@Funpants94 Haul ass...Magic was not a great defender. Larry was pretty alright on defense. MJ was a shut down defender...ole dumbass! He was defensive player of the year in 1988 and he was on 9 all NBA defensive teams(NBA record). MJ is third on the all time NBA's steals list. MJ is the best defender. Ole dumbass! And MJ can rebound!
I think he is better than Wilt considering Wilt was probably the biggest ball whore in the history of sports, then he got assist crazy and started not making any shots and just letting his teammates do everything, he was a 'hollywood player' who played for show. He swatted shots away like he spiked a volleyball but never tipped it toward his teammates like Bill Russel did. Kareem is number six, and i think that Hakeem is better overall by a very CLOSE margin, thats just me.
I think Russel is the second best because he was probably the greatest defensive center of all time with all the blocks he had and the unreal rebounding performances, also Russel had more MVP's and Wilt ever did, not to mention that Russel had 11 championships in 13 years, two of which were won by being a team captain and a head coach. Also Shaq admits that he couldnt guard Hakeem, just watch the segment when they are discussing about who is better Hakeem or Ewing
I don't deal in what ifs, however im still positive that Shaq could not have guarded Hakeem, he was just too creative in the post and was too smart. However with Shaq being an other worldly beast when it comes to strength...im not sure that Hakeem could guard Shaq, however again i dont deal in what ifs
How good you are is determined in the first 3 quarters, but greatness comes in the clutch. If you think someone is GREATER than Michael Jordan, ask yourself (honestly) would you choose to have that player take the last shot instead of MJ?
@miko4137 there are times when an offensive comparison between kobe and jordan is understandable. there is never a time when one can compare them defensively. jordan was far ahead of kobe
1st-elmagicomessi is str8 CRAZY 4 putting Kobe b4 Mike. I think he did th@ 4 attention. 2nd- Jordan is the only player to this day to win League MVP, All Star MVP, & Finals MVP all in the SAME year! He 3peated 2 times in 1 decade (notice the countdown) which made his career a SIXcess! When he came in the pros every1 said "The Next Dr.J"- but he became His Airness...an ORIGINAL!
Its hard to say who the best is if you really think about it. I cant easily say MJ is the greatest. MJ was a better positional defensive player than both Magic and Bird meaning he could gaurd players one on one better but Bird played great team defense and was a better reb than both Magic and MJ. We all know Magic is the best passer but who the greatest is idk....its a team game I but i would choose both Bird and Magic over MJ
@VERACITYxv - Probably a handful of guys before Kobe...Magic was great. As was Bird. Then you think about the big men...Russell, Wilt, Kareem.
I just think Kobe's a little overrated and only has 5 rings because he played with the most dominant big man of his time. Still a great player but not number 2.
@222333aaaaaa Kobe in his prime I would def say he was #2 but his game has dropped alot the last 2-3 years. This is a debate that could go on forever though lets just agree Jordan is #1. 2-10 is up for debate!
Jordan was an all around player. Defensively and offensively. Worked harder than the average, had heart for the game gazillion times more than any of players ever played. I remember watching him scoring over 40 pts in a game when he had a flu or high fever. Most wouldn't even dare leave the bed. But he played through the entire game and won the game for his teammates. Steve kerr is right. Jordan is the greatest of all time because of the tremendous amount of will to win and heart for the game.
This topic don't really have an answer, because basketball is a team sport(in my opinion). And throughout the years, rules changed, the game style also changed. I would like it if they have a topic about greatest team though, it's gonna be hilarious and we can see their opinions as a professional basketball player/analyst ( for some ).
its funny how this great players are just throwing away the "greatest" label on MJ which is the most legit proof on the validity and legitimacy that he is the GOAT and yet some people are still trying to say otherwise...
if u want some legit answers then this are the men that holds the truth and not some kobetard fans or youtube wannabe reporters, and some stupid espn analyst's...
how do u not start your franchise....with the best player!?! Lmao!! For those that didnt pick mike.....i bet they will never get a gm job!!! LMAO!!! SMH!!!
You can argue whichever you would rather start a team with, but every single guy in this video said INDIVIDUALLY Mike is the greatest ever, and on top of that Larry and Magic both said Mike was the greatest ever, and Mike says, well Mike says he, himself is the greatest player, Lol go figure ;)
I'll agree Michael is the greatest but for Chuck to say that its not even close and that his numbers are way better is just not true. And Michael had a great team around him just like magic larry
Here is my take. I love Larry Bird, he is my favorite player.
But I think MJ is the best that ever played. He can dribble out of PGs, shoot better than SGs, can play tough D like an SF, and even challenges + goes thru Cs. He is so all rounded from shots to dunks to defense, that's why he's the best.
My favorite player is bird because of his sheer creativity. Just look at his passes and shots selections. It's so unorthodox, but it works so well, and it amazes me. As a SG myself, Bird is my #1!
so all the wHite people are mad now because they didnt pick bird?..you guys are idiots AND THE WORST...mj is arguably the best player ever ..there is no debating about that ..and yes magic was better then bird not by much BUT HE WAS BETTER .even bird will tell you that ........PERIOD
do yall think they sit there and think " oh im not gonna pick bird because he is white".PATHETIC just because you idiots make everythink about race doesnt mean the rest is as dumb as you are.
yea fuck all those retards making association about race. it is about the player and the sport. it has nothing to do with the race. wake the fuck up people
@tommybrown187 Actually, Larry was ranked 84th on all time defenders.....while Magic and Jordan are ranked over 100. Bird was a better rebounder than both Jordan and Magic. Bird averaged more assists than Jordan. Larry was the better outside shooter, he had a higher 3 point field goal percentage and better free throw percentage. I'm just saying Bird was doing certain things that both Magic and Jordan weren't doing. I knew none of these guys would vote for him. I mean not even 1 vote?
@Flipper79able look at the career numbers. bird had about 7 great years. he won 3 rings. mike and magic both better numbers and more rings. so case closed on that. and ppl didnt like larry bird because he was a PRICK!!! lol everybody know bird was a prick. the MEDIA didnt like larry bird!!! other players didnt like him cause he talked shit. yes more than mike and magic. so what are you talking about?
@tommybrown187 I disagree. Magic and Jordan had more awards than Bird as fare as rings and MVP's.....but Larry was putting up numbers in certain areas that Jordan or Magic wasn't doing. I just think it's strange for these shows to vote on these things where there is always AT LEAST one person who says they hate Larry. Why even vote? Larry didn't talk to the press in college after that he always talked to the press & Jordan was known to talk just as much trash so don't even start with that.
@tommybrown187 P.S. Do you really think the reason Shaq and Kobe didn't like Larry is because he wouldn't talk to the press or they heard he talked trash on the basketball court? Get the fuck out here with that tired bullshit. The reasons a lot of people didn't like Larry are not what you pretend. I don't know the real reasons people disliked him but it doesn't matter....he's not going to get acknowledgement on a show like this.
@Flipper79able no they didnt like him cause he is notoriously an asshole. go look up jackie mcmullins book she did on/with him. also ppl dont like kobe. its alot of great players ppl dont like. white ppl just love larry bird because he was the great white hope. 1 of the few really great all players that are white. which is understandable, i aint mad at that. so they are over-protective and delusional about his stance and rank in history. dude bird was great but he was no mike nor magic.
@tommybrown187 I was wondering when the race issue was going to be brought up. Look man, I live 30 minutes from Boston.The Celtics are my home team. I love Larry because he led us to 3 championships. My favorite players today are Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen. I probably would have loved Magic if I was from L.A. I really can't understand why I have never in MY LIFE heard a black person say something positive about Larry,why? Jordan and Magic are great, I can admit that. Is it so hard?
