'it's the place you know and where you are known', seems really chilling.
I absolutely agree that the closer one comes to understanding all the meanings underlying the simple words said, the more disconcerting it all becomes.
Many of the implications, such as from that you mentioned, "stay where you know and are known" (anywhere less familiar may soon be totally unrecognisable, as may you), are horrific in their fatalism.
Yes it is shocking that a nation's lives might have to rely upon advice such as that given.
Bearing in mind that though global politics has thankfully progressed, the risks and our available civil self-defence options haven't.
When you think about it, were versions of these films to be made tomorrow (though doubtless they'd be stylistically updated!), I'd sincerely doubt that they would comprise a great deal of different content...
Make no mistake, even with the mightiest of cellars, air and water processing facilities and a year's worth of food stored, the chances of living through a substantial nuclear attack would be pretty minimal.
Nukes remain a mortal danger to the world and really only their decommission can decrease the risks.
THE MUSIC IS TOO QUIET CAN BARELY HEAR IT NOW :( It's really a shame because the song goes so well... it is "ROADS" BY Portishead I know it cos I like the band
I'm old enough to remember this guide and the paranoid campaign that went with it. I still have the guide somewhere, with its advice to make a "shelter" lean-to, out of old doors and boxes. (!)
Did a bit of homework about this - whilst it may have been distributed by some local authorities to some communities, this was not consistently the case throughout the UK.
The booklet you referred to was produced in anticipation of a need to provide civil defence info to the public in the event of a clear and present nuclear threat.
It was never intended for general circulation (though was made available for sale in light of parliamentary/public interest).
It certainly was produced in anticipation: a nuclear war had not happened yet!
As far as I know all London authorities gave this booklet to all households for free; ours came through the door. I worked for the MoD at the time and this was the info I was given. As for more suburban councils, perhaps they were not considered so at risk of being annihilated so didn't get a book., but I shall check.
Certainly local authorities led - I believe in most areas it was not freely distributed (local civil defence authority plans typically had that action held in reserve), but sold on request for 50p, as per central govt directives.
Notwithstanding the unpublished PIFs (from which this film was made), the occasional documentary and slices of government propaganda, be very curious to see/find out more about the TV ads you referred to - I had no idea there had ever even been such things!
Hi mate. Some obtained a copy of the "Protect & Survive" book after watching a free showing of the BBC film "The War Game" which was banned from broadcast until much later. I remember the book being given out after a showing of that film, I think before it was distributed free by some local councils. The film was shown at libraries and Town halls, with a civil-defence remit.
If you can ever get to see "The War Game" It maybe as chilling as it was when first made.
Modern nuclear weapons unfortunately make these recommendations irrelevant.
tmddog 1 week ago
@tmddog - not just modern ones aye - really not too much hope hiding under a table against any nuclear weaps!!!
To my mind, a great reason to campaign for disarmament.
FaberOptime 1 week ago
what is the song in the background of this video?
rugbyf0rlife 1 week ago
@rugbyf0rlife - there's two songs - firstly "Roads" by Portishead; secondly "The Great Gig In The Sky" by Pink Floyd.
FaberOptime 1 week ago
On brighter side of things nuclear deterant works as does M.A.D. And there hasn't been all out war since 1945. And now with the war on terror the use of nukes in real warfare is unlikely. We should keep the nukes we'll never use them anyway!!?! (I hope)
ejcmoorhouse 5 months ago
@ejcmoorhouse - with respect, I don't think that wholly tells the story. Please don't forget all the aspiring nuclear nations from your thinking. Having the weapons infers risks, hence the agenda advancing mutual disarmament efforts being so valuable and progressive.
FaberOptime 5 months ago
I remember them testing the sirens once at 4am during these years. I didn't know it was a test ....
ChorltonBrook 6 months ago
With Britain's prevailing westerly winds there was a few places which were less likely to receive fall-out. I know of a certain high ranking Tory minister who had a house in South West Devon. Probably just to make his family happier.
ChorltonBrook 6 months ago
@ChorltonBrook - yes, I've heard similar RE various Tories over time...
