@Son0fHobs Yeah God always existed and in some point between the infinity to the past and infinity to the future it created the world. But god is cool, he can apparently make infinite time (in his past) just go like 1 second and not take forever...
Every word that uv just said is utter ball shit, the answer to "the reason for r existence" is.. I dnt no! U can't just say oh it must have been god lol u dumb ass!
just because science hasn't been able to reproduce the origin of life, doesn't mean the default position is some man in a sky. You can claim anything can exist, but there's things that you can't disprove. As Richard Dawkins says, if i tell you there's a giant spaghetti monster in the sky you can't tell me there's not because you can't disprove it. (something along those lines) but obviously that's not the case.
just because something explains it best doesnt make it true. for example if a car crashes and the road is icy the most likely cause would have been the road being icy, but it doesnt mean that that has to be the case. it doesnt really seem like a soid argument to me.
it didn't just pop into existence it took TIME and LOTS OF IT y do no christans get that and there is no case to god nothing u can do can prove him but science can never dis prove him because nothign in science is 100% to never be proven the most u could ever get it 99.999 .... and so on.
Just a thought...could it be that the stone age concept of understanding may be more properly applied to man's inability to understand GOD and not the lack of God's existence. Take the earth being round for instance. The bible spoke about it but yet scientists of the day argued some of the same as today's fallen men argue.
I think it would be best if before spewing nonsense you picked up a book and learned a little big about how things really work and how they came to be.All your video proves is your infinite, cosmic ignorance about the fundamentals of science. That very science whose byproduct, technology, allows you to be on youtube expressing bronze age beliefs.
your best bud is a terrible person to have an argument with. TRY ME RANDALL NILES! a person who doesnt believe in god and asks you to prove gods existence, doesnt know shit about having a debate in this subject. so try having it with someone who does! maybe your mind will open up and change.
I think there are far better explanations as to how the universe came to be but an entity sounds absurd to me. What would a perfect being want with life? Why would a perfect being want anything at all if it was perfect? I just think we as people should look to the numerous possibilities before we state one and hold it as truth such as a divine being.
The thing is, we all have free agency to choose God. Free agency is a higher law of the universe. God will never be proven by science, because that would destroy the higher law of free agency. It starts with a desire to know God or not. Without desire never will any man or woman know God. I can however, compliment the existence of God with evolution and all scientific theory that we now use to argue his absence with. wwwprobingreligioncom
@titoyepezliut Ya know what cracks me up about people like you? The fact that there are literally thousands like you that waste a whole crap load of time watching and commenting on these videos only to tear down other people's beliefs. And for what?? The belief in God (for the most part) only contributes to better values of the individual believer. I really want to know why you spend so much time trying to piss people off. Honestly, I want to know!
@probrel Well, it's not that I spent my time. First, like you, I want to understand why people truly believe in things like gods or supernatural stuff. I really think everyone is capable to reason and differ reality from fiction, all I want is people question themselves about their belief. You don't need to worship a god to be a good person, we don't need a fantastic explanation for our behaviour, knowledge or nature. I'm sorry if I pissed you off, that wasn't my intention at all
@probrel Generally, it's not like you said that belief in god only contributes to better values of the individual believer. Have you ever wonder why people crash down airplanes into skyscrapers? why they carry bombs to blow up public squares? why indoctrinate children? why children are murdered or raped? Why people rejects medical treatments? why people mutilate children genitalia? why women are stoned? ...all of that in the name of a deity. As you see it's not only an inoffensive belief
@titoyepezliut I can see now what you meant with your comment that pertained to superman and fairies, maybe not as a mocking remark, but as stating possible sources for inspiration, and purpose. I was now angry, I just find people like you curious, and wanted to know what makes you tick. It sounds to me that you live life in a very philosophical context, or the finding of unbiased truth, as do I. I have a website that does just that. Feel free to check it out some time. wwwprobingreligioncom.
@probrel I really thank you for you comment, because you'll see that I'm not trying to tear down or mock of someone's belief. Honestly, for your comment I can see you're an intelligent and a good person.Feel free to question your belief, give it a try, perhaps you'll grasp another points of view or else your faith will become stronger if you do understand how and why you believe in a god. Greets
If god exists than he/she/it would be part of nature. So tell me. Why would this person give you a sense of purpose? Let's just assume god exists. Ok, now what? What does it matter? It changes nothing. The Earth continues to orbit around the Sun. The events of the Earth continue as they always have. God has no purpose. The laws of the universe allow for intelligence to arise. If god does exist than it was the universe that allowed him to. So why not just us? Why god then us?
I am simply amazed by this video. It boggles my mind that someone with such low reasoning skills is able to operate a camera and then subsequently post what he recorded on youtube. Surely, such a procedure for a man of this mental caliber is pushing the boundaries of what his brain can compute.
Wow. Havent read anything that inane for quite some time.
So your argument, if I can call it that, is that because the theory that humans evolved can't be proven, and doesn't make predictions, means that the theory that there is no god is proven false.
....No I can't call it an argument. You figure out why.
Please provide the testable evidence for intelligent design. You will win a Nobel price for that.
@Sabbah1 said, "because the theory that humans evolved can't be proven, and doesn't make predictions, means that the theory that there is no god is proven false."
No. The atheist hypothesis, "Un-intelligence made me intelligent." has no evidence. Thus, atheism is false.
"Please provide the testable evidence for intelligent design. You will win a Nobel price for that."
It took intelligent engineers to design artificial intelligence. This is testable evidence.
a: We haven't created artificial intelligence yet.
b: Even if we had this only show that intelligent beings can design things. So your claim is essentially that because humans can design things then biological systems must have been designed. Try and figure out why that isn't testable evidence.
Looking forward to your response....it should be creative.
@Sabbah1 said, "a: We haven't created artificial intelligence yet."
I agree that you may not have created artificial intelligence yet but the rest of the world has been actually using it for quite some time. Maybe you are not very tech knowledgable?
"...because humans can design things then biological systems must have been designed."
All testable evidence shows us that: Systems, processes, intelligence, laws, etc., have designers. Designers are also not intrinsically detectable.
Just stating "God done it", is the most intellectually bankrupt way to look at anything. It just means we can say "God done it" for ANYTHING we don't understand. This would take us back to the Dark Ages which is where mankind was before science and rationalism pulled it screaming and kicking to where we are now.
Let's not let half wits like this take us back there.
The universe isn't random and didn't happen by chance. The laws of physics existed before the Big Bang and the universe operates on those rules and laws. "God" is a simple way to throw up your hands and say, "I don't understand something, I'm not going to try at all and I am to scared to learn."
You start off you proof with "i think god created..." How can you start off your proof with that? Whos god? Why is there reason to believe there is a super natural. That what we want you to prove. What is God and why is there reason to believe in one. And when I say one, I mean....there are so many..which one exactly are you talking about? You do have to prove you claim. We don't, we aren't claiming anything. Macro we looked "designed" but micro we are terribly designed. Human eye, oxygen intake
@drogden sure we 'made up' god. Just like we made up circles and triangles, we 'made up' differential calculus, and vector sums. We 'made up' many things. I assure you, in the world of pure logic, and mathematics, god's existence is quite likely.
@utra1337 I didn't say "made up" i don't know why you quoted that. Circles and triangles exist in reality, but differential calculus, and vector sums don't. They are concepts that only exist in our minds. Logically god cannot exist in reality because it's self contradictory like a triangle circle. You have nfi what you are talking about.
@drogden you have nfi what I am talking about because you havenet spent several semesters studying differential equations, philosophy, and clasical mechanics. Id like to enlighten you more, but it doesnt seem possible because you have much learning to do.
@utra1337 Well that's not an argument. You're just claiming knowledge. It doesn't mean anything. Make a point if you can. Your argument from authority equates to absolutely nothing. I'm asking you please enlighten me, since I'm so profoundly ignorant.
@utra1337 We didn't "make up" any of the things you mention. Triangles, calculus, geometry, trigonometry, physics, biology, chemistry all existed before we studied them and discovered them. Calculus doesn't simply work because we believe it does. It works because it is a true and natural thing that can be studied, observed, recorded and tested. It yields the same results every time. In the world of pure logic, God will fade away. It's OK, you will still exist.
@pavo6503 Excuse me, to the extent of our knowledge the perfect triangle does not exist in the real world. The form of a triangle only exists in our minds. Neither does a sin function, a 2nd order differential equation... and so on. We use our our logic to create models, which can explain natural phenomena. Of which we understand that sometimes our senses can fool us, but our logic cannot. God, another creation of the human mind, can be used to explain the natural world.
@utra1337 So let me get this straight. You completely agree with me, but have totally misunderstood everything I wrote? God is a childish cop out. The natural world needs no magical being to explain it. The universe has laws and the it consistently follows them. God is an inconsistent creation of man who behaves like the worst manic-depressive psychopath. Don't try to confuse the issue by throwing theoretical mathematics into the discussion.
@pavo6503 You, self-presumed intellectual you'd like to think that you know everything about the natural world. But true scholars always know that the more they know the less they know (Socrates). It was the famous Kantian theory that our even our logic is confined to a certain degree. And therefore, there could be of things out there which exist, but we shall never truly know it exists because the capacity of the human mind is limited. God can exists in a form our minds cannot fullyunderstand.
