Great video! Everyone in New Hampshire should watch it. Be sure to follow the link above to the pledge site and check out the rest of the Standing Up For New Hampshire Families website, too.
This campaign means all the more because it comes from heterosexual Republicans—the very people ant-marriage-equality people assume they have in their back pocked. Thanks Craig!
There is a change.org petition online to keep gay marriage in NH. I hope that it can get some more signatures. I don't think that I can post a link though. :(
Same sex "marriage" denies the fundamental right of children to a Father and a Mother, to their own biological siblings, to their own history and identity. Violating that right is a crime against humanity. It takes away the most fundamental freedom of the weakest among us. It is similar to slavery where women are considered as sperm incubators and children are sold to the highest bidder in the market place. Same sex " Nuptials" does not protect freedom. That is a great lie!
Thank you for making this video, it's nice to know that people care. I'm so used to seeing anti-gay ads that I thought this would be another hateful video telling people to break up my marriage. Nobody should even be able to vote to take away equal rights from a minority of any kind.
Do we get a chance to vote or is it out of our hands?
Hillary Clinton, a straight woman, recently addressed the United Nations about LGBT rights. She was well into her history making speech before it became clear she was talking about us, cogently awakening UN representatives to the crisis of our humanity.
Had a gay man stood up there and made the same speech, it would have been heard through a mental filter in the closed minds of anti-gay politicians and fallen on deaf ears.
This is not to argue against visibility, but merely to accept reality.
@5random1 The "don't show the gays" strategy has failed in each and every ballot initiative about marriage equality. It is BECAUSE "many people do NOT know a gay couple or a single person who is gay" that actual gay people should indeed be allowed to testify on their own behalf about the harm of legal inequality to their families.
Fucking conservative trailer trash republicans! you call us dumb liberals? You wanna abolish the e.p.a? you think the keystone deal will benefit you?you still believe in a fucking space zombie? you think gay people are an abomination? all of these motherfuckers should be rounded up and sent to texas to go live in their own little oil spilled land!
Thanks to all those who participated in making this vid. We were marrined in NH (In Lebanon under covered Bridge #67 :) ) - It was #2 of our 8 wedding marriage tour, where we tied the knot in every jurisdiction in the US where SS Marriage is legal! Don't let the politicians control YOU NH - you, the people, control them. Campaign against their repeal by getting that 60% who support it to call, write and email the state capitol until they scream uncle!
Seems like the "hide the gays" strategy hasn't worked out so well in other state campaigns to win over or protect same-sex civil marriage rights. Ignore the naysayers and the absurd polling. If gay people hope to win the argument for full state and federal equality, we must insist we be not only be heard but also visible when the argument is being made to voters.
It's a great first video, but you CANNOT do what we did in California and let the anti-gay activists frame the debate as "gay people promoting homosexuality in schools." They will roll out that same discredited, but effective, argument in NH. You have to hit first. How about a video saying that if marriage equality is not protected, school children will be taught that anti-gay bullying and hate crimes are acceptable. Then show anti-gay groups supporting that idea. Very easy to find.
@weshlovrcm The whole "they're going to teach 'it' in schools" meme is ridiculous but people buy it, time and time again. I think you bring up a good point. Get the message out that if marriage equality isn't protected that it will increase anti-gay bullying in schools! It drives me crazy when I see the evangelical "christians" saying that anti-gay bullying is just a way for us to pick on them. "Elijah can't condemn The Gays!" The bible says god hates gays so their kids should be able to!
This is exactly the type of ad run during Prop 8. No visible gay people just sweet old white people talking about them. We all know how Prop 8 ended. We can't let the other side paint the picture of gays as big old child eating demons in the closet. This type of ad does not work. Sorry.
@blueyc2 I don't see the point in condemning the people who made this video for the fact that gay people haven't also made a video. At least they made the effort.
If there are no LGBT people making one, why don't you make one, instead of whining about straight allies who actually appear to care more about our rights than you do?
Without straight support we're doomed anyway. In case you hadn't noticed we're a minority
@DerekWilliamsMusic I am not condemning anyone nor did I say anything to suggest that we don't need straight allies. I am simply point out the FACT that this type of ad DID NOT WORK in Cali when they were aired here. If you always do what you always did, you always get what you always got.
@DerekWilliamsMusic Do you think it is unreasonable for people who donate a lot of money to campaigns such as this one to expect a quality ad that works? I am not the one that makes these ads, but I sure am the one to financially support them. And I really don't think it is unreasonable to expect them to do more research on what works and what does not. Where is YOUR ad music man? Put YOUR money where your mouth is.
