You really known nothing about capitalism or socialism other than through a microscope and only at the things that favor your views. Do you really think that market forces are the best way to run everything? Nations of hundreds of millions of people should be run by 18th Century rules? Is that how the company you work for functions? Accounting, sales and governance rules from 1770? No need to think that anything is different than it was in 1776?
As If some hillbilly who lacks any education outside of Glenn Beck's School for the Easily Frightened has any idea as to what 'socialism' is or any comprehension whatsoever of the materialist dialectics of Marxism.
Honestly, pathetic. Stick to moose hunting, @snappy72761.
all i can say is STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN 4 president hed get the lazy american people off thier asses and working why should someone be given something 4 nothing its not work real people have to work all thier lives and et fuck all back for thier pension because of lazy fat couch potatoes who have not worked in 20years lol
Very good video! I agree. Americans need to get off of their asses and get involved in defending their freedom against socialists like Obama! Why someone can't see how detrimental the effects of socialism can be is beyond me. Let's roll America!!!
Wealth is any good or service. And all goods are fundamentally harvested by a service. All services are conducted by workers, except for the transaction of capital at a large scale.
A government system that conducts the transaction of wealth won't be significantly worse than the same done by private entities. Ask the Swedes about it.
And no, you won't run out of other peoples' money because you give them their money back in other forms.
@nafaidni But, please tell me, when does my money belong to the government or to other people? I am an individual who may have went to college for ten years and am in Medical, and make tons of money. But, when was my hard work, study, and effort for the government, or for my neighbour. You see, that is why Socialism does not appeal to me. I don't understand how any Democracy-Loving person would ever endure the scourge dogma of Socialism. It is my money, not yours, not the governments.
The government allows you to get subsides for college. It creates public schools to educate you so that you can get into college. It gives you protection from being a child laborer instead of a student. It creates laws to prevent your life from being a struggle for existence.
And society, which governments are created by and for, gives you knowledge and gives you positions to use your knowledge. Without it, there would be no need or existence of knowledge or education or research.
@nafaidni The greatest knowledge has come from individuals. Albert Einstein did not research into physics and gravity under order of the government, Newton did not contribute the greatest scientific studies to people by decree of a federal agency. Individuals have created society, businesses have created society; they create the jobs, which produce goods and services. Businesses, [Real Estate, Gun Shops, Grocery Stores], are not government owned, nor did the government create them.
Einstein had access to his intellectual resources and venues of discussion because of government.
But if you're going to bring Einstein into this, I suggest you listen to his video. It's an audio transcript of his 1949 article, "Why Socialism?". I can agree that minds like his are treasures formed by divine chance. His economic logic is as valid as his physical theories to me.
Plus the government prints the money and lets you make exchanges with liquid capital, which is infinitely more productive than bartering goods.
So every element of who you are depends on society and government. Unless you grow your own food, build your own housing, protect yourself with sticks, weave your own clothing, and etc., you depend on society for life.
Which is why there's no reason that people shouldn't be made to contribute to the society that has built them.
@nafaidni We musn't forget that the duty of the federal government is not to regulate the economy, unless when corruption or monopolies are formed. The federal government was not created to regulate the people, but to maintain national security, represent US interests abroad, and to serve the interests of the people.
Uk is soon to pass legislation that will stop executives and bankers paying themselves as huge a bonus and pay awards as they feel like. At least some good news over here!
There is not one person who has commented here who actually knows the correct meaning of the concept of Socialism. Americans, let me say this loud and clear coz I know you ain't the brightest lot, Socialism doe's not, has not, and never will mean Communism. There not even close. Why doe's no-one ever seem to understand this? If your gonna make videos or start running on your mouth on something at least make sure you actually know what it is and understand fully what you talking about! Jesus H!
@cisseshairdresser Correct. However, most Communistic regimes adopt Socialism because it works very well with Socialism. Socialism is control; Communism is control. Socialism is economic control, Communism, using Socialism, is economic AND social control[internet control, media control, etc.] They are alike in that respect, that is undeniable. We've also seen that most countries who employ full-on Socialism fail, such as Greece and the USSR.
in their lives, e.g. a gifted black student is not guilty that his parents drink and can't pay for university in US. In Denmark where university is free and you get other benefits, he can go, study and become next Bill Gates and generate more income than those who decided to live on benefits ever will spend... and in US the same student can become a gang leader who harms country's economy as brilliant, smart people will always find a way to earn money one or another way...
of course as always you need to balance things, in Norway, Sweden so called socialist programs work, there's a large middle class and no billionaires, of course some people don't like it but in the end there is better heathcare for all and people get better unemployment etc. benefits, also higher taxes (but salaries too)...
What people don't understand is that it not only creates a situation where some people might start to live on benefits, also gives opp. to poor people to attain sth
@forevercomplaining wow, you truly are clueless. Socialism is the polar opposite of what you say, with power going to the people, all people having educational opportunity, access to health care, and elimination of poverty. What we have now denies human rights to millions and destroys our planet all in the name of greed.
yes, let's have socialism. Let's have one person at the top and his friends who own EVERYTHING and let's have everyone else with NOTHING.
Let's have the poor poorer, just so long as the rich are less rich, YES! let's make everyone equal, regardless how many people we'll have killed or die from starvation due to collectivisation of the land.
Let's abolish opportunity and wealth, let's have everyone uneducated with a poor quality of life, whilst the politicians live like Marie Antoinette.
"there is no such thing as a free lunch" couldn't be more true. Free ANYTHING is a loss of productivity somewhere, which is why our wealth diminishes. People seem to think that CIRCULATING wealth is what boosts the economy, but when more people stop PRODUCING wealth, our economy weakens and the ones that are good at capturing the circulating wealth--like the wealthy 1%--will keep capturing it. Socialist "occupiers" have no idea that they're the cause of the problems they're trying to fight.
@VirtuosoVII Do you know of a socialist who works hard?
I know of plenty who claim to. They are usually teachers, who get a large holiday every year and above average wage... it makes me laugh.
People assume getting to the top is like climbing a mountain, well let me tell you something it is not! I have people in my family who run banks and who have MBE's and we come from fuck all.
President Obama called Wall Street bankers “fat cats” and says he's a "warrior" for the middle class. The numbers show who he's really fighting for. Under Obama, Wall Street has generated over $85 billion in profits in 2.5 years. Under Bush, they generated $77 billion for the entire 8 years he was in office. Obama has also received more 2012 campaign donations from the “fat cats” than all GOP candidates combined. "LIKE" if you think Obama is a "fat cat" in disguise, not a warrior for the middle
@jtw18 because it does the idea is to have a society with everyone equal and with no government control, but where does that money come from? you guessed it the government just giving money away.
@SawedShotgun what?!?! haha conservatives want no gov't control. and the money comes from wealthier people to the gov't and the gov't creates jobs with that money. they dont just give it away
@jtw18 the goverment should not be getting involved in the economy and no in socialism everyone is equal you dont even know how the system you support works.
@jtw18 i just dont believe in it i believe in helping the people who are trying to get jobs but not the people who just sit on the couch all day you cant have a system which has both
Adam Smith called it "Enlightened Self-Interest", it became part of our concept for Free Enterprise. Ultimately, you will do a better job of spending your money wisely, than government will, even under the best administration.
@bearwrastler that is a pretty misguided view on religion, you can say you question a particular religions but it is flat out ignorant to say that the majority of the world is living in some mass delusion
The constitutional framework is (in my view) a model which may have suited its time, but is ultimately in need of serious revision to meet with modern circumstances. The government it builds is too rigid. On the one hand, this protects the system from radicalism (a real boon). On the other hand, it renders the system unable to respond to sudden crises requiring immediate, decisive resolution.
Libertarian Socialism is an alternative to Social Democracy which avoids the problems you list.
@SocialistCatgirl im afraid libertarian socialism is a contradiction since libertarianism means no real government say in anything but in socialism the workers have the means of production which can only happen with a democratically run government places laws over business
There's a lot to dispute in what you've said. First, I would posit that you have Libertarianism confused with Anarchism. Anarchism is only the most extreme forms of what is really an entire category of political schools (i.e. Libertarianism). Libertarianism is LESS government intervention, not its absence. What constitutes "less" is what makes up the differing schools' arguments.
I also dispute the impossibility of the formation of a workers' co-op without the aid of government.
@SocialistCatgirl libertarianism is the form of government with the least government intervention without the absence of government and when it comes to the workers you need a government run by the workers to step in to stop worker mistreatment because without government people will try to take advantage of others so you need a democratically run government to stop this from happening
The second description of Libertarianism you give does not match the first. There's a HUGE difference between "no real government say in anything" and "the least government intervention without the absence of government". What constitutes the "least government intervention" is (and always will be) a matter of dispute among Libertarians. I believe you are on the right track now.
Workers can (and have) assembled democratic regulation of their own conditions. They're called unions.
@SocialistCatgirl i see your point but with no government intervention corporations can do whatever they want to the workers, what would happen is the corporations would buy off the government and have no more workers rights, to have true socialism you need to give the power to the people and that power is government and when it has little power the people have little power
I see where you're arguing from, it seems you're a strong advocate for the Statist forms of Socialism. This is not inherently a bad thing, Social Democracy has proven to be extraordinarily effective (I'm a big fan). But one must always be cautious as they hand the reigns of workers' interests over to politicians. The Bolshevik Party gained its birth promising to be a vanguard of the people. Not too much later the people were too terrified to look at Stalin's PICTURE funny.
@SocialistCatgirl i to see were your arguing from and the idea itself is not bad but to achieve is a different story, i respect the works of lenin and trotsky but stalin was in my views not even communist he was a totalitarian dictator, but anyway im in favor of the democratic socialism
Democratic Socialism and Social Democracy are mainly separated not by the ideals they espouse, or even the methodologies through which they operate. The main difference between the two is a matter of the scale of government involvement. Democratic Socialism (to the best of my understanding) is what the CCCP tried (and ultimately failed) to be, while Social Democracy represents a more reformist than revolutionary stance, culminating in the Nordic Socialist model. Is this fair?
