How are unions to blame? Unions make up 11% of the workforce. LOL @ thinking they have anything to do with it. BRB unions are causing problems oh btw just gonna toss 700 billion to this bank here.
@tenkins No wait, one more thing, THEN I'm done mangling your ass. It's obvious to me that you have no clue how the union laborer/management relationship works. When union employees see their CEOs flying to DC in private jets to receive bail-out money for a company that collapsed under said CEO's watch, well, why the hell SHOULD they give up anything? If you were to cut the upper-level management's salaries in half, management would STILL be making 5 times what the union employees make.
@gamefreak1000000 You peice of shit. You think murder's ok? What the hells wrong with you. You should be reported and placed in prison where you belong for threatining peoples lives. People like you make me sick. If hell were real you'd burn in it's lowest depths.
@CJbass420 Oh so it's not okay for me to threaten unions, but it's fine if they threaten people who disagree with them with force? Oh there's DEFINITELY no hypocrisy there, right?
@CJbass420They deserve to be shot in the head and hung until their blood dries. Then their body should be burned to forget that their pitiful existence even happened. Their sick in the head for what they believe in. Nobody in unions work hard nor do they even know what hard work is. People normally accuse CEO's of being rich and not doing much despite that they worked hard to educate themselves, but the union bosses who do NOTHING and don't contribute to society and get paid a lot don't get hate
@tenkins Oh god way to exagerate things. I never siad they'd puyt our lives at risk, but they can pay us less and not give us time off when we have injuries, hell if we get hurt, without unions they can just fire us. The truth is unions were created to protect workers rights. Read a history book and thenb you'll have a clue. Also I said GREEDY CORPORATIONS not all are greedy or evil. In fact most of them only do bad things because the power they bhold corrupts them.
@CJbass420 Do those corporations kidnap the people and force them to work for a low wage and unfair hours against their will? No, the people have the option of working there. My dad was offered shitty hours with shitty wages. Do you know what he did? He decided not to work there. Unions on the other hand, are made of degenerate people. They take from any company they want or anyone who opposes them. As an example, they oppose Walmart just because they decline unions. They all can go suck my dick
@gamefreak1000000 Wal Mart is one of the biggest scumbag corporations that exists. And no they don't force people to work for them however they move their businesses to china where unions don't exsist and CHILDREN are forced to work 12 hours hard labour everyday. Without Unions every company can pay their employess shit. EVERY company. Where can you work when they all treat you like shit?
"Where can you work when they all treat you like shit?"
A) Simple, you get a decent all around education and pursue a decent job like Software developing, doing surgery on people, engineering, etc. Unions are bad because they give lazy people wages that they don't deserve. If they want better pay, they need to get their lazy asses to school, get a better education that they lacked when they were young, and get a better quality job that doesn't involve mopping floors.
@gamefreak1000000 I knew it your a fucking smug basterd who thinks he's better then everyone else. If not one mops the floors how will they be clean? If no one works construction, where will live, work, learn and eat? Did you think of that before you though of yourself you smug basterd. You hate union because they give the working class who aren't lazy fair pay. I'd love to see you try and do some physical labour. You wouldn't hack it.
If janitors and construction workers were in such high demand, they would get paid higher wages by the business itself. You say that the union pays people who aren't lazy? LOL are you kidding me? Ever seen a union thug before? They are too lazy to go back to school and get a decent education, so they demand more money because people more educated and work harder than them has to suffer? My dad made over $500k per year when he owned his mortgage company. That was until the unions shut him down.
@gamefreak1000000 Construction workers are always in demand. Just because someone doesn't go school doesn't mean they're lazy. Your only looking at this one way. Your way. First not everyone is born to rich families, second some people prefer physical work like construction, warehouse, etc. third some people simply have no idea what to go to school for, some go alter in life some don't. However there will always be a working class and they work harder than you know.
@gamefreak1000000 Seriously I'd love to see you do warehouse or construction work before you call the workers lazy. However you never answered my main question. What would you do without construction workers and janitors? Would be willing/capable of doing those? Certain people are good at certain things, it's the way the human mind works. I'm sure some unions are corrupt as hell but we do need people to protect workers rights, look at China. We could be them.
Unions...are a scam. They want your money and don't offer any real protection anymore except for the laziest employees. Right to work is absolutely necessary!
Right to work states = representation without taxation. What a concept. The 14 worst business states are all forced union states, while 7 of the top 8 are right to work states.
@ace8842 I apologize for my tone (whether you accept it or not is up to you), but I get frustrated when I feel someone is as wrong as I feel you are. Unions have become the boogyman to the right-wing simply because they are a major donor to the DNC. I'm not really a ideological dude as far as politics go, but I am a blue-collar worker (in the private sector) who sees the benefits that unions provide. Are some union bosses crooks? Absolutely, but you get crooks in every field.
@sandro28grizz Thanks for being civil. My thing is, to me it is not American to have money taken from workers' pay checks and given to things they don't want. The National Education Association has come out in support of abortion and a lot of pro gay teaching activities. Why should teachers have money taken and given to parties, candidates, or issues that they don't want? That's not freedom of speech To me union bosses are connected to politicians, who are connected to corporations
Since Reagan's time, the working class has been at war with itself. Once united in a common cause, they are now attacking each other. Railroad Baron Jay Gould once said, "I can pay one half of the working class to kill off the other half".
Unions, unfortunately, while initiated for collective bargaining by the underpaid, overworked many, many years ago, have now become the Original Gangsters. They have done more damage to this country than the Mafia. They need to go the way of the brontosaurus. EXTINCT
There are no need for unions. Workers should negotiate their own wages. If the company doesn't want to pay the amount? Then the laboror can look elsewhere.
@SuperGuitarman69 This is evil! Of course we are free to look elsewhere, but it is the nature of business to pay as cheaply as possible. In order to secure a living wage, group negotiations achieve far better results.
@Thugpreacha No you are completely wrong. It is the nature of business to to sell their product for as much as possible, settling on what they can get in the market. It is in the nature of business to get the best employees possible for optimal price. Why? Not to expand profits but to not go out of business. ie.. UAW and such. I have a degree in economics and owned a business as well. I assure you if my workers would have unionized I would have not have lasted as long as I did.
@SuperGuitarman69 If you treat your workers fairly and pay them a fair wage, then they won't have any desire to unionize. And if you can't afford to pay your employees a fair wage and give them a working enviroment that they will be satisfied with, then you shouldn't open up a business in the first place. If your local competitors' employees (union AND non-union) are making on average 50% more than your employees are, then you should not be surprised when that union comes banging at your door.
@sandro28grizz See, here is food for thought for you. The business needs workers. If they want good workers it is to their advantage to hire competent workers. Now, if it takes money to get these workers. They WILL pay it. Remember, a worker has the CHOICE to work at a business or not. They are NOT being forced to work there. That is why unions are COMPLETE BULLSHIT!!! They can make demands and put a choke hold on a business that has to make payroll, taxes etc... If business fails? They lose all
@SuperGuitarman69 Doesn't always work that way. Especially now in times of economic recession. If the company's books are not open, the company is going to use the economy as an excuse to treat workers like dirt. They think that they have us by the balls. As I said before, if the company treats it's workers fairly and upholds a working standard that is competitive, then they will have nothing to worry about. If they can't do that, then they shouldn't have opened the business in the first place.
@sandro28grizz Your answer is precisly what I am talking about. The business will go out of business if it cannot compete. If the economy slows? The business may not make it. That is the beauty of free market capitalism. It is fair. So hands of government. Let businesses rise and fall. Workers are a part of that. Forcing the hand of business to pay workers a certain amount can cause business to fail. ie... Auto industry. This is why they charge more than japanese companies for cars.
@SuperGuitarman69 Maybe those businesses should think about things like that first. Instead paying top executives $200000/yr and the workers under $40000, couldn't they even things out a bit so as not to begin a confrontation? I mean, $200000 a year is more than one needs to live comfortably.
@sandro28grizz Why? What business is it of yours? Mine? Or the Government what a private company pays their workers or CEO's? Where do we draw the line on freedom? I mean seriously. If a company thinks their CEO's are worth x amount of dollars, isn't that between the shareholders, stockholders, Presidents of the companies and the people involved in the company? What right do you, I, or the government have to come in and run it? Workers can strike or quit. Stockholders can pull out their stock
@SuperGuitarman69 It IS my business, at least with regard to the company I work for, because it directly affects my standard of living. Unions do not come in and run companies, they negotiate contracts that the workers agree upon. The union does not make the demands, the employees do. The union simply acts as a representative for the employee. When employees act as their own representatives, well, re-read my documentation of what happened when we tried to negotiate without legal backing.
@sandro28grizz I TOTALLY agree with you. In your company? Yes it is. But YOU have to do something about it. You need to plead your case to the company. Not have a union delegate who could give a shit less about you do it. They are charlitines. I can prove that too. Unions do not have legal backing. That is a lie to get your dues. I am a musician. I belong to the union. I NEVER use the union to negotiate money. If I did? I'd never work
@SuperGuitarman69 Did you read that long story about what went on at my company? We TRIED negotiating our own deal, and the company laid a shitload of guys off in retaliation. We WANTED to avoid confrontation, and they brought it to us. So our only option was to get the union, and by default the labor board, involved.
The company has enough money to hire consultants, we don't have the money to hire lawyers to state our case. That is where the union comes in. Now we have a voice.
