Homosexual activists understand the power of words.
Please visit my channel to watch a one-minute video clip in which popular atheist author Richard Dawkins admits that homosexual activists "hijacked the word 'gay'".
The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate because it, unlike the word "gay", actually describes the behavior/attraction/relationship being discussed.
The word "gay" helps homosexual activists push their agenda.
@ctes85 You mentioned "You tell me if whether or not you're okay with, Gay Christians in your church, Women Preachers in any churches, and hanging out with folks who eat pork and shrimp... and I'll give you my answer to your question."
@ctes85 Sure. 3 posts follow. I think these are fair questions for a Christian to ask. And perhaps your point is about ensuring we consistently apply Old Testament and New Testament teachings. Maybe you’ve read writings about comparing dietary restrictions and sexual acts and the cultural context argument for women’s responsibilities in the Church. If you’re Christian, sounds like your are, and have given some thought to these you probably know there isn’t room in Youtube posts to really address
Post 2. So I’ll go straight to application discussion (vs doctrine) as you asked me to do. I think a professing Christian committing homosexual acts should ponder the applicable Bible passages, seek counsel from their pastor, and pray. If this Christian say brought another person of the same sex to church and was holding hands, kissing, or otherwise making it well known they were committing homosexual acts, they would come under the discipline of the church.
Post 3. Women have many gifts, talents, and abilities to minister to the church. I think their responsibilities do not include official/public teaching in the Church. I think men are responsible for this activity. This in no way diminishes the spiritual equality of women who were created in the image of God just as men. I do eat shrimp and pork and am very glad to be able to enjoy them under the new covenant (aka New Testament).
@ctes85 You’re right in your comment about the sin of explicit sexuality in America. There is a lot of it going on that God directly says is against His will. Whether it's fornication or other forms of sexual immorality. It's wrong for someone to say people committing homosexual acts are the vilest most disgusting people and then turn around and commit adultery, watch porn, fornicate with their live in girlfriend, etc. Check out I Thessalonians Ch 4, and Ephesians ch 5.
@ctes85 Hello. Well, to be honest, no, I wouldn't want to live in a country where I couldn't worship God. I used to believe in Secular Humanism but don't anymore. I got tired of Hollywood telling me about religion. Turned the TV off. It was good to read the scriptures for myself. It wasn't that hard. After all it's my life at stake not Rosanne, Oprah, or George Bush's. That's what I think. If I might ask, what do you think happens to us when we die?
@pwrmx24 I tell you what. You tell me if whether or not you're okay with, Gay Christians in your church, Women Preachers in any churches, and hanging out with folks who eat pork and shrimp... and I'll give you my answer to your question....
Also think on this Dept of Defense instruction 1325.6 says military members "must reject participations in organizations that........espouse or engage in efforts to deprive individuals of their civil rights." Active participation includes "fund raising, recruiting and training members, organizing or leading such organizations, or otherwise engaging in activities in relation to such organizations or in furtherance of the objectives of such organizations."
If your church, synagogue or mosque teaches that sodomy should be illegal, guess what? When the POTUS signs the repeal you will officially be classified a dissident and your church will be a "hate group" in the eyes of your own federal government. Why? Because you advocate discrimination and violating the civil rights of those who commit homosexual acts. Think I'm kidding? Google it and read it yourself.
@pwrmx24 And what about those citizens who don't go to churches, synagogues, and mosques? Do you still shove religion religion down their throats? How would you like it if a Muslim imposed his religion on you and told you that you can't worship Jesus or Moses?
Many people are very concerned about their tax dollars funding abortions. Rightfully so. Think about how much you will be paying for people in the military to commit homosexual acts.
For example a MSgt in AK gets $531 extra a month w/ a spouse (6,372 /yr). 10 yrs ago it was illegal to commit sodomy in many states....now you'll be paying them to do it. And that's a drop in the bucket compared to health care.
.Everyone’s amount of income tax dollars going to subsidize homosexual acts will increase dramatically very soon. How? Currently married military members receive higher housing stipends and food allowances. Spouses receive free or very low cost medical care. It’s not in the policy now, but soon those committing homosexual acts together will receive dependent status & receive the same benefits.
@swithincharottesburg It may make you feel better to mock me. But “be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” Galatians 6. Faint not swithincharottesburg, turn to Him and reap an honorable reward.
@swithincharottesburg I'm glad you asked what I think now that DADT has been repealed. To tell you the truth I am sad. Sad for those who have been deceived. Sad that the US government not only permits sin but promotes sin in this manner. Truly I don’t mean this is a self righteous way but when reading the Bible is says so plainly. Don't you think so?
@vidhead85 what does that have to do with the fact that also according to the CDC %5 of people that have HIV and AIDS are heterosexual. It is not a question of what circumstance transmits it best but a question of reality. You see the rest of us live in the real world where HIV and AIDS are reality and not your fantasized version of life.
Do you really want to see flaming faggots walking through Navy ships swinging their hips wearing lipstick and eye liner and acting even more feminine than women???? Just give it some time..It will happen
The gays are DECEIVING people into thinking only masculine faggots will join the military but there are no laws preventing EXTREMELY FEMININE faggots from joining the military...
Organizations with A LOT OF MEN attract faggots. Faggots like to be around men
@WhipGaysWithTruth Dude, get a hold of yourself. We need to understand that as long as they can do their job--them being gay has no bearing on their performance!
People like to point to the fact that imaginary translators, doctors, and pilots are being dismissed under DADT all the time. Guess who else would have been dismissed, if the law weren't to LIENIENT? That's right. Intelligence personnel who leak classified and sensitive information to foreign spies. But I guess that's what the Left wants. AIDS remains a problem. More homosexual servicemembers means more AIDS infections, which makes the members not world-wide deployable, and not sheap to treat.
The word for the status quo under Obama is Economic Malaise. Sound familiar bitches? Yep, thought so. Next.
Oh yeah, and the next time a CEO has poor earnings report, lets see the butt-surfer blame it on the guy who was there before him. Get Sacked 100% guaranteed!
@pricklypete1 Peace to you as well. I pray that we all find peace that comes from finding true reconciliation of our sins. Your concern about some people in organized religious structures manipulating people for profit is an honest one. Worship of the almighty dollar and material possessions is tempting for religious leaders and can lead to them conning their members. I think those who commit these acts will be held accountable. Do you think so as well?
@actionheat It sounds like you have thought through or studied some form of ethics. I think what you are describing is the utilitarian approach to ethics. I am interested to hear your thoughts on the question of polygamy and intimate relations with animals posed earlier.
@actionheat I am truly sorry that your friends died. I don’t know the exact circumstances of how they died but likely those who killed them are murderers and guilty of God’s commandment “you shall not kill”. Thank you for your service to America’s military.
Pricklypete1. Me hateful? Not at all. I said holy scriptures and you assumed I meant the Bible and Jesus. Are you as quick to denounce a Muslim? Evidently you hate me and are going to slap me because Jesus asked you to. Who's hateful here? I don't hate gays. Their action is a sin. Doesn't mean I hate them. Let me ask you a question. Are you in favor of legalizing sex with animals and having more than one wife? They are both consensual sexual activities.
@pwrmx24 let people be people. Im a bisexual male, 26 and iraq veteran who served five years in the army. I saw bullets fly and IEDs go off. I lost ten friends overseas. I am an equal activist and i will say this bluntly: "If it doesnt affect my paycheck, fuck it. if it doesnt affect my ozone layer, fuck it. If it doesn't affect me, then fuck it. Let people be people. And as a matter of fact, go get shot at and blowed up. I bet you wont be speaking in tongues. I tell all "holier art thou's" that
You mean let a flaming extremely feminine faggot walk around on a battle field swinging his hips, licking his lips and trying his best to get his STRAIGHT crushes attention???? Faggot's brains aren't fit to be in the military.
You never have been in the military. I have been in for 6 years. Not once I ever saw anything remotely close to that. But hey, when you give idiots like you an opinion about an institution you dont have the balls to join, this is the response you get. Get your facts straight dumb ass
"Not once I ever saw anything remotely close to that"
Of course dumb ass because faggots weren't allowed to be themselves but that's about to change. On thing for sure, queers show a pattern of overly expressing their sexuality when ever they aren't being regulated...EX. In gay parades, the half naked bodies and ass shaking is completely unneccessary and over doing it
@WhipGaysWithTruth said, "queers show a pattern of overly expressing their sexuality when ever they aren't being regulated...EX. In gay parades,..."
So I guess the Straight people don't count when they too overly expressing their sexuality in Mardis Gras, or videos like GIRLS GONE WILD, or Rio de Janeiro, Nude resorts all over the world, etc. huh...
@puertoritalian1 I agree with you there. My family has served in every war in American history from the American Revolution to present day Iraq and Afghanistan. I have an ancestor that fought in the American Revolution when he was 15, back when men were men. A great statement that you should read is Col. John Ripley's testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee in 1993 on the preservation of the ban on homosexuals in the military. It is amazing. He is right on with every point of his.
@pwrmx24 You're right, I presumed your "Holy Scripture" reference was pertaining to Christianity. I likely presumed that because Christianity happens to be the man-made fairytale for profit that I was indoctrinated into as a kid. But I fault all organized religions equally. They are all lies, followed blindly by well intended people. If you cast a wide brush over a huge # of people and claim they aren't worthy of love and compassion by your God's standard. I say that God is man made BS. Peace
sharing ideas / pwrmx24 : Jesus asked me to slap you in the face for hiding behind his name to spread your hateful bullshit. You should be ashamed of yourselves. If you knew the first thing about the bible pwrm, you would know that it was written by mere mortal men who never even met Jesus and was then translated and edited in the accordance w/ the biases of hundreds more mere mortal men. If you call that "Holy Scripture" then you are, in effect, worshiping a false God. You are the abomination.
It is so wrong to be gay, just like it is wrong in the animal kingdom. Feminine looking men should be with Masculine looking women, that is how it is supposed to be, so that they can still procreate. Instead they choose to go with their own gender which is so unnatural. If the world does not see what gays are doing, then they are blind. They are simply promoting themselves so that the whole world can become gay like themselves. These men are simply corrupting the world, the goal of the devil.
@sharingideas The recruitment theory is so TIRED! Please, no one can make anyone gay! Any more than you can correctively force a man to be straight by forcing him to have sex with women!
The survey did not ask whether the policy should be repealed only the impact of the repeal. It does not reflect the true opinion of the military. Military commanders per the UCMJ are required to uphold unit morals (note not just morale). If gays are allowed to serve openly, commanders must be relieved of this responsibility. There is much focus regarding unit cohesion & military readiness. While readiness is an important issue the moral uprightness of the military is as important. (cont)
Homosexuality is an abomination. Anyone who thinks they can read the holy scriptures and see in it otherwise is deluding themselves. If we do not establish our morals on a firm foundation, we are at the mercy of a drifting ethical foundation of doing whatever feels good. This attitude will continue downward spiral of America’s greatness. (cont)
If the end justifies the means then anyone who can provide a “useful” benefit to the military should be allowed to serve. This means bigamists, necrophiliacs, and those who commit beastiality should be allowed to serve as well, as long as they can fight well. Send out a survey that asks if a convicted bigamist would have a negative impact on unit cohesion and you will likely get similar results. (end)
Sub-Saharan Africa 20.9 million - 24.3 million cases of AIDS. These people are most likely heterosexual and many governments in Africa would deny that homosexuality even exists in their country. AIDS does not discriminate and it is not a gay disease. where are you getting your facts?