FaberOptime 5 months ago
Myself and my family live in a bugalow but with an upstairs built in. There are houses but about 10 minuetes away. So we're fucked if there is ever an explosion?
Dharkhaze17 6 months ago
@Dharkhaze17 - Basically, yes... That said, the power of contemporary nukes infer that for us all, pretty much irrespective...
FaberOptime 5 months ago
I feel a whole lot better now what a joke
MaryJoMuser 9 months ago
@MaryJoMuser - if it gave you food for thought, bon appetit...
FaberOptime 5 months ago
We live, and still live under the nuclear sword of Damocles (Something I heard from last moments on Earth from History Channel)
racer927 10 months ago
@racer927 - "Living under the nuclear sword of Damocles" is surely a most excellent expression to describe the realities of it all.
FaberOptime 10 months ago
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Thelonesniper101 10 months ago
@v9vREBORN haha. Unfortunately your comment now has an eery feeling to it, considering your country and mine are at the potential of receiving fallout
nothing980454 11 months ago
It's funny how none of the American "what-to-do" videos never go deeper into the fallout problem and only tell you to cover and then go to your basement. But they never talk much about what to do after the explosion.
LaughinGarry 11 months ago
@v9vREBORN - LOL
FaberOptime 1 year ago
@v9vREBORN - Like the sound of the Mars plan!
If only aye...
FaberOptime 1 year ago
The added background music is maddening, have to go now!
tonyweston9 1 year ago
@tonyweston9 - Sorry you didn't appreciate the artistic component there.
I was quite proud of the outcomes, especially @ 5:52 onwards...
Few pieces of music that could come close to complementing the content in any way, but I hope the two selected do some adequate, reciprocal justice.
FaberOptime 1 year ago
@FaberOptime The original video speaks for itself, there is little room for 'artistic' intervention to stir further emotion. One tries to live the moment of the time only to be distracted by singing and drums, but that is just me. Maybe if the music was turned down quite a bit then perhaps I could begin to appreciate what you've done?
tonyweston9 1 year ago
@tonyweston9 - I'm gratified that you found the (extremely carefully compiled and edited, with bias!) video content sufficiently compelling in and of itself.
As to the music volume, I've had criticisms that it's both too loud and too quiet, so evidently struck some balance...
I felt it important to not present the footage in an entirely straight manner, for fear of the guidance therein being taken too seriously - after all, this vid was designed to provoke folk to think again.
FaberOptime 1 year ago
hey, i'm an english spanish translator.. i must say the translation of the captions from english to spanish was very fairly accurate and clear.. guess google is doing a good job in globalization, huh?
MaxKroven 1 year ago
@MaxKroven - Yes, I must admit I've not had manual translation done on any of the dialogue, so kudos due to Google Translate team! :-)
FaberOptime 1 year ago
Quite good?! when the bomb drops I want more than quite bloody good!
draven26 1 year ago
who would want to live through hell
ALLERTORLOVER69 1 year ago
I want my innocence back.
NarwhalsArePimps 1 year ago
Peace is the answer! Power to the people :)
ZionCrafter 1 year ago
@ZionCrafter - Agreed! :-)
FaberOptime 1 year ago
PORTISHEAD !!!!!
jeffanie1984 1 year ago
Ok where are we going to get a rad suit? Besides if a country nukes the UK or US we will fire back and hope for the best if there was one.
TeAmoToros 1 year ago
@TeAmoToros - Versace I think does some pretty rad suits. ;-)
Liable to be equally as useful as the real thing, were the bomb to drop.
You remind me of one of the most apt acronym's I know - M.A.D. - Mutually Assured Destruction.
PRAY the leaders of nuclear states are more enlightened than that.
FaberOptime 1 year ago
@FaberOptime Well all we can hope for is that the world leaders don't fuck up. the cold war was a close call between us and the russians.
TeAmoToros 1 year ago
@TeAmoToros - I put up this vid in the hopes of encouraging viewers to do more than just hope for the best.
While so ever the weapons remain, the risks remain. We must actively encourage our representatives towards multilateral disarmament and safe disposal.
I think the cold war is a lucid example as to why we must compel this path - for fear of the alternative.