@SuperGuitarman69 Unions DO have legal backing, because once you join, you cannot be fired for frivolous reasons like not seeing eye to eye with your manager or supervisor. Joining a union means that you can file a grievance against your employer, whereas not being a member leaves you to fend for yourself, which will end in your termination 9 times out of 10.
@sandro28grizz That's part of the problem. Unions are protecting bad workers. In Colorado, one failing school was allowed to operate outside of union rules. Every teacher but six were let go, and the scores of students increased dramatically. The unions prevent needed change in education.
@ace8842 There is change needed, but dismantling union schools will not attract good teachers. The states with the highest test scores are collective bargaining states.
A peer review system that uses unions is more effective at finding bad teachers anyway, and would create more professionalism with less cost than independent review.
@NiceMorningHello Not sure about your statistics. I saw SAT scores from 2008 and the 4th and 5th best states were Missouri and South Dakota, which are right to work states. Maine was 51st, Washington DC 50th, and Hawaii 48th, all forced union states with collective bargaining. Unions cannot be allowed to peer review their own..this looks like another desire to keep control. Many of the collective bargaining states spend more $ on education, the teachers are not better.
@ace8842 South Dakota has collective bargaining rights for teachers.
SATs aren't a good measure of achievement because mostly college bound students take them. Even then, they aren't representative of college students because some take other admission tests like ACT. I suggest looking at NAEP state comparisons.
Teachers are better at spotting failures amongst their own than management, and tend to recommend more firings. Also, it's cheaper.
@ace8842 You and your ilk are such idiots. You bitch and moan about taxpayer dollars being wasted, yet teachers are the only public employees you target. Don't you faggots think that there's a ton of waste in most police and fire departments? Why are they exempt from scrutiny? Maybe because little nerds like you are too afraid to take on the police and the firefighters.
@SuperGuitarman69 Bottom line is this - we tried negotiating with the company, they blew us off, and later began picking us off. Now, they HAVE to negotiate with us. That doesn't necessarily mean that we will get everything we want, but at least now the company MUST listen to us. They thought they had us by the balls, and we turned the tables around on them. Didn't help them that every testimony they made before the labor board was shot down within a matter of weeks. FUCK THEM.
@SuperGuitarman69 It AMAZES me how people can call those making $40000 a year greedy as opposed to big executives who make 5 times that without breaking a sweat once during the work day.
And if you don't like the union, you can leave, or push to decertify wherever it is you work. You act like it's all some trap to collect your dues. If enough of your co-workers agree with you, then why not decertify the shop?
@SuperGuitarman69 I would rather not say where I work, but I will tell you that it is a web-printing plant in northeastern NJ. The company also have a plant in southern NJ (where they shipped alot of the work when they caught wind of our union activities) and are planning on opening another plant down in the DC/northern Virginia area.
@sandro28grizz Well why don't you ask to see in the companies books. See, if in this uncertain economy if they can afford to pay you the union workers what you want, or if they do if they will not go under.
@SuperGuitarman69 Only an idiot would quit his/her job without having something else lined up. If I could have, I'd have quit a year ago. But there is no safety net for people who quit.
@sandro28grizz about the companys crying poor yet not opening the books, 100%correct. most people hate that union workers get a pension and everyone else doesnt. i work for the electric utility that is negotiating to take my pension. all everyone knows is that their electric bill is high, so people say "good, you dont deserve a pension, everyone else prepares for their own retirement" maybe they do, but if you saw the earnings of the shareholders and corporates you may have a different idea
@ethanh24 What can I say, some of our blue-collar brethren are of the mind that no amount of humiliation is too much for them, just as long as they keep their shit jobs. Blue-collar conservatives are the working world's equivalent of the "house negro".
@sandro28grizz BULLSHIT! You are saying that just because we are poor that we should favor things that benefit us automatically even if it is ruining the economy? "house negro" my ass! Grow up!
@tenkins Tell me how unions are ruining the economy. Explain to me exactly how unions are ruining your life. And I'm not talking about public-sector unions, I'm talking about trade unions. Please respond.
@sandro28grizz I would continue this discussion with you the same way I continue discussions with every person of intelligence that shows me courtesy, but your "House Negro" comment put an end to this discussion. You don't get anything from me. Now, fuck off.
@tenkins Oh please, stop feigning outrage over the "house negro" comment", would you? It's just another way of calling you a useful idiot. Now, I'm done. Scab.
@sandro28grizz funny coming from a person that supports the same party that protected slavery and supported segregation so your words of ignorance mean nothing cause your very ignorant to your own political parties practices its ok dont worry your house negroe will be to you soon enough and you can have a seperate bathrooms set up for him
@Southernjuggalo63 Hey retarded jackass who can't form a proper sentence, I am not a Democrap. Nor am I a Republicunt. Take your two-party "democracy" and shove it up your ass.
@MrFREEDOMRIDER1959 I only could afford what I could afford. They made good money for the 5 hours 3 times a week they worked. they had to have second jobs. with me not paying taxes and all the regulation crap? Could've paid them much much more and would of. I needed the help. Government costs jobs. At least Obama government
@SuperGuitarman69 Being a member of a union DOES mean that workers negotiate their own wages, pension contributions, healthcare plans, working conditions, etc. A committee of employees is formed, and those employees (selected by their peers) are responsible for conveying what they want from the company. Unions don't make demands of employers without the say-so of the committee. This is the way it works in the private sector, I'm not entirely sure about the massive public sector unions.
@SuperGuitarman69 There is a need for unions, they afford workers legal protection against employers. I have an example for you. A few months ago, my co-workers and myself were in the very beginning of discussing unionizing our plant. Hoping to avoid the confrontation that usually accompanies a unionizing effort, we decided to have two of our co-workers sit down with management and the owner to discuss things that we were unhappy about.
@sandro28grizz So these two employees made their presentation, management listened, and then basically went on with their business as if the whole thing never happened. Then about a month later, both of these men were let go due to "slow economic conditions", even though our workload had not changed one bit. You see, we TRIED negotiating for ourselves first, and that's what happened. Realizing that management didn't give a damn about our concerns, we pressed ahead. Now it was war.
@sandro28grizz The organizing effort gained more and more steam as the managers pissed off more and more people, until about 70% of the proposed bargaining unit had signed union cards. We met with the union leaders, and gave them permission to file our request to unionize our shop with the NLRB. The company got wind, and announced crew consolidations a few weeks later. The week before this new schedule was to go into effect, 11 people were let go (of which 9 had signed union cards)
@sandro28grizz But we kept on with the effort, enduring cries of poverty and meetings from management about they thought it was a bad idea for us to unionize. Well, you'll be happy to know that we won the vote a few weeks ago, but negotiations are in limbo because the company is being brought up on charges for laying specific people off due to union activity (LOL).
This all would have been avoided if they would have just taken those two guys and their presentation seriously.
@happyland1234 I don't believe anyone praises them when they receive subsidies or government bailouts, but in all other cases they either rightfully bought or started the company they're executives of now so they have every right to the money they earn unlike the thieving spoiled unions who even threaten other workers to join that don't want the unions. Every employee in the company (in the U.S.) has the right to go out and start his own company so why not do that instead starting a union
@mobilechief really? Will they? I'm pretty sure only the law can do that forcefully, but don't blame the "corps" for that, blame special interest politicians.
@happyland1234 The private sector creates jobs, the public sector for the most part does not. If a corporation's leader pays himself too much, he hurts his business. Private workers can't go on strike because their business suffers, but public unions can do it at will, which is why they should not exist, as FDR said.
@happyland1234 Because business actually produce something and create jobs. Unions just barge right in and start dictating. Unions should be illegal, espically in the public sector.
Union needs to take the tasks of banking for savings and loans for local communities then the general public and small businesses will count unions as themselves. Just check where are those policies make unions a special class and you can start changing them into involving local communities. Then communities will grow unions into one of their branches.
If unions didn't support anti-gun, pro-gay marraige, pro-abortion, pro-trial lawyers, pro-illegal immigrant, far left candidates...I might could see myself at least listening to what they have to say. Until them I have ZERO use for them.
I need the unions but wish they weren't all about loving the qweers, hating guns and don't get me started on the Lefty politics. As for illegals it seems counter intuitive for an organization that defends workers to defend those who steal their jobs for a fraction of the cost.
@solorbomber Unions are concerned with representing a group of employees in negotiations with their employer. It is not the problem of the union if the employer has hired illegals. It is the employer's problem for hiring the illegal in the first place.
@71NovaSS I wouldn't say that all unions support those issues at all. The goal of unions is to secure fair working contracts for it's members, that's it. They have absolutely NOTHING to do with gun laws or gay-marriage.
we need unions here in america people forget what the unions have negoitated for over the years fair pay 40 hour work week benifit packages for workers without unions the american worker has no collective voice.
An evil woman. All unions must be destroyed. All collectives that FORCE membership and membership dues should be destroyed. We will push back with force against the Unions and the Fed.
I personally hope every union member everywhere loses their job. But that will never happen because the statists you elect into government will continue to rob the citizens to pay your wages. Even after you have already destroyed the company. But one thing is for sure: I will personally never buy union made, and I am not alone. Fuck you all.