I was replying to a comment made by user 'palatiality.' That is who I was referring my comment about AIDS to.
She obviously didn't hear about the 1150+ signatures of high ranking officers that signed a document asking Obama not to repeal DADT. 51 of those signatures were 4 star generals. I don't think that she interviewed them.
@palatiality you're correct. Although AIDS is climbing in the gay community, heterosexuals lead the world population in AIDS cases, most probably undiagnosed. Think Africa.
Haven't the fucking fagots used sexual favors to steal jobs from enough Americans? We've had double the unemployment and the global ecconomy has gone tits up ever since the Hollywood Gay Mafia controlling the Media replaced the Republican Congress Bush had for his first 6 years and Clinton for the last 6 with Gay libbers.
@Texasjim2007 Your a fucking idiot. You think calling homesexuals "faggots" makes u sound cool to all these people? NO look at ur comment. its marked SPAM. You know what that means? NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR UR B.S. GROW.up. And grow some balls.
I don't think don't ask don't tell should be changed for they're own safety. Not that it bothers me that they're gay but it may bother some of the people. And who knows, accidents do happen. I would think twice about doing cpr on a gay person and thats not good. Its a safety issue.
In accodance with the Army Values, there should be no issues with having Gays and Lesbians in the military. We all adhear to the same values and rules.We are all take care of each other.
Loyalty- Bear true faith and allegiance to the U.S. constitution, the Army, and other soldiers.
Respect- Rely upon the golden rule.
Selfless Service-Put the welfare of the nation, the Army, and your subordinates before your own.
@Sylverlyf Trust in the Lord Jesus Christ not in yourselves.. Gays need to be helped and God can Heal and help in any situation, And that means ANY Situation.
If a male soldier doesnt want his body looked at by anyone (gays or not) that is his affair. He can report that to his commander if it happens. It is not Obama's business nor any gay rights group to force it. His body is his, and if he is married his wife does not want her husbands body looked at and lusted over by gays.
Give it up already all you homophobics, the scarlet letter went out with the dark ages, slavery was abolished, Hitler was defeated, gay marraige was legalized...we are a continent who stands for FREDDOM OF RIGHTS, I say abolish the law that states that you can not be GAY and serve in the Military...
@cadhoo4 Trust in the Lord Jesus Christ not in yourselves.. Gays need to be helped and God can Heal and help in any situation, And that means ANY Situation.
If a male soldier doesnt want his body looked at by anyone (gays or not) that is his affair. He can report that to his commander if it happens. It is not Obama's business nor any gay rights group to force it. His body is his, and if he is married his wife does not want her husbands body looked at and lusted over by gays.
By the way, for all of those who support DADT, look at this video. Did you all see Retired US Army Major General Vance Coleman, an African-American who was IN the military when it was segregated. He states the obvious, don't ask don't tell is just separate but equal by another name.
whatever...a lot of African-Americans don't equate being gay towards being black and most of them are Christian and have an even lower opinion of homosexuality. Have you ever Served in the military? I talk with active dtuty troops all the time and none of the ones I have talked with have ever said to me that they didn't care if they served with openly gay troops. Most of them support the ban.
@3dartistguy, Yes I did serve in the military. You can discount the similarities all you want but many white US Servicemembers would not have want have wanted to serve with blacks in 1948 when President Truman desegreated the US Armed Forces. After all it was supposed to disrupt morale, unit cohesion, good order and discipline. Shouldn't we have defered to their wishes?
yOU DON'T THINK HOMOSEXUALS SERVING OPENLY, LIVING IN THE SAME QUARTERS, SHOWERING WON'T DISRUPT MORALE, UNIT COHESION AND GOOD ORDER AND DISCIPLINE? THE REASON WHY THE MILITARY WORKS IS BECAUSE EVERYONE IS PERCEIVED THE SAME, NOT DIFFERENT. GAYS SERVING OPENLY WILL DISRUPT ALL THAT. WHY DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO TELL EVERYONE? ITS NONE OF ANYONE'S BUSINESS EXCEPT YOUR OWN!
@3dartistguy, Everyone wears the SAME uniform, pledges an oath to the same Constitution and flag and adheres to the same grooming standards and military bearing. Aside from that, everyone IS different, different races, religions etc, etc. Gay and lesbian servicemembers will not be telling everyone!!!!! There are already gay people in conservative jobs in the civilian world like law enforcement, defense contractors etc etc. And they aren't brodcasting their business to everyone.
WOULD YOU BE HAPPY IF THEY ALLOWED GAYS BUT MADE THEM LIVE IN SEPERATE BERTHINGS? I KNOW SERVICEMEMBERS WHO DO NOT WANT TO SHARE BERTHIGNS WITH OPENLY GAY SERVICEMEMBERS, AND THIS IS REFLECTED IN THEN MILITARY TIMES POLL THAT SAID 51 PERCENT DO NOT WANT THE BAN ENDED.
@3dartistguy, Okay and lets call it 'separate but equal'. How about separate drinking fountains as well and lets make gay servicemembers give up their seats for straights.
I really wsh the fags would stop hammering this issue to death like a dead horse. THe American troops DO NOT want the ban to END. They do NOT want to bunk alongside openly gay servicemembers whch is why now they are even protesting the Pentagon's massive survery policy from the troops because they know the troops don't want the ban to end.;
@3dartistguy lol psst, here is a hint there are already gay men bunked next them lol There are already gays in the military especially the marines. They aren't going to have sex with you. Unless you are unzipping your pants for them. lol :D
The dfference is of course is that the fags are silent. They want to tell everyone just to further their gay agenda. It does no harm not to tell, but they want to tell, and no one wants to know, especia;lly n the Marnes. I know lots of Marnes that I have questioned on this issue and they don't want the ban lifted, becuase they don't want to know, which reflects the 51 percent majoirty that doesn't want the ban lifted.
@3dartistguy how does knowing and not know change anything? LOL are YOU spending hours in the showers wanting a guy to stare at you? And if 51 percent don't want it changed then roughly the same percent or half want it to be changed. What harms people is constantly lying about themselves especially when they are hounded to talk about their personal lives in downtime. Besides what it the Gay agenda? Getting blown up to fight for YOUR rights as they are still 2nd class citizens?
Obviously it DOES make a difference to the active duty trooops. Look, when I was actived duty, my shipmates believed me to be gay because of the harrassment that I received from my LPO. When they believed I was gay, they treated me like a LEPER. I still have old shipmates that won't have anything to do with me because they believe me to be gay, which I am not, but no how matter much I protest, they still believe me to be gay, whcih I am and won't have anyhting to do with me!
@3dartistguy Okay but what does that have to do with the DADT policy? Where superior officers discharge gay troops? That was just your experience of unprofessional people. Are you honestly trying to convince me that cause your shipmates acted like fools, we should protect their fragile ego's? See you don't know how much of a stress it is to continually make up stories and lies to convince people your not gay. Add that to a someone trying to protect their country. Pathetic
Well Geff, Asshole, if they can harrass someone who isn't gay that they believe to be gay, just think of what they will do if we were to have, god forbid, troops serving openly gay? I have talked with troops and these are just not a few. The military overall does not like this. THey don't believe gays should be serving openly, and there would be a LOT of trouble if troops could serve openly. Why do think there are male and female heads? Men and women can't sleep together in the same berthings...
@3dartistguy, Have you thought of the fact that having DADT on the books gives the okay for troops harrass troops that are or believed to be gay. If such actions were against the law the troops would follow. Yes, I was in the military as well.
@3dartistguy Actually I have talked to a few army guys. They really don't give a shit. I am glad thought that you can talk for all the military, not just ALL of the marines. Troops follow orders they would comply with a repeal. The same way with desegregation. All you really are pushing here is to force people to fear being fired for who they are. That and encourage our troops to be unprofessional, incompetent hate mongers. Oh and in the last comment you admitted to being gay. LOL
Who admitted to being gay? I never did/. Again, I have served alongside active duty, and I have talked with them about this issue, and the attidute reflects the 51 percent that do not want the ban ended, you may have talked with a few of your faggot friends in the military who want the ban to ended, but again,t he fact is that servicememebrs DO NOT want the ban ended, and I support them and the ban because this is what they want because they do not want to know that someone is gay!
@3dartistguy Yes because all those straight people like you perfer to live secreatly with Gay roomates You like it but dont want to have to admit it. Some of the best troops I worked with were gay and they were great roomates. If I had to snuggle with someone to stay warm well give me a good smelling well groomed gay guy every time; over some smelly straight guy who probably isint have sex with any one but himself anyway.
You're assuming that all stright men are smelly and not well groomed? Ive never worked with any gay troops. I was thought to be gay when I was in the military and i was treated like a lepar for it. Gays were not welcome with open arms just a mere five years ago. My command didn't care about the long stream of complaints that I had against my supervisor who routinely disrespected, embarrassed and humilated me while on the job serving my country on deployment.
@3dartistguy No of corse not I am pushing buttons. I can imagine how you might have felt I was often accused of being gay but usually by men who couldnt pick up a girl as easy as I could in a bar or disco. I was more often called a gigilo than anything else. I guess being a closet bi is eaisier than being open gay that is for sure. I wish I had been around to put my foot in your supervisers ass! Good luck now anyway...
too bad that the hypocritical Service members legal defense fund refused to take up my case to help me get back into the military. They just didn't care about the sexual harrassment I received while in the Navy and the Navy clearly didn't care to follow their own regulations regarding sexual harrassment. THey just come up with other reasons to get rid of suspected gays by saying they have "adjustment disorder" or something else. I found the military not a very honorable institution.
So let me get this stright, you have NEVER served in the Armed forces, and you probably never will serve because of the Don't Ask DOn't Tell policy that won't allow you to flaunt your Pervision and seduce solders that you wnat to force your homosexual lifestyle on and you want to use the military as a social experiement in order to further your perverted social agenda? Right? I am right.
@3dartistguy; A "social experiement"? That is what the racial desegreation of the US Military was supposed to be in 1948. General Omar Bradley, one of the most respected military leaders of the time, openly critisised President Truman for the "social engineering" of our military. The admission of female midshipmen at Annapolis and Cadets at West Point in 1976 was also called a "social experiement" by critics.
NO ONE IN THE MILITARY gives a crap whether you are gay. What the give a crap about is sharing the same quarters, showering and living with openly gay people. You still not have answered my question about why there are male and female berthings and bathrooms. Having gays serve openly and everyone knowing they are gay disrupts all that. again, no one wants to know,and you don't have to know. Again, I was treted like a lepar because of people just thinking I was gay whcih i am not.
@3dartistguy and everyone knowing they are gay disrupts all that" Those who make a scene can be disciplined; discharged if necessary. Bigots aren't allowed in any modern military already, strictly speaking. Including yours. Ok, so why are these people allowed to hijack US politics?
