Piper Cherokee 180 Gusting Crosswind Landing @ KMWK

[TheMarkjacks]

this song is a disgrace to aviation!!!!!!!!!!!

[denhou1974]

Good work. Those were tough conditions!

[TheMax212]

What means ''Downwind for runway 18''?

[garnettsmith]

@TheMax212 "Downwind" is a term used to let other pilots in the area know your location. When setting up to land, you typically try to land into the wind...or on the "upwind" runway. So, when flying "downwind", you are flying in the same general direction that the wind is blowing. In this particular instance, I'm flying downwind to runway 18 with the intention of doing a 180 degree (or base, then final) turn to land upwind on runway 18. Hope this makes sense...

[TheMax212]

@garnettsmith Thanks! Now I finally understand it!!

[srvafool]

You need to do something about your oil access door. It's really vibrating a lot. I have a 65 PA 28-180 and my door is rock solid. I've heard of them departing in flight.

Good crosswind landing. I landed in Hutchinson Ks one day in direct 20 kts with gusts to 28 kts. Landed on the upwind wheel and Cherokee did fine.

[garnettsmith]

@srvafool Replaced the door some time ago. I was actually landing at Mount Airy for the purpose of delivering the airplane for its annual inspection. The door was replaced at that point.

[PiperCherokeePilot91]

@srvafool On my solo cross country, I took off out of KRUQ, started heading east, looked over the nose, and saw that the oil access door was not latched, and was flapping around a little. As a student, that was definitely an "oh crap" sort of moment. I sheepishly went back to RUQ and latched it down properly. On the bright side, I it taught me to be quite diligent about both the oil access and the baggage door.

[pilotpocius]

nice landing my palms were sweaty just watching it

[dearthpanda]

Looks a little bumpy

[ridedirtba1]

Sweet!



[1337Sniperify]

i just got home from my familizarization flight in a Piper Cherokee 140 it amazing super windy out there today but i had a blast!

[iksteh]

I bet that one raised a sweat :) Nice correction on short finals (before the road)

[RogerDeanSmart]

You maybe right, just maybe they defined them later in the years and started using 10deg instead of 15. I have only been flying 38 yrs, but I am not saying you are wrong, but there use to be a setting on all PA-28's at 15, 25, 40

[RogerDeanSmart]

The POH maybe correct and it may be 10deg, but earlier pipers and all cherokees back in the 60's and 70's had first notch at 15. But you are probably correct, thats just what I remember.

[garnettsmith]

@RogerDeanSmart Mine is a 1965 Model. I respect your opinion, but I don't think I've ever seen a Cherokee with 15 degree flaps as the initial position.

[RogerDeanSmart]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the first notch in any Cherokee is 15deg, not 10. Its 15, 25 and 40

[garnettsmith]

@RogerDeanSmart

Nope...the flap positions are 10, 25, and 40 degrees. Quoting from the POH, "The flap will not support a step load except when

in the full up position, so it must be completely retracted when used as a step. The flaps have three extended positions: 10, 25,and 40 degrees."

[chris5812341234]

music annoyed me at first then it was ok rather than just being annoying the whole thing.....nice pick! lol

[ailerpop]

Nice!!

[christurbo951]

Good crosswind landing. I just started flying a cherokee 180 after finishing my license. I really like it. Thanks for posting

[dingoklectos]

FAA should demand all runways be made like this...no trees in the vicinity. trees are the major cause of fatalities during takeoffs/landings at night/IMC or due to engine failure.

[ukar69]

Looks like a wild ride but well handled

[JPaulThePilot]

Very nice video Garnett. I purchased a PA-28 140/150 for me and my brother to get our PPL in. After getting out PPL in August of this year we flew down to Key West, stopping at "X01" (Everglades Airpark) along the way. Long story short we departed X01 trying to beat the storms building out over the everglades. They do not have AWOS, but I would guess the cross was about 12 to 14, high density altitude, short runway, and birds everywhere. Now I practice my pattern work in windy conditions!