Stratvic is a trickle down Reagonite who never had to work is his entire life.You made your money the old fashioned way:...by inheritance.The free market really works well for millions of college grads now working in the mall and the increasing number of homeless.What a counrty!! Iknow what you are thinking...leave.Get me a visa for for Sweden and I will.Norway,Australia,N.Z...ok too.I am not worth millions like you are.I will be happy to pay higher taxes for Scandinavian socialism.
its funny that she brought up heath care vs. education seeing as we have some of the highest standards for health care in the United States (although not available for all) and some of the worst schools...
This woman is clearly unable to think rationally. No person should have more rights than any other.
That means no 'union rights' in the modern sense.
(that also means No Government, but that is an issue for another time..)
~(A)~
PS: just as raising the minimum wage artificially above the market value creates unemployment and price increases. So too, the union projects on specific locations have a similar result. But, bottom line: Despotism is not a solution, economically and morally.
It has always shocked when union organizers come into to a workplace and are met with such overwhelming apathy.I worked in a bank call center and no one ....especially the young...was interested.Everyone worked liked slaves and the turnover was unbelievable.Same thing going on now in government with the TSA.
Who's the retard behind this fuzzy headed monkey? Love REALNEWS. Listen, labor never stood a chance, anytime it made headway motherfuckers got killed and imprisoned ...MAY DAY you fat capitalist shit fucki'n baboons.
Like most of what gov does in regulating the economy, interfering in the rights of individuals to associate with one another has been disastrous. But forced associations is just as bad. The integrity of a union is only as good as the individual's right to choose to join or not. Forcing someone to belong to a union in order to get or keep a job is just as wrong as the gov interfering with the right to organize with others to negotiate better working conditions and wages.
workers overwhelmingly chose unions. people polled in both union and non-union jobs all prefer to have or keep a union. at least with unions, you are being democratic in following the will of the people.
"workers overwhelmingly chose unions. people polled in both union and non-union jobs all prefer to have or keep a union."
This is pure BS. Not all workers want a union to take their money or lord over them union rules and policies. When people join a union, they rarely have a choice in the matter if they want the job or don't want to be singled out for hostilities and ostracism.
You know what that is called BTW? A democracy... And that is why republics are better.
unionization doesn't mean less business, it means businessmen have to work harder. take Germany, one of the top economies and richest nations in the world. they also have an extremely high rate of union membership, (and coincidently among the highest tax rates in the world). the logic entirely breaks down once you look around.
I didn't say EVERYONE wants unions, merely the "overwhelming majority." you can look up gallup polls. Yes, people DO have a choice in the matter of whether they unionize or not, I really have to wonder if you understand how unions work or not. People actually *vote* on whether or not they want it (mob rule, I know). Both sides have tried to coerce, but the amount Unions do doesn't even compare to busines
"Mob rule sucks."
The old European aristocrats and you both have something to agree about.
why shoudl you have to get up and leave your job? The corporation has an "ethical" obligation to pay a living wage, benefits, and pension.... but ethics and business dont mix.... THATS WHY WE NEED UNIONS! UNION YES
modern [neo]conservatives do not care about business unless they are paying their wages.
This economy is fascist and can easily shift toward socialist, but the difference will be hard to notice. Unemployment will continue to climb, living standards will continue to fall.
This is because the politically despotic model of the world is unsustainable. No person should have more rights than another. That means an end of the government that is the largest burden on society, than the world's ever seen
"why shoudl you have to get up and leave your job?"
Because you don't like it.
If your friend did not buy you a good enough birthday present. ... would you force them to?
It might take more effort and initiative to you to look for another job than creating a mob and making demands and threats. But that doesn't mean that it is the right thing to do.
And whose polls are you referring to? You completely missed the point of my response to the vid. I'm for freedom of association, but against forced associations. Whether it's gov or private compulsion makes no difference. No one has a "right" to a job any more than they have a "right" to a house or car. We all have a right to our lives, our freedom and liberty, and our personal property obtained through our own efforts. No one can take that away from you or force you to join a group to get it.
don't you see the contradictions? if someone has a right to a life, then they must either have a right to a job (a living) or a right to welfare or something. they do a great job, but the world's charities can't feed ALL the worlds unemployed and poor. that's where welfare and unemployment insurance come in. I would add that everyone does have a right to a job. there is no freedom or liberty in begging in the streets with your face in the mud.
Well we are forced to do things when we enjoy group benefits: taxes we pay, jury duty, etc. Try to skip on any of those and the "forced" part will become obvious. Unions deliver huge benefits to all blue color workers and not paying union dues or participating in meetings is an obvious way to "cheat" the system, but still enjoy benefits those union provide for all employees. Without obligatory participations many unions will disappear, just as without taxes governments will.
I have no problem with gov disappearing. When gov fails in its duties, it is the right of the gov to replace it. Unions don't work that way. Once they take over, there is no getting rid of them. There is a huge difference between limited gov and unions, and comparing the two is like claiming apples and oranges are alike simply because they are fruit. I have no problem with unions per se, so long as no one is forced to join them. Voluntary associations should be encouraged, but never mandated.
Well, when governments fell in France and Russia in 1792 and 1917 nothing good came out of it. Government is necessary and anybody claiming to the contrary never simply lived through those "happy" times. Read about former Soviet Republics after the fall of communism and depravity that spread.
I would agree that in USSR government did a lot of good things for population - literacy rates did increase to 99.6% from 20-30% in one generation. But most improvements came in the second half of its existence. It is hard for me to accept enormous death tall of revolution/civil war and Stalin's purges. Also were it not for fear of communism West would not have supported Hitler during Munich Accord as well and WW2 might have been avoided.
bbburton, this is the problem with the workplace,we don't educate enough in it. The statement you made, "once they take over, there is no getting rid of them." First point, you make the union sound like some third party figure. The UNION, is made up of workers and they are represented by elected representatives who are also workers and are elected by workers. Second point, If the workers so choose not to have representation anymore they can do what they call a de-certification.Check the web.
@bbburton Certain southern states have what are called "right to work" laws, in which you have union and non-union workers working side-by-side. The only problem I have with that is those non-union workers do not pay dues, but they still benefit from the wage increases/pensions secured by the union. Those laws should be amended to ensure that only union members benefit from the collective bargaining agreements. The union should not be forced to represent people who are not members.
@sandro28grizz ...That's absolutely correct. Unions negotiate wages, hours and working conditions. In Right-to-Work states, those people who choose to NOT join the Union benefit from the fruits of Union negotiating. It is absurd to allow these people to improve their lots in life on the backs of dues paying union members....all the while talking shit about the very entity that has secured these conditions for them.
@bbburton ..The problem with your position on voluntary association is that people who choose not to join the union still reap the benefits of union negotiating, for free mind you. Taft-Hartley opened the doors to Right-to-Work states. Think about it....Why should someone who doesn't pay union dues be able to participate in gains made by negotiations sponsored by union dues?
Unions here in America and around the world should teach people how, even if workers are not directly signed up and members of unions, workers and the Middle Class everywhere benefit from the progress unions collectively bargain for. I am talking about the progress for all workers in the 20th Century. I worked for non-union R.R. Donnelley and Walmart Stores among others, and got trashed. I live in New Hampshire, a "Right to Work" State. Workers get abused and mistreated here. Companies 2nd Class
Closed shops means no card check, obviously. Non-Union politicians go after Union Negotiated and Management Approved Worker Benefits first. Foreign countries and their corporate slave governments actually go around killing Union Organizers. You can call it "closed ship" and I will call it what it is: yes, abusive of workers and of the interests of business and societies. Without a doubt. You must not be paying attention, as this is quite evident to me and to most intelligent, observant people.
Okay, I stand corrected -- closed shops are unionized shops. I liked working in jobs that were unionized, including Maine paper mills and an iron foundry and in-house or fake union environments such as Hannaford Bros. grocery warehouse. I did not like the strict seniority for job progression, because I was a young man back then. Since then, I have decided unions are far better for our economy than commonly recognized, and corporations and owners far worse. People do not know their own interests.
the sad reason they do not know their own interests is because they listen to people on tv and radio drill into them the idea that whatever is good for the rich and the businesses is good for everyone. the rich dominate and control radio and tv after all, so they simply do what is in their own interest- demonize unions.
Yes, I agree with you, Spartan. However, I was referring to the Rich, when I was commenting that "People do not know their own interests" below. I ran out of room to type. Companies should know, that after this American recessionary period, they are going to find labor markets tightening up again, quite severely. I think they know this much, at least. The smarter ones in business, anyway. Panic, or trash your workers now, pay the price later. Look at Circuit City vis a vis Best Buy, for one exam
besides that, unions are a democratizing influence. they get people engaged in the democratic process, both within unions themselves and within the local, state, and federal governments. this is one of the most terrifying things for the wealthy business owners, THEY demand a monopoly on control, and unions represent a challenge to this.
Exactly. If you don't have Unions, it's every man and woman for themselves. Is that the kind of thing that makes a strong economy? Cutting each other's throats for a job? Are we back to pretending that employers give a person a job out of benevolence and as a favor? That we should be infinitely thankful?
My grandfather ran a Union, and he knew how important Unions were in being able to help people be safe and supported.
People shouldn't have to be at the mercy of their employers!