WELL I TELL YA SOMEHTING, I WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE AN OPENLY GAY CORPSMAN TOUCHING ME IN ANYWAY. I WOULDN';T WANT AN OPENLY GAY DOCTOR TOUCHING ME AND GETTING HIS THRILLS. I WOULDN'T WANT TO SHOWER WITH AN OPENLY GAY SERVICEMEMBER. I WOULDNT WANT TO SLEEP OR SHARE A RACK WITH AN OPENLY GAY SERVICEMEMBER. I WOULDNT' WANT TO UNDRESS IN FRONT OF AN OPENLY GAY SERVICEMMEBER. IS THAT SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU?
@3dartistguy@3dartistguy And if you're in the military, or have been, why did you join? Because you suppressed your concern and anticipated you would successfully stick it though. Ok, and that's under DADT. So what difference would it make if gay and bi personnel aren't kicked out anymore if outed? The impact change is obviously 0, they're kicked out if outed, not for misconduct.
i JOINED TO SERVE MY COUNTRY AND BECAUSE I HAD NO OTHER OPTIONS SINCE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION WAS KEEPING ME FROM GETTING EMPLOYED SINCE EMPLOYERS ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE RACE AND GENDER MORE IMPORTANT THAN SOMEONE'S QUALIFICATIONS. The fact of that matter is that I did not tell anyone about my private business and neither should gay troops because stright acttve troops do not want to know that someone is openly gay who is sharing extrmely close quarters with them.Why don't you people understand?
@3dartistguy First of all typing in capitals doesn't help, second affirmative action in other fields of employment doesn't force you to pursue a military career. And thirdly your argument in not wanting to share 'close quarters' is fraudulent as not are you doing it with gay people anyway but obviously happens in other fields in society. If you want the military to be some kind of escape from society, then you're pretty unusual. Almost paranoid from the sound of it.
Well how do I get you people to understand if i don't use caps? You obviously can't read or comprehend. ANd yes, the military was my best option at the time...becauase the military didn't discriminate against me for being a qualified, educated, normal stright Christian white male like the civilian world did and STILL does even under your false god, the great messiah,the One, Barack Obama. Again, no service member I know wants the ban lifted, so stop deluding yourself. The troops DO care.
It isn't bigotry and I greately resent that. God himself in the Bible has condomned homosexuality and those who practice it. You are essentially asking the US Government to condone SIN, and thats just not going to fly with the American people, or most normal, Christian people, even other Christian minority groups are not favor of homosexuality. Are you calling GOD and his followers bigots? Well we got GOD himself on our side. Whom doyou have?
@3dartistguy "God himself in the Bible has condomned homosexuality" no he doesn't. St. Augustine appears to in Lecivitus, however I'm not going to take a lecture on morality from someone who used prostitutes. Plust the US is a republic, no law can be made based on religion there, legally. Just because something is legalised doesn't mean the government ENDORSES it. Tobacco smoking is legal, but it's heavily taxed & its advertising is banned, etc. Prostitution is legal, but children barred, etc.
Ah, yes, God DOES. , Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." 1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals"
@3dartistguy; By the way, congress has all but set in motion the repeal of the "Don't Ask. Don't Tell" Law. By next year the law will likely be history. The Congressional charge was lead by US Representative Patrick Murphy, a former US Army Captain, the FIRST OIF veteran to serve in congress. Come the fall of 2011, DADT will be repealled and it will be a big non event. The only difference will be that gay and lesbian servicemembers will not be subject to this bs and codified bigotry.
I wouldn't get your hopes up dude. By this November Obama will be a LAME DUCK and that bill will be history when the new Congress takes over. There are still a lot of members of COngress who are against ending the ban, chief among them is SENATOR JOHN MCCCAIN, THE CHAIRMEN OF THE SENATE ARMED FOCES WHO IS AGAINST ENDING THE BAN.
@3dartistguy, Most of the troops don't care. If you watched this video, there was USMC SSG Alva who lost his leg in the onset of OIF in March 2003. He told some of his fellow Marines that he was gay and they didn't care.
Dude, I don't know you get your numbers, but the military times conducted a poll and the poll was ACCURATE. In fact, the pentagon is now asking troops, 200 thousand of them, so we'll see when the results come back. But again, I wouldn't get your hopes up because again, 51 percent support the ban and Ive never not one active duty servicemember say otherwise.
@Savior20061 If you have the bravery to speak out against someone then you need to let them reply to you in return instead of blocking them. It shows your lack of courage and honor. No backbone in liberals.
@assault82nd What are you talking about? I didn't block you. You never even commented on my channel. That's whats so funny about conservatives like you. You make a brazen mistake and following that mistake you make an even more brazen generalization about liberals.
Comparing Affirmative Action, essentially a program meant to combat a highly discriminatory job market even in post-Civil Rights US, that in fact, would neglect to look at credentials simply because someone wasn't the default of white, to homosexuals in the military is absurd, just as it's absurd to use ad hominem attacks against Macabre. "For every homo we loose, we can replace them with a qualified straight man?"How does what one does in the bedroom make them more or less qualified for an MOS?
THEY SHOULD LEAVE THE POLICY AS IT IS. THE TROOPS DO NOT WANT THE POLICY TO END. SERVICEMEMBERS DO WANT TO SERVE ALONGSIDE OPENLY GAY SERVICEMEMBERS IN THE EXTREMELY CLOSE QUARTERS IN WHICH THEY LIVE.
Why because I state a factual opinion that you don't like? Im a servicemember, and I know personally that servicemembers DO NOT this policy to end by a overwhelming magin of 51 percent, as detailed in the Navy Ttimes. There are millions of critically needed people who aren't gay who are being removed for reasons other than being just gay. Being openly gay in the military isn't wanted or needed.
@3dartistguy I don't like bigotry, which is what this is. The argument against the repeal of DADT illogically refers to how a heterosexual relationship is different than a homosexual one; this is where your "factual opinion" is flawed. The idea that having people who are homosexual in the military some how weakens it, isn't even remotely factual. Not to mention the precedent of stigma against homosexuals, that would actually cause statistics like you point out to be flawed, so embrace antiquity.
Oh really? So how do you feel about Affirmative Action which makes a person's race and geder more important than their qualifications? Ive been denied a lot of civilian jobs soley on the basis that Im a white male and the fact that the government pressures businesses to hire minorities.So I'd like to hear your opinion about that. As for homos, they aren't wanted or needed. For every homo they get rid of, they can get a qualified stright man to take their place.
@3dartistguy "Affirmative action is the set of public policies and initiatives designed to help eliminate past and present discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, is under attack." That's what affirmative action is, stop listening to neo-cons and drinking the kool aid. I would have answered sooner, but I figured you wouldn't be able apprehend. Clearly you wanted to be abused more, because AGAIN your cognition is almost nonexistent.
well I can say is that two wrongs don't make a right. I had nothing to do ith any of the historic wrongs of the past and so I shouldn't be denied employment because i am not a minority. Every time I apply for a job, some employer is only interested in wht my race and gender is and they ask me, and after I tell them that I am a white male, they don't hire me. Explain that! Sounds like Reverse Discrimination to me, asshole, and its just as discriminatory as "don't ask, don't tell" is.
Ahaha, "I have worked with different countries, like Britain, France, England, the Italians. Also, we are the #1 in every world faucet, the world waits for us to move, so that they can follow."
LlSTEN UP! FACT OF THE MATTER IS, GAY MEN ARE CHILD MOLESTERS AT 27 TIMES THE RATE OF STRAIGHT MEN. GAYS ARE TYPICALLY COWARDS. THEY'D DO NO MORE THAN OGLE OTHER G.I.'s IN THE SHOWER, AND HAVE NO PLACE IN OUR MILITARY OR OUR WORLD FOR THAT MATTER! THEY REALLY SHOULD BE ROUNDED UP AND EXILED TO AIDS ISLAND AND SINCE THEY CANT BUTT-PROCREATE WE'D BE RID OF THEM ALL IN 1 GENERATION. SAY NO TO GAYS IN THE ARMY, SCHOOLS, CHURCH, MARRIAGE & YOUR WORKPLACE & NEIGHBORHOODS. ACT UP AGAINST GAYS!!
Why do we even trust a military report filed during a time of homophobia? It is no different than accepting the Crittenden report! For those of you who don't know, this report was filed in 1957 (possibly 67) to study on whether gays posed a military defense risk to this nation and if proven true they would effectively be banned from service.
The report came out that homoesexuals pose a risk- the true result came out in the late 1980/early90's that there was no risk! Our Pentagon lied to millions of people for over 3 decades- what's to stop them now?
@Savior20061 LOL............probably because you make no sense. I will be posting the facts soon. And get over your damn racism. I get so sick and tired of hearing all you blacks complaining about racism. It always comes up as an excuse for your shortfalls yourself. Is there any conversation we could have without bringing in the race card for sympathy?
@Savior20061 Mark says are you aware that Martin Luther King voted republican in the 1950s? Yep he sure did and he voted for Eisenhower. You can type in "martin luther king votes for eisenhower" or martin luther king votes republican on google and you'll see it pop right up.
I really love it how people try to make this a "liberal" vs "conservative" issue when it really has nothing to do with politics at all. This is about simple right and wrong, so anyone that brings up a reference to political ideology is automatically showing their true colors. They don't really care about equal rights at all, only that their political views are represented by the military. Pathetic!
@ usamericanz Um, speaking from personal experience on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" how do you justify this policy? It just put a name to the face of what existed before 1993 as dino said. Are you saying that my sacrifice to serve doesn't mean anything? We're all Americans here. You want to go after something to not agree with, how about all the married service members that cheat on their wives over seas. I don't see adultery taken care of nearly as much as gays and lesbians in the military.
@Marksnotebook Exactly, if the mission is to destroy the enemy, the number one tool for that is people. If people are being kicked out for stupid reasons that don't affect their performance than the mission fails.
@iamrye Mark says we have always had plenty of people serving and will always continue to have plenty of people without being openly gay. This has nothing to do with it. Poor excuse.
@Marksnotebook Really? Is that why the military has been scraping form the bottle of the barrel lately, approving waivers from convicted felons including sex offenders.
@Savior20061 Mark says hardly! The fact is by all the polling and military information most military personnel are more well educated than people like you. So you can take that and stick it in your stupid pipe and smoke it "Savior" What a name to mock god. That is sick.
@Savior20061 MARK SAYS HOW IS IT THAT UNDER REAGAN WE HAD 2 MILLION VOLUNTARY MEN UNDER ARMS AND NEVER HAD ANY RECRUITMENT PROBLEMS BUT NOW WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT 1 MILLION AND YOU LIBS SEEM TO BELIEVE WE CAN'T FIND PEOPLE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ALLOWING A FEW GAYS TO SERVE OPENLY? THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT I HAVE EVER HEARD. IF SOMEBODY TRULY LOVES THEIR COUNTRY THEY WILL SERVE IT WELL. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF PATRIOTISM? STOP COMPLAINING AND WINING. I GET SICK OF IT.
@Savior20061 Mark says you are not responding to my questions with answers. Are you running out of ideas on how to deal with a conservative? I stand firm on my beliefs. I don't back down for nobody. I will never support a liberal agenda and I believe there is right and wrong in life. There are few if any gray areas in life. You are either a good or a bad or misguided person. Those are the facts. And besides, the military has decided and the law remains as it was before.
