You are right my friend but do not bother arguing with atheists; you are not going to change their mind as they are not going to change yours. Do not throw your pearls before swine.
allow me to demonstrate your own ideology in work:
God made the sun to light the day, and the moon for the night on the 4th day. Yes, it sounds good and all, if he hadn't already created and named light, dark, day and night three days ago.
So, it would seem that God finished creating days on the fourth day... So where the hell did the first three days come from?
but you are still a Christian, arent you? so i just pointlessly through food away trying to feed a pig (which is you)
Well, last time I checked pearls were not food. Also a day is a measurement of time, a certain number of hours. So, we've covered what pearls are, and what a day is. Is there anything else you would like to know?
technically, pearls are worthless. they have whatever value people give it. if we want, we could just throw them out as if it were dirt and no one would know the difference. you wouldnt treat food this way, would you?
also, a day is an interval from sunrise to sunset. to us, a day is 24 hours long. but if you were on Jupiter, for instance, a day would only be 10 hours long. in other words, the measurement is strictly based on the sun and the moon, which didnt exist until the 4th day
Thus proving that a day to God is not the same as a day to us. It even says in the bible that a thousand years is as one day to God; which makes sense because the Universe could not have been created in 6 days anyway. And if you don't find pearls to be worth anything, how about I give you a few real ones and you throw them away to pigs.
I have no idea what you are talking about but Genisis was written by Moses I believe or atleast someone else from that time and in a different language so I doubt the writer would tell people who don't understand gravity yet that God created the world over millions of years. No they wrote in their way so the people of their time could understand it. I don't get the pig thing and no offense but...are you mentally retarded?
i think my comment confuses you. i never said anything about gravity nor Moses. i simply stated an inconsistency in the bible- that days cants pass before they are created. if that is to hard for you to understand than i honestly think that you are a retard unworthy of my or anyone elses attention.
and when i referred to Christiand as pigs as a responce to being called "swine" (whick means pigs), yet you were okay with that. retards (aka, theists) and there double standards. how typical
I just dislike how a lot of atheists tell me to give them proof God exists. And felt like turning it around. As for making myself look like a fool, well, I gave that up a long time ago.
Okay well apparently you've never heard of Jesus because that throws your "God doesn't care whether people live or die & has no direct influence in the world." statement to the fire. As for no evidence to prove God,,,WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM??? And my religious belief springs from the fact that no matter how retarded this sounds, I have felt Gods presence before and I know he exists. No one can convince me otherwise. It'd be like telling my mom isn't real.
I have heard of Jesus & if you read your bible you'll see that not even he claimed to be divine. Before Jesus came along there was no hell to be sent to.
"WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM???"
You have the argument backwards my friend.I don't need to prove that he doesn't exist YOU need to PROVE he does otherwise you must also believe in everything that is imaginary until you can prove it not to exist. Where is your evidence?
there's scientific proof. there's the Bible. do you seriously think a person could make up the whole Bible, just to give some sort of false hope to people? no.
how did the universe come to be? it came from nothing? that's not possible. open up your mind before saying anything, please.
And honestly, I don't believe in Hell. I believe in everything in the bible for the most part but I don't believe in Hell. Because from what the bible says about God and all that would seem totally out of character for him to send us to hell. So, atleast we agree on something.
God made things complicated because if it was simple we could say, "life could just be a coincidence" but when you see life so complex how can you say there isn't a God.
Yeah the circumcision comment was funny but seriously, why would people just feel like making that up without something greater telling them too.
And no I cannot PROVE christianity's God exists but he pretty much gives us evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. If you have ever studied cells, dna, or electrons and molecules how can you not believe in God. (Besides, how could people come up with Circumcision without a God) And once again if God told mankind he existed, we'd loose free will and the point of life. (i can explain that if you want me too) I don't need to prove or disprove my God either.
Hitler was radical, he was crazy, I gaurantee you the majority of Christians don't run around killing jews. Muslims radicals suicide bomb, every idea has their crazies. There are crazy Athiests too.