The union is such a diverse topic. Where does one start when supporting or criticizing it? Personally I am all for Unionization, but the modern union has lost touch with reality. I saw a union worker on TV getting interviewed talking about how he wouldn't be able to make it on less than 75K a year. Gimme a break pal. The unions are chock full of Greedy voices these days that make 50$ to 90$ an hour and have 3 cars on lease for 500$ a piece as opposed to having 2 bought and paid for.
realize that the TV news corporations are ran by the wealthy, whose prime enemy is the organized worker. the news does what it can to demonize unions. if there really was someone who was part of a union complaining that 75K wasn't enough to live on, that doesn't represent the reality for everyone else. I work in a union, and I guarantee you the most senior and productive worker in my ware house doesn't make more than 40K, the average income in the US.
My myspace heroes are listed as Jimmy Hoffa and Mussolini. I am for Unions. But in in NY state and places like Detroit some of the common unions are so built up and have piled so much lazy overpayed bullshit into themselves the Unions are dying. The employers can't afford the work anymore and the unions are successfully killing themselves. Unionization is the equivalent of American communism, it is a system designed for all our good that ultimately becomes corrupted by itself and fails.
Today's unions are damned hypocrites. My union invested money in the company before the negotiation for the renewal of our work contract. What does that us? That they're a bunch of two-faced bastards. I'd rather be in an independant union or the Wobblies...
Anarchist: doesn't that make you question whether or not you're dealing with a real union? A lot of the so-called unions springing up recently in response to worker dissatisfaction are actually an extension of a company's human resource department. They're not a pro-worker resources they are pro-company spin teams meant to make workers undervalue their actual worth and feel guilty about asking for a living wage and decent benefits.
It's a real union, one of the oldest and largest in the country. They've started investing in companies by creating a financial branch, that apparently has nothing to do with the Union and labor relations, in order to maintain jobs and keep companies with potential open. The road to hell is paved with good intentions!!! In my view, they are slowly becoming tools of the elite rather than protectors of the working man's rights, they're playing the bankers game, damned hypocrites!
This sure explains a lot as to why America, (and the world as whole, to a great degree) is in the shape that it's in. Wealth was systematically taken from those that do the actual work and was funnelled upwards to those at the top that don't. This was theft from the workers to the owners, from the middle class to the upper class. For shame! The rich and powerful don't care about their fellow men -- in fact, they despise them. They want the whole pie rather than divide it up fairly with everyone.
For those of you who think unions are bad, just wait until we don't have any more. Then your job just might be the next one the company no longer values as much!
United we stand divided we fall! We are falling and we need to be reunited. The rank and file need to become active and demand the union is more representative of the workers.
Unions are the last bastion of non violent resistance left. The great brainwashed gop masses have been paramount in selling this union busting mentality.
People need to start unionizing now before everything is gone and what jobs are left are handed to those who will take them for the least pay and benefits.
union jobs suck, I can't get ahead by working harder, stuck behind incompetence, can't get rid of shitty workers, union lawyers protect them. benefits are not covering life costs, but can't go for a big raise, got to wait for the yearly raise which sucks because they split all growth between all workers. no reason to work hard, just hard enough to not get fired.
The Republicans have been working on destroying the unions since they killed JFK.They want a depression and they want Americans to be broke & deperate.Eventually Americans will be so desperate they will be willing to work for a bowl of rice.Thier plan is going pretty well right now we are almost there.
if unions were stronger, then companies like walmart would not be so profitable, and we would not be entrapped in the current geography whereby large corporations intertwine themselves with the world itself and the people ourselves. what's the point of keep the dream alive and hope alive if this is all we do
people listen to their inner voice? let the heart speak for u? there is no lack of work? what r u talking about? i'm talking about bargaining with employers to give employees healthcare and tax breaks. these are real issues. it's about the money.
i'm NOT talking about ideology, socialist or selfish. the new revolution will indeed be achieved when everyone listens to their inner voice and follow it, but that revolution is still people TOGETHER in a COLLECTIVE EFFORT to bring about real change.
all ur saying is that corporate capitalism leaves out the existence of small business individual entrepreneurs, but the two are not mutually exclusive. unions are anti-individual because it is for the collective interest of the people who work at large-scale companies. u should really be saying, "corporate america with its rules and regulations is anti-individual"
No, I've been in a union, and from my experience there, and in the workplace, I find the ideology that binds union members is not much different than all socialistic systems. The new revolution might be best achieved if people listen to their inner voice rather than leaders-- whether corporate capitalists or union leaders. There is no lack of work--only opportunity for the individual to pursue happiness.
Work Union, live better. Unions have an outstanding history of making working conditions better. They got a little greedy, and have since been pummelled. I think it is time for a labor resurgeance, less greedy, but back to its roots, the thinking thatt created child labor laws, and health and safety laws.
How are unions to blame? Unions make up 11% of the workforce. LOL @ thinking they have anything to do with it. BRB unions are causing problems oh btw just gonna toss 700 billion to this bank here.
Alientank 4 weeks ago
unions are disgusting.
SanguineBullet667 1 month ago
Mao Zedong will be proud!!!
UCSDEngineerDoctor 2 months ago
More UNIONS = MORE TAXES for services that does not benefit the taxpayer.
UCSDEngineerDoctor 2 months ago
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We must close union offices,. We must reduce workers salaries and take away their right to strike” ~ Adolf Hitler
F0ra11Fr33m3n 6 months ago
"There's been job loss where unions are" What a shock. The unions ruined General Motors and I watched it happen first hand! Unions need to go away.
tenkins 9 months ago
@tenkins No wait, one more thing, THEN I'm done mangling your ass. It's obvious to me that you have no clue how the union laborer/management relationship works. When union employees see their CEOs flying to DC in private jets to receive bail-out money for a company that collapsed under said CEO's watch, well, why the hell SHOULD they give up anything? If you were to cut the upper-level management's salaries in half, management would STILL be making 5 times what the union employees make.
sandro28grizz 9 months ago
@sandro28grizz Too bad I'm going to blow up your union and kill every union leader there are. What's your plan then?
gamefreak1000000 9 months ago
@gamefreak1000000 You peice of shit. You think murder's ok? What the hells wrong with you. You should be reported and placed in prison where you belong for threatining peoples lives. People like you make me sick. If hell were real you'd burn in it's lowest depths.
CJbass420 5 months ago
@CJbass420 Oh so it's not okay for me to threaten unions, but it's fine if they threaten people who disagree with them with force? Oh there's DEFINITELY no hypocrisy there, right?
gamefreak1000000 5 months ago
@gamefreak1000000 no it's not ok for them to do that at all nor did i ever say it was.
CJbass420 4 months ago
@CJbass420They deserve to be shot in the head and hung until their blood dries. Then their body should be burned to forget that their pitiful existence even happened. Their sick in the head for what they believe in. Nobody in unions work hard nor do they even know what hard work is. People normally accuse CEO's of being rich and not doing much despite that they worked hard to educate themselves, but the union bosses who do NOTHING and don't contribute to society and get paid a lot don't get hate
gamefreak1000000 4 months ago
@tenkins Once unions are gone, greedy corporation can treat their employees like shit. There'll be no one to protect us.
CJbass420 5 months ago
@CJbass420 RRRRight. Because there is a lot of money for the "evil corporations" in having dead employees and unsafe working conditions. Get a clue!
tenkins 5 months ago
@tenkins Oh god way to exagerate things. I never siad they'd puyt our lives at risk, but they can pay us less and not give us time off when we have injuries, hell if we get hurt, without unions they can just fire us. The truth is unions were created to protect workers rights. Read a history book and thenb you'll have a clue. Also I said GREEDY CORPORATIONS not all are greedy or evil. In fact most of them only do bad things because the power they bhold corrupts them.
CJbass420 5 months ago
@CJbass420 Do those corporations kidnap the people and force them to work for a low wage and unfair hours against their will? No, the people have the option of working there. My dad was offered shitty hours with shitty wages. Do you know what he did? He decided not to work there. Unions on the other hand, are made of degenerate people. They take from any company they want or anyone who opposes them. As an example, they oppose Walmart just because they decline unions. They all can go suck my dick
gamefreak1000000 4 months ago
@gamefreak1000000 Wal Mart is one of the biggest scumbag corporations that exists. And no they don't force people to work for them however they move their businesses to china where unions don't exsist and CHILDREN are forced to work 12 hours hard labour everyday. Without Unions every company can pay their employess shit. EVERY company. Where can you work when they all treat you like shit?
CJbass420 4 months ago
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"Where can you work when they all treat you like shit?"
A) Simple, you get a decent all around education and pursue a decent job like Software developing, doing surgery on people, engineering, etc. Unions are bad because they give lazy people wages that they don't deserve. If they want better pay, they need to get their lazy asses to school, get a better education that they lacked when they were young, and get a better quality job that doesn't involve mopping floors.
gamefreak1000000 4 months ago
@gamefreak1000000 I knew it your a fucking smug basterd who thinks he's better then everyone else. If not one mops the floors how will they be clean? If no one works construction, where will live, work, learn and eat? Did you think of that before you though of yourself you smug basterd. You hate union because they give the working class who aren't lazy fair pay. I'd love to see you try and do some physical labour. You wouldn't hack it.
CJbass420 4 months ago
If janitors and construction workers were in such high demand, they would get paid higher wages by the business itself. You say that the union pays people who aren't lazy? LOL are you kidding me? Ever seen a union thug before? They are too lazy to go back to school and get a decent education, so they demand more money because people more educated and work harder than them has to suffer? My dad made over $500k per year when he owned his mortgage company. That was until the unions shut him down.
gamefreak1000000 4 months ago
@gamefreak1000000 Construction workers are always in demand. Just because someone doesn't go school doesn't mean they're lazy. Your only looking at this one way. Your way. First not everyone is born to rich families, second some people prefer physical work like construction, warehouse, etc. third some people simply have no idea what to go to school for, some go alter in life some don't. However there will always be a working class and they work harder than you know.