@Marksnotebook Savior says, I've already responded to you, look at the post below. Trust me, I've dealt with conservative smarter than you, who weren't as big-headed, who STILL couldn't give any supported arguments for this flawed DADT policy.
Of course there are grey areas in life. Only children think in terms of black and white. I'd say neocons do as well, but since they're hypocrites, that's out.
@Marksnotebook Mark, if you were in the military, you would know by serving that there are NOT enough men and women to get the job done. If you are in the military, then you are either not paying attention, or are working in a career that is highly manned. I welcome a good discussion. So give me one non-religious reason that is sound as to why gays shouldn't serve that isn't unconstitutional. To say that morale would be affected is not a reason simply because gays are already actively serving.
@iamrye Mark says, under Reagan we had 2 million men in the military. All voluntary! We managed quite well. And we had the Soviet Threat! Now why is it that during the height of the cold war with more troops deployed all over the globe that we managed fine but cannot manage now with about 1 million less under arms? How is it that this nation managed for over 200 years without open gays serving? Why is it that all of the sudden things need to change? Caution now!
@Marksnotebook Also, where in the constitution does it say anything about legally discriminating against men who love men or women who love women? It doesn't. You can argue that "founding fathers" rhetoric but the founding fathers comprised of many types of men some of which were so visionary that they wrote the constitution for people like gays, blacks, .... so that one day, when society woke up, just as it did with women's and blacks rights, we can move forward as a whole. Until that day...
@iamrye Mark says 52 of the 56 framers of the constitution were Christian. Jefferson stated this fact: "No nation can survive without religion and the Christian religion is the best in the world" I can quote more on our fantastic founders. If you are trying to tell me that the left is far more righteous or loving and tolerant than the religious people of this country and conservatives you are sorely mistaken. Take a look at Greece and socialist Europe on the brink now.
@Savior20061 Mark says you liberals always go to Wikipedia and site that stupid Treaty of Tripoli. We do not go by the treaty of Tripoli. We go by our constitution! Jefferson stated this: Religion is a must for a nation to survive. Chritianity is the best religion in the world. 52 of the 56 framers were Christian. Our nation was founded by Christians! And Van Jones is a communist. Plus he withdrew his nomination for being too radical!
@Marksnotebook Firstly, you shouldn't confuse Greece's economic issues with this conversation. Secondly, Jefferson is 1 of the 56 framers, and one which owned slaves because this was the "norm". He did not want to own slaves and strongly supported reform. However this was not a popular idea in the 1700's (kinda like gays in the mil) but eventually society (kinda like socialism) came around and did whats right and made the law equal. My kinda god-fearing man.
@iamrye I will quote many more framers who were Christian. 52 of the 56 were! Also why do you dodge the fact that this nation has gotten along fine since the beginning of time regarding our miltiary which its mission is to protect this nation? I stated under Reagan we had 2 million men. That was all volunteer. How did we manage then but can't manage now? That was my question and you keep dodging it.
@Marksnotebook When you say gotten along fine, yes the core mission of the military has been and is being accomplished, but not without great sacrifice to the members serving some of which is unnecessary. Why put more stress on the men and women serving by saying that they can't love who they want to love or be with who they want to be with. If you were in mil you would know that the success of higher ranking officers depends on the bond between their spouse. Ask any O-6/E-7 and up.
@iamrye Mark says...put more stress? What do you mean? Explain more stress. Most military members could care less if a man speaks out that he is gay. They are not there to socialize but to do a job and protect this nation. You still have not explained why under Reagan we managed with an all 2 million voluntary military but we cannot do this now with half that amount? When will I get my answer to that? And Straights should talk to their spouses as it is the lifestyle that works. lol
@Marksnotebook apparently you have never served in the mil. If you have you would realize just how stressful the military life can be. For one servicemember to try and handle this on their own is expecting too much. Allowing all members to have their spouse(gay or straight) would increase mission success because of the stress it would reduce.
If you think that straight people should be allowed to have spouses, you should open your eyes at the hundreds of thousands of gay couples "that work"
@iamrye Mark says please don't make me sick with this love shit stuff in the military. The military is a job. When you are at a job you do your job and don't think about loving someone. You think about keeping from getting killed in the military and protecting your partner! Yes, straight people do love each other and its normal. That is fine. But gays are different than straights. Marriage is the bedrock of society and always will be.
@Marksnotebook And one more thing, since ianswered your question, answer mine? Where in the constitution does it say anything about legally discriminating against men who love men or women who love women?
@iamrye Mark says it does not say anything about discrimination. But the gay lifestyle is not normal. And this nation was founded upon Christian principles and marriage has been the bedrock of society in all countries since the beginning of time. To change that to a radical agenda like gay is crazy. When something works, leave it alone. Gays never stay together anyway or they cheat on their partners all the time or together have 3 ways! God help us.
@Marksnotebook "it does not say anything about discrimination. But..." Thank you for arguing my point for me. AND you have no right to say it isn't normal because you aren't that minority! Interracial marriages weren't normal, but we evolved didn't we? Look at several other countries where it IS now normal because their laws force people like you to accept it.
The next time i see a straight orgy, cheater, non christianin will from then on assume you are the same because you are straight???
@iamrye Mark says I know more about the gay lifestyle than you might think. Stop assuming you know what I'm thinking and quit putting words into my mouth you asshole! You do that a lot like a typical liberal. Don't compare minority marriages with gay! That is incomparable! The law will NOT change. The military has already decided that they are going to leave it don't ask, don't tell. I will continue with My God who screwed up your mind to to constantly act paranoid and assume!
@iamrye Mark says, I know more than you think about gay men. Bath houses run rampant with orgies. You dont' see that with straights. Straight marriages are usually stable and last a lifetime or only one divorce. People like stability for their kids and themselves. Gay partnerships by the time of 40 years will average 10 to 20. Many gay men have had sex with 200 to 1000 people by age 35. All statistics show marriage works. But if we continue to throw out morals it won't.
@Savior20061 Pew poll research, family research council and other polls and statistics show this to be true. I know for a fact as I have been around gays and that is true. Bars, bath houses, gay resorts and other places are full of whoring around, multiple sex partners and so forth. Are you gay? I'd like to know since you claim to know so much but only are brainwashed at 19 years. Very sad. Learning take time. And you have a lot to learn yet.
@Marksnotebook The Family Research Council is biased in favor of conservative philosophy and Pews polls are no different.
No, I'm not gay. I just approve of a minority group being kicked around for no good reason. Second of all, it's easy to call someone "brainwashed" when their opinions aren't the same as yours.
@Savior20061 Yes you are a minority and its a shame you have been brainwashed by the likes of Jackson and Sharpton, the ambulance chasers and that damn Black panther group. God help you. If you would listen to black leaders like Armstrong Williams, Allan Keyes, Ward Connely, J.C. Watts, Michael Steele, Ken Blackwell, Larry Elders, Shelby Steele, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams and more, that would help you out a lot.
@Savior20061 Mark continues..........no minority group is being kicked around. Get over it. Get that damn chip off of your shoulder. Let me ask you a very important question and I'd like an honest answer............Why is our country being torn apart presently like never before?
@Marksnotebook 1. That's what I'm talking about. Conservatives honestly think there's no racism anymore, at least as far as whites are concerned.
2. Like never before? Remember that Civil War thing? THAT was a torn apart country. Our country is not torn apart. People are just divided in politics, same as they have always been.
@Savior20061 Mark says well you are brainwashed and wrong. The republican party and Lincoln freed the slaves. It has always been the republican party that helped blacks out. The republican party wants blacks to find work but the democratic party puts hatred into the hearts and minds of black people and tries to make you and many like you believe that we conservatives are horrible people. It is the radical liberal left who always brings up racism. Not the GOP or conservatives.
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lightandbeautiful 2 weeks ago
funn
eric47851 6 months ago
FUCK THE GAYS THEY NEED TO BE THROW OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH
TheFishingman24 9 months ago
so anyone wanna celebrate for the REPEAL ACT 2010....WOOT WOOT?
TheActionheat 9 months ago
@ctes85 You mentioned "You tell me if whether or not you're okay with, Gay Christians in your church, Women Preachers in any churches, and hanging out with folks who eat pork and shrimp... and I'll give you my answer to your question."
Never heard back from you...
pwrmx24 1 year ago
@ctes85 All three posts are on Youtube.
pwrmx24 1 year ago
@pwrmx24 Well, DADT is repealed...so your comment doesn't matter anymore. Cheers.
jusitke07 11 months ago
@ctes85 Sure. 3 posts follow. I think these are fair questions for a Christian to ask. And perhaps your point is about ensuring we consistently apply Old Testament and New Testament teachings. Maybe you’ve read writings about comparing dietary restrictions and sexual acts and the cultural context argument for women’s responsibilities in the Church. If you’re Christian, sounds like your are, and have given some thought to these you probably know there isn’t room in Youtube posts to really address
pwrmx24 1 year ago
Post 2. So I’ll go straight to application discussion (vs doctrine) as you asked me to do. I think a professing Christian committing homosexual acts should ponder the applicable Bible passages, seek counsel from their pastor, and pray. If this Christian say brought another person of the same sex to church and was holding hands, kissing, or otherwise making it well known they were committing homosexual acts, they would come under the discipline of the church.
pwrmx24 1 year ago
Post 3. Women have many gifts, talents, and abilities to minister to the church. I think their responsibilities do not include official/public teaching in the Church. I think men are responsible for this activity. This in no way diminishes the spiritual equality of women who were created in the image of God just as men. I do eat shrimp and pork and am very glad to be able to enjoy them under the new covenant (aka New Testament).
pwrmx24 1 year ago
@ctes85 You’re right in your comment about the sin of explicit sexuality in America. There is a lot of it going on that God directly says is against His will. Whether it's fornication or other forms of sexual immorality. It's wrong for someone to say people committing homosexual acts are the vilest most disgusting people and then turn around and commit adultery, watch porn, fornicate with their live in girlfriend, etc. Check out I Thessalonians Ch 4, and Ephesians ch 5.
pwrmx24 1 year ago
@ctes85 Hello. Well, to be honest, no, I wouldn't want to live in a country where I couldn't worship God. I used to believe in Secular Humanism but don't anymore. I got tired of Hollywood telling me about religion. Turned the TV off. It was good to read the scriptures for myself. It wasn't that hard. After all it's my life at stake not Rosanne, Oprah, or George Bush's. That's what I think. If I might ask, what do you think happens to us when we die?
pwrmx24 1 year ago
@pwrmx24 I tell you what. You tell me if whether or not you're okay with, Gay Christians in your church, Women Preachers in any churches, and hanging out with folks who eat pork and shrimp... and I'll give you my answer to your question....
ctes85 1 year ago
Also think on this Dept of Defense instruction 1325.6 says military members "must reject participations in organizations that........espouse or engage in efforts to deprive individuals of their civil rights." Active participation includes "fund raising, recruiting and training members, organizing or leading such organizations, or otherwise engaging in activities in relation to such organizations or in furtherance of the objectives of such organizations."
pwrmx24 1 year ago
If your church, synagogue or mosque teaches that sodomy should be illegal, guess what? When the POTUS signs the repeal you will officially be classified a dissident and your church will be a "hate group" in the eyes of your own federal government. Why? Because you advocate discrimination and violating the civil rights of those who commit homosexual acts. Think I'm kidding? Google it and read it yourself.