@utra1337 No perfect triangles exist? Pick any 3 stars. There, you have the vertices required to make a triangle. Look long and hard enough and you'll find the three that make an equilateral triangle.
@pavo6503 You'll never find three stars all "perfectly equal" distance away from eachother. If you've ever studied classical mechanics (or physics), you'll know that all measurements contain some form of error. Anyways, the main point is, perfect models we imagine in our minds never exist in the natural world, they are only used to model and explain natural phenomena. And what is truly real and perfect only exists in logic and the mind.
@pavo6503 And just to add to that, calculus works because we know it does. It was first derived from the ideas of Leibniz and Newton, when they tried to find a model to explain natural phenomena, such as motion etc... Newton did not observe calculus directly from nature, Newton observed nature and came up with calculus explain it. Just as religious scholars observe nature, and come up with God to explain it.
You're just proposing a false dilemma by claiming it is either the case that either God created the universe or it just "popped into existence out of nowhere for no apparent reason."
Who created reason? I say the tooth fairy is the best explanation because the toothe fairy has the power to create reason while others don't. So what's your explanation?
So if morality comes from God, then why are there so many forms of morality? Does this mean that each seperate form of morality originated from individual, numerous, and time-sensitive Gods? We learn morality through our interactions with other people. Oh, and as far as your naturalist friend, keep in mind that in science the null hypothesis is the default statement in any situation. Asking for that degree of certainty was a bit cartoonish, though.
If god does exist, out of the billions of planets out there, why this one. And when storms happen, there is no god punishing us, just look at Jupiter..
It may seem like I am trolling your videos, but its just that you're my new favorite theist.
But the order that you are talking about in the beginning doesn't emerge by chance (any more than the planets orbit the sun by chance), order emerges out of mathematics. This comes from the Laws of Physics, and you may say where did these come from, but that seems a strange question since I cannot imagine a universe that does not have governing properties. It seems impossible to be otherwise.
I stopped. At 0:37. I wasn't going to waste a single second more listening to this guy. I don't care what his argument is after that point. If he can't accept that the person proposing something exists has to prove it exists, and not the person you're trying to convince it does exist, then he automatically loses by default.
1) most animals have morals as those that didn't died out because they made themselves extinct, after all if everyone killed each other there would be no people left.
2) there are geological (erosion) and evolutional reasons for how everything is, but it takes a long time for something to evolve through random genetic mutations over millions of years.
3) there is chaos in the world (wars/ floods/ volcanoes/ earthquakes) but after a while things stabilise, like in chemical reactions.
If the universe is eternal, the chance of life is very likely. Which makes it very likely that there are other life forms in the universe.
I have an invisible dragon on my lap that can't be detected by anything and only I can see it. I can't prove mathematically that it exists, but I think that it has to exist because this invisible dragon provides order in the world. It is the dragon that gives us morality, not God. I made a good case for its existence. Your turn.
The alternative you keep suggesting is NOT the only alternative. There is also I Don't Know. You feel that God provides the best answer. I feel we should admit when we don't know something. Spirits were once the "best answer" to disease when really the cause was unknown UNTIL we discovered microbes. In fact everytime we've made a discovery that answers what was previously unknown, it's never been supernatural or divine. Your religions explain less and less with each new discovery.
why is it that the "friend" of the christian is always such a bone head straw man? while real atheists are so much smarter? it makes you wonder if Niles really just has an imaginary friend
Why do you need to MISREPRESENT the nontheistic position in order to entice people to agree with you or join your group or send you money or whatever it is that you're about? Only theists, misrepresenting the position of their opponents, say that "it all popped out of nowhere." No atheistic scientist studying the early states of the universe with an eye toward discovering an explanation for our existence says this. Only theists, by putting those words in our mouths, say this.
If you don't think about it (like religion teach you how not to think and ask question) this make sense! Well, until you ask the question, who the fuck created god? He would probably say; well god created himself! But that wouldn’t be possible because god is too complex and perfect to be created by an imperfect jealous god... Anyway, it’s probably Chuck Norris who started all of this.
It's been 1000s of years, and 1000s of gods have been invented or believed in. Never has anyone managed to provide decent evidence or reasoning for there being a god. Can anyone? This is the challenge. Do you have the faith to take it up? I certainly don't.
Sunday is the holy day to worship the Christian sun god, Jesus Christ. Christian tradition in general, represent motifs from older astrotheology and solar mythology, specifically reflecting legends and myths regarding the sun gods of antiquity.
"Twenty first century tools have allowed us to declare an intelligent designer" What the heck?! These arguments you continue to use are hundreds of years old and you keep vomiting the up. Eventually intelligent people just get bored. Tell me who created God. What's the point seriously. There are REAL problems in the world. I'm so sick arguing with these idiots.
@windigo77 No One Created God. God is Eternal that is something the Human mind Cannot Fathom because everything on Earth has a Beginning and a End. and lets say for Example God Doesn't Exist. The Laws of Physics state that Energy cannot be created nor Destroyed meaning all Matter has always Existed and always will Exist that is Eternal. Saying God Exists is just as logical as saying he doesn't.
@JusheisPwn Are you talking about the christian god? Because the christian god most definitely doesn't exist, nor does the bible describe him as existing in such a form. Most say he has a physical form, and we are made in his image. How can we be made in the image of something as etherial as you describe without also being ethereal ourselves? What you described is more closely related to a pantheist god.
@windigo77 The Bible states that God has Always Existed that he is Immortal and that He always will Exist. I can be made in his image Because I have Emotions and I feel and I can think and Reason and then When I die the Choice I made in Life determines where I Go. And when I die I won't just Stop Existing I'll go Heaven or Hell. At least thats what the bible says so It doesn't Contradict Anything
@JusheisPwn Question. Is your god prone to temper tantrums? The bible says he is, along with being jealous. Or is he perfect in every way, always reacting in a positive, and productive way. Do you consider temper tantrums to be an attribute of your god that tains the image of him being 'perfect'?
@windigo77 The Bible Doens't say he is Prone to Temper Tantrums and If it does please tell me where.... and he is Jealous because we put False idles before him If you had a Son and You poured out your love on your son and then Your son Decides someone else is his Father and Forgets you Wouldn't you be Jealous?
@JusheisPwn If my son decided that he had an imaginary person as his father (because, i'm the ONLY father ever) then I would chock it up to him being stupid.. not jealous.. Now, suppose there were other fathers that existed, then I would be jealous, but then that would be polytheism, since there is only one god.. right?
@JusheisPwn If there is only one God, then there is nobody for God to be jealous of. The fact that god is stated as being jealous, is a residual effect of the fact that back then, people DID believe in multiple gods. As for examples of god having temper tantrums Deut 29:27-28 Jesus throws a temper tantrum (Since Jesus is God) John 2:15.. I don't consider overturning tables and showing anger to be a godly thing. God would have handled that situation like an adult, instead
@windigo77 There is only one God but say your son Decided He Liked his Phone or his Xbox or any Possession before you Say he'd Rather have those Possessions you gave him Then rather have you alive? You'd be sad and Jealous Right you wouldn't be mad because you love your son. the Fact that God is Jealous is Good because It show's he Loves us. and now If Jesus would have walked into the Temple and Quietly Said that Selling in the Temple was wrong Would anyone have listened?
How can an intelligent person even ask this question?!
Answer: Atheists believe that their intelligence was made by stupidity (i.e. un-intelligence). Thus, it is understandable why they could ask such a question.
Why would God be created if he created the ability to be created (i.e. if he created the "arrow of time" and cause and effect)? If God is not subject to cause and effect, then he would never have been caused!
@equalsexes supporters of god just keep using irrational ways to justify something they can no know for certain. i wish people were more modest about this subject. please do not make up things in your mind. you are exactly like someone dieing of hunger in africa. you have no clue why we're here. but you're fortunate enough to be born into better circumstances. we need to take care of each other and not imagine differences that keep us apart.
You know only theists have the idea that it takes faith to be an atheist. Maybe it's true, i have no faith which is why i'm agnostic. God isn't the best explaination, that's just YOUR best explaination. And since you are not dead you have no proof. Everyong, atheists and theists alike, have the EXACT same facts about everything. No one has more facts than another. So when you die come back and tell me about god and i'll believe.
@Haharyne Christians have lied about the meaning of atheism for so long that even most atheists have it wrong. The prefix "a" or "an" means "without": asexual, amoral, atypical, anarchy. An atheist is simply anyone who lacks theism, anyone who is not a theist. We don't necessarily make a claim. In fact, most atheists are agnostic when pressed for a commitment. Besides, you're no more likely to "acknowledge" or worship a deity than I am; you're just as atheistic as I am. We both lack theism.
I got to about a minute and a half and then you just lost me, because "popping out of nowhere into existance" isn't at all what a fucking atheist states. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in the existance of gods. Beyond that your just making fucking assumptions. At this point you have to assume your god just popped into existance at some point as well, and if your god can then why can't the universe? Your a fucking moron.
good job man, i agree, it's like saying that an iPhone 3G with internet, camera, texting, not to mention all the apps, just happened randomly and was not a product of human minds
@RainAngel111 I just have to point out that an iPhone is not alive, does not breed, does not die from illness, dose not have to compete for food or mates. Also, you can sort of say that all iPhones are exactly the same. If we were all exactly the same then you might have a leg left to stand on.
theist "God walks amongst us" skeptic "we can open our eyes and look around us" theist "God is on the mountain" skeptic "we can climb the mountain" theist "God is in the clouds" skeptic "we can see/reach the clouds" theist "God is in space" skeptic "we can see/reach into space" theist "God is outside of space" skeptic "how did God get there?" theist "just always was"
I think the reason most people don't believe in God, is because they are uncomfortable with the idea of someone else being in control of there life besides them selves. A simple lack of trust i would think.
