@MetaBob Alan Watts was NOT an Atheist. In fact he mentioned Atheist in one of his lectures as people missing the point entirely. If you BELIEVE that there is NO GOD, this means that you acknowledged God as not existing. This is like saying, I do not believe there is a glass of milk in the next room, when others say there is. You can either KNOW or NOT KNOW. You can not have it both ways. Atheists logic is not rationale. In programming terms we call this divide by ZERO error.
@freeadplanet Atheism and Theism go to belief, not knowledge. Agnosticism and Gnosticism go to knowledge. I can't force myself to believe, I just don't see any evidence, but on the same hand I don't know for sure that there isn't and I maintain an open mind. Since I don't believe and I don't know, I am an Agnostic Atheist. Atheism isn't a position on its own, but a response to the positions of others. As an intellectually honest person all I can say is "I don't know"
Everything truly has no name. The rocks, the trees, the grass, The stars in the sky. They are all truly nameless at their source. We gave it all names and meaning with the gift of consciousness. Everything in the universe has this same consciousness, just at different complexity's. The planets deal in action/reaction. We deal in it with our emotions and the choices we make but it is still all coming from pure potential consciousness of "nothing". This is what Allan Watts was about.
Your regurgitation of experience, genes, and instinct in any given situation as a reaction to what your sensory organs relay to the mind is deemed personality. How "I" react. What that random array of particles and perceivable cosmic energy, as it harmoniously vibrated across my vision, meant to "me". We all perceive from the same objective source, things are how they are, and you're always wrong. Realize this, knowledge is knowing nothing.
Think. The water would leak through, any belief system or declaration on the universe has holes. Emotions are evolutionary, we are hairless apes that think. Free your body from your ego. As all of you comes from nature, you're ego as well, has purpose, not meaning. As an atheist, agree all things are meaningless energy, and your location in the universe and your sense's sensitivity to the location, and the act of observing create the universe around you.
The only thing you know is that you know nothing. Atheism is not faith, it's a belief system. Not really a religion as it means to Americans, or the rest of the world as it may subjectively mean to each person occupying that country. Atheism, as all religions, selects a number and says "I believe in that many Gods." Philosophy terms this philosophical suicide. Allan Watts compares attempting to label, or create any maxim, to sending a package of water to a friend in a paper wrap.
Thank God (lol) I'm not the only one who is pointing out that a primal creator isn't fundamentally linked to Spiritual understandings. Very well laid out.
wishy washy dude. Atheism = unawareness. I "was" completely an atheist, 100%, for 35 years because nothing in the form of direct "personal" experience offered any proof that I could see was valid in any way. Salvia Divinorum changed all that, eventually, through effort and perseverance.
@MeltUp3 no no, thats not what said at all, do i need to repeat what is written above? Atheism is all i got for 35 years and then i got something else, something that was able to prove its validity and power(s) "in a loving way" and love is something i didn't "believe in" either while being an atheist. and love is the power, the force that mostly goes unseen, yet never the less is as real as gravity and doesn't require anyones belief in it to be something that effects everyone and everything.
@kaiagavin I think that the Salvia has done it's thing on you... Love is a combinations of feelings and, if you ask me, mostly based on the emotion "greed". But that's just me.
Perhaps I'm slow but I don't get what you're talking about.
"Atheism is all i got for 35 years and then i got something else [sic!]" implies that you're no longer an atheist. Or is it that you think you were wrong about the way you looked at atheism and the found a different, and more correct, way of looking at it?
@MeltUp3 its no suprise that love is just as misunderstood as the spiritual dimension that eludes both atheist and religious "believers" and yes, I can no longer claim to be a atheist, and its not because i was a "non-believer" and now i am, again beliefs are not required or relevant. i don't believe in gravity, i know it exists and has a purpose, just like inertia, your resistance to change is only natural. i understand you.
@MeltUp3 again with the "beliefs". NO, please don't get stuck on what you believe at this time, a mind is closed when it does not allow any new information in. I know this is challenging your crystalized ideas, and please do not take this personally,i am not attacking you, and you'll miss the point. Resistance is only overcome when you are ready to let go. And letting go is never easy. And YES, love is some kind of magic, believe it or not.
Excuse me but wth are you talking about? All I said was that love is a mixture of different feelings and you said that I was wrong and now you've gone completely off topic.
How is love magic? How is it not firing of electrical signals through our neurons?
@MeltUp3 talking about love and sticking to the point, its so much more than just " feelings", it is magickal because its the power and force that makes the seemingly impossible, quite possible. A christian would say, "its a miracle" but I prefer to think of it as divine intervention, or if you wish, the source of the electrical signals that are firing through our neurons AND everything else that vibrates with energy, all matter, of which we are part. God is love and nothing else.
I share your views and Alan Watts views: his philosophy / psychotherapy is profound in it's fundamental truths. When he says we are all God, he means we and the universe are one and the same. We are the conscious universe.
Truth is pretty simple, but complex in that it can be experienced many different ways. I didn't like the fact that you called, you're attempts to paraphrase Watts cute, when in fact all the works I've encountered from Watts are very simple, easily understood, so simple it's hard to dispute. That's the main problem when people are trying to prove their points to others, they're too complicated and too focused on proving someone else wrong than just making a simplistic truthful statement.
you are very spiritual....and that is awesome....I would consider myself a very spiritual atheist as well and it is nice to see that there are other people out there that don't think so black and white...thanks.
You are awesome. As an atheist I was naturally skeptical of Alan Watts at first but that didn't last long, because he never (to my knowledge) said anything that I would consider "anti-reality". He certainly adds a lot of depth to the atheist's view. Subscribed.
Thanks for alan watts videos. Im really poor. I know that alan represents a charm of knowledgable expression and the collective benifits from it as the old will find obsoletion. Id be your maid if i can read your books.
there is no such thing as an atheist. people can pretend but that is all - they allow themselves to be lazy and lose a desire to explain life. then they influence the most awful and despicable acts because if god doesn't exists then "sin " doesn't exist - so they murder babies and have homosexual relationships and they die - praying to the god they have never accepted.
@killacounty really, no one has responded to this yet? Catholic Priests rape little boys all the time, and the pope and the vatican cover it up because it brings embarrassment to the church. Instead of protecting innocent people, they protect themselves. I would rather be aborted by an atheist than raped by a believer of god and told to keep quiet about it. Homosexuality is a way of being, just like heterosexuality. It is common in nature, not an abomination, fuck your god, I pray you STFU&DIE.
@kingkersis1 By the way, using 'fag' as an insult is just as horrible as anything i said about that bullshit jack-off in the sky you like to call god. god is too busy banging virgins to care about you. I took the time to read your past comments, and based on the fact that you like to call people ugly, i conclude you are a hideous fucktard that likes to talk to god because no one else can stand to listen to you.
@afatdutch - you simply have a problem with language, you cant handle words - you are incapable of linking positive notations to concepts - denying god is making an assertion that there is no god - but the only thing we know is that we know nothing so such an assertion is a step toward the ego, the apple assuming it has knowledge of the tree or of the world. the fact is that our existence has rules, some of these rules work like magic, all we know is that they work never why.
@killacounty No, none of the rules in the world work like magic. Humans only assume its magic until science finds the answer. In greece, lightening was magic, so god did it. Now, the origin of life is magic, so god did it. assuming god created the entire universe for human beings is more egotistical than assuming everything just is, because it is. as you said, we know nothing, so why assume all this heaven and hell and angels and demons crap. I deny God as much as I deny Santa.
@afatdutch - none of the rules work like magic are you kidding me? you really believe that science justifies itself, all science is is a drafting of rules that already exist and many of those rules we can not understand why just how - for example every atomic structure has the ability to fission into another atomic structure meaning that we can turn gold into silver and water into wine, beyond that quantum physics has determined the existence of quarks which can not be explained.