CJbass420 4 months ago
@gamefreak1000000 Seriously I'd love to see you do warehouse or construction work before you call the workers lazy. However you never answered my main question. What would you do without construction workers and janitors? Would be willing/capable of doing those? Certain people are good at certain things, it's the way the human mind works. I'm sure some unions are corrupt as hell but we do need people to protect workers rights, look at China. We could be them.
CJbass420 4 months ago
@gamefreak1000000 you are so misinformed. maybe you should go get some of that education you keep yelling about.
iculus1972 1 week ago
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sandro28grizz 9 months ago
Unions...are a scam. They want your money and don't offer any real protection anymore except for the laziest employees. Right to work is absolutely necessary!
tenkins 10 months ago
@tenkins Your place of employment must love your brown-nosing ass.
sandro28grizz 9 months ago
"REAL NEWS" my ass.
This is like an English version of Pravda
poisonapple16 10 months ago
Unions have destroyed manufacturing, including the auto industry in America, They area cancer that must be cut out.
md75yt38 10 months ago
Right to work states = representation without taxation. What a concept. The 14 worst business states are all forced union states, while 7 of the top 8 are right to work states.
ace8842 11 months ago
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sandro28grizz 11 months ago
@sandro28grizz More class from the union thugs....you sound like the new mafia.
ace8842 11 months ago
@ace8842 I apologize for my tone (whether you accept it or not is up to you), but I get frustrated when I feel someone is as wrong as I feel you are. Unions have become the boogyman to the right-wing simply because they are a major donor to the DNC. I'm not really a ideological dude as far as politics go, but I am a blue-collar worker (in the private sector) who sees the benefits that unions provide. Are some union bosses crooks? Absolutely, but you get crooks in every field.
sandro28grizz 10 months ago
@sandro28grizz Thanks for being civil. My thing is, to me it is not American to have money taken from workers' pay checks and given to things they don't want. The National Education Association has come out in support of abortion and a lot of pro gay teaching activities. Why should teachers have money taken and given to parties, candidates, or issues that they don't want? That's not freedom of speech To me union bosses are connected to politicians, who are connected to corporations
ace8842 10 months ago
The Union/Collective Bargaining groups are necessary because they provide checks and balances between Wall Street vs. Main Street !
notorioustia 11 months ago
Since Reagan's time, the working class has been at war with itself. Once united in a common cause, they are now attacking each other. Railroad Baron Jay Gould once said, "I can pay one half of the working class to kill off the other half".
MeritisDE 11 months ago
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Unions, unfortunately, while initiated for collective bargaining by the underpaid, overworked many, many years ago, have now become the Original Gangsters. They have done more damage to this country than the Mafia. They need to go the way of the brontosaurus. EXTINCT
xxbobdeexx 1 year ago
I wonder , what if! everyone just stop working for a week?
mobilechief 1 year ago
i hope "the real news" sinks like a led zeppelin!
john27446 1 year ago
There are no need for unions. Workers should negotiate their own wages. If the company doesn't want to pay the amount? Then the laboror can look elsewhere.
SuperGuitarman69 1 year ago
@SuperGuitarman69 This is evil! Of course we are free to look elsewhere, but it is the nature of business to pay as cheaply as possible. In order to secure a living wage, group negotiations achieve far better results.
Thugpreacha 1 year ago
@Thugpreacha No you are completely wrong. It is the nature of business to to sell their product for as much as possible, settling on what they can get in the market. It is in the nature of business to get the best employees possible for optimal price. Why? Not to expand profits but to not go out of business. ie.. UAW and such. I have a degree in economics and owned a business as well. I assure you if my workers would have unionized I would have not have lasted as long as I did.
SuperGuitarman69 1 year ago
@SuperGuitarman69 If you treat your workers fairly and pay them a fair wage, then they won't have any desire to unionize. And if you can't afford to pay your employees a fair wage and give them a working enviroment that they will be satisfied with, then you shouldn't open up a business in the first place. If your local competitors' employees (union AND non-union) are making on average 50% more than your employees are, then you should not be surprised when that union comes banging at your door.
sandro28grizz 1 year ago
@sandro28grizz See, here is food for thought for you. The business needs workers. If they want good workers it is to their advantage to hire competent workers. Now, if it takes money to get these workers. They WILL pay it. Remember, a worker has the CHOICE to work at a business or not. They are NOT being forced to work there. That is why unions are COMPLETE BULLSHIT!!! They can make demands and put a choke hold on a business that has to make payroll, taxes etc... If business fails? They lose all
SuperGuitarman69 1 year ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Doesn't always work that way. Especially now in times of economic recession. If the company's books are not open, the company is going to use the economy as an excuse to treat workers like dirt. They think that they have us by the balls. As I said before, if the company treats it's workers fairly and upholds a working standard that is competitive, then they will have nothing to worry about. If they can't do that, then they shouldn't have opened the business in the first place.
sandro28grizz 1 year ago
@sandro28grizz Your answer is precisly what I am talking about. The business will go out of business if it cannot compete. If the economy slows? The business may not make it. That is the beauty of free market capitalism. It is fair. So hands of government. Let businesses rise and fall. Workers are a part of that. Forcing the hand of business to pay workers a certain amount can cause business to fail. ie... Auto industry. This is why they charge more than japanese companies for cars.
SuperGuitarman69 1 year ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Maybe those businesses should think about things like that first. Instead paying top executives $200000/yr and the workers under $40000, couldn't they even things out a bit so as not to begin a confrontation? I mean, $200000 a year is more than one needs to live comfortably.
sandro28grizz 1 year ago
@sandro28grizz Why? What business is it of yours? Mine? Or the Government what a private company pays their workers or CEO's? Where do we draw the line on freedom? I mean seriously. If a company thinks their CEO's are worth x amount of dollars, isn't that between the shareholders, stockholders, Presidents of the companies and the people involved in the company? What right do you, I, or the government have to come in and run it? Workers can strike or quit. Stockholders can pull out their stock
SuperGuitarman69 1 year ago
@SuperGuitarman69 It IS my business, at least with regard to the company I work for, because it directly affects my standard of living. Unions do not come in and run companies, they negotiate contracts that the workers agree upon. The union does not make the demands, the employees do. The union simply acts as a representative for the employee. When employees act as their own representatives, well, re-read my documentation of what happened when we tried to negotiate without legal backing.
sandro28grizz 1 year ago
@sandro28grizz I TOTALLY agree with you. In your company? Yes it is. But YOU have to do something about it. You need to plead your case to the company. Not have a union delegate who could give a shit less about you do it. They are charlitines. I can prove that too. Unions do not have legal backing. That is a lie to get your dues. I am a musician. I belong to the union. I NEVER use the union to negotiate money. If I did? I'd never work
SuperGuitarman69 1 year ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Did you read that long story about what went on at my company? We TRIED negotiating our own deal, and the company laid a shitload of guys off in retaliation. We WANTED to avoid confrontation, and they brought it to us. So our only option was to get the union, and by default the labor board, involved.
The company has enough money to hire consultants, we don't have the money to hire lawyers to state our case. That is where the union comes in. Now we have a voice.
sandro28grizz 1 year ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Unions DO have legal backing, because once you join, you cannot be fired for frivolous reasons like not seeing eye to eye with your manager or supervisor. Joining a union means that you can file a grievance against your employer, whereas not being a member leaves you to fend for yourself, which will end in your termination 9 times out of 10.
sandro28grizz 1 year ago
@sandro28grizz That's part of the problem. Unions are protecting bad workers. In Colorado, one failing school was allowed to operate outside of union rules. Every teacher but six were let go, and the scores of students increased dramatically. The unions prevent needed change in education.
ace8842 11 months ago
@ace8842 There is change needed, but dismantling union schools will not attract good teachers. The states with the highest test scores are collective bargaining states.
A peer review system that uses unions is more effective at finding bad teachers anyway, and would create more professionalism with less cost than independent review.
NiceMorningHello 11 months ago
@NiceMorningHello Not sure about your statistics. I saw SAT scores from 2008 and the 4th and 5th best states were Missouri and South Dakota, which are right to work states. Maine was 51st, Washington DC 50th, and Hawaii 48th, all forced union states with collective bargaining. Unions cannot be allowed to peer review their own..this looks like another desire to keep control. Many of the collective bargaining states spend more $ on education, the teachers are not better.
ace8842 11 months ago
@ace8842 South Dakota has collective bargaining rights for teachers.
SATs aren't a good measure of achievement because mostly college bound students take them. Even then, they aren't representative of college students because some take other admission tests like ACT. I suggest looking at NAEP state comparisons.
Teachers are better at spotting failures amongst their own than management, and tend to recommend more firings. Also, it's cheaper.