As for Zeus and Odin. no I can't prove they don't exist. Because I don't know anything about them other than seeing Zeus in Disney's Hercules and a limited greek mythology. (I'm not even exactly sure who Odin is)
Ah, mass genocides and rape are always brought up when trying to disprove God's existance. But if God stopped genocide, he would stop murder, if God stopped murder he'd have to stop stealing next, then lying, then lustfull thoughts, and so on and so on. God grants man FREE WILL, if he does everything we ask him then we would loose free will. Humans can't live without sinning, our life on earth would be pointless without free will. God gave us life and he gave us choices.
Hitler did believe in evolution, which I believe is possible with a God controlling it, and that is why he killed the cripples because he wanted to make the perfect species of man.
And asking me to prove Odin or Zeus exist would be equivalent to asking you to prove my God exists. I don't believe in them and you don't believe in my God.
Why do we have to prove our God exists. Look around you, look at the world, look at life, how can that just happen.
No one is yet to prove God doesn't exist. AND I never said we forget that but we should also realize that it is only a few radicals, or crazy people, that are murdering and claiming it in the name of religion. Extreme Athiests kill for their beliefs too.
I love how people say religion makes the world horrible. But without religion, people would still kill. Sure there are crazy extremist christians who kill people like crusades and stuff.
But honestly, hthe majority of christians strive to make the world a better place. They don't make it worse.
I'm pretty sure I'm not wasting my time while I'm trying to make the world a better place. Following Christian values can only help, unless you're a crazy radical.
How life began is the simplest proof of Gods existence that is the main way it makes a difference in our lives. Other than trying to figure out if God exists...it doesn't matter.
Dude. Seriously. Junglemanchild didn't say any of that. Are you aware that there is more than one person on youtube? And damn, are you EVER going to spell protein right?
I never said I believe it was a thousand years old. All athiests think all Christians do but they all dont. It doesn't even say that in the bible.
Maybe because God doesn't want to tell everyone straight out: "I EXIST" But by making a world so complex with so much beauty if you really listen or look around and look at the facts you can hear him whisper, "I exist."
It isn't "COINCIDENCE". It hasn't been "COINCIDENCE". It isn't going to be "COINCIDENCE". No biologist in their right mind is saying it's "COINCIDENCE".
No one is saying it just happened. It did not just suddenly appear. There are no purple monkeys in your closet plotting your demise.
You can keep chanting this in comments all you like but it's not changing the reality of the world around you. It only shows the level of your education and indoctrination.
Are you a Christian because you just proved my point.
So you are telling me it isn't coincidence. It didn't just suddenly appear. But what makes not a coincidence? A God making it? Maybe you just proved my point! But as far as I know, it is a coincidence without a God because the only way it couldn't be a coincidence was if a God created it because otherwise our life was made by coincidence.
I find this arguement quite funny. LONG ago man thought it was beautiful. And we still have our own opinions. When you see certain things your breath is taken away and you can only be amazed. When you feel just so...i don't know how to describe it. But you can EASILY tell when something is beautiful. Thanks for entertaining me with your arguement, oh yeah, and my arguement was
LIFE HAS SO MANY REQUIREMENTS AND IS SO COMPLEX THAT IT COULDN'T BE A COINCIDENCE.
Again. I'm trying to figure out what you consider life so I can answer your question about when life began. Again. I answered your questions. But I won't answer questions like "didn't you say" when I did not say them.
Again. You are putting words in my mouth mouths and then whining about it when don't want to play your silly game. It's sad.
Yeah, you are saying my questions don't make sense. But didn't you say, something nonliving made something living? Didn't you say that something was a protien? I'm pretty sure you did. Correct me if I'm taking it out of context.
You are being disingenuous. You are just posing them to score points. These questions make no sense and no one will take them seriously.
Let's say you are a christian and I try to convince you not to be one by saying "You know you shouldn't follow Christ because the bible clearly states that he bombed Pearl Harbor."
Then you point out this isn't true.
Then I reply, "Well what about the cave paintings that show Noah's ark was a taco stand."
Even though this video is just a joke, it is still an insult to my intelligence. But as DoctorMeh has explained already, LIFE is subjective. A protein that can reproduce its DNA or RNA pattern, isnt alive, but it is still subject to natural selection (almost everything is), so it will 'evolve' in to whatever you regard as a life form.