Because if the descriptions I've given to you are something you'd agree with, my point is that we're really not that far removed from one another on the ideological scale, and truthfully we've similar methodologies in mind. The main difference is a question of placement of the bulk of authority at the federal/state or local level. I admit that an exclusively localized system is ideal, but ultimately unattainable. This is why I am in spirit a Libertarian Socialist, in practice not.
This seems to be generating some debate especially amongst individuals who support socialist ideals.
There are plenty of terms, plutocracy, communism, marxism, socialism, despotism, whatever face you wish to put on a system of governance. In the final analysis it all boils down to human nature.
Those who have faith that more power in a centralized system of government is good for the people, and those of us who don't.
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
@snappy72761 you fail to understand that socialism is a form of government were the people run the government like a democracy since the people control the means of production what you are talking about is really a form of oligarchy which the government is controled by a small group who do not bother about the needs of the people
let me explain what real socialism is, lets say you work at a toy factory and for every toy you make it is sold for $15 but you only make $2 for every toy so the other $13 goes to the executive. in a socialist country though those $13 go to things like better working conditions schools parks and health care instead of going to the executive who contributed no personal labor to the creation of the toy so in the end socialism helps the bottem 95% instead of the top 5%
There is so much wrong with this statement I don't know where to begin. But, I would like to point out, that in your illustration apparently, there are no cost of goods or overhead in the creation of your toys. Generally speaking, most of what ANY product sells for is cost of production with a marginal profit. A HEALTHY profit might be around 30% (Wal-Mart exists on 4%)
Secondly, the executive might disagree with your notion that he/she contributes "nothing" to the equation.
@snappy72761 my perevious statement the cost of production is not the point and it for a $15 toy is only line $3 but i am trying to explain that the profit no matter how much it is goes to government programs and when it comes to the creation its self the executive contribues pretty much nothing to creation of the product itself exept for purchess of materials which is very little in cost
@fenix144 You are correct. However, Corporations and Executives and Entrepenauers create the jobs those workers have; it's a great Capitalist system like that.
@pwuint12 Except when those so-called job creators stop creating jobs, treat their employees like shit or just hoard whatever they get out of business.
@MRNOODLEMENThe And your proof of this in the real world is...??
Question: what stops the executive from just pocketing the $13? Answer: nothing. This is exactly what happened in the USSR and is now happening in places like China and North Korea. You have the ruling elite who're eating caviar, drinking champagne, and riding around in limos, while the rest of their people are starving and living in squalor, and anyone who complains gets smacked so hard they never complain again.
@MRNOODLEMENThe I'm amazed how naive you people are. Socialism doesn't get rid of executives, it replaces them with a small ruling elite. Same thing, different name. It's what happened in every attempted communist country. They give their people the bare minimum and keep them in check through fear, while they ride around in limos and drink champagne. Uncorrupted power doesn't exist.
HUMAN NATURE. The two inconvenient little words that will ALWAYS stand between you and your communist paradise.
Socialism takes the power from the people and gives it to dictators at the top and it's the same with communism.
Socialism is worse than capitalism and communism in practice is the complete opposite of true communism, which stands for everyone owning everything and but it been shared out (which I disagree with but true communism is a far from what communism is in practice)
@MRNOODLEMENThe Then the executive earns nothing? Fallacious. He created, or at least, runs that company. You fail to see that he created jobs, which creates tax payers, which ITSELF creates tax money for the government for working conditions, schools, parks, and not Health Care, because socialism doesn't work AT ALL with Health Care. But, the money the executive makes does not belong to the government, the executive works like me and you, that money is not the gov'ts.
There hasn't been a system that works and is fair to all citizens in the whole of history except for the tribal community. Believe it or not a tribal way of life is the most efficient and most fair to the individual. Your ideas of freedom is wrong at its core. We shouldn't do whatever, instead we should do what we are supposed to. As long as we are limited by an environment we will never be truly free. Soon a time will come when we will have no choice but to do what it takes to survive.
You are confusing it with Communism and anti-capitalism.
Europe embraces socialism and thats why it is far superior in nearly everything from Healthcare to Education to the US.
Modern Socialism works and thats a fact. Just go to britian and see and experience the NHS and social security support etc and tell me that Socilaism doesn't work? Ask the Brits if Socialism is evil? Its so successful even British Conservatives emrace it. You don't understand History.
Friend, I appreciate your input and I'll have to politely disagree with you.
My assertion would be that communism is nothing more than COMPLETE socialism and that socialism is nothing more than a step in the "right" direction, if you WANT communism.
Notwithstanding, there are Brits and Germans who don't like or agree with their economic system just like there are Americans who disagree with ours.
Socialism is for nonproducers, the producers appreciate American superiority.
@snappy72761 By your way of thought liberalism and/or capitalism will eventualy lead to anarchy (wich it doesnt) cause anarchy is nothing more than complete removal of the goverment. The way I see it it's leading to a plutocracy. Also you say in your video that politicians as third party purchasers don't care about price and they aren't really concerned about quality. I'm sorry but if a politician doesn't care about the quality of the services or prodcts he's delivering than that's a bad one.
@snappy72761 The Tory [Conservative] Party is the largest growing in the UK. People are realising, since Thatcher, that Socialism doesn't work at all. Don't listen to the people saying that ''All Brits are labour-hugging Socialists'' It's just nonsense, most of us hate the system right now. The Health Care in the UK is great? Pssh. People here don't even have teeth, appointments take weeks to months, and most women over 50 have cancer; ignore the hypocrisy.
@cisseshairdresser As i recall, america was built from former europeans who did not like all the taxes that you europeans have therefor made us a great country that we are today. The reason america is in a shithole right now is because of socialism.
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. " Thomas Jefferson
@cisseshairdresser You idiot healthcare and education are the only things that they are ahead of us with, and guess what! are educational system is run by liberals and socialist. Plus europes unemployement is 30%! way worse then ours. So rethink if socialism is workin out so well i dont feel like being a slave to my own government
Dude, you gotta be tongue jackin' my shit box son! The EU is broke because of these ploicies you fucking moron! Ignorance seems to be deep today. I understand history just fine and Greece, Portugal and Italy are having to be bailed out by the Germans. Ask the Germans if they think it's fair? SOCIALISM WILL NEVER WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You conservative dopes hollering about "smaller government" ignore the actions of your hero Ronald Reagan who actually GREW government in the realms of economic protectionism for American business & the security state.
It's EXTREMELY telling that you use a "purchase" as your example of how a political system works. Most idiot Americans like yourself see freedom as nothing more than changing a channel on televison or choosing something to buy. You're full of nothing but idiot cliche ideas.
Thank you for injecting some sense. Right wing yanks are dumb. How come their always southern as well?
I think it hilarious how they vilify Socialism as if it kills babies or something. I'm off to hospital now where I will be seen and treated for free and then I'll be going to the pharmacy to get my free medication and then tomorrow the phtsio is coming to my house to work on my rehabilitation from my knee surgery again, for free. Not paying insurance SUCKS. I hate Socialism. WAKE UP!
the only reason people like the guy who made this video make shit like this is because they pretend that the average american isn't a complete moron, get it through your thick fucking skull americans do not know what to do with there own money i know they like to think they do but they dont, and the government is put in place to take care of and nurture its people and all you fucking conservatives have this idea in your head that big government = conspiracy
I really don't mean to piss anyone off but if you lib-terds think for one sec that you are going to destroy my nation with socialism you gotta another thing coming lazy asses. Im NOT telling you that Ill fight you Im telling you that ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. So go get a job and be quiet THE END of story. Im saving you a lot of time by just being blunt and matter-of-fact with you. You cannot and will not win this. I promise.
@GeorgeBonez Oh yea clearly you are not trying to piss any of us off. I'm not going to destroy our (i'll repeat it again, our) nation with socialism. And it will happen, I'm sorry to tell you but it will. The general progression of society demands it. Conservatives today are the liberals of the past and the liberals today are the conservatives of the future. This I promise. I gaurentee you that the average liberal is more intelligent than the average conservative, and we do have jobs. :)
I am going to promote this vid while browsing other vids to try to get people in here to talk. If you know of a better place thats fine but this guy made a simple vid and doesn't seem to be exploiting anything or anyone but the most important thing is that we have to get together NOW. We all talk about the day the shit hits it. Well it hit it about two years ago so lets do it.
Hey folks!! (Conservatives) I think this is a great place to meet every night. I dont know this guy and just found this vid today but he makes good common since and is expressing in a way that most can understand. Lets all meet here every night to talk and share ideas and just plain ole gather. You can turn on automatic updates and it will run a lot like a chat room. Its time we ban together and this is as good of place as any. Respond to my comment if you are interested. I want to rally now!
Friend, I like and encourage people to assemble with a meeting of like minds to affect change in our system. In my opinion we still have the best "system" of government, but the people have to stand up and take responsibility for their leadership.
Failing to get involved will only give us more of the same.
People are more than welcome to use this channel as a meeting place if they so choose. I will contribute as much as I can.
@snappy72761 have you guys watched the documentary "Waiting For Superman?" It talks about all the shitty public, government funded schools in america, pretty sad. It bothers me cause the good teachers get paid the same as the shitty teachers because of the unions and tenure. They proposed to increase teachers pay from $55,000 to $123,000 as long as they can remove tenur. The union wouldn't even allow debate on the issue. What are your guys thoughts on the education?
lol the guys a tool of plutocracy. the plutocrats have made him look in the wrong direction convincing him that government spending was the cause of Americas troubles, when it was them all along . a very typical useful idiot .
@technojungle Well maybe they should close their greedy companies and lay everyone off then. Right? If you work for one of these evil companies then I VOTE TO LAY YOU OFF. I wouldn't want you to work for an evil greedy company so if you do I think that you should march right in and quit. Perhaps you work for the gov. Which is it?
