I immediately saw through DawahFilms' empty statements about him just wanting to speak out against Tf00t's "call for genocide" against innocent Muslims.
Instead of supporting Tf00t, he decided to lash out on him for speaking against death threats aimed at South Park creators.
That should have been obvious from the get go, but apparently, you needed to clear things out for those Tf00t's flip-flop "supporters" who moan about Tf00t becoming "militant and radical atheist". Lamers...
@Saukko31 I didn't know the quote either. Still, I understood what Thunderf00t was saying though. The original metaphor is quite obvious, whether you have heard it or not.
The only thing this history lesson reminded me of was the fact that the civilian death toll in iraq is estimatd to be more than double the death toll in hiroshima and nagasaki combined, this "monster" has been awake for the past decade and its begining to grow weary
You people are all wrong. Dawafilms is and never has been a moderate muslim. You people think that a moderate muslim is a guy totally into islam but has no plans of killing you in sucide-bomb attack. That is stupid.
a REAL moderate muslim is a guy or girl who uses youtube to upload videoes about sports, video-games or just having fun. A moderate muslim dosent talk about islam.
Dawahfilms is a radical muslim - he just isnt violent. Try studying Hizb-ut-tahrir or the muslim brotherhood.
@StrapOnDildoSexRulez A moderate is someone who doesn't try to shove his or her faith/convictions down your throat. In this case: I think Ali wants to discuss worldly issues from a muslim's perspective, and combat atheism with logic, in the same way an atheist combats religion. An extremist is someone that doesn't take "No" for an answer.
@aManApathetic Muslims are a minority in most parts of the Western world. Minorities always feel threatened. With these offensive cartoons, they feel agitated and shunned out. Atheism is considered a foreign force. Foreign forces aren't viewed in a good light. Yes, they feel threatened. In Africa, people feel threatened by homosexuality, because it's a "Western ideal" used as a tool to "destroy" their values and post-colonial recuperation.
@erinra This doesn't really help clarify Muslim attitudes to me, I was kind of hoping my prejudices would be challenged, not affirmed. Instead you're telling me Muslims are jingoistic, homophobic and intolerant to criticism.
@aManApathetic Then you really don't get it. Where do prejudices come from? They're based on reality. Distorted by fear. This goes for both sides.
Just because Africans are homophobic doesn't mean they're bad people. You have to look to their nations' cultures, aspirations, regrets and fears to understand. The same can be applied to Muslims, Russians, the Chinese etc., people generally viewed in a bad light in the Western world.
@erinra Not all prejudices are equal. What atheists have to fear from religion is tangible, what religious people have to fear from atheists is what they invent and this is demonstrably true. Often what is deemed 'islamaphobia' is attributed to atheists in the west when it's more aptly fitting to other religious groups, namely christians. There is no 'both sides' because there is no 'us and them'. Criticism is only a threat to people that interpret it as 'combat'.
@aManApathetic Foreigners think like this: Islamophobia = foreign. Atheism = foreign. Islamophobia = atheism. In any case, I don't actually believe they care about atheism that much. There's 'us' and there's 'them'. 'They' are the infidels, against Islam, against their freedom, regardless of religion.
@erinra At the root of it I think I was objecting to your suggestion that Ali(DawahFilms) is not an extremist but a moderate and I did this by wanting to point out that how Ali and seemingly most Muslims to my mind do not approach atheism the same way as atheists approach religion.
@aManApathetic You could've mentioned Ali from the start, I'm a little dense. :) I think he does approach atheism critically, or at least as critically as a religious person can. His views aren't particularly extremist, e.g. an atheist could share his stance on free speech, and he doesn't try to prove his theses through religious dogma. Instead he applies critical thinking. Is criticising atheism equal to extremism?
@erinra In principle no, but my argument is that the content and motivation for that criticism is different. The motivation is less sincere and this is reflected in the content. Historical examples of religions being suppressed are common, but seem to gloss over that most religions are suppressed by other religions and whilst atheists have suppressed religions; they have no done so because they were atheists. Secularism means 'without respect to religion' not 'anti-religion'.
Even up until now Dawah hasn't wasted a single word to condemning the death threats agains the creators of southpark which is simply.....a telltale sign of his mindset.
@barefootedwanderer Who gave you the numbers you use today? If it wasnt for muslims you would still use those hideous Latin numbers and would be unable to make any progress in math. And it was the muslims who first strarted using the scientific method. Google Averroes.