Perhaps the majority of individuals with the lack of belief in god is somehow connected to the ability to think reasonably using logic. There is no evidence for god and thus for it's not taken into any equation as a variable.
Using reason and logic is not even a requirement to see and understand the obvious. Mans attempt to see God using there failing intellect will always be the caus of self destruction.
Not only is it not required, it's frowned upon. Having blind faith is not a virtuous quality as one might think. Not any more than believing in Santa Clause, the Tooth fairy or the earth being flat. It's an excuse that lazy people make to justify their anti-social behavior. Why lazy? Unlike the old times we have a vast collection of knowledge at our fingertips given the internet, the most interesting invention, information wise, since the printing press.
Besides being complicated, reality is usually odd. It's not neat, not obvious, not what you expect. Don't you see a problem about there being a universe that contains much that is obviously bad and apparenty meaningless, but containing creatures like ourselves who know that it is bad and meaningless? How does atheism make sense then? The Christian view is correct on this. It is a good world that has gone wrong, but still retains the memory of what it should have been.
And the connection between "a universe being bad and meaningless" (which is your opinion) and "creatures like ourselves who know that it is bad and meaningless" is what? Did you really think this through? The christian view is correct on what? The christian view is usually false since you base most of your knowledge on scripture written by stupid illiterate people who were as backwards in thought as you are today. Please explain yourself, I'm not grasping your claim fully.
As we don't KNOW if there is or is not a God, then by definition being Agnostic would be the logical stance to have. The problem with being Agnostic (being Atheist is already illogical) is that there might be consequences in not attempting to follow some theistic stance. If you play the odds then loving all things would be a good state to obtain as most theistic beliefs have this as a primary condition to obtain.
@Silly2smart Which theistic stance should one obtain.. in case? What are the odds that there is a magical sky-daddy out there? What are the odds of there being either nothing or something else than sky-daddy? I hope you're good at math ;) You theistics sure are good at loving others. Isn't the Catholic church in some troubles at the moment for "loving" too much? One was hoping it would stop when it came to fuc*ing children. You can love a child but just don't LOVE a child, you know..
What is consciousness? First of all, conscioussness is not a thing, it's a process. There is no magical substance inside your brain that looks through your eyes and pulls all of the levers. The mind is not some transcendent component to the brain. The mind is what the brain does. It takes physical instruments to perform music just like it takes physical neurons to perform consciousness. Immortality cheapens life. Knowing that we will die means that we can never take life for granted.
Also, if theistic religion is wrong then we have demonized and persecuted homosexuals for no reason at all, the 9/11 hijackers never really found paradise, the Pope's insistence that it is better to spread AIDS than to wear a condom is wrong, and millions of children have been denied adequate education in science in favor of myth. Without religion we would have good people doing good things and bad people doing bad things. It takes religion to make good people do such horrific things.
As for morality. We don't follow the rules in the Bible about killing those who work on the Sabbath, adulterors, or misbehaving children. We celebrate Jesus' morality such as loving ones enemy and turning the other cheek. The only problem is that this code of morality was developed 600 years earlier by a chinese atheist named Lao Tzu. It makes much more sense for our moral responsibilities to rest in how we treat each other than how we follow arbitrary rules from God. Superstition only corrupts.
The teleological argument of order in the universe was thrown down 150 years ago. Order is comprehesively understood through physics, chemistry, evolutionary biology, and artificial design. While evolution is driven by random change such as mutation, the process itself is anything but random. I used to think that there was merit to this argument and so I studied evolution voraciously trying to find where it breaks down. It doesn't. Natural selection makes order and complexity inevitable.
I'll comment for each argument made. As far as the first cause goes, the idea of "God" begs an infinite regress of causes. If you can't show why God does not require a cause you simply can't declare that he does not by fiat. Since God cannot be explained, God explains nothing. Secondly naturalism does not hold that matter and energy came from nowhere. Matter and energy always existed while spacetime began to expand. For God to create matter and energy breaks the first law of thermodynamics.
There is no evidence to support God's existence, there is no evidence to falsify God's existence. Let's all throw a party in celebration that we exist!
You "think" God is the best explanation. There's the kicker. And we don't think that it all "popped" into existence. We don't know how it happened, and we are ok with that. I suspect that the galaxies evolved and developed over time, just as our own solar system and life on Earth evolved. Not "popped"....slowly evolved and grew. Big Bang perhaps to get it all going....but maybe not. There is no way to prove that God exists. Faith is an odd emotional need that we do not all require.
I just think it's ironic how atheists believe there is no meaning/deeper purpose to their lives, but then go on about using reason, logic and what not to live their lives as though there IS significant meaning to it. I just find it hard to believe that us (humanity) could have found our way into such a strange existence without some elaborate scheme drawing us in. That being said and all, I entirely respect the atheist view, because I once, was an atheist.
@Island - To make a better life for our kids, thus maintaining our species and quality of life is purpose. Life itself is purpose. Logic, reason, critical thinking all go into that improvement. A moral code that helps humanity is an extension of logic, which atheists hold dear. Our emotion, fear of death, and need for answers motivate people to believe in God because Christianity supplies answers and hope which satisfy the emotion. My need for truth is greater than my fear of death. God is myth.
@MCA8436 - Our zest for life and will to survive are instinctive. Just as all animals on Earth will fight to live, we all have an innate desire for life. Without it, life would not flourish. Humans are intelligent and sentient beings and our quest for knowledge is endless. We also tend to fear what we don't know, and death is the greatest unknown we ever encounter. It also means the end of life as we know it and that is a natural source of fear. We do not want to cease to exist.
Atheism is... well too simple. If there is no meaning to the universe, then we should have never found out there is no meaning. A mind created it, and our job is to find out what it is and do what it wants us to do, brotha:) I found it, and I'm so amazed, because for the last 4 years I was in your shoes. A purpose-driven life > an uncertain life.
If it's a fictional deity then it could have never saved and transformed millions of lives throughout history and still to this day. That sounds like nonfiction if you ask me. I know just what you're thinking, just last year I would have been laughing at this post I'm writing. As you surrender your life to God, he moves, shows you the secrets of life and helps you out, I kid you not. It sounds crazy, but it's really real! If it wasn't then why do people still believe today? Ever think about that
You can say you have changed, people in prison always find god. Course when the get out, they go right back in! People dont change because of god, they only say they have.
I dont know why people believe in god. Partly the reason im here. I never ever ever felt a entire godly impulse my entire life. If there is a god, and he asks me why i dont believe in him, all i need to say is you made me this way.
Well I'm glad you're searching for the truth and not just wasting your life away. All I can say is that I hope the same thing happens to you that has happened to me. It's just an amazing feeling. I was the biggest skeptic, but God somehow rocked my world and my outlook on life is completely different now.
If you want to discourage belief in God, you must furnish arguments to support your own atheistic views. I find that today's atheist evangelists hardly even try to argue their case in regard!
Read 'mere christianity' by c.s. lewis if you'd like to hear a rational case for the christian faith. Remember...I was an atheist, just like you. I made fun of christians (and theists in general) all the time and demanded evidence from them. All that changed. But I really encourage you to read that book.
Science's domain is to explore nature. God's domain is in the spiritual, a realm not possible to explore with the tools and language of science. It must be examined with the heart, the mind and the soul. Both these perspectives can co-exist within us. Science is powerless to answer the big questions such as Why did the universe come into being? What is the meaning of human existence? What happens when we die?
@IslandMonster69 I have known about God since I was little. And I believed in Him. But it was only recently I have really UNDERSTOOD what it means to live for God. Now, I have a completely different outlook on life... and I just can't stop that unending joy I feel as I learn to live life with a purpose!
To fix this video, replace word faith by "critical thinking" and you fix this video quite nicely. It takes more critical thinking to be an atheist than a theist. Ignorance defaults easily to theism.
You have the problem here of infinite regress which you fail to address. And again, your argument (known basically as the Kalam argument) is merely an argument for the deistic God.
That made me nauseous. Isn't neither the default position, since we obviously aren't born with knowledge? The side making doesn't occur until the definition is presented. The obtaining of knowledge comes through action, builds up.. is a foundation for other knowledge. God is not knowledge, it's an assumption and not really a good one at that.. The reason for life might be as insignificant as the reason for rocks or gas or water.. It's just there. Just a though..
God isn't the best explanation. He is just an easy explanation. You didn't make a good case either. All of this shit obviously didn't just pop out of nowhere, nobody actually thinks that. People just haven't found out yet what all the answers are to all the big questions.
You'd have to know the answer for you to make that statement making the statement outdated and pointless. Do you know the answer? If so, could you prove it?
@manu191357 "If you don't know God, you can't explain anything."
Nicely done. I hate when people introduce explanations for which those explanations don't have any evidence outside of what their explaining.
Dark matter we can't see or even detect directly but we have evidence based on the physical effects and the reasoning that the laws of nature can't be so consistently off in certain circumstances.