God could have explained it to Moses, sure, but then he would then need to explain it to every single person who read the bible. They probably didn't even have fitting words in their language back then!
Okay you keep explaining how it reproduced, BUT WHERE DID IT COME FROM. You said that molecul came from less complex MOLEULES. Explain to me how the first LIVING THING came to be not how it reproduced.
If I may, I think he already has. Reproduction is really what you are looking for. Abiogenesis is not spontaneous generation. A lot of people say chemicals leaped to cells and then say it's bollocks.
But it's more like chemicals--> replicating polymers--> hypercycle--> protobiant--> cells. And I'm sure I'm leaving out 10 other steps.
WTF HOW DID IT FREAKIN GET THERE TO REPRODUCE. LIVING things reproduce. It started with one living thing. Correct? HOW DID THAT LIVING THING APPEAR? THAT IS MY QUESTION. You keep the same thing over and over.
God can explain the universe to his chosen people. But that would take a long time and probably double the size of the bible. For christians, it is irrelevant. The point of the bible is to tell us the story of Jesus, so that we may understand, believe, be better people, and go to heaven.
Are you yelling? No it didn't start with one living thing. You are still insisting that something just "appeared" and asking me to explain it. There is no evidence anything "appeared." Your question is broken, lol.
I think it is irrelevant to christians. Logically if it was important it would be in there and if it's not then it wouldn't be. But this need to disprove what science has found is completely bogus.
Scientists have yet to find anything to disprove the bible. And I find it strange that life forms can have existed forever and randomly decided to change. You don't understand, think about it, they existed FOREVER are they immortal? The only living things that I know of that can have existed sense ever and randomly reproduce millions and evolve are...that doesn't sound like a living thing.
I was yelling because you kept giving me the same answer: Life came from life reproducing...makes sense.
1. "Or it's interpretation is changed"? What does that mean.
So life hasn't always existed. But nonliving things have? (The immortal part not making sense was my point, that you were confusing me)
NOW I LOVE THIS PART!!!!
NONLIVING things suddenly REPRODUCED? Nonliving things reproduce? And get this, A NONLIVING THING MADE LIFE!!!!! So, why aren't nonliving things still making life. And how the fuck does a nonliving thing grow, over time, into humans? Have you seen a map of our organs?
Either one, explain how the universe, earth, or life take your pik.
And it is the word of God but God didn't write it.. Many of his followers did and why would God tell Moses, who wrote much of the old testiment, to write words he couldn't comprehend, how could that possibly help people understand anything?
HOW DID THAT MOLECULE GET THERE. Was something just always alive and just randomly began to create other life forms?
From dust as in he created MAN from nothing, but as for the rest of is creatures it doesn't say. The rib part indicates that man and female are the same. I doubt the bible would have a word translated as mutation because it was written for the people of its time to understand and I doubt Moses would understand animals "mutating".
Coinidene: a striking occurrence of two or more events at one time by chance. And life would be a MAJOR one without aGOD
So what your saying is a fish randomly mutates so that it can survive and then its offspring cary on that mutation. This happens thanks to the environment? So the ENVIRONMENT made the fish grow lungs and feet so it could live on land. This ENVIRONMENT sounds a lot like a GOD.
There was a fish in the video that had a michael phelps legs and stuff, which most would get the idea from that I wasn't totally serious.
The far off meant it seriously isn't that far off. As in, this isn't that far off from what I understand of evolution. Only way evolution could be possible is with a god controlling it and this is kinda a response to Christianity in a Nutshell which did a Strawman to christianity.
Neither. You don't understand it because you don't have enough education on the subject. But if you don't want to understand it because it challenges your faith then I think you should just leave it alone.
That doesn't sound like an explanation and before you start challenging my education why don't you explain to me how NONLIVING gasses that ALWAYS existed decided to create LIFE. That doesn't seem like something an EDUCATED person would believe in.
My lack of understanding? I understand Christianity thoroughly and attempt to see how most athiests think the world was made. Have you ever just stood around in the woods or in a field, maybe even in a city, and just looked. Seen the cars, people, buisinesses, and trash, and roads, and lights, and maybe a butterfly. How that merely be coincidence made from, can I say particles that reacted to each other. How is that possible? THE ONLY EXPLANATION IS A GOD!
