@KSX387 so sorry this is my name and he was not logged in hes got a damn mouth on em and he better stop talkin shyt im sick of his attitude towards people and things
Maiden is one of the top Metal bands in history if not the top metal band in history! Somewhere is an incredible album, Seventh Son up to the news ones is all quality stuff. I cannot believe someone would bad mouth Maiden in the comments for a kick'n Manila Road song... We get you are a noob who is just discovering metal, but don't hop the bandwagon of the no nothing idiots who just come here to troll and think like you are fitting in to some social club...
@Foxysarajean Meh, I like some of the other Manilla Road albums better. Nevertheless you're perfectly entitled to your opinion, and it doesn't mean that this song is any less awesome for what it is.
WTTTTTTTTF IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD, FOR YEARS IVE BEEN ON THE LOOKOUT FOR METAL AND THE BEST METAL BANDS ARE NORMALLY ALL UNDERGROUND. THE ONLY BAND THAT HAS DESERVED THERE POPULARITY IN MY OPINION ARE JUDAS PRIEST.
I have up for sale these vinyls in mint condition: R.I.P., Medieval Steel, Heathen´s Rage (sealed copy), Stormtrooper (sealed copy), Coven (Worship new gods), plus many more. Drop me a line if you're interested.
I miss danilohenriquesouza (user) he was the master of this kind of music (heavy metal , hard rock , NWOHM , glam Metal , power metal , old school of thrash metal) danilo was killed for youtube
@supmayne1 yeah he die for us...but i remember some heavy metal glam bands , you know, not really glam glam bands but influences for galm yes..i dont like glam but that genre was the popular style in the 80's...personaly i love the old school for death , thrash , doom , even power metal .. but all my likes have born with the danilo's music...i miss danilo's account.
some riffs are ripped off (the number of the beast) ...Manilla Road is a good band...but is good in stealing riffs too... see also Dreams Of Eschaton (same riff of Angel Witch's Angel Of Death)
@metalxx7 I don't know if these bands fit that title, but Omen, Liege Lord, Heavy Load, Warlord, Cirith Ungol, Attacker, Elixir, early Fates Warning and of course the great NWOBHM albums like the first self titled Angelwitch and Loose N Lethal by Savage are all great heavy metal. And there are some great bands with a style somewhere between classic metal and speed such as Anvil, Exciter, the first Armored Saint, Nasty Savage, Savage Grace, Sentinel Beast, Agent Steel, the Metal Church debut.
@metalxx7 Oh, and early Candlemass, they are doom but epic doom METAL. rather than drone/stoner/gothic doom, so they will appeal to any fan of epic metal.
@ImpendingDoom01 It's damn hard to say which is their best album 'cause Crystal Logic and The Deluge are also fuckin' awesome! But yeah, you've got a point there my friend.
@Demonman26 Headbanging to lack-lustre music isn't much to be proud of. As good as KEA and RtL is, Metallica is incredibly tame for thrash standards. ;)
@ThazuaBlackarrow Well you can't even compare the two bands because Manilla Road is pure epic and Metallica WAS pure thrash. I like Metallica better but I'm not saying Manilla Road isn't good. I just hate when people bash on Metallica for some unknown reason.
@ThazuaBlackarrow Please, that's all old news to me. I already know they sold out after Justice. You're just a common hater anyway. I worship them for those 4 albums.
Manilla Road, Manowar and Brocas Helm are three early examples of what we call Epic Heavy Metal. It's traditional Heavy Metal with extra grandiose lyrics about epic stuff, explained in a simple form!
I have just launched a new Manilla Road fan community message board! You're all welcome to join The Weavers of the Web! =) manillaroad . iphpbb3 . com (remove the spaces)
I mean there are many vocalists that sound way more like Bruce than Mark Shelton(Geoff Tate and Michael Kiske for example) no one really sounds like Mark.
Not to mention that MR is just as old as Iron Maiden.
lol? someone said that power metal descends from heavy metal? NO FUCKING SHIT... just like any metal, rock, or anything worth listening to is descended from the blues... doesnt mean that this is power metal.. this is heavy fucking metal... listen to Crystal Logic faggots.