@killacounty 1. our bodies do not contain every element, that is false. 2. you cannot turn gold into silver, that is alchemy(magic) and is not real 3. if you define the planet earth as your god, than you just define anything greater than you a god, that is ridiculous 4. the hypothalamus is not shrunken in homosexuals, it is just structured differently, proof that being gay is not a choice to sin against god 5. I am not offended by god, im offended by people using god to hate others
@afatdutch - you are truly exposing you limited knowledge here - 1 the human body contains the building blocks for every eliment and is able to transform elements on an atomic level! 2- the process of fission is the process of adapting atoms - all metallic elements are pure energy and the atomic structures can be adapted through fission to manipulate the element into any other metal. alchemy is for al-chemists do you understand that means chemistry? is chemistry not real just like god?
@killacounty atoms are the building blocks for all elements, and are indeed in every human, rock and tree. but you didnt say atoms, you said the human body contains every element (gold, boron, plutonium) which it doesnt. alchemy is not real, its just not, you cannot take one metal and turn it into gold, and that is the definition of alchemy. alchemy is to chemistry as levitation is to jumping. one is impossible, one is not.
@afatdutch - you are honestly off base - al-chemists discovered many of the elements such as potassium and mercury, look up how fission. I cant believe you don't believe in god and have no clue of science, one would think you know something - gold can absolutely be transformed into any metal much as the element you mention (plutonium or radium) is a man made element by transforming uranium by injecting extra neutrons into the atoms and making it heavier, so ya, no man made elements in the body.
@killacounty DUDE!!! go to google, look up ALCHEMY, in fact, type in 'alchemy definition' and see what comes up. many great scientists were also alchemists, because they believed you could turn lead or iron into gold, that doesnt make it true, no matter what else they did with their life. do you really think we can turn metal into gold? really? comeon, really?????
@afatdutch btw, plutonium is found naturally in the planet at very small quantities, we just make it because it is easier and safer than going out and collecting it.
@afatdutch --DUDE do I really have to do your research for you look up synthesis of precious metals dumb ass!, the word alchemist has the word chemist in it and is in fact the tittle for the first chemists why would I have to look that up a child has the for sight to see this word! thats your fucking problem you have no knowledge of terminology and have defined all the words you use yourself - LOOK outside yourself!
@killacounty I dont really care about alchemy to be honest, thats not why i am talking to you right now, this is why i started talking to you: about atheists you said "they allow themselves to be lazy and lose a desire to explain life. then they influence the most awful and despicable acts because if god doesn't exists then "sin " doesn't exist - so they murder babies and have homosexual relationships and they die" the conversation had its evolution, and has veered off course.
@afatdutch if you want to keep defending your position that the small percentage of atheists in the world are the ones causing the problems and are despicable people with their gayness and abortion loving ways, and that christians dont commit horrible 'sins' because they have a fear of perdition, and are therefore better people, go ahead. but you seem to like jumping around (elements in the body, alchemy coffee pots?), instead of holding your ground, and im getting tired of chasing you. GL to U.
@killacounty wow, you have officially given up. i never said i dont have fear, everyone does. what does fear have to do with anything i just said? just dont discriminate based on your faith. its real easy.
@killacounty what exactly are you afraid of that makes you believe in god? death? having to live without having an omnipotent being watching your back, guiding you? just curious, your comment about fear really has me perplexed, since I made no mention of not being afraid. I dont discard the concept of god because i have no fear, its just that there is no reason to believe in one religion over the other, or one god over another. there is no proof for any of it.
@afatdutch I think alot of "atheists" are terrified, so they take on this materialist "tough guy" attitude, i.e "I dont need god cause Im not scared" "When you're dead, you're dead"(however a true materialist will tell you there is no death) There is also comfort taken in "science" and mathematics, as a form of divination. Animals are sacrificed for experiments.
There is no proof of anything, as there is no INTELLECTUAL vantage point. There is a vantage point... but YOU'LL have to find it...
@jackrowet1234 There is no proof of anything - well, there is proof that mankind has always invented gods, and everyone believes all gods except their own are false. I like how you put science in quotes, like it isn't reliable. next time you fly in an airplane, just realize it is science, not faith that is making you stay in the air. What exactly are atheists like me afraid of, do you think?
@jackrowet1234 one more note, religion was the original sacrificer of animals, and even jesus christ was sacrificed as 'the lamb of god'. sooo, it is funny that you are so against sacrifice for the greater good.
@afatdutch Religion was the original science, and by the way, I mean "science" as in real science, not one hijacked by the logical/positivis/materialist, the way the church hijacked christianity...funny how things get switched around like that...
Respond to this video... lenntech.com/periodic-chart-elements/human-body.htm here ya go, take a look at exactly how many natural elements are in the human body. not that this has anything to do with god, but it is one more area where you are wrong.
@afatdutch when(if) you paste that link in your browser, remove any spaces (i had one in the word element for some reason) or just google 'natural elements in the human body' and click the second link. this is all beside the point though, the point is you can believe that god created the universe, but try to refrain from thinking he made you better than gay people, or gay people are abominations and you are not. if you have ever thought about anal sex with a girl, you're just as bad.
@afatdutch - think outside the box for once in your life, for every element there is only one factor, atoms - there are 92 possible combination of the atomic structure and hence 92 natural elements every combination of atoms exist in the human body this includes uranium and mercury - the earth is alive and may be considered a lower god because it still exist in a spectrum of rules- to me an almighty god exists as the rules, you complicate things imagining god to be an alien.
@afatdutch - I have a glass pot of coffee filled half way, I swing it and throw it at the wall, it shatters and coffee goes every where I did not cause the shatter or the spill I simply know the rules, that controlled chaos is god! many story's of the bible are parables explaining deeper concepts, but if your closed off you will lose sight of this. If you can picture an infinite space where time is one and you can ignore the rules you will still see evidence of them. words are holding you up!
@killacounty let me ask you, if you did not break that coffee pot, who did? you say god, right? so if adam picked the forbidden fruit, he didn't do it? god did? and if i go rape someone tonight, god did it? at what point do i become responsible?
@afatdutch - I think the point you need to understand is that a person who considers them selves atheist is considering that off of what they do not believe in versus a christian labels themselves that because of their beliefs you label your self on what you don't believe, making your label a hallow piece of shit - if that's what you want I get it. who does that they enter a room and announce all the things they doubt as a personification. a mask of only doubt never hope.
@killacounty Ok. because i dont believe in jesus christ, you think im a hollow piece of shit? I told you, go ahead and believe in god, but dont go around calling homosexuals and atheists amoral. because having religious beliefs doesn't make you a better person. believing in heaven and hell doesnt mean you wont lie, cheat, or commit crimes, there are plenty of christians in prison. everyone thinks they have the best religion, or they would change it. believe what you want. keep it to yourself.
@afatdutch by the way, i dont identify my self as a non believer in god, just like i dont identify myself as a non believer in santa. it just is what it is. but if people went around talking about how people who dont believe in santa are sinners and bad people, i would start being vocal about my anti-santa beliefs. believe in santa if you want, but dont tell me or anyone else that we are the root of problems in the world cuz we dont have santa in our lives, life is more complicated than that.
@afatdutch alchemy is a metaphor, for taking all the bullshit in your life, and turning it into fuel for becoming a more caring and selfless human being. However, both alchemy and levitation are possible, all that is required is that one accept the attitude of an acausal particle (electron) and one will start to behave like one. Being acausal means doing good without taking any pride, because you feel it needs to be done, whether thats giving to the poor or loving someone the same gender.
@jackrowet1234 what the fuck dude, why are you bringing up my entire conversation with someone else and lumping it together into your own distorted arguments? alchemy is not a metaphor, unless you choose to make it one. religion was not the original science, religion just applied myth to explain things away until science came along to give a real reason. everything else you said I am purposely not addressing because It is your opinion and as long as your not talking hate I dont care.
@afatdutch look, trying to find the answers to the biggest questions requires that the experimenter makes himself part of the experiment. Doing this means practicing how to function in the world. It is the difference between knowlege and wisdom. Knowledge is objective, it can be spoken, written ect. Wisdom is subjective; a way of interacting with the universe. All religious methods, minus dogma, are instruction on how to be acausal. Practice doing good without a reason, grease the wheels and see
@afatdutch Try some alchemy. Next time you're pissed off, sit down, and become as pissed off as possible. In my experience, I have learned to turn that into laughter, love, horniness, energy for running/studying .whatever. It is taking control of your nervous system, so that there is less "feedback"
Science doesn't explain why thing happen, it explains HOW thing interact in a material sense. "Why" and "how" and too easily interchanged.