@redgixxer18 Hey dude like your post and your screen name. I have a yellow/black Gixxer-6. I have commented on this vid that we should use it as a daily meeting place. Hey if your on FB lets do a friend invite or something. I wanna see that bike man. I dont think that I have ever seen a red one. Its time we conservatives get together if ya know what I mean. Ive had enough of this lib-terd garbage and this is a good place to do it. Im gonna promote this vid as a meeting place surfing other vids.
@hanGun61 thatcher did say it im nopt sure if she was the original .however nothing that evil bitch said has any value . rather like using Hitlers criticism of Communism to promote fascism .
oh ya, i may not worry about the quaity of your T-shirt, but that does not mean that eveybody will, haven't you had a girl friend? it's like saying that some republicans are t-party activist, so all of them are t-party activist. which is not true.
the dictatorship that we live in is known as plutocracy, rule of the rich. these people don't care about your needs, you all are just comidities to them. but they're not stupid, the rich pay off politicians so they will work the will of the rich. obama is guilty with that, so is bush, clinton, daddy bush, and reagan, so on and so forth. the rich pay the politicians so the dictatorship is not obvious to the masses of people. the rich fear socialism because there will be no place for them in there
you see socialism is not a perminate goerment system; it is a stepping stone to communism. and no, what stalin and his buddies call communism was not communism. stalin and his paranoia had taken solalism, and turned it into a state capitalist society, which is a direct form of dictatorship. socailism is suppost to run out of money, because true communism has no need for money. for those of you who fear dicatorship, you live in one. the way how it is run now is an indirect form of dictatorship.
this guy is a reasonable person, and he has a few good points, true socailism does run out of money eventullay, andd true socailism does raise taxes and increase spending. hugo chaves did increase spending in the venezuela goverment after he took office, but look what he did with he money. police reform, labor reform. crime there is half of what it was 10-20 years ago, and thats because the police back then where highly involved in the crimes taking place.
Capitalism is the most basic animal/human behaviour. Capitalism gives no incentive to be fair. Laws should do that.
A fair society would still distribute wealth unevenly based on merit. But, nobody should have 1 Billion dollars. That 1 Billion dollars is incentive for the same ammount of workers wether 1 person controls it or Every single person in the society controls it. The only difference is if everybody controlled investment equaly nobody would have the leverage to exploit anyone else.
Thanks friend, the effort to change the hearts and minds of people who don't get it is never ending. I try to help people weed the "wheat from the chaff" as it were when it comes to the political rhetoric surrounding the "feel good" symbolism over substance policies we are being fed these days.
Keep talking to people yourself, we will never effect real change without a broad and persistent vigilance looking out for our great country.
We are clearly not going to agree. I'm not sure how your economic world is supposed to work if no-one is allowed to accumulate and grow wealth for fear that they weren't "fair enough" to the people working in the enterprise.
You could never create ANY investment in a society that distributes all the profit to the lowest rung of the ladder. Who would buy a single stock if all the profit was distributed to the workers instead of the shareholders?
Not to mention that if you took all the corporate profits in Intel and evenly distributed it to all of the talent working there, it wouldn't take long before the workers at Tyson Foods would be complaining that they weren't making as much as the Intel guys.
The only way to determine "fair" is to let the free market decide. Corporations compete for labor with salaries, when they can't get the best workers they raise salaries until those workers are willing to show up.
Friend, I'm not trying to be ugly here, I'm really not, I'm also not asking you to "believe my views." I suppose your reference to "REAL hard-workers" is to miners from your removed comment, and I tried to imply that group earlier.
Where you and I differ is that somehow you believe that because they are doing the physical labor to mine gold, coal, iron, whatever... that they should be entitled to the profits derived therefrom. But the "labor" is only part of making the money.
What about the financing of the mining operation? Who had what it took to raise the capital necessary to employ all those miners? Who took the financial risk? Who sold all that ore or coal or whatever? Who worked out the answers to thousands of problems in order to make money out of the dirt?
That doesn't happen by accident. If the miner himself could do it, he/she would. The reason that they don't is because it's too "hard" a problem for them to solve.
So they settle for an hourly compensation, they accept the risks for the compensation they are offered. The reason it works is because if they don't do it someone else will. If the compensation is too low, it will be raised until people are willing to do the "hard work" required to earn the money.
If you try to remove the profit from the operation you will never raise the intellectual or monetary capital necessary to give all those people jobs in the first place.
Don't confuse working hard with working smart. Hard work is an extremely noble pursuit and a virtuous way to earn an honest wage. However, don't discount the contribution of "smart work."
Just because someone isn't swinging a hammer, lifting a heavy load or towing a burdensome line doesn't mean that they don't have an equally and perhaps greater contribution to society.
The smart workers engineered most of the systems in which the hard workers earn their living.
I don't want to give our government back to people like you--when people like you want to cut our defense spending substantially, end pork, and get money out of politics--then maybe I will listen to what you have to say--you just want our tax dollars to be spent on people like you-- not the poor--people who don't do anything probably do less harm than than people like you
Friend, you won't have to 'give' it back, the left's policies will result in the people taking it back. That is the beauty of our system, we have the liberty to try something new and if we don't like the outcome, we can change it.
You don't know me so you can't possibly know how I want public money spent, but for the record I don't want money spent on the "poor" or the "rich." I'd be thrilled to see pork go away and money removed from politics and I'm working towards that goal.
How can you say capitalism and democracy work? It doesn't matter what type of economic and political system you have human nature fucks it up, so please don't think that capitalism is better than socialism because that is not true.
you are just biased because you grew up during the cold war.
Biased because I grew up during the cold war?! Anyone who would say that a capitalist economic system and democracy doesn't work needs to read the book, "The 5,000 year leap."
This American experiment did more to improve the quality of life across the globe than any other society in the history of humanity.
Prior to the founding of this political and economic system, the world was basically the same for the past 5,000 years, virtually every modernization on the planet started here.
@snappy72761 Capitalism was not founded by anyone. Adam smith didn't invent capitalism. He described it. He was curious how self intrest could be beneficial to society as a whole. The world and people have always been capitalist.
@szaboa2 This "5000" years you speak of was STATE-CAPITALISM in which the state is the private owner of capital. You cant argue that STATE-CAPITALISM didn't exploit millions so why would you try to argue that CORPORATE-CAPITALISM doesn't exploit people.
You are right, there is a tyrannic force controlling the American government. It is called big business. When Socialists say they will take money from the rich, they don't mean someone like you or me. The only people who should be concerned about this are people making money into the several billions. They honestly don't need that much capital, it's not going back into the economy. Instead it is going to their bank accounts, so why not set up some programes to spread that money around.
@WakeUpRory There won't be a shortage of money for the programs because that small percent of the population that has all of the money, have lots of money and they are constantly making more capital. If someone isn't working like you said, then it isn't fair that you are taking care of them with your hard earned cash, I agree. But the single mother working two jobs without benefits should, thats the people these programs will help. In my earlier post I said billions, I meant Millions, typo.
Although I understand your feelings friend, I'll have to disagree with any idealism suggesting that the best way to run our economic system is the redistribution of wealth from one group to another, regardless of how wealthy that group is.
You are wrong that billions (or millions for that matter) only goes into their bank accounts. These people have money because they know how to make money and you don't make it in a bank account paying less than 2%.
The groups with the most money, reinvest their money into the economy in the form of business, jobs and opportunity for that single mother you were talking about.
It is ridiculous to think that the ultra-wealthy are hoarding up all that money for their own personal consumption. It's not, the making of money in their circles is a competition against themselves and their piers, the byproduct is more jobs.
I've never gotten a job from a poor person or even an average person for that matter.
Be glad that we have such wealthy & enterprising people living in our country they are a big part of what makes our economic system the best in the world. Clearly, we've had our share of economic hiccups, but since the 1700's we've always managed to correct our problems and come roaring back better than before.
We are the ONLY nation in the world to establish that pattern, let's don't go screwing it up trying to imitate economic systems with a crystal clear track record of long term failure.
@snappy72761 The money redistributed won't go straight into the pockets of the working class, it will go to projects that will help make their lives easier and more enjoyable. Everyone should be entitled to the "American Dream" not just the select few. Lets say you run a big company. You guys are doing great at let's say, 200,000 employees. Why would you hire more if you have enough to run perfectly fine? Many jobs are being replaced with technology or being sent over seas.
Friend, I just don't think you and I are going to agree on this issue. Most people (including doctors, lawyers & engineers) are raised in this country to look for a JOB, not create a job. It is the rare exception that someone has the creative ingenuity, an entrepreneurial spirit required to step out and make one's own way and in the process provide JOB opportunities for those willing to work for them. The entrepreneur is entitled to make as much money as he/she wishes without...
government interference. Passing judgment on them with statements like "they honestly don't need all that capital," really isn't our place. They made it, they can do with it what they please.
The role of government in this equation is to prevent tyrannical men from subverting the system and taking advantage of the masses with their power and money, which has happened from time to time.
Our government needs only to protect its citizens from abuse and offer them opportunity to help themselves.
We are far from perfect, but we won't get any closer by taking from the producers and giving money, goods or services to the lower level producer. (I didn't say non-producer, like they weren't doing anything).
The free market determines what someone's effort is worth. I understand that life can be very hard even for people who work very hard. The cure for that is to create.
Our country provides plenty of opportunity for people to make an above average living, if they are will to work hard..
serving others providing either goods or services that other people need and are willing to pay for.
I know people who build fences that take home over $500K a year. It's not high tech, it's not glamorous, but they are willing to do the work that others don't want to do for a fee that others are willing to pay.
It didn't come easy (wealth never is) but it did come. Their biggest complaint is government interference in their work.
We need less government regulation and more entrepreneurs.
@snappy72761 So you think it's right that some people will make 50 million a year while others make 50K? I understand that the person making millions has worked hard to get where they are, sometimes they even start off at minimum wage jobs. But what about the person working just as hard who can hardly get by? You are right about how we will never agree on this subject, I guess if we both won't change our views on this it's useless talking. But it was nice debating with you on this subject.
