(Part 1/10) 2008 Presidential Forum at Saddleback Church

[dan79102]

Warren proves as time goes by 3 years later that he is pro Obama

[jeffersonisleib]

"But we do not believe in the separation of faith and politics" - that's a seriously dangerous mindset.  Not hating on religion. But the founders put the first amendment first with good reason.

[Joel0277]

P.S. Obama SUCKS!!

[0hs0Zen0]

@Joel0277 John McCain was involved in the Keating 5 Scandal. That costs the taxpayer about $3 billion.  Pres. Obama never made such a stupid error as a Senator. And yet you voted McCain. How dumb do you look?

[Joel0277]

Obama is a PUPPET. All Leaders are puppets. No point to vote. Men behind the curtain are Rockefellers n Rothschilds they run America. Unless you realise that all your arguments here mean Z E R O !!

Truth! Someone once asked who would Jesus vote for? I will tell you this much.... Jesus Christ wouldn't vote for anyone JESUS CHRIST would be LEADING. That is why HE had to leave earth coz the world wouldn't allow HIM to be King in our Time. He will Return and then all mankind will kneel before HIM.

[Jeffersonwazright]

Look at all these monkeys talking about how their imaginary friends are the best imaginary frineds...what a nation full of cave people.

[DiazRemington]

A new Website for all Religions to Discuss their Differences, - iuchat . com

[reginapederson]

Thank you Pastor Rick.The american people voted, the american need to pray for Gods hand over our leaders and pray they will seek the Lord in their final decision.Pray they will be humbled and seek God after the people have spoken before life changing decision are made.Pray they recognize any bad decision or choices,ask Your forgiveness and strength to move on and lead our nation according to Your will I pray.Amen

[dabestnapinoy]

Thank you Pastor..

Please forgive the ones that are very critical to everything that is good.

[Raford146]

Ah, religion. Opiate of the masses.

[TomerMMHA]

Ah, Raford, a guy who reminds me of a younger me. Wanna back up that statement? It's like me just saying "Atheists are stupid" and not backing it up with any fact. Mud slingin is what it is.

[NegativeNick]

Warren makes me ashamed to be born in california. move to Colorado bigot

[TomerMMHA]

I'm listening to Baldwin and McCullough right now. Stephen Baldwin bashed Warren for being an Obama fan. Poor guy, being bashed by the right and the left.

[dharmicangel]

Rick Warren is a bigot and a monster.

[DarkRoseST]

How?

[JayeRo]

No, Jesus isn't ashamed of us and He is alive. I serve Him out of love, not fear. And I have a peace I can't explain to someone who doesn't love God. Myth. I think not. Over 500 people saw Jesus after he resurrected and ascended into Heaven. Well documented fact not just by believers either. I'm following Him. Challenge yourself to prove Jesus, God and Satan to be mythical by other means than opinion. You might find it fun and fascinating. I wish you well.

[JayeRo]

Actually it sounds nothing like George Bush. There were reasons why God ordered Deut. 20:16. I wonder why you totally ignore how God used His only begotten Son Jesus to save the world. Oh well, I will not continue this discourse with you on this public page as it is not designed for such business. Bottom line. If you're correct in your position, I've lost nothing in my opinion but gained peace. But if you're wrong, I hope you like intense heat. Email me privately if you truly want to learn.

[JayeRo]

It's true every Christian can't live by every word in the Bible. But that's only because we aren't perfect. We don't pick scripture to fit our needs and discard the rest. We must believe and apply all of scripture by God's grace or none of it. As far as God calling for genocide, that's false. Did God commit Genocide by letting Jesus die? Of course not. You are either getting corrupt teaching or you have no personal relationship with Jesus. Truth will set YOU free also.

[JayeRo]

EVERY Christian doesn't do that. You really shouldn't falsely accuse people you don't know. Apparently you've had bad experiences with Christians and I'm sorry about that. But don't judge us all the same. Christians aren't perfect. Only Jesus was.

[JayeRo]

Jesus himself didn't say it specifically. Jesus said to keep his commandments. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one. What God says, Jesus says. There are many scriptures telling us to not join with the same sex. We are to love homosexual people & treat them with respect. I know homosexual people and I love them dearly and speak in love to them. If you want more detail, I will email you. There are too many scriptures to list here.