@blueyc2 Having a CapsLock doesn't make you right. There's a huge demographic out there who are utterly repulsed by the very idea of people being gay, who'll switch the channel if a gay person appears, and certainly don't listen. This is why it can be more effective to have straight allies speaking up.
For all we know, the failure of previous attempts may have been even bigger without straight support, and may be also due to other factors such as superior funding and wider coverage.
@DerekWilliamsMusic right...they are repulsed because we have allowed others to paint a picture of us as big scary demons in the closet. If those that are repulsed saw that we in fact look and act just like they look and act, perhaps they would change their minds. And a loss is a loss whether it is one vote or a million votes. Ads that don't work are not money well spent.
@blueyc2 I am interested to know how you established that ads do or don't work, both in general, and specifically in this case. Do you have stats, or is this just your gut feeling?
So far as LGBT looking and acting like straight people is concerned I'm afraid this is not always true. There are some very effeminate men out there who are targets for the most violent attacks imaginable.
I'm not against speaking up for ourselves but I am against attacking straight people who want to help.
@DerekWilliamsMusic this type of ad and similar where the only types of ads run by the various No on 8 organizations. We lost. We lost big. And I am not seeking to demean anyone. I am simply pointing out that this approach didn't work in Cali or any of the other 30 states it was used in for that matter. What make you think it will suddenly start working now in NH?
@blueyc2 I am sorry you are so offended to hear that this didn't work before and its not going to work now. I appreciate their effort, but really they should have done more research on what does and doesn't get peoples attention. The other side screaming we are coming for their school kids has worked. Every. Single. Time.
@blueyc2 The other side is far better funded than we are, and they have centuries of tradition and a bad economy to help scapegoating us.
As a young person, I lived in New Zealand where many unsuccessful attempts were made at homosexual law reform, including a 1 million strong petition against it, yet by 1985 we still prevailed. We had no TV ads to help us, we had to do it the hard way.
It's nice to have other people doing things for us, but first and foremost, good citizenship wins.
@blueyc2 A single ad or even a slew of them can't work alone - grass roots activism is needed all over the place. There may very well be more effective ways to deal with the issue than these simple video ads, but attacking the efforts of straight supporters already out there just puts a bad taste in their mouths, and they're entitled to ask "why bother?"
Without proper stats, how do you know for sure that these types of ads did not work? Prop 8 may have been a landslide without them.
@DerekWilliamsMusic When the other side starts screaming that the big bad homosexual is coming for your school children, these sweet old folks will hardly seem well equipped to save your kids from the gay agenda.
@blueyc2 The "sweet old folks" you seek to demean represent the demographic most opposed to LGBT rights. Some will never listen to a gay person speaking, but may think twice when one of their own number, with nothing to gain from doing so, speaks out.
Anyway, apart from the opposite sex couple featured, what evidence do you have from watching it that everyone in this video is straight?
So far as the "big bad homosexual" is concerned, did Jeffrey Dahmer look like a cannibal to you?
@DerekWilliamsMusic Who made you the defender of this video? I just asked a simple question - why are there no gay people? I appreciate any and all support but without any gay people in the video it looks as though there's something wrong with us. That we should not be seen. I think it would have been EVEN MORE effective if there'd been a non-threatening looking gay couple, or a family with two gay parents and children. It would have ADDED to an already great effort.
@suvariboy Nobody "made me the defender of this video", and I didn't realise I needed your permission to comment on YouTube.
I never once said gay people should no be speaking on our own behalf. I simply did not see anything to be gained by attacking something that's already out there, especially when the effort is made by straight people who have not a single thing to gain out of it other than their sense of the rightness of things.
@suvariboy Nobody "made me the defender of this video", and I didn't realise I needed your permission to comment on YouTube.
I never once said gay people should not be speaking on our own behalf. I simply did not see anything to be gained by attacking the efforts of straight people who have not a single thing to gain out of it other than their sense of the rightness of things.
I'm sure constructive feedback will be noted and more representative videos will be attempted in future.
@suvariboy Well i am straight and i support ss marriage but yeah, i guess adding a gay couple would have been better but then again, not necessary i would say.
@fitasafiddle123 I appreciate your support but perhaps it's because I'm gay but, IMHO, I think it would have added to this video if there'd been a happy gay family - say, two dads or moms with their kids - for the world to see. I find it hard to believe but there are lots of people in the U.S. who've never even met a family like that. Someone earlier commented that they Prop 8 commercials made by the opponents of the bill did the same thing. No gay people. Seemed like they were ashamed.