Without causation a god is useless, god doesn't create causation, he damn right depends on it.
Without it, nothing could neither cause god, and neither could god cause anything else.
If God exists as an entity that has some quality, it is given by causation which without he would be powerless.
Atheism doesn't claim randomnes.
Morality comes from consciousness, and we have no way of knowing what is beyond consciousness, so what caused our consciousness is never certain only that it did.
i don't understand how an atheist can value intelligence in dismissing intelligence. If he believe he has the capability of coming to a rational conclusion based upon intelligence to debunk intelligent design, why then believe that anything can come from that belief if intelligence is degraded to such a large extent on the part of the atheist.
Well, I think it's absurd and shows lack of ability to be humble to assume if god does not exist then the only other alternative is the old 'something came from nothing'. Don't get me wrong, I'm open to the possibility of a god. However, what tends to irritate me most is when people make the exagerated leap that this god cares what you eat, what you wear, who you sleep with etc.
(cont.) The problem is that God is NOT the best explanation, because it does not give any clue HOW God did it, WHY God did it, if there is a PURPOSE to all of it, etc. Not even mentioning that the creation of God must still be explained. If God did need to be created, then why would Nature need to have been created. Or, is Nature=God and God=Nature.
The word Elohim (which means powers), could even be the ancient word for the powers of Nature.
Well let's say that there IS (or WAS) A deity, why would it have anything to do with any religion that exists today?
Even if the conclusion would be that A god is the best explanation (which doesn;t mean it is TRUE), then it is still no proof of anything any book says about that god. USING the WORD god, does not give it ANY meaning, unless it is defined and scientifically explained what that god is. Religion is the believe in a BOOK.
1) So all this has nothing to do with Chemistry, but with physics. I guess that makes some sense. I find it kind of funny how science denies itself. It's still cool to learn about tho. Since I was little, I loved science. Even tho most scientists leave God out of the equation it is still cool. From what I believe, it makes God look everso more awesome. If he created all this (which may not be your belief, but mine), then how much does it add to the power and authority over what God controls?
2) The only problem with some arguments scientists make is that things have to be just as it is or everything goes through the wall. Some theories are just spurn off the imagination with a bunch of assumptions. Without those assumptions, the theory fails. Also, some theories are built upon other theories. So if one theory has an assumption, any theory that depends on that one then turns into an assumption.
3) If there were tons of theories built upon each other, then the chances of the theory being true should drop down, all hypothetical of course. It will be like when you point a telescope in the sky at a distant star, but you're off by 1 degree, that 1 degree can turn into a billion miles from that star. Other than that, science is really cool! Even some of the ideas that, to me, seem far fetched are really interesting. They really get me thinking.
4) You will probably ask me to prove that there are assumptions, but that may be difficult to prove. Some will disagree, but know that the theory of evolution has assumptions. Don't believe me, check out "Incredible Creatures that Defy Evolution 1" & 2 on google video. It brings up interesting ideas and concepts. Also, one more thing... You can continue to believe what you believe, but what if God created all of this just as it is?
5) What if God created all the shapes on the earths surface to show an older earth? God created Adam and Eve not as baby's but as full grown humans. There would have to be evidence that indeed they did grow, but they didn't. They just happened in midstate of a human life. Can't that be the same for the earth? Can't the earth and all that surrounds it come into existence in midstate?
6) I'm not trying to argue, it's just something to think about. Scientists ask a lot of 'what if' questions, so I was trying to throw some out there. You don't have to reply, just think about it. Even if what I asked was a fact, this wouldn't stop scientists from continuing what they are doing. Theres a lot of knowledge out there that just has to quench mans thirst.
Again, it is just 'What if ...' What if, is no argument and no evidence.
'I wish, I were rich' is not the same like beeing really rich. Of course, a wish can be the momentum for ones next action; or if someone listens to you, he might fullfil your wish. But just asking 'What if God created all ..' does not bring God into existence.
However, 'what if' is the beginning statement of which a scientist wants to research to find an aswer to. ex: What if the earth was not the center of our solar system, but the sun was? Through research, the scientist finds his answer. Through research, if you dare to, my 'what if' question can be carefully thought and not thrown completely to the side. That is why I asked a 'what if' question. It does not prove God's existence, but gives you the opportunity to find out for yourself.
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What is your EVIDENCE of Existence of God!
TheCorrectInfo 2 months ago
The Big Bang. Poof, magic it happened!
Thus God must be true. God created it, makes sense, cool.
But wait, wasn't there a poof! and God existed? Oh ya, God always existed. Hm, sound cyclical?
Son0fHobs 5 months ago
@Son0fHobs Yeah God always existed and in some point between the infinity to the past and infinity to the future it created the world. But god is cool, he can apparently make infinite time (in his past) just go like 1 second and not take forever...
upisoft2 2 weeks ago
Every word that uv just said is utter ball shit, the answer to "the reason for r existence" is.. I dnt no! U can't just say oh it must have been god lol u dumb ass!
Mindslave1985 6 months ago
just because science hasn't been able to reproduce the origin of life, doesn't mean the default position is some man in a sky. You can claim anything can exist, but there's things that you can't disprove. As Richard Dawkins says, if i tell you there's a giant spaghetti monster in the sky you can't tell me there's not because you can't disprove it. (something along those lines) but obviously that's not the case.
goaliedude32 6 months ago
You've made a case for the existence of YOU and your perception of the universe but not much else.
Hufflewaffle 7 months ago
If God exist, Why doesn't God exist?
S1mpleZach12 8 months ago
just because something explains it best doesnt make it true. for example if a car crashes and the road is icy the most likely cause would have been the road being icy, but it doesnt mean that that has to be the case. it doesnt really seem like a soid argument to me.
gillyobaggin 8 months ago
it didn't just pop into existence it took TIME and LOTS OF IT y do no christans get that and there is no case to god nothing u can do can prove him but science can never dis prove him because nothign in science is 100% to never be proven the most u could ever get it 99.999 .... and so on.
DAKGOD4EVER 9 months ago
Just a thought...could it be that the stone age concept of understanding may be more properly applied to man's inability to understand GOD and not the lack of God's existence. Take the earth being round for instance. The bible spoke about it but yet scientists of the day argued some of the same as today's fallen men argue.
nicknchrist 9 months ago
I think it would be best if before spewing nonsense you picked up a book and learned a little big about how things really work and how they came to be.All your video proves is your infinite, cosmic ignorance about the fundamentals of science. That very science whose byproduct, technology, allows you to be on youtube expressing bronze age beliefs.
10minutejoomla 9 months ago
your best bud is a terrible person to have an argument with. TRY ME RANDALL NILES! a person who doesnt believe in god and asks you to prove gods existence, doesnt know shit about having a debate in this subject. so try having it with someone who does! maybe your mind will open up and change.
itsVINCEC 10 months ago
I think there are far better explanations as to how the universe came to be but an entity sounds absurd to me. What would a perfect being want with life? Why would a perfect being want anything at all if it was perfect? I just think we as people should look to the numerous possibilities before we state one and hold it as truth such as a divine being.
Requiemxtoxinnocence 11 months ago
"It takes more faith to be an atheist" ...LOL
titoyepezliut 11 months ago
The thing is, we all have free agency to choose God. Free agency is a higher law of the universe. God will never be proven by science, because that would destroy the higher law of free agency. It starts with a desire to know God or not. Without desire never will any man or woman know God. I can however, compliment the existence of God with evolution and all scientific theory that we now use to argue his absence with. wwwprobingreligioncom
probrel 11 months ago
@probrel Yup, that's true. Same goes for "god", fairies, Loch Ness Monster, Superman, etc ...it all relies on belief and desire.
titoyepezliut 11 months ago
@titoyepezliut Ya know what cracks me up about people like you? The fact that there are literally thousands like you that waste a whole crap load of time watching and commenting on these videos only to tear down other people's beliefs. And for what?? The belief in God (for the most part) only contributes to better values of the individual believer. I really want to know why you spend so much time trying to piss people off. Honestly, I want to know!
probrel 11 months ago
@probrel Well, it's not that I spent my time. First, like you, I want to understand why people truly believe in things like gods or supernatural stuff. I really think everyone is capable to reason and differ reality from fiction, all I want is people question themselves about their belief. You don't need to worship a god to be a good person, we don't need a fantastic explanation for our behaviour, knowledge or nature. I'm sorry if I pissed you off, that wasn't my intention at all
titoyepezliut 11 months ago
@probrel Generally, it's not like you said that belief in god only contributes to better values of the individual believer. Have you ever wonder why people crash down airplanes into skyscrapers? why they carry bombs to blow up public squares? why indoctrinate children? why children are murdered or raped? Why people rejects medical treatments? why people mutilate children genitalia? why women are stoned? ...all of that in the name of a deity. As you see it's not only an inoffensive belief
titoyepezliut 11 months ago
@titoyepezliut I can see now what you meant with your comment that pertained to superman and fairies, maybe not as a mocking remark, but as stating possible sources for inspiration, and purpose. I was now angry, I just find people like you curious, and wanted to know what makes you tick. It sounds to me that you live life in a very philosophical context, or the finding of unbiased truth, as do I. I have a website that does just that. Feel free to check it out some time. wwwprobingreligioncom.
probrel 11 months ago
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@probrel Thanks, I'll check it out
titoyepezliut 11 months ago
@probrel I really thank you for you comment, because you'll see that I'm not trying to tear down or mock of someone's belief. Honestly, for your comment I can see you're an intelligent and a good person.Feel free to question your belief, give it a try, perhaps you'll grasp another points of view or else your faith will become stronger if you do understand how and why you believe in a god. Greets
titoyepezliut 11 months ago
If god exists than he/she/it would be part of nature. So tell me. Why would this person give you a sense of purpose? Let's just assume god exists. Ok, now what? What does it matter? It changes nothing. The Earth continues to orbit around the Sun. The events of the Earth continue as they always have. God has no purpose. The laws of the universe allow for intelligence to arise. If god does exist than it was the universe that allowed him to. So why not just us? Why god then us?
jwil2570 11 months ago
please don't have kids.