[MerryMonlay]

Do you always slide her in Negative G ?

Excellent Reflex Fly Boy, was that some fancy white knuckles at 700?

Smooth! Very Smooth!

[Jamesfromnyc]

Nice video! I would have of guess the wind more at about 210 then 270 based on how much correction used during the landing....

[drummerdude6485]

Mount Airy? I love this airport! It's so fun to fly out of.

[metropool]

after watching your videos, I am going to learn to fly- awesome!

[16whiskey]

Garnett, what was the approximate crosswind component for this landing. I have a '63 180 and am curious as to what she can do. I enjoy your videos...great radio communication skills.

[garnettsmith]

Hi, I have regularly landed my 180 with about a 15-16 knot crosswind component with little issue. The fun begins when you have gusts on top of that! The Cherokee is a stable cross-wind aircraft, but you do have to stay on your toes!

[mitgolden76]

thats typically when you call it a day

[Bagels108]

very nice landing. I would still be up there going around if i was there! What's that popping noise?

[SpaceMedic]

Nice landing, considering the conditions =) Can you tell me how much the 180 burns at cruise and what the average annual cost you've experienced with it?

[garnettsmith]

I usually plan for 10 gallons/hour. I've owned this Cherokee for about 6-7 years and annuals usually run in the $1000 range.

[SpaceMedic]

Awesome! it's a beauty! I'm training in the Warrior...Would it be fairly friendly to a new pilot?

[garnettsmith]

Very friendly and easy to fly. Departure stalls are a breeze in a Warrior/Archer/Cherokee. Plane refuses to break during the stall...just mushes along

[Bagels108]

hahaha thats the truth. I train in a warrior and we couldnt get it to departure stall at all one day!

[SpaceMedic]

Heh, I ended up having to train in the C-172. I finished my PPL in September and got my instrument rating in March, mostly flying on the C172 with the G1000. Whew =) Still in love with low wings though!

[AV8Rtom]

He's saying "one-eight-mount airy." Not "one-eight-niner" idiots.

[drummerdude6485]

Not excatley on the centerline, but still it was a good landing!

[wtthebomb]

Good job on the landing. I have took lessons at kmwk and the runways are 18 and 36. he plainly says that he is landing on runway one eight mount airy traffic.

[Title27GT]

When he's saying one eight niner he's talking about both sides of the runway he was on. Runway 18 and runway 9.

[garnettsmith]

As previously stated (and I don't hear 18-Niner in the video), I am saying "one-eight". Period. There is no runway 9 at Mount Airy. One end of the runway is 18 and the other is 36.

[drummerdude6485]

Walking on sun-shine????? I guess it's an alright song.

[safetycow]

You are correct--there are only two-digit runway numbers. I was having a brain fart.

You are cleary saying "one eight niner" on your runway calls. I thought maybe there was some local procedure I had never heard of before.

Please don't think I'm criticizing you, that wasn't my intention

[safetycow]

I'm curious why you're making your call for runway One Eight Niner? Is the runway not runway One Eight Zero.

I am a pilot and have never heard of a runway not ending in Zero.

Is this some local procedure?

[garnettsmith]

One-Eight-Niner???? Never heard of a runway with 3 digits. The runways at Mount Airy are 36 and 18. I'm calling for runway 18, not 18-niner. Maybe my enunciation wasn't the best?

[garnettsmith]

Yeah, I've been flying for years. The breathing is a result of a bad cold at the time. The 10 degrees of flaps was probably a mistake...I underestimated the gusts when selecting flaps...probably shouldn't have used any at all. Speed at touchdown was probably about 75 knots, which was intentional. Don't want to be too slow in gusty conditions and I knew I had enough runway to absorb the speed...I prefer to have enough speed to have some aerilon authority.

[m3fordcord]

Have you been flying long? I heard a few deep breaths during that landig. I also heard you say you were using 10 degrees of flaps but what was your air speed at touch down?