pwrmx24 1 year ago
@pwrmx24 And what about those citizens who don't go to churches, synagogues, and mosques? Do you still shove religion religion down their throats? How would you like it if a Muslim imposed his religion on you and told you that you can't worship Jesus or Moses?
ctes85 1 year ago
Many people are very concerned about their tax dollars funding abortions. Rightfully so. Think about how much you will be paying for people in the military to commit homosexual acts.
pwrmx24 1 year ago
For example a MSgt in AK gets $531 extra a month w/ a spouse (6,372 /yr). 10 yrs ago it was illegal to commit sodomy in many states....now you'll be paying them to do it. And that's a drop in the bucket compared to health care.
pwrmx24 1 year ago
.Everyone’s amount of income tax dollars going to subsidize homosexual acts will increase dramatically very soon. How? Currently married military members receive higher housing stipends and food allowances. Spouses receive free or very low cost medical care. It’s not in the policy now, but soon those committing homosexual acts together will receive dependent status & receive the same benefits.
pwrmx24 1 year ago
@swithincharottesburg It may make you feel better to mock me. But “be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” Galatians 6. Faint not swithincharottesburg, turn to Him and reap an honorable reward.
pwrmx24 1 year ago
@swithincharottesburg I'm glad you asked what I think now that DADT has been repealed. To tell you the truth I am sad. Sad for those who have been deceived. Sad that the US government not only permits sin but promotes sin in this manner. Truly I don’t mean this is a self righteous way but when reading the Bible is says so plainly. Don't you think so?
pwrmx24 1 year ago
@vidhead85 what does that have to do with the fact that also according to the CDC %5 of people that have HIV and AIDS are heterosexual. It is not a question of what circumstance transmits it best but a question of reality. You see the rest of us live in the real world where HIV and AIDS are reality and not your fantasized version of life.
billyslo87 1 year ago
Do you really want to see flaming faggots walking through Navy ships swinging their hips wearing lipstick and eye liner and acting even more feminine than women???? Just give it some time..It will happen
The gays are DECEIVING people into thinking only masculine faggots will join the military but there are no laws preventing EXTREMELY FEMININE faggots from joining the military...
Organizations with A LOT OF MEN attract faggots. Faggots like to be around men
WhipGaysWithTruth 1 year ago
@WhipGaysWithTruth Dude, get a hold of yourself. We need to understand that as long as they can do their job--them being gay has no bearing on their performance!
vidhead85 1 year ago
@WhipGaysWithTruth
HAHAHAH wow you are so stupid. Where you get this from? HAHAH wow you are about the most ignorant person alive.
puertoritalian1 1 year ago
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People like to point to the fact that imaginary translators, doctors, and pilots are being dismissed under DADT all the time. Guess who else would have been dismissed, if the law weren't to LIENIENT? That's right. Intelligence personnel who leak classified and sensitive information to foreign spies. But I guess that's what the Left wants. AIDS remains a problem. More homosexual servicemembers means more AIDS infections, which makes the members not world-wide deployable, and not sheap to treat.
sgtkpf 1 year ago
Condi for President 2012
The word for the status quo under Obama is Economic Malaise. Sound familiar bitches? Yep, thought so. Next.
Oh yeah, and the next time a CEO has poor earnings report, lets see the butt-surfer blame it on the guy who was there before him. Get Sacked 100% guaranteed!
innyopti 1 year ago
@pricklypete1 Peace to you as well. I pray that we all find peace that comes from finding true reconciliation of our sins. Your concern about some people in organized religious structures manipulating people for profit is an honest one. Worship of the almighty dollar and material possessions is tempting for religious leaders and can lead to them conning their members. I think those who commit these acts will be held accountable. Do you think so as well?
pwrmx24 1 year ago
@actionheat It sounds like you have thought through or studied some form of ethics. I think what you are describing is the utilitarian approach to ethics. I am interested to hear your thoughts on the question of polygamy and intimate relations with animals posed earlier.
pwrmx24 1 year ago
@actionheat I am truly sorry that your friends died. I don’t know the exact circumstances of how they died but likely those who killed them are murderers and guilty of God’s commandment “you shall not kill”. Thank you for your service to America’s military.
pwrmx24 1 year ago
Pricklypete1. Me hateful? Not at all. I said holy scriptures and you assumed I meant the Bible and Jesus. Are you as quick to denounce a Muslim? Evidently you hate me and are going to slap me because Jesus asked you to. Who's hateful here? I don't hate gays. Their action is a sin. Doesn't mean I hate them. Let me ask you a question. Are you in favor of legalizing sex with animals and having more than one wife? They are both consensual sexual activities.
pwrmx24 1 year ago
@pwrmx24 let people be people. Im a bisexual male, 26 and iraq veteran who served five years in the army. I saw bullets fly and IEDs go off. I lost ten friends overseas. I am an equal activist and i will say this bluntly: "If it doesnt affect my paycheck, fuck it. if it doesnt affect my ozone layer, fuck it. If it doesn't affect me, then fuck it. Let people be people. And as a matter of fact, go get shot at and blowed up. I bet you wont be speaking in tongues. I tell all "holier art thou's" that
actionheat 1 year ago
@actionheat
"let people be people"
You mean let a flaming extremely feminine faggot walk around on a battle field swinging his hips, licking his lips and trying his best to get his STRAIGHT crushes attention???? Faggot's brains aren't fit to be in the military.
WhipGaysWithTruth 1 year ago
@WhipGaysWithTruth
You never have been in the military. I have been in for 6 years. Not once I ever saw anything remotely close to that. But hey, when you give idiots like you an opinion about an institution you dont have the balls to join, this is the response you get. Get your facts straight dumb ass
puertoritalian1 1 year ago
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@puertoritalian1
"Not once I ever saw anything remotely close to that"
Of course dumb ass because faggots weren't allowed to be themselves but that's about to change. On thing for sure, queers show a pattern of overly expressing their sexuality when ever they aren't being regulated...EX. In gay parades, the half naked bodies and ass shaking is completely unneccessary and over doing it
WhipGaysWithTruth 1 year ago
@WhipGaysWithTruth said, "queers show a pattern of overly expressing their sexuality when ever they aren't being regulated...EX. In gay parades,..."
So I guess the Straight people don't count when they too overly expressing their sexuality in Mardis Gras, or videos like GIRLS GONE WILD, or Rio de Janeiro, Nude resorts all over the world, etc. huh...
ctes85 1 year ago
@puertoritalian1 I agree with you there. My family has served in every war in American history from the American Revolution to present day Iraq and Afghanistan. I have an ancestor that fought in the American Revolution when he was 15, back when men were men. A great statement that you should read is Col. John Ripley's testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee in 1993 on the preservation of the ban on homosexuals in the military. It is amazing. He is right on with every point of his.
billyslo87 1 year ago
@pwrmx24 You're right, I presumed your "Holy Scripture" reference was pertaining to Christianity. I likely presumed that because Christianity happens to be the man-made fairytale for profit that I was indoctrinated into as a kid. But I fault all organized religions equally. They are all lies, followed blindly by well intended people. If you cast a wide brush over a huge # of people and claim they aren't worthy of love and compassion by your God's standard. I say that God is man made BS. Peace
pricklypete1 1 year ago
sharing ideas / pwrmx24 : Jesus asked me to slap you in the face for hiding behind his name to spread your hateful bullshit. You should be ashamed of yourselves. If you knew the first thing about the bible pwrm, you would know that it was written by mere mortal men who never even met Jesus and was then translated and edited in the accordance w/ the biases of hundreds more mere mortal men. If you call that "Holy Scripture" then you are, in effect, worshiping a false God. You are the abomination.
pricklypete1 1 year ago
It is so wrong to be gay, just like it is wrong in the animal kingdom. Feminine looking men should be with Masculine looking women, that is how it is supposed to be, so that they can still procreate. Instead they choose to go with their own gender which is so unnatural. If the world does not see what gays are doing, then they are blind. They are simply promoting themselves so that the whole world can become gay like themselves. These men are simply corrupting the world, the goal of the devil.
sharingideas 1 year ago
@sharingideas The recruitment theory is so TIRED! Please, no one can make anyone gay! Any more than you can correctively force a man to be straight by forcing him to have sex with women!
vidhead85 1 year ago
The survey did not ask whether the policy should be repealed only the impact of the repeal. It does not reflect the true opinion of the military. Military commanders per the UCMJ are required to uphold unit morals (note not just morale). If gays are allowed to serve openly, commanders must be relieved of this responsibility. There is much focus regarding unit cohesion & military readiness. While readiness is an important issue the moral uprightness of the military is as important. (cont)
pwrmx24 1 year ago
Homosexuality is an abomination. Anyone who thinks they can read the holy scriptures and see in it otherwise is deluding themselves. If we do not establish our morals on a firm foundation, we are at the mercy of a drifting ethical foundation of doing whatever feels good. This attitude will continue downward spiral of America’s greatness. (cont)
pwrmx24 1 year ago
@pwrmx24 I guess DADT is dead in the water. Whadya think now, 24? ;)
swithincharottesburg 1 year ago
If the end justifies the means then anyone who can provide a “useful” benefit to the military should be allowed to serve. This means bigamists, necrophiliacs, and those who commit beastiality should be allowed to serve as well, as long as they can fight well. Send out a survey that asks if a convicted bigamist would have a negative impact on unit cohesion and you will likely get similar results. (end)
pwrmx24 1 year ago
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pwrmx24 1 year ago
Sub-Saharan Africa 20.9 million - 24.3 million cases of AIDS. These people are most likely heterosexual and many governments in Africa would deny that homosexuality even exists in their country. AIDS does not discriminate and it is not a gay disease. where are you getting your facts?
I was replying to a comment made by user 'palatiality.' That is who I was referring my comment about AIDS to.
enzoelise 1 year ago 2
She obviously didn't hear about the 1150+ signatures of high ranking officers that signed a document asking Obama not to repeal DADT. 51 of those signatures were 4 star generals. I don't think that she interviewed them.
billyslo87 1 year ago
I would just like to say that I love that woman's voice...
Simoncanada 1 year ago
This debate is unnecessary. It was a bad law to begin with and it never should have been a law in the first place. People and their time . . .
enzoelise 1 year ago
@palatiality you're correct. Although AIDS is climbing in the gay community, heterosexuals lead the world population in AIDS cases, most probably undiagnosed. Think Africa.
enzoelise 1 year ago
@enzoelise What does Africa have to do with gays in the U.S. military? In the U.S. %80 of AIDS cases were among the homosexuals.
billyslo87 1 year ago
@billyslo87 Heterosexual transmission is the fastest way of transmission according to the CDC
vidhead85 1 year ago
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Haven't the fucking fagots used sexual favors to steal jobs from enough Americans? We've had double the unemployment and the global ecconomy has gone tits up ever since the Hollywood Gay Mafia controlling the Media replaced the Republican Congress Bush had for his first 6 years and Clinton for the last 6 with Gay libbers.