@IC1101 Averroes was drawing on ancient Greek philosophy...not on the koran...and he is not much liked by the "Islamic orthodoxy", even today.. I do not deny the cross-fertilization between all cultures around the Mediterranean or the inflence of people of Muslim faith on modern scientific thinking..but, as is true concerning Christians, they made this contributions mainly in spite of or even against ideas based purely on "faith"...
@IC1101 Once upon a time, the Islamic world was the most advanced culture. Once upon a time, the Western world was an intellectual backwater. Things change, however. Some cultures have progressed, some have regressed. To which culture will stake your lot, IC1101?
You're missing the point. No-one is denying that the Moors and Ottomans were advanced for a time. But that time was when they were not Muslim, or had not been for long enough for the religion to have its demonstrable effect - retarding the social and technological development of a society.
Oh, and Islam is not a "race". Do not play the race card.
@erinra Yes they do. Your point? Just because one religious group plays the race card does not mean it's ok for them to do so, nor for others to follow suit.
@TechnomancerMorhion If one religious group does so, and this is (more than) socially acceptable, then one shouldn't criticise other "ethnic" religious groups for doing the same, without criticising the practice in general. Otherwise you're at risk of accusing someone unjustly, i.e. for doing something socially acceptable within the norms of society, while giving others the false impression that they're doing something that wouldn't occur among themselves, the accusers. Feel free to disagree.
@erinra It's tantamount to lying. I can't speak for others obviously, but for myself, declaring someone "racist" when they criticize a religion is just an admission that either 1. the one using the term "racist" has no idea what it actually entails. Or 2. they lack any sort of counter argument against criticism and thus use a term associated in modern times with intolerance and negativity in order to throw attention away from the fact they lack an argument.
@TechnomancerMorhion Or 3. they're using a term heavily associated with intolerance and negativity in order to convey their sentiments in one simple word, that has no counterpart in their case.
My sum-up: If you criticise Muslims, then indirectly criticise Jews as well, by criticising the practice, not the practitioner.
@TechnomancerMorhion "Bigot" can be debated. Let's be honest, no word is as concise as "racist". While the use of the word in this sense is technically wrong, it is commonly used by many when Jews and/or Muslims are the minority, so to accuse him of using the "race card" and using it unfairly was uncalled for, I think. In contrast, the term "antisemitism" can technically be used for both Muslims and Jews, but it has traditionally never been used in this sense.
@erinra: Do Persians count as Semites? I'm genuinely unsure. I know that technically, Christians who live in the Arab world or Israel are Semites, too.
@InfernalApocalypse I'm not sure either. Traditionally, Semitic has been used to describe a language family in which Persian is not included; Persian is an Indo-European language. The "Semitic race" is a fuzzy concept; its meaning depends on your agenda. Do we have an ethnology expert here on Yt? x)
@MrCommentingisfun You didn't mention Judaism at all. Could mean, a) you're against the use of "race" to distinguish between religions (which includes b), or b) you're against the use of "race" by Muslims to identify themselves. When (b) I ask: What about Jews? When you specify it's (a) you meant, I go: Couldn't you've said that from the beginning, so we could've skipped this whole convo, and avoided further confusion? (Continued)
@erinra I didn't mention Judiasm because it has nothing to do with the comment I was replying to.
My comment was in general terms, and I did not specify Islam, though I think that Islam tries harder to blur the race/religion line than most other faiths (Trying to get anti-blasphemy laws through the UN on grounds of "hate speech" for example)
@MrCommentingisfun I actually see no problem with religions claiming race. Race is a mostly sociological concept anyway, isn't that what the scientists always say? ;)
@erinra The issue is that a race of people cannot be judged according to their race.
This isn't the case with religion. If your holy book tells you to kill non-believers, apostates and gays, and you say you believe that book and follow its edicts, I have every right to make a judgement call based on that.
Moreso with Islam than with many other faiths, as it purports to instruct every aspect of one's life. If you take it seriously, you will be "too Muslim to be anything else"
@MrCommentingisfun (2) Not to say that you should mention Jews in every comment you make, just make a universal statement against the practice, if it is the practice you're against, and not a specified group's use of it. So the dense people here on Yt don't misunderstand. Dense people can be destructive.
Just my advice, you don't have to take it to practice if you don't want to.