@afatdutch "science" explains everything from the Big Bang miracle, and all movement started from that initial act. Evolutionary theory believes that nature is at war with itself, and that is what drives evolution. I.e wind vs. plant= short plant. It ignors the creative solution to the problem. If nature were purely cause and effect, it would self destruct. Creativity=consciousness
Acausal mathematics are mathematic equations that with the same input, will give a different answer every time.
@jackrowet1234 What exactly is your point here? i already told you, you can believe what you want as long as you dont use those beliefs to hate other people. If you want to believe that levitation is possible, vampires exist, and that evolution just means wind vs. plant, instead of evolution meaning whichever plant is most adapted to windy conditions will thrive in wind, and get better at it as time goes on, go ahead. whatever.
@afatdutch Hahah, yea, but no, david blain does not act acausaly, as he intends to do the miracle. If youve every witnessed a miracle, you understand that it happens without anyone trying, and that it is perfectly tailored to the situation. I.e they HAPPEN, much like how an electron takes the path of least resistance, and "fills in" the universe where its needed, and has no real intention on creating "matter"
@afatdutch - you hate a concept of god because people use god to hate? looks to me like you are using god to hate also just the other end - you are now a pawn of hate in the same game as the ones you hate!
@killacounty I never said i hate god, why would i hate something that doesnt exist? i said..."I am an atheist, and it is dumbasses like YOU (not god) that make me a vocal atheist." I do not hate god or the concept of god, (although i dont agree with it!) what i hate is when people use god to hate other people (as ive said before). other people should not have to be punished for being who they are, unless it is hurting other people. someone being gay doesnt hurt anyone so why do you hate them?
@afatdutch 1. Elements (in the common sense, not the "true" sense) are irrelevant. 2. theoretically, it is possible, we just have no means. 3. Everything is god, you included. By truly realizing this you realize that your "body" is an arbitrary boundary. If you had true control of your body, you could walk thru walls/shoot lightnin out your fingertips.4. Homosexuality is how god loves self when there is too much of one gender(prison) or objectification and alienation of the opposite sex.
@afatdutch - Our bodies contain every element, and we live as microscopic organisms on a living celestial body. You are simply narrow minded believing a concept of god must mean a creature in the clouds granting wishes to followers when in reality a concept of god can exist as nature - If I was the beginning and the end simultaneously and I had knowledge of everything I would never have to consider anything and would exist as nature. you are hung up on a simple concept when denial is ignorance.
@killacounty pedophilia is not consensual, homosexuality is. And if you want to call homosexuality despicable, does that mean you would disown your child if they were gay? is that what god would want?The issue I see with you defending the catholic church condoning pedophilia is that you earlier made the argument that lack of god in one's life leads to horrible crime, and that is obviously not true. your right, most christians are good, but thats because it is people that are good, not religion.
@afatdutch - what does it mean when you encourage your child to be homosexual by allowing him to believe that it is an option - what if your kid was a pedophile , do you disown him? the answer is yes. if I had a child that wanted to live an open gay or beastiality lifestyle then I would leave him to his perversions but if I had a child struggling with thoughts and not living out the filth then I would help that child to understand -
@killacounty what does it mean when you encourage your child to be homosexual by allowing him to believe that it is an option - it is not an option, you can hide your child away from homosexuality, but if he is gay, he will always be more attracted to men. it is not an option. if you were raised in a home where you were unaware of what you were supposed to be attracted to, would you ever choose a man? most likely, no. because it is not an option, it is a truth in your heart, soul, and mind.
@afatdutch if 'you' were raised in a home where 'you' were unaware of what you were supposed to be attracted to, would you ever choose a man? most likely, no. because it is not an option, it is a truth in your heart, soul, and mind. --what i mean by this is 'you' personally, since i assume you are heterosexual based on your discriminatory marks towards gay people. a gay man of course would naturally choose a man over a woman, because that is what is in his heart, soul, and mind.
@afatdutch I agree with you - having a certain affinity may not be an option at times, BUT... living a homosexual lifestyle can be avoided and should be as much as any other perversion that in the same way not be an option - for example what if a person who is attracted to animals felt that they were born to think this way - they might be right, but that doesn't mean that conceptual sex with that animal is right and it crosses the line between mentality and action.
@killacounty stop comparing beastiality and homosexuality, it just shows how ignorant you are. having sex with a dog is not wrong because you can't make babies with them, it is wrong because they can't communicate what they want, and overwhelmingly they do not want to have sex with you, neither do children. two grown women or men deciding to have sex with each other is not any more perverse than straight people having sex just for fun.
@afatdutch - does it show my ignorance or are you proving how closed minded you are - when a dog humps your leg or a woman who will accept it is that of - what about dolphins which often engage in sexual activity with humans - bestiality can be just as consensual as homosexuality and so can pedophilia, there is truly little difference!
@killacounty living a homosexual lifestyle can be avoided and should be - why? because you say so? because that is what you have been told? when has someone else being gay effected your life at all? why is it your business? is there a victim you are protecting? or are you just protecting yourself from feeling awkward?
@afatdutch It is proven that people who live a gay lifestyle have a malformed and shriveled hypothalamus, Leonardo De vinci believed that the hypothalamus was where the soul was located, Leonardo Da Vinci was homosexual and still believed in a concept of the soul. ALL COMMUNISTS ARE ATHEIST!! atheism is a concept where a person pretends to know absolutely something that is imposable to know. It is an attack on people with faith in a concept - you are offended by God - the idea stings you!
@killacounty denying god is making an assertion that there is no god-- no shit sherlock!! denying buddha is making the assertion that there is no buddha, denying fairies is making the assertion that there is no fairies, denying Thor is making the assertion that there is no Thor. I am making the assertion that there is no god. god is a concept you can never prove, and you have never been presented adequate proof he exists over any other god, so why believe it? because the people around you lied.
@afatdutch - the fact is that that assertion can not be made because there is always a viable concept of god - our planet is a god compared to us and so is our solar system but beyond that the real god is over the entirety an infinite universe with rules and guideline that appear to be draft-able, science does not disprove god - if you pay close attention it brings out a concept of god. being gay is as gross and wrong as having sex with animals (also found in nature) but not right.
@killacounty Leonardo Da Vinci was homosexual and still believed in a concept of the soul - what is your point? our planet is a god compared to us - uh, no. but if you say so i guess it must be true. the ocean is bigger and more powerful than humans, is the ocean a god? is every star in the universe a god? in your mind, is the universe made up of gods, ruled by gods? are we gods compared to ants? what exactly defines a god to you? you know, christianity says there is only one god, God.
@killacounty The issue I see with your reasoning is that the catholic church does not represent every one who believes in a god - and athiests are not the only homosexuals, in fact there is no correlation at all between faith and being gay. plenty of homosexuals have been shunned by the church because of being gay, yet they still believe in god. you christians turn your back on fellow human beings because they choose a peaceful lifestyle you dont happen to agree with.
@afatdutch You are God... honestly, you've known this all along, I mean, who did you think you are? Your identity grew over years, and you saw it all happen, so who does that make you? Nothing wrong with gay people either, id rather people be loving and fucking each other than killing each other.
@afatdutch - if you want to use common in anture as an excuse for a despicable way of living then you can explain away priest molestation as a common act in nature also, because it is common. The issue I see with your reasoning is that the catholic church does not represent every one who believes in a god - Jesus doesn't even have to tie in, the fact is that the words mess with you, you have negative references in your mind to a these concepts. communists are atheist hmmmmmm.
@killacounty I apparently am not done yet... 70% of the the U.S. are christian. 80% of India is hindu. 90% of ancient Greece believed in Zeus. what does that tell you? do you realize that most people just believe what they are born into and have been told their whole life? I am an atheist, and it is dumbasses like you that make me a vocal atheist. I am not lazy, gay, without morals, or without desire to explain the universe and why we are here. In fact, i know more about your god than you do.
