Made at a time when people had to be "saying something" to justify studio time and professional expertise in order to produce a finished produce...that's all i'm saying.
I went to a Jean Carne performance on my birthday, and she asked if anyone had songs in her catalog they would like to request...I suggested this one, and her band had not rehearsed it, but she sang it A'CAPELLA just for me...to me....she is truly fantastic!! ...and I never even let her know that it was my b'day...She is just that thoughtful to her fans!! I am one forever!!!
@kf40 You're entitled to your opinion.I'm also entitled to say you're an idiot.Sampling is bullshit ? Ever heard of Pete Rock,J Dilla,DJ Premier,Kev Brown,9th Wonder,Havoc (from Mobb Deep) or Just Blaze ?
It's how you sample a song and the creativity involved.You wouldn't understand that though.Based on your "comment" I can tell you don't think too deep.I love real R&B music like this but I also love real hip hop (rap in the musical form) that uses sampling in a clever and artful manner.
WELL DONE !!!!!........Thanx so much hamishblues....I have not been able to find this album for years!!!!......Absolutely stunning!!!!....Jean Carne is a CLASSIC and I group her w/ legends like Nancy Wilson.......I'm lovin it!!!!
interesting - the rights and wrongs of sampling - it is indeed a tricky one. you listen to some of the samples on Amerie's 'Touch' album - specifically the intro to 'Can We Go' absolute daylight robbery of Earth Wind & Wire, from Rich Harrison, yet the tune is brilliant, and so is the whole 'Touch' album.
What an incredible album!!! The whole thing! I have worn out a couple copies of thid LP. I'm probably on my third. Thanks Dexter, Jean and, of course, PIR.
Actually if it wasn't for hip hop ALOT of songs would have never gotten the light of day and would remain unknown b sides of a record that no one has heard of hip hop has done more for those artists than their own labels could've imagined by breathing fresh air into an old idea you know like THE JACKSON 5 doing a cover of a STEVIE WONDER song plus yet i forget to mention sampling started out with people with no access to a studio & band + could not afford 1 even if they did thats perseverance
sampling is not stealing. Sampling is like playing an instrument. If u play a chromatic scale on a saxophone even though others before you have played it is that stealing if u use that scale to create a different song than whatchu started with.
sampling adds to a song like an instrument adds to a song.
There has been a lot of stagnation, creatively speaking, in the music world because technology has made it so that doing a track no longer requires the talent, time and effort to produce. Add to that the ears of most folks are not accustomed to high quality music any longer; nothing against sampling, but where are the true instrumentalists and vocalists that have the gift? Usually pushed out of the opportunities.
@earsneyes1: I take it, therefore, that you're currently enjoying hit records and international fame? Or do you disavow success and wealth on principle?
@RHutton2710 The issue is not making money or enjoying the fruit of success; it's what passes as success these days versus what what passes as success during Jean Carnes' heyday. Everything basically has been put into an easily transposable formula that can cross all genres of music, and make money. But from a quality standpoint, it's poor; that's all I'm saying. That's why the old schoolers are still enjoying mass profits when they go out on tour; Rolling Stones anyone?
@earsneyes1: true. But we do live in capitalist countries. Without making money, artists can't make great art or music for long. You're right: sometimes that creates listless music; but it also facilitates great, soulful musicians as well. Without TV, radio and Youtube today a lot of artists would be lost in the shadows. Personally, I'm graetful that we get contributors devoting their time for free. Without them I'd never have bought the last fifty records I did.
@smiley77060 Sapling is today's easy way out to make music. Prince, Jimi Hendrix, Stevie W, Michael Jackson, and countless legends DON'T sample. Sampling is sometimes creative but it's NO Where near like CREATING original music. I wish our music would be more original especially R&B.
@Ltron9 But you can create something original from something borrowed or used, like a quilt. It has pieces of fabric from other sources but it still comes out as a work of art when its done. At the same time I agree with you. Composers are few and far between nowadays.
@smiley77060 It's a very thin line between cheating and making a "quit" as you put it. Maybe Rap should use samples and R&B should to be totally original.