I think you are operating under the notion that I'm an atheist or that the Theory of Evolution is an atheistic ideal. I didn't call your understanding of Christianity into question. You don't understand evolution or abiogenesis. The way you are tying all this together is weird and leads me to believe it all comes from the pulpit and not the classroom.
All I'm saying is that if you understood what you were talking about then you could make a better case.
Well it doesn't come from the pulpit and not the classroom either. I gather the information from other videos I have view arguing against Christianity. I believe Evolution isn't totally an athiesti idea but I know I made it sound like I did. I believe evolution is impossible without a God controlling it however and I believe the same with abiogenesis.
My argument is that God made the world, the planets, and everything. I'm not absolutely sure what your argument is?
Eww, that's probably worse than the pulpit. Anyhow, like I said, all I'm saying is that if you understood what you were talking about then you could make a better case. Goodluck
1. Wuts a strawman, and two I think its obvious that it is an EXAGERATION seeing I have a fish with michael phelps but for the most part, it isn't that far off. Enlighten me
How biblical Christianity can be proven wrong:
1: The Bible is said to be 100% the true word of God.
2: The Bible claims that, over a period of a few weeks (?), the entire world was flooded.
3: We look at Geological samples and see no evidence of subsequent erosion, where there should be tons.
Conclusion 1: The Bible is fallible.
4: The Bible is the primary justification for Christian beliefs.
Conclusion 2: Christian beliefs are fallible.
Not hard at all.
mistajames3213 1 year ago
There is no difference. Nychthemeron was more technical. What's your point, did they use that wording?
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
You are right my friend but do not bother arguing with atheists; you are not going to change their mind as they are not going to change yours. Do not throw your pearls before swine.
FiveStarsPerShoulder 2 years ago
I wanna try
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
allow me to demonstrate your own ideology in work:
God made the sun to light the day, and the moon for the night on the 4th day. Yes, it sounds good and all, if he hadn't already created and named light, dark, day and night three days ago.
So, it would seem that God finished creating days on the fourth day... So where the hell did the first three days come from?
but you are still a Christian, arent you? so i just pointlessly through food away trying to feed a pig (which is you)
CrossHeart79 2 years ago
Well, last time I checked pearls were not food. Also a day is a measurement of time, a certain number of hours. So, we've covered what pearls are, and what a day is. Is there anything else you would like to know?
FiveStarsPerShoulder 2 years ago
technically, pearls are worthless. they have whatever value people give it. if we want, we could just throw them out as if it were dirt and no one would know the difference. you wouldnt treat food this way, would you?
also, a day is an interval from sunrise to sunset. to us, a day is 24 hours long. but if you were on Jupiter, for instance, a day would only be 10 hours long. in other words, the measurement is strictly based on the sun and the moon, which didnt exist until the 4th day
CrossHeart79 2 years ago
Thus proving that a day to God is not the same as a day to us. It even says in the bible that a thousand years is as one day to God; which makes sense because the Universe could not have been created in 6 days anyway. And if you don't find pearls to be worth anything, how about I give you a few real ones and you throw them away to pigs.
FiveStarsPerShoulder 2 years ago
Hell give me a few real ones if they aren't worth shit
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
lol I rest my case
FiveStarsPerShoulder 2 years ago
Yeah, no way the creator of the universe knew what a day length was gonna be on the planet he created...duh.
blueraiderfn 2 years ago
He knew. That's not what we're saying. They used days to represent the different fazes the Creation went through.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
okay, now i want you to explain the difference between a day and an nychthemeron.
CrossHeart79 2 years ago
I have no idea what you are talking about but Genisis was written by Moses I believe or atleast someone else from that time and in a different language so I doubt the writer would tell people who don't understand gravity yet that God created the world over millions of years. No they wrote in their way so the people of their time could understand it. I don't get the pig thing and no offense but...are you mentally retarded?
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
i think my comment confuses you. i never said anything about gravity nor Moses. i simply stated an inconsistency in the bible- that days cants pass before they are created. if that is to hard for you to understand than i honestly think that you are a retard unworthy of my or anyone elses attention.
and when i referred to Christiand as pigs as a responce to being called "swine" (whick means pigs), yet you were okay with that. retards (aka, theists) and there double standards. how typical
CrossHeart79 2 years ago
"GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF HOW CHRISTIANITY CAN BE PROVED WRONG AND I WILL 99% OF THE TIME BE ABLE TO PROVE YOU WRONG!"