God...this song gets me back to when I was 15-16 years old, school days, adrenaline, careless days, wall graffity, and...lots of heavy metal! thanks guys for the heritage you left...
You are right, and some 15-20 years ago if you were deciding to wear a t-shirt of a band, you should knew all about that band, discography, band crew, songs of their albums, etc, because you could be "interviewed" by the "eldest". And the "interviews" were not always polite. You might loose the t-shirt and be beaten hard. Respect to your country and my favourite band ever - Bathory!
It matters a little. If they are really underrated then they won't be able to make enough money to countinue as a band and give you more music to play loud or see live in greece anymore. Then you'd be sad. :'(
omg i cant believe my huni posted that ON MY NAME ugh sorry
foxysara1989 4 weeks ago
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foxysara1989 1 month ago
@foxysara1989 :O
KSX387 1 month ago
@KSX387 so sorry this is my name and he was not logged in hes got a damn mouth on em and he better stop talkin shyt im sick of his attitude towards people and things
foxysara1989 4 weeks ago
@foxysara1989 i dont lisen to this kind of music lol
foxysara1989 4 weeks ago
This band does indeed rule
misterbilbotbaggins 2 months ago
Damn epic drumming by Randy Foxe, wish i knew why the hell did he quit playing, he was AMAZING!
baraka8000 3 months ago
Crom will rip off the heads of the five who didn't like this!
baraka8000 3 months ago
E P I C
Foferguayota 3 months ago
Now some bumbleass compares Iron Maiden with Manilla Road and deserves his ride cymbal to be thrashed !!
Shut up and blast Manilla Road !!
doombirdmetal 4 months ago
Not the biggest fan of the vocals but Manilla Road are awesome.
Filthgrinder79 4 months ago
i dont like this style of music but these guys are tight
xXxBAILEY123 7 months ago
kickass song!
interstellarse 7 months ago
if they sound anything like iron maiden it is a weird mix between dickinson and bayley
TCiLLnEsS 7 months ago
@TCiLLnEsS they dont sound like iron maiden. thats why its 10000x better
Sanatielify 7 months ago
@Sanatielify
maiden is not that bad they released great stuff till somewhere back in time
guillotinedeath 6 months ago
@guillotinedeath
Maiden is one of the top Metal bands in history if not the top metal band in history! Somewhere is an incredible album, Seventh Son up to the news ones is all quality stuff. I cannot believe someone would bad mouth Maiden in the comments for a kick'n Manila Road song... We get you are a noob who is just discovering metal, but don't hop the bandwagon of the no nothing idiots who just come here to troll and think like you are fitting in to some social club...
rufus566 2 months ago
@rufus566
top metal band in history hahahaha
ill take Sabbath or Priest over them any day.......
just discovering metal ahahahaha ive been listening to this for years
stop speaking out of your ass and check the facts
guillotinedeath 2 months ago
@Sanatielify
You're stupid.
aerogun18 5 months ago
i listen more to the guitar but the vocals dont bother me at all
dagonspriest 8 months ago
best fucking song ever
dagonspriest 8 months ago
best fucking song ever
Foxysarajean 8 months ago 2
@Foxysarajean Meh, I like some of the other Manilla Road albums better. Nevertheless you're perfectly entitled to your opinion, and it doesn't mean that this song is any less awesome for what it is.
thesideshowman212 8 months ago
Calisse de bonne toune!
Regurgitate 9 months ago
WTTTTTTTTF IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD, FOR YEARS IVE BEEN ON THE LOOKOUT FOR METAL AND THE BEST METAL BANDS ARE NORMALLY ALL UNDERGROUND. THE ONLY BAND THAT HAS DESERVED THERE POPULARITY IN MY OPINION ARE JUDAS PRIEST.
RubenGardiner 9 months ago 3
@RubenGardiner And iron maiden....
NinaMaggotaki 8 months ago
This is more or less in the same spirit and vein as Jag Panzer...I approve MUCHLY
wrath1987 10 months ago
awesome¡¡¡¡
potrodemonio 10 months ago
Awesome instrumental work... the vocals kill it for me though...
wooliard 11 months ago
Love that snare sound
ProcolHarum1967 11 months ago
The vocals sounds a bit weird to me, but the rest is really good.