The only distinction between belief in god and atheism is that if you believe in god, you get hair, if you don't believe in god, you don't get hair. That's all it comes down to, nothing else, for what it's worth. Just saying that you believe in god won't cure baldness either, if you don't mean it. God knows the truth.
@demongithara I agree! And definitely, I think more atheists should read Alan Watts as MetaBob suggested. Have you ever noticed that when you look at a self-proclaimed YouTube atheist's channel, they're always subscribed to Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, and Matt Dillahunty. Never are they subscribe to people who host Alan Watts, Terence McKenna, Graham Hancock, or Dr. Rick Strassman. Coincidence? I don't know. Maybe that sort of ignorance is a precondition for being an atheist or something.
@demongithara There are no problems outside of your own confusion. Stop lying that everything is okay and that you are fine. Wake up to your self delusions and egocentric outlook
but existence does go on and on and on and on! We are part of everything that was created in the big bang, and when we are finished we will become something else. In the same way the water we drink today was here three thousand years ago. It is a closed system we live in there is no more or less water in the world now than then.
In such a closed environment what makes one think that thoughts and emotions exist out of this environment.
@TDP788 Why think of the mystical experience as an encounter with the Gaian consciousness rather than a cosmic consciousness? What's the difference? Gaian consciousness vs. Cosmic consciousness. I always thought of Gaian as finite since it's of the earth, and the earth is finite, but I'd agree that there is a maternal/agapé aspect to the mystical experience as this is a quality of Gaia. However, I've always felt it was more universal and eternal, and implied a comsic consciousness.
@Hanahleia i agree with you...but i think it comes in levels..the first being gain and then awareness increases to become universal/ eternal or what have you. just my opinion. interesting...
I think part of the problem of understanding, is bias...and there is a fear of being converted/going insane/turning into a hippy. I think its funny how you say " don't worry, you'll still be an atheist." I think its important to stop "playing the atheist" (even using the word)...if you have to call yourself something, howabout a "scientist" in the truest sense of the word...someone looking for truth, any truth...
The idea that consciousness arises out of the mind can be disproven in a multitude of fashions. Plants obviously share this consciousness. Animals, too. Even the celestial bodies exhibit conscious behavior. Consciousness, that is, exhibiting behavior that interacts and interdependent upon outer stimuli, circumstances and time frames. The belief that matter is all there is in this Universe is patently absurd, to me.
@threechamberedpeanut I never said anything about awareness. I said celestial objects exhibit conscious behavior. Notice, I did not say they were conscious or aware.
@threechamberedpeanut YOU would say that. Not many others who have studied it will say that. I never said they think. They definitely do feel. They know when they're being touched. I would suggest looking at some publications online that are leading the field of plant consciousness. A perfect example of consciousness residing outside of the human brain.
So I thought we might be arguing about semantics and I looked up some definitions of consciousness, finding that it REQUIRES cognition, excluding plants. Most arguments for plant consciousness anthropomorphize things like plant movement, or communication between plant cells.
Nervous systems have been pretty much conclusively shown to produce thoughts, feelings, memories, everything that we call consciousness. There's still some unknown details, but that's pretty much it.
It makes practical sense for us animals to group all the things we can control with our mind under the name self. And all the things our mind depends on for survival as objects outside of our selves. We learn to make the distinction of self and objects as a babies and maybe we have to relearn it when on mushrooms. In that sense we see our hands and our eyes as as part of our self. But our liver is an object that is not me. In this sense, the pen, or the computer can become part of our selves...
I personally think all religions are trying to describe the same thing, in different and very fucked up and wrong ways... That feeling and knowing that were all just the same, be it the sun, the plants, just everything, we know of and dont. How can we differenent when were so interconnected on SO SO SO many levels.
Isn't atheism really just people fed up with self-righteous religious people (redundant term I know). I mean it doesn't really even qualify as a philosophy - its just the rejection of religion. I think its up to individual people who reject religion to decide upon their own philosophical pursuits. I don't think Watts is a requirement for atheists.
@bitswapper atheism is just a lack of belief in a "god". However, it's taken a cult like following on, now. They use science and technology as their basis for life and also have humanist qualities and that is where they get their "morality" and "ethics" from. However, consciousness has guided those "humanist" qualities and consciousness includes all religions and spiritual endeavors. So they're attempting to seperate themselves from that, but, they are inherently intertwined and inseperable.
I have been reading Alan Watts and found this video. I’m not an Atheist nor an Agnostic, I’m a non-atheist. I found MetaBob’s video entertaining and enlightening. It’s a bit presumptuous of me, but I would say that I have found Alan Watts to be a bit of a closet atheist. He was a philosopher and found comfort in many religious beliefs. I sense he was somewhat of an evangelist to the mooing herd of mainstream western religious orthodoxy, trying to give them what he had found in what he had lost.
The steak i ate on friday nights is now well digested. All the matter contained within it, its proteins, sugars, and fibre now long since digested and integrated into my body. Through me, that cow is alive, though what i would refer to as "the cow" is dead. Is it just me, or is that poetically beautiful? :)
God is real. I am God. God wrote this. I am you. You are God. You wrote this. It is forever being written and read right NOW. The words are eternal and not subject to entropy. I use the Word of God (which is the word of Me/You) to express infinity through a finite vessel (which is my physical body). Your interpretation of these words eternal may infinitely vary, but the meaning is never truer than right NOW. "I am HERE and you are THERE", who else but you (God) could right that? Awaken.
I read Alan Watts about 40 years ago. About five years ago, of a sudden, I became aware of who i am, in an instant. Did that revelation come from Watts? Not likely. But ... There is a path. The beauty of which is that it is infinitely simple. It teases us, it confounds us the more we mess with it, but we know it all along. we just don't know that we know it. And then we do. Whether theist or atheist, it does not matter. We are all the same. But one gets it or one doesn't.
i cant stand alan watts... I saw his music and life little tidbit and it was the most pretentious piece of garbage I've ever encountered. It seemed like the kind of crap some wishy washy dimwit would see as "deep" and "inspiring".
Does anyone see a way to combine atheism and theism? Buddhism presents a balanced system of karma and rebirth. So basically you live eternally in positions based off your actions. Your heaven or hell is created off what you chose. It is both mercifal and just. This system promotes teaching and wisdom as well as compassion and love.....God worshippers like to invision God as a being but they admit they don't truly know how he exists. Can't we view God and this system as one in the same?
Buddhism fits every religeon once you let go of the specific names of your God. Rather than let go of your faith can't we just open up our idea of what the term God is? The meaning and lessons behind every religeon reveals the same teaching. God is the way, not the rocks on the road, but the way. Dharma dharma dharma.
thing bout atheist reaction to god /bible god, is that it has been a source of cruelty and ignorance to this day. the pope denouncing condom use in africa, creationism... theres really no qualm if someone believes wat they believe happily and lets others alone.
I will say one more thing, Jesus and Krishna both spoke of the nature of that "state." The state of nothingness which is ultimately fullness. That is the perspective that they are speaking from in the story, whether or not it is literally true or a mythology makes no difference. It points to the highest truth of human awareness and experience which can only be "experienced." How can you "label" something beyond "words/thought?" You are going into an "illusion" to explain something greater.
That is the purpose of serving Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, etc... It wouldn't matter if you served "the flying spaghetti monster(as those who label themselves Atheists do.)" You would still get the same results. But "Faith/belief" is what keeps the person with the attitude of "serving others" and that is what keeps them from adding onto the "self(which would ultimately be an illusion.)" That is why every spiritual teaching including "buddhist" teachings speak of Non-Attachment.
So reality is _________ . That is what we are. So you can see the "Atheist" and the guy who goes around saying he is a "Believer" are both living in an illusion that their minds have created. And then they battle each other out(which shouldn't happen because the believer should turn the other cheek and become the bigger man.) But serving something "other" than "self" helps dissolve the mind created self over time and one day the person "awakens." Or as the Buddhists call it a "Satori."