NiceMorningHello 11 months ago
@ace8842 You and your ilk are such idiots. You bitch and moan about taxpayer dollars being wasted, yet teachers are the only public employees you target. Don't you faggots think that there's a ton of waste in most police and fire departments? Why are they exempt from scrutiny? Maybe because little nerds like you are too afraid to take on the police and the firefighters.
sandro28grizz 11 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Bottom line is this - we tried negotiating with the company, they blew us off, and later began picking us off. Now, they HAVE to negotiate with us. That doesn't necessarily mean that we will get everything we want, but at least now the company MUST listen to us. They thought they had us by the balls, and we turned the tables around on them. Didn't help them that every testimony they made before the labor board was shot down within a matter of weeks. FUCK THEM.
sandro28grizz 1 year ago
@SuperGuitarman69 It AMAZES me how people can call those making $40000 a year greedy as opposed to big executives who make 5 times that without breaking a sweat once during the work day.
And if you don't like the union, you can leave, or push to decertify wherever it is you work. You act like it's all some trap to collect your dues. If enough of your co-workers agree with you, then why not decertify the shop?
sandro28grizz 1 year ago
@sandro28grizz What company?
SuperGuitarman69 1 year ago
@SuperGuitarman69 I would rather not say where I work, but I will tell you that it is a web-printing plant in northeastern NJ. The company also have a plant in southern NJ (where they shipped alot of the work when they caught wind of our union activities) and are planning on opening another plant down in the DC/northern Virginia area.
sandro28grizz 1 year ago
@sandro28grizz Well why don't you ask to see in the companies books. See, if in this uncertain economy if they can afford to pay you the union workers what you want, or if they do if they will not go under.
SuperGuitarman69 1 year ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Only an idiot would quit his/her job without having something else lined up. If I could have, I'd have quit a year ago. But there is no safety net for people who quit.
sandro28grizz 1 year ago
@sandro28grizz about the companys crying poor yet not opening the books, 100%correct. most people hate that union workers get a pension and everyone else doesnt. i work for the electric utility that is negotiating to take my pension. all everyone knows is that their electric bill is high, so people say "good, you dont deserve a pension, everyone else prepares for their own retirement" maybe they do, but if you saw the earnings of the shareholders and corporates you may have a different idea
ethanh24 11 months ago
@ethanh24 What can I say, some of our blue-collar brethren are of the mind that no amount of humiliation is too much for them, just as long as they keep their shit jobs. Blue-collar conservatives are the working world's equivalent of the "house negro".
sandro28grizz 11 months ago 7
@sandro28grizz BULLSHIT! You are saying that just because we are poor that we should favor things that benefit us automatically even if it is ruining the economy? "house negro" my ass! Grow up!
tenkins 10 months ago
@tenkins Tell me how unions are ruining the economy. Explain to me exactly how unions are ruining your life. And I'm not talking about public-sector unions, I'm talking about trade unions. Please respond.
sandro28grizz 9 months ago
@sandro28grizz I would continue this discussion with you the same way I continue discussions with every person of intelligence that shows me courtesy, but your "House Negro" comment put an end to this discussion. You don't get anything from me. Now, fuck off.
tenkins 9 months ago
@tenkins Oh please, stop feigning outrage over the "house negro" comment", would you? It's just another way of calling you a useful idiot. Now, I'm done. Scab.
sandro28grizz 9 months ago
@sandro28grizz funny coming from a person that supports the same party that protected slavery and supported segregation so your words of ignorance mean nothing cause your very ignorant to your own political parties practices its ok dont worry your house negroe will be to you soon enough and you can have a seperate bathrooms set up for him
Southernjuggalo63 9 months ago
@Southernjuggalo63 Hey retarded jackass who can't form a proper sentence, I am not a Democrap. Nor am I a Republicunt. Take your two-party "democracy" and shove it up your ass.
sandro28grizz 9 months ago
@sandro28grizz hey dumbass there is a 3rd party called independents and thats where i am haha
Southernjuggalo63 9 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 same with labor lwas huh y need them maybe sweatshops are more ur style
MrFREEDOMRIDER1959 1 year ago
@MrFREEDOMRIDER1959 I only could afford what I could afford. They made good money for the 5 hours 3 times a week they worked. they had to have second jobs. with me not paying taxes and all the regulation crap? Could've paid them much much more and would of. I needed the help. Government costs jobs. At least Obama government
SuperGuitarman69 1 year ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Being a member of a union DOES mean that workers negotiate their own wages, pension contributions, healthcare plans, working conditions, etc. A committee of employees is formed, and those employees (selected by their peers) are responsible for conveying what they want from the company. Unions don't make demands of employers without the say-so of the committee. This is the way it works in the private sector, I'm not entirely sure about the massive public sector unions.
sandro28grizz 1 year ago
@SuperGuitarman69 There is a need for unions, they afford workers legal protection against employers. I have an example for you. A few months ago, my co-workers and myself were in the very beginning of discussing unionizing our plant. Hoping to avoid the confrontation that usually accompanies a unionizing effort, we decided to have two of our co-workers sit down with management and the owner to discuss things that we were unhappy about.
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sandro28grizz 1 year ago
@sandro28grizz So these two employees made their presentation, management listened, and then basically went on with their business as if the whole thing never happened. Then about a month later, both of these men were let go due to "slow economic conditions", even though our workload had not changed one bit. You see, we TRIED negotiating for ourselves first, and that's what happened. Realizing that management didn't give a damn about our concerns, we pressed ahead. Now it was war.
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sandro28grizz 1 year ago
@sandro28grizz The organizing effort gained more and more steam as the managers pissed off more and more people, until about 70% of the proposed bargaining unit had signed union cards. We met with the union leaders, and gave them permission to file our request to unionize our shop with the NLRB. The company got wind, and announced crew consolidations a few weeks later. The week before this new schedule was to go into effect, 11 people were let go (of which 9 had signed union cards)
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sandro28grizz 1 year ago
@sandro28grizz But we kept on with the effort, enduring cries of poverty and meetings from management about they thought it was a bad idea for us to unionize. Well, you'll be happy to know that we won the vote a few weeks ago, but negotiations are in limbo because the company is being brought up on charges for laying specific people off due to union activity (LOL).
This all would have been avoided if they would have just taken those two guys and their presentation seriously.
sandro28grizz 1 year ago
how come when unions gain power everyone gets on the case. when corporation gain power with executives make millions a year, everyone praises them
happyland1234 2 years ago 13
@happyland1234 I don't believe anyone praises them when they receive subsidies or government bailouts, but in all other cases they either rightfully bought or started the company they're executives of now so they have every right to the money they earn unlike the thieving spoiled unions who even threaten other workers to join that don't want the unions. Every employee in the company (in the U.S.) has the right to go out and start his own company so why not do that instead starting a union
zanariot 1 year ago
@zanariot Yaea dummy and the corps will shut ya down wake up Green horn
mobilechief 1 year ago
@mobilechief really? Will they? I'm pretty sure only the law can do that forcefully, but don't blame the "corps" for that, blame special interest politicians.
zanariot 1 year ago
@happyland1234 The private sector creates jobs, the public sector for the most part does not. If a corporation's leader pays himself too much, he hurts his business. Private workers can't go on strike because their business suffers, but public unions can do it at will, which is why they should not exist, as FDR said.
ace8842 11 months ago
@happyland1234 its called capitalism its how private business works in america
Southernjuggalo63 9 months ago
@happyland1234 Because business actually produce something and create jobs. Unions just barge right in and start dictating. Unions should be illegal, espically in the public sector.
fargonbastedge 3 months ago
Union needs to take the tasks of banking for savings and loans for local communities then the general public and small businesses will count unions as themselves. Just check where are those policies make unions a special class and you can start changing them into involving local communities. Then communities will grow unions into one of their branches.
beancube2008 2 years ago
If unions didn't support anti-gun, pro-gay marraige, pro-abortion, pro-trial lawyers, pro-illegal immigrant, far left candidates...I might could see myself at least listening to what they have to say. Until them I have ZERO use for them.
71NovaSS 2 years ago
I almost agree with you except for in my version.
I need the unions but wish they weren't all about loving the qweers, hating guns and don't get me started on the Lefty politics. As for illegals it seems counter intuitive for an organization that defends workers to defend those who steal their jobs for a fraction of the cost.
solorbomber 2 years ago
@solorbomber Unions are concerned with representing a group of employees in negotiations with their employer. It is not the problem of the union if the employer has hired illegals. It is the employer's problem for hiring the illegal in the first place.
sandro28grizz 1 year ago
@71NovaSS I wouldn't say that all unions support those issues at all. The goal of unions is to secure fair working contracts for it's members, that's it. They have absolutely NOTHING to do with gun laws or gay-marriage.
sandro28grizz 1 year ago
we need unions here in america people forget what the unions have negoitated for over the years fair pay 40 hour work week benifit packages for workers without unions the american worker has no collective voice.
smiller225 2 years ago
The right to peaceably assemble. The right to Free speech. If you're against Unions you're a socialist.
just4funzees 2 years ago
An evil woman. All unions must be destroyed. All collectives that FORCE membership and membership dues should be destroyed. We will push back with force against the Unions and the Fed.
PatriotsRepublic 2 years ago
When we go to war with unions, there will be blood. We will destroy you all!!!
PatriotsRepublic 2 years ago
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I personally hope every union member everywhere loses their job. But that will never happen because the statists you elect into government will continue to rob the citizens to pay your wages. Even after you have already destroyed the company. But one thing is for sure: I will personally never buy union made, and I am not alone. Fuck you all.