FaberOptime 1 year ago
@FaberOptime It is a good vis but the 2012 is the big thing to worry about now see if you can find one on that subject. People think that 2012 will implode the planet just massive earthquakes cuz of the rotation of the axis experts predict if any happedns that will be it.
TeAmoToros 1 year ago
These adverts scared the shit out of me as a kid. Thanks British Government for traumatising my childhood.
JimmyPeep 1 year ago 5
@JimmyPeep I agree with you wholeheartedly. These weren't PIFS; more like psychological warfare. I mean they showed this crap during daytime t.v WTF.
People dying, crushed,raped, murdered, AIDS, etc etc. thank God you don't see them on the t.v so much anymore. There is a tribute page to PIFS on Facebook. Shawn Tribute or something. Anyway, these " adverts" weren't educational, more like child abuse.
I have a vast montage of grisly images indelibly imprinted in my brain, which I don't need.
zakalon123 2 months ago
@JimmyPeep/zakalon123 - As I understood, these films weren't generally released or shown - they were produced in preparedness for an imminent nuclear threat, which thankfully never emerged.
Released to public under 30yr rule.
Moreover in contrast to the majority of other PIFS produced, these were not targeting a youth audience.
The questions of how best to address and educate kids on the dangers of life remains an active one and in my experience the PIFS had comparatively pretty bland content.
FaberOptime 2 months ago
@FaberOptime Yeah but they did show this sinister nonsense during daylight hours, even as a kid, when I was watching T.V you would see grisly PIFS during ad breaks.
As mentioned above. These things lie in the subconcious.
A child absorbs a lot of info during its formative years. And evidence has shown, that this sort of stuff remains with you as an adult, which I feel is not a good thing.
zakalon123 1 month ago
There'll never be a nuclear war. There might be crude, dirty bombs, but places like China and North Korea are so dependent on the West for their customer base and future profitability, they'd be literally destroying themselves in the process. For a nuclear war to happen, there would need to be a SERIOUS conflict of interest between the West and the Far East.
As the video suggests, there are many, many warheads in existence and they could be sabotaged. But I think we're safe from armageddon.
gavinpow77 1 year ago
@gavinpow77 What about India? Pakistan? It's not the rest of the world vs. the US you know - many have observed that Israel's a powderkeg too - we must be wary of complancency - lots of ex-weapon nuclear materials we must take awful care of; not to mention those states that are arming, not disarming.
We've trusted to fate on this for half a century, leading to nothing but proliferation of the risks. I think in future we must do better!
FaberOptime 1 year ago
this is one of the scariest film made ive read scary shit about this shit
hazza582 1 year ago
Why did these sorts of "public service" films always make me less trusting and at ease with the way things are? Darkly amusing. Also interesting the differences between British postwar approach compared to those of the US, where these served as one more form of consumer propaganda.
ebbixx 1 year ago
I read that the dumb thing about 'Protect and Survive' is how it instructs people to make their 'almost certainly bomb-damaged' houses secure against fine dust. It's true that at least most of the windows in Britain would be broken in an all-out nuclear attack.
plusplusplusplusp 1 year ago
Civil Defense is more important than ever! A very real threat remains from nuclear weapons held by nuclear powers (Russia, China, Pakistan) as well as rogue states (Iran, North Korea) and from terrorists using "dirty" bombs and crude atomic weapons. Also protection from non-nuke mass casualty weapons i.e. biological and chemical.
ElProfGringo 1 year ago 2
@ElProfGringo - Whilst you're absolutely right on the ongoing risks, I have doubts as to the effectiveness of civil defence preparations such as those shown in the vid...
FaberOptime 1 year ago
Please answer this: If we build far underground vaults will we still survive?
101Veener 1 year ago
@101Veener - Maybe you would survive the initial blast/impacts in a substantial shelter, but likelihood of medium to long-term survival is slight.
When the earth and water are poisoned, the sky so full of debris no sun can reach the soil and disease and deprivation run rampant, the question of survival is far more than just "will I survive the blast."
Put it this way, ff I were a betting man, I wouldn't be putting money on it.