[JayeRo]

"Whatever you do for the least of my brothers" which is a scripture in Matthew that Obama sites in this interview. He feels we should help the least of these. Jesus also said to allow little children to come unto him and do not hinder them. Jesus was against murder and same sex marriage. Abortion is murder of a human being in it's earliest stages of life. If he's gonna use one scripture of God's Word to apply to his campaign, how does he justify ignoring the rest?

[xtremetheater]

"Everybody has weaknesses, nobody's perfect."

Hello, America! let's not forget this!

Obama just ain't perfect! How about, "the process for me of growing up, was to recognize that it's not about me."

Seems like he's kinda forgotten that now. (communists usually do) Hey, he might have been great when he started, but he doesn't have a chance of being great now, regardless of who wins.

[freed345]

"In America we gotta learn to disagree without demonizing each other." Very well said...are you listening Sean Hannity.

[xiamwillx]

Obama reminds me of The Rock.. I just keep imagining him finishing his sentence with, "IF YA SMELLLALALALLAA"... Yeah, i'm not voting for anyone, dont worry.

[JayeRo]

Obama is not as handsome as The Rock. If you don't vote though, don't complain about the outcome. Unless of course, you're not 18 yet.

[xiamwillx]

Was talking about his voice, but ok. And either way, we shouldn't be crying about the outcome, considering theres nothing we can do about it.

[ashleycraig]

someone else posted this; thought it was a good sum up of what Mccain was at:

"A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side." - Aristolte

[stevowp8]

Ok Part 1 only here. his first answer was good. he wouldnt rely on 3 people for answers, he would call a round table with people most knowledgeable for that specific topic and pick their brains for a more educated decision. how is that a bad answer? Q 2 - ok he realized he was being selfish only thinking of himself and decided to change. again I see no problem. please enlighten me. Q 2a - I can agree with that. help out the lowly to make OUR country a stronger more successful one.

[Coolioman07]

Oh man Obama did terrible in this! If he does bad in this think of how bad he'll do in debates! Oh the debates will be so satisfying, after McCain wins all three it'll be clear he'll win. MCCAIN 08!!!!!!!!!

[dloverise]

strange...one of the most honest, eloquent and intelligent answers i've heard.

[ashleycraig]

totally agree

[JayeRo]

Obama's honest in this forum yes. Eloquent, well, that's nice but God used Moses who wasn't eloquent. I'm not saying that Obama is the antichrist, (that's stupid to think) but Satan his eloquence to convince Eve and Adam who was standing there at the time, to eat the forbidden fruit. Then Adam blamed Eve for his mistake!! Kinda makes ya think huh?

[dloverise]

interesting, I think the serpent has been given a raw deal in that story. Why on earth would god, the farther not want his children to aquire the spiritual knowledge from the tree of life? As a parent i would want my children to surpass all of my achievements, including spiritual ones....

[JayeRo]

You must not be a Christian to ask such a question. You don't spell God the Father without capitilization. God the Father did not want us to suffer death. Adam & Eve didn't acquire spiritual knowledge. The serpent said they would acquire the knowledge of Good and Evil. They acquired the knowledge of Evil which ushered in addiction, murder, idolitry, sickness and so on. Is that what you want your children to know? Of course not.

[dloverise]

And the Lord God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." (Genesis 3:22)

sounds to me like death was exactly what God the Father had in mind.

[JayeRo]

Ah yes.LOL I wonder how long it took you to find that. Satan knows the Bible along with many pseudo-Christians. Okay, enough ragging (truly in fun only). I'm a REAL Christian, so I won't lie. You're probably a very nice person. You're taking that scripture out of context to justify your opinion. Since you're into looking up scripture, look up Jeremiah and see what God says. By the way, "us" means God the Father & God the Son, (Jesus). Let me know if you have any questions.

[dloverise]

1.I am a nice person and I can assure you that I am not satan. Taking scripture out of context to justify ones opinion is essentially what

millions of "REAL-christians" do to promote their own beliefs with regard a whole host of comtemporary social issues. If i am in anyway distorting biblical text then by all means provide me with the missing context. Genuinely I find religious text fascinating, so it would be nice to have a perspective from a "REAL christian" send me a private message cheers.

[JayeRo]

Hello there nice person and I already know that you're not Satan. I wouldn't dare say that about you. Just for public record, I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have regarding the Bible. There are many church groups that have it wrong. But there are many that have it right. I have had very good balanced teaching and would love to share with you in private.

[Hosea22]

Vote for Chuck Baldwin in the 2008 U.S. Presidential elections!!!