I'm glad someone made a video about this. I was amazed how many people had no recollection of the first time the "sleeping giant" analogy was made. I desperately wanted to re-but, but all I could do was make a few paltry comments on peoples pages, but I was WELL AWARE of where the "sleeping giant" analogy came from.
I like how TF comment's "Glad someone got it," lol. There have been many valid criticisms laid at TF's doorstep, many by long time subscribers of which he has chosen to ignore. This video here address maybe 2% of the original video and if that's "getting it" then maybe TF should've just edited his video down to the one WWII quote.
@DiwataMan Maybe it's because despite spending almost the entire video condemning violence, all his critics focus on is his recital of the 'sleeping giant' quote. They've gone out of their way to distort whilst accusing others of doing so.
you fail and so do thunderf00t...because Japan is a nation, and Japanese live in single nation, at a specific location. Islam is a religion, and there are many Muslim countries. If the giant awakens, who will it go after? i am not suggesting that it wont as we saw after sep11 that the giant is not only blind, it is very stupid too, it went into Afghanistan and Iraq even though all the hijackers were Saudi...
also, those people that threatened SP are based in NY, are you going to nuke NY? FAIL!
@time0is0a0myth Seriously, you're dismissing the motherfucking *Empire of Japan*? Who is the second largest economy in the world today? Oh that's right, Japan. Back during World War 2 it was as close to a superpower as anyone could be at the time and if the war had never happened at all, Japan could have quite easily beaten the United States and Russia to that status.
@aManApathetic i think you need to go back, read my comment, and see where I have dismissed the EMPIRE OF JAPAN. My comment was about Japan was an easy target as in the US knew where they were, where JAPAN IS! Not that Japan wasnt powerful. In the case of Muslims or radicals, which thunderf00t threatened waking up his nuking GIANT.....there are countless Muslims countries, and radicals dont belong to a specific nation, he should have used another punch line. hope its clear now!
@time0is0a0myth Before Pearl Harbour, the power of the atom bomb was unimaginable and the concept of a superpower with military capability like the US cultivated afterwards was only just imaginable. To wake a 'sleeping giant' a second time is not to invoke those same things, which are not commonplace and easy to imagine, but to invoke something new again. Asymmetrical war demands new methods and what will small groups do when they arrive?
It's such a shame this needs to be explained to people. What ever happened to World history class. I bet there are people out there who think the Tora Tora part of the tittle refers to a Jewish holy text.
Let me explain it for the feeble minded.
Tora Tora Tora means Tiger Tiger Tiger in Japanese. Those words were radioed to the Japanese pilots as a signal to start the attack !
I actually did kind of wonder what was the meaning of the title, especially since the Jewish holy text is usually called "Torah" in English. I appreciate the clarification :)
Also, as a side note, even though I am quite knowledgeable in History, I'm not familiar with all of the details in American history. The main reason for that is probably that I wasn't born and raised here...
Everyong "got it", and it makes sense when you are talking to a nation, but the idea that the US's scientifically superior weapons are of any use in fighting terrorists is just wrong.
The sleeping giant awakens and then spends half of its time trying carefully not to tread on innocent people as it rampages through their village.
@TheRationalizer From the tone of your comment it almost sounds as if we WERE waging total war, would you like to see full out carpet bombings and indiscriminate shellings, literally flattening entire provinces of nations in less than a week?
Because that was the full scale total war brought on in WWII before restraint for the sake of bystanders became SOP
in WWII the most we did for civilians was dropping leaflets saying "GTFO", If you would prefer we get SERIOUS about this war, i'm with you.
No, not everyone got the analogy. I was amazed how many people didn't. Yes...right now the "sleeping giant" DOES tread carefully....but what thunderf00t was saying, is that these islamic fundamentalists don't want to meet the sleeping giant in "such a mood" as to not care whether they tread on innocence any longer. Obviously this "sleeping giant" had let out their full wrath at the end of the second world war. Not pretty.
Well, it's pretty contradictory to say "If SOME of you kill us, then we will kill discriminately" and then show images of a steal bomber, stealth bombers are anything but discriminate.
I think there s a big problem cos japan soldiers need totaly respect!!....... cos either them had an holocqust!!huss
divolsound 6 months ago
Yeah, well said.
I immediately saw through DawahFilms' empty statements about him just wanting to speak out against Tf00t's "call for genocide" against innocent Muslims.
Instead of supporting Tf00t, he decided to lash out on him for speaking against death threats aimed at South Park creators.