I agree to a degree with your point. Look at what Sampling did for James Brown, Rick James and other greats. I just see it a lil Different in the sense that these same younger people will get older and revisit. Great music would be there for those who lived and experienced it when it was popular but new Generations will have new tastes and a different feel for music. One of the more positive aspects of sampling is bridging that same gap you spoke of earlier.
Surely you're not suggesting that younger people would never have become aware of James Brown, Rick James and others had their music not been "sampled"? If that were actually the case, I'd say that it reflects very badly on young people's interest in music, let alone their own rich cultural history.
Wow. To bad you cant appreciate the purpose of sampling. Some of this music would be lost forever. I am a vocalist and pianist but I understand the purpose of sampling and how to connect to the youth.... if you have a better way of introducing great music do it but dont hate on what has come out of the Era of Disco, Coke and Music being pulled from the Schools.
This music would certainly NOT be "lost forever" without sampling (What utter rubbish!) I have turned on many, many younger people to great tracks without ripping off the song for my own benefit! These records are hardly "obscure" even now - except to folk who frankly, just can't be bothered to look.
Sadly reading some Youtube comments, many of "the youth" seem to search out new tracks soley for the "breaks" and to "murder" them (as young DJ one put it) with little regard for the music itself.
do you see what honor people bring to these great artists by sampling them? - quit knockin people for sampling alot of good things have came out of it - since it seems like u dont like hip hop you probably dont know the song "Song Cry" - credit from that sample helped out a failing inner city youth music program - people like Gamble and Huff have said on plenty occasions that they love the fact people sample them and look at as a tribute instead of talentless hacks
Honour among thieves more like! There are PLENTY of talentless hacks around, FAR MORE than those tiny few who sample music creatively. What really annoys me is the ridiculous kudos given to their obvious second-rate efforts. Gamble & Huff can afford to be generous with their praise. Many lesser known artists can't, and if the youth haven't even heard the songs of Gamble & Huff's without them first being "sampled", then we're in a very sorry state indeed!
like i said theres been a multitude of great artists from times past who didnt get the recognition they deserved THEN and now are getting it through sampling - many of these artists were in financial crisis from their own doing or not who have been helped tremendously through sample credits - and sampling aint just hip hop people of all different music genres have been taking pieces of music and making them their own
one modern example is Hans Zimmers work on Gladiator theres a piece reminiscent to Richard Wager created for Der Ring des Nibelungen - trust me this has been goin on for thousands of years and its not thievery when your doing business with the people - now not giving credit is deplorable and unacceptable - but music has been goin on for thousands of years this song here couldve been "stolen" in your words without them knowing - no music is original most likely its already been done before
oh yeah somethin else just hit me - what about artists recreating popular songs like When A Man Loves a Woman is that stealing 2? just because they are singin and already created song? or that applys just to hip hop right? - you'd be surprised on how many kids are into these songs and can tell you where they got it from because they grew up in a house like I did full of different kinds of music
Well you mention "covering" a well known song. I'd say yes, it IS dishonourable when the "cover" is done quickly, in order to deprive the original artist of a hit (and there are many examples of that, particularly in the 50s and 60s) It still goes on today to some extent, when a well-known artist...
...(Simply Red) "covers" a song by lesser known (and less well funded) artists like the Valentine Bros. Neither act were particularly well known at the time, but try asking kids today who sang "Money's Too Tight To Mention"? I see sampling in the same light. It will only be truly "fair" when the ORIGINAL performer gets at least as much out of it as those who sample the tune, and in cases where the performer didn't WRITE the song, they usually get little out of it.
well it goes back to my point - if they get their credit and some money its all good - and if the people who sung it didnt write the song thats their bad luck - especially if they didnt read their contract in the beginning before selling their soul to a record label - its a cruel world out there and they shouldve defended themself from the wolves - ive been fucked out of record sales - people have stolen my work but i dont feel bitter about it I learned from it
and to be honest i cant wait for people to sample my stuff because thats when u know you change peoples life with your music - as musicians we get in this game with that intention in the first place - and to have your song be popular again after 30-40-50 years is amazing and to hear what some people can do with it is incredible - people who never heard your original song will always look it back it up because of that sample and your song is reborn
"..and if the people who sung it didnt write the song thats their bad luck.."