I don't have to prove you wrong. I did not make the statement that God exists.
It would be like me stating 5 headed monsters exist now prove me wrong!
You need to take a few lessons on the art of constructing a proper argument before you make yourself look like a fool.
Peace
Celticking36 2 years ago
I just dislike how a lot of atheists tell me to give them proof God exists. And felt like turning it around. As for making myself look like a fool, well, I gave that up a long time ago.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
Sorry to say but all evidence points to god not existing.
Celticking36 2 years ago
What evidence is that my friend?
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
God is imaginary.
God is invisible.
God doesn't care whether people live or die & has no direct influence in the world.
There is not a shred of physical proof that God exists.
You can substitute the word God with any other fictitious character & what I wrote will still make sense.
Your religious belief is mostly due to the geographical location of your birthplace.
God is a matter of opinion & not fact.
32,000 denominations of Christianity (opinions)
I could provide a million reasons.
Celticking36 2 years ago
Okay well apparently you've never heard of Jesus because that throws your "God doesn't care whether people live or die & has no direct influence in the world." statement to the fire. As for no evidence to prove God,,,WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM??? And my religious belief springs from the fact that no matter how retarded this sounds, I have felt Gods presence before and I know he exists. No one can convince me otherwise. It'd be like telling my mom isn't real.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
" you've never heard of Jesus "
I have heard of Jesus & if you read your bible you'll see that not even he claimed to be divine. Before Jesus came along there was no hell to be sent to.
"WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM???"
You have the argument backwards my friend.I don't need to prove that he doesn't exist YOU need to PROVE he does otherwise you must also believe in everything that is imaginary until you can prove it not to exist. Where is your evidence?
Celticking36 2 years ago
there's scientific proof. there's the Bible. do you seriously think a person could make up the whole Bible, just to give some sort of false hope to people? no.
how did the universe come to be? it came from nothing? that's not possible. open up your mind before saying anything, please.
daeziyes 2 years ago
"do you seriously think a person could make up the whole Bible,"
Yes
"how did the universe come to be?"
I don't know
"it came from nothing? that's not possible"
OK so where did God come from?
"open up your mind before saying anything, please."
I have now its your turn
Celticking36 2 years ago
And honestly, I don't believe in Hell. I believe in everything in the bible for the most part but I don't believe in Hell. Because from what the bible says about God and all that would seem totally out of character for him to send us to hell. So, atleast we agree on something.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
God made things complicated because if it was simple we could say, "life could just be a coincidence" but when you see life so complex how can you say there isn't a God.
Yeah the circumcision comment was funny but seriously, why would people just feel like making that up without something greater telling them too.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
And no I cannot PROVE christianity's God exists but he pretty much gives us evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. If you have ever studied cells, dna, or electrons and molecules how can you not believe in God. (Besides, how could people come up with Circumcision without a God) And once again if God told mankind he existed, we'd loose free will and the point of life. (i can explain that if you want me too) I don't need to prove or disprove my God either.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
Hitler was radical, he was crazy, I gaurantee you the majority of Christians don't run around killing jews. Muslims radicals suicide bomb, every idea has their crazies. There are crazy Athiests too.
As for Zeus and Odin. no I can't prove they don't exist. Because I don't know anything about them other than seeing Zeus in Disney's Hercules and a limited greek mythology. (I'm not even exactly sure who Odin is)
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
Ah, mass genocides and rape are always brought up when trying to disprove God's existance. But if God stopped genocide, he would stop murder, if God stopped murder he'd have to stop stealing next, then lying, then lustfull thoughts, and so on and so on. God grants man FREE WILL, if he does everything we ask him then we would loose free will. Humans can't live without sinning, our life on earth would be pointless without free will. God gave us life and he gave us choices.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
Hitler did believe in evolution, which I believe is possible with a God controlling it, and that is why he killed the cripples because he wanted to make the perfect species of man.
And asking me to prove Odin or Zeus exist would be equivalent to asking you to prove my God exists. I don't believe in them and you don't believe in my God.