It's never useless to continue a healthy debate, our country was founded by a group of men who debated endlessly about how the government should be established and what it should and should not do.
Granted, there was virtually nothing in their debates about what to "give" to the citizenry - other than inalienable rights, enumerated protections from government, and a government structure that HOPEFULLY would be immune to the insatiable desires of power hungry men.
I do think that it's okay for someone to make almost limitless sums of money while others make far less... I don't believe that it can be reasonably asserted that the lower income earner works "just as hard" as the former.
Income is rarely attributable to luck - more often than not it's highly correlated to education. That means that it's up to the individuals to get themselves educated; and this country does a fine job of making education available to anyone with the will to pursue it.
@snappy72761 North America was founded on greed. The colonies were established to make money. Canada, where I live, was pretty much ran by a corporation, the Hudson Bay Company. Therefore, Capitalism is engraved in our North American culture. George Washington was a general and land surveyor before the revolution. Against British law, he surveyed part of Indian Territory to sell for his own gain. He started selling the land to the Europeans, and the Native people didn't like that so trouble...
@WakeUpRory begain. The British tried doing something about it, but the founding fathers disagreed with their intervention. This was one of the major causes of the American Revolution. They were criminals under British law, of course they would rebel. The country was founded on the principals of criminals. Granted, the American Constitution is one of the greatest government documents written, but if has its faults too. Also, Socialism was a fairly new idea at the time.
That's communism what you're saying not socialism.
You all know what communism is but not what socialism is. Socialism isn't authoritarian like communism. (The political spectrum has 3 ashes and most forgot 2 of them and think only in therms of left and right and then, yeah in that case communism is the same as socialism!)
1) I read your title and i wanted to add: Politics = Economics = Liberalism but also socialism. Socialism isn't communism. It isn't the same. Socialism is also Economics, Communism isn't Economics.
2) I see you sit in a big expensive chair. There are people who can't afford a chair like that. Ok. They didn't work enough. But there are people who never had chances to study or work. They live on the street. Socialism takes care about those people. The monster of liberalism en capitalism doesn't.
I appreciate your comments and your point of view. I would agree that in MY society, people generally have opportunity if they can get over their excuses... they HAVE opportunity.
In other societies, you are right, there are people who never had equality of opportunity and their circumstances are not entirely their fault. That is one benefit of the U.S. we certainly provide people the means to "pull themselves up," if they don't take advantage of it.. that's their fault.
1) problematic youth: Kids who's parents are 'not so smart' don't get values and standards. So They don't bother by stealing someone others property --> problematic youth . problems with police --> police record. In school they have the wrong friends --> so no learning or creating values.
2) They come in life. Can't work anywhere because of the police record. Can't find proper wife because of the smell :) Never learned to better their lifes!
continuation 2) Don't have money so going to steal --> more problems with police, less change to get a proper job. Fact: poor people have more children (and they have less money) and kids cost money, many money so the're getting more into debt.
3) generation poverty: That guy or girl won't learn his kids proper values because he don't have it himself. Then the story starts again!
Conclusion: so the problem is not by the person itselfs, it's by his education. He never learned something!
I realized I had power. Its time other people realized that too. Together as a united people, we are strong. The goal of the current government is to divide and conquer the people. Dividing us is easy for them. Simply stir the race issue and they got us at each others throats. I've been posting messages that encourage the people to unite. Blacks and whites. Just stand together and shrug off the calls of division.
Thank you for making that point because it's precisely the issue that we need to focus on. Contrary to popular belief, our rights do not come from government but from God, and we lend the authority to govern to our elected representatives. As such, all the "power" lies in the collective consciousness of the people not politicians. When they go astray (as they most certainly always will) it is our responsibility to act to preserve the incunabulum established by our forefathers.
"Thriving?" You might do a little homework before making a statement like that. I don't think there is an economy on the face of the planet that is "thriving" in view of the global economic crisis.
Try asking some of the Greeks what they think about their economy. Regardless, even though capitalism isn't perfect, it's still the best and most durable system ever devised.
Good thing you got us rednecks here to keep it that way... wouldn't want to let the liberals run amuck! ;)
@myf0lk I should not have to explain to you what things are going wrong. The American people should be the ones driving the train but instead, we have a bunch of crooks who are running us off the tracks. Wake up and toss them out and start over. Take control and slow this train down. Then toss out the trash.
@feelzthelove well its true that most politicians, if not all, lie and do things we have no idea about. Manhattan project was a good example and everything Nixon did. i wasn't calling u out or anything btw, im just interested in peoples different views
I'll give that a hearty second! No doubt THAT is the epicenter of our crisis... it's a crisis of apathy. There will only be so much time allowed for apathy before our inalienable rights will be abrogated and MANY people will be standing around wondering what the f*** just happened?
Hate to see it happen EVER, much less in my lifetime... but it sure appears that we're well on our way to giving away our government of the people, for the people & by the people. Sad, sad, sad...
You really known nothing about capitalism or socialism other than through a microscope and only at the things that favor your views. Do you really think that market forces are the best way to run everything? Nations of hundreds of millions of people should be run by 18th Century rules? Is that how the company you work for functions? Accounting, sales and governance rules from 1770? No need to think that anything is different than it was in 1776?
SolofTarsus5 2 days ago
Can you Translate in German? Its sure really interesting what you say. But my english is not good enough, to understand.
DerFoxelhuber 1 week ago
Well said.
walmartpimp2 2 weeks ago
As If some hillbilly who lacks any education outside of Glenn Beck's School for the Easily Frightened has any idea as to what 'socialism' is or any comprehension whatsoever of the materialist dialectics of Marxism.
Honestly, pathetic. Stick to moose hunting, @snappy72761.
michaelwuzthere 2 weeks ago
all i can say is STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN 4 president hed get the lazy american people off thier asses and working why should someone be given something 4 nothing its not work real people have to work all thier lives and et fuck all back for thier pension because of lazy fat couch potatoes who have not worked in 20years lol
shredmaster100 3 weeks ago
Very good video! I agree. Americans need to get off of their asses and get involved in defending their freedom against socialists like Obama! Why someone can't see how detrimental the effects of socialism can be is beyond me. Let's roll America!!!
scars2pruvit 1 month ago
If U.S Goes socialist. or if Obama wins again this year. I am moving to a different country thats not socialist.
YoungRapperWL97 1 month ago
You hit it spot on
ilikerock222 1 month ago
watch?v=h5noUKDuenE&feature=related
This is the actually point of Einstein's paper. Might want to listen to it.
nafaidni 1 month ago
As convincing and well thought this is, I'll recommend you to another humble thought on this topic. Albert Einstein.
watch?v=boNKRb-aNnM
nafaidni 1 month ago
Wealth is any good or service. And all goods are fundamentally harvested by a service. All services are conducted by workers, except for the transaction of capital at a large scale.
A government system that conducts the transaction of wealth won't be significantly worse than the same done by private entities. Ask the Swedes about it.
And no, you won't run out of other peoples' money because you give them their money back in other forms.
nafaidni 1 month ago
@nafaidni But, please tell me, when does my money belong to the government or to other people? I am an individual who may have went to college for ten years and am in Medical, and make tons of money. But, when was my hard work, study, and effort for the government, or for my neighbour. You see, that is why Socialism does not appeal to me. I don't understand how any Democracy-Loving person would ever endure the scourge dogma of Socialism. It is my money, not yours, not the governments.
pwuint12 1 month ago
@pwuint12
The government allows you to get subsides for college. It creates public schools to educate you so that you can get into college. It gives you protection from being a child laborer instead of a student. It creates laws to prevent your life from being a struggle for existence.
And society, which governments are created by and for, gives you knowledge and gives you positions to use your knowledge. Without it, there would be no need or existence of knowledge or education or research.
nafaidni 1 month ago
@nafaidni The greatest knowledge has come from individuals. Albert Einstein did not research into physics and gravity under order of the government, Newton did not contribute the greatest scientific studies to people by decree of a federal agency. Individuals have created society, businesses have created society; they create the jobs, which produce goods and services. Businesses, [Real Estate, Gun Shops, Grocery Stores], are not government owned, nor did the government create them.
pwuint12 1 month ago
@pwuint12
Einstein had access to his intellectual resources and venues of discussion because of government.
But if you're going to bring Einstein into this, I suggest you listen to his video. It's an audio transcript of his 1949 article, "Why Socialism?". I can agree that minds like his are treasures formed by divine chance. His economic logic is as valid as his physical theories to me.
watch?v=h5noUKDuenE&feature=related
nafaidni 1 month ago
@pwuint12
Plus the government prints the money and lets you make exchanges with liquid capital, which is infinitely more productive than bartering goods.
So every element of who you are depends on society and government. Unless you grow your own food, build your own housing, protect yourself with sticks, weave your own clothing, and etc., you depend on society for life.
Which is why there's no reason that people shouldn't be made to contribute to the society that has built them.
nafaidni 1 month ago
@nafaidni We musn't forget that the duty of the federal government is not to regulate the economy, unless when corruption or monopolies are formed. The federal government was not created to regulate the people, but to maintain national security, represent US interests abroad, and to serve the interests of the people.
pwuint12 1 month ago
Uk is soon to pass legislation that will stop executives and bankers paying themselves as huge a bonus and pay awards as they feel like. At least some good news over here!
cisseshairdresser 2 months ago
There is not one person who has commented here who actually knows the correct meaning of the concept of Socialism. Americans, let me say this loud and clear coz I know you ain't the brightest lot, Socialism doe's not, has not, and never will mean Communism. There not even close. Why doe's no-one ever seem to understand this? If your gonna make videos or start running on your mouth on something at least make sure you actually know what it is and understand fully what you talking about! Jesus H!
cisseshairdresser 2 months ago
@cisseshairdresser Correct. However, most Communistic regimes adopt Socialism because it works very well with Socialism. Socialism is control; Communism is control. Socialism is economic control, Communism, using Socialism, is economic AND social control[internet control, media control, etc.] They are alike in that respect, that is undeniable. We've also seen that most countries who employ full-on Socialism fail, such as Greece and the USSR.
pwuint12 1 month ago
in their lives, e.g. a gifted black student is not guilty that his parents drink and can't pay for university in US. In Denmark where university is free and you get other benefits, he can go, study and become next Bill Gates and generate more income than those who decided to live on benefits ever will spend... and in US the same student can become a gang leader who harms country's economy as brilliant, smart people will always find a way to earn money one or another way...
lkrnpk 2 months ago
of course as always you need to balance things, in Norway, Sweden so called socialist programs work, there's a large middle class and no billionaires, of course some people don't like it but in the end there is better heathcare for all and people get better unemployment etc. benefits, also higher taxes (but salaries too)...