"...shouldve defended themself from the wolves"
The biggest "pack of wolves" are actually those "musicians" who steal samples like magpies with NO regard for anything other than making money for themselves. What's more I maintain that YouTube is probably doing MORE to spread awareness of the original recordings than hip-hop will ever do. One only has to read YouTube comments by some younger people to see that.
there is something called art im sure you heard of it and people who sample dont do it to just steal it - they admire it - they honor it - and answer this question if Kids were to get on Youtube that had no idea who Jean Carn or Eddie Kendricks or any of the great soul singers were how would they know who to look up? trust me a kid picks up a cd and looks at the credits they will know who it is if they never heard it
I agree witchu on all ur statements. If u look in the Bible in Psalms some of them if u read under the title it will say "Set to _____". Meaning King David and the other psalmists sampled as well.
Jean Carne was the coldest!! Dexter Wansel and Al Johnson made magic with her. If you're not hip to Dexter and Jean checkout Sweetest Pain. No modern day music compares to the classic manners of past musicians. Jean Carne... UNSUNG!!!! I agree
As far as technique goes, there are few that can match her. But like so many artists today that don't get their due, marketing, management and material play the major roles as to why they don't succeed. A prime example is Beyonce versus Jennifer Hudson; Jennifer Hudson flat blows away Beyonce vocally, yet Beyonce is far and away more popular.
Made at a time when people had to be "saying something" to justify studio time and professional expertise in order to produce a finished produce...that's all i'm saying.
And I love it especially at the 2:52 min
405line 4 months ago in playlist jean carne
fantastic music..
UBZUKI 6 months ago
dexter is a master producer
footyclub1 7 months ago
beautiful intro......one of her best......pure class.
R2D2Sabino 1 year ago
Is there a better female soul singer out there.....................no there is not there is and will only ever be one JEAN CARNE thank you Jesus
mtony 1 year ago
Thank you. I figured it out. Still can't believe that I never heard her version on the radio
and Marilyn's version once.
journeysolo 1 year ago
I went to a Jean Carne performance on my birthday, and she asked if anyone had songs in her catalog they would like to request...I suggested this one, and her band had not rehearsed it, but she sang it A'CAPELLA just for me...to me....she is truly fantastic!! ...and I never even let her know that it was my b'day...She is just that thoughtful to her fans!! I am one forever!!!
hollidayevery 1 year ago
Thank you. I bought in Itunes. Is Jean Carne and Jean Carn, the same woman?
journeysolo 1 year ago
@journeysolo Yes, Jean Carne and Jean Carn is the same person...sometimes it accidentally gets spelled differently
hollidayevery 1 year ago
I never knew she was the original. This song should have been played and still be playing. I went to buy it itunes and couldn't.
journeysolo 1 year ago
@journeysolo; Hey, try to download the track from Amazon. Maybe you'll find this version in Audiofile on the site.
BeastModeFireCracker 1 year ago
@kf40 It Keeps The Music Alive, An Yeah It Might Not Be Original.
But Sorry If We Like This Kinda Music.
So Just Because You Have No Creative Ideas Doesn't Mean You Have To hate On It.
That's Like Saying Using Synthesizers Is The Only Way People Should Make Beats.
even Old School Bands Used To Sample.
So Stop Hatin You Fuckin Lame Ass Square...
ezearl 1 year ago
The sense of ethereal magic and the music and vocal style has a somewhat Minnieesque feel to it. Wonderful track. Thanks for posting!
MsUsoul 1 year ago
@kf40 You're entitled to your opinion.I'm also entitled to say you're an idiot.Sampling is bullshit ? Ever heard of Pete Rock,J Dilla,DJ Premier,Kev Brown,9th Wonder,Havoc (from Mobb Deep) or Just Blaze ?
It's how you sample a song and the creativity involved.You wouldn't understand that though.Based on your "comment" I can tell you don't think too deep.I love real R&B music like this but I also love real hip hop (rap in the musical form) that uses sampling in a clever and artful manner.
dubbsway4life 1 year ago
She starts singing at 1:30 if you wanna know.