Minionuup 2 years ago
so the people that put together make say 10,000,000 are bad but the one man who makes 60 million is just okay
sgsfdgfsdfsdfsddf 2 years ago
Stratvic is a trickle down Reagonite who never had to work is his entire life.You made your money the old fashioned way:...by inheritance.The free market really works well for millions of college grads now working in the mall and the increasing number of homeless.What a counrty!! Iknow what you are thinking...leave.Get me a visa for for Sweden and I will.Norway,Australia,N.Z...ok too.I am not worth millions like you are.I will be happy to pay higher taxes for Scandinavian socialism.
hiroguam 2 years ago
its funny that she brought up heath care vs. education seeing as we have some of the highest standards for health care in the United States (although not available for all) and some of the worst schools...
dejavu85308 2 years ago
This woman is clearly unable to think rationally. No person should have more rights than any other.
That means no 'union rights' in the modern sense.
(that also means No Government, but that is an issue for another time..)
~(A)~
PS: just as raising the minimum wage artificially above the market value creates unemployment and price increases. So too, the union projects on specific locations have a similar result. But, bottom line: Despotism is not a solution, economically and morally.
FreiheitKampfer 2 years ago
i like the interview, but, the terms seem to revolve around unions being the default or preferred state of "the workforce".
walkwalkslow 2 years ago
It has always shocked when union organizers come into to a workplace and are met with such overwhelming apathy.I worked in a bank call center and no one ....especially the young...was interested.Everyone worked liked slaves and the turnover was unbelievable.Same thing going on now in government with the TSA.
hiroguam 2 years ago
If turnover was high it appears the market is already working for those who don't like working there.
"Everyone worked liked slaves..." Why do you work there?
stratvic 2 years ago
All I've got to say on the matter is Margret fucking Thatcher. end quote.
bogwarriorG 2 years ago
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a LIBERAL!
peymaania 2 years ago
Unions? you guys are kidding me.
They were great before gov't stuck its head in there with force of a shotgun aimed @ companies.
Combined with Excessive taxation & regulations, there's the underlying principal that initiated outsourcing.
Here's a right: Right to get off your ass & stop drinking beer on the weekends & starting your own companies.
luckyvet 2 years ago
Who's the retard behind this fuzzy headed monkey? Love REALNEWS. Listen, labor never stood a chance, anytime it made headway motherfuckers got killed and imprisoned ...MAY DAY you fat capitalist shit fucki'n baboons.
fallingrateofprofit 2 years ago
epically petic my friend epic
vandall 2 years ago
Like most of what gov does in regulating the economy, interfering in the rights of individuals to associate with one another has been disastrous. But forced associations is just as bad. The integrity of a union is only as good as the individual's right to choose to join or not. Forcing someone to belong to a union in order to get or keep a job is just as wrong as the gov interfering with the right to organize with others to negotiate better working conditions and wages.
bbburton 2 years ago
workers overwhelmingly chose unions. people polled in both union and non-union jobs all prefer to have or keep a union. at least with unions, you are being democratic in following the will of the people.
spartan2600 2 years ago
"workers overwhelmingly chose unions. people polled in both union and non-union jobs all prefer to have or keep a union."
This is pure BS. Not all workers want a union to take their money or lord over them union rules and policies. When people join a union, they rarely have a choice in the matter if they want the job or don't want to be singled out for hostilities and ostracism.
You know what that is called BTW? A democracy... And that is why republics are better.
Mob rule sucks.
kmg501 2 years ago
Actually I see some truth to the quote. The equation to union is this.
Union + Employees = Union benefits + Employee benefits + Employers pay
That being said, unionization means less business will be successful = less jobs.
spiritsA 2 years ago 2
unionization doesn't mean less business, it means businessmen have to work harder. take Germany, one of the top economies and richest nations in the world. they also have an extremely high rate of union membership, (and coincidently among the highest tax rates in the world). the logic entirely breaks down once you look around.
spartan2600 2 years ago
I didn't say EVERYONE wants unions, merely the "overwhelming majority." you can look up gallup polls. Yes, people DO have a choice in the matter of whether they unionize or not, I really have to wonder if you understand how unions work or not. People actually *vote* on whether or not they want it (mob rule, I know). Both sides have tried to coerce, but the amount Unions do doesn't even compare to busines
"Mob rule sucks."
The old European aristocrats and you both have something to agree about.
spartan2600 2 years ago
How does a business coerce you?
They offer you a job which you can leave.
stratvic 2 years ago
why shoudl you have to get up and leave your job? The corporation has an "ethical" obligation to pay a living wage, benefits, and pension.... but ethics and business dont mix.... THATS WHY WE NEED UNIONS! UNION YES
HughieGphiladelphia 2 years ago
that's what conservatives don't understand. If their feet isn't to the fire they don't care about anything but themselves.
PersonalJesus348 2 years ago
modern [neo]conservatives do not care about business unless they are paying their wages.
This economy is fascist and can easily shift toward socialist, but the difference will be hard to notice. Unemployment will continue to climb, living standards will continue to fall.
This is because the politically despotic model of the world is unsustainable. No person should have more rights than another. That means an end of the government that is the largest burden on society, than the world's ever seen
FreiheitKampfer 2 years ago
Right one!
PersonalJesus348 2 years ago
"why shoudl you have to get up and leave your job?"
Because you don't like it.
If your friend did not buy you a good enough birthday present. ... would you force them to?
It might take more effort and initiative to you to look for another job than creating a mob and making demands and threats. But that doesn't mean that it is the right thing to do.
stratvic 2 years ago
And whose polls are you referring to? You completely missed the point of my response to the vid. I'm for freedom of association, but against forced associations. Whether it's gov or private compulsion makes no difference. No one has a "right" to a job any more than they have a "right" to a house or car. We all have a right to our lives, our freedom and liberty, and our personal property obtained through our own efforts. No one can take that away from you or force you to join a group to get it.
bbburton 2 years ago
a gallup poll. you know what google is, use it.
don't you see the contradictions? if someone has a right to a life, then they must either have a right to a job (a living) or a right to welfare or something. they do a great job, but the world's charities can't feed ALL the worlds unemployed and poor. that's where welfare and unemployment insurance come in. I would add that everyone does have a right to a job. there is no freedom or liberty in begging in the streets with your face in the mud.
spartan2600 2 years ago
America is a Union!!
biguy617 2 years ago
Well we are forced to do things when we enjoy group benefits: taxes we pay, jury duty, etc. Try to skip on any of those and the "forced" part will become obvious. Unions deliver huge benefits to all blue color workers and not paying union dues or participating in meetings is an obvious way to "cheat" the system, but still enjoy benefits those union provide for all employees. Without obligatory participations many unions will disappear, just as without taxes governments will.
elbabun 2 years ago
I have no problem with gov disappearing. When gov fails in its duties, it is the right of the gov to replace it. Unions don't work that way. Once they take over, there is no getting rid of them. There is a huge difference between limited gov and unions, and comparing the two is like claiming apples and oranges are alike simply because they are fruit. I have no problem with unions per se, so long as no one is forced to join them. Voluntary associations should be encouraged, but never mandated.
bbburton 2 years ago 2
Well, when governments fell in France and Russia in 1792 and 1917 nothing good came out of it. Government is necessary and anybody claiming to the contrary never simply lived through those "happy" times. Read about former Soviet Republics after the fall of communism and depravity that spread.
elbabun 2 years ago
they were no goverments!the were killers!and in 1917 after the revolution was built the best goverment that the humand kind has ever seen!
jsoviet 2 years ago
I would agree that in USSR government did a lot of good things for population - literacy rates did increase to 99.6% from 20-30% in one generation. But most improvements came in the second half of its existence. It is hard for me to accept enormous death tall of revolution/civil war and Stalin's purges. Also were it not for fear of communism West would not have supported Hitler during Munich Accord as well and WW2 might have been avoided.
elbabun 2 years ago
bbburton, this is the problem with the workplace,we don't educate enough in it. The statement you made, "once they take over, there is no getting rid of them." First point, you make the union sound like some third party figure. The UNION, is made up of workers and they are represented by elected representatives who are also workers and are elected by workers. Second point, If the workers so choose not to have representation anymore they can do what they call a de-certification.Check the web.
gatorlu295 2 years ago
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gatorlu295 2 years ago
@bbburton Certain southern states have what are called "right to work" laws, in which you have union and non-union workers working side-by-side. The only problem I have with that is those non-union workers do not pay dues, but they still benefit from the wage increases/pensions secured by the union. Those laws should be amended to ensure that only union members benefit from the collective bargaining agreements. The union should not be forced to represent people who are not members.
sandro28grizz 1 year ago
@sandro28grizz ...That's absolutely correct. Unions negotiate wages, hours and working conditions. In Right-to-Work states, those people who choose to NOT join the Union benefit from the fruits of Union negotiating. It is absurd to allow these people to improve their lots in life on the backs of dues paying union members....all the while talking shit about the very entity that has secured these conditions for them.
DaddySez 1 year ago
@bbburton ..The problem with your position on voluntary association is that people who choose not to join the union still reap the benefits of union negotiating, for free mind you. Taft-Hartley opened the doors to Right-to-Work states. Think about it....Why should someone who doesn't pay union dues be able to participate in gains made by negotiations sponsored by union dues?