What people don't understand is that it not only creates a situation where some people might start to live on benefits, also gives opp. to poor people to attain sth
lkrnpk 2 months ago
@forevercomplaining wow, you truly are clueless. Socialism is the polar opposite of what you say, with power going to the people, all people having educational opportunity, access to health care, and elimination of poverty. What we have now denies human rights to millions and destroys our planet all in the name of greed.
DebsForPresident 2 months ago
yes, let's have socialism. Let's have one person at the top and his friends who own EVERYTHING and let's have everyone else with NOTHING.
Let's have the poor poorer, just so long as the rich are less rich, YES! let's make everyone equal, regardless how many people we'll have killed or die from starvation due to collectivisation of the land.
Let's abolish opportunity and wealth, let's have everyone uneducated with a poor quality of life, whilst the politicians live like Marie Antoinette.
ForeverComplaining 2 months ago
"there is no such thing as a free lunch" couldn't be more true. Free ANYTHING is a loss of productivity somewhere, which is why our wealth diminishes. People seem to think that CIRCULATING wealth is what boosts the economy, but when more people stop PRODUCING wealth, our economy weakens and the ones that are good at capturing the circulating wealth--like the wealthy 1%--will keep capturing it. Socialist "occupiers" have no idea that they're the cause of the problems they're trying to fight.
VirtuosoVII 3 months ago
@VirtuosoVII Do you know of a socialist who works hard?
I know of plenty who claim to. They are usually teachers, who get a large holiday every year and above average wage... it makes me laugh.
People assume getting to the top is like climbing a mountain, well let me tell you something it is not! I have people in my family who run banks and who have MBE's and we come from fuck all.
ForeverComplaining 2 months ago
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. " -Thomas Jefferson
stangsaleens7 3 months ago
WindupGirl, Excellent analysis of how Socialist ignore basic human nature.
megaripcord 3 months ago
President Obama called Wall Street bankers “fat cats” and says he's a "warrior" for the middle class. The numbers show who he's really fighting for. Under Obama, Wall Street has generated over $85 billion in profits in 2.5 years. Under Bush, they generated $77 billion for the entire 8 years he was in office. Obama has also received more 2012 campaign donations from the “fat cats” than all GOP candidates combined. "LIKE" if you think Obama is a "fat cat" in disguise, not a warrior for the middle
JawsJaws 4 months ago
why does everyone think socialism just gives money away!!!!
jtw18 5 months ago
@jtw18 because it does the idea is to have a society with everyone equal and with no government control, but where does that money come from? you guessed it the government just giving money away.
SawedShotgun 4 months ago
@SawedShotgun what?!?! haha conservatives want no gov't control. and the money comes from wealthier people to the gov't and the gov't creates jobs with that money. they dont just give it away
jtw18 4 months ago
@jtw18 the goverment should not be getting involved in the economy and no in socialism everyone is equal you dont even know how the system you support works.
SawedShotgun 4 months ago
@SawedShotgun i know exactly what i support. you're getting communism and socialism confused, just like most conservatives.
jtw18 4 months ago
@jtw18 uhh no the only way a socialistic society can be set up is by government aid in all finances do some research on your system dip shit
SawedShotgun 4 months ago
@SawedShotgun you're confused. i was replying to you saying that in socialism everyone is equal...i know how socialism is set up.
jtw18 4 months ago
@jtw18 uhh no socialism is a tuned down version of communism
SawedShotgun 4 months ago
@SawedShotgun very tuned down but yes you are correct
jtw18 4 months ago
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@jtw18 i just dont believe in it i believe in helping the people who are trying to get jobs but not the people who just sit on the couch all day you cant have a system which has both
SawedShotgun 4 months ago
Hey guys (commentators),
Adam Smith called it "Enlightened Self-Interest", it became part of our concept for Free Enterprise. Ultimately, you will do a better job of spending your money wisely, than government will, even under the best administration.
medicalstoragefront 6 months ago
Has anybody confirmed that this god character even exists? No? Didn't think so.
"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." --Robert Pirsig
bearwrastler 7 months ago
@bearwrastler that is a pretty misguided view on religion, you can say you question a particular religions but it is flat out ignorant to say that the majority of the world is living in some mass delusion
graydog3971 7 months ago
The constitutional framework is (in my view) a model which may have suited its time, but is ultimately in need of serious revision to meet with modern circumstances. The government it builds is too rigid. On the one hand, this protects the system from radicalism (a real boon). On the other hand, it renders the system unable to respond to sudden crises requiring immediate, decisive resolution.
Libertarian Socialism is an alternative to Social Democracy which avoids the problems you list.
SocialistCatgirl 7 months ago
@SocialistCatgirl im afraid libertarian socialism is a contradiction since libertarianism means no real government say in anything but in socialism the workers have the means of production which can only happen with a democratically run government places laws over business
graydog3971 7 months ago
@graydog3971
There's a lot to dispute in what you've said. First, I would posit that you have Libertarianism confused with Anarchism. Anarchism is only the most extreme forms of what is really an entire category of political schools (i.e. Libertarianism). Libertarianism is LESS government intervention, not its absence. What constitutes "less" is what makes up the differing schools' arguments.
I also dispute the impossibility of the formation of a workers' co-op without the aid of government.
SocialistCatgirl 7 months ago
@SocialistCatgirl libertarianism is the form of government with the least government intervention without the absence of government and when it comes to the workers you need a government run by the workers to step in to stop worker mistreatment because without government people will try to take advantage of others so you need a democratically run government to stop this from happening
graydog3971 7 months ago
@graydog3971
The second description of Libertarianism you give does not match the first. There's a HUGE difference between "no real government say in anything" and "the least government intervention without the absence of government". What constitutes the "least government intervention" is (and always will be) a matter of dispute among Libertarians. I believe you are on the right track now.
Workers can (and have) assembled democratic regulation of their own conditions. They're called unions.
SocialistCatgirl 7 months ago
@SocialistCatgirl i see your point but with no government intervention corporations can do whatever they want to the workers, what would happen is the corporations would buy off the government and have no more workers rights, to have true socialism you need to give the power to the people and that power is government and when it has little power the people have little power
graydog3971 7 months ago
@graydog3971
I see where you're arguing from, it seems you're a strong advocate for the Statist forms of Socialism. This is not inherently a bad thing, Social Democracy has proven to be extraordinarily effective (I'm a big fan). But one must always be cautious as they hand the reigns of workers' interests over to politicians. The Bolshevik Party gained its birth promising to be a vanguard of the people. Not too much later the people were too terrified to look at Stalin's PICTURE funny.
SocialistCatgirl 7 months ago
@SocialistCatgirl i to see were your arguing from and the idea itself is not bad but to achieve is a different story, i respect the works of lenin and trotsky but stalin was in my views not even communist he was a totalitarian dictator, but anyway im in favor of the democratic socialism
graydog3971 7 months ago
@graydog3971
Democratic Socialism and Social Democracy are mainly separated not by the ideals they espouse, or even the methodologies through which they operate. The main difference between the two is a matter of the scale of government involvement. Democratic Socialism (to the best of my understanding) is what the CCCP tried (and ultimately failed) to be, while Social Democracy represents a more reformist than revolutionary stance, culminating in the Nordic Socialist model. Is this fair?
SocialistCatgirl 7 months ago
@graydog3971
Because if the descriptions I've given to you are something you'd agree with, my point is that we're really not that far removed from one another on the ideological scale, and truthfully we've similar methodologies in mind. The main difference is a question of placement of the bulk of authority at the federal/state or local level. I admit that an exclusively localized system is ideal, but ultimately unattainable. This is why I am in spirit a Libertarian Socialist, in practice not.
SocialistCatgirl 7 months ago
@SocialistCatgirl i can understand that and i feel we have reached an agreement
graydog3971 7 months ago
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XxExCAL1beRxX 8 months ago
This seems to be generating some debate especially amongst individuals who support socialist ideals.
There are plenty of terms, plutocracy, communism, marxism, socialism, despotism, whatever face you wish to put on a system of governance. In the final analysis it all boils down to human nature.
Those who have faith that more power in a centralized system of government is good for the people, and those of us who don't.
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
snappy72761 8 months ago
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MRNOODLEMENThe 8 months ago
@snappy72761 you fail to understand that socialism is a form of government were the people run the government like a democracy since the people control the means of production what you are talking about is really a form of oligarchy which the government is controled by a small group who do not bother about the needs of the people
MRNOODLEMENThe 8 months ago
@snappy72761 this video is simply untrue
graydog3971 8 months ago
@snappy72761 this video has no facts in it
graydog3971 7 months ago
@snappy72761 socialism is democratically run, power divided among the people can not corrupt
graydog3971 7 months ago
@snappy72761 Search Libertarian Socialism!