Why do we have to prove our God exists. Look around you, look at the world, look at life, how can that just happen.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
No one is yet to prove God doesn't exist. AND I never said we forget that but we should also realize that it is only a few radicals, or crazy people, that are murdering and claiming it in the name of religion. Extreme Athiests kill for their beliefs too.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
I love how people say religion makes the world horrible. But without religion, people would still kill. Sure there are crazy extremist christians who kill people like crusades and stuff.
But honestly, hthe majority of christians strive to make the world a better place. They don't make it worse.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
I'm pretty sure I'm not wasting my time while I'm trying to make the world a better place. Following Christian values can only help, unless you're a crazy radical.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
i really don't see the point of trying to find how life began because its not going to make any difference to our lives is it
05tpull 2 years ago
How life began is the simplest proof of Gods existence that is the main way it makes a difference in our lives. Other than trying to figure out if God exists...it doesn't matter.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
I don't really mind you laughing at me because you still have yet to give me an answer that hasn't made me laugh except for:
protien made life
life always existed
galaxis are spontaneously created from nothing
and why wouldn't god create a simple world
I personally love the first one.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
Dude. Seriously. Junglemanchild didn't say any of that. Are you aware that there is more than one person on youtube? And damn, are you EVER going to spell protein right?
DoctorMeh 2 years ago
You as in everyone laughing at me. He said we, I supposed he was talking about the viewers. And the viewers that commented did say that.
And I honestly don't care how protein is spelled. (But I got it right this time hope you enjoy)
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
I never said I believe it was a thousand years old. All athiests think all Christians do but they all dont. It doesn't even say that in the bible.
Maybe because God doesn't want to tell everyone straight out: "I EXIST" But by making a world so complex with so much beauty if you really listen or look around and look at the facts you can hear him whisper, "I exist."
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
It isn't "COINCIDENCE". It hasn't been "COINCIDENCE". It isn't going to be "COINCIDENCE". No biologist in their right mind is saying it's "COINCIDENCE".
No one is saying it just happened. It did not just suddenly appear. There are no purple monkeys in your closet plotting your demise.
You can keep chanting this in comments all you like but it's not changing the reality of the world around you. It only shows the level of your education and indoctrination.
DoctorMeh 2 years ago
Are you a Christian because you just proved my point.
So you are telling me it isn't coincidence. It didn't just suddenly appear. But what makes not a coincidence? A God making it? Maybe you just proved my point! But as far as I know, it is a coincidence without a God because the only way it couldn't be a coincidence was if a God created it because otherwise our life was made by coincidence.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
If your point was that you were chanting that science claims life is just coincidence, that might make sense.
DoctorMeh 2 years ago
Science in general doesn't. But the theories that science has presented of how life was created claim it was coincidence.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
Holy shit, you're hopeless.
DoctorMeh 2 years ago
So you don't think the theory of evolution and the big bang theory two are both coincidences that it ends up with us?
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
Nope.
DoctorMeh 2 years ago
I find this arguement quite funny. LONG ago man thought it was beautiful. And we still have our own opinions. When you see certain things your breath is taken away and you can only be amazed. When you feel just so...i don't know how to describe it. But you can EASILY tell when something is beautiful. Thanks for entertaining me with your arguement, oh yeah, and my arguement was
LIFE HAS SO MANY REQUIREMENTS AND IS SO COMPLEX THAT IT COULDN'T BE A COINCIDENCE.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
I have a question for you:
Would you define life as something that reproduces, has growth through metabolism, ability to react to its environment, and respire?
DoctorMeh 2 years ago
I geuss and now that you think you have me trapped somehow by this question, you still haven't answered my questions.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
Again. I'm trying to figure out what you consider life so I can answer your question about when life began. Again. I answered your questions. But I won't answer questions like "didn't you say" when I did not say them.
Again. You are putting words in my mouth mouths and then whining about it when don't want to play your silly game. It's sad.
DoctorMeh 2 years ago
Yeah, you are saying my questions don't make sense. But didn't you say, something nonliving made something living? Didn't you say that something was a protien? I'm pretty sure you did. Correct me if I'm taking it out of context.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
"But didn't you say, something nonliving made something living?"