MasterSir23 1 year ago
@kf40 Stfu!!!! if it wasnt for sampling i wouldnt know alot of the music and artist that i do
HHSmarchingfalcons 1 year ago
I have nothing against sampling as long as a decent record isn't bastardised by a lame annoying track to appeal to the pop world.
maccagrabme 1 year ago
@maccagrabme two wods: miley cyrus
ph0chiz0 1 year ago
I have been looking for this song for over 30 years. Thanks for the post!
purecine 1 year ago
WELL DONE !!!!!........Thanx so much hamishblues....I have not been able to find this album for years!!!!......Absolutely stunning!!!!....Jean Carne is a CLASSIC and I group her w/ legends like Nancy Wilson.......I'm lovin it!!!!
doodl03 1 year ago
interesting - the rights and wrongs of sampling - it is indeed a tricky one. you listen to some of the samples on Amerie's 'Touch' album - specifically the intro to 'Can We Go' absolute daylight robbery of Earth Wind & Wire, from Rich Harrison, yet the tune is brilliant, and so is the whole 'Touch' album.
monumentalemptiness 1 year ago 2
Thank you Hamishblues for posting this song.
May your road be smooth and easy.
Dexter Wansel
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murkserious1600 2 years ago
What an incredible album!!! The whole thing! I have worn out a couple copies of thid LP. I'm probably on my third. Thanks Dexter, Jean and, of course, PIR.
Dancinqueen76 2 years ago
Actually if it wasn't for hip hop ALOT of songs would have never gotten the light of day and would remain unknown b sides of a record that no one has heard of hip hop has done more for those artists than their own labels could've imagined by breathing fresh air into an old idea you know like THE JACKSON 5 doing a cover of a STEVIE WONDER song plus yet i forget to mention sampling started out with people with no access to a studio & band + could not afford 1 even if they did thats perseverance
tracksideprod 2 years ago 3
An R&B masterpiece -- Jean is a class act.
jazzamoureux 2 years ago 2
sampling is not stealing. Sampling is like playing an instrument. If u play a chromatic scale on a saxophone even though others before you have played it is that stealing if u use that scale to create a different song than whatchu started with.
sampling adds to a song like an instrument adds to a song.
smiley77060 2 years ago
There has been a lot of stagnation, creatively speaking, in the music world because technology has made it so that doing a track no longer requires the talent, time and effort to produce. Add to that the ears of most folks are not accustomed to high quality music any longer; nothing against sampling, but where are the true instrumentalists and vocalists that have the gift? Usually pushed out of the opportunities.
earsneyes1 2 years ago 18
@earsneyes1 my sentiments exactly. you put that perfectly. Nice job! ^_^
jinjin45 1 year ago
@earsneyes1: I take it, therefore, that you're currently enjoying hit records and international fame? Or do you disavow success and wealth on principle?
RHutton2710 1 year ago
@RHutton2710 The issue is not making money or enjoying the fruit of success; it's what passes as success these days versus what what passes as success during Jean Carnes' heyday. Everything basically has been put into an easily transposable formula that can cross all genres of music, and make money. But from a quality standpoint, it's poor; that's all I'm saying. That's why the old schoolers are still enjoying mass profits when they go out on tour; Rolling Stones anyone?
earsneyes1 1 year ago
@earsneyes1: true. But we do live in capitalist countries. Without making money, artists can't make great art or music for long. You're right: sometimes that creates listless music; but it also facilitates great, soulful musicians as well. Without TV, radio and Youtube today a lot of artists would be lost in the shadows. Personally, I'm graetful that we get contributors devoting their time for free. Without them I'd never have bought the last fifty records I did.
RHutton2710 11 months ago
@earsneyes1 i'm sampling this record [:
Scathe8000 1 year ago
@smiley77060 Sapling is today's easy way out to make music. Prince, Jimi Hendrix, Stevie W, Michael Jackson, and countless legends DON'T sample. Sampling is sometimes creative but it's NO Where near like CREATING original music. I wish our music would be more original especially R&B.