Uh... thats an odd opinion. Homosexuals aren't trying to appeal to homosexuals in these types of cases, where our rights are going to be on the ballot. Straight people are the majority, and if they view us as evil do you think seeing 2 dads in AD is going to make them change their mind? No, it'll be straight men and woman. When they see others accepting us they may rethink their views. The ad is much more effective showing what people view as "traditional" families.
@fitasafiddle123 Having gay couples might be nice for inclusiveness, but people on the right would see ti as self serving and biased. No shit that gay people would be behind this. While the inclusiveness would be nice, it might make the ad less effective among people on the fence with the same sex marriage issue.
It's bullshit that this would be an issue, but it is, and I want to see effective ads over inclusive ones, at least at this point in the fight.
Awesome commercial, and I love you old lady! The attitude you portray towards those who want to repeal same sex marriage is wonderful!
RobertMfromLI 1 month ago
Great video! Everyone in New Hampshire should watch it. Be sure to follow the link above to the pledge site and check out the rest of the Standing Up For New Hampshire Families website, too.
RCSVirginia 1 month ago
This campaign means all the more because it comes from heterosexual Republicans—the very people ant-marriage-equality people assume they have in their back pocked. Thanks Craig!
TheDaverydc 1 month ago
New England nice and progressive. Republicans AND Democrats agreeing that fighting over people's right to marry is so ridiculous.
ksmurfer 1 month ago
There is a change.org petition online to keep gay marriage in NH. I hope that it can get some more signatures. I don't think that I can post a link though. :(
tiffanyhoyt1989 1 month ago
All I got from this is "White people yes, Black and brown people no".
NH is a very racist state, check the news, this video is a huge fail.
screwface1011 1 month ago
Right on, Maxine!!!!
judycadana 1 month ago
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Same sex "marriage" denies the fundamental right of children to a Father and a Mother, to their own biological siblings, to their own history and identity. Violating that right is a crime against humanity. It takes away the most fundamental freedom of the weakest among us. It is similar to slavery where women are considered as sperm incubators and children are sold to the highest bidder in the market place. Same sex " Nuptials" does not protect freedom. That is a great lie!
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equalitymichigan 1 month ago
Awesome. If only everyone realised that it's this simple. Let people live their lives; don't use government to take away freedom.
rivenrock 1 month ago
Thank you for making this video, it's nice to know that people care. I'm so used to seeing anti-gay ads that I thought this would be another hateful video telling people to break up my marriage. Nobody should even be able to vote to take away equal rights from a minority of any kind.
Do we get a chance to vote or is it out of our hands?
tiffanyhoyt1989 1 month ago
Hillary Clinton, a straight woman, recently addressed the United Nations about LGBT rights. She was well into her history making speech before it became clear she was talking about us, cogently awakening UN representatives to the crisis of our humanity.
Had a gay man stood up there and made the same speech, it would have been heard through a mental filter in the closed minds of anti-gay politicians and fallen on deaf ears.
This is not to argue against visibility, but merely to accept reality.
DerekWilliamsMusic 1 month ago
I thought this was against gay marriage on my first viewing. Shows how effective this is in getting it's message across I suppose.
elrobotbastard 2 months ago
I don't understand why they did not use a same sex married couple. That just does not make sense to me.
chazharless 2 months ago
@5random1 The "don't show the gays" strategy has failed in each and every ballot initiative about marriage equality. It is BECAUSE "many people do NOT know a gay couple or a single person who is gay" that actual gay people should indeed be allowed to testify on their own behalf about the harm of legal inequality to their families.
patrickometry 2 months ago
WHY are they messing with it?
NobodysOffTheHook 2 months ago
I have friends from New Hampshire and this is exactly why I love them so much. "Live free or Die" means something to this people's hearts.
usorthem3 2 months ago 2
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Fucking conservative trailer trash republicans! you call us dumb liberals? You wanna abolish the e.p.a? you think the keystone deal will benefit you?you still believe in a fucking space zombie? you think gay people are an abomination? all of these motherfuckers should be rounded up and sent to texas to go live in their own little oil spilled land!
internetzculture 2 months ago
Thanks to all those who participated in making this vid. We were marrined in NH (In Lebanon under covered Bridge #67 :) ) - It was #2 of our 8 wedding marriage tour, where we tied the knot in every jurisdiction in the US where SS Marriage is legal! Don't let the politicians control YOU NH - you, the people, control them. Campaign against their repeal by getting that 60% who support it to call, write and email the state capitol until they scream uncle!
patnstephen2 2 months ago
I wish my state felt this way...
ZomGKiwI 2 months ago
@ZomGKiwI I wish mine did too.