Bogikoma 11 months ago
@Bogikoma Yeah the vocals are very nasal but I think they have a really good charm to them, but I can see how they would turn people off.
Mzee1084 8 months ago
I have up for sale these vinyls in mint condition: R.I.P., Medieval Steel, Heathen´s Rage (sealed copy), Stormtrooper (sealed copy), Coven (Worship new gods), plus many more. Drop me a line if you're interested.
akis512 1 year ago
SWEDEN!
dubberman22 1 year ago
@dubberman22 .....? They're not Swedish.
RawMetalofDeath 11 months ago
@RawMetalofDeath srry i thought i was on another video i had to tabs open
dubberman22 11 months ago
2 FCKING WORDS TO DESCRIBBE THIS TRUE METAL!!!
RubenGardiner 1 year ago
Listen to Metal Sceptre and give your opinion.
RuiCarinhoso 1 year ago
this is my best song of my best band!!!
bladeofwrath1 1 year ago
5 People dislike this Video? Thats a crime against humanity.
13thlegionarre 1 year ago 19
@13thlegionarre lol
HeavyMetalArmy80 1 year ago
DOOM
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bobafett39 1 year ago
I miss danilohenriquesouza (user) he was the master of this kind of music (heavy metal , hard rock , NWOHM , glam Metal , power metal , old school of thrash metal) danilo was killed for youtube
osamabinladen19 1 year ago
@osamabinladen19 Danilo was martyred! and I liked everything you said minus Glam
supmayne1 1 year ago
@supmayne1 yeah he die for us...but i remember some heavy metal glam bands , you know, not really glam glam bands but influences for galm yes..i dont like glam but that genre was the popular style in the 80's...personaly i love the old school for death , thrash , doom , even power metal .. but all my likes have born with the danilo's music...i miss danilo's account.
R.I.P DaniloHenriqueSouza
osamabinladen19 1 year ago
@osamabinladen19 -- they killed him? Or did he die of molten metal made real with fury?
Gravelandart 1 year ago
Now this is Heavy Metal indeed!!
yugster78 1 year ago 14
This is super awesome.
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manilla road is still going strong check out riddle master live in the studio on my youtube page plus other manilla road videos
bobafett39 1 year ago
people talk about metallica more than enough on you tube. more people should be talking about manilla road and metal church!
joshp6585 1 year ago
BattleroaR re pussies
DOXA480 1 year ago
@DOXA480 You speak the truth brother!!!!!!!
CommanderSpeedMetal 1 year ago
@DOXA480 ur a pussie if u dont like battleroar then ur just a little poser cause they fuking rules
Heavy,Thrash,Death.Black metal to the grave \m/
666TheMetalmaniac666 1 year ago 3
Exito en mi corazon.
FatMetalFan 1 year ago
Manilla road is the gratest metal band of all time....from 1979 to 1990 they're made killer albums...the best of Epic Heavy Metal!!!
rockarollo 1 year ago
Hoje em dia tudo se copia nada se cria. 80`s forever...
joserobertrue 1 year ago
Who brought Metallica into the topic? Their first four albums are great, but this is Manilla Road, not Metallica.
Nice little song! I plan on buying Open the Gates (Along with Crystal Logic) in a few days.
BloodPump 1 year ago
awesome shit. never got around to really hear this band but i think i'll be listening to them alot more now!
morbidgod 1 year ago
where can i buy the album?
iLive4ver 1 year ago
Manilla Road rocks, it remain a pure metal band. some of the greatest music ever in my view.
RubySkull888 1 year ago
Everytime I'm out driving, I look at every person in every car. Looking to see if I see someone from the band.
3dd656 1 year ago
GREAT !!! Hello from Poland !!!
1betmor 1 year ago
some riffs are ripped off (the number of the beast) ...Manilla Road is a good band...but is good in stealing riffs too... see also Dreams Of Eschaton (same riff of Angel Witch's Angel Of Death)
GiorgioRocker92 1 year ago
The best epic-metal band(after manowar)!!