Texasjim2007 1 year ago
@Texasjim2007 Your a fucking idiot. You think calling homesexuals "faggots" makes u sound cool to all these people? NO look at ur comment. its marked SPAM. You know what that means? NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR UR B.S. GROW.up. And grow some balls.
hklsdfhdlsk 1 year ago 2
@Texasjim2007 your tired rhetoric makes me sleepy. please stop.
enzoelise 1 year ago
@Texasjim2007 There is help out there. Seek it.
Pilgrim812 1 year ago
I don't think don't ask don't tell should be changed for they're own safety. Not that it bothers me that they're gay but it may bother some of the people. And who knows, accidents do happen. I would think twice about doing cpr on a gay person and thats not good. Its a safety issue.
bcuzimsancho 1 year ago
In accodance with the Army Values, there should be no issues with having Gays and Lesbians in the military. We all adhear to the same values and rules.We are all take care of each other.
Loyalty- Bear true faith and allegiance to the U.S. constitution, the Army, and other soldiers.
Respect- Rely upon the golden rule.
Selfless Service-Put the welfare of the nation, the Army, and your subordinates before your own.
Integrity-Do what is right, legally and morally.
P.S. Were already here
Sylverlyf 1 year ago
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@Sylverlyf Trust in the Lord Jesus Christ not in yourselves.. Gays need to be helped and God can Heal and help in any situation, And that means ANY Situation.
If a male soldier doesnt want his body looked at by anyone (gays or not) that is his affair. He can report that to his commander if it happens. It is not Obama's business nor any gay rights group to force it. His body is his, and if he is married his wife does not want her husbands body looked at and lusted over by gays.
Jesus is Lord.
ighforever 1 year ago
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Sylverlyf 1 year ago
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Sylverlyf 1 year ago
Give it up already all you homophobics, the scarlet letter went out with the dark ages, slavery was abolished, Hitler was defeated, gay marraige was legalized...we are a continent who stands for FREDDOM OF RIGHTS, I say abolish the law that states that you can not be GAY and serve in the Military...
cadhoo4 1 year ago
@cadhoo4 Trust in the Lord Jesus Christ not in yourselves.. Gays need to be helped and God can Heal and help in any situation, And that means ANY Situation.
If a male soldier doesnt want his body looked at by anyone (gays or not) that is his affair. He can report that to his commander if it happens. It is not Obama's business nor any gay rights group to force it. His body is his, and if he is married his wife does not want her husbands body looked at and lusted over by gays.
Jesus is Lord.
ighforever 1 year ago
By the way, for all of those who support DADT, look at this video. Did you all see Retired US Army Major General Vance Coleman, an African-American who was IN the military when it was segregated. He states the obvious, don't ask don't tell is just separate but equal by another name.
dino0967 1 year ago
whatever...a lot of African-Americans don't equate being gay towards being black and most of them are Christian and have an even lower opinion of homosexuality. Have you ever Served in the military? I talk with active dtuty troops all the time and none of the ones I have talked with have ever said to me that they didn't care if they served with openly gay troops. Most of them support the ban.
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy, Yes I did serve in the military. You can discount the similarities all you want but many white US Servicemembers would not have want have wanted to serve with blacks in 1948 when President Truman desegreated the US Armed Forces. After all it was supposed to disrupt morale, unit cohesion, good order and discipline. Shouldn't we have defered to their wishes?
dino0967 1 year ago
yOU DON'T THINK HOMOSEXUALS SERVING OPENLY, LIVING IN THE SAME QUARTERS, SHOWERING WON'T DISRUPT MORALE, UNIT COHESION AND GOOD ORDER AND DISCIPLINE? THE REASON WHY THE MILITARY WORKS IS BECAUSE EVERYONE IS PERCEIVED THE SAME, NOT DIFFERENT. GAYS SERVING OPENLY WILL DISRUPT ALL THAT. WHY DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO TELL EVERYONE? ITS NONE OF ANYONE'S BUSINESS EXCEPT YOUR OWN!
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy, Everyone wears the SAME uniform, pledges an oath to the same Constitution and flag and adheres to the same grooming standards and military bearing. Aside from that, everyone IS different, different races, religions etc, etc. Gay and lesbian servicemembers will not be telling everyone!!!!! There are already gay people in conservative jobs in the civilian world like law enforcement, defense contractors etc etc. And they aren't brodcasting their business to everyone.
dino0967 1 year ago
WOULD YOU BE HAPPY IF THEY ALLOWED GAYS BUT MADE THEM LIVE IN SEPERATE BERTHINGS? I KNOW SERVICEMEMBERS WHO DO NOT WANT TO SHARE BERTHIGNS WITH OPENLY GAY SERVICEMEMBERS, AND THIS IS REFLECTED IN THEN MILITARY TIMES POLL THAT SAID 51 PERCENT DO NOT WANT THE BAN ENDED.
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy, Okay and lets call it 'separate but equal'. How about separate drinking fountains as well and lets make gay servicemembers give up their seats for straights.
dino0967 1 year ago
@3dartistguy
"THE REASON WHY THE MILITARY WORKS IS BECAUSE EVERYONE IS PERCEIVED THE SAME, NOT DIFFERENT."
Does your United States still only have all black units?
InterntzTrollerinz 1 year ago
Gee, don't they segregate men and women in the military? They don't have any room for "inbetween"
3dartistguy 1 year ago
I really wsh the fags would stop hammering this issue to death like a dead horse. THe American troops DO NOT want the ban to END. They do NOT want to bunk alongside openly gay servicemembers whch is why now they are even protesting the Pentagon's massive survery policy from the troops because they know the troops don't want the ban to end.;
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy lol psst, here is a hint there are already gay men bunked next them lol There are already gays in the military especially the marines. They aren't going to have sex with you. Unless you are unzipping your pants for them. lol :D
TMBrd89 1 year ago
The dfference is of course is that the fags are silent. They want to tell everyone just to further their gay agenda. It does no harm not to tell, but they want to tell, and no one wants to know, especia;lly n the Marnes. I know lots of Marnes that I have questioned on this issue and they don't want the ban lifted, becuase they don't want to know, which reflects the 51 percent majoirty that doesn't want the ban lifted.
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy how does knowing and not know change anything? LOL are YOU spending hours in the showers wanting a guy to stare at you? And if 51 percent don't want it changed then roughly the same percent or half want it to be changed. What harms people is constantly lying about themselves especially when they are hounded to talk about their personal lives in downtime. Besides what it the Gay agenda? Getting blown up to fight for YOUR rights as they are still 2nd class citizens?
TMBrd89 1 year ago
Obviously it DOES make a difference to the active duty trooops. Look, when I was actived duty, my shipmates believed me to be gay because of the harrassment that I received from my LPO. When they believed I was gay, they treated me like a LEPER. I still have old shipmates that won't have anything to do with me because they believe me to be gay, which I am not, but no how matter much I protest, they still believe me to be gay, whcih I am and won't have anyhting to do with me!
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy Okay but what does that have to do with the DADT policy? Where superior officers discharge gay troops? That was just your experience of unprofessional people. Are you honestly trying to convince me that cause your shipmates acted like fools, we should protect their fragile ego's? See you don't know how much of a stress it is to continually make up stories and lies to convince people your not gay. Add that to a someone trying to protect their country. Pathetic
TMBrd89 1 year ago
Well Geff, Asshole, if they can harrass someone who isn't gay that they believe to be gay, just think of what they will do if we were to have, god forbid, troops serving openly gay? I have talked with troops and these are just not a few. The military overall does not like this. THey don't believe gays should be serving openly, and there would be a LOT of trouble if troops could serve openly. Why do think there are male and female heads? Men and women can't sleep together in the same berthings...
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy, Have you thought of the fact that having DADT on the books gives the okay for troops harrass troops that are or believed to be gay. If such actions were against the law the troops would follow. Yes, I was in the military as well.
dino0967 1 year ago
@3dartistguy Actually I have talked to a few army guys. They really don't give a shit. I am glad thought that you can talk for all the military, not just ALL of the marines. Troops follow orders they would comply with a repeal. The same way with desegregation. All you really are pushing here is to force people to fear being fired for who they are. That and encourage our troops to be unprofessional, incompetent hate mongers. Oh and in the last comment you admitted to being gay. LOL
TMBrd89 1 year ago
Who admitted to being gay? I never did/. Again, I have served alongside active duty, and I have talked with them about this issue, and the attidute reflects the 51 percent that do not want the ban ended, you may have talked with a few of your faggot friends in the military who want the ban to ended, but again,t he fact is that servicememebrs DO NOT want the ban ended, and I support them and the ban because this is what they want because they do not want to know that someone is gay!
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy Yes because all those straight people like you perfer to live secreatly with Gay roomates You like it but dont want to have to admit it. Some of the best troops I worked with were gay and they were great roomates. If I had to snuggle with someone to stay warm well give me a good smelling well groomed gay guy every time; over some smelly straight guy who probably isint have sex with any one but himself anyway.
berrywoke 3 days ago
You're assuming that all stright men are smelly and not well groomed? Ive never worked with any gay troops. I was thought to be gay when I was in the military and i was treated like a lepar for it. Gays were not welcome with open arms just a mere five years ago. My command didn't care about the long stream of complaints that I had against my supervisor who routinely disrespected, embarrassed and humilated me while on the job serving my country on deployment.
3dartistguy 2 days ago
@3dartistguy No of corse not I am pushing buttons. I can imagine how you might have felt I was often accused of being gay but usually by men who couldnt pick up a girl as easy as I could in a bar or disco. I was more often called a gigilo than anything else. I guess being a closet bi is eaisier than being open gay that is for sure. I wish I had been around to put my foot in your supervisers ass! Good luck now anyway...
berrywoke 15 hours ago
too bad that the hypocritical Service members legal defense fund refused to take up my case to help me get back into the military. They just didn't care about the sexual harrassment I received while in the Navy and the Navy clearly didn't care to follow their own regulations regarding sexual harrassment. THey just come up with other reasons to get rid of suspected gays by saying they have "adjustment disorder" or something else. I found the military not a very honorable institution.
3dartistguy 11 minutes ago
So let me get this stright, you have NEVER served in the Armed forces, and you probably never will serve because of the Don't Ask DOn't Tell policy that won't allow you to flaunt your Pervision and seduce solders that you wnat to force your homosexual lifestyle on and you want to use the military as a social experiement in order to further your perverted social agenda? Right? I am right.
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy; A "social experiement"? That is what the racial desegreation of the US Military was supposed to be in 1948. General Omar Bradley, one of the most respected military leaders of the time, openly critisised President Truman for the "social engineering" of our military. The admission of female midshipmen at Annapolis and Cadets at West Point in 1976 was also called a "social experiement" by critics.
dino0967 1 year ago
NO ONE IN THE MILITARY gives a crap whether you are gay. What the give a crap about is sharing the same quarters, showering and living with openly gay people. You still not have answered my question about why there are male and female berthings and bathrooms. Having gays serve openly and everyone knowing they are gay disrupts all that. again, no one wants to know,and you don't have to know. Again, I was treted like a lepar because of people just thinking I was gay whcih i am not.
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy and everyone knowing they are gay disrupts all that" Those who make a scene can be disciplined; discharged if necessary. Bigots aren't allowed in any modern military already, strictly speaking. Including yours. Ok, so why are these people allowed to hijack US politics?