FlyinHawaiin23 11 months ago
Order in the world? LOL
Ivanbasyn 1 year ago
I am simply amazed by this video. It boggles my mind that someone with such low reasoning skills is able to operate a camera and then subsequently post what he recorded on youtube. Surely, such a procedure for a man of this mental caliber is pushing the boundaries of what his brain can compute.
TheLuckySaGe 1 year ago
first offyour standing with no papers or books of any kind, the sciencetist have many books... where all yours ? proof this is not
skafan89 1 year ago
Someone needs to send this guy back to a high school physics class and teach him to form a linear argument.
SAOS451316 1 year ago
Why not debunk their hypothesis (from GodProved com)?
Atheist hypothesis, "Un-intelligence made me intelligent."
If an atheist doesn't agree with this hypothesis, then you won the debate right then and there.
Not only does this hypothesis sound stupid, no test can prove it and it is not useful for making any predictions.
Atheism is debunked.
It is testable that an intelligent designer made artificial intelligence.
Thus, God is supported by testable evidence (Romans 1:20).
equalsexes 1 year ago
@equalsexes
Wow. Havent read anything that inane for quite some time.
So your argument, if I can call it that, is that because the theory that humans evolved can't be proven, and doesn't make predictions, means that the theory that there is no god is proven false.
....No I can't call it an argument. You figure out why.
Please provide the testable evidence for intelligent design. You will win a Nobel price for that.
Sabbah1 1 year ago
@Sabbah1 said, "because the theory that humans evolved can't be proven, and doesn't make predictions, means that the theory that there is no god is proven false."
No. The atheist hypothesis, "Un-intelligence made me intelligent." has no evidence. Thus, atheism is false.
"Please provide the testable evidence for intelligent design. You will win a Nobel price for that."
It took intelligent engineers to design artificial intelligence. This is testable evidence.
equalsexes 1 year ago
@equalsexes
Ummm...
a: We haven't created artificial intelligence yet.
b: Even if we had this only show that intelligent beings can design things. So your claim is essentially that because humans can design things then biological systems must have been designed. Try and figure out why that isn't testable evidence.
Looking forward to your response....it should be creative.
Sabbah1 1 year ago
@Sabbah1 said, "a: We haven't created artificial intelligence yet."
I agree that you may not have created artificial intelligence yet but the rest of the world has been actually using it for quite some time. Maybe you are not very tech knowledgable?
"...because humans can design things then biological systems must have been designed."
All testable evidence shows us that: Systems, processes, intelligence, laws, etc., have designers. Designers are also not intrinsically detectable.
equalsexes 7 months ago
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Why not include their hypothesis and require testable evidence. Here's from GodProved com.
Atheist hypothesis: "Un-intelligence made me intelligent."
If they don't agree with this, then you have won the argument right then and there.
This atheist hypothesis sounds stupid! It also fails when tested and can't make any useful predictions.
Atheism debunked.
Now, it is testable that intelligent designers made artificial intelligence.
Thus, evidence of God.
equalsexes 1 year ago
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equalsexes 1 year ago
I thought he was going to make a coherent argument for the existence of God....maybe next time
Sabbah1 1 year ago
Just stating "God done it", is the most intellectually bankrupt way to look at anything. It just means we can say "God done it" for ANYTHING we don't understand. This would take us back to the Dark Ages which is where mankind was before science and rationalism pulled it screaming and kicking to where we are now.
Let's not let half wits like this take us back there.
almahad 1 year ago
The universe isn't random and didn't happen by chance. The laws of physics existed before the Big Bang and the universe operates on those rules and laws. "God" is a simple way to throw up your hands and say, "I don't understand something, I'm not going to try at all and I am to scared to learn."
pavo6503 1 year ago
I hope your not demonstrating the case for the existence of only the god of the Bible cause he isn't the only one us humans worship.
eldiosdedios 1 year ago
That is one sweet shirt that guy has.
bilobaman 1 year ago
@bilobaman I agree that the shirt is cool but, I don't accept the argument from fashion.
DocSquidly 1 year ago
You start off you proof with "i think god created..." How can you start off your proof with that? Whos god? Why is there reason to believe there is a super natural. That what we want you to prove. What is God and why is there reason to believe in one. And when I say one, I mean....there are so many..which one exactly are you talking about? You do have to prove you claim. We don't, we aren't claiming anything. Macro we looked "designed" but micro we are terribly designed. Human eye, oxygen intake
theUSER101 1 year ago
God literally does not exist. He's a concept that lives in your mind. Stop mistaking you thoughts for reality you psycho.
drogden 1 year ago
@drogden sure we 'made up' god. Just like we made up circles and triangles, we 'made up' differential calculus, and vector sums. We 'made up' many things. I assure you, in the world of pure logic, and mathematics, god's existence is quite likely.
utra1337 1 year ago
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@utra1337 I didn't say "made up" i don't know why you quoted that. Circles and triangles exist in reality, but differential calculus, and vector sums don't. They are concepts that only exist in our minds. Logically god cannot exist in reality because it's self contradictory like a triangle circle. You have nfi what you are talking about.
drogden 1 year ago
@drogden you have nfi what I am talking about because you havenet spent several semesters studying differential equations, philosophy, and clasical mechanics. Id like to enlighten you more, but it doesnt seem possible because you have much learning to do.
utra1337 1 year ago
@utra1337 Well that's not an argument. You're just claiming knowledge. It doesn't mean anything. Make a point if you can. Your argument from authority equates to absolutely nothing. I'm asking you please enlighten me, since I'm so profoundly ignorant.
drogden 1 year ago 3
@utra1337 We didn't "make up" any of the things you mention. Triangles, calculus, geometry, trigonometry, physics, biology, chemistry all existed before we studied them and discovered them. Calculus doesn't simply work because we believe it does. It works because it is a true and natural thing that can be studied, observed, recorded and tested. It yields the same results every time. In the world of pure logic, God will fade away. It's OK, you will still exist.
pavo6503 1 year ago
@pavo6503 Excuse me, to the extent of our knowledge the perfect triangle does not exist in the real world. The form of a triangle only exists in our minds. Neither does a sin function, a 2nd order differential equation... and so on. We use our our logic to create models, which can explain natural phenomena. Of which we understand that sometimes our senses can fool us, but our logic cannot. God, another creation of the human mind, can be used to explain the natural world.
utra1337 1 year ago
@utra1337 So let me get this straight. You completely agree with me, but have totally misunderstood everything I wrote? God is a childish cop out. The natural world needs no magical being to explain it. The universe has laws and the it consistently follows them. God is an inconsistent creation of man who behaves like the worst manic-depressive psychopath. Don't try to confuse the issue by throwing theoretical mathematics into the discussion.
pavo6503 1 year ago
@pavo6503 You, self-presumed intellectual you'd like to think that you know everything about the natural world. But true scholars always know that the more they know the less they know (Socrates). It was the famous Kantian theory that our even our logic is confined to a certain degree. And therefore, there could be of things out there which exist, but we shall never truly know it exists because the capacity of the human mind is limited. God can exists in a form our minds cannot fullyunderstand.
utra1337 1 year ago
@utra1337 No perfect triangles exist? Pick any 3 stars. There, you have the vertices required to make a triangle. Look long and hard enough and you'll find the three that make an equilateral triangle.
pavo6503 1 year ago
@pavo6503 You'll never find three stars all "perfectly equal" distance away from eachother. If you've ever studied classical mechanics (or physics), you'll know that all measurements contain some form of error. Anyways, the main point is, perfect models we imagine in our minds never exist in the natural world, they are only used to model and explain natural phenomena. And what is truly real and perfect only exists in logic and the mind.
utra1337 1 year ago
@pavo6503 And just to add to that, calculus works because we know it does. It was first derived from the ideas of Leibniz and Newton, when they tried to find a model to explain natural phenomena, such as motion etc... Newton did not observe calculus directly from nature, Newton observed nature and came up with calculus explain it. Just as religious scholars observe nature, and come up with God to explain it.
utra1337 1 year ago
Religion is a cancer that preys upon the minds of innocent children.
drogden 1 year ago
You're just proposing a false dilemma by claiming it is either the case that either God created the universe or it just "popped into existence out of nowhere for no apparent reason."
Fallacy.
nichtmuttersprachler 1 year ago
i think they are happy with random chances and millions of years.
roniepao 1 year ago
prove the existence of watchmaker.
roniepao 1 year ago
Who created reason? I say the tooth fairy is the best explanation because the toothe fairy has the power to create reason while others don't. So what's your explanation?