@Flipper79able lol its not a race issue. it is race tho. larry bird was a great white player. if he were black he'd still be great but he wouldnt be as legendary. kinda like if his last name was smith instead of bird. him being white and a great player had alot to do with his popularity. kinda like the rapper eminem. he'd be the 1st to tell u. ive HEARD him say it. those old celtic teams and those old laker teams were race things. not issues but evolutions in sports
@tommybrown187 Keep in mind-if Larry Bird wasn't white he'd be black. Larry's only weakness was that he was a slow white guy (I'm white). If he was black, he'd probably be faster and more explosive. He would have no weaknesses, and all of his strengths would be enhanced. Hell, he was unguardable as a slow guy who couldn't jump-imagine if defenders had to worry about him blowing past them and dunking on someone. He would be a legend, because he'd be the greatest basketball player of all time.
@tyenolam bird was a great because he was 6 9 could shoot BUT he knew how to play. talented players become great players once they know how to play. although a game of running and jumping its about 70% mental
@Flipper79able idk why anytime even mentions a person is white or black having an effect on something its a race "issue". its just is what it is. i probably wouldnt remember bird as much if he were larry smith and black. why? because thats what made him stand out. just like if magic johnson name was tom johnson. our appearance and perceptions is part of our appeal. thats life. not a negative thing just a truth thing
@tommybrown187 Your getting caught up in a word.....it doesn't matter what you call it. You said it's not a race issue.....but it does have to do with race. What's the difference? I wanted to talk about basketball and know we're getting caught up in a word. You didn't answer my questions by the way. I told you I'm from Boston and would root for the Celtics regardless of color and that's the truth. I wish everyone could do that. Anyway I still think Larry stats match up...you can look it up.
@tommybrown187 Look at it this way. If I liked Larry only cause he's white....my favorite player right now would be Dirk Nowizki......but he isn't. My favorite players are all Celtics and all black. Dirk is an All Star but he's no Larry Bird. I think it's crazy people compare the two. Bird had 3 MVP's, 3 Championships, 2 Finals MVP's, 1 All-Star MVP, 3 Three Point Championships he's rank 7th in all time triple doubles, ect. You can't argue with that and say he only has that cause he's white.
@Flipper79able 1st of all dirk doesnt have nearly the appeal bird has. 2ndly however you choose to look at it you're bias. we can go any direction on this topc and you'd still be bias. you're a celtic fan so how could you have an unbias conversation about larry bird? thats like talking to a lakers fan about kobe today. regardless the numbers or rings they think he's the greatest
@tommybrown187 No no no. I probably am bias but I'm bias because he plays for my favorite team not because of his race. I also think he is good enough statistically to have got one vote for christ sake. We can agree to disagree but that's just my opinion.
@tyenolam thats hard to say because usually unathletic guys become better shooters out of necessity just like athletic guys dont shoot as well because they depend on athleticism. plus magic who is black wasnt the most explose athletic guy either. nor was he a great shooter but he KNEW how to play bball. basketball is a funny sport man everyone has talent but maybe only 30% of dudes know how to play. MJ was the 1st guy with crazy athleticism that KNEW how to play.
@tommybrown187 I was having that conversation with my friend and we went over that point. Most people wouldn't focus on their shot if they had athleticism. Larry Bird squeezed every bit of potential out of his body; he would have done the same even if he had Mike's. And agreed on MJ's combination of athleticism (unparalleled), fundamentals, and work ethic.
@Flipper79able and i dont have to exaggerate or anything. u can go to the all time rank numbers on any bball site and look at the #s. bird isnt in their league
@tommybrown187 P.S. Your wrong about the stats thing too. Look at the stats......really go look them up. Magic and Bird are so similar it's scary. Magic had more steals. Bird had more blocks. Magic had more assists. Bird had more rebounds. Bird also had more points. His outside shot is better, his 3 point and free throw shooting was better. Magic outlasted Bird in the last 4 years getting a few more awards but if you really look at their stats they are very, very similar.
@Flipper79able Bird is the greatest PF ever. I don't think any PF would get picked to start a team. If so then Bird would be it. Typically in the NBA, the best position to start a team with would be Center, PG. Magic is a shoe in because he's an oversize PG. Of course MJ was from another planet, so obviously he would be mentioned. And I don't think any other SG in history would have made it in front of Bird. Bird wasn't picked because of his position.
@NBAGOATS I don't know man......I mean he was barley mentioned. I think some people just dislike Bird......and Larry was doing some things that Magic and Jordan weren't doing. I just thought it would have been interesting to have someone say they liked Bird..... every show that talks about this stuff has one guy saying they hate Bird. It just doesn't seem like a person who hates a player is going to vote fairly.
@tommybrown187 P.S.- It's strange because I've heard a lot of current and past NBA players say "I used to hate Larry" just like Shaq. Ask them why they hated him and they can't give you a real answer other than they liked Magic better. When someone hates you right off the bat.....you know they're not going to get a fair vote. It's like some kind of sick joke.
i could sit around and read all these comments on youtube coming from these "experts" in the comment section. BUT im just gonna watch the video and listen to people who have been there and done that. Barkley, Shaq, Reggie, Kerr, and Kenny. the others can suck my dick. They were/afraid of jordan
The only color that should matter on the court is the color of his jersey.So no, the reason Larry Bird wasn't chosen wasn't because he was white, its because he couldn't even begin to touch the skill level MJ and Magic had.
for people saying magic and bird had better teammates, don't forget that the 80s was also tougher than the 90s, the bulls took 4 seasons just to get past the pistons in the 80s...
it depends on the point of view. bulls was maturing, so was jordan. piston were aging a little by little. the balance of power have shifted even since nba started. but i agree that the 90s is a tad bit watered down compared to the 80s. and now it is even worse.
@veksink mj won 3 titles, took 2 years off and won another 3?
who does that? 6 finals mvp. DAMN. the best defensive guard ever and arguably 1 of the best defenders ever. CMON SON. switch mj and magic around. damn mj with worthy and kareem? 11 titles? magic and pippen? 0 titles.
@bobbayy23 jordan and kareem?? lmao, that would never work, talk about egos clashing, and the 80s was a much tougher era than the 90s, why do you think it took jordan and pippen 4 straight years of getting beat up by the pistons before they even made it to the finals? a young healthy magic would dominate in the 90s, who would stop him?? he revolutionized the point guard position, a 6'8 point that can play all five positions? who does that?
@RohoicRamz94 let's not forget how much more basketball magic played than micheal by 91..magic played in what? like 6 or 7 nba finals in 10 years? he won it all in h.s., college and the nba within 4 years? he's what top 2 or 3 in total triple doubles? we could argue all day they're both two of the best ever, they both had different roles on different teams, I think it really boils down to personal opinion...
"I start my team with a point guard and a center." Usually i would agree but when you can pick the best leader of all time and overall player, why take magic? even though magics a beast :)
i was watching this on nba tv like 20 mins ago and had to look this up again on youtube to watch michael jordan at 6:36 DAMN MJ!!! he went ha on ewing!!!
@jongib369 you're absolutely right, kareem had 6 rings, russell greatest winner in nba history, wilt statistical monster, oscar incredible point guard...
Personally if I were to start a team out of those 3, I think the best decision is to go with the best player, MJ, either way you look at it you cant go wrong with either choice.
In terms of Greatest Ever. No question, Michael Jordan is heads and shoulders above everybody (Even Magic says so!). However, as for starting a Team, honestly, I would choose MJ without question, but lets please get something straight.
Even if you chose to pick Magic, or Larry instead of Jordan, its not like its bad. Any of these three players would be an excellent choice and in terms of building a team around one of these players, their is no wrong choice.