That should have been obvious from the get go, but apparently, you needed to clear things out for those Tf00t's flip-flop "supporters" who moan about Tf00t becoming "militant and radical atheist". Lamers...
mickeypopa 1 year ago
Yep that really sums it up quite nicely
Dakayrus 1 year ago
Excellent video, I was amazed how people didn't know that quote.
Saukko31 1 year ago
@Saukko31 I didn't know the quote either. Still, I understood what Thunderf00t was saying though. The original metaphor is quite obvious, whether you have heard it or not.
TumshieX 1 year ago
Everyone on both sides of this whole 'brewhaha' should watch this video... mandatory!
And yes - it's pretty sad that this needed to be explained, but thanks for doing it insightnew !
TZ3k 1 year ago
You are mistaken. Thunderf00t never mentioned extremists.
owchywawa 1 year ago
The only thing this history lesson reminded me of was the fact that the civilian death toll in iraq is estimatd to be more than double the death toll in hiroshima and nagasaki combined, this "monster" has been awake for the past decade and its begining to grow weary
gstrike79 1 year ago 2
You people are all wrong. Dawafilms is and never has been a moderate muslim. You people think that a moderate muslim is a guy totally into islam but has no plans of killing you in sucide-bomb attack. That is stupid.
a REAL moderate muslim is a guy or girl who uses youtube to upload videoes about sports, video-games or just having fun. A moderate muslim dosent talk about islam.
Dawahfilms is a radical muslim - he just isnt violent. Try studying Hizb-ut-tahrir or the muslim brotherhood.
StrapOnDildoSexRulez 1 year ago
@StrapOnDildoSexRulez A moderate is someone who doesn't try to shove his or her faith/convictions down your throat. In this case: I think Ali wants to discuss worldly issues from a muslim's perspective, and combat atheism with logic, in the same way an atheist combats religion. An extremist is someone that doesn't take "No" for an answer.
erinra 1 year ago
@erinra Atheists 'combat' religion because religion has a strong affect on our lives. Is Islam threatened by atheism? Not to my knowledge.
aManApathetic 1 year ago
@aManApathetic Muslims are a minority in most parts of the Western world. Minorities always feel threatened. With these offensive cartoons, they feel agitated and shunned out. Atheism is considered a foreign force. Foreign forces aren't viewed in a good light. Yes, they feel threatened. In Africa, people feel threatened by homosexuality, because it's a "Western ideal" used as a tool to "destroy" their values and post-colonial recuperation.
erinra 1 year ago
@erinra This doesn't really help clarify Muslim attitudes to me, I was kind of hoping my prejudices would be challenged, not affirmed. Instead you're telling me Muslims are jingoistic, homophobic and intolerant to criticism.
aManApathetic 1 year ago
@aManApathetic Then you really don't get it. Where do prejudices come from? They're based on reality. Distorted by fear. This goes for both sides.
Just because Africans are homophobic doesn't mean they're bad people. You have to look to their nations' cultures, aspirations, regrets and fears to understand. The same can be applied to Muslims, Russians, the Chinese etc., people generally viewed in a bad light in the Western world.
erinra 1 year ago
@erinra Not all prejudices are equal. What atheists have to fear from religion is tangible, what religious people have to fear from atheists is what they invent and this is demonstrably true. Often what is deemed 'islamaphobia' is attributed to atheists in the west when it's more aptly fitting to other religious groups, namely christians. There is no 'both sides' because there is no 'us and them'. Criticism is only a threat to people that interpret it as 'combat'.
aManApathetic 1 year ago
@aManApathetic Foreigners think like this: Islamophobia = foreign. Atheism = foreign. Islamophobia = atheism. In any case, I don't actually believe they care about atheism that much. There's 'us' and there's 'them'. 'They' are the infidels, against Islam, against their freedom, regardless of religion.
erinra 1 year ago
@erinra At the root of it I think I was objecting to your suggestion that Ali(DawahFilms) is not an extremist but a moderate and I did this by wanting to point out that how Ali and seemingly most Muslims to my mind do not approach atheism the same way as atheists approach religion.
aManApathetic 1 year ago
@aManApathetic You could've mentioned Ali from the start, I'm a little dense. :) I think he does approach atheism critically, or at least as critically as a religious person can. His views aren't particularly extremist, e.g. an atheist could share his stance on free speech, and he doesn't try to prove his theses through religious dogma. Instead he applies critical thinking. Is criticising atheism equal to extremism?