RuinSonic 1 year ago
So if morality comes from God, then why are there so many forms of morality? Does this mean that each seperate form of morality originated from individual, numerous, and time-sensitive Gods? We learn morality through our interactions with other people. Oh, and as far as your naturalist friend, keep in mind that in science the null hypothesis is the default statement in any situation. Asking for that degree of certainty was a bit cartoonish, though.
stizzorm 1 year ago
Look!
It's reason!
It's Logic! NO!
IT"S GOD OF THE GAPS!
TheWordsNotSpoken 1 year ago
70 likes and 70 dislikes, I'll break this balance... I shall dislike this video because I'm kind of Atheist :D
caha11 1 year ago
@caha11 " I shall dislike this video because I'm kind of Atheist :D"
I shall dislike this video as a straight man :P
RuinSonic 1 year ago
If god does exist, out of the billions of planets out there, why this one. And when storms happen, there is no god punishing us, just look at Jupiter..
IceColdComedy 1 year ago
It may seem like I am trolling your videos, but its just that you're my new favorite theist.
But the order that you are talking about in the beginning doesn't emerge by chance (any more than the planets orbit the sun by chance), order emerges out of mathematics. This comes from the Laws of Physics, and you may say where did these come from, but that seems a strange question since I cannot imagine a universe that does not have governing properties. It seems impossible to be otherwise.
Keeban3 1 year ago
I stopped. At 0:37. I wasn't going to waste a single second more listening to this guy. I don't care what his argument is after that point. If he can't accept that the person proposing something exists has to prove it exists, and not the person you're trying to convince it does exist, then he automatically loses by default.
gradyiscool 1 year ago
1) most animals have morals as those that didn't died out because they made themselves extinct, after all if everyone killed each other there would be no people left.
2) there are geological (erosion) and evolutional reasons for how everything is, but it takes a long time for something to evolve through random genetic mutations over millions of years.
3) there is chaos in the world (wars/ floods/ volcanoes/ earthquakes) but after a while things stabilise, like in chemical reactions.
noonathon 1 year ago
If the universe is eternal, the chance of life is very likely. Which makes it very likely that there are other life forms in the universe.
I have an invisible dragon on my lap that can't be detected by anything and only I can see it. I can't prove mathematically that it exists, but I think that it has to exist because this invisible dragon provides order in the world. It is the dragon that gives us morality, not God. I made a good case for its existence. Your turn.
Phirelord77 1 year ago
If Atheism is a faith, then health is a disease.
Benlew112358 1 year ago
you should view my video on the supposed randomness of the universe.
That'll shed more light on some parts of this debate
ourhandsaretied 1 year ago
The alternative you keep suggesting is NOT the only alternative. There is also I Don't Know. You feel that God provides the best answer. I feel we should admit when we don't know something. Spirits were once the "best answer" to disease when really the cause was unknown UNTIL we discovered microbes. In fact everytime we've made a discovery that answers what was previously unknown, it's never been supernatural or divine. Your religions explain less and less with each new discovery.
klfly 1 year ago
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Scanini 1 year ago
why is it that the "friend" of the christian is always such a bone head straw man? while real atheists are so much smarter? it makes you wonder if Niles really just has an imaginary friend
NegativeNick 1 year ago
Why do you need to MISREPRESENT the nontheistic position in order to entice people to agree with you or join your group or send you money or whatever it is that you're about? Only theists, misrepresenting the position of their opponents, say that "it all popped out of nowhere." No atheistic scientist studying the early states of the universe with an eye toward discovering an explanation for our existence says this. Only theists, by putting those words in our mouths, say this.
cliffwalkinfool 1 year ago
You're just saying what would be the best explanation, you take no time in explaining how that explanation is even real. How is this proving God
Keviarti 1 year ago 9
If you don't think about it (like religion teach you how not to think and ask question) this make sense! Well, until you ask the question, who the fuck created god? He would probably say; well god created himself! But that wouldn’t be possible because god is too complex and perfect to be created by an imperfect jealous god... Anyway, it’s probably Chuck Norris who started all of this.
jilaslamord 1 year ago
do any of you ever explain your existence to your dog or to an ant? Why do you expect to know or demand anything from a god if thats who created us?
you are not entitled to anything.
zoddie 1 year ago
The Theist Challenge
It's been 1000s of years, and 1000s of gods have been invented or believed in. Never has anyone managed to provide decent evidence or reasoning for there being a god. Can anyone? This is the challenge. Do you have the faith to take it up? I certainly don't.
Ozzyman200 1 year ago
Where the HELL are the GOD DAMNED MICROSCOPIC IMAGES you insect!!??
There's a special place waiting for jackasses like you when you die and it won't be with the rest of us.
USA300allstars 1 year ago
Sunday is the holy day to worship the Christian sun god, Jesus Christ. Christian tradition in general, represent motifs from older astrotheology and solar mythology, specifically reflecting legends and myths regarding the sun gods of antiquity.
Psalms 84:11
For the LORD God is a sun and shield
mymojorisin 1 year ago
"Twenty first century tools have allowed us to declare an intelligent designer" What the heck?! These arguments you continue to use are hundreds of years old and you keep vomiting the up. Eventually intelligent people just get bored. Tell me who created God. What's the point seriously. There are REAL problems in the world. I'm so sick arguing with these idiots.
windigo77 1 year ago 15
@windigo77 No One Created God. God is Eternal that is something the Human mind Cannot Fathom because everything on Earth has a Beginning and a End. and lets say for Example God Doesn't Exist. The Laws of Physics state that Energy cannot be created nor Destroyed meaning all Matter has always Existed and always will Exist that is Eternal. Saying God Exists is just as logical as saying he doesn't.
JusheisPwn 1 year ago
@JusheisPwn That's not what the bible says.
windigo77 1 year ago
@windigo77 Whats not what the bible says?
JusheisPwn 1 year ago
@JusheisPwn Are you talking about the christian god? Because the christian god most definitely doesn't exist, nor does the bible describe him as existing in such a form. Most say he has a physical form, and we are made in his image. How can we be made in the image of something as etherial as you describe without also being ethereal ourselves? What you described is more closely related to a pantheist god.
windigo77 1 year ago
@windigo77 The Bible states that God has Always Existed that he is Immortal and that He always will Exist. I can be made in his image Because I have Emotions and I feel and I can think and Reason and then When I die the Choice I made in Life determines where I Go. And when I die I won't just Stop Existing I'll go Heaven or Hell. At least thats what the bible says so It doesn't Contradict Anything
JusheisPwn 1 year ago
@JusheisPwn Question. Is your god prone to temper tantrums? The bible says he is, along with being jealous. Or is he perfect in every way, always reacting in a positive, and productive way. Do you consider temper tantrums to be an attribute of your god that tains the image of him being 'perfect'?
windigo77 1 year ago
@windigo77 The Bible Doens't say he is Prone to Temper Tantrums and If it does please tell me where.... and he is Jealous because we put False idles before him If you had a Son and You poured out your love on your son and then Your son Decides someone else is his Father and Forgets you Wouldn't you be Jealous?
JusheisPwn 1 year ago
@JusheisPwn If my son decided that he had an imaginary person as his father (because, i'm the ONLY father ever) then I would chock it up to him being stupid.. not jealous.. Now, suppose there were other fathers that existed, then I would be jealous, but then that would be polytheism, since there is only one god.. right?
windigo77 1 year ago
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windigo77 1 year ago
@JusheisPwn If there is only one God, then there is nobody for God to be jealous of. The fact that god is stated as being jealous, is a residual effect of the fact that back then, people DID believe in multiple gods. As for examples of god having temper tantrums Deut 29:27-28 Jesus throws a temper tantrum (Since Jesus is God) John 2:15.. I don't consider overturning tables and showing anger to be a godly thing. God would have handled that situation like an adult, instead
windigo77 1 year ago
@windigo77 There is only one God but say your son Decided He Liked his Phone or his Xbox or any Possession before you Say he'd Rather have those Possessions you gave him Then rather have you alive? You'd be sad and Jealous Right you wouldn't be mad because you love your son. the Fact that God is Jealous is Good because It show's he Loves us. and now If Jesus would have walked into the Temple and Quietly Said that Selling in the Temple was wrong Would anyone have listened?
JusheisPwn 1 year ago
@windigo77 Then why do you "argue with these idiots"
luridoptics 1 year ago
@luridoptics I don't anymore. I posted that comment 7 months ago. My crosshairs are targeting mormonism now.
windigo77 1 year ago
@windigo77 said, "Tell me who created God."
How can an intelligent person even ask this question?!
Answer: Atheists believe that their intelligence was made by stupidity (i.e. un-intelligence). Thus, it is understandable why they could ask such a question.
Why would God be created if he created the ability to be created (i.e. if he created the "arrow of time" and cause and effect)? If God is not subject to cause and effect, then he would never have been caused!
equalsexes 7 months ago
@equalsexes supporters of god just keep using irrational ways to justify something they can no know for certain. i wish people were more modest about this subject. please do not make up things in your mind. you are exactly like someone dieing of hunger in africa. you have no clue why we're here. but you're fortunate enough to be born into better circumstances. we need to take care of each other and not imagine differences that keep us apart.
goaliedude32 6 months ago
You know only theists have the idea that it takes faith to be an atheist. Maybe it's true, i have no faith which is why i'm agnostic. God isn't the best explaination, that's just YOUR best explaination. And since you are not dead you have no proof. Everyong, atheists and theists alike, have the EXACT same facts about everything. No one has more facts than another. So when you die come back and tell me about god and i'll believe.