FaberOptime 1 year ago 2
@FaberOptime This is what has been keeping me up at night. A sufficient amount of supplies to last 2 weeks, and a radiation suit, are really all you will need. Afterwards its really anarchy depending on weather the whole world has gone down under, but a community prepared would probably have a high chance of survival.
jeseiscool 1 year ago
@jeseiscool - " A sufficient amount of supplies to last 2 weeks, and a radiation suit, are really all you will need [for the first couple of weeks]."
Make no mistake Jese - surviving the blast is only one of the challenges and the impacts to our longer term survival, barely even touched upon in this film, would be profound and likely fatal to most.
Community preparedness seems largely, woefully inadequate for the vast majority of possible post-blast scenarios...
FaberOptime 1 year ago
@FaberOptime pretty optimistic considering is likelu that fire amblance police and fire department will be wiped out
hamster700 1 year ago
@FaberOptime I'd go so far as to say, I'd prefer being as close to ground zero as possible. I used to look at maps that identified likely blast patterns, looking for some remote area that might not be a target, but even in a large and at one time unsettled area like the US or Canada, there really were no safe zones, even without considering the likely prospect of nuclear winter. The only light is that even the idiots who played along would have a chance of survival anyone would choose.
ebbixx 1 year ago
@ebbixx - hear ya bud.
FaberOptime 1 year ago
@FaberOptime the only way u could survive is if u go underground.
u have to get power to recycle your air and water.
but if u have a nuclear winter, the cycle of water will stop and therre will be no sunlight,so therre will be no wind either.
therre is only nuclear energy or geothermal energy.
MrStartrekepisodes 1 year ago 2
@MrStartrekepisodes - Quite right on the risks of nuclear winter.
FaberOptime 1 year ago
@101Veener Surviving the blast and immediate effects is easy compared to surviving the long term effects, such as famine, disease, and economic collapse. I might not get vaporized, but I'm not sure I'd WANT to live in a post-nuclear world.
siriuslybloo 1 year ago
@EllOEllproductions this is from after ww2 , and nuclear bombs haven't been used in attacks since then, so it's not ironic that the japanese didn't know this, cause the americans or europeans didn't know it at that time either.
jegknepperogergrim 1 year ago
So,Fallout is Radiation?it can't be debris cause it said you can't see it,taste it.
Kibaruto96 1 year ago
@Kibaruto96 - Fallout is radioactive dust thrown into the atmosphere.
The dust may be so fine that it may be almost imperceptible.
FaberOptime 1 year ago
@EllOEllproductions - The irony is both patent and bitter.
Yes, all deserve to know what little they could hope to do to protect themselves.
But of course the main point is that survival from use of such weaponry is highly unlikely.
FaberOptime 1 year ago
Effective use of the clip from "Threads" It was shown here (Canada) once more than 20 years ago and still haunts me to this day.
mower 1 year ago
@mower - Thanks for your comment.
Yes I thought it was a most appropriate inclusion in context.
The nuclear threat, though nowadays somewhat diminished, remains to us all and talked about in the abstract, the realities of it seem perhaps too far from home even to be understood.
I hope you'll share this vid with all, pursuant to promoting further disarmament (kudos to the US/Russian presidents for continuing to walk this path).
Let us all encourage further.
FaberOptime 1 year ago
OMG I remember these I was sooooooo scared of them...
buffykidd1971 1 year ago 2
Shocking stuff huh... Let us not forget, these still represent the best government advice and guidance about the current risks to us all and our families...
I hope you'll pass along...
FaberOptime 1 year ago
I can remember these films. I still have a copy of the booklet shown at 00:12 too. My dad was a volunteer in the Royal Oberver Corps, worked on the Sawtry Post in Huntingdonshire - one day some neighbours actually came an asked my mother if in the event of a war my dad would be able to get them into his ROC post! Ever seen hos small one of those posts is?!? Obviously the answer was NO! But such was the fear back in the early 1980s - not all thant long ago at all.