Nope, did a text search of this page. That's what you are saying.
"Didn't you say that something was a protien?"
Nope, did a text search. You again.
DoctorMeh 2 years ago
You are being disingenuous. You are just posing them to score points. These questions make no sense and no one will take them seriously.
Let's say you are a christian and I try to convince you not to be one by saying "You know you shouldn't follow Christ because the bible clearly states that he bombed Pearl Harbor."
Then you point out this isn't true.
Then I reply, "Well what about the cave paintings that show Noah's ark was a taco stand."
You get it? You picking up what I'm laying down?
DoctorMeh 2 years ago
So we came from protiens? Protiens decided to live, wait, you said they aren't alive. So protiens decided to make living thinks.
Protien can make life and Jesus can't walk on water. What a world we live in.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
Even though this video is just a joke, it is still an insult to my intelligence. But as DoctorMeh has explained already, LIFE is subjective. A protein that can reproduce its DNA or RNA pattern, isnt alive, but it is still subject to natural selection (almost everything is), so it will 'evolve' in to whatever you regard as a life form.
emiliation123 2 years ago
God could have explained it to Moses, sure, but then he would then need to explain it to every single person who read the bible. They probably didn't even have fitting words in their language back then!
Okay you keep explaining how it reproduced, BUT WHERE DID IT COME FROM. You said that molecul came from less complex MOLEULES. Explain to me how the first LIVING THING came to be not how it reproduced.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
If I may, I think he already has. Reproduction is really what you are looking for. Abiogenesis is not spontaneous generation. A lot of people say chemicals leaped to cells and then say it's bollocks.
But it's more like chemicals--> replicating polymers--> hypercycle--> protobiant--> cells. And I'm sure I'm leaving out 10 other steps.
DoctorMeh 2 years ago
WTF HOW DID IT FREAKIN GET THERE TO REPRODUCE. LIVING things reproduce. It started with one living thing. Correct? HOW DID THAT LIVING THING APPEAR? THAT IS MY QUESTION. You keep the same thing over and over.
God can explain the universe to his chosen people. But that would take a long time and probably double the size of the bible. For christians, it is irrelevant. The point of the bible is to tell us the story of Jesus, so that we may understand, believe, be better people, and go to heaven.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
Are you yelling? No it didn't start with one living thing. You are still insisting that something just "appeared" and asking me to explain it. There is no evidence anything "appeared." Your question is broken, lol.
I think it is irrelevant to christians. Logically if it was important it would be in there and if it's not then it wouldn't be. But this need to disprove what science has found is completely bogus.
DoctorMeh 2 years ago
Scientists have yet to find anything to disprove the bible. And I find it strange that life forms can have existed forever and randomly decided to change. You don't understand, think about it, they existed FOREVER are they immortal? The only living things that I know of that can have existed sense ever and randomly reproduce millions and evolve are...that doesn't sound like a living thing.
I was yelling because you kept giving me the same answer: Life came from life reproducing...makes sense.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
"Scientists have yet to find anything to disprove the bible."
-Or it's interpretation is changed.
"And I find it strange that life forms can have existed forever and randomly decided to change."
-That's because it's not true.
"You don't understand, think about it, they existed FOREVER are they immortal?
-This doesn't make any sense to me.
"Life came from life reproducing...makes sense."
-No, life came from nonliving things that reproduced.
DoctorMeh 2 years ago
1. "Or it's interpretation is changed"? What does that mean.
So life hasn't always existed. But nonliving things have? (The immortal part not making sense was my point, that you were confusing me)
NOW I LOVE THIS PART!!!!
NONLIVING things suddenly REPRODUCED? Nonliving things reproduce? And get this, A NONLIVING THING MADE LIFE!!!!! So, why aren't nonliving things still making life. And how the fuck does a nonliving thing grow, over time, into humans? Have you seen a map of our organs?
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
Either one, explain how the universe, earth, or life take your pik.
And it is the word of God but God didn't write it.. Many of his followers did and why would God tell Moses, who wrote much of the old testiment, to write words he couldn't comprehend, how could that possibly help people understand anything?
HOW DID THAT MOLECULE GET THERE. Was something just always alive and just randomly began to create other life forms?