MrVagelisP 1 year ago
hey what do you see with your minds eye
SuperMiller500 1 year ago
where's Time Trap
supercoop0125 1 year ago
Anybody have suggestions for bands like this one? epic metallish kind of bands?
metalxx7 1 year ago
@metalxx7 I don't know if these bands fit that title, but Omen, Liege Lord, Heavy Load, Warlord, Cirith Ungol, Attacker, Elixir, early Fates Warning and of course the great NWOBHM albums like the first self titled Angelwitch and Loose N Lethal by Savage are all great heavy metal. And there are some great bands with a style somewhere between classic metal and speed such as Anvil, Exciter, the first Armored Saint, Nasty Savage, Savage Grace, Sentinel Beast, Agent Steel, the Metal Church debut.
fuzzleredmenn 1 year ago
@fuzzleredmenn Agent steel FTW! John cyriis is back!
hnh4 1 year ago
@metalxx7 Oh, and early Candlemass, they are doom but epic doom METAL. rather than drone/stoner/gothic doom, so they will appeal to any fan of epic metal.
fuzzleredmenn 1 year ago
not a fan of the vocalist :/
metalxx7 1 year ago
METALLICA
58242590 1 year ago
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@58242590 manilla road are better than metallica you fagg.
TheThrashZone 1 year ago 47
@TheThrashZone Five Stars for your comment!
ImpendingDoom01 1 year ago 22
@ImpendingDoom01 It's damn hard to say which is their best album 'cause Crystal Logic and The Deluge are also fuckin' awesome! But yeah, you've got a point there my friend.
evermetal2 1 year ago
@evermetal2 They did many good works. For me OTG has something more than others.
ImpendingDoom01 1 year ago
@TheThrashZone better than which Metallica? The old one or the new one?
revenez 1 year ago
@revenez dude why the hell would you even bring up Metallica in this video!?!?!?
morbidgod 1 year ago
@morbidgod yeah you're right, sorry I forget that this type of topics are pratically endless.
revenez 1 year ago
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@TheThrashZone even though metallica are the 4th best selling artists of all time
iLive4ver 1 year ago
@TheThrashZone Metallica is like the gayest 80s band along with slayer :b
BLACKSABBATH0HM 1 year ago
@TheThrashZone HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No.
Demonman26 1 year ago
@Demonman26 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yes.
TheThrashZone 1 year ago
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@TheThrashZone HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No!
Demonman26 1 year ago
@Demonman26 Metallica suck. Fuck off. Manilla Road destroys them. Not even Metallica's greatest works (RtL and KEA) come close.
ThazuaBlackarrow 1 year ago
@ThazuaBlackarrow HA! Ok, you can keep telling yourself that while I'm headbanging like a champ. See ya.
Demonman26 1 year ago
@Demonman26 Headbanging to lack-lustre music isn't much to be proud of. As good as KEA and RtL is, Metallica is incredibly tame for thrash standards. ;)
ThazuaBlackarrow 1 year ago
@ThazuaBlackarrow Well you can't even compare the two bands because Manilla Road is pure epic and Metallica WAS pure thrash. I like Metallica better but I'm not saying Manilla Road isn't good. I just hate when people bash on Metallica for some unknown reason.
Demonman26 1 year ago
@Demonman26 It's no unknown reason. They're shitty. They had two good albums and two okay albums; 4. Out of 9 albums total.
That's not even half. They're fair game to bash.
ThazuaBlackarrow 1 year ago
@ThazuaBlackarrow Please, that's all old news to me. I already know they sold out after Justice. You're just a common hater anyway. I worship them for those 4 albums.
Demonman26 1 year ago
Manilla Road, Manowar and Brocas Helm are three early examples of what we call Epic Heavy Metal. It's traditional Heavy Metal with extra grandiose lyrics about epic stuff, explained in a simple form!
Scurpi 1 year ago
@Scurpi HEY!! Y DONDE DEJAS A OMEN ES EL MAS GRANDE
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I have just launched a new Manilla Road fan community message board! You're all welcome to join The Weavers of the Web! =) manillaroad . iphpbb3 . com (remove the spaces)
drakeeverheart 2 years ago
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comon the singer?? sounds alot like bruce dickinson
IronDrummer777 2 years ago
It is Bruce that sounds like mike if you shall compare them
NWOBHM85 2 years ago
i thought his name was mark.....