Hanglands 2 years ago 2
Nuclear Disarmament is a stupid idea, to disarm leave us completely vulnerable to a first strike
Azkabar2 2 years ago
Unfortunately it is that kind of thinking that brought us to the brink with the Cuban missile crisis; continues to cost billions (I can sure think of plenty better things to spend the money on - like healthcare and education for instance!) for weapons that are totally unethical to use and persists profound risks to humanity.
Time for more enlightened thinking!
Thankfully the powers that be agree, hence disarmament treaties, as per the current US administration's initiative.
Thank goodness!
FaberOptime 2 years ago
Cause healthcare is gonna matter if you get turned into a cloud of plasma.
Azkabar2 2 years ago
Well, you might think healthcare is rather a priority, irrespective! ;-)
Y'know, considering the realities of this quite literal weapon of mass destruction, being vapourised could well be thought preferable to more painful, prolongued death from radiation poisoning, disease, starvation or lack of potable water.
It is a minority who die directly from the blast - far more die from the secondary consequences.
Of course medical practitioners are going to matter if a nuke were ever to be used again!
FaberOptime 2 years ago
This a good but sad reminder of the need to have shelter, as the possibility of nuclear threat still exists!!!!!! Thanks for the reminder, 5 ***** from me!!!!!
cathiefredrickson 2 years ago
Thanks for your comment Cathie - while so ever there are the weapons, there will be this risk to all.
I very much thank you for your appreciation of the issue - something many wish to kick right out of mind nowadays, irrespective of the continuing risks.
Let us hope others pay heed and begin to campaign for nuclear disarmament.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
Thank you for your hard work on this Faber!
msmitty3473 2 years ago
Thanks back!
Nice to be appreciated. :-)
FaberOptime 2 years ago
all you relly need to do is watch the nuke from call of duty 4. That shows us all the devestation that a nuke can cause, and how inhumane the people are who set it off. People like this really have no consideration for mankind, and they need to be stopped.
chrisvalez 2 years ago
I guess that would be another, differing illustration!
FaberOptime 2 years ago
lmao 5mins till midnight
if ye know what i mean
Puolakanaho 2 years ago
An aged reference, but a very pertinent one.
The Doomsday Clock has continued to be maintained since 1947 and presently stands at six minutes to midnight.
It continues to be shown on every issue of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists and its recorded history makes for interesting, if chilling, reading (see wikipedia).
Thanks for raising.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
no proplem
Puolakanaho 2 years ago
A shame so few people are aware of it nowadays.
In addition to huge, existing US/Russian arsenals, India, Pakistan, North Korea and Iran are all actively aspiring to nuclear armourment...
It should remain a matter of considerable concern.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
yea but i heard that there is discussion about disarming nuclearweapons
but then comes the other wepons that does the same thing so >>
Puolakanaho 2 years ago
Indeed, the focus has changed, but not been lost...
FaberOptime 2 years ago
but the mainthing is nuclear weapons or no still we are gonna kill each other sooner or later :P
Puolakanaho 2 years ago
Let us hope you're wrong about that!
FaberOptime 2 years ago
@FaberOptime '
we both know im not ;)
Puolakanaho 2 years ago
I hope and pray you're wrong! :-)
Be it nukes, emergent weapons technologies or climate change, let us nor be beggars to our our demise.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
well ever heard of hydrogen bomb???
does almost the same but doesnt destroy buildings :)
Puolakanaho 2 years ago
It's another case in point.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
@FaberOptime well dunno it kills the same as nuclear explosive what i belive?
Puolakanaho 2 years ago
Believe in the truth!!
It does indeed kill humans the same as other atomic weaponry.
More reason to campaign against all such weaponry, no?
FaberOptime 2 years ago
@FaberOptime yea but what i ment to say is that isnt it the same if a robber shoots you to death or stabs you to death???
Puolakanaho 2 years ago
No I don't think so - the impact of such crimes is so much more limited - weaponry as we're discussing here is indiscriminate (killing both military targets and any civilians nearby) and poisons the land for many decades at least.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
@FaberOptime yea but the fuck you give a damm when you are dead about the land pollution :P
Puolakanaho 2 years ago
Your children might!
FaberOptime 2 years ago
luckyly i dont have any
Puolakanaho 2 years ago
Everyone's children.