So eventually the individual realizes that "I am God." There was "nothing but God." But in this "realization" there is the "experience" which brought the realization. An "Awakening." An awakening from the illusion of the false sense of self which I have given examples of from my comments below. And the "illusion" can go very deep. And it is what causes all suffering. Identifying with an illusion. But when you know God(reality) and "live in it" you are free.
I will explain further. Saying "I don't BELIEVE in God" is meaningless. It is just a "thoughtform" in the head. Nothing more, nothing less. But if you continuely "think" this thought and latch onto it, you will get a sense of "me." of "I am an Atheist." But in "REALITY(or God)" you are not "an atheist." That is just a "thought" in your head. You just "are." And that goes the same way with a "believer." Except a "believer" is on a "path" to this great truth/realization/experience.
You see people, you can not "label" yourself an "ATHEIST" or a "BELIEVER" unless you first ask the question, "does God exist?" in the first place. What happens if you never asked the question? No, you would not even label yourself an "ATHEIST" and get a "false sense of self" out of it. You would just "be." And that goes for all concepts that the "mind" makes up and attaches too and makes a sense of self which is ultimately an illusion out of.
God is the highest state of human awareness and experience, it is "oneness." It is "everything." But since it is everything it is also "nothing." Hence you could say "God exists or God doesn't exist" and you would be correct either way. It is like saying "is the glass half empty or half full," it is both. But "talking" about it means nothing, "experiencing it" means everything. And that concept of "God" is what all major spiritual texts including "JESUS's teachings" point too. OUCH.
at 9:02 no Gestalt is not a forgotten word, in Remote Viewing we use it all the time. Probably not with the same sense that you use it with, still it's an active part of our vocabulary :)
Alan Watts is awesome. I am not an atheist, and I am not a believer either. In mainstream religion that is. Whatever Alan is or stands for, I for one find it very uplifting and refreshing.
As for your vid being a bit unstructured, I found that writing on a small paper the main points you want to touch in a video (in order) helps a lot. Nothing detailed, just 4-5 main points and take it from there, to keep things on topic.
I'm off to watch some of your other videos, see if I should sub :)
Watts does seem to blend the 2, which makes him well worth reading, but many scientists (and atheists) tend to confuse these two impulses and think that science and religion come from the same impulse (as this dude says from 03:18). They don't. Think through 03:18-03:58 again.
Science comes out of curiosity - wanting to know. Religion comes from a very different place - not wanting to die, not wanting to suffer, not wanting your bad deeds to be punished, not wanting your crops/tribe/family to fail etc.
@glaubs65 Not at all. Religion came from curiosity 'specifically'. The bible. Genesis. Tries to 'explain', the origins of the Universe.
Stop thinking of religion in the modern sense. Religion, eventually, sheltered the fear of 'not knowing'.
I'm sure, 1000's of years ago, spiritual philosophers theorizing the content, currently found in religious text, were just as credible, as Alan Watts, appear to be today.
@RustyRedReaper I'm not sure I agree. It's very difficult to know what the origins of religion were. It's probably a blend of 'fear protection' and curiosity, but with 'fear protection' being more fundamental. Freud posits that early ritual developed from a primal tribal guilt, after the murder of a primal tribal leader by the tribe (Totem and Taboo). I still think 'fear protection' is and was the main driving force behind religion.
@glaubs65 First of all, I hate the 500 character limit, because I didn't get to explain my premise and conclusion very well.
Second, if Freud's claims are true, then he is suggesting that tribal, societal structure, was the initial societal complex created by man... but, we know this is not true.
People were first nomads, just as travel when the seasons change. Just as buffalo, when resources are depleted, or predators overwhelming.
'Travelling', garners experience, then pondering --> change.
@glaubs65 To say the tribe, came before the nomad, is wrong. Before 'tribal' thinking, there must have been a further primitive intellect of society.
The progression from that society, to tribal society, there must have been 'thought'. People aren't going to trust just a religion. All those who followed the first emerging cults, must also have been 'thinking' in the same way. A very crude philosophy.
To accept religion, curiosity must have been satisfied, before the idea of fear is sheltered.
You're using atheist where "skeptic" would be a better term. Atheism doesn't mean lack if belief on the supernatural, or even in religion. And, I think most skeptics are fine with spirituality as long as it doesn't actually refer to the supernatural. I, for one, am firmly in support of it. Spirituality as a philosophy, a way of thinking about the universe in a more accurate way, is good, and I would even say necessary.
Alan Watts is not an atheist, a theist, a Buddhist, a Taoist, a Hindu. or a Christian. He has Alan Watts!
Tengent 3 weeks ago
@MetaBob Alan Watts was NOT an Atheist. In fact he mentioned Atheist in one of his lectures as people missing the point entirely. If you BELIEVE that there is NO GOD, this means that you acknowledged God as not existing. This is like saying, I do not believe there is a glass of milk in the next room, when others say there is. You can either KNOW or NOT KNOW. You can not have it both ways. Atheists logic is not rationale. In programming terms we call this divide by ZERO error.
freeadplanet 1 month ago
@freeadplanet Atheism and Theism go to belief, not knowledge. Agnosticism and Gnosticism go to knowledge. I can't force myself to believe, I just don't see any evidence, but on the same hand I don't know for sure that there isn't and I maintain an open mind. Since I don't believe and I don't know, I am an Agnostic Atheist. Atheism isn't a position on its own, but a response to the positions of others. As an intellectually honest person all I can say is "I don't know"
MortimerKahn 1 month ago
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Everything truly has no name. The rocks, the trees, the grass, The stars in the sky. They are all truly nameless at their source. We gave it all names and meaning with the gift of consciousness. Everything in the universe has this same consciousness, just at different complexity's. The planets deal in action/reaction. We deal in it with our emotions and the choices we make but it is still all coming from pure potential consciousness of "nothing". This is what Allan Watts was about.
LightLeo111 1 month ago
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LightLeo111 1 month ago
Alan watts was in no was a atheist.
topbluffa1 4 months ago
I wished you'd gotten to the point straight away instead of waffling till 2.40
nags2bitches 4 months ago
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adimocian 5 months ago
Alan Watts is not atheist
JANXDPDX 5 months ago
Your regurgitation of experience, genes, and instinct in any given situation as a reaction to what your sensory organs relay to the mind is deemed personality. How "I" react. What that random array of particles and perceivable cosmic energy, as it harmoniously vibrated across my vision, meant to "me". We all perceive from the same objective source, things are how they are, and you're always wrong. Realize this, knowledge is knowing nothing.
iheartcrystalmeth69 5 months ago
Think. The water would leak through, any belief system or declaration on the universe has holes. Emotions are evolutionary, we are hairless apes that think. Free your body from your ego. As all of you comes from nature, you're ego as well, has purpose, not meaning. As an atheist, agree all things are meaningless energy, and your location in the universe and your sense's sensitivity to the location, and the act of observing create the universe around you.
iheartcrystalmeth69 5 months ago
The only thing you know is that you know nothing. Atheism is not faith, it's a belief system. Not really a religion as it means to Americans, or the rest of the world as it may subjectively mean to each person occupying that country. Atheism, as all religions, selects a number and says "I believe in that many Gods." Philosophy terms this philosophical suicide. Allan Watts compares attempting to label, or create any maxim, to sending a package of water to a friend in a paper wrap.
iheartcrystalmeth69 5 months ago
Thank God (lol) I'm not the only one who is pointing out that a primal creator isn't fundamentally linked to Spiritual understandings. Very well laid out.
LordShivasServant 6 months ago
lol @ 1:54 The Knowing Laugh :P
LordShivasServant 6 months ago
honestly man, i needed this video. thank you so f-ing much
cfall234 6 months ago
Try to write what you want to say in a script. This will keep you on track
forrester321 6 months ago
wishy washy dude. Atheism = unawareness. I "was" completely an atheist, 100%, for 35 years because nothing in the form of direct "personal" experience offered any proof that I could see was valid in any way. Salvia Divinorum changed all that, eventually, through effort and perseverance.
kaiagavin 7 months ago
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What? "Atheism = unawareness"? "Salvia Divinorum changed all that"?