55bored 2 years ago 2
srry mark
NWOBHM85 2 years ago
Mark sounds like Bruce?
No....no he doesnt.
I mean there are many vocalists that sound way more like Bruce than Mark Shelton(Geoff Tate and Michael Kiske for example) no one really sounds like Mark.
Not to mention that MR is just as old as Iron Maiden.
PennyDreadful1 2 years ago
they sound alot like Maiden, which fricken kicks ass, Manilla Road rocks!
IronDrummer777 2 years ago
@IronDrummer777 they sound nothing like iron maiden
TheThrashZone 2 years ago
manilla road is propably one of the greatest HEAVY metal bands ever. . .though it is a bit underestimated unfortunately. . .
sirlarnathal 2 years ago 5
lol? someone said that power metal descends from heavy metal? NO FUCKING SHIT... just like any metal, rock, or anything worth listening to is descended from the blues... doesnt mean that this is power metal.. this is heavy fucking metal... listen to Crystal Logic faggots.
samlovemetal 2 years ago
@samlovemetal Yeah I dont like how people call MR power metal either.
Its heavy metal! Much like Iron Maiden.
PennyDreadful1 2 years ago 4
They do honestly have elements of power metal in their sound, in fact they helped create it. But I would describe them as Epic Heavy Metal.
Whackooyzero 2 years ago 5
I agree with you, MR are Epic Heavy Metal, they are different from what today we call Power Metal.
ImpendingDoom01 2 years ago 3
@Whackooyzero
Well I guess they were one of the first to mix thrash into an epic sound.
Which is one of the main elements of power metal.
PennyDreadful1 2 years ago
One of the greatest band ever!!
Cricchio427 2 years ago 9
manilla road = gods of metal
n3cromant1s 2 years ago 2
This is great, I gotta get into this band
misconduckt 2 years ago 5
Who cares if this is power, heavy or epic or asshole metal. Call it whatever you want. This is awesome shit and that's all.
alexing86 2 years ago 61
@alexing86 if u dont like them u r not obliged to listen to them
go listen to what u want and stop saying bullshit
xho93 1 year ago
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@alexing86 its heavy metal how could it ever be anything else
dubberman22 1 year ago
Manilla Road play EPIC METAL
WildWildRocker 2 years ago 7
Sick tight... Heavy as fuck. These dudes are from the 80s? Sounds like GOOD ASS power metal!!!
SanguineUltima 2 years ago
WTF. This is NOT Power Metal. This is Heavy Metal.
Megadeth757 2 years ago 15
Power Metal is directly descended from traditional heavy metal like this so he was kinda right to say it SOUNDS LIKE power metal.
JayFromEarth 2 years ago 2
25 years ago it was
fireguye4 2 years ago
@Megadeth757 theres not a huge difference between heavy metal and power metal anyways.
invine 1 year ago
Manilla Road has to be one of the most underrated bands ever. Everything they put out is amazing.
rashadpwnzuall 2 years ago 6
big song!
ChinCGmR 2 years ago 5
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Wow, this song is amazing.
Megadeth757 2 years ago 2
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Marta222M 2 years ago
I disagree
MrStb132 2 years ago
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sucks and they re a garage wannabe band!!!!!!
SuperRocker20 2 years ago
dude Manilla road rules
deathmetalhell123 2 years ago 5
FUCK OFF AND DIE!
Alinatorul 2 years ago
Ehh.....no...they are a hidden gem of fantastic heavy metal.
Everyone knows that......
PennyDreadful1 2 years ago 2
What leads you to say that?
Hell yeah Manilla Road!
stupidguyx 2 years ago
One of the most underrated metal bands ever...
ComanderBlood 2 years ago 2
fuck yes
clcs13 2 years ago
should be every bit as popular as metallica and judas priest
likeastonesolo 2 years ago
This band sounds a bit of Manowar. Both are great bands, but Manilla Road is much more underrated.
puremetal90 2 years ago 2
Yeah except Manilla Road is likeable and has more heart.
PennyDreadful1 2 years ago 2
Great band, very underrated.
ufobrn 2 years ago
This band should have been bigger!