Everyone for the future.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
meh couldnt careless about future that isnt related to me
to speak teh truth thinking about future is boring
i live in now
i live for the moment
i have a memory of a fish
what were we talking again???
Puolakanaho 2 years ago
Never mind - you keep swimming around your goldfish bowl!
LOL
Good job your parents weren't quite so self centred, aye... ;-)
Think of others before yourself and you'll end up all the richer for it.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
too much hollywood movies for you
i care about people close to me but i just cant feel sad towards a man i dont know
and if you think about others before you then who thinks about you??
Puolakanaho 2 years ago
Well consider the impact of such upon those you love.
Also, in regard to the misfortune of strangers, when you hear them, think to yourself "there but for the grade of God go I" or if the religious overtones are anathema, "their bad luck today could be my bad luck tomorrow."
Fair last point really - at other times I can hear myself saying "take care of yourself first, otherwise you're less able to help others." :-)
In direct answer, selfless acts facilitate the love of others.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
hahahaha your good in this
well if i hear somebody crying ill go see what is wrong i am fully aware of that christ mumble jumble do something to him that you want him to do to you
i help people if they need help
but you must always remember the golden rule of the monthy python
always look on the bright side of death
Puolakanaho 2 years ago
I can just hear Eric Idle's tuneful words echoing in my mind now! :-)
FaberOptime 2 years ago
:)
good for you
Puolakanaho 2 years ago
good for you!
Puolakanaho 2 years ago
Good for us all!
FaberOptime 2 years ago
nope im pretty sure it wont be good for those poor haitians :(
Puolakanaho 2 years ago
A differing point, but yes I agree.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
and why does youtube say i cant post comments?
Puolakanaho 2 years ago
Your comments do seem to appear okay.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
yeah but when i tried posting good for you i had to try to do it 3 times
hmm they do appear thou???
well anyway as i was saying
im pretty sure it wont be good for those poor haitians :(
Puolakanaho 2 years ago
That's real narrow minded of you. :-(
msmitty3473 2 years ago
Who was that directed at?!
FaberOptime 2 years ago
Not you Faber!
msmitty3473 2 years ago
SCARY SHIT. i hate nuclear
nwa4life91 2 years ago
I hope this vid will encourage you to actively campaign against its military use.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
Makes me sick
Replay241 2 years ago
I sympathise.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
fallout did kill us . it's in the ice core. that ice pack is covered in a metal dome. nuclear fallout is a heavy metal. and that ice pack is melting. it's a run away. now post glacial rebound effect x's 1000. Scott (BUG) nice vid. sorry about the bad news. put a fork in this planet it's done.
believersunderground 2 years ago
Dunno what to say to that!
FaberOptime 2 years ago
WTF?!
msmitty3473 2 years ago
Goodness, watching this it seems quite dangerous. If anyone drops the bomb, I'm going straight round the the Health and Safety Executive to complain. Worse than asbestos.
Bungay4 2 years ago
You're not on your own in seeing this and thinking "is that really the best I can do?!"
In reality, the impacts of a nuclear attack would be so profound as to make any such actions seem facile - I rather consider this propaganda akin to a "public pacifier."
FaberOptime 2 years ago
i just keep watching this video over and over. i think i'm quite addicted to the melancholy.
anysnail 2 years ago
Gracious...
Beware - too much government propaganda can be bad for the health!
:-)
FaberOptime 2 years ago
btw..it took me half the video to realize who was singing/playing in the backgroud. LOVE it...!
SusanEyerAndersonDVM 2 years ago
:-D
FaberOptime 2 years ago
@SusanEyerAndersonDVM who is it. I NEED to know the song?
rugbyf0rlife 1 week ago
@rugbyf0rlife - the song titles/artists were in the credits at the end of the vid too ;-)
FaberOptime 1 week ago
Can we ever really ensure 100% disarment? How? Obviously, I wish we could, but I am doubtful. Let's face it...there will always be someone, somewhere who will want to create these...the technology is out there..,, and on another note, even if one could survive the initial blast, what a ghastly quality of life one would have to look forward to....place me, please, within the five mile radius
SusanEyerAndersonDVM 2 years ago
Yes, fair point - you can't uninvent something.