Ltron9 1 year ago
@Ltron9 But you can create something original from something borrowed or used, like a quilt. It has pieces of fabric from other sources but it still comes out as a work of art when its done. At the same time I agree with you. Composers are few and far between nowadays.
smiley77060 1 year ago
@smiley77060 It's a very thin line between cheating and making a "quit" as you put it. Maybe Rap should use samples and R&B should to be totally original.
Ltron9 1 year ago
I remember buying this album back in the day
jelboysvw 2 years ago
I agree to a degree with your point. Look at what Sampling did for James Brown, Rick James and other greats. I just see it a lil Different in the sense that these same younger people will get older and revisit. Great music would be there for those who lived and experienced it when it was popular but new Generations will have new tastes and a different feel for music. One of the more positive aspects of sampling is bridging that same gap you spoke of earlier.
noraved7 2 years ago
this song was sampled by AZ
taylor4660 2 years ago
Surely you're not suggesting that younger people would never have become aware of James Brown, Rick James and others had their music not been "sampled"? If that were actually the case, I'd say that it reflects very badly on young people's interest in music, let alone their own rich cultural history.
drwhatson 2 years ago
The generation gap;
Older fans cherish her recordings and seek out any they might have missed.
Meanwhile, the best "tribute" the youth can come up with is to "sample" them and f**k them up completely by rapping over them!
Thanks for nothing guys!
drwhatson 2 years ago
Wow. To bad you cant appreciate the purpose of sampling. Some of this music would be lost forever. I am a vocalist and pianist but I understand the purpose of sampling and how to connect to the youth.... if you have a better way of introducing great music do it but dont hate on what has come out of the Era of Disco, Coke and Music being pulled from the Schools.
noraved7 2 years ago
This music would certainly NOT be "lost forever" without sampling (What utter rubbish!) I have turned on many, many younger people to great tracks without ripping off the song for my own benefit! These records are hardly "obscure" even now - except to folk who frankly, just can't be bothered to look.
Sadly reading some Youtube comments, many of "the youth" seem to search out new tracks soley for the "breaks" and to "murder" them (as young DJ one put it) with little regard for the music itself.
drwhatson 2 years ago
do you see what honor people bring to these great artists by sampling them? - quit knockin people for sampling alot of good things have came out of it - since it seems like u dont like hip hop you probably dont know the song "Song Cry" - credit from that sample helped out a failing inner city youth music program - people like Gamble and Huff have said on plenty occasions that they love the fact people sample them and look at as a tribute instead of talentless hacks
bigshottyshot 2 years ago
Honour among thieves more like! There are PLENTY of talentless hacks around, FAR MORE than those tiny few who sample music creatively. What really annoys me is the ridiculous kudos given to their obvious second-rate efforts. Gamble & Huff can afford to be generous with their praise. Many lesser known artists can't, and if the youth haven't even heard the songs of Gamble & Huff's without them first being "sampled", then we're in a very sorry state indeed!
drwhatson 2 years ago
like i said theres been a multitude of great artists from times past who didnt get the recognition they deserved THEN and now are getting it through sampling - many of these artists were in financial crisis from their own doing or not who have been helped tremendously through sample credits - and sampling aint just hip hop people of all different music genres have been taking pieces of music and making them their own
bigshottyshot 2 years ago
one modern example is Hans Zimmers work on Gladiator theres a piece reminiscent to Richard Wager created for Der Ring des Nibelungen - trust me this has been goin on for thousands of years and its not thievery when your doing business with the people - now not giving credit is deplorable and unacceptable - but music has been goin on for thousands of years this song here couldve been "stolen" in your words without them knowing - no music is original most likely its already been done before
bigshottyshot 2 years ago
oh yeah somethin else just hit me - what about artists recreating popular songs like When A Man Loves a Woman is that stealing 2? just because they are singin and already created song? or that applys just to hip hop right? - you'd be surprised on how many kids are into these songs and can tell you where they got it from because they grew up in a house like I did full of different kinds of music
bigshottyshot 2 years ago
Well you mention "covering" a well known song. I'd say yes, it IS dishonourable when the "cover" is done quickly, in order to deprive the original artist of a hit (and there are many examples of that, particularly in the 50s and 60s) It still goes on today to some extent, when a well-known artist...