Save America from corporate tyranny and global fascism!!!

Freedom Forever!!!

[kowboyfiddle]

"According to CNN polls Obama has 243 points and McCain has 189."

O C'mon.... it was 48% to 43% McCain

Seriously CNN?

y not choke a dick and listen to NPR, LOL

[magalimontreal]

Well said djinn :-)

[djinnbladex]

Wrong.

You are the one who is anti-American by saying that if you vote for Obama, it makes you anti-American.

Everyone has the right to vote in the United States. If you don't like that, move to a communist nation.

You have been extremely brainwashed and it shows. To compare bin laden to Barak Obama is extremely stupid.

America has spoken. According to CNN polls Obama has 243 points and McCain has 189. Obama jumped in lead after McCain chose Palin.

Keep crying.

[PrincyAssBitch]

YOU have been brainwashed,you should watch both nominees speeches. And perhaps even you will see the democratic nominee's lack of regard towards answering questions, dancing around points {his only skill}, and relying on his religion alone, which I feel no need to recount, what it is his "religion preeches" I believe it is more cult like, and an insult to religious practices across the world.Yes it is unamerican to vote for someone who disrespects our troops.

[djinnbladex]

If Obama disrespects our troops, he would not have got the democratic nomination nor would he be leading in the polls.

You are just another brainwashed right wing zealot who can't father seeing a President who doesn't have a southern/texan accent in office.

This is a cultural race, not a political one. This is between the redneck trailer trash hicks vs the educated people who live on the east and west coast.

You are trapped in your world of religious extremism.

[PrincyAssBitch]

I dont have a religious preferance,how dumb do you feel.Dont you dare say I have a preference,I am not party affiliated,I stand on my own two feet and rely on my own thought.The very fact that u said this is a "cultural race" show how truly ignorant you are,its NOT about race,religion,etc,its about whos best fit to run this country.Its ppl like you who voted him in,becasue ppl like you THINK this is about "culture"WOW get an education,the one soldiers bled for, you arrogant bastard!

[djinnbladex]

If you are brainwashed enough to vote for a person who crashed his plane 3 times during training and graduated at the bottom 5th of his class; go ahead.

But if you get passed your paranoia of the 'ooohh scary muslims' and stop being brainwashed you will vote for someone who graduated from Harvard with magna cum laude honors.

McCain has been passed over for the presidential nomination for decades. He was chosen now because they don't have anyone left; lol.

Obama 08 12

[npthomas80]

You know I am curious please point out the direct statement that this man made that shows that he dosent support the troops . Please do so because I am not aware of it. I hope that it is not his choice to vote against the war in Iraq ? You can disagree with the war itself and state that it should not have happend that dosent mean you dont support the troops and the sacrafice that they are making for the war . So please dont be that closed minded its just crazy.

[sweety916]

Barrack Obama looks sexy as hell in this.Oh yea!

[RyanCW23]

Western Europe provides social and moral models to be avoided, not emulated.

[RyanCW23]

For any Europeans following our and for any fellow Americans who believe the secular, socialist European way of life is to be modeled, just remember this. America achieved its greatness and world envy by doing everything the Europeans are afraid to do. Stand up for whats right.

[yragoam]

wat if mccain passed away durin presidensy

hes old...how do you expect him to lead usa with full concentration

[Mauskartoffel]

It will be SO funny if you Americans choose McCain: Another war spectacle on my telly and - due to his incapability - a lot of schadenfreude

[AuShawster]

Mauskartoffel you have a sick sence of humour. With the level of religious and political brainwashing in the US, there is a real chance McCain might be elected. That isn't at all funny.

[Jonathan1850]

Another person in that category is my grandmother, she is a typical white person.

[EasyEs]

I like everything about BO except his positions. Ha he seems like a great guy with so many great qualities but god he is too far left and has too many shaky people in his past.

[crazzyyboyluva101]

i go to saddleback

[helpslipfrank]

self righteous individuals who think they DESERVE the good life, who think they DESERVE respect, get over yourselves.

[helpslipfrank]

i'm sorry religious fanatics ruined the world.

[RyanCW23]

In the 20th century, the powerful state, not religion, was the greatest purveyor of evil in the world.

[RyanCW23]

You're sorry? In the 20th century, the powerful state, not religion, was the greatest purveyor of evil in the world.

