Does God exist ? Christian, Muslim (Adam Deen) and Humanist debate.

[waddletop]

There is no debate - any reasonably intelligent thinking person can work it out for themselves:-

Theistic Gods fail - read on...

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent.

Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil?

Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

[MuslimRationalizer]

@waddletop He is able to prevent able, but He wills for it to take place. Evil is the result of the actions of beings with free will that defy God's morals.

You just got owned..;)

[waddletop]

@MuslimRationalizer 'He is able to prevent able, but He wills for it to take place'

So, your God is a malevolent God. Thank you for establishing that.

'Evil is the result of the actions of beings with free will'

I thought that your God was supposed to know everything that was, that is and that will be.

And yet, you contradict that directly, by stating that there are beings with free will.

There can be no free will if God already knows that is going to happen.

You have just got owned.

[MuslimRationalizer]

@waddletop If God knows what the beings with free will, will do, it doesn't take away their free will....

What kind of thinking is that? I know what you might do tomorrow, does that mean that you don't have a choice anymore?

[waddletop]

@MuslimRationalizer 'I know what you might do tomorrow, does that mean that you don't have a choice anymore? '

Your God knows everything you will do tomorrow. That means that you don't have free will. Free will is only an illusion caused by your lack of ability to predict with arbitrary accuracy, what will happen.

One easy to understand example is random numbers on a computer. Given a number, you cannot predict the next but it will always be the same - it is part of a sequence you don't know.

[somewhatd]

Jeez could I find at least 1 theist who doesn't allude to an argument from ignorance?

[MHD2200]

@somewhatd

Could I find one atheist, that actually did not insult? Arguments are rare, instead you always whine about how 'stupid' the other guy is or something childish like that. Amazing...

[Martial024]

@MHD2200 Well because theists are immoral. Well most are.

Get off your high horse and put yourselves in our position, a sheep comes to telling you how peaceful, loving and compassionate his religion is. The sheep seems to be completely ignorant in his own scripture and history, both of which is drenched in the innocent blood of all peoples and children.

He hands you a book, he calls it the "good book" in this book it says that the atheist should be put to do death... You need to be insulted!

[MHD2200]

@Martial024 Well I guess you are right regarding the Bible, yet I am for respecting religious symbols, and not curse or insult them, for they are precious for those who follow them.I think labelling people as 'theists', is like the nazis labelling the jewish as 'Juden' with a start of david on their clothes.Every person alive believes in something greater than him/herself, it being God, Aliens/science/the universe etc etc, and that is actually a wonderful gift in my opinion- Ask me why!

[Gnomefro]

@MHD2200 You're conflating too many issues there for it to be a sensible statement. You can't compare religion with belief that the universe exists. The former is not supported by a shred of evidence, and it is driven by a methodology, faith, that we know does not lead to truth due to the mutually exclusive faith based beliefs that people hold.

Believing stuff for not reason is not a "gift", it's gullibility. Believing in stuff for good reasons can be a good thing, but that excludes religion.

[Gnomefro]

@MHD2200 The main reason why such gullibility is allowed to propagate is because people show respect for other people's ignorance instead of properly confronting differences in opinion about how reality works, testing the different hypotheses, and discarding the false ones. If religionists actually was intellectually honest in this way, we'd no longer have any of the Abrahamic superstitions.

[MHD2200]

@Gnomefro

In this month we celebrate Ramadan, a month of fasting and worship in general. This month is according to islamic teachings, the month were the first verses of the Qur'an were revealed to the Prophet Mohammad peace be upon him and continued to be revealed throughout 23 years.

This month brings us Muslims closer to our creator and closer to each other. And in this warmness we share with other people, I Invite you to accept Islam. Dont be too proud and think about it.

Salam!

[Martial024]

CONTINUED READ BELOW FIRST!! This "good book' has a guide for taking, marking, and beating slaves. It tells us how we are to sell our daughters as sexual slaves, it tells us that we are to kill our children if we think God wants us to or they apostate.

This book, tells us to slaughter other cities if they worship another God, allowing only the virgin girls to live as spoils of war (2 each). It tells us to kill homosexuals, those who work on Sunday, and a long list of others.

[Martial024]

CONTINUED READ BELOW FIRST!!