Redcarpet01 1 year ago
WELL I TELL YA SOMEHTING, I WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE AN OPENLY GAY CORPSMAN TOUCHING ME IN ANYWAY. I WOULDN';T WANT AN OPENLY GAY DOCTOR TOUCHING ME AND GETTING HIS THRILLS. I WOULDN'T WANT TO SHOWER WITH AN OPENLY GAY SERVICEMEMBER. I WOULDNT WANT TO SLEEP OR SHARE A RACK WITH AN OPENLY GAY SERVICEMEMBER. I WOULDNT' WANT TO UNDRESS IN FRONT OF AN OPENLY GAY SERVICEMMEBER. IS THAT SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU?
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy @3dartistguy And if you're in the military, or have been, why did you join? Because you suppressed your concern and anticipated you would successfully stick it though. Ok, and that's under DADT. So what difference would it make if gay and bi personnel aren't kicked out anymore if outed? The impact change is obviously 0, they're kicked out if outed, not for misconduct.
Redcarpet01 1 year ago
i JOINED TO SERVE MY COUNTRY AND BECAUSE I HAD NO OTHER OPTIONS SINCE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION WAS KEEPING ME FROM GETTING EMPLOYED SINCE EMPLOYERS ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE RACE AND GENDER MORE IMPORTANT THAN SOMEONE'S QUALIFICATIONS. The fact of that matter is that I did not tell anyone about my private business and neither should gay troops because stright acttve troops do not want to know that someone is openly gay who is sharing extrmely close quarters with them.Why don't you people understand?
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy First of all typing in capitals doesn't help, second affirmative action in other fields of employment doesn't force you to pursue a military career. And thirdly your argument in not wanting to share 'close quarters' is fraudulent as not are you doing it with gay people anyway but obviously happens in other fields in society. If you want the military to be some kind of escape from society, then you're pretty unusual. Almost paranoid from the sound of it.
Redcarpet01 1 year ago
Well how do I get you people to understand if i don't use caps? You obviously can't read or comprehend. ANd yes, the military was my best option at the time...becauase the military didn't discriminate against me for being a qualified, educated, normal stright Christian white male like the civilian world did and STILL does even under your false god, the great messiah,the One, Barack Obama. Again, no service member I know wants the ban lifted, so stop deluding yourself. The troops DO care.
3dartistguy 1 year ago
It isn't bigotry and I greately resent that. God himself in the Bible has condomned homosexuality and those who practice it. You are essentially asking the US Government to condone SIN, and thats just not going to fly with the American people, or most normal, Christian people, even other Christian minority groups are not favor of homosexuality. Are you calling GOD and his followers bigots? Well we got GOD himself on our side. Whom doyou have?
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy "God himself in the Bible has condomned homosexuality" no he doesn't. St. Augustine appears to in Lecivitus, however I'm not going to take a lecture on morality from someone who used prostitutes. Plust the US is a republic, no law can be made based on religion there, legally. Just because something is legalised doesn't mean the government ENDORSES it. Tobacco smoking is legal, but it's heavily taxed & its advertising is banned, etc. Prostitution is legal, but children barred, etc.
Redcarpet01 1 year ago
Ah, yes, God DOES. , Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." 1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals"
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy
Woah the Christian diety sounds like an evil diety.
InterntzTrollerinz 1 year ago
@3dartistguy; By the way, congress has all but set in motion the repeal of the "Don't Ask. Don't Tell" Law. By next year the law will likely be history. The Congressional charge was lead by US Representative Patrick Murphy, a former US Army Captain, the FIRST OIF veteran to serve in congress. Come the fall of 2011, DADT will be repealled and it will be a big non event. The only difference will be that gay and lesbian servicemembers will not be subject to this bs and codified bigotry.
dino0967 1 year ago
I wouldn't get your hopes up dude. By this November Obama will be a LAME DUCK and that bill will be history when the new Congress takes over. There are still a lot of members of COngress who are against ending the ban, chief among them is SENATOR JOHN MCCCAIN, THE CHAIRMEN OF THE SENATE ARMED FOCES WHO IS AGAINST ENDING THE BAN.
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy, Most of the troops don't care. If you watched this video, there was USMC SSG Alva who lost his leg in the onset of OIF in March 2003. He told some of his fellow Marines that he was gay and they didn't care.
dino0967 1 year ago
Dude, I don't know you get your numbers, but the military times conducted a poll and the poll was ACCURATE. In fact, the pentagon is now asking troops, 200 thousand of them, so we'll see when the results come back. But again, I wouldn't get your hopes up because again, 51 percent support the ban and Ive never not one active duty servicemember say otherwise.
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@Savior20061 If you have the bravery to speak out against someone then you need to let them reply to you in return instead of blocking them. It shows your lack of courage and honor. No backbone in liberals.
assault82nd 1 year ago
@assault82nd What are you talking about? I didn't block you. You never even commented on my channel. That's whats so funny about conservatives like you. You make a brazen mistake and following that mistake you make an even more brazen generalization about liberals.
Savior20061 1 year ago
Comparing Affirmative Action, essentially a program meant to combat a highly discriminatory job market even in post-Civil Rights US, that in fact, would neglect to look at credentials simply because someone wasn't the default of white, to homosexuals in the military is absurd, just as it's absurd to use ad hominem attacks against Macabre. "For every homo we loose, we can replace them with a qualified straight man?"How does what one does in the bedroom make them more or less qualified for an MOS?
kearn1tm 1 year ago
Wut me wrry bouts subjugation?!
kearn1tm 1 year ago
THEY SHOULD LEAVE THE POLICY AS IT IS. THE TROOPS DO NOT WANT THE POLICY TO END. SERVICEMEMBERS DO WANT TO SERVE ALONGSIDE OPENLY GAY SERVICEMEMBERS IN THE EXTREMELY CLOSE QUARTERS IN WHICH THEY LIVE.
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy Your caps lock is broke, and so is your cognition.
Macabre215 1 year ago
No it ain't, sometimes you have to shout to make a point because do none listens.
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy Your answer proves my point about cognition.
Macabre215 1 year ago
Why because I state a factual opinion that you don't like? Im a servicemember, and I know personally that servicemembers DO NOT this policy to end by a overwhelming magin of 51 percent, as detailed in the Navy Ttimes. There are millions of critically needed people who aren't gay who are being removed for reasons other than being just gay. Being openly gay in the military isn't wanted or needed.
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy I don't like bigotry, which is what this is. The argument against the repeal of DADT illogically refers to how a heterosexual relationship is different than a homosexual one; this is where your "factual opinion" is flawed. The idea that having people who are homosexual in the military some how weakens it, isn't even remotely factual. Not to mention the precedent of stigma against homosexuals, that would actually cause statistics like you point out to be flawed, so embrace antiquity.
Macabre215 1 year ago
Oh really? So how do you feel about Affirmative Action which makes a person's race and geder more important than their qualifications? Ive been denied a lot of civilian jobs soley on the basis that Im a white male and the fact that the government pressures businesses to hire minorities.So I'd like to hear your opinion about that. As for homos, they aren't wanted or needed. For every homo they get rid of, they can get a qualified stright man to take their place.
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy "Affirmative action is the set of public policies and initiatives designed to help eliminate past and present discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, is under attack." That's what affirmative action is, stop listening to neo-cons and drinking the kool aid. I would have answered sooner, but I figured you wouldn't be able apprehend. Clearly you wanted to be abused more, because AGAIN your cognition is almost nonexistent.
Macabre215 1 year ago
well I can say is that two wrongs don't make a right. I had nothing to do ith any of the historic wrongs of the past and so I shouldn't be denied employment because i am not a minority. Every time I apply for a job, some employer is only interested in wht my race and gender is and they ask me, and after I tell them that I am a white male, they don't hire me. Explain that! Sounds like Reverse Discrimination to me, asshole, and its just as discriminatory as "don't ask, don't tell" is.
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@Macabre215 Agreed. Especially considering that Dart thinks that 51% is an overwhelming majority.
Savior20061 1 year ago
Ahaha, "I have worked with different countries, like Britain, France, England, the Italians. Also, we are the #1 in every world faucet, the world waits for us to move, so that they can follow."
Yes, we are number 1 at everything.
(According to UNICEF)
Education System: #18
Human Development System: #13
Literacy Rate: #21
Those are just a few, and IMPORTANT ''faucets".
mandomariah 1 year ago
LlSTEN UP! FACT OF THE MATTER IS, GAY MEN ARE CHILD MOLESTERS AT 27 TIMES THE RATE OF STRAIGHT MEN. GAYS ARE TYPICALLY COWARDS. THEY'D DO NO MORE THAN OGLE OTHER G.I.'s IN THE SHOWER, AND HAVE NO PLACE IN OUR MILITARY OR OUR WORLD FOR THAT MATTER! THEY REALLY SHOULD BE ROUNDED UP AND EXILED TO AIDS ISLAND AND SINCE THEY CANT BUTT-PROCREATE WE'D BE RID OF THEM ALL IN 1 GENERATION. SAY NO TO GAYS IN THE ARMY, SCHOOLS, CHURCH, MARRIAGE & YOUR WORKPLACE & NEIGHBORHOODS. ACT UP AGAINST GAYS!!
56Stiffy 1 year ago
@56Stiffy Yes sir Mr. Hitler...ignorant disgusting bigot!
mandomariah 1 year ago
Does the military force cohabitation of mixed sexes...male and female? I think not... What's different here? Is this not the same thing?
blackmoses61 1 year ago
@blackmoses61 No it isn't. Gays already are allow cohabitation with straights. Gays just can't be open about it.
Savior20061 1 year ago
Why do we even trust a military report filed during a time of homophobia? It is no different than accepting the Crittenden report! For those of you who don't know, this report was filed in 1957 (possibly 67) to study on whether gays posed a military defense risk to this nation and if proven true they would effectively be banned from service.
mahalomio 1 year ago
The report came out that homoesexuals pose a risk- the true result came out in the late 1980/early90's that there was no risk! Our Pentagon lied to millions of people for over 3 decades- what's to stop them now?
mahalomio 1 year ago
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3242dagirl 1 year ago
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sebaker75 1 year ago
Youtube ain't posting my comments.
Savior20061 1 year ago
@Savior20061 LOL............probably because you make no sense. I will be posting the facts soon. And get over your damn racism. I get so sick and tired of hearing all you blacks complaining about racism. It always comes up as an excuse for your shortfalls yourself. Is there any conversation we could have without bringing in the race card for sympathy?
Marksnotebook 1 year ago
@Savior20061 Mark says are you aware that Martin Luther King voted republican in the 1950s? Yep he sure did and he voted for Eisenhower. You can type in "martin luther king votes for eisenhower" or martin luther king votes republican on google and you'll see it pop right up.
Marksnotebook 1 year ago
I really love it how people try to make this a "liberal" vs "conservative" issue when it really has nothing to do with politics at all. This is about simple right and wrong, so anyone that brings up a reference to political ideology is automatically showing their true colors. They don't really care about equal rights at all, only that their political views are represented by the military. Pathetic!
captainbryce1 1 year ago
@ usamericanz Um, speaking from personal experience on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" how do you justify this policy? It just put a name to the face of what existed before 1993 as dino said. Are you saying that my sacrifice to serve doesn't mean anything? We're all Americans here. You want to go after something to not agree with, how about all the married service members that cheat on their wives over seas. I don't see adultery taken care of nearly as much as gays and lesbians in the military.