23lFrench 2 months ago
let me explain what real socialism is, lets say you work at a toy factory and for every toy you make it is sold for $15 but you only make $2 for every toy so the other $13 goes to the executive. in a socialist country though those $13 go to things like better working conditions schools parks and health care instead of going to the executive who contributed no personal labor to the creation of the toy so in the end socialism helps the bottem 95% instead of the top 5%
MRNOODLEMENThe 8 months ago 7
@MRNOODLEMENThe
There is so much wrong with this statement I don't know where to begin. But, I would like to point out, that in your illustration apparently, there are no cost of goods or overhead in the creation of your toys. Generally speaking, most of what ANY product sells for is cost of production with a marginal profit. A HEALTHY profit might be around 30% (Wal-Mart exists on 4%)
Secondly, the executive might disagree with your notion that he/she contributes "nothing" to the equation.
snappy72761 8 months ago
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MRNOODLEMENThe 8 months ago
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MRNOODLEMENThe 8 months ago
@snappy72761 my perevious statement the cost of production is not the point and it for a $15 toy is only line $3 but i am trying to explain that the profit no matter how much it is goes to government programs and when it comes to the creation its self the executive contribues pretty much nothing to creation of the product itself exept for purchess of materials which is very little in cost
MRNOODLEMENThe 8 months ago
@snappy72761 workers create wealth. nothing you can say will change that.
fenix144 8 months ago 9
@fenix144 You are correct. However, Corporations and Executives and Entrepenauers create the jobs those workers have; it's a great Capitalist system like that.
pwuint12 1 month ago
@pwuint12 Except when those so-called job creators stop creating jobs, treat their employees like shit or just hoard whatever they get out of business.
fenix144 1 month ago
@MRNOODLEMENThe And your proof of this in the real world is...??
Question: what stops the executive from just pocketing the $13? Answer: nothing. This is exactly what happened in the USSR and is now happening in places like China and North Korea. You have the ruling elite who're eating caviar, drinking champagne, and riding around in limos, while the rest of their people are starving and living in squalor, and anyone who complains gets smacked so hard they never complain again.
Get a clue.
WindupGirI 3 months ago
@WindupGirI are you agreeing with me? socialism gets rid of the executives who exploite the workers thats what i have been trying to say
MRNOODLEMENThe 3 months ago
@MRNOODLEMENThe I'm amazed how naive you people are. Socialism doesn't get rid of executives, it replaces them with a small ruling elite. Same thing, different name. It's what happened in every attempted communist country. They give their people the bare minimum and keep them in check through fear, while they ride around in limos and drink champagne. Uncorrupted power doesn't exist.
HUMAN NATURE. The two inconvenient little words that will ALWAYS stand between you and your communist paradise.
WindupGirI 3 months ago
@WindupGirI Exactly!
Socialism takes the power from the people and gives it to dictators at the top and it's the same with communism.
Socialism is worse than capitalism and communism in practice is the complete opposite of true communism, which stands for everyone owning everything and but it been shared out (which I disagree with but true communism is a far from what communism is in practice)
ForeverComplaining 2 months ago
@MRNOODLEMENThe But who would bother making a business if they weren't going to make profit and just break even?
My mother works her but off running a cleaning business and only makes £10k a year, which is below minimum wage. and She's single so it's hard for us.
Are you suggesting she gets £0k and we starve? just so that her staff get an extra £1k each year?
you are incredibly ignorant and selfish and your views are out of vengeance & jealousy.
ForeverComplaining 2 months ago
@MRNOODLEMENThe Boy are you a retard. Absolute power corrupts!
mattcat333 2 months ago
@MRNOODLEMENThe Then the executive earns nothing? Fallacious. He created, or at least, runs that company. You fail to see that he created jobs, which creates tax payers, which ITSELF creates tax money for the government for working conditions, schools, parks, and not Health Care, because socialism doesn't work AT ALL with Health Care. But, the money the executive makes does not belong to the government, the executive works like me and you, that money is not the gov'ts.
pwuint12 1 month ago
There hasn't been a system that works and is fair to all citizens in the whole of history except for the tribal community. Believe it or not a tribal way of life is the most efficient and most fair to the individual. Your ideas of freedom is wrong at its core. We shouldn't do whatever, instead we should do what we are supposed to. As long as we are limited by an environment we will never be truly free. Soon a time will come when we will have no choice but to do what it takes to survive.
No3v1l 8 months ago
You Americans are strange! you moan all day long about communism/socialism yet your draft/franchise sytem for the NFL/NBA is exactly that!
FreshPrinceAkeem 9 months ago
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND SOCIALISM!!!
You are confusing it with Communism and anti-capitalism.
Europe embraces socialism and thats why it is far superior in nearly everything from Healthcare to Education to the US.
Modern Socialism works and thats a fact. Just go to britian and see and experience the NHS and social security support etc and tell me that Socilaism doesn't work? Ask the Brits if Socialism is evil? Its so successful even British Conservatives emrace it. You don't understand History.
cisseshairdresser 10 months ago
@cisseshairdresser
Friend, I appreciate your input and I'll have to politely disagree with you.
My assertion would be that communism is nothing more than COMPLETE socialism and that socialism is nothing more than a step in the "right" direction, if you WANT communism.
Notwithstanding, there are Brits and Germans who don't like or agree with their economic system just like there are Americans who disagree with ours.
Socialism is for nonproducers, the producers appreciate American superiority.
snappy72761 10 months ago
@snappy72761 By your way of thought liberalism and/or capitalism will eventualy lead to anarchy (wich it doesnt) cause anarchy is nothing more than complete removal of the goverment. The way I see it it's leading to a plutocracy. Also you say in your video that politicians as third party purchasers don't care about price and they aren't really concerned about quality. I'm sorry but if a politician doesn't care about the quality of the services or prodcts he's delivering than that's a bad one.
vdwhans 9 months ago
@snappy72761 you are right that socialism is the step to communism. I fear your knowledge of communism is non-existent though.
fenix144 8 months ago
@snappy72761 The Tory [Conservative] Party is the largest growing in the UK. People are realising, since Thatcher, that Socialism doesn't work at all. Don't listen to the people saying that ''All Brits are labour-hugging Socialists'' It's just nonsense, most of us hate the system right now. The Health Care in the UK is great? Pssh. People here don't even have teeth, appointments take weeks to months, and most women over 50 have cancer; ignore the hypocrisy.
pwuint12 1 month ago
@cisseshairdresser The only thing you need to understand about socialism is the fact that it's madness.
gamefreak1000000 9 months ago
@cisseshairdresser As i recall, america was built from former europeans who did not like all the taxes that you europeans have therefor made us a great country that we are today. The reason america is in a shithole right now is because of socialism.
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. " Thomas Jefferson
stangsaleens7 3 months ago
@cisseshairdresser You idiot healthcare and education are the only things that they are ahead of us with, and guess what! are educational system is run by liberals and socialist. Plus europes unemployement is 30%! way worse then ours. So rethink if socialism is workin out so well i dont feel like being a slave to my own government
legendofvandersar 3 months ago
@cisseshairdresser
Dude, you gotta be tongue jackin' my shit box son! The EU is broke because of these ploicies you fucking moron! Ignorance seems to be deep today. I understand history just fine and Greece, Portugal and Italy are having to be bailed out by the Germans. Ask the Germans if they think it's fair? SOCIALISM WILL NEVER WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mattcat333 2 months ago
You conservative dopes hollering about "smaller government" ignore the actions of your hero Ronald Reagan who actually GREW government in the realms of economic protectionism for American business & the security state.
It's EXTREMELY telling that you use a "purchase" as your example of how a political system works. Most idiot Americans like yourself see freedom as nothing more than changing a channel on televison or choosing something to buy. You're full of nothing but idiot cliche ideas.
bapyou 11 months ago
@bapyou
Thank you for injecting some sense. Right wing yanks are dumb. How come their always southern as well?
I think it hilarious how they vilify Socialism as if it kills babies or something. I'm off to hospital now where I will be seen and treated for free and then I'll be going to the pharmacy to get my free medication and then tomorrow the phtsio is coming to my house to work on my rehabilitation from my knee surgery again, for free. Not paying insurance SUCKS. I hate Socialism. WAKE UP!
cisseshairdresser 10 months ago
the only reason people like the guy who made this video make shit like this is because they pretend that the average american isn't a complete moron, get it through your thick fucking skull americans do not know what to do with there own money i know they like to think they do but they dont, and the government is put in place to take care of and nurture its people and all you fucking conservatives have this idea in your head that big government = conspiracy
transcendtheages 1 year ago
I like your explanation it is very simple and easy to understand.
TheRedWolf080 1 year ago
I really don't mean to piss anyone off but if you lib-terds think for one sec that you are going to destroy my nation with socialism you gotta another thing coming lazy asses. Im NOT telling you that Ill fight you Im telling you that ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. So go get a job and be quiet THE END of story. Im saving you a lot of time by just being blunt and matter-of-fact with you. You cannot and will not win this. I promise.
GeorgeBonez 1 year ago
@GeorgeBonez Oh yea clearly you are not trying to piss any of us off. I'm not going to destroy our (i'll repeat it again, our) nation with socialism. And it will happen, I'm sorry to tell you but it will. The general progression of society demands it. Conservatives today are the liberals of the past and the liberals today are the conservatives of the future. This I promise. I gaurentee you that the average liberal is more intelligent than the average conservative, and we do have jobs. :)
patsfan124 11 months ago
I am going to promote this vid while browsing other vids to try to get people in here to talk. If you know of a better place thats fine but this guy made a simple vid and doesn't seem to be exploiting anything or anyone but the most important thing is that we have to get together NOW. We all talk about the day the shit hits it. Well it hit it about two years ago so lets do it.
GeorgeBonez 1 year ago
Hey folks!! (Conservatives) I think this is a great place to meet every night. I dont know this guy and just found this vid today but he makes good common since and is expressing in a way that most can understand. Lets all meet here every night to talk and share ideas and just plain ole gather. You can turn on automatic updates and it will run a lot like a chat room. Its time we ban together and this is as good of place as any. Respond to my comment if you are interested. I want to rally now!