Haharyne 1 year ago
@Haharyne Christians have lied about the meaning of atheism for so long that even most atheists have it wrong. The prefix "a" or "an" means "without": asexual, amoral, atypical, anarchy. An atheist is simply anyone who lacks theism, anyone who is not a theist. We don't necessarily make a claim. In fact, most atheists are agnostic when pressed for a commitment. Besides, you're no more likely to "acknowledge" or worship a deity than I am; you're just as atheistic as I am. We both lack theism.
cliffwalkinfool 1 year ago
I got to about a minute and a half and then you just lost me, because "popping out of nowhere into existance" isn't at all what a fucking atheist states. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in the existance of gods. Beyond that your just making fucking assumptions. At this point you have to assume your god just popped into existance at some point as well, and if your god can then why can't the universe? Your a fucking moron.
ZechsLightningBaron 1 year ago
Well apparently I'm a bigger man of faith then the pope. LOL
legion2k 1 year ago
good job man, i agree, it's like saying that an iPhone 3G with internet, camera, texting, not to mention all the apps, just happened randomly and was not a product of human minds
RainAngel111 1 year ago
@RainAngel111 I just have to point out that an iPhone is not alive, does not breed, does not die from illness, dose not have to compete for food or mates. Also, you can sort of say that all iPhones are exactly the same. If we were all exactly the same then you might have a leg left to stand on.
legion2k 1 year ago
robvlob 1 year ago
I think the reason most people don't believe in God, is because they are uncomfortable with the idea of someone else being in control of there life besides them selves. A simple lack of trust i would think.
virtualguitarist 1 year ago
Perhaps the majority of individuals with the lack of belief in god is somehow connected to the ability to think reasonably using logic. There is no evidence for god and thus for it's not taken into any equation as a variable.
afroschlan 1 year ago
Using reason and logic is not even a requirement to see and understand the obvious. Mans attempt to see God using there failing intellect will always be the caus of self destruction.
virtualguitarist 1 year ago 2
Not only is it not required, it's frowned upon. Having blind faith is not a virtuous quality as one might think. Not any more than believing in Santa Clause, the Tooth fairy or the earth being flat. It's an excuse that lazy people make to justify their anti-social behavior. Why lazy? Unlike the old times we have a vast collection of knowledge at our fingertips given the internet, the most interesting invention, information wise, since the printing press.
afroschlan 1 year ago
Besides being complicated, reality is usually odd. It's not neat, not obvious, not what you expect. Don't you see a problem about there being a universe that contains much that is obviously bad and apparenty meaningless, but containing creatures like ourselves who know that it is bad and meaningless? How does atheism make sense then? The Christian view is correct on this. It is a good world that has gone wrong, but still retains the memory of what it should have been.
IslandMonster69 1 year ago
And the connection between "a universe being bad and meaningless" (which is your opinion) and "creatures like ourselves who know that it is bad and meaningless" is what? Did you really think this through? The christian view is correct on what? The christian view is usually false since you base most of your knowledge on scripture written by stupid illiterate people who were as backwards in thought as you are today. Please explain yourself, I'm not grasping your claim fully.
afroschlan 1 year ago
As we don't KNOW if there is or is not a God, then by definition being Agnostic would be the logical stance to have. The problem with being Agnostic (being Atheist is already illogical) is that there might be consequences in not attempting to follow some theistic stance. If you play the odds then loving all things would be a good state to obtain as most theistic beliefs have this as a primary condition to obtain.
Silly2smart 1 year ago
@Silly2smart Which theistic stance should one obtain.. in case? What are the odds that there is a magical sky-daddy out there? What are the odds of there being either nothing or something else than sky-daddy? I hope you're good at math ;) You theistics sure are good at loving others. Isn't the Catholic church in some troubles at the moment for "loving" too much? One was hoping it would stop when it came to fuc*ing children. You can love a child but just don't LOVE a child, you know..
afroschlan 1 year ago
What is consciousness? First of all, conscioussness is not a thing, it's a process. There is no magical substance inside your brain that looks through your eyes and pulls all of the levers. The mind is not some transcendent component to the brain. The mind is what the brain does. It takes physical instruments to perform music just like it takes physical neurons to perform consciousness. Immortality cheapens life. Knowing that we will die means that we can never take life for granted.
jklarson66 1 year ago
Also, if theistic religion is wrong then we have demonized and persecuted homosexuals for no reason at all, the 9/11 hijackers never really found paradise, the Pope's insistence that it is better to spread AIDS than to wear a condom is wrong, and millions of children have been denied adequate education in science in favor of myth. Without religion we would have good people doing good things and bad people doing bad things. It takes religion to make good people do such horrific things.
jklarson66 1 year ago
As for morality. We don't follow the rules in the Bible about killing those who work on the Sabbath, adulterors, or misbehaving children. We celebrate Jesus' morality such as loving ones enemy and turning the other cheek. The only problem is that this code of morality was developed 600 years earlier by a chinese atheist named Lao Tzu. It makes much more sense for our moral responsibilities to rest in how we treat each other than how we follow arbitrary rules from God. Superstition only corrupts.
jklarson66 1 year ago
The teleological argument of order in the universe was thrown down 150 years ago. Order is comprehesively understood through physics, chemistry, evolutionary biology, and artificial design. While evolution is driven by random change such as mutation, the process itself is anything but random. I used to think that there was merit to this argument and so I studied evolution voraciously trying to find where it breaks down. It doesn't. Natural selection makes order and complexity inevitable.
jklarson66 1 year ago
I'll comment for each argument made. As far as the first cause goes, the idea of "God" begs an infinite regress of causes. If you can't show why God does not require a cause you simply can't declare that he does not by fiat. Since God cannot be explained, God explains nothing. Secondly naturalism does not hold that matter and energy came from nowhere. Matter and energy always existed while spacetime began to expand. For God to create matter and energy breaks the first law of thermodynamics.
jklarson66 1 year ago
There is no evidence to support God's existence, there is no evidence to falsify God's existence. Let's all throw a party in celebration that we exist!
ash0ppingcart 1 year ago
Things can have no cause.
"Design" is subjective. Things dont look designed to me. I cant prove that and neither could you.
Ethics and morality exist outside of the human species. Guessing ducks dont get their ethics from god.
atheistATTACK 1 year ago
Nice job comparing yourself with duck. lol
Riste1986 1 year ago
You "think" God is the best explanation. There's the kicker. And we don't think that it all "popped" into existence. We don't know how it happened, and we are ok with that. I suspect that the galaxies evolved and developed over time, just as our own solar system and life on Earth evolved. Not "popped"....slowly evolved and grew. Big Bang perhaps to get it all going....but maybe not. There is no way to prove that God exists. Faith is an odd emotional need that we do not all require.
scottyinmesquite 2 years ago
I just think it's ironic how atheists believe there is no meaning/deeper purpose to their lives, but then go on about using reason, logic and what not to live their lives as though there IS significant meaning to it. I just find it hard to believe that us (humanity) could have found our way into such a strange existence without some elaborate scheme drawing us in. That being said and all, I entirely respect the atheist view, because I once, was an atheist.
IslandMonster69 1 year ago
@Island - To make a better life for our kids, thus maintaining our species and quality of life is purpose. Life itself is purpose. Logic, reason, critical thinking all go into that improvement. A moral code that helps humanity is an extension of logic, which atheists hold dear. Our emotion, fear of death, and need for answers motivate people to believe in God because Christianity supplies answers and hope which satisfy the emotion. My need for truth is greater than my fear of death. God is myth.
scottyinmesquite 1 year ago
Good comment.
phuffy485 1 year ago
What would be your explanation for the existence of human fear of death?
MCA8436 1 year ago
@MCA8436 - Our zest for life and will to survive are instinctive. Just as all animals on Earth will fight to live, we all have an innate desire for life. Without it, life would not flourish. Humans are intelligent and sentient beings and our quest for knowledge is endless. We also tend to fear what we don't know, and death is the greatest unknown we ever encounter. It also means the end of life as we know it and that is a natural source of fear. We do not want to cease to exist.
scottyinmesquite 1 year ago
God invented numbers? LOL
atheistATTACK 2 years ago
Atheism is... well too simple. If there is no meaning to the universe, then we should have never found out there is no meaning. A mind created it, and our job is to find out what it is and do what it wants us to do, brotha:) I found it, and I'm so amazed, because for the last 4 years I was in your shoes. A purpose-driven life > an uncertain life.
IslandMonster69 2 years ago
I have purposes i want to fulfill in my life, they just arent created some 3000 year old bronze age book and a fictional deity.
atheistATTACK 2 years ago
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IslandMonster69 2 years ago
If it's a fictional deity then it could have never saved and transformed millions of lives throughout history and still to this day. That sounds like nonfiction if you ask me. I know just what you're thinking, just last year I would have been laughing at this post I'm writing. As you surrender your life to God, he moves, shows you the secrets of life and helps you out, I kid you not. It sounds crazy, but it's really real! If it wasn't then why do people still believe today? Ever think about that
IslandMonster69 2 years ago
You can say you have changed, people in prison always find god. Course when the get out, they go right back in! People dont change because of god, they only say they have.