So what you are saying is that you don't get atheism?
MeltUp3 6 months ago
@MeltUp3 no no, thats not what said at all, do i need to repeat what is written above? Atheism is all i got for 35 years and then i got something else, something that was able to prove its validity and power(s) "in a loving way" and love is something i didn't "believe in" either while being an atheist. and love is the power, the force that mostly goes unseen, yet never the less is as real as gravity and doesn't require anyones belief in it to be something that effects everyone and everything.
kaiagavin 6 months ago
@kaiagavin I think that the Salvia has done it's thing on you... Love is a combinations of feelings and, if you ask me, mostly based on the emotion "greed". But that's just me.
Perhaps I'm slow but I don't get what you're talking about.
"Atheism is all i got for 35 years and then i got something else [sic!]" implies that you're no longer an atheist. Or is it that you think you were wrong about the way you looked at atheism and the found a different, and more correct, way of looking at it?
MeltUp3 6 months ago
@MeltUp3 its no suprise that love is just as misunderstood as the spiritual dimension that eludes both atheist and religious "believers" and yes, I can no longer claim to be a atheist, and its not because i was a "non-believer" and now i am, again beliefs are not required or relevant. i don't believe in gravity, i know it exists and has a purpose, just like inertia, your resistance to change is only natural. i understand you.
kaiagavin 6 months ago
@MeltUp3 you are wrong about what "love is" but that's just part of the lameness you speak of. keep open.
kaiagavin 6 months ago
@kaiagavin I love this types of responses! If I don't believe that love is some kind of magic then I'm closed-minded.
MeltUp3 6 months ago
@MeltUp3 again with the "beliefs". NO, please don't get stuck on what you believe at this time, a mind is closed when it does not allow any new information in. I know this is challenging your crystalized ideas, and please do not take this personally,i am not attacking you, and you'll miss the point. Resistance is only overcome when you are ready to let go. And letting go is never easy. And YES, love is some kind of magic, believe it or not.
kaiagavin 6 months ago
@kaiagavin
Excuse me but wth are you talking about? All I said was that love is a mixture of different feelings and you said that I was wrong and now you've gone completely off topic.
How is love magic? How is it not firing of electrical signals through our neurons?
MeltUp3 6 months ago
@MeltUp3 talking about love and sticking to the point, its so much more than just " feelings", it is magickal because its the power and force that makes the seemingly impossible, quite possible. A christian would say, "its a miracle" but I prefer to think of it as divine intervention, or if you wish, the source of the electrical signals that are firing through our neurons AND everything else that vibrates with energy, all matter, of which we are part. God is love and nothing else.
kaiagavin 6 months ago
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I share your views and Alan Watts views: his philosophy / psychotherapy is profound in it's fundamental truths. When he says we are all God, he means we and the universe are one and the same. We are the conscious universe.
coffunism 7 months ago
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coffunism 7 months ago
Truth is pretty simple, but complex in that it can be experienced many different ways. I didn't like the fact that you called, you're attempts to paraphrase Watts cute, when in fact all the works I've encountered from Watts are very simple, easily understood, so simple it's hard to dispute. That's the main problem when people are trying to prove their points to others, they're too complicated and too focused on proving someone else wrong than just making a simplistic truthful statement.
BLTsquad 7 months ago
you are very spiritual....and that is awesome....I would consider myself a very spiritual atheist as well and it is nice to see that there are other people out there that don't think so black and white...thanks.
reefgurl90 8 months ago
I found a misconception in this video. Zen is helping me a lot with cleaning up my room. ahahahaha Nice video keep on doing.
jomushin7 8 months ago
You are awesome. As an atheist I was naturally skeptical of Alan Watts at first but that didn't last long, because he never (to my knowledge) said anything that I would consider "anti-reality". He certainly adds a lot of depth to the atheist's view. Subscribed.
NorseRonin 8 months ago 2
Alan Watts is Raw Material, there is no atheism, there is no religion.
Lordchaos991 9 months ago 2
Thanks for alan watts videos. Im really poor. I know that alan represents a charm of knowledgable expression and the collective benifits from it as the old will find obsoletion. Id be your maid if i can read your books.
sweeterthanyoohoo 9 months ago
Great video. Watts was one of a kind!
Jayoung1000 9 months ago
You nailed it.
TaterGumfries 9 months ago
in one word: meditate.
danmang 9 months ago
there is no such thing as an atheist. people can pretend but that is all - they allow themselves to be lazy and lose a desire to explain life. then they influence the most awful and despicable acts because if god doesn't exists then "sin " doesn't exist - so they murder babies and have homosexual relationships and they die - praying to the god they have never accepted.
killacounty 10 months ago
@killacounty really, no one has responded to this yet? Catholic Priests rape little boys all the time, and the pope and the vatican cover it up because it brings embarrassment to the church. Instead of protecting innocent people, they protect themselves. I would rather be aborted by an atheist than raped by a believer of god and told to keep quiet about it. Homosexuality is a way of being, just like heterosexuality. It is common in nature, not an abomination, fuck your god, I pray you STFU&DIE.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch your a horrible person and probly are ugly and have no life get off utube fag!
kingkersis1 9 months ago
@kingkersis1 haha you cant even spell youtube. If you wanna address something i said specifically go ahead, i just fight fire with fire.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@kingkersis1 By the way, using 'fag' as an insult is just as horrible as anything i said about that bullshit jack-off in the sky you like to call god. god is too busy banging virgins to care about you. I took the time to read your past comments, and based on the fact that you like to call people ugly, i conclude you are a hideous fucktard that likes to talk to god because no one else can stand to listen to you.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch - you simply have a problem with language, you cant handle words - you are incapable of linking positive notations to concepts - denying god is making an assertion that there is no god - but the only thing we know is that we know nothing so such an assertion is a step toward the ego, the apple assuming it has knowledge of the tree or of the world. the fact is that our existence has rules, some of these rules work like magic, all we know is that they work never why.
killacounty 9 months ago
@killacounty No, none of the rules in the world work like magic. Humans only assume its magic until science finds the answer. In greece, lightening was magic, so god did it. Now, the origin of life is magic, so god did it. assuming god created the entire universe for human beings is more egotistical than assuming everything just is, because it is. as you said, we know nothing, so why assume all this heaven and hell and angels and demons crap. I deny God as much as I deny Santa.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch - none of the rules work like magic are you kidding me? you really believe that science justifies itself, all science is is a drafting of rules that already exist and many of those rules we can not understand why just how - for example every atomic structure has the ability to fission into another atomic structure meaning that we can turn gold into silver and water into wine, beyond that quantum physics has determined the existence of quarks which can not be explained.
killacounty 9 months ago
@killacounty 1. our bodies do not contain every element, that is false. 2. you cannot turn gold into silver, that is alchemy(magic) and is not real 3. if you define the planet earth as your god, than you just define anything greater than you a god, that is ridiculous 4. the hypothalamus is not shrunken in homosexuals, it is just structured differently, proof that being gay is not a choice to sin against god 5. I am not offended by god, im offended by people using god to hate others
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch - you are truly exposing you limited knowledge here - 1 the human body contains the building blocks for every eliment and is able to transform elements on an atomic level! 2- the process of fission is the process of adapting atoms - all metallic elements are pure energy and the atomic structures can be adapted through fission to manipulate the element into any other metal. alchemy is for al-chemists do you understand that means chemistry? is chemistry not real just like god?
killacounty 9 months ago
@killacounty atoms are the building blocks for all elements, and are indeed in every human, rock and tree. but you didnt say atoms, you said the human body contains every element (gold, boron, plutonium) which it doesnt. alchemy is not real, its just not, you cannot take one metal and turn it into gold, and that is the definition of alchemy. alchemy is to chemistry as levitation is to jumping. one is impossible, one is not.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch - you are honestly off base - al-chemists discovered many of the elements such as potassium and mercury, look up how fission. I cant believe you don't believe in god and have no clue of science, one would think you know something - gold can absolutely be transformed into any metal much as the element you mention (plutonium or radium) is a man made element by transforming uranium by injecting extra neutrons into the atoms and making it heavier, so ya, no man made elements in the body.
killacounty 9 months ago
@killacounty DUDE!!! go to google, look up ALCHEMY, in fact, type in 'alchemy definition' and see what comes up. many great scientists were also alchemists, because they believed you could turn lead or iron into gold, that doesnt make it true, no matter what else they did with their life. do you really think we can turn metal into gold? really? comeon, really?????