Charles brings up a great point. Bird and Magic played with a couple of hall of fame players and had great Centers. Michael Jordan won 6 Championships without a bonafide legitimate big man in center. That even makes his rings more amazing. MJ made the players around him 10x better. Once they left Chicago they were forgotten.
MJ is the clear choice when starting a new team because you don't have to need the Center to work with him. Bird and Magic does.
In 1984, Coach Bob Knight was coming off a gold-medal Olympic run with Michael Jordan. Knight was friends with then Portland Trailblazer GM, Stu Inman, and called to sell him on Jordan as their first pick in the upcoming NBA draft. With Clyde Drexler already on the team, Inman had other plans.
Inman: "We need a center."
Bob Knight: "Then draft Jordan, and play him at center."
Anyone could make the case for Larry Bird being the best out of the three as well. Magic didnt fear/respect anyone more during his era and Bird would kill Jordan everytime they played. Forget about who they played with and think about the player.
@KevinLem0n2015 this the most amateurish analysis i ever heard.magic is better then bird not by much but he is better ..and bird played against jordan when he came fresh into the league ..jordan in his prime would trash bird in his prime ..and thats a fact ..even bird said that once...so go to sleep and lay off the drugs
@anerres No, it's exactly what they said. Magic due to his position and style of play is going to do a better job of making the guys around him better. Jordan may be the better player, but Jordan with a team of scrubs will "get his" and might get them in with a low playoff seed, but put Magic on a team of scrubs and they'll be more competitive. Now if I've got another great talent and smart role players then Jordan is the guy, but to build a team of possible scrubs... it's Magic.
@Hotobu Jordan took his low-talent team to the eastern conference finals every year from 86-90. he lost four times until beating the pistons when pippen got better. in the four times he lost, he had virtually nobody. so to say that he would get them just a low playoff seed is insulting. You're right on ur other points. But I think to build a team around a player like magic, mj or bird would be epic. any of the 3 would be terrific.
@Hotobu Are you stupid? Magic had better talent around him when he went to the Lakers. He had Kareem and Worthy on his team and a hall of fame coach in Pat Riley. MJ didn't have nobody when he first played with the Bulls.
@anerres Thats stupid.... Bird wasnt chosen because he had the greatest starting lineup of all time. 3 HOF's. Mchale, Parish, himself, and other GREAT players around him... MJ scored 63 pts against that Great Celtic team WITHOUT PIPPEN or RODMAN!
The rest of the guys "magic, Bird" had HOF centers a great benches... MJ NEVER had those luxuries And still WON. His will alone carried the team, and as result.... Has more rings than Larry and Magic. Thats why MJ is Number 1.
@JuneJay16 He didn't carry squat. Jordan had a temamate that scored 22 PPG on 55% and couldn't get out of the first round.
It wasn't until the best all around defender of all time and a Top 25 Player in Pippen came along that Jordan won. Pippen's defense on Magic in the 91 Finals is arguably the reason why the Lakers didn't go on to win the series. And Rodman shutting down Kemp in the Finals saved Jordan's ass once Payton started shutting Jordan down.
@shadow1dx he didnt carry squat? thats crazy... Because according to everyone who has ever played with him, says "he made us better" he gave open looks to kerr and all the other shooters. He has been the scoring champion 10 times. has been the Defensive player of the year... what other GAURD has held both honors? hmmmm....NO ONE! He has the highest scoring average in HISTORY! what do you mean he didnt carry the team? Who hit more clutch shots? who hit game winners? who was finals MVP 6 TIMES? MJ
@JuneJay16 Volume scoring isn't carry anything or else Allen Iverson would be in consideration in that regard.
You obviously don't know the concept of CARRYING a team. Duncan CARRIED a team in 03. Wade CARRIED a team in 06. Hakeem CARRIED a team his two years. Jordan had another Top 25 player in Pippen. The year Jordan left for baseball, Pippen showed the world how great of a player he is. To say that Jordan carried Pippen is an ignorant thing to say. What an insult to the HOF Pippen.
@shadow1dx pippen showed the world how great he was.... How many rings did he get without MJ? 1, 2, 3? NO. not even one. Mike carried the bulls to the playoffs for years before scottie.To combat your point earlier about Mike having a guy scoring 22.ppg tell the whole story, that was the year MJ broke his foot. He returned to the lineup the last quarter of the season. And had the worst record of any team in the playoffs that year. Bulls got eliminated 1st round without help from Orlando Woolridge
@JuneJay16 You praise Jordan for taking the Bulls to the Playoffs without Pippen but you criticize Pippen for that? How stupid. Not to mention you're basing Pippen's success on rings.
Jordan left with training camps right around the corner and do you know who took his spot? Pete Myers. Yes the great Pete Myers. Pippen was Top 5 in MVP Voting and was a bad call away from taking the Bulls to the Finals WITHOUT Jordan that season. Jordan did nothing of that caliber without Pippen.
@shadow1dx I've only been half ass on the pointless debate... But i'll say this, who else was on that team when MJ left in '94?
Pippen, B.J armstrong, Bill Cartwright, Steve Kerr, Horace Grant, Toni Kukoc, Luc Longley, and Pax. They were Championship caliber at that time... Pippen couldnt deliver.
Now, let me tell you who MJ had when he took his team the Playoffs.
MJ, a rookie pete meyers, and Charles Oakley (who only had 1 year under his belt)
@JuneJay16 So you admit that team WITHOUT Jordan is capable of winning a title? Then how exactly did Jordan CARRY such a stacked team? You just validated my earlier point. Hook, line and sinker.
And obviously you've been giving me half assed answers and you still are. The moment you ask "HOW MANY RINGZ DID HE WIN?" in response o the success of a player's success you show your lack of basketball IQ.
@shadow1dx Do you deny that? Im not saying that Pip wasnt good. But when the bulls had MJ and Pip, the bulls won 3 rings... When the bulls got Rodman, they won 3 more rings.
Pippen had his time to show that he was great, with a GREAT supporting cast. and DID NOT COME THROUGH. MJ had virtually NO HELP, NO SUPPORTING CAST he made the playoffs... Come on. If you dont understand that, then we may have to agree, to disagree. With support, Pip couldnt do it. With support, MJ did.
@JuneJay16 Jordan had good players around him and was a first round gatekeeper. The Detroit Pitons left him crying at the back of the bus.
Pippen took a team that was shellshocked without it's main offensive option and nearly took them to the FINALS. I take leading your team to deep playoff runs more impressive than leading them to first round exists.
Michael Jordan is 1-9 in playoff games with 0 series victories without Scottie Pippen. 44% record career+post season without Pippen.
@shadow1dx MJ had good players around him on the '85-86 team........ who? Who is name worthy, who on that team has name reconigition, besides the two that i named?
Im also saying that ANYONE couldve taken that STAR STACKED TEAM, with the BEST COACH EVER, deep into the playoffs... Thats not immensely impressive to me.
@JuneJay16 Again I'll ask the question. How could Jordan CARRY a STAR STACKED TEAM WITH THE BEACH COACH EVER?
Damn, that Jordan sure is lucky he got to play with so much damn talent huh? Maybe that team carried HIM huh? Especially since ANYONE could take that team deep into the Playoffs.
Again, Michael Jordan is 1-9 in playoff games with 0 series victories without Scottie Pippen. 44% record career+post season without Pippen.
@shadow1dx Ok. we are just talking in circles here. You have you're opinion, and i have mine... But, when some of the greatest of all time were asked, who is the greatest player ever.... MJ's name reigns supreme. That's a fact.
And when you ask people if Pippen is a Top 15-20 player all time they'd agree. That's a fact. And if people are questioned if what Pippen did in '94 was impressive most would say yes. That's a fact.