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
Explain how the world was made without a God.
From dust as in he created MAN from nothing, but as for the rest of is creatures it doesn't say. The rib part indicates that man and female are the same. I doubt the bible would have a word translated as mutation because it was written for the people of its time to understand and I doubt Moses would understand animals "mutating".
Coinidene: a striking occurrence of two or more events at one time by chance. And life would be a MAJOR one without aGOD
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
YOU DIDN'T EXPLAIN ANYTHING.
I said my God created the earth and animals through evolution or however he wanted.
You say everything is a coincidence. HOLY SHIT THATS A BIG COINCIDENCE.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
So what your saying is a fish randomly mutates so that it can survive and then its offspring cary on that mutation. This happens thanks to the environment? So the ENVIRONMENT made the fish grow lungs and feet so it could live on land. This ENVIRONMENT sounds a lot like a GOD.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
So the environment tells the fish to grow stronger fin muscles and a lungs so you can crawl up onto the land?
Ah yes, intelligent design is a REDICULOUS idea.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
There was a fish in the video that had a michael phelps legs and stuff, which most would get the idea from that I wasn't totally serious.
The far off meant it seriously isn't that far off. As in, this isn't that far off from what I understand of evolution. Only way evolution could be possible is with a god controlling it and this is kinda a response to Christianity in a Nutshell which did a Strawman to christianity.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
"this isn't that far off from what I understand of evolution." This is key.
DoctorMeh 2 years ago
Okay...what is that supposed to mean? Are you agreeing with me or mocking me?
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
Neither. You don't understand it because you don't have enough education on the subject. But if you don't want to understand it because it challenges your faith then I think you should just leave it alone.
DoctorMeh 2 years ago
That doesn't sound like an explanation and before you start challenging my education why don't you explain to me how NONLIVING gasses that ALWAYS existed decided to create LIFE. That doesn't seem like something an EDUCATED person would believe in.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
I can't. Gases didn't always exist. Gases don't decide things. I don't think it's understood in any science that gasses created life.
Again, you're expressing your lack of understanding. I don't have to challenge it. *shrug*
DoctorMeh 2 years ago
My lack of understanding? I understand Christianity thoroughly and attempt to see how most athiests think the world was made. Have you ever just stood around in the woods or in a field, maybe even in a city, and just looked. Seen the cars, people, buisinesses, and trash, and roads, and lights, and maybe a butterfly. How that merely be coincidence made from, can I say particles that reacted to each other. How is that possible? THE ONLY EXPLANATION IS A GOD!
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
I think you are operating under the notion that I'm an atheist or that the Theory of Evolution is an atheistic ideal. I didn't call your understanding of Christianity into question. You don't understand evolution or abiogenesis. The way you are tying all this together is weird and leads me to believe it all comes from the pulpit and not the classroom.
All I'm saying is that if you understood what you were talking about then you could make a better case.
DoctorMeh 2 years ago
Well it doesn't come from the pulpit and not the classroom either. I gather the information from other videos I have view arguing against Christianity. I believe Evolution isn't totally an athiesti idea but I know I made it sound like I did. I believe evolution is impossible without a God controlling it however and I believe the same with abiogenesis.
My argument is that God made the world, the planets, and everything. I'm not absolutely sure what your argument is?
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
Eww, that's probably worse than the pulpit. Anyhow, like I said, all I'm saying is that if you understood what you were talking about then you could make a better case. Goodluck
DoctorMeh 2 years ago
But tell me, do you honestly believe that all this is a coincidence.
This being EVERYTHING
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
No, I don't.
DoctorMeh 2 years ago
Then how can you not believe in a God?
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
Who said I didn't?
DoctorMeh 2 years ago
So you do believe in a God. Yes or No.
Are you Christian or just believe in a God or what religion.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
1. Wuts a strawman, and two I think its obvious that it is an EXAGERATION seeing I have a fish with michael phelps but for the most part, it isn't that far off. Enlighten me
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
How could this possibly makes sense to be a parody of Christianity...that doesn't even make sense.
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago
Not that long, I had no homework and watched some video hatin on God so I was all worked up and made it...I WAS VERY BORED!!!
DeadSquirrelPro 2 years ago