GeorgeBonez 1 year ago
@GeorgeBonez
Friend, I like and encourage people to assemble with a meeting of like minds to affect change in our system. In my opinion we still have the best "system" of government, but the people have to stand up and take responsibility for their leadership.
Failing to get involved will only give us more of the same.
People are more than welcome to use this channel as a meeting place if they so choose. I will contribute as much as I can.
snappy72761 1 year ago
@snappy72761 have you guys watched the documentary "Waiting For Superman?" It talks about all the shitty public, government funded schools in america, pretty sad. It bothers me cause the good teachers get paid the same as the shitty teachers because of the unions and tenure. They proposed to increase teachers pay from $55,000 to $123,000 as long as they can remove tenur. The union wouldn't even allow debate on the issue. What are your guys thoughts on the education?
redgixxer18 1 year ago
@snappy72761 great video keep up the good work
SawedShotgun 4 months ago
lol the guys a tool of plutocracy. the plutocrats have made him look in the wrong direction convincing him that government spending was the cause of Americas troubles, when it was them all along . a very typical useful idiot .
MUDSHARK111 1 year ago
The people running the companies are only concerned with greed.
technojungle 1 year ago
@technojungle Well maybe they should close their greedy companies and lay everyone off then. Right? If you work for one of these evil companies then I VOTE TO LAY YOU OFF. I wouldn't want you to work for an evil greedy company so if you do I think that you should march right in and quit. Perhaps you work for the gov. Which is it?
GeorgeBonez 1 year ago
awesome video man. have you read The Road To Serfdom?
redgixxer18 1 year ago
@redgixxer18 Hey dude like your post and your screen name. I have a yellow/black Gixxer-6. I have commented on this vid that we should use it as a daily meeting place. Hey if your on FB lets do a friend invite or something. I wanna see that bike man. I dont think that I have ever seen a red one. Its time we conservatives get together if ya know what I mean. Ive had enough of this lib-terd garbage and this is a good place to do it. Im gonna promote this vid as a meeting place surfing other vids.
GeorgeBonez 1 year ago
Was it Maggie Thatcher or Winston Churchill that said " the problem with socialism is, that eventually you run out of other peoples money."
hanGun61 1 year ago
@hanGun61 thatcher did say it im nopt sure if she was the original .however nothing that evil bitch said has any value . rather like using Hitlers criticism of Communism to promote fascism .
MUDSHARK111 1 year ago
obama is a fraud he doens't care about america
speard the truth dude
americanliberal09 1 year ago
oh ya, i may not worry about the quaity of your T-shirt, but that does not mean that eveybody will, haven't you had a girl friend? it's like saying that some republicans are t-party activist, so all of them are t-party activist. which is not true.
wewantsainty89 1 year ago
but you guy don't care, so long as the lakers make it to the championships, you guys are all happy, right? go celtics!
wewantsainty89 1 year ago
the dictatorship that we live in is known as plutocracy, rule of the rich. these people don't care about your needs, you all are just comidities to them. but they're not stupid, the rich pay off politicians so they will work the will of the rich. obama is guilty with that, so is bush, clinton, daddy bush, and reagan, so on and so forth. the rich pay the politicians so the dictatorship is not obvious to the masses of people. the rich fear socialism because there will be no place for them in there
wewantsainty89 1 year ago
you see socialism is not a perminate goerment system; it is a stepping stone to communism. and no, what stalin and his buddies call communism was not communism. stalin and his paranoia had taken solalism, and turned it into a state capitalist society, which is a direct form of dictatorship. socailism is suppost to run out of money, because true communism has no need for money. for those of you who fear dicatorship, you live in one. the way how it is run now is an indirect form of dictatorship.
wewantsainty89 1 year ago
this guy is a reasonable person, and he has a few good points, true socailism does run out of money eventullay, andd true socailism does raise taxes and increase spending. hugo chaves did increase spending in the venezuela goverment after he took office, but look what he did with he money. police reform, labor reform. crime there is half of what it was 10-20 years ago, and thats because the police back then where highly involved in the crimes taking place.
wewantsainty89 1 year ago
Sadly, it is true that Politics = Economics.
I don't understand why we can't just share resources and work together to better everyone's lives.
Oh wait, I do understand why - greed and ego.
guitarist41 1 year ago
Capitalism is the most basic animal/human behaviour. Capitalism gives no incentive to be fair. Laws should do that.
A fair society would still distribute wealth unevenly based on merit. But, nobody should have 1 Billion dollars. That 1 Billion dollars is incentive for the same ammount of workers wether 1 person controls it or Every single person in the society controls it. The only difference is if everybody controlled investment equaly nobody would have the leverage to exploit anyone else.
szaboa2 1 year ago
Nice to see that some people still exist who have their head sitting squarely on their shoulders. Good video.
MattmanDude44 1 year ago 2
@MattmanDude44
Thanks friend, the effort to change the hearts and minds of people who don't get it is never ending. I try to help people weed the "wheat from the chaff" as it were when it comes to the political rhetoric surrounding the "feel good" symbolism over substance policies we are being fed these days.
Keep talking to people yourself, we will never effect real change without a broad and persistent vigilance looking out for our great country.
Peace & Wisdom.
snappy72761 1 year ago
@PokerPlum
We are clearly not going to agree. I'm not sure how your economic world is supposed to work if no-one is allowed to accumulate and grow wealth for fear that they weren't "fair enough" to the people working in the enterprise.
You could never create ANY investment in a society that distributes all the profit to the lowest rung of the ladder. Who would buy a single stock if all the profit was distributed to the workers instead of the shareholders?
snappy72761 1 year ago
Not to mention that if you took all the corporate profits in Intel and evenly distributed it to all of the talent working there, it wouldn't take long before the workers at Tyson Foods would be complaining that they weren't making as much as the Intel guys.
The only way to determine "fair" is to let the free market decide. Corporations compete for labor with salaries, when they can't get the best workers they raise salaries until those workers are willing to show up.
snappy72761 1 year ago
@PokerPlum
Friend, I'm not trying to be ugly here, I'm really not, I'm also not asking you to "believe my views." I suppose your reference to "REAL hard-workers" is to miners from your removed comment, and I tried to imply that group earlier.
Where you and I differ is that somehow you believe that because they are doing the physical labor to mine gold, coal, iron, whatever... that they should be entitled to the profits derived therefrom. But the "labor" is only part of making the money.
snappy72761 1 year ago
What about the financing of the mining operation? Who had what it took to raise the capital necessary to employ all those miners? Who took the financial risk? Who sold all that ore or coal or whatever? Who worked out the answers to thousands of problems in order to make money out of the dirt?
That doesn't happen by accident. If the miner himself could do it, he/she would. The reason that they don't is because it's too "hard" a problem for them to solve.
snappy72761 1 year ago
So they settle for an hourly compensation, they accept the risks for the compensation they are offered. The reason it works is because if they don't do it someone else will. If the compensation is too low, it will be raised until people are willing to do the "hard work" required to earn the money.
If you try to remove the profit from the operation you will never raise the intellectual or monetary capital necessary to give all those people jobs in the first place.
Sounds good on paper.
snappy72761 1 year ago
@PokerPlum
Don't confuse working hard with working smart. Hard work is an extremely noble pursuit and a virtuous way to earn an honest wage. However, don't discount the contribution of "smart work."
Just because someone isn't swinging a hammer, lifting a heavy load or towing a burdensome line doesn't mean that they don't have an equally and perhaps greater contribution to society.
The smart workers engineered most of the systems in which the hard workers earn their living.
snappy72761 1 year ago
I don't want to give our government back to people like you--when people like you want to cut our defense spending substantially, end pork, and get money out of politics--then maybe I will listen to what you have to say--you just want our tax dollars to be spent on people like you-- not the poor--people who don't do anything probably do less harm than than people like you
doyoulovebig 1 year ago
@doyoulovebig
Friend, you won't have to 'give' it back, the left's policies will result in the people taking it back. That is the beauty of our system, we have the liberty to try something new and if we don't like the outcome, we can change it.
You don't know me so you can't possibly know how I want public money spent, but for the record I don't want money spent on the "poor" or the "rich." I'd be thrilled to see pork go away and money removed from politics and I'm working towards that goal.
snappy72761 1 year ago
How can you say capitalism and democracy work? It doesn't matter what type of economic and political system you have human nature fucks it up, so please don't think that capitalism is better than socialism because that is not true.
you are just biased because you grew up during the cold war.
szaboa2 1 year ago
@szaboa2
Biased because I grew up during the cold war?! Anyone who would say that a capitalist economic system and democracy doesn't work needs to read the book, "The 5,000 year leap."
This American experiment did more to improve the quality of life across the globe than any other society in the history of humanity.
Prior to the founding of this political and economic system, the world was basically the same for the past 5,000 years, virtually every modernization on the planet started here.
snappy72761 1 year ago
@snappy72761 Capitalism was not founded by anyone. Adam smith didn't invent capitalism. He described it. He was curious how self intrest could be beneficial to society as a whole. The world and people have always been capitalist.
szaboa2 1 year ago
@szaboa2 This "5000" years you speak of was STATE-CAPITALISM in which the state is the private owner of capital. You cant argue that STATE-CAPITALISM didn't exploit millions so why would you try to argue that CORPORATE-CAPITALISM doesn't exploit people.
szaboa2 1 year ago
I love this!!! I showed this to my class
Polevaultnerd08 1 year ago
You are right, there is a tyrannic force controlling the American government. It is called big business. When Socialists say they will take money from the rich, they don't mean someone like you or me. The only people who should be concerned about this are people making money into the several billions. They honestly don't need that much capital, it's not going back into the economy. Instead it is going to their bank accounts, so why not set up some programes to spread that money around.
WakeUpRory 1 year ago
@WakeUpRory There won't be a shortage of money for the programs because that small percent of the population that has all of the money, have lots of money and they are constantly making more capital. If someone isn't working like you said, then it isn't fair that you are taking care of them with your hard earned cash, I agree. But the single mother working two jobs without benefits should, thats the people these programs will help. In my earlier post I said billions, I meant Millions, typo.