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch btw, plutonium is found naturally in the planet at very small quantities, we just make it because it is easier and safer than going out and collecting it.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch --DUDE do I really have to do your research for you look up synthesis of precious metals dumb ass!, the word alchemist has the word chemist in it and is in fact the tittle for the first chemists why would I have to look that up a child has the for sight to see this word! thats your fucking problem you have no knowledge of terminology and have defined all the words you use yourself - LOOK outside yourself!
killacounty 9 months ago
@killacounty I dont really care about alchemy to be honest, thats not why i am talking to you right now, this is why i started talking to you: about atheists you said "they allow themselves to be lazy and lose a desire to explain life. then they influence the most awful and despicable acts because if god doesn't exists then "sin " doesn't exist - so they murder babies and have homosexual relationships and they die" the conversation had its evolution, and has veered off course.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch if you want to keep defending your position that the small percentage of atheists in the world are the ones causing the problems and are despicable people with their gayness and abortion loving ways, and that christians dont commit horrible 'sins' because they have a fear of perdition, and are therefore better people, go ahead. but you seem to like jumping around (elements in the body, alchemy coffee pots?), instead of holding your ground, and im getting tired of chasing you. GL to U.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch everyone has fear, only dumb bitches are afraid to admit it.
killacounty 9 months ago
@killacounty wow, you have officially given up. i never said i dont have fear, everyone does. what does fear have to do with anything i just said? just dont discriminate based on your faith. its real easy.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@killacounty what exactly are you afraid of that makes you believe in god? death? having to live without having an omnipotent being watching your back, guiding you? just curious, your comment about fear really has me perplexed, since I made no mention of not being afraid. I dont discard the concept of god because i have no fear, its just that there is no reason to believe in one religion over the other, or one god over another. there is no proof for any of it.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch I think alot of "atheists" are terrified, so they take on this materialist "tough guy" attitude, i.e "I dont need god cause Im not scared" "When you're dead, you're dead"(however a true materialist will tell you there is no death) There is also comfort taken in "science" and mathematics, as a form of divination. Animals are sacrificed for experiments.
There is no proof of anything, as there is no INTELLECTUAL vantage point. There is a vantage point... but YOU'LL have to find it...
jackrowet1234 9 months ago
@jackrowet1234 There is no proof of anything - well, there is proof that mankind has always invented gods, and everyone believes all gods except their own are false. I like how you put science in quotes, like it isn't reliable. next time you fly in an airplane, just realize it is science, not faith that is making you stay in the air. What exactly are atheists like me afraid of, do you think?
afatdutch 9 months ago
@jackrowet1234 one more note, religion was the original sacrificer of animals, and even jesus christ was sacrificed as 'the lamb of god'. sooo, it is funny that you are so against sacrifice for the greater good.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch Religion was the original science, and by the way, I mean "science" as in real science, not one hijacked by the logical/positivis/materialist, the way the church hijacked christianity...funny how things get switched around like that...
jackrowet1234 9 months ago
Respond to this video... lenntech.com/periodic-chart-elements/human-body.htm here ya go, take a look at exactly how many natural elements are in the human body. not that this has anything to do with god, but it is one more area where you are wrong.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch when(if) you paste that link in your browser, remove any spaces (i had one in the word element for some reason) or just google 'natural elements in the human body' and click the second link. this is all beside the point though, the point is you can believe that god created the universe, but try to refrain from thinking he made you better than gay people, or gay people are abominations and you are not. if you have ever thought about anal sex with a girl, you're just as bad.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch - think outside the box for once in your life, for every element there is only one factor, atoms - there are 92 possible combination of the atomic structure and hence 92 natural elements every combination of atoms exist in the human body this includes uranium and mercury - the earth is alive and may be considered a lower god because it still exist in a spectrum of rules- to me an almighty god exists as the rules, you complicate things imagining god to be an alien.
killacounty 9 months ago
@afatdutch - I have a glass pot of coffee filled half way, I swing it and throw it at the wall, it shatters and coffee goes every where I did not cause the shatter or the spill I simply know the rules, that controlled chaos is god! many story's of the bible are parables explaining deeper concepts, but if your closed off you will lose sight of this. If you can picture an infinite space where time is one and you can ignore the rules you will still see evidence of them. words are holding you up!
killacounty 9 months ago
@killacounty let me ask you, if you did not break that coffee pot, who did? you say god, right? so if adam picked the forbidden fruit, he didn't do it? god did? and if i go rape someone tonight, god did it? at what point do i become responsible?
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch - I think the point you need to understand is that a person who considers them selves atheist is considering that off of what they do not believe in versus a christian labels themselves that because of their beliefs you label your self on what you don't believe, making your label a hallow piece of shit - if that's what you want I get it. who does that they enter a room and announce all the things they doubt as a personification. a mask of only doubt never hope.
killacounty 9 months ago
@killacounty Ok. because i dont believe in jesus christ, you think im a hollow piece of shit? I told you, go ahead and believe in god, but dont go around calling homosexuals and atheists amoral. because having religious beliefs doesn't make you a better person. believing in heaven and hell doesnt mean you wont lie, cheat, or commit crimes, there are plenty of christians in prison. everyone thinks they have the best religion, or they would change it. believe what you want. keep it to yourself.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch by the way, i dont identify my self as a non believer in god, just like i dont identify myself as a non believer in santa. it just is what it is. but if people went around talking about how people who dont believe in santa are sinners and bad people, i would start being vocal about my anti-santa beliefs. believe in santa if you want, but dont tell me or anyone else that we are the root of problems in the world cuz we dont have santa in our lives, life is more complicated than that.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch alchemy is a metaphor, for taking all the bullshit in your life, and turning it into fuel for becoming a more caring and selfless human being. However, both alchemy and levitation are possible, all that is required is that one accept the attitude of an acausal particle (electron) and one will start to behave like one. Being acausal means doing good without taking any pride, because you feel it needs to be done, whether thats giving to the poor or loving someone the same gender.
jackrowet1234 9 months ago
@jackrowet1234 what the fuck dude, why are you bringing up my entire conversation with someone else and lumping it together into your own distorted arguments? alchemy is not a metaphor, unless you choose to make it one. religion was not the original science, religion just applied myth to explain things away until science came along to give a real reason. everything else you said I am purposely not addressing because It is your opinion and as long as your not talking hate I dont care.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch look, trying to find the answers to the biggest questions requires that the experimenter makes himself part of the experiment. Doing this means practicing how to function in the world. It is the difference between knowlege and wisdom. Knowledge is objective, it can be spoken, written ect. Wisdom is subjective; a way of interacting with the universe. All religious methods, minus dogma, are instruction on how to be acausal. Practice doing good without a reason, grease the wheels and see
jackrowet1234 9 months ago
@afatdutch Try some alchemy. Next time you're pissed off, sit down, and become as pissed off as possible. In my experience, I have learned to turn that into laughter, love, horniness, energy for running/studying .whatever. It is taking control of your nervous system, so that there is less "feedback"
Science doesn't explain why thing happen, it explains HOW thing interact in a material sense. "Why" and "how" and too easily interchanged.
jackrowet1234 9 months ago
@afatdutch "science" explains everything from the Big Bang miracle, and all movement started from that initial act. Evolutionary theory believes that nature is at war with itself, and that is what drives evolution. I.e wind vs. plant= short plant. It ignors the creative solution to the problem. If nature were purely cause and effect, it would self destruct. Creativity=consciousness
Acausal mathematics are mathematic equations that with the same input, will give a different answer every time.