@shadow1dx you must be an idiot or drunk on pippen's man juice to think that jordan had good players around him when he was the "first round gatekeeper". also ridiculous how you are trying to hang on to the pistons,when it was arguably pippens play that caused those losses,including his pathetic 1-10 effort in the close out game of 1990 and pussying out in game 6 vs the pistons in 1989. you have no room to talk about jordans early career losses if you are comparing him to pippen
@shadow1dx lmao!what? i didnt deny that jordan had a lot of bad games. i brought up pippen's shortcomings vs detroit because you were penalizing jordan for those losses. simple.
but let's play your game:check out what pippen did in the 1996 finals:pippen=94 points on 99 shot attempts, including a god-awful 11 ppg on %25 in the bulls losses. .390% in the 96 playoffs?
what was pippen doing in the 1998 nba finals game 6?8 points??and the 1998 nba finals?.410%?and 1997 game 6?.353?
@netcap001 Except scoring wasn't Pippen's role. Pippen was the natural playmaker for the Bulls and their primary defender. And Pippen had a bad back in the 98 Finals.
@shadow1dx he was the clear #2 option. actually,any team being held to championship standards needs a capable scorer other than their best. apart from olajuwon in 1994, i dont know of anyone who won without a good number 2 option...
as for pippen being the natural playmaker,you are right if you are referring to the second three peat years.
@shadow1dx might be right about duncan,but wade certainly had a legit number two option. one series does not prove much, considering pippen averaged 15 ppg in the 96 finals. o'neal averaged over 18 ppg in the postseason,more than pippen did in 96 and 98.
i hope you wouldn't say that the lakers had no legit #2 option in 2000 looking at the finals numbers...
Jordan was the best scorer but I would pick Bird or Magic. They can defend and rebound better tehn him
Funpants94 19 hours ago
@Funpants94 Haul ass...Magic was not a great defender. Larry was pretty alright on defense. MJ was a shut down defender...ole dumbass! He was defensive player of the year in 1988 and he was on 9 all NBA defensive teams(NBA record). MJ is third on the all time NBA's steals list. MJ is the best defender. Ole dumbass! And MJ can rebound!
Domini478 16 hours ago in playlist Favorite videos
6:40. In today's NBA, Jordan would have gotten ejected and suspended for 4 games. Sad how the NBA is now.
lemonlime5555 3 days ago
my opinion best five ever;
1. Jordan
2.Russel
3.Bird
4.M. Johnson
5.Olajuwon
CsRBeast 5 days ago
@CsRBeast where is wilt and kareem?
Dud512 3 days ago in playlist NBA TV | Open Court
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in my top ten
CsRBeast 3 days ago
@CsRBeast but u have Hakeem over them. No offense 2 Hakeem but he isn't better than Wilt or Jabbar
Dud512 3 days ago
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I think he is better than Wilt considering Wilt was probably the biggest ball whore in the history of sports, then he got assist crazy and started not making any shots and just letting his teammates do everything, he was a 'hollywood player' who played for show. He swatted shots away like he spiked a volleyball but never tipped it toward his teammates like Bill Russel did. Kareem is number six, and i think that Hakeem is better overall by a very CLOSE margin, thats just me.
CsRBeast 2 days ago
@CsRBeast wow cause I always thought it was Wil, Jabbar, Russel, Shaq, then Hakeem but I guess I'm wrong
Dud512 2 days ago
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I think Russel is the second best because he was probably the greatest defensive center of all time with all the blocks he had and the unreal rebounding performances, also Russel had more MVP's and Wilt ever did, not to mention that Russel had 11 championships in 13 years, two of which were won by being a team captain and a head coach. Also Shaq admits that he couldnt guard Hakeem, just watch the segment when they are discussing about who is better Hakeem or Ewing
CsRBeast 2 days ago
@CsRBeast I saw that 1 but my arguement was if He'd a faced Shaq when he was winnin titles with the Lakers, Shaq could have got him
Dud512 2 days ago
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I don't deal in what ifs, however im still positive that Shaq could not have guarded Hakeem, he was just too creative in the post and was too smart. However with Shaq being an other worldly beast when it comes to strength...im not sure that Hakeem could guard Shaq, however again i dont deal in what ifs
CsRBeast 2 days ago
How good you are is determined in the first 3 quarters, but greatness comes in the clutch. If you think someone is GREATER than Michael Jordan, ask yourself (honestly) would you choose to have that player take the last shot instead of MJ?
tyenolam 6 days ago
I think Steve Smith made a great point. I agree with him completely.
mrravimc 3 weeks ago
Anyone who thinks Jordan isnt the greatest of all time has something wrong with them. Seriously something wrong.
JKCNinety 4 weeks ago
Kobe is the greatest idgaf Wat u haters say
miko4137 1 month ago
@miko4137 there are times when an offensive comparison between kobe and jordan is understandable. there is never a time when one can compare them defensively. jordan was far ahead of kobe
drvn8 3 weeks ago
@miko4137 yeah, gratest ball hog
TheStefutz 2 weeks ago 5
@miko4137 u stupid jordan would kill kobe
KGN121 2 weeks ago 5
Will there be any new episodes of this show?
ulf5 1 month ago
MJ=Greatest! The most versatile player in the game because he was consistent on both defence and offence. Pick 23 anyday!
Mastafiq 1 month ago
MJ, don't kid yourself playa
p8chill 1 month ago
I'll take all 3 thanks, so there hehehe but seriously MJs the man and the only one who played defense and nailed things home at practice
WeAndWeR1 1 month ago
in a few years kobe,tim duncan and shaq will be on this list
animeblade28 1 month ago
@animeblade28 MJ will always be the greatest...
Domini478 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
@Domini478 Yeah i agree
animeblade28 1 month ago
@animeblade28 true man...duncan gets overlooked too much... unstoppable in his prime..
LosAngelasBasketball 4 weeks ago
no question mj is the greatest, larry bird is really close but i'll put magic on my team if i have to choose
glory2die 1 month ago
Do not Joke ! .. Mj all day
molasda 1 month ago
I would start my team off with Magic
RepChrist4life4eva 1 month ago
1st-elmagicomessi is str8 CRAZY 4 putting Kobe b4 Mike. I think he did th@ 4 attention. 2nd- Jordan is the only player to this day to win League MVP, All Star MVP, & Finals MVP all in the SAME year! He 3peated 2 times in 1 decade (notice the countdown) which made his career a SIXcess! When he came in the pros every1 said "The Next Dr.J"- but he became His Airness...an ORIGINAL!
trey11215 1 month ago
Its hard to say who the best is if you really think about it. I cant easily say MJ is the greatest. MJ was a better positional defensive player than both Magic and Bird meaning he could gaurd players one on one better but Bird played great team defense and was a better reb than both Magic and MJ. We all know Magic is the best passer but who the greatest is idk....its a team game I but i would choose both Bird and Magic over MJ
THEGREATMIAH777 1 month ago 2
@THEGREATMIAH777 MJ is the greatest!
Domini478 1 month ago
mj all day!!
Vitko23 1 month ago
Jordan made Pippen and Rodman hall of famers
blokthis20 1 month ago
@blokthis20 Your an idiot just stop please.
VERACITYxv 1 month ago
Magic
Kobe
Bird
mj
elmagicomessi 1 month ago
Chuck sucking MJ's dick all the time
elmagicomessi 1 month ago
1. Jordan 2. Kobe
VERACITYxv 1 month ago
@VERACITYxv - Hahah, number 2 player of all time is Kobe? Man, GTFO.
222333aaaaaa 1 month ago in playlist NBA TV | Open Court
@222333aaaaaa Who would you say is #2?