Whiteboymdew 2 months ago
Seems like the "hide the gays" strategy hasn't worked out so well in other state campaigns to win over or protect same-sex civil marriage rights. Ignore the naysayers and the absurd polling. If gay people hope to win the argument for full state and federal equality, we must insist we be not only be heard but also visible when the argument is being made to voters.
patrickometry 2 months ago
It's a great first video, but you CANNOT do what we did in California and let the anti-gay activists frame the debate as "gay people promoting homosexuality in schools." They will roll out that same discredited, but effective, argument in NH. You have to hit first. How about a video saying that if marriage equality is not protected, school children will be taught that anti-gay bullying and hate crimes are acceptable. Then show anti-gay groups supporting that idea. Very easy to find.
weshlovrcm 2 months ago
@weshlovrcm The whole "they're going to teach 'it' in schools" meme is ridiculous but people buy it, time and time again. I think you bring up a good point. Get the message out that if marriage equality isn't protected that it will increase anti-gay bullying in schools! It drives me crazy when I see the evangelical "christians" saying that anti-gay bullying is just a way for us to pick on them. "Elijah can't condemn The Gays!" The bible says god hates gays so their kids should be able to!
suvariboy 2 months ago
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cb50dc 2 months ago
Thank you so much to the makers of this video for your trouble. It is greatly appreciated, and every voice helps us travel the long road to equality.
DerekWilliamsMusic 2 months ago 29
This is exactly the type of ad run during Prop 8. No visible gay people just sweet old white people talking about them. We all know how Prop 8 ended. We can't let the other side paint the picture of gays as big old child eating demons in the closet. This type of ad does not work. Sorry.
blueyc2 2 months ago
@blueyc2 I don't see the point in condemning the people who made this video for the fact that gay people haven't also made a video. At least they made the effort.
If there are no LGBT people making one, why don't you make one, instead of whining about straight allies who actually appear to care more about our rights than you do?
Without straight support we're doomed anyway. In case you hadn't noticed we're a minority
DerekWilliamsMusic 2 months ago
@DerekWilliamsMusic I am not condemning anyone nor did I say anything to suggest that we don't need straight allies. I am simply point out the FACT that this type of ad DID NOT WORK in Cali when they were aired here. If you always do what you always did, you always get what you always got.
blueyc2 2 months ago
@blueyc2 So go make one then, and victory will be ours. So looking forward to the result.
DerekWilliamsMusic 2 months ago
@DerekWilliamsMusic Do you think it is unreasonable for people who donate a lot of money to campaigns such as this one to expect a quality ad that works? I am not the one that makes these ads, but I sure am the one to financially support them. And I really don't think it is unreasonable to expect them to do more research on what works and what does not. Where is YOUR ad music man? Put YOUR money where your mouth is.
blueyc2 2 months ago
@blueyc2 Having a CapsLock doesn't make you right. There's a huge demographic out there who are utterly repulsed by the very idea of people being gay, who'll switch the channel if a gay person appears, and certainly don't listen. This is why it can be more effective to have straight allies speaking up.
For all we know, the failure of previous attempts may have been even bigger without straight support, and may be also due to other factors such as superior funding and wider coverage.
DerekWilliamsMusic 2 months ago
@DerekWilliamsMusic right...they are repulsed because we have allowed others to paint a picture of us as big scary demons in the closet. If those that are repulsed saw that we in fact look and act just like they look and act, perhaps they would change their minds. And a loss is a loss whether it is one vote or a million votes. Ads that don't work are not money well spent.
blueyc2 2 months ago
@blueyc2 I am interested to know how you established that ads do or don't work, both in general, and specifically in this case. Do you have stats, or is this just your gut feeling?
So far as LGBT looking and acting like straight people is concerned I'm afraid this is not always true. There are some very effeminate men out there who are targets for the most violent attacks imaginable.
I'm not against speaking up for ourselves but I am against attacking straight people who want to help.
DerekWilliamsMusic 2 months ago
@DerekWilliamsMusic this type of ad and similar where the only types of ads run by the various No on 8 organizations. We lost. We lost big. And I am not seeking to demean anyone. I am simply pointing out that this approach didn't work in Cali or any of the other 30 states it was used in for that matter. What make you think it will suddenly start working now in NH?
blueyc2 2 months ago
@blueyc2 I am sorry you are so offended to hear that this didn't work before and its not going to work now. I appreciate their effort, but really they should have done more research on what does and doesn't get peoples attention. The other side screaming we are coming for their school kids has worked. Every. Single. Time.
blueyc2 2 months ago
@blueyc2 The other side is far better funded than we are, and they have centuries of tradition and a bad economy to help scapegoating us.