erinra 1 year ago
@erinra In principle no, but my argument is that the content and motivation for that criticism is different. The motivation is less sincere and this is reflected in the content. Historical examples of religions being suppressed are common, but seem to gloss over that most religions are suppressed by other religions and whilst atheists have suppressed religions; they have no done so because they were atheists. Secularism means 'without respect to religion' not 'anti-religion'.
aManApathetic 1 year ago
@StrapOnDildoSexRulez Oh I saw violence in his eyes and expressions. A few times, he was barely keeping his cool....just sayin
MrsJMohon 1 year ago
Even up until now Dawah hasn't wasted a single word to condemning the death threats agains the creators of southpark which is simply.....a telltale sign of his mindset.
blackpajamas1 1 year ago
@blackpajamas1 Uh, yes he has.
erinra 1 year ago
The narrow minded has difficulties seeing broader pictures.
nekedemus 1 year ago
One good quote deserves another:
But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet;
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
William Butler Yeats
MrBizak 1 year ago
@MrBizak That's my sig on most forums :)
TechnomancerMorhion 1 year ago
Look at the way Thunderfoot talks about the Middle East at the end. He again GENERALIZE.
Fuck that racist faggot, If it wasnt for muslims he there would be no ''enlightenment'' in Europe.
IC1101 1 year ago
@IC1101 What 'enlightenment' would that be?More exploding incidents?Don't like the video?Don't watch it.
barefootedwanderer 1 year ago
@barefootedwanderer Who gave you the numbers you use today? If it wasnt for muslims you would still use those hideous Latin numbers and would be unable to make any progress in math. And it was the muslims who first strarted using the scientific method. Google Averroes.
IC1101 1 year ago
@IC1101 Averroes was drawing on ancient Greek philosophy...not on the koran...and he is not much liked by the "Islamic orthodoxy", even today.. I do not deny the cross-fertilization between all cultures around the Mediterranean or the inflence of people of Muslim faith on modern scientific thinking..but, as is true concerning Christians, they made this contributions mainly in spite of or even against ideas based purely on "faith"...
Nalae1978 1 year ago
@Nalae1978 Well, of course he draw on the koran too...:) But that were not the ideas that influenced the "western world"...
Nalae1978 1 year ago
@IC1101 Once upon a time, the Islamic world was the most advanced culture. Once upon a time, the Western world was an intellectual backwater. Things change, however. Some cultures have progressed, some have regressed. To which culture will stake your lot, IC1101?
amazingbollweevil 1 year ago 3
@IC1101
You're missing the point. No-one is denying that the Moors and Ottomans were advanced for a time. But that time was when they were not Muslim, or had not been for long enough for the religion to have its demonstrable effect - retarding the social and technological development of a society.
Oh, and Islam is not a "race". Do not play the race card.
MrCommentingisfun 1 year ago 2
@MrCommentingisfun Judaism is not a race, and they play this "race card" you speak of.
erinra 1 year ago
@erinra Yes they do. Your point? Just because one religious group plays the race card does not mean it's ok for them to do so, nor for others to follow suit.
TechnomancerMorhion 1 year ago
@TechnomancerMorhion If one religious group does so, and this is (more than) socially acceptable, then one shouldn't criticise other "ethnic" religious groups for doing the same, without criticising the practice in general. Otherwise you're at risk of accusing someone unjustly, i.e. for doing something socially acceptable within the norms of society, while giving others the false impression that they're doing something that wouldn't occur among themselves, the accusers. Feel free to disagree.
erinra 1 year ago
@erinra It's tantamount to lying. I can't speak for others obviously, but for myself, declaring someone "racist" when they criticize a religion is just an admission that either 1. the one using the term "racist" has no idea what it actually entails. Or 2. they lack any sort of counter argument against criticism and thus use a term associated in modern times with intolerance and negativity in order to throw attention away from the fact they lack an argument.
TechnomancerMorhion 1 year ago
@TechnomancerMorhion Or 3. they're using a term heavily associated with intolerance and negativity in order to convey their sentiments in one simple word, that has no counterpart in their case.
My sum-up: If you criticise Muslims, then indirectly criticise Jews as well, by criticising the practice, not the practitioner.
erinra 1 year ago
@erinra Not really. "Bigot" would be the appropriate term. "Racist" has absolutely nothing to do with religion.