VERACITYxv 1 month ago
@VERACITYxv - Probably a handful of guys before Kobe...Magic was great. As was Bird. Then you think about the big men...Russell, Wilt, Kareem.
I just think Kobe's a little overrated and only has 5 rings because he played with the most dominant big man of his time. Still a great player but not number 2.
222333aaaaaa 1 month ago
@222333aaaaaa Kobe in his prime I would def say he was #2 but his game has dropped alot the last 2-3 years. This is a debate that could go on forever though lets just agree Jordan is #1. 2-10 is up for debate!
VERACITYxv 1 month ago
@VERACITYxv - Fair enough
222333aaaaaa 1 month ago
Jordan was an all around player. Defensively and offensively. Worked harder than the average, had heart for the game gazillion times more than any of players ever played. I remember watching him scoring over 40 pts in a game when he had a flu or high fever. Most wouldn't even dare leave the bed. But he played through the entire game and won the game for his teammates. Steve kerr is right. Jordan is the greatest of all time because of the tremendous amount of will to win and heart for the game.
jigphat 1 month ago
Jordan is the greatest. He couldve won more. Who fights over a pair of birds or magics? Ill punch u if u even scuff my Jordans.
Nealfreemont 1 month ago
Smh at any kid not knowing how awesome it was to watch mj play..every game
Belize81 1 month ago
wtf is this?! the question is mj kareem or wilt not mj magic larry
lbj6mj23 2 months ago in playlist Więcej filmów od użytkownika OpenCourtNBA
@lbj6mj23 exactly. kareem is definitely the greatest
327372 2 months ago
This topic don't really have an answer, because basketball is a team sport(in my opinion). And throughout the years, rules changed, the game style also changed. I would like it if they have a topic about greatest team though, it's gonna be hilarious and we can see their opinions as a professional basketball player/analyst ( for some ).
MrPaperCom 2 months ago in playlist More videos from OpenCourtNBA
its funny how this great players are just throwing away the "greatest" label on MJ which is the most legit proof on the validity and legitimacy that he is the GOAT and yet some people are still trying to say otherwise...
if u want some legit answers then this are the men that holds the truth and not some kobetard fans or youtube wannabe reporters, and some stupid espn analyst's...
wornoutshoes11 2 months ago
Jordan
leedavidalan2 2 months ago
SEE PEOPLE NO KOBE TALK! KOBE IS NOT NEXT BEST PLAYER!
NallePu83 2 months ago
@NallePu83 they're talkin about 80's 90's players , i bet when kobe retire hes going to be in the mix including lebron
MrDevanteCPT 2 months ago
@MrDevanteCPT Who we taling about?
NallePu83 2 months ago
I take MJs :P
stevechen1991 2 months ago
Give me Magic.
theungreatkahli 2 months ago
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TheRealHipHopHeads 2 months ago
Magic + Bird is like 2pac + Biggie and than Michael Jordan is like Jay-Z
TheRealHipHopHeads 2 months ago
how do u not start your franchise....with the best player!?! Lmao!! For those that didnt pick mike.....i bet they will never get a gm job!!! LMAO!!! SMH!!!
iijdgaf 2 months ago
Between these 3
1. Mike
2. Magic
3. Bird
You can argue whichever you would rather start a team with, but every single guy in this video said INDIVIDUALLY Mike is the greatest ever, and on top of that Larry and Magic both said Mike was the greatest ever, and Mike says, well Mike says he, himself is the greatest player, Lol go figure ;)
MrXxZeldaxX17 2 months ago
I'll agree Michael is the greatest but for Chuck to say that its not even close and that his numbers are way better is just not true. And Michael had a great team around him just like magic larry
mattysparks 2 months ago
Here is my take. I love Larry Bird, he is my favorite player.
But I think MJ is the best that ever played. He can dribble out of PGs, shoot better than SGs, can play tough D like an SF, and even challenges + goes thru Cs. He is so all rounded from shots to dunks to defense, that's why he's the best.
My favorite player is bird because of his sheer creativity. Just look at his passes and shots selections. It's so unorthodox, but it works so well, and it amazes me. As a SG myself, Bird is my #1!
Dreamer2go 2 months ago
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so all the wHite people are mad now because they didnt pick bird?..you guys are idiots AND THE WORST...mj is arguably the best player ever ..there is no debating about that ..and yes magic was better then bird not by much BUT HE WAS BETTER .even bird will tell you that ........PERIOD
do yall think they sit there and think " oh im not gonna pick bird because he is white".PATHETIC just because you idiots make everythink about race doesnt mean the rest is as dumb as you are.
AND NO IM NOT BLACK
dramatish 2 months ago 5
@dramatish
yea fuck all those retards making association about race. it is about the player and the sport. it has nothing to do with the race. wake the fuck up people
popeyeisgood 2 months ago
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dramatish 2 months ago
Charles is telling it like it is.I know "Fagit" Johnson and Larry "Leave your child behind" Bird had stacked teams.
RohoicRamz94 2 months ago
cmon lets be real look at larry bird numbers compared to mike and magic. its not close
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Flipper79able 2 months ago
@tommybrown187 Actually, Larry was ranked 84th on all time defenders.....while Magic and Jordan are ranked over 100. Bird was a better rebounder than both Jordan and Magic. Bird averaged more assists than Jordan. Larry was the better outside shooter, he had a higher 3 point field goal percentage and better free throw percentage. I'm just saying Bird was doing certain things that both Magic and Jordan weren't doing. I knew none of these guys would vote for him. I mean not even 1 vote?
Flipper79able 2 months ago
@Flipper79able look at the career numbers. bird had about 7 great years. he won 3 rings. mike and magic both better numbers and more rings. so case closed on that. and ppl didnt like larry bird because he was a PRICK!!! lol everybody know bird was a prick. the MEDIA didnt like larry bird!!! other players didnt like him cause he talked shit. yes more than mike and magic. so what are you talking about?
tommybrown187 2 months ago
@tommybrown187 I disagree. Magic and Jordan had more awards than Bird as fare as rings and MVP's.....but Larry was putting up numbers in certain areas that Jordan or Magic wasn't doing. I just think it's strange for these shows to vote on these things where there is always AT LEAST one person who says they hate Larry. Why even vote? Larry didn't talk to the press in college after that he always talked to the press & Jordan was known to talk just as much trash so don't even start with that.
Flipper79able 2 months ago
@tommybrown187 P.S. Do you really think the reason Shaq and Kobe didn't like Larry is because he wouldn't talk to the press or they heard he talked trash on the basketball court? Get the fuck out here with that tired bullshit. The reasons a lot of people didn't like Larry are not what you pretend. I don't know the real reasons people disliked him but it doesn't matter....he's not going to get acknowledgement on a show like this.
Flipper79able 2 months ago
@Flipper79able no they didnt like him cause he is notoriously an asshole. go look up jackie mcmullins book she did on/with him. also ppl dont like kobe. its alot of great players ppl dont like. white ppl just love larry bird because he was the great white hope. 1 of the few really great all players that are white. which is understandable, i aint mad at that. so they are over-protective and delusional about his stance and rank in history. dude bird was great but he was no mike nor magic.
tommybrown187 2 months ago
@tommybrown187 I was wondering when the race issue was going to be brought up. Look man, I live 30 minutes from Boston.The Celtics are my home team. I love Larry because he led us to 3 championships. My favorite players today are Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen. I probably would have loved Magic if I was from L.A. I really can't understand why I have never in MY LIFE heard a black person say something positive about Larry,why? Jordan and Magic are great, I can admit that. Is it so hard?