DaddySez 1 year ago
Unions here in America and around the world should teach people how, even if workers are not directly signed up and members of unions, workers and the Middle Class everywhere benefit from the progress unions collectively bargain for. I am talking about the progress for all workers in the 20th Century. I worked for non-union R.R. Donnelley and Walmart Stores among others, and got trashed. I live in New Hampshire, a "Right to Work" State. Workers get abused and mistreated here. Companies 2nd Class
mdelcamp1 2 years ago
Maintaining closed shops is abuse of workers?
stratvic 2 years ago
Closed shops means no card check, obviously. Non-Union politicians go after Union Negotiated and Management Approved Worker Benefits first. Foreign countries and their corporate slave governments actually go around killing Union Organizers. You can call it "closed ship" and I will call it what it is: yes, abusive of workers and of the interests of business and societies. Without a doubt. You must not be paying attention, as this is quite evident to me and to most intelligent, observant people.
mdelcamp1 2 years ago
"Right to work" is the deliberate legal measure to prevent closed shops being formed.
stratvic 2 years ago
Okay, I stand corrected -- closed shops are unionized shops. I liked working in jobs that were unionized, including Maine paper mills and an iron foundry and in-house or fake union environments such as Hannaford Bros. grocery warehouse. I did not like the strict seniority for job progression, because I was a young man back then. Since then, I have decided unions are far better for our economy than commonly recognized, and corporations and owners far worse. People do not know their own interests.
mdelcamp1 2 years ago
the sad reason they do not know their own interests is because they listen to people on tv and radio drill into them the idea that whatever is good for the rich and the businesses is good for everyone. the rich dominate and control radio and tv after all, so they simply do what is in their own interest- demonize unions.
spartan2600 2 years ago
Yes, I agree with you, Spartan. However, I was referring to the Rich, when I was commenting that "People do not know their own interests" below. I ran out of room to type. Companies should know, that after this American recessionary period, they are going to find labor markets tightening up again, quite severely. I think they know this much, at least. The smarter ones in business, anyway. Panic, or trash your workers now, pay the price later. Look at Circuit City vis a vis Best Buy, for one exam
mdelcamp1 2 years ago
Unions look out for the interests of the people. Someone needs to. There is no human factor in the corporate bottom line.
peacetrees 2 years ago
besides that, unions are a democratizing influence. they get people engaged in the democratic process, both within unions themselves and within the local, state, and federal governments. this is one of the most terrifying things for the wealthy business owners, THEY demand a monopoly on control, and unions represent a challenge to this.
spartan2600 2 years ago
Very good point.
peacetrees 2 years ago
United we bargain, divided we beg
JeBusARMY 2 years ago 4
Exactly. If you don't have Unions, it's every man and woman for themselves. Is that the kind of thing that makes a strong economy? Cutting each other's throats for a job? Are we back to pretending that employers give a person a job out of benevolence and as a favor? That we should be infinitely thankful?
My grandfather ran a Union, and he knew how important Unions were in being able to help people be safe and supported.
People shouldn't have to be at the mercy of their employers!
GetTheCans 2 years ago 2
Change the name from Union to Guild and have a more of a traditional name.
ManufacturedThoughts 2 years ago
Plane and simple it is call Corporate greed don't let the workers get paid what they are entitled to .
GO2NU8 2 years ago 6
What are workers entitled to?
Are workers emboldened with union power subject to greed?
We know union leaders are.
stratvic 2 years ago
The union is such a diverse topic. Where does one start when supporting or criticizing it? Personally I am all for Unionization, but the modern union has lost touch with reality. I saw a union worker on TV getting interviewed talking about how he wouldn't be able to make it on less than 75K a year. Gimme a break pal. The unions are chock full of Greedy voices these days that make 50$ to 90$ an hour and have 3 cars on lease for 500$ a piece as opposed to having 2 bought and paid for.
kjpdqpb 2 years ago
realize that the TV news corporations are ran by the wealthy, whose prime enemy is the organized worker. the news does what it can to demonize unions. if there really was someone who was part of a union complaining that 75K wasn't enough to live on, that doesn't represent the reality for everyone else. I work in a union, and I guarantee you the most senior and productive worker in my ware house doesn't make more than 40K, the average income in the US.
unions are NOT chock full of rich people.
spartan2600 2 years ago
My myspace heroes are listed as Jimmy Hoffa and Mussolini. I am for Unions. But in in NY state and places like Detroit some of the common unions are so built up and have piled so much lazy overpayed bullshit into themselves the Unions are dying. The employers can't afford the work anymore and the unions are successfully killing themselves. Unionization is the equivalent of American communism, it is a system designed for all our good that ultimately becomes corrupted by itself and fails.
kjpdqpb 2 years ago
Today's unions are damned hypocrites. My union invested money in the company before the negotiation for the renewal of our work contract. What does that us? That they're a bunch of two-faced bastards. I'd rather be in an independant union or the Wobblies...
TheAnarchist33 2 years ago 2
Anarchist: doesn't that make you question whether or not you're dealing with a real union? A lot of the so-called unions springing up recently in response to worker dissatisfaction are actually an extension of a company's human resource department. They're not a pro-worker resources they are pro-company spin teams meant to make workers undervalue their actual worth and feel guilty about asking for a living wage and decent benefits.
FriedDaisy 2 years ago
It's a real union, one of the oldest and largest in the country. They've started investing in companies by creating a financial branch, that apparently has nothing to do with the Union and labor relations, in order to maintain jobs and keep companies with potential open. The road to hell is paved with good intentions!!! In my view, they are slowly becoming tools of the elite rather than protectors of the working man's rights, they're playing the bankers game, damned hypocrites!
TheAnarchist33 2 years ago
This sure explains a lot as to why America, (and the world as whole, to a great degree) is in the shape that it's in. Wealth was systematically taken from those that do the actual work and was funnelled upwards to those at the top that don't. This was theft from the workers to the owners, from the middle class to the upper class. For shame! The rich and powerful don't care about their fellow men -- in fact, they despise them. They want the whole pie rather than divide it up fairly with everyone.
JixMa 2 years ago
For those of you who think unions are bad, just wait until we don't have any more. Then your job just might be the next one the company no longer values as much!
United we stand divided we fall! We are falling and we need to be reunited. The rank and file need to become active and demand the union is more representative of the workers.
Union forever.
Peace.
nowellian 2 years ago 2
there was a time when unions didn't exist and employers had all the rights. we call this era of humanity feudalism.
spartan2600 2 years ago 2
well at least youtube isn't short on paranoid socialists.
boxant 2 years ago
Unions are the last bastion of non violent resistance left. The great brainwashed gop masses have been paramount in selling this union busting mentality.
People need to start unionizing now before everything is gone and what jobs are left are handed to those who will take them for the least pay and benefits.
Mahoivlich 2 years ago 2
union jobs suck, I can't get ahead by working harder, stuck behind incompetence, can't get rid of shitty workers, union lawyers protect them. benefits are not covering life costs, but can't go for a big raise, got to wait for the yearly raise which sucks because they split all growth between all workers. no reason to work hard, just hard enough to not get fired.
iTellYouNoLie 2 years ago
The Republicans have been working on destroying the unions since they killed JFK.They want a depression and they want Americans to be broke & deperate.Eventually Americans will be so desperate they will be willing to work for a bowl of rice.Thier plan is going pretty well right now we are almost there.
themeaningoflife38 2 years ago 2
*whispers* I think she's on testosterone!
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LoveAmericaStyle 2 years ago
if unions were stronger, then companies like walmart would not be so profitable, and we would not be entrapped in the current geography whereby large corporations intertwine themselves with the world itself and the people ourselves. what's the point of keep the dream alive and hope alive if this is all we do
Thizzmotion 2 years ago
b.
"Goodness is the primary measurement of happiness; nothing collective can effectively speak for your heart like your own motivated spirit"
~~cc
carefulcarpenter 2 years ago
people listen to their inner voice? let the heart speak for u? there is no lack of work? what r u talking about? i'm talking about bargaining with employers to give employees healthcare and tax breaks. these are real issues. it's about the money.
i'm NOT talking about ideology, socialist or selfish. the new revolution will indeed be achieved when everyone listens to their inner voice and follow it, but that revolution is still people TOGETHER in a COLLECTIVE EFFORT to bring about real change.
Thizzmotion 2 years ago
"Small fish swim in schools; the Great White shark swims alone"
~~cc
Ask yourself: who ORGANIZED labor unions?
"Right to work" has protected my ability to work independently of a union. Is ALL work at a scale that requires organized workers?
I am not anti-union, but unions are anti-
'the individual".
carefulcarpenter 2 years ago
all ur saying is that corporate capitalism leaves out the existence of small business individual entrepreneurs, but the two are not mutually exclusive. unions are anti-individual because it is for the collective interest of the people who work at large-scale companies. u should really be saying, "corporate america with its rules and regulations is anti-individual"
Thizzmotion 2 years ago
a.
Thizzmotion--
No, I've been in a union, and from my experience there, and in the workplace, I find the ideology that binds union members is not much different than all socialistic systems. The new revolution might be best achieved if people listen to their inner voice rather than leaders-- whether corporate capitalists or union leaders. There is no lack of work--only opportunity for the individual to pursue happiness.
carefulcarpenter 2 years ago
Work Union, live better. Unions have an outstanding history of making working conditions better. They got a little greedy, and have since been pummelled. I think it is time for a labor resurgeance, less greedy, but back to its roots, the thinking thatt created child labor laws, and health and safety laws.
mtlsoul 2 years ago 2