But how about limiting nukes to UN control?
Agreed RE if/when the bomb drops... All we can do is seek to minimise the possibility of it happening huh...
FaberOptime 2 years ago
Limiting nukes to UN control reminds me of the stewardess on a plane telling you to assume the crash position....something to do that makes you feel a false sense of protection and control...
Hey, sorry I am such a pessamist! I am just feeling fiesty and contrary today! Anything we can do is better than nothing. Have a happy New Year! :)
SusanEyerAndersonDVM 2 years ago
Thank you and a happy new year to you too!
I made this vid to spark thought and discussion, so don't apologise!
RE UN - perhaps least imperfect solution?
FaberOptime 2 years ago
Nuclear bombs are a symptom...Hatred is the disease....You know, a nuclear bomb will not detonate all by itself. It's the people. What scares me the most is the maniac mindset....people who want to hurt others, with absolutely no regard for life at all, INCLUDING their own. That is the bigger "bomb" we need to disarm first. If we don't somehow do this...we will never really achieve nuclear disarment..because they will always find a way.
SusanEyerAndersonDVM 2 years ago
Perhaps so, but that larger root cause remains a persistent problem since time immemorial and in all honesty I doubt could every be solvable - though of course every move to that end is a welcome step in the right direction!
The risks from a fanatic/maniac can never be wholly removed, only minimised and I for one would see the world as a coinsaiderably safer place were the nuclear vectors ever diminished.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
Very true
SusanEyerAndersonDVM 2 years ago
do you know where i can download the full bbc 4 min warning broadcast on mp3?
bladesman123 2 years ago
Not off hand, but it is available.
Tried googling for it?
FaberOptime 2 years ago
yeah tried that, still no luck :(
bladesman123 2 years ago
Hm, I'm sure it is available from somewhere... Was it the national archives? Or it might have been on the BBC site itself...
FaberOptime 2 years ago
It's funny, I remember these and the sound of 'fallout'. Living in East Anglia near the USAF bases we knew we'd be first and had practise drills, the farmer had the siren for the 4 minute warning.
The line stay at home 'it's the place you know and where you are known', seems really chilling.
djch123 2 years ago 2
Your valuable recollections are appreciated.
Let them never be forgotten.
I absolutely agree that the closer one comes to understanding all the meanings underlying the simple words said, the more disconcerting it all becomes.
Many of the implications, such as from that you mentioned, "stay where you know and are known" (anywhere less familiar may soon be totally unrecognisable, as may you), are horrific in their fatalism.
Thanks for the reminders.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
Almost seems like a practical joke.
msmitty3473 2 years ago 2
Like many/most government activities?! LOL
Yes it is shocking that a nation's lives might have to rely upon advice such as that given.
Bearing in mind that though global politics has thankfully progressed, the risks and our available civil self-defence options haven't.
When you think about it, were versions of these films to be made tomorrow (though doubtless they'd be stylistically updated!), I'd sincerely doubt that they would comprise a great deal of different content...
FaberOptime 2 years ago
Yeah.
Hgat1 2 years ago
why did u do this its awful
what was the point i hope it didnt take u too long
Ugmotic 2 years ago
Awful?
Or just shocking?
The point was to shock people out of complacency about what remains a considerable risk to all humanity.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
Great job and great website!
williamdouglasb 2 years ago 2
Thanks mate! :-)
FaberOptime 2 years ago
im a 150 miles away from london so i will have time to build a shelter lol it will take 2 days for fallout to reach
i would pile up matresses
ekul97 2 years ago 2
That presumes favourable winds!
Or indeed that you would not run out of food in the midst of a nuclear winter... :-(
Don't be fooled - hiding under the table(/mattresses!) is not likely to save your life!
Avoiding a nuclear attack ever happening is the only way to ensure the outcome you and we all desire.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
ino ide build a shelter and pile matress on the side
ekul97 2 years ago
Unlikely to be sufficient for most. :-(
FaberOptime 2 years ago
infact its 200 miles away i would go in my celler
ekul97 2 years ago
Make no mistake, even with the mightiest of cellars, air and water processing facilities and a year's worth of food stored, the chances of living through a substantial nuclear attack would be pretty minimal.