Flipper79able 2 months ago
@Flipper79able lol its not a race issue. it is race tho. larry bird was a great white player. if he were black he'd still be great but he wouldnt be as legendary. kinda like if his last name was smith instead of bird. him being white and a great player had alot to do with his popularity. kinda like the rapper eminem. he'd be the 1st to tell u. ive HEARD him say it. those old celtic teams and those old laker teams were race things. not issues but evolutions in sports
tommybrown187 2 months ago
@tommybrown187 Keep in mind-if Larry Bird wasn't white he'd be black. Larry's only weakness was that he was a slow white guy (I'm white). If he was black, he'd probably be faster and more explosive. He would have no weaknesses, and all of his strengths would be enhanced. Hell, he was unguardable as a slow guy who couldn't jump-imagine if defenders had to worry about him blowing past them and dunking on someone. He would be a legend, because he'd be the greatest basketball player of all time.
tyenolam 6 days ago
@tyenolam bird was a great because he was 6 9 could shoot BUT he knew how to play. talented players become great players once they know how to play. although a game of running and jumping its about 70% mental
tommybrown187 6 days ago
@Flipper79able idk why anytime even mentions a person is white or black having an effect on something its a race "issue". its just is what it is. i probably wouldnt remember bird as much if he were larry smith and black. why? because thats what made him stand out. just like if magic johnson name was tom johnson. our appearance and perceptions is part of our appeal. thats life. not a negative thing just a truth thing
tommybrown187 2 months ago
@tommybrown187 Your getting caught up in a word.....it doesn't matter what you call it. You said it's not a race issue.....but it does have to do with race. What's the difference? I wanted to talk about basketball and know we're getting caught up in a word. You didn't answer my questions by the way. I told you I'm from Boston and would root for the Celtics regardless of color and that's the truth. I wish everyone could do that. Anyway I still think Larry stats match up...you can look it up.
Flipper79able 2 months ago
@Flipper79able the difference is its not an issue. issue would insinuate its a problem which its not. its just the reality and truth of the situation
tommybrown187 2 months ago
@tommybrown187 Look at it this way. If I liked Larry only cause he's white....my favorite player right now would be Dirk Nowizki......but he isn't. My favorite players are all Celtics and all black. Dirk is an All Star but he's no Larry Bird. I think it's crazy people compare the two. Bird had 3 MVP's, 3 Championships, 2 Finals MVP's, 1 All-Star MVP, 3 Three Point Championships he's rank 7th in all time triple doubles, ect. You can't argue with that and say he only has that cause he's white.
Flipper79able 2 months ago 2
@Flipper79able 1st of all dirk doesnt have nearly the appeal bird has. 2ndly however you choose to look at it you're bias. we can go any direction on this topc and you'd still be bias. you're a celtic fan so how could you have an unbias conversation about larry bird? thats like talking to a lakers fan about kobe today. regardless the numbers or rings they think he's the greatest
tommybrown187 2 months ago
@tommybrown187 No no no. I probably am bias but I'm bias because he plays for my favorite team not because of his race. I also think he is good enough statistically to have got one vote for christ sake. We can agree to disagree but that's just my opinion.
Flipper79able 2 months ago
@tommybrown187 You might want to ask Mike and Magic what they think about that.
tyenolam 6 days ago
@tyenolam thats hard to say because usually unathletic guys become better shooters out of necessity just like athletic guys dont shoot as well because they depend on athleticism. plus magic who is black wasnt the most explose athletic guy either. nor was he a great shooter but he KNEW how to play bball. basketball is a funny sport man everyone has talent but maybe only 30% of dudes know how to play. MJ was the 1st guy with crazy athleticism that KNEW how to play.
tommybrown187 6 days ago
@tommybrown187 I was having that conversation with my friend and we went over that point. Most people wouldn't focus on their shot if they had athleticism. Larry Bird squeezed every bit of potential out of his body; he would have done the same even if he had Mike's. And agreed on MJ's combination of athleticism (unparalleled), fundamentals, and work ethic.
tyenolam 5 days ago
@Flipper79able and i dont have to exaggerate or anything. u can go to the all time rank numbers on any bball site and look at the #s. bird isnt in their league
tommybrown187 2 months ago
@tommybrown187 P.S. Your wrong about the stats thing too. Look at the stats......really go look them up. Magic and Bird are so similar it's scary. Magic had more steals. Bird had more blocks. Magic had more assists. Bird had more rebounds. Bird also had more points. His outside shot is better, his 3 point and free throw shooting was better. Magic outlasted Bird in the last 4 years getting a few more awards but if you really look at their stats they are very, very similar.
Flipper79able 2 months ago
@Flipper79able Bird is the greatest PF ever. I don't think any PF would get picked to start a team. If so then Bird would be it. Typically in the NBA, the best position to start a team with would be Center, PG. Magic is a shoe in because he's an oversize PG. Of course MJ was from another planet, so obviously he would be mentioned. And I don't think any other SG in history would have made it in front of Bird. Bird wasn't picked because of his position.
NBAGOATS 2 months ago
@NBAGOATS I don't know man......I mean he was barley mentioned. I think some people just dislike Bird......and Larry was doing some things that Magic and Jordan weren't doing. I just thought it would have been interesting to have someone say they liked Bird..... every show that talks about this stuff has one guy saying they hate Bird. It just doesn't seem like a person who hates a player is going to vote fairly.
Flipper79able 2 months ago
@tommybrown187 P.S.- It's strange because I've heard a lot of current and past NBA players say "I used to hate Larry" just like Shaq. Ask them why they hated him and they can't give you a real answer other than they liked Magic better. When someone hates you right off the bat.....you know they're not going to get a fair vote. It's like some kind of sick joke.
Flipper79able 2 months ago
MJ's move at 0:31 ...crazy.
WorldOfSnakes 2 months ago
i could sit around and read all these comments on youtube coming from these "experts" in the comment section. BUT im just gonna watch the video and listen to people who have been there and done that. Barkley, Shaq, Reggie, Kerr, and Kenny. the others can suck my dick. They were/afraid of jordan
anerres 2 months ago 2
I love bird and magic...but i adore and worship Mj at least in the basketball aspect!!
miss these 3!!! this is such a nice show,haha!
iluvrei 2 months ago
Chuck always keeps it real ! Amen
Piliskner 2 months ago
The only color that should matter on the court is the color of his jersey.So no, the reason Larry Bird wasn't chosen wasn't because he was white, its because he couldn't even begin to touch the skill level MJ and Magic had.
The1blackgoddess 2 months ago
for people saying magic and bird had better teammates, don't forget that the 80s was also tougher than the 90s, the bulls took 4 seasons just to get past the pistons in the 80s...
veksink 2 months ago
@veksink
it depends on the point of view. bulls was maturing, so was jordan. piston were aging a little by little. the balance of power have shifted even since nba started. but i agree that the 90s is a tad bit watered down compared to the 80s. and now it is even worse.
popeyeisgood 2 months ago
magic johnson played all 5 positions and won finals mvp in his rookie season, nuff said...
veksink 2 months ago
@veksink mj won 3 titles, took 2 years off and won another 3?
who does that? 6 finals mvp. DAMN. the best defensive guard ever and arguably 1 of the best defenders ever. CMON SON. switch mj and magic around. damn mj with worthy and kareem? 11 titles? magic and pippen? 0 titles.
bobbayy23 2 months ago
@bobbayy23 jordan and kareem?? lmao, that would never work, talk about egos clashing, and the 80s was a much tougher era than the 90s, why do you think it took jordan and pippen 4 straight years of getting beat up by the pistons before they even made it to the finals? a young healthy magic would dominate in the 90s, who would stop him?? he revolutionized the point guard position, a 6'8 point that can play all five positions? who does that?
veksink 2 months ago
@veksink Magic was 31 and healthy in 91 he just didnt have Kareem to take up the scoring load.