WakeUpRory 1 year ago
@WakeUpRory
Although I understand your feelings friend, I'll have to disagree with any idealism suggesting that the best way to run our economic system is the redistribution of wealth from one group to another, regardless of how wealthy that group is.
You are wrong that billions (or millions for that matter) only goes into their bank accounts. These people have money because they know how to make money and you don't make it in a bank account paying less than 2%.
snappy72761 1 year ago
The groups with the most money, reinvest their money into the economy in the form of business, jobs and opportunity for that single mother you were talking about.
It is ridiculous to think that the ultra-wealthy are hoarding up all that money for their own personal consumption. It's not, the making of money in their circles is a competition against themselves and their piers, the byproduct is more jobs.
I've never gotten a job from a poor person or even an average person for that matter.
snappy72761 1 year ago
Be glad that we have such wealthy & enterprising people living in our country they are a big part of what makes our economic system the best in the world. Clearly, we've had our share of economic hiccups, but since the 1700's we've always managed to correct our problems and come roaring back better than before.
We are the ONLY nation in the world to establish that pattern, let's don't go screwing it up trying to imitate economic systems with a crystal clear track record of long term failure.
snappy72761 1 year ago
@snappy72761 The money redistributed won't go straight into the pockets of the working class, it will go to projects that will help make their lives easier and more enjoyable. Everyone should be entitled to the "American Dream" not just the select few. Lets say you run a big company. You guys are doing great at let's say, 200,000 employees. Why would you hire more if you have enough to run perfectly fine? Many jobs are being replaced with technology or being sent over seas.
WakeUpRory 1 year ago
@WakeUpRory Preventing that is how you make more jobs, not giving tax cuts to the super wealthy.
"Capitalists are not more capable of self-sacrifice than a man is capable of lifting himself by this own bootstraps."
WakeUpRory 1 year ago
@WakeUpRory
Friend, I just don't think you and I are going to agree on this issue. Most people (including doctors, lawyers & engineers) are raised in this country to look for a JOB, not create a job. It is the rare exception that someone has the creative ingenuity, an entrepreneurial spirit required to step out and make one's own way and in the process provide JOB opportunities for those willing to work for them. The entrepreneur is entitled to make as much money as he/she wishes without...
snappy72761 1 year ago
government interference. Passing judgment on them with statements like "they honestly don't need all that capital," really isn't our place. They made it, they can do with it what they please.
The role of government in this equation is to prevent tyrannical men from subverting the system and taking advantage of the masses with their power and money, which has happened from time to time.
Our government needs only to protect its citizens from abuse and offer them opportunity to help themselves.
snappy72761 1 year ago
We are far from perfect, but we won't get any closer by taking from the producers and giving money, goods or services to the lower level producer. (I didn't say non-producer, like they weren't doing anything).
The free market determines what someone's effort is worth. I understand that life can be very hard even for people who work very hard. The cure for that is to create.
Our country provides plenty of opportunity for people to make an above average living, if they are will to work hard..
snappy72761 1 year ago
serving others providing either goods or services that other people need and are willing to pay for.
I know people who build fences that take home over $500K a year. It's not high tech, it's not glamorous, but they are willing to do the work that others don't want to do for a fee that others are willing to pay.
It didn't come easy (wealth never is) but it did come. Their biggest complaint is government interference in their work.
We need less government regulation and more entrepreneurs.
snappy72761 1 year ago
@snappy72761 So you think it's right that some people will make 50 million a year while others make 50K? I understand that the person making millions has worked hard to get where they are, sometimes they even start off at minimum wage jobs. But what about the person working just as hard who can hardly get by? You are right about how we will never agree on this subject, I guess if we both won't change our views on this it's useless talking. But it was nice debating with you on this subject.
WakeUpRory 1 year ago
@WakeUpRory
It's never useless to continue a healthy debate, our country was founded by a group of men who debated endlessly about how the government should be established and what it should and should not do.
Granted, there was virtually nothing in their debates about what to "give" to the citizenry - other than inalienable rights, enumerated protections from government, and a government structure that HOPEFULLY would be immune to the insatiable desires of power hungry men.
snappy72761 1 year ago
I do think that it's okay for someone to make almost limitless sums of money while others make far less... I don't believe that it can be reasonably asserted that the lower income earner works "just as hard" as the former.
Income is rarely attributable to luck - more often than not it's highly correlated to education. That means that it's up to the individuals to get themselves educated; and this country does a fine job of making education available to anyone with the will to pursue it.
snappy72761 1 year ago
@snappy72761 North America was founded on greed. The colonies were established to make money. Canada, where I live, was pretty much ran by a corporation, the Hudson Bay Company. Therefore, Capitalism is engraved in our North American culture. George Washington was a general and land surveyor before the revolution. Against British law, he surveyed part of Indian Territory to sell for his own gain. He started selling the land to the Europeans, and the Native people didn't like that so trouble...
WakeUpRory 1 year ago
@WakeUpRory begain. The British tried doing something about it, but the founding fathers disagreed with their intervention. This was one of the major causes of the American Revolution. They were criminals under British law, of course they would rebel. The country was founded on the principals of criminals. Granted, the American Constitution is one of the greatest government documents written, but if has its faults too. Also, Socialism was a fairly new idea at the time.
WakeUpRory 1 year ago
Socialsim and even social market economy don`t work - we tried it both in Germany!
lofitoo 1 year ago
@lofitoo
That's communism what you're saying not socialism.
You all know what communism is but not what socialism is. Socialism isn't authoritarian like communism. (The political spectrum has 3 ashes and most forgot 2 of them and think only in therms of left and right and then, yeah in that case communism is the same as socialism!)
PoliticKills 1 year ago
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@lofitoo Are you talking about the "Nationals Socialist German Worker's Party" AKA the Nazi party?
WakeUpRory 1 year ago
uh, i want you to take a moment, and realize Obama is not a Socialist.
Nothiean 1 year ago
1) I read your title and i wanted to add: Politics = Economics = Liberalism but also socialism. Socialism isn't communism. It isn't the same. Socialism is also Economics, Communism isn't Economics.
2) I see you sit in a big expensive chair. There are people who can't afford a chair like that. Ok. They didn't work enough. But there are people who never had chances to study or work. They live on the street. Socialism takes care about those people. The monster of liberalism en capitalism doesn't.
PoliticKills 1 year ago
@PoliticKills
I appreciate your comments and your point of view. I would agree that in MY society, people generally have opportunity if they can get over their excuses... they HAVE opportunity.
In other societies, you are right, there are people who never had equality of opportunity and their circumstances are not entirely their fault. That is one benefit of the U.S. we certainly provide people the means to "pull themselves up," if they don't take advantage of it.. that's their fault.
snappy72761 1 year ago
@snappy72761
Imagine.
You're an american.
1) problematic youth: Kids who's parents are 'not so smart' don't get values and standards. So They don't bother by stealing someone others property --> problematic youth . problems with police --> police record. In school they have the wrong friends --> so no learning or creating values.
2) They come in life. Can't work anywhere because of the police record. Can't find proper wife because of the smell :) Never learned to better their lifes!
PoliticKills 1 year ago
continuation 2) Don't have money so going to steal --> more problems with police, less change to get a proper job. Fact: poor people have more children (and they have less money) and kids cost money, many money so the're getting more into debt.
3) generation poverty: That guy or girl won't learn his kids proper values because he don't have it himself. Then the story starts again!
Conclusion: so the problem is not by the person itselfs, it's by his education. He never learned something!
PoliticKills 1 year ago
I realized I had power. Its time other people realized that too. Together as a united people, we are strong. The goal of the current government is to divide and conquer the people. Dividing us is easy for them. Simply stir the race issue and they got us at each others throats. I've been posting messages that encourage the people to unite. Blacks and whites. Just stand together and shrug off the calls of division.
feelzthelove 1 year ago
@feelzthelove
Thank you for making that point because it's precisely the issue that we need to focus on. Contrary to popular belief, our rights do not come from government but from God, and we lend the authority to govern to our elected representatives. As such, all the "power" lies in the collective consciousness of the people not politicians. When they go astray (as they most certainly always will) it is our responsibility to act to preserve the incunabulum established by our forefathers.
snappy72761 1 year ago
Why are the Communist and socialist countries have thriving booming economies and ours is SHIT..... open your eyes REDNECK.
RobVanMeter 1 year ago
@RobVanMeter
"Thriving?" You might do a little homework before making a statement like that. I don't think there is an economy on the face of the planet that is "thriving" in view of the global economic crisis.
Try asking some of the Greeks what they think about their economy. Regardless, even though capitalism isn't perfect, it's still the best and most durable system ever devised.
Good thing you got us rednecks here to keep it that way... wouldn't want to let the liberals run amuck! ;)
snappy72761 1 year ago
People have to wake up. The reason why things are going wrong is because of the American people have not been keeping track of their government.
feelzthelove 1 year ago
@feelzthelove what things do you mean exactly
myf0lk 1 year ago
@myf0lk I should not have to explain to you what things are going wrong. The American people should be the ones driving the train but instead, we have a bunch of crooks who are running us off the tracks. Wake up and toss them out and start over. Take control and slow this train down. Then toss out the trash.
feelzthelove 1 year ago
@feelzthelove well its true that most politicians, if not all, lie and do things we have no idea about. Manhattan project was a good example and everything Nixon did. i wasn't calling u out or anything btw, im just interested in peoples different views
myf0lk 1 year ago
@feelzthelove
I'll give that a hearty second! No doubt THAT is the epicenter of our crisis... it's a crisis of apathy. There will only be so much time allowed for apathy before our inalienable rights will be abrogated and MANY people will be standing around wondering what the f*** just happened?
Hate to see it happen EVER, much less in my lifetime... but it sure appears that we're well on our way to giving away our government of the people, for the people & by the people. Sad, sad, sad...
snappy72761 1 year ago