Nukes remain a mortal danger to the world and really only their decommission can decrease the risks.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
THE MUSIC IS TOO QUIET CAN BARELY HEAR IT NOW :( It's really a shame because the song goes so well... it is "ROADS" BY Portishead I know it cos I like the band
sarahk0 2 years ago
I'm sorry you're having problems.
A similar comment has been made before.
Unfortunately once a movie is published you can't update it with any improved version. :-(
Perhaps you could try listening on better speakers or headphones?
Keep listening through to get to the Floyd too!
I'm pleased you thought it(/they) go well with the content - was a tricky choice indeed...
Kind wishes.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
Don't forget to paint your windows white ....
SteveKellysVideos 2 years ago 2
Sterling advice. ;-)
Let's hope none of us ever need to!
FaberOptime 2 years ago
then again which world dominator would pop to NZ to enslave the population (miniscule) and nick the sheep? ME! I fucking love the place ( big smile!)
freddielaker2 2 years ago
Major smiles abounding!
I see you have some familiarity with the place!!
A common and popular FACT that NZ is host to more sheep than people!!
As the man on the TV says, "enjoy...paradise."!
Thanks for your kind wishes. :-)
Of course this remains an active issue for all in the nuclear armed world.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
hehe heeee :D classic! No chance of survival ! Maybe in New Zealand... so we'll be safe :)
OutlineStudio 2 years ago 2
Yes, all kiwis owe a considerable debt of gratitude to David Lange for originating his nuclear free policy.
Can't deny NZ's policy in this regard remains a significant reason as to why NZ is a country of choice for I and many others.
FaberOptime 2 years ago
I'm old enough to remember this guide and the paranoid campaign that went with it. I still have the guide somewhere, with its advice to make a "shelter" lean-to, out of old doors and boxes. (!)
Pathetic.
Thanks for posting this.
mikesey1 2 years ago
You did well to obtain copy as the government of the day made extreme efforts to ensure that public scrutiny was denied as far as it could be.
I agree, it does seem pathetic, though when you think about it, the same risks and possible personal mitigations still haven't changed.
I hope you will support initiatives to encourage Brown to reconsider replacing Britain's nuclear "deterrent".
FaberOptime 2 years ago
Not really, mate, they were delivered to every household, including mine! If we are talking of the "Protect and survive" booklet, that is.
Mike.
mikesey1 2 years ago
Hey Mike,
Did a bit of homework about this - whilst it may have been distributed by some local authorities to some communities, this was not consistently the case throughout the UK.
The booklet you referred to was produced in anticipation of a need to provide civil defence info to the public in the event of a clear and present nuclear threat.
It was never intended for general circulation (though was made available for sale in light of parliamentary/public interest).
FaberOptime 2 years ago
It certainly was produced in anticipation: a nuclear war had not happened yet!
As far as I know all London authorities gave this booklet to all households for free; ours came through the door. I worked for the MoD at the time and this was the info I was given. As for more suburban councils, perhaps they were not considered so at risk of being annihilated so didn't get a book., but I shall check.
The booklet was heavily advertised on TV.
mikesey1 2 years ago
Facinating.
Certainly local authorities led - I believe in most areas it was not freely distributed (local civil defence authority plans typically had that action held in reserve), but sold on request for 50p, as per central govt directives.
Notwithstanding the unpublished PIFs (from which this film was made), the occasional documentary and slices of government propaganda, be very curious to see/find out more about the TV ads you referred to - I had no idea there had ever even been such things!
FaberOptime 2 years ago
Hi mate. Some obtained a copy of the "Protect & Survive" book after watching a free showing of the BBC film "The War Game" which was banned from broadcast until much later. I remember the book being given out after a showing of that film, I think before it was distributed free by some local councils. The film was shown at libraries and Town halls, with a civil-defence remit.
If you can ever get to see "The War Game" It maybe as chilling as it was when first made.
mikesey1 2 years ago