RohoicRamz94 2 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 let's not forget how much more basketball magic played than micheal by 91..magic played in what? like 6 or 7 nba finals in 10 years? he won it all in h.s., college and the nba within 4 years? he's what top 2 or 3 in total triple doubles? we could argue all day they're both two of the best ever, they both had different roles on different teams, I think it really boils down to personal opinion...
veksink 2 months ago
@veksink Magic was MVP 89-90 season Jordan won title 90-91 season.No excuses Magic just didnt have a stacked team.
RohoicRamz94 2 months ago
@veksink
your statement doesnt bring anything insightful or new to the table. next.
popeyeisgood 2 months ago
@bobbayy23 Of course Jordan,Kareem,Worthy and Cooper dominate if theyre on same team.
RohoicRamz94 2 months ago
"I start my team with a point guard and a center." Usually i would agree but when you can pick the best leader of all time and overall player, why take magic? even though magics a beast :)
J0HN119 2 months ago
Mj was the best followed by bird. i think Magic is over rated
videomaker74 2 months ago
i was watching this on nba tv like 20 mins ago and had to look this up again on youtube to watch michael jordan at 6:36 DAMN MJ!!! he went ha on ewing!!!
blackmambajc 2 months ago
Why are those 3 the only ones in the discussion? What about Wilt? What about Oscar? What about Kareem? What about Bill russell?
jongib369 2 months ago
@jongib369 you're absolutely right, kareem had 6 rings, russell greatest winner in nba history, wilt statistical monster, oscar incredible point guard...
veksink 2 months ago
4:19 c webb hard as a rock XD
xFrust 2 months ago in playlist More videos from OpenCourtNBA
Personally if I were to start a team out of those 3, I think the best decision is to go with the best player, MJ, either way you look at it you cant go wrong with either choice.
DDPxBANG 2 months ago 2
In terms of Greatest Ever. No question, Michael Jordan is heads and shoulders above everybody (Even Magic says so!). However, as for starting a Team, honestly, I would choose MJ without question, but lets please get something straight.
Even if you chose to pick Magic, or Larry instead of Jordan, its not like its bad. Any of these three players would be an excellent choice and in terms of building a team around one of these players, their is no wrong choice.
TrueSephiros 2 months ago 5
@TrueSephiros
Charles brings up a great point. Bird and Magic played with a couple of hall of fame players and had great Centers. Michael Jordan won 6 Championships without a bonafide legitimate big man in center. That even makes his rings more amazing. MJ made the players around him 10x better. Once they left Chicago they were forgotten.
MJ is the clear choice when starting a new team because you don't have to need the Center to work with him. Bird and Magic does.
sharkl11 2 months ago 2
@TrueSephiros there is a wrong choice if its between those 3 and u dont pick mike! simple as that!
iijdgaf 2 months ago
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@TrueSephiros There is a wrong choice if u have to choose between those 3 and u dont pick michael!. Simple as that.
iijdgaf 2 months ago
In 1984, Coach Bob Knight was coming off a gold-medal Olympic run with Michael Jordan. Knight was friends with then Portland Trailblazer GM, Stu Inman, and called to sell him on Jordan as their first pick in the upcoming NBA draft. With Clyde Drexler already on the team, Inman had other plans.
Inman: "We need a center."
Bob Knight: "Then draft Jordan, and play him at center."
TaylorsInParis 2 months ago 4
Brian "The G.O.A.T" Scalabrine > MJ, just saying...
TheFirstNeuron 2 months ago in playlist More videos from OpenCourtNBA
@TheFirstNeuron your gay
gemstar77 2 months ago
@gemstar77 My gay what? or did you mean "YOU'RE gay"?
Yeah I'd totally go gay for Brian White Mamba Scalabrine !
TheFirstNeuron 2 months ago
in what world is michael jordan not automatically your answer
illmaticplaya612 2 months ago
@illmaticplaya612 This world.
DarkMage573 2 months ago
Anyone could make the case for Larry Bird being the best out of the three as well. Magic didnt fear/respect anyone more during his era and Bird would kill Jordan everytime they played. Forget about who they played with and think about the player.
KevinLem0n2015 2 months ago
@KevinLem0n2015 This is interesting. I agree.
DarkMage573 2 months ago
@KevinLem0n2015 this the most amateurish analysis i ever heard.magic is better then bird not by much but he is better ..and bird played against jordan when he came fresh into the league ..jordan in his prime would trash bird in his prime ..and thats a fact ..even bird said that once...so go to sleep and lay off the drugs
dramatish 2 months ago 2
the only reason those "3" didnt choose MJ is because HE is the reason they couldnt sleep at night knowing they would have to face him soon enough.
anerres 2 months ago 36
@anerres No, it's exactly what they said. Magic due to his position and style of play is going to do a better job of making the guys around him better. Jordan may be the better player, but Jordan with a team of scrubs will "get his" and might get them in with a low playoff seed, but put Magic on a team of scrubs and they'll be more competitive. Now if I've got another great talent and smart role players then Jordan is the guy, but to build a team of possible scrubs... it's Magic.
Hotobu 2 months ago
@Hotobu Jordan took his low-talent team to the eastern conference finals every year from 86-90. he lost four times until beating the pistons when pippen got better. in the four times he lost, he had virtually nobody. so to say that he would get them just a low playoff seed is insulting. You're right on ur other points. But I think to build a team around a player like magic, mj or bird would be epic. any of the 3 would be terrific.
anerres 2 months ago
@Hotobu Are you stupid? Magic had better talent around him when he went to the Lakers. He had Kareem and Worthy on his team and a hall of fame coach in Pat Riley. MJ didn't have nobody when he first played with the Bulls.
Domini478 2 months ago in playlist More videos from OpenCourtNBA
larry bird wasnt chosen because he was white.
anerres 2 months ago 19
@anerres Thats stupid.... Bird wasnt chosen because he had the greatest starting lineup of all time. 3 HOF's. Mchale, Parish, himself, and other GREAT players around him... MJ scored 63 pts against that Great Celtic team WITHOUT PIPPEN or RODMAN!
The rest of the guys "magic, Bird" had HOF centers a great benches... MJ NEVER had those luxuries And still WON. His will alone carried the team, and as result.... Has more rings than Larry and Magic. Thats why MJ is Number 1.
JuneJay16 2 months ago
@JuneJay16 why are u arguing with me? i agree with what u just said. i just said bird wasnt chosen because hes white. calm down and take ur pills
anerres 2 months ago
@JuneJay16 He didn't carry squat. Jordan had a temamate that scored 22 PPG on 55% and couldn't get out of the first round.
It wasn't until the best all around defender of all time and a Top 25 Player in Pippen came along that Jordan won. Pippen's defense on Magic in the 91 Finals is arguably the reason why the Lakers didn't go on to win the series. And Rodman shutting down Kemp in the Finals saved Jordan's ass once Payton started shutting Jordan down.
shadow1dx 2 months ago
@shadow1dx he didnt carry squat? thats crazy... Because according to everyone who has ever played with him, says "he made us better" he gave open looks to kerr and all the other shooters. He has been the scoring champion 10 times. has been the Defensive player of the year... what other GAURD has held both honors? hmmmm....NO ONE! He has the highest scoring average in HISTORY! what do you mean he didnt carry the team? Who hit more clutch shots? who hit game winners? who was finals MVP 6 TIMES? MJ
JuneJay16 2 months ago
@JuneJay16 Volume scoring isn't carry anything or else Allen Iverson would be in consideration in that regard.