TechnomancerMorhion 1 year ago
@TechnomancerMorhion "Bigot" can be debated. Let's be honest, no word is as concise as "racist". While the use of the word in this sense is technically wrong, it is commonly used by many when Jews and/or Muslims are the minority, so to accuse him of using the "race card" and using it unfairly was uncalled for, I think. In contrast, the term "antisemitism" can technically be used for both Muslims and Jews, but it has traditionally never been used in this sense.
erinra 1 year ago
@erinra: Do Persians count as Semites? I'm genuinely unsure. I know that technically, Christians who live in the Arab world or Israel are Semites, too.
InfernalApocalypse 1 year ago
@InfernalApocalypse I'm not sure either. Traditionally, Semitic has been used to describe a language family in which Persian is not included; Persian is an Indo-European language. The "Semitic race" is a fuzzy concept; its meaning depends on your agenda. Do we have an ethnology expert here on Yt? x)
erinra 1 year ago
@erinra To sum it up: just because one group (in this case, Jews) abuses sensitivites does not justify others (in this case, Muslims) doing the same.
TechnomancerMorhion 1 year ago
@erinra ....I didn't mention Judaism as an exception to what I said.
Weird that you would target it specifically.
*cough* Anti-semitic *cough*
MrCommentingisfun 1 year ago
@MrCommentingisfun You didn't mention Judaism at all. Could mean, a) you're against the use of "race" to distinguish between religions (which includes b), or b) you're against the use of "race" by Muslims to identify themselves. When (b) I ask: What about Jews? When you specify it's (a) you meant, I go: Couldn't you've said that from the beginning, so we could've skipped this whole convo, and avoided further confusion? (Continued)
erinra 1 year ago
@erinra I didn't mention Judiasm because it has nothing to do with the comment I was replying to.
My comment was in general terms, and I did not specify Islam, though I think that Islam tries harder to blur the race/religion line than most other faiths (Trying to get anti-blasphemy laws through the UN on grounds of "hate speech" for example)
MrCommentingisfun 1 year ago
@MrCommentingisfun I actually see no problem with religions claiming race. Race is a mostly sociological concept anyway, isn't that what the scientists always say? ;)
erinra 1 year ago
@erinra The issue is that a race of people cannot be judged according to their race.
This isn't the case with religion. If your holy book tells you to kill non-believers, apostates and gays, and you say you believe that book and follow its edicts, I have every right to make a judgement call based on that.
Moreso with Islam than with many other faiths, as it purports to instruct every aspect of one's life. If you take it seriously, you will be "too Muslim to be anything else"
MrCommentingisfun 1 year ago
@MrCommentingisfun Many people are 'racist' against Muslims out of mere prejudice, but I see your point.
Islam won't be like it is today forever; change will come this half-millennium, guaranteed. ;)
erinra 1 year ago
@erinra Lets hope so
MrCommentingisfun 1 year ago
@MrCommentingisfun (2) Not to say that you should mention Jews in every comment you make, just make a universal statement against the practice, if it is the practice you're against, and not a specified group's use of it. So the dense people here on Yt don't misunderstand. Dense people can be destructive.
Just my advice, you don't have to take it to practice if you don't want to.
erinra 1 year ago
I've added this to favourites, because it's so good.
Hereticbooks 1 year ago
I'm glad someone made a video about this. I was amazed how many people had no recollection of the first time the "sleeping giant" analogy was made. I desperately wanted to re-but, but all I could do was make a few paltry comments on peoples pages, but I was WELL AWARE of where the "sleeping giant" analogy came from.
Hereticbooks 1 year ago
I like how TF comment's "Glad someone got it," lol. There have been many valid criticisms laid at TF's doorstep, many by long time subscribers of which he has chosen to ignore. This video here address maybe 2% of the original video and if that's "getting it" then maybe TF should've just edited his video down to the one WWII quote.
DiwataMan 1 year ago
@DiwataMan Maybe it's because despite spending almost the entire video condemning violence, all his critics focus on is his recital of the 'sleeping giant' quote. They've gone out of their way to distort whilst accusing others of doing so.
aManApathetic 1 year ago
Glad someone finall expressed this right
SPACKlick 1 year ago
you fail and so do thunderf00t...because Japan is a nation, and Japanese live in single nation, at a specific location. Islam is a religion, and there are many Muslim countries. If the giant awakens, who will it go after? i am not suggesting that it wont as we saw after sep11 that the giant is not only blind, it is very stupid too, it went into Afghanistan and Iraq even though all the hijackers were Saudi...
also, those people that threatened SP are based in NY, are you going to nuke NY? FAIL!
time0is0a0myth 1 year ago
@time0is0a0myth The giant need not attack a nation, it can attack in many forms.