UnemployedEmployer 2 years ago 7
They came at greece last year i think and with a new album.
Ashgrimm 2 years ago
I think the recording of Greece is on this years 2009 live
stront555 2 years ago
! Cool !!
Ashgrimm 2 years ago
Sorry dude, I was mistaken:
After Midnight Live (2009 limited release, only 1000 vinyls) was recorded live, on the air, at KMUW radio studios,
Wichita, Kansas in December of 1979
stront555 2 years ago
Long live the pure heavy metal. This is badass.
redshaftedflicker 2 years ago
Not a fan of the vocals. Sounds like a bad David Defeis.
ManofWar55 2 years ago
Form what I know David Defeis doesnt sing in a nasal high baritone.
Let the vocals grow on you.
I dont think he sounds anything like that falsetto abusing drama queen(jk).
Mark Shelton's voice got personality and
on top of that he's a great lead guitarist.
PennyDreadful1 2 years ago 2
Ok, I'll give them a chance.
ManofWar55 2 years ago
Believe me, a wise choice!
ImpendingDoom01 2 years ago
It sounds like a heavier version of Maiden.
Anyone agree?
Indextic 3 years ago
Noo not really
PennyDreadful1 3 years ago
Granted the two bands started up at about the same time.
PennyDreadful1 3 years ago
Its pretty different from Maiden but the melodies and riffs sound similar at times
PennyDreadful1 2 years ago
Hey what's with always getting a thumbs down here!?
PennyDreadful1 2 years ago 3
i agree
redneckXxXron65 2 years ago
Make me remember crusader of saxon i can't explain why !
Brucey6666 2 years ago
Fuckin' good...I just got myself transported back to the 80's!
ray180597 3 years ago
God...this song gets me back to when I was 15-16 years old, school days, adrenaline, careless days, wall graffity, and...lots of heavy metal! thanks guys for the heritage you left...
Nekkt 3 years ago
What kind of metalhead uses graffiti?
Thats like a hip hop thing
PennyDreadful1 3 years ago
Don't imagine colours or any "artistic" phrases. More like "True Metal Rules Yhe World", "Die For Metal", "My Soul Belongs To Metal"
Nekkt 3 years ago
Okay thats cool I guess.
There seem to be quite a heavy metal cult down there in greece.
PennyDreadful1 3 years ago
You are right, and some 15-20 years ago if you were deciding to wear a t-shirt of a band, you should knew all about that band, discography, band crew, songs of their albums, etc, because you could be "interviewed" by the "eldest". And the "interviews" were not always polite. You might loose the t-shirt and be beaten hard. Respect to your country and my favourite band ever - Bathory!
Nekkt 3 years ago
Yeah Bathory is awesome.
I still prefer Manilla Road though.
PennyDreadful1 3 years ago
One of their best songs...
ComanderBlood 3 years ago
One of their best songs
ComanderBlood 3 years ago
this is true fucking metal
HornedMajesty 3 years ago 2
I just found Manilla Road while looking for some Brocas Helm, great stuff! I still like Brocas Helm more, but this is pretty close.
stupidguyx 3 years ago
It's one of their best songs ever...And it has great lyrics too,about how we must fight our way and always be strong in our lifetime!
RFCHTO 3 years ago
I`m listening to his because Fenrzi told me about it, well, not really I read in an interview done by him
NorvegianBlackMetal 3 years ago
Fenriz seems to have pretty good music taste
PennyDreadful1 3 years ago
who cares if they are underrated so long as i have the records and play them loud
a dream of mine come true when i saw them in agrinio, greece 3 years ago
i dont give a shit about sales and charts
True Metal
resuractor 3 years ago 11
I agree, sales and charts mean nothing to me. Manilla Road rules!
ImpendingDoom01 3 years ago
It matters a little. If they are really underrated then they won't be able to make enough money to countinue as a band and give you more music to play loud or see live in greece anymore. Then you'd be sad. :'(
aerosigma 3 years ago 2
Well it is a bad thing for the band but it doesnt affect the music.
PennyDreadful1 3 years ago
Geia sou re patrida!!pesta.
EddieTGreek 3 years ago
ta lew de masaw ola gia to gluko xebimetal
aristsakos 3 years ago