You obviously don't know the concept of CARRYING a team. Duncan CARRIED a team in 03. Wade CARRIED a team in 06. Hakeem CARRIED a team his two years. Jordan had another Top 25 player in Pippen. The year Jordan left for baseball, Pippen showed the world how great of a player he is. To say that Jordan carried Pippen is an ignorant thing to say. What an insult to the HOF Pippen.
shadow1dx 2 months ago
@shadow1dx pippen showed the world how great he was.... How many rings did he get without MJ? 1, 2, 3? NO. not even one. Mike carried the bulls to the playoffs for years before scottie.To combat your point earlier about Mike having a guy scoring 22.ppg tell the whole story, that was the year MJ broke his foot. He returned to the lineup the last quarter of the season. And had the worst record of any team in the playoffs that year. Bulls got eliminated 1st round without help from Orlando Woolridge
JuneJay16 2 months ago
@JuneJay16 You praise Jordan for taking the Bulls to the Playoffs without Pippen but you criticize Pippen for that? How stupid. Not to mention you're basing Pippen's success on rings.
Jordan left with training camps right around the corner and do you know who took his spot? Pete Myers. Yes the great Pete Myers. Pippen was Top 5 in MVP Voting and was a bad call away from taking the Bulls to the Finals WITHOUT Jordan that season. Jordan did nothing of that caliber without Pippen.
shadow1dx 2 months ago
@shadow1dx I've only been half ass on the pointless debate... But i'll say this, who else was on that team when MJ left in '94?
Pippen, B.J armstrong, Bill Cartwright, Steve Kerr, Horace Grant, Toni Kukoc, Luc Longley, and Pax. They were Championship caliber at that time... Pippen couldnt deliver.
Now, let me tell you who MJ had when he took his team the Playoffs.
MJ, a rookie pete meyers, and Charles Oakley (who only had 1 year under his belt)
The talent around MJ and Pip were day and night
JuneJay16 2 months ago
@JuneJay16 So you admit that team WITHOUT Jordan is capable of winning a title? Then how exactly did Jordan CARRY such a stacked team? You just validated my earlier point. Hook, line and sinker.
And obviously you've been giving me half assed answers and you still are. The moment you ask "HOW MANY RINGZ DID HE WIN?" in response o the success of a player's success you show your lack of basketball IQ.
shadow1dx 2 months ago
@shadow1dx Do you deny that? Im not saying that Pip wasnt good. But when the bulls had MJ and Pip, the bulls won 3 rings... When the bulls got Rodman, they won 3 more rings.
Pippen had his time to show that he was great, with a GREAT supporting cast. and DID NOT COME THROUGH. MJ had virtually NO HELP, NO SUPPORTING CAST he made the playoffs... Come on. If you dont understand that, then we may have to agree, to disagree. With support, Pip couldnt do it. With support, MJ did.
JuneJay16 2 months ago
@JuneJay16 Jordan had good players around him and was a first round gatekeeper. The Detroit Pitons left him crying at the back of the bus.
Pippen took a team that was shellshocked without it's main offensive option and nearly took them to the FINALS. I take leading your team to deep playoff runs more impressive than leading them to first round exists.
Michael Jordan is 1-9 in playoff games with 0 series victories without Scottie Pippen. 44% record career+post season without Pippen.
shadow1dx 2 months ago
@shadow1dx MJ had good players around him on the '85-86 team........ who? Who is name worthy, who on that team has name reconigition, besides the two that i named?
Im also saying that ANYONE couldve taken that STAR STACKED TEAM, with the BEST COACH EVER, deep into the playoffs... Thats not immensely impressive to me.
JuneJay16 2 months ago
@JuneJay16 Again I'll ask the question. How could Jordan CARRY a STAR STACKED TEAM WITH THE BEACH COACH EVER?
Damn, that Jordan sure is lucky he got to play with so much damn talent huh? Maybe that team carried HIM huh? Especially since ANYONE could take that team deep into the Playoffs.
Again, Michael Jordan is 1-9 in playoff games with 0 series victories without Scottie Pippen. 44% record career+post season without Pippen.
shadow1dx 2 months ago
@shadow1dx Beach coach?
Anyway, I wouldn't pay much attention to him anymore. It's clear you know what you're talking about and he doesn't.
DarkMage573 2 months ago
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shadow1dx 2 months ago
@DarkMage573 Damn, I misread your comment lol. My apologies.
shadow1dx 2 months ago
@shadow1dx Ok. we are just talking in circles here. You have you're opinion, and i have mine... But, when some of the greatest of all time were asked, who is the greatest player ever.... MJ's name reigns supreme. That's a fact.
JuneJay16 2 months ago
@JuneJay16 When did I say he wasn't?
And when you ask people if Pippen is a Top 15-20 player all time they'd agree. That's a fact. And if people are questioned if what Pippen did in '94 was impressive most would say yes. That's a fact.
shadow1dx 2 months ago
@shadow1dx you must be an idiot or drunk on pippen's man juice to think that jordan had good players around him when he was the "first round gatekeeper". also ridiculous how you are trying to hang on to the pistons,when it was arguably pippens play that caused those losses,including his pathetic 1-10 effort in the close out game of 1990 and pussying out in game 6 vs the pistons in 1989. you have no room to talk about jordans early career losses if you are comparing him to pippen
netcap001 2 months ago
@netcap001 You're an idiot if you think I was comparing them.
And I could bring up a slew of bad games Jordan had. Look at his last 3 closeout games.
1996 Finals Game 6: 5 for 19 (26% ROFL)
1997 Finals Game 6: 15 for 35 (42% LMAO)
1998 Finals Game 6: 15 for 35 (42% LOL)
shadow1dx 2 months ago
@shadow1dx lmao!what? i didnt deny that jordan had a lot of bad games. i brought up pippen's shortcomings vs detroit because you were penalizing jordan for those losses. simple.
but let's play your game:check out what pippen did in the 1996 finals:pippen=94 points on 99 shot attempts, including a god-awful 11 ppg on %25 in the bulls losses. .390% in the 96 playoffs?
what was pippen doing in the 1998 nba finals game 6?8 points??and the 1998 nba finals?.410%?and 1997 game 6?.353?
netcap001 2 months ago
@netcap001 Except scoring wasn't Pippen's role. Pippen was the natural playmaker for the Bulls and their primary defender. And Pippen had a bad back in the 98 Finals.
shadow1dx 2 months ago
@shadow1dx You got owned by netcap lmao!!!
RohoicRamz94 2 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 ...what?
shadow1dx 2 months ago
@shadow1dx You know 'what"?lmao dont play dumb.
RohoicRamz94 2 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 No I don't.
shadow1dx 2 months ago
@shadow1dx he was the clear #2 option. actually,any team being held to championship standards needs a capable scorer other than their best. apart from olajuwon in 1994, i dont know of anyone who won without a good number 2 option...
as for pippen being the natural playmaker,you are right if you are referring to the second three peat years.
netcap001 2 months ago
@netcap001 2003: Duncan
2006: Wade
Look at the Finals numbers. They had no legit 2nd option.
As for Pippen being number 2, I don't know why you brought that up. I never denied that.
shadow1dx 2 months ago
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@shadow1dx might be right about duncan,but wade certainly had a legit number two option. one series does not prove much, considering pippen averaged 15 ppg in the 96 finals. o'neal averaged over 18 ppg in the postseason,more than pippen did in 96 and 98.
i hope you wouldn't say that the lakers had no legit #2 option in 2000 looking at the finals numbers...
netcap001 2 months ago
@JuneJay16 when MJ scored 63 against the celtics the bulls lost lol..
veksink 2 months ago
@veksink he went against larry bird and the champion boston celtics with a bunch of rookies. nuff said.
anerres 2 months ago
@anerres and lost lol, nuff said...
veksink 2 months ago
@anerres why was? is he black now? hahaha
elyazar123 2 months ago