SPACKlick 1 year ago
@time0is0a0myth I wasn't aware that a proclamation against a mentality required geographical location.
TechnomancerMorhion 1 year ago
@time0is0a0myth Seriously, you're dismissing the motherfucking *Empire of Japan*? Who is the second largest economy in the world today? Oh that's right, Japan. Back during World War 2 it was as close to a superpower as anyone could be at the time and if the war had never happened at all, Japan could have quite easily beaten the United States and Russia to that status.
aManApathetic 1 year ago
@aManApathetic what the fuck are you talking about?
time0is0a0myth 1 year ago
@time0is0a0myth Addressing your ignorant dismissal of Japan.
aManApathetic 1 year ago
@aManApathetic i think you need to go back, read my comment, and see where I have dismissed the EMPIRE OF JAPAN. My comment was about Japan was an easy target as in the US knew where they were, where JAPAN IS! Not that Japan wasnt powerful. In the case of Muslims or radicals, which thunderf00t threatened waking up his nuking GIANT.....there are countless Muslims countries, and radicals dont belong to a specific nation, he should have used another punch line. hope its clear now!
time0is0a0myth 1 year ago
@time0is0a0myth Before Pearl Harbour, the power of the atom bomb was unimaginable and the concept of a superpower with military capability like the US cultivated afterwards was only just imaginable. To wake a 'sleeping giant' a second time is not to invoke those same things, which are not commonplace and easy to imagine, but to invoke something new again. Asymmetrical war demands new methods and what will small groups do when they arrive?
aManApathetic 1 year ago
This was exellent
syth184 1 year ago
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syth184 1 year ago
what amazes me is that needed to be explained to people.
simsi1616 1 year ago 16
It's such a shame this needs to be explained to people. What ever happened to World history class. I bet there are people out there who think the Tora Tora part of the tittle refers to a Jewish holy text.
Let me explain it for the feeble minded.
Tora Tora Tora means Tiger Tiger Tiger in Japanese. Those words were radioed to the Japanese pilots as a signal to start the attack !
SwarmDrone 1 year ago
@SwarmDrone
I actually did kind of wonder what was the meaning of the title, especially since the Jewish holy text is usually called "Torah" in English. I appreciate the clarification :)
Also, as a side note, even though I am quite knowledgeable in History, I'm not familiar with all of the details in American history. The main reason for that is probably that I wasn't born and raised here...
goal2004 1 year ago
and with the all new XM 25... you cam run but you can't hide
U5K0 1 year ago
Great video.
PiroNiro 1 year ago 3
Glad someone got it! :-)
Thunderf00t 1 year ago 78
@Thunderf00t I think there would have been less drama if youd clarified this yourself.
SPACKlick 1 year ago
@Thunderf00t
Everyong "got it", and it makes sense when you are talking to a nation, but the idea that the US's scientifically superior weapons are of any use in fighting terrorists is just wrong.
The sleeping giant awakens and then spends half of its time trying carefully not to tread on innocent people as it rampages through their village.
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer From the tone of your comment it almost sounds as if we WERE waging total war, would you like to see full out carpet bombings and indiscriminate shellings, literally flattening entire provinces of nations in less than a week?
Because that was the full scale total war brought on in WWII before restraint for the sake of bystanders became SOP
in WWII the most we did for civilians was dropping leaflets saying "GTFO", If you would prefer we get SERIOUS about this war, i'm with you.
Floridanon407 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer
No, not everyone got the analogy. I was amazed how many people didn't. Yes...right now the "sleeping giant" DOES tread carefully....but what thunderf00t was saying, is that these islamic fundamentalists don't want to meet the sleeping giant in "such a mood" as to not care whether they tread on innocence any longer. Obviously this "sleeping giant" had let out their full wrath at the end of the second world war. Not pretty.
Hereticbooks 1 year ago
@Hereticbooks
Well, it's pretty contradictory to say "If SOME of you kill us, then we will kill discriminately" and then show images of a steal bomber, stealth bombers are anything but discriminate.
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@Thunderf00t Blatantly obvious from the get go.
TechnomancerMorhion 1 year ago