[helpslipfrank]

WOW surprise surprise

McCain was not even in the building, so how was he isolated from the questions?

[Bleakfacts]

Whatever you do for least of my brothers you do for me. Whatever YOU do, not the government. Voting for some incompetent organization to help people(instead of you actually helping), does not fly with God.

[asmunchr]

All of these questions are above his pay grade! That says it all, he does not have experience to come close to running this country.

[markstarr66]

Obama The Baby Killer, when he finally got about to voting,,,voted in favor of Infanticide.

[vmk2020]

Wow - glad to know that if BO gets elected, his primary advisors will consist of his wife and mom.

[bigpm89]

Better than who we have advising Bush now...can't be any worse.

[Axmiimlain]

JOHN MCAIN ALL THE WAY HE ANSWERED THE FRICKEN QUESTIONS WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY WERE ONE SIDED WHENEVER OBAMA WAS ASKED A QUESTION HE NEVER REALLY ANSWERED IT HE JUST BUZZED AROUND THE M WELL YOU SEE IT DEPENDS ON BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH MCCAIN ANSWERED THE QUESTION STRAIGHT 2 THE POINT AND ALL HIS ANSWERS WERE GREAT LIKE ON THE ABORTION QUESTION OBAMA NEVER REALLY GAVE AN ANSWER HE WAS JUST LIKE WELL YOU SEE UMMM THEN KEPT GOING ON AND ON read the rest below

[mosb1000]

You should really read Purpose Driven Life before you make that assumption. It's fair to say that that particular value is a core value promoted by Rick Warren. Believe it or not, most republicans feel this way. It's just that we believe in doing it ourselves instead of having the government do it. After all, it's hardly caring to give only because the government's forced you to do it.

[djinnbladex]

I pity you for having such diminished logic. McCain just gave one sided, unrealistic answers. Obama actually provided real solutions to real problems.

The only terrorists in the world are the ones we create.

America can't survive another lame duck president, that is why most of America is in favor of Obama.

[jboyd2107]

lame duck? Have u been paying attention lately? Bush has succeeding in passing legislation despite the title of "lame duck" given to him by the dems. Grow a brain and actually think before u speak.

[djinnbladex]

The Lame duck term has been given to him by Republicans, Democrats, Independents, the WORLD MEDIA, the US Media; other foreign leaders and the majority of the American public.

The few extreme right wing nuts still believe he was the greatest president ever.

He is a lame duck.

[ashleycraig]

well, WELL DONE GEORGE!

[heyjuday]

Barack Obama is honest and his responses are well thought out...that is what you need in a president. These issues are not easy or clear cut. But like he said, and what EVERYONE needs to understand is WE LIVE IN A PLURALISTIC society. He is smart enough to be able to see both sides of the coin and come to a reasonable compromise.  John McCain just told the audience what they wanted to hear. His answers were quick because they're one-sided. McCain doesn't know how to listen.

[Zile77]

"It's one of those situations where the devil is in the details," Obama said at one point. Was he referring to his own oratorical shortcomings when a teleprompter is unavailable? We learned a lot more about the real Obama at Saddleback than we will next week as he delivers his flowery acceptance speech in Denver before a stadium crowd of blind people.

[shaire99]

What we LEARNED is that McCAIN and REV Ricky are a couple of deceiving, lying trash heaps, no better than Bush and Cheney, the Chickenhawk Twins.

Lying about the 'cone of silence' is despicable and supremely dishonest.

You give him a pass, the country won't.

[jazbatee]

i dont see why this event is getting so much coverage. a session in which the candidates are being grilled by master economists wouldve been more pertinent in this age.

[djinnbladex]

Obama did an excellent job infront of an extreme right-wing, conservative audience. His answers were realistic and clear.

McCain's responses is something you would see in a high school essay on how to make the world perfect. He brings too much of a simplistic approach to complicated issues. We've had enough of that with Bush.

Because of Bush we are in a recession and an illegal war.

America can't survive another 8 years with McBush. I'm voting for Obama.

[djinnbladex]

9/11 has nothing to do with Iraq.

You have been brainwashed and it shows.

[bestwin255]

Go look youtube video: McCain's YouTube Problem Just Became a Nightmare

Now over 3,5 Million pageview!!

McCain is the biggest FLIP-FLOPPER I EVER HAVE SEEN

[IDCL2]

Obama did a good job considering his rival John "get off my lawn you damn kids" McCain decided to cheat and get the questions ahead of time.