JpoidMikeru 1 year ago
I'm sorry but I don't agree that openly gay should be the norm. The military's mission is to destroy the enemy and its not a social experiment.
Marksnotebook 1 year ago
@Marksnotebook Exactly, if the mission is to destroy the enemy, the number one tool for that is people. If people are being kicked out for stupid reasons that don't affect their performance than the mission fails.
iamrye 1 year ago
@iamrye Mark says we have always had plenty of people serving and will always continue to have plenty of people without being openly gay. This has nothing to do with it. Poor excuse.
Marksnotebook 1 year ago
@Marksnotebook Really? Is that why the military has been scraping form the bottle of the barrel lately, approving waivers from convicted felons including sex offenders.
Savior20061 1 year ago
@Savior20061 Mark says hardly! The fact is by all the polling and military information most military personnel are more well educated than people like you. So you can take that and stick it in your stupid pipe and smoke it "Savior" What a name to mock god. That is sick.
Marksnotebook 1 year ago
@Savior20061 MARK SAYS HOW IS IT THAT UNDER REAGAN WE HAD 2 MILLION VOLUNTARY MEN UNDER ARMS AND NEVER HAD ANY RECRUITMENT PROBLEMS BUT NOW WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT 1 MILLION AND YOU LIBS SEEM TO BELIEVE WE CAN'T FIND PEOPLE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ALLOWING A FEW GAYS TO SERVE OPENLY? THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT I HAVE EVER HEARD. IF SOMEBODY TRULY LOVES THEIR COUNTRY THEY WILL SERVE IT WELL. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF PATRIOTISM? STOP COMPLAINING AND WINING. I GET SICK OF IT.
Marksnotebook 1 year ago
@Marksnotebook I honestly don't see why that statement was deserving of all capital letters, but whatever.
Savior20061 1 year ago
@Savior20061 Seeing comments all in capital letters basically means you push a button and now you've angered the person and he/she is hurt.. :-)
jusitke07 1 year ago
@Savior20061 Mark says you are not responding to my questions with answers. Are you running out of ideas on how to deal with a conservative? I stand firm on my beliefs. I don't back down for nobody. I will never support a liberal agenda and I believe there is right and wrong in life. There are few if any gray areas in life. You are either a good or a bad or misguided person. Those are the facts. And besides, the military has decided and the law remains as it was before.
Marksnotebook 1 year ago
@Marksnotebook Savior says, I've already responded to you, look at the post below. Trust me, I've dealt with conservative smarter than you, who weren't as big-headed, who STILL couldn't give any supported arguments for this flawed DADT policy.
Of course there are grey areas in life. Only children think in terms of black and white. I'd say neocons do as well, but since they're hypocrites, that's out.
Savior20061 1 year ago
@Marksnotebook Mark, if you were in the military, you would know by serving that there are NOT enough men and women to get the job done. If you are in the military, then you are either not paying attention, or are working in a career that is highly manned. I welcome a good discussion. So give me one non-religious reason that is sound as to why gays shouldn't serve that isn't unconstitutional. To say that morale would be affected is not a reason simply because gays are already actively serving.
iamrye 1 year ago
@iamrye Mark says, under Reagan we had 2 million men in the military. All voluntary! We managed quite well. And we had the Soviet Threat! Now why is it that during the height of the cold war with more troops deployed all over the globe that we managed fine but cannot manage now with about 1 million less under arms? How is it that this nation managed for over 200 years without open gays serving? Why is it that all of the sudden things need to change? Caution now!
Marksnotebook 1 year ago
@Marksnotebook Also, where in the constitution does it say anything about legally discriminating against men who love men or women who love women? It doesn't. You can argue that "founding fathers" rhetoric but the founding fathers comprised of many types of men some of which were so visionary that they wrote the constitution for people like gays, blacks, .... so that one day, when society woke up, just as it did with women's and blacks rights, we can move forward as a whole. Until that day...
iamrye 1 year ago
@iamrye Mark says 52 of the 56 framers of the constitution were Christian. Jefferson stated this fact: "No nation can survive without religion and the Christian religion is the best in the world" I can quote more on our fantastic founders. If you are trying to tell me that the left is far more righteous or loving and tolerant than the religious people of this country and conservatives you are sorely mistaken. Take a look at Greece and socialist Europe on the brink now.
Marksnotebook 1 year ago
@Marksnotebook George Washington said in the Treaty of Tripoli that the US is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.
Van Jones did admit to being a communist, like a decade or two ago. No he isn't. Politifact has more on the subject.
Savior20061 1 year ago
@Savior20061 Mark says you liberals always go to Wikipedia and site that stupid Treaty of Tripoli. We do not go by the treaty of Tripoli. We go by our constitution! Jefferson stated this: Religion is a must for a nation to survive. Chritianity is the best religion in the world. 52 of the 56 framers were Christian. Our nation was founded by Christians! And Van Jones is a communist. Plus he withdrew his nomination for being too radical!
Marksnotebook 1 year ago
@Marksnotebook Firstly, you shouldn't confuse Greece's economic issues with this conversation. Secondly, Jefferson is 1 of the 56 framers, and one which owned slaves because this was the "norm". He did not want to own slaves and strongly supported reform. However this was not a popular idea in the 1700's (kinda like gays in the mil) but eventually society (kinda like socialism) came around and did whats right and made the law equal. My kinda god-fearing man.
iamrye 1 year ago
@iamrye I will quote many more framers who were Christian. 52 of the 56 were! Also why do you dodge the fact that this nation has gotten along fine since the beginning of time regarding our miltiary which its mission is to protect this nation? I stated under Reagan we had 2 million men. That was all volunteer. How did we manage then but can't manage now? That was my question and you keep dodging it.
Marksnotebook 1 year ago
@Marksnotebook When you say gotten along fine, yes the core mission of the military has been and is being accomplished, but not without great sacrifice to the members serving some of which is unnecessary. Why put more stress on the men and women serving by saying that they can't love who they want to love or be with who they want to be with. If you were in mil you would know that the success of higher ranking officers depends on the bond between their spouse. Ask any O-6/E-7 and up.
iamrye 1 year ago
@iamrye Mark says...put more stress? What do you mean? Explain more stress. Most military members could care less if a man speaks out that he is gay. They are not there to socialize but to do a job and protect this nation. You still have not explained why under Reagan we managed with an all 2 million voluntary military but we cannot do this now with half that amount? When will I get my answer to that? And Straights should talk to their spouses as it is the lifestyle that works. lol
Marksnotebook 1 year ago
@Marksnotebook apparently you have never served in the mil. If you have you would realize just how stressful the military life can be. For one servicemember to try and handle this on their own is expecting too much. Allowing all members to have their spouse(gay or straight) would increase mission success because of the stress it would reduce.
If you think that straight people should be allowed to have spouses, you should open your eyes at the hundreds of thousands of gay couples "that work"
iamrye 1 year ago
@iamrye Mark says please don't make me sick with this love shit stuff in the military. The military is a job. When you are at a job you do your job and don't think about loving someone. You think about keeping from getting killed in the military and protecting your partner! Yes, straight people do love each other and its normal. That is fine. But gays are different than straights. Marriage is the bedrock of society and always will be.
Marksnotebook 1 year ago
@Marksnotebook And one more thing, since ianswered your question, answer mine? Where in the constitution does it say anything about legally discriminating against men who love men or women who love women?
iamrye 1 year ago
@iamrye Mark says it does not say anything about discrimination. But the gay lifestyle is not normal. And this nation was founded upon Christian principles and marriage has been the bedrock of society in all countries since the beginning of time. To change that to a radical agenda like gay is crazy. When something works, leave it alone. Gays never stay together anyway or they cheat on their partners all the time or together have 3 ways! God help us.
Marksnotebook 1 year ago
@Marksnotebook "it does not say anything about discrimination. But..." Thank you for arguing my point for me. AND you have no right to say it isn't normal because you aren't that minority! Interracial marriages weren't normal, but we evolved didn't we? Look at several other countries where it IS now normal because their laws force people like you to accept it.
The next time i see a straight orgy, cheater, non christianin will from then on assume you are the same because you are straight???
iamrye 1 year ago
@iamrye Mark says I know more about the gay lifestyle than you might think. Stop assuming you know what I'm thinking and quit putting words into my mouth you asshole! You do that a lot like a typical liberal. Don't compare minority marriages with gay! That is incomparable! The law will NOT change. The military has already decided that they are going to leave it don't ask, don't tell. I will continue with My God who screwed up your mind to to constantly act paranoid and assume!
Marksnotebook 1 year ago
@iamrye Mark says, I know more than you think about gay men. Bath houses run rampant with orgies. You dont' see that with straights. Straight marriages are usually stable and last a lifetime or only one divorce. People like stability for their kids and themselves. Gay partnerships by the time of 40 years will average 10 to 20. Many gay men have had sex with 200 to 1000 people by age 35. All statistics show marriage works. But if we continue to throw out morals it won't.
Marksnotebook 1 year ago
@Marksnotebook You do know that people are more likely to divorce their 2nd and 3rd marriage than their first right?
BTW: 200 to 1,000 partners by age 35? You are clearly smoking something.
Savior20061 1 year ago
@Savior20061 Pew poll research, family research council and other polls and statistics show this to be true. I know for a fact as I have been around gays and that is true. Bars, bath houses, gay resorts and other places are full of whoring around, multiple sex partners and so forth. Are you gay? I'd like to know since you claim to know so much but only are brainwashed at 19 years. Very sad. Learning take time. And you have a lot to learn yet.
Marksnotebook 1 year ago
@Marksnotebook The Family Research Council is biased in favor of conservative philosophy and Pews polls are no different.
No, I'm not gay. I just approve of a minority group being kicked around for no good reason. Second of all, it's easy to call someone "brainwashed" when their opinions aren't the same as yours.
Savior20061 1 year ago
@Savior20061 Yes you are a minority and its a shame you have been brainwashed by the likes of Jackson and Sharpton, the ambulance chasers and that damn Black panther group. God help you. If you would listen to black leaders like Armstrong Williams, Allan Keyes, Ward Connely, J.C. Watts, Michael Steele, Ken Blackwell, Larry Elders, Shelby Steele, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams and more, that would help you out a lot.
Marksnotebook 1 year ago
@Savior20061 Mark continues..........no minority group is being kicked around. Get over it. Get that damn chip off of your shoulder. Let me ask you a very important question and I'd like an honest answer............Why is our country being torn apart presently like never before?
Marksnotebook 1 year ago
@Marksnotebook 1. That's what I'm talking about. Conservatives honestly think there's no racism anymore, at least as far as whites are concerned.
2. Like never before? Remember that Civil War thing? THAT was a torn apart country. Our country is not torn apart. People are just divided in politics, same as they have always been.
Savior20061 1 year ago
@Savior20061 Mark says well you are brainwashed and wrong. The republican party and Lincoln freed the slaves. It has always been the republican party that helped blacks out. The republican party wants blacks to find work but the democratic party puts hatred into the hearts and minds of black people and tries to make you and many like you believe that we conservatives are horrible people. It is the radical liberal left who always brings up racism. Not the GOP or conservatives.
Marksnotebook 1 year ago