I dont know why people believe in god. Partly the reason im here. I never ever ever felt a entire godly impulse my entire life. If there is a god, and he asks me why i dont believe in him, all i need to say is you made me this way.
atheistATTACK 2 years ago
Well I'm glad you're searching for the truth and not just wasting your life away. All I can say is that I hope the same thing happens to you that has happened to me. It's just an amazing feeling. I was the biggest skeptic, but God somehow rocked my world and my outlook on life is completely different now.
IslandMonster69 2 years ago
@IslandMonster69
"If it's a fictional deity then it could have never saved and transformed millions of lives throughout history and still to this day."
You mean like Allah? See what I did there?
Oct195 2 years ago
If you want to discourage belief in God, you must furnish arguments to support your own atheistic views. I find that today's atheist evangelists hardly even try to argue their case in regard!
IslandMonster69 2 years ago
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You are the one claiming that a god exists, lets see your evidence.
Oct195 2 years ago
@Oct195
No no your wrong, dont you see just yesterday all scientists agreed that speaking alone is enough evidence...
Didnt you hear ? :P
hehe, I agree with you...
AroArgumentum 2 years ago
Read 'mere christianity' by c.s. lewis if you'd like to hear a rational case for the christian faith. Remember...I was an atheist, just like you. I made fun of christians (and theists in general) all the time and demanded evidence from them. All that changed. But I really encourage you to read that book.
IslandMonster69 2 years ago
I am aghast. I always think it is harder for an atheist to be a christian than a muslim or buddhist to be a christian
syg33142 1 year ago
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Science's domain is to explore nature. God's domain is in the spiritual, a realm not possible to explore with the tools and language of science. It must be examined with the heart, the mind and the soul. Both these perspectives can co-exist within us. Science is powerless to answer the big questions such as Why did the universe come into being? What is the meaning of human existence? What happens when we die?
IslandMonster69 2 years ago
@IslandMonster69 I have known about God since I was little. And I believed in Him. But it was only recently I have really UNDERSTOOD what it means to live for God. Now, I have a completely different outlook on life... and I just can't stop that unending joy I feel as I learn to live life with a purpose!
askMukeh 1 year ago
To fix this video, replace word faith by "critical thinking" and you fix this video quite nicely. It takes more critical thinking to be an atheist than a theist. Ignorance defaults easily to theism.
orcodrilo 2 years ago
You have the problem here of infinite regress which you fail to address. And again, your argument (known basically as the Kalam argument) is merely an argument for the deistic God.
gamutman 2 years ago
more faith?...How do you meassure faith??
darsdarsdarsdars 2 years ago
what was your friends answer?
hotscubagreg 2 years ago
That made me nauseous. Isn't neither the default position, since we obviously aren't born with knowledge? The side making doesn't occur until the definition is presented. The obtaining of knowledge comes through action, builds up.. is a foundation for other knowledge. God is not knowledge, it's an assumption and not really a good one at that.. The reason for life might be as insignificant as the reason for rocks or gas or water.. It's just there. Just a though..
afroschlan 2 years ago
I agree with you. God is not knowledge.
"God is wisdom."
virtualguitarist 1 year ago
Care to explain further?
afroschlan 1 year ago
Clown.
Viconiuz 2 years ago
God isn't the best explanation. He is just an easy explanation. You didn't make a good case either. All of this shit obviously didn't just pop out of nowhere, nobody actually thinks that. People just haven't found out yet what all the answers are to all the big questions.
ald1233 2 years ago
They will never find the answers without God. NEVER.
Riste1986 2 years ago
You'd have to know the answer for you to make that statement making the statement outdated and pointless. Do you know the answer? If so, could you prove it?
afroschlan 1 year ago
uneducated christians
arlpainbringer 2 years ago
Awesome video! Thank you and God bless you
Garen1234 2 years ago
God is the best explanation?
Explaining means - describing the unknown (universe, planets, earth, geologie, biology, ...) with the known (current knowledge we have).
Knowing means having valid empirical evidence that establishes the quality or identity of something/somebody.
If you don't have that kind of evidence for God, you dont know him.
If you don't know God, you can't explain anything.
manu191357 2 years ago 8
@manu191357 "If you don't know God, you can't explain anything."
Nicely done. I hate when people introduce explanations for which those explanations don't have any evidence outside of what their explaining.
Dark matter we can't see or even detect directly but we have evidence based on the physical effects and the reasoning that the laws of nature can't be so consistently off in certain circumstances.
RuinSonic 1 year ago
Without causation a god is useless, god doesn't create causation, he damn right depends on it.
Without it, nothing could neither cause god, and neither could god cause anything else.
If God exists as an entity that has some quality, it is given by causation which without he would be powerless.
Atheism doesn't claim randomnes.
Morality comes from consciousness, and we have no way of knowing what is beyond consciousness, so what caused our consciousness is never certain only that it did.
AndersSchlander0 2 years ago
Even if some kind of intelligence initiated the existence of our universe ...
What is its nature?
Single?
Collective?
Interested in the universe?
Interested in humans?
Aware of our tiny planet?
Capable of communicating?
Does it still exist?
manu191357 2 years ago
i don't understand how an atheist can value intelligence in dismissing intelligence. If he believe he has the capability of coming to a rational conclusion based upon intelligence to debunk intelligent design, why then believe that anything can come from that belief if intelligence is degraded to such a large extent on the part of the atheist.
bslinkymi112 2 years ago
Well, I think it's absurd and shows lack of ability to be humble to assume if god does not exist then the only other alternative is the old 'something came from nothing'. Don't get me wrong, I'm open to the possibility of a god. However, what tends to irritate me most is when people make the exagerated leap that this god cares what you eat, what you wear, who you sleep with etc.
aquatix 2 years ago
(cont.) The problem is that God is NOT the best explanation, because it does not give any clue HOW God did it, WHY God did it, if there is a PURPOSE to all of it, etc. Not even mentioning that the creation of God must still be explained. If God did need to be created, then why would Nature need to have been created. Or, is Nature=God and God=Nature.
The word Elohim (which means powers), could even be the ancient word for the powers of Nature.
drdalet 2 years ago 3
Well let's say that there IS (or WAS) A deity, why would it have anything to do with any religion that exists today?
Even if the conclusion would be that A god is the best explanation (which doesn;t mean it is TRUE), then it is still no proof of anything any book says about that god. USING the WORD god, does not give it ANY meaning, unless it is defined and scientifically explained what that god is. Religion is the believe in a BOOK.
The rest is word-play.
drdalet 2 years ago 2
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1) So all this has nothing to do with Chemistry, but with physics. I guess that makes some sense. I find it kind of funny how science denies itself. It's still cool to learn about tho. Since I was little, I loved science. Even tho most scientists leave God out of the equation it is still cool. From what I believe, it makes God look everso more awesome. If he created all this (which may not be your belief, but mine), then how much does it add to the power and authority over what God controls?
bktennisman 2 years ago
2) The only problem with some arguments scientists make is that things have to be just as it is or everything goes through the wall. Some theories are just spurn off the imagination with a bunch of assumptions. Without those assumptions, the theory fails. Also, some theories are built upon other theories. So if one theory has an assumption, any theory that depends on that one then turns into an assumption.
bktennisman 2 years ago
3) If there were tons of theories built upon each other, then the chances of the theory being true should drop down, all hypothetical of course. It will be like when you point a telescope in the sky at a distant star, but you're off by 1 degree, that 1 degree can turn into a billion miles from that star. Other than that, science is really cool! Even some of the ideas that, to me, seem far fetched are really interesting. They really get me thinking.
bktennisman 2 years ago
4) You will probably ask me to prove that there are assumptions, but that may be difficult to prove. Some will disagree, but know that the theory of evolution has assumptions. Don't believe me, check out "Incredible Creatures that Defy Evolution 1" & 2 on google video. It brings up interesting ideas and concepts. Also, one more thing... You can continue to believe what you believe, but what if God created all of this just as it is?
bktennisman 2 years ago
5) What if God created all the shapes on the earths surface to show an older earth? God created Adam and Eve not as baby's but as full grown humans. There would have to be evidence that indeed they did grow, but they didn't. They just happened in midstate of a human life. Can't that be the same for the earth? Can't the earth and all that surrounds it come into existence in midstate?
bktennisman 2 years ago
6) I'm not trying to argue, it's just something to think about. Scientists ask a lot of 'what if' questions, so I was trying to throw some out there. You don't have to reply, just think about it. Even if what I asked was a fact, this wouldn't stop scientists from continuing what they are doing. Theres a lot of knowledge out there that just has to quench mans thirst.
bktennisman 2 years ago
Again, it is just 'What if ...' What if, is no argument and no evidence.
'I wish, I were rich' is not the same like beeing really rich. Of course, a wish can be the momentum for ones next action; or if someone listens to you, he might fullfil your wish. But just asking 'What if God created all ..' does not bring God into existence.
manu191357 2 years ago
However, 'what if' is the beginning statement of which a scientist wants to research to find an aswer to. ex: What if the earth was not the center of our solar system, but the sun was? Through research, the scientist finds his answer. Through research, if you dare to, my 'what if' question can be carefully thought and not thrown completely to the side. That is why I asked a 'what if' question. It does not prove God's existence, but gives you the opportunity to find out for yourself.
bktennisman 2 years ago