As a young person, I lived in New Zealand where many unsuccessful attempts were made at homosexual law reform, including a 1 million strong petition against it, yet by 1985 we still prevailed. We had no TV ads to help us, we had to do it the hard way.
It's nice to have other people doing things for us, but first and foremost, good citizenship wins.
DerekWilliamsMusic 2 months ago
@blueyc2 A single ad or even a slew of them can't work alone - grass roots activism is needed all over the place. There may very well be more effective ways to deal with the issue than these simple video ads, but attacking the efforts of straight supporters already out there just puts a bad taste in their mouths, and they're entitled to ask "why bother?"
Without proper stats, how do you know for sure that these types of ads did not work? Prop 8 may have been a landslide without them.
DerekWilliamsMusic 2 months ago
@DerekWilliamsMusic When the other side starts screaming that the big bad homosexual is coming for your school children, these sweet old folks will hardly seem well equipped to save your kids from the gay agenda.
blueyc2 2 months ago
@blueyc2 The "sweet old folks" you seek to demean represent the demographic most opposed to LGBT rights. Some will never listen to a gay person speaking, but may think twice when one of their own number, with nothing to gain from doing so, speaks out.
Anyway, apart from the opposite sex couple featured, what evidence do you have from watching it that everyone in this video is straight?
So far as the "big bad homosexual" is concerned, did Jeffrey Dahmer look like a cannibal to you?
DerekWilliamsMusic 2 months ago
Great sentiment but why are there no visibly gay people in this?
suvariboy 2 months ago
@suvariboy Same answer as I gave blueyc2 above - go make one yourself if it bothers you to have straight people on our side.
DerekWilliamsMusic 2 months ago
@DerekWilliamsMusic Who made you the defender of this video? I just asked a simple question - why are there no gay people? I appreciate any and all support but without any gay people in the video it looks as though there's something wrong with us. That we should not be seen. I think it would have been EVEN MORE effective if there'd been a non-threatening looking gay couple, or a family with two gay parents and children. It would have ADDED to an already great effort.
No need to respond.
suvariboy 2 months ago
@suvariboy Nobody "made me the defender of this video", and I didn't realise I needed your permission to comment on YouTube.
I never once said gay people should no be speaking on our own behalf. I simply did not see anything to be gained by attacking something that's already out there, especially when the effort is made by straight people who have not a single thing to gain out of it other than their sense of the rightness of things.
I'm sure constructive feedback will be noted.
DerekWilliamsMusic 2 months ago
@suvariboy Nobody "made me the defender of this video", and I didn't realise I needed your permission to comment on YouTube.
I never once said gay people should not be speaking on our own behalf. I simply did not see anything to be gained by attacking the efforts of straight people who have not a single thing to gain out of it other than their sense of the rightness of things.
I'm sure constructive feedback will be noted and more representative videos will be attempted in future.
DerekWilliamsMusic 2 months ago
@suvariboy Well i am straight and i support ss marriage but yeah, i guess adding a gay couple would have been better but then again, not necessary i would say.
fitasafiddle123 2 months ago 11
@fitasafiddle123 I appreciate your support but perhaps it's because I'm gay but, IMHO, I think it would have added to this video if there'd been a happy gay family - say, two dads or moms with their kids - for the world to see. I find it hard to believe but there are lots of people in the U.S. who've never even met a family like that. Someone earlier commented that they Prop 8 commercials made by the opponents of the bill did the same thing. No gay people. Seemed like they were ashamed.
suvariboy 2 months ago
@suvariboy
Uh... thats an odd opinion. Homosexuals aren't trying to appeal to homosexuals in these types of cases, where our rights are going to be on the ballot. Straight people are the majority, and if they view us as evil do you think seeing 2 dads in AD is going to make them change their mind? No, it'll be straight men and woman. When they see others accepting us they may rethink their views. The ad is much more effective showing what people view as "traditional" families.
KJVpreacher4christ 2 months ago 2
@fitasafiddle123 Having gay couples might be nice for inclusiveness, but people on the right would see ti as self serving and biased. No shit that gay people would be behind this. While the inclusiveness would be nice, it might make the ad less effective among people on the fence with the same sex marriage issue.
It's bullshit that this would be an issue, but it is, and I want to see effective ads over inclusive ones, at least at this point in the fight.
ctraver 1 month ago
That was lovely! Very succinctly underscores what *everybody* wants: to be able to live their lives free of unwarranted interference.
justinlwerner 2 months ago