This book tells us that child sacrifice is honorable, that if a man cannot find a woman for himself that he is to go into a neighboring village and KIDNAP one.

(I could go on and on about the evil book that is named the Holy Bible!!)

The theist calls his book "Good" and moral, a very disgusting and immoral book that says this atheist is to be killed, but the theist who believes and spreads the book should not be insulted or attacked.. WHY?

[bigmykeslashtrusay]

Christ is the way that's my belief... The cross is a rock of offense your all free to your beliefs but you want real love and something you can experience? Call upon Jesus Christ who was prophesied about by Isaiah the prophet. I'm not here for debate. I'm here2 say Christ loves you that's all. Have a good day all who read and goodbye

[BungleZippie]

@UziDoesIt100 That is actually inaccurate.

[Yeppox]

@BungleZippie Yes i'm Muslim myself and i agree with you, he got it wrong. Christians believe that if you don't believe that Christ died for your sins then you'll have no salvation. Muslims believe you can't ascribe partners to God, there is only One God. Muslims don't believe in a triune God. We believe the way you attain salvation isto worship God alone and follow the commandments. Peace.

[albanianboxer]

The aitheist claims are soooooo pathetic.. i HEARD IT 1004 TIMES its getting bored already , cant they come up with new arguments ?? SubhanAllah what has made this kuffars so unfatefull

[LanceWisteria]

Every theist argument in this debate has been conclusively refuted. The Humanist was having trouble keeping up, but only for a lack of preparation.

[KKP7WMTF]

The only problem people have with God who dont' believe in him is they say he's a fairytale or just some book made up is because you don't want to be told what to do most say i don't have to follow anyone im in control of myself when in all reality all who turn from God and settling for less.

James 1:17 Whatever is good and perfect comes down to us from God our Father, who created all the lights in the heavens.He never changes or casts a shifting shadow.

[Serpent0fEden]

Ontological argument - refuted by Gaunilo centuries ago, get with the times Stephan Gagberni...

[sensimania1]

Phillip let me help you out the soldiers had the power to help and the choose not to.just like the theist believe that their god has the power to help he just chooses not to. imagine a young boy screaming while being raped by priest god just sits right there and watches it all and worse he doesn't do anything about it. i know why he doesn't exist if he does he is just as bad as the raping priest.

[Logia1978]

@sensimania1

you have a problem with the nature of god and not the existance of god....

God exists but you dont like his nature as you describe....

[sensimania1]

i have seen a lot of debates with adam he is a great debator but i dont think he believes what he preaches. non of the arguments made by the theist made sense and phillip was weak but good there is no objective morality. if we all agreed as a group that it is ok to kill a baby if you choose too then it would be moral to do so.

[Logia1978]

@sensimania1

Because for you there is only one life....

But for him the real life is after this one... This one is a test for everyone.

In both of your world the baby is killed.

In yours the baby is killed and thats all...

In his world, the baby is killed but God will save him and punish the killer who missed the Test of this life...

Wich world do you prefer ??

Wich world would prevent the killer from killing the baby ??

Yours ? or his world ?

[JordanKimball]

so your idea is more warm and fuzzy then reality. It would make me happy to think that invisible bunny rabbits put money in my bank account every day but that doesn't make it so.

[sensimania1]

@Logia1978 If the killer ask for forgiveness he will be right there with the baby in the after life god justice is no justice. you see any crime can be forgiven. if you think god is just and worthy of your praise go ahead but i would rather not be in a celestial north korea.

[jihhn]

@sensimania1

Not only ask but repent...

repentence is somethig else...

[Courteousness]

@sensimania1 If you claim God has No justice, who are you then defending? Justice cannot exist without God, Good And Evil Is Based On Religion, If You Take God Out Of It, Moral Values Don't Exist. For Instance If A Butterfly Kills Another Butterfly, Why Is It Wrong? They're Just Animals? So, If Evolution Claims We're Just Animals, Why Should It Be Wrong For us? And, You Claim There's No Justice, Then in the afterlife You receive nothing, no matter how you lived your life

[whitejewel101]

stephen fagbemi's opening is based entirely on circular argument...

[Muuzip99]

Religious people ridicule each other's religions, and debate, and accuse each other of being false and irrational, and,... and you know what? ---> they are all right :)

[MexxPowers]

Nice debate, i liked it.