[ItWasMyOpinion]

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[Zile77]

It was only in May that Sen. Barack Obama cockily proclaimed he would debate Sen. John McCain "anywhere, anytime." But in June, Obama said no to McCain's challenge to have 10 one-on-one town hall meetings.

Obami is chicken chit! Not a leader we need to deal with Islamic terrorists and Russian power grabs.

[wheeZy42O]

okay Bill O'Reilly

[coolieaux]

Don't take this the wrong way but you're a moron

[bpgfartsalot]

God help us all if Obama wins

[whtdovepeace]

When he wins......it'll be obvious that God did help us. What we do with it is up to us all.

[djinnbladex]

If God helps us, Obama will win.

[chitownalphamale]

Mr McNasty Flips more thin 08AMA ever could!

Mr im going to run a clean race.....!

All he every say is, Obama this , Obama that .

surg this, surg that.

He can give no good reason to vote for him.

So he"s giving simple minded people a reason not to vote 4 08AMA.

[haysee221]

Obama changes his position depending on the audience. I am sure he stumbles because he is trying to think which core value should I adopt today to satisfy this crowd...

[boxeranders]

Everytime Hussein does a poor job in debating or answering questions without it being prescripted by his hollywood staff he fumbles with words and cannot get a straight answer out. He is an empty suit with no experience at all with no background in a world that is going to need someone with alot of experience. And who the hell cares if other countries like us or not. We are one country under god.

[micsc50]

To call Obama an empty suit does a disservice to clothes hangers.

[whatdamomo]

IPO made that comment pretty personal. I don't think he has big ears as much as he has no hair. But thats beyond the point. Um, what does that have to do with anything?

[IPOMonstersBro]

OBAMA is a big-eared, doe-eyed, bumbling jackass!!!

OBAMA is an empty-suit who gives great speeches, but cannot think or speak without his handlers!

GO MCCAIN!!!

[doctorturbo]

Obama 2008

[IPOMonstersBro]

doc...

"Obama 2008"???

That about sums-up the intelligence of Obama, Liberals, and the empty Democrat Party...

[mastablasta06]

There's no such thing as an illegal war.

War is not illegal, prostitution is, but not war.

Go McCain.

[djinnbladex]

Obama did an excellent job infront of an extreme right-wing, conservative audience. His answers were realistic and clear.

McCain's responses is something you would see in a high school essay on how to make the world perfect. He brings too much of a simplistic approach to complicated issues. We've had enough of that with Bush.

Because of Bush we are in a recession and an illegal war.

America can't survive another 8 years with McBush. I'm voting for Obama.

[lesselly]

Just so you know... that "famous, rich, book selling minister" tithes 90% of what he makes... Obviously he is much less "selfish" than one would think! Do some research before you go name calling how about it?

Obama has YET to impress me.

[glycoboy]

obama is just bogus....

[bluejoc]

john mccain took this, barrack made no sense sometimes and danced around most of his questions instead of just saying what he really felt

[jt8025]

Where was Bob Barr?

[goblai67]

Obama is very sincere. The body language say it all.

[coolieaux]

When you say body language, are you referring to all of the stuttering, flip-flopping and re-posturing that he is always doing?

[goblai67]

coolieux, at least you know is acting.

[coolieaux]

Nice try - he is an empty suit.

[ebaybenjidogg]

God Bless Obama!!!

[coolieaux]

Don't you mean "Allah bless obama"?

[coolieaux]

Don't you mean "Allah bless obama"?

[goblai67]

coolieux, you french guy don't pretend to be stupid.

did I wrote french guy? just trying to behave like you.

[Orpheus888]

is anyone else having a problem loading this video?

[Hobobob10]

Both the standard and high quality versions are working fine for me. Try refreshing your browser and if that doesn't work try clearing your cache/temporary internet files and see if that fixes it.

[Cosmictalk]

I get the feeling the pastor really wanted to get to the bottom of Obamas values and got surprised that he's getting won over by Barack....I have yet 2c pt 2.

[ItWasMyOpinion]

LOOK UP "McCain advisor get paid by georgia"

The list of McCain's advisors being wrong for America is long.

McCain NEVER stood up to his promises to his first wife. How is he going to do that for America?

[ItWasMyOpinion]

The pastor I read qued McCain in on the questions.

Values? McCain left his first wife because she gets fat and handicapped? What happened to marriage values?