drwhatson 2 years ago
...(Simply Red) "covers" a song by lesser known (and less well funded) artists like the Valentine Bros. Neither act were particularly well known at the time, but try asking kids today who sang "Money's Too Tight To Mention"? I see sampling in the same light. It will only be truly "fair" when the ORIGINAL performer gets at least as much out of it as those who sample the tune, and in cases where the performer didn't WRITE the song, they usually get little out of it.
drwhatson 2 years ago
well it goes back to my point - if they get their credit and some money its all good - and if the people who sung it didnt write the song thats their bad luck - especially if they didnt read their contract in the beginning before selling their soul to a record label - its a cruel world out there and they shouldve defended themself from the wolves - ive been fucked out of record sales - people have stolen my work but i dont feel bitter about it I learned from it
bigshottyshot 2 years ago
and to be honest i cant wait for people to sample my stuff because thats when u know you change peoples life with your music - as musicians we get in this game with that intention in the first place - and to have your song be popular again after 30-40-50 years is amazing and to hear what some people can do with it is incredible - people who never heard your original song will always look it back it up because of that sample and your song is reborn
bigshottyshot 2 years ago
"..and if the people who sung it didnt write the song thats their bad luck.."
"...shouldve defended themself from the wolves"
The biggest "pack of wolves" are actually those "musicians" who steal samples like magpies with NO regard for anything other than making money for themselves. What's more I maintain that YouTube is probably doing MORE to spread awareness of the original recordings than hip-hop will ever do. One only has to read YouTube comments by some younger people to see that.
drwhatson 2 years ago
there is something called art im sure you heard of it and people who sample dont do it to just steal it - they admire it - they honor it - and answer this question if Kids were to get on Youtube that had no idea who Jean Carn or Eddie Kendricks or any of the great soul singers were how would they know who to look up? trust me a kid picks up a cd and looks at the credits they will know who it is if they never heard it
bigshottyshot 2 years ago
I agree witchu on all ur statements. If u look in the Bible in Psalms some of them if u read under the title it will say "Set to _____". Meaning King David and the other psalmists sampled as well.
smiley77060 2 years ago
Jean Carne was the coldest!! Dexter Wansel and Al Johnson made magic with her. If you're not hip to Dexter and Jean checkout Sweetest Pain. No modern day music compares to the classic manners of past musicians. Jean Carne... UNSUNG!!!! I agree
FIGHT FOR THE RIGHT TO SUPPORT TRUE MUSIC!!
meaneedread 2 years ago
I still have the vinyl........if it could only talk...
There's NOBODY out there that possesses JC's rare vocal finesse....What? Mariah?...PA-LEASE...Mariah sounds like a shrieking bat compared to JC....
Jean Carne............UNSUNG !!!!
peace
btinsley1 2 years ago
Can't believe Dexter wrote this.....
He is a legend !
1981timur 2 years ago
loads of people have sampled this, myself included....
Lovely tune...
1981timur 2 years ago
consider this sampled!
tryingdelasoul 3 years ago
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already sampled by me
DJJrocofficial 3 years ago
....was sampled by Amerie "All I Need"
blacknuyorican 3 years ago 15
jean carn...man oh man...this is a quiet storm jam!!!
jayluvin76 3 years ago
I am captivated by the intro, brilliant production. Jean should've been as big as Patti, Chaka, Gladys; why?
Seetdeh 3 years ago 5
As far as technique goes, there are few that can match her. But like so many artists today that don't get their due, marketing, management and material play the major roles as to why they don't succeed. A prime example is Beyonce versus Jennifer Hudson; Jennifer Hudson flat blows away Beyonce vocally, yet Beyonce is far and away more popular.
earsneyes1 2 years ago
Tru dat...
I have honestly never heard of this woman until now...WHICH IS A SHAME..
She is amazing, consider this song DOWNLOADED SOON BY ME!
Nina513 2 years ago
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btinsley1 3 years ago
AMAZING SONG. This track is soooo lush and of course she is vocally enchanting!. wonderful an eargasm
dwayneny 3 years ago