jackrowet1234 9 months ago
@jackrowet1234 What exactly is your point here? i already told you, you can believe what you want as long as you dont use those beliefs to hate other people. If you want to believe that levitation is possible, vampires exist, and that evolution just means wind vs. plant, instead of evolution meaning whichever plant is most adapted to windy conditions will thrive in wind, and get better at it as time goes on, go ahead. whatever.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@jackrowet1234 LOL at levitation being possible by 'accepting the attitude of an acausal particle'. That must be how david blain does it.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch Hahah, yea, but no, david blain does not act acausaly, as he intends to do the miracle. If youve every witnessed a miracle, you understand that it happens without anyone trying, and that it is perfectly tailored to the situation. I.e they HAPPEN, much like how an electron takes the path of least resistance, and "fills in" the universe where its needed, and has no real intention on creating "matter"
jackrowet1234 9 months ago
@afatdutch - you hate a concept of god because people use god to hate? looks to me like you are using god to hate also just the other end - you are now a pawn of hate in the same game as the ones you hate!
killacounty 9 months ago
@killacounty I never said i hate god, why would i hate something that doesnt exist? i said..."I am an atheist, and it is dumbasses like YOU (not god) that make me a vocal atheist." I do not hate god or the concept of god, (although i dont agree with it!) what i hate is when people use god to hate other people (as ive said before). other people should not have to be punished for being who they are, unless it is hurting other people. someone being gay doesnt hurt anyone so why do you hate them?
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch 1. Elements (in the common sense, not the "true" sense) are irrelevant. 2. theoretically, it is possible, we just have no means. 3. Everything is god, you included. By truly realizing this you realize that your "body" is an arbitrary boundary. If you had true control of your body, you could walk thru walls/shoot lightnin out your fingertips.4. Homosexuality is how god loves self when there is too much of one gender(prison) or objectification and alienation of the opposite sex.
jackrowet1234 9 months ago
@afatdutch - Our bodies contain every element, and we live as microscopic organisms on a living celestial body. You are simply narrow minded believing a concept of god must mean a creature in the clouds granting wishes to followers when in reality a concept of god can exist as nature - If I was the beginning and the end simultaneously and I had knowledge of everything I would never have to consider anything and would exist as nature. you are hung up on a simple concept when denial is ignorance.
killacounty 9 months ago
@afatdutch I suggest you read some Al Ghazali, he has a good approach on this...
jackrowet1234 9 months ago
@killacounty pedophilia is not consensual, homosexuality is. And if you want to call homosexuality despicable, does that mean you would disown your child if they were gay? is that what god would want?The issue I see with you defending the catholic church condoning pedophilia is that you earlier made the argument that lack of god in one's life leads to horrible crime, and that is obviously not true. your right, most christians are good, but thats because it is people that are good, not religion.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch - what does it mean when you encourage your child to be homosexual by allowing him to believe that it is an option - what if your kid was a pedophile , do you disown him? the answer is yes. if I had a child that wanted to live an open gay or beastiality lifestyle then I would leave him to his perversions but if I had a child struggling with thoughts and not living out the filth then I would help that child to understand -
killacounty 9 months ago
@killacounty what does it mean when you encourage your child to be homosexual by allowing him to believe that it is an option - it is not an option, you can hide your child away from homosexuality, but if he is gay, he will always be more attracted to men. it is not an option. if you were raised in a home where you were unaware of what you were supposed to be attracted to, would you ever choose a man? most likely, no. because it is not an option, it is a truth in your heart, soul, and mind.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch if 'you' were raised in a home where 'you' were unaware of what you were supposed to be attracted to, would you ever choose a man? most likely, no. because it is not an option, it is a truth in your heart, soul, and mind. --what i mean by this is 'you' personally, since i assume you are heterosexual based on your discriminatory marks towards gay people. a gay man of course would naturally choose a man over a woman, because that is what is in his heart, soul, and mind.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch I agree with you - having a certain affinity may not be an option at times, BUT... living a homosexual lifestyle can be avoided and should be as much as any other perversion that in the same way not be an option - for example what if a person who is attracted to animals felt that they were born to think this way - they might be right, but that doesn't mean that conceptual sex with that animal is right and it crosses the line between mentality and action.
killacounty 9 months ago
@killacounty stop comparing beastiality and homosexuality, it just shows how ignorant you are. having sex with a dog is not wrong because you can't make babies with them, it is wrong because they can't communicate what they want, and overwhelmingly they do not want to have sex with you, neither do children. two grown women or men deciding to have sex with each other is not any more perverse than straight people having sex just for fun.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch - does it show my ignorance or are you proving how closed minded you are - when a dog humps your leg or a woman who will accept it is that of - what about dolphins which often engage in sexual activity with humans - bestiality can be just as consensual as homosexuality and so can pedophilia, there is truly little difference!
killacounty 9 months ago
@killacounty living a homosexual lifestyle can be avoided and should be - why? because you say so? because that is what you have been told? when has someone else being gay effected your life at all? why is it your business? is there a victim you are protecting? or are you just protecting yourself from feeling awkward?
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch It is proven that people who live a gay lifestyle have a malformed and shriveled hypothalamus, Leonardo De vinci believed that the hypothalamus was where the soul was located, Leonardo Da Vinci was homosexual and still believed in a concept of the soul. ALL COMMUNISTS ARE ATHEIST!! atheism is a concept where a person pretends to know absolutely something that is imposable to know. It is an attack on people with faith in a concept - you are offended by God - the idea stings you!
killacounty 9 months ago
@killacounty denying god is making an assertion that there is no god-- no shit sherlock!! denying buddha is making the assertion that there is no buddha, denying fairies is making the assertion that there is no fairies, denying Thor is making the assertion that there is no Thor. I am making the assertion that there is no god. god is a concept you can never prove, and you have never been presented adequate proof he exists over any other god, so why believe it? because the people around you lied.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch - the fact is that that assertion can not be made because there is always a viable concept of god - our planet is a god compared to us and so is our solar system but beyond that the real god is over the entirety an infinite universe with rules and guideline that appear to be draft-able, science does not disprove god - if you pay close attention it brings out a concept of god. being gay is as gross and wrong as having sex with animals (also found in nature) but not right.
killacounty 9 months ago
@killacounty Leonardo Da Vinci was homosexual and still believed in a concept of the soul - what is your point? our planet is a god compared to us - uh, no. but if you say so i guess it must be true. the ocean is bigger and more powerful than humans, is the ocean a god? is every star in the universe a god? in your mind, is the universe made up of gods, ruled by gods? are we gods compared to ants? what exactly defines a god to you? you know, christianity says there is only one god, God.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@killacounty The issue I see with your reasoning is that the catholic church does not represent every one who believes in a god - and athiests are not the only homosexuals, in fact there is no correlation at all between faith and being gay. plenty of homosexuals have been shunned by the church because of being gay, yet they still believe in god. you christians turn your back on fellow human beings because they choose a peaceful lifestyle you dont happen to agree with.
afatdutch 9 months ago
@afatdutch You are God... honestly, you've known this all along, I mean, who did you think you are? Your identity grew over years, and you saw it all happen, so who does that make you? Nothing wrong with gay people either, id rather people be loving and fucking each other than killing each other.
jackrowet1234 9 months ago
@afatdutch - if you want to use common in anture as an excuse for a despicable way of living then you can explain away priest molestation as a common act in nature also, because it is common. The issue I see with your reasoning is that the catholic church does not represent every one who believes in a god - Jesus doesn't even have to tie in, the fact is that the words mess with you, you have negative references in your mind to a these concepts. communists are atheist hmmmmmm.
killacounty 9 months ago
@killacounty I apparently am not done yet... 70% of the the U.S. are christian. 80% of India is hindu. 90% of ancient Greece believed in Zeus. what does that tell you? do you realize that most people just believe what they are born into and have been told their whole life? I am an atheist, and it is dumbasses like you that make me a vocal atheist. I am not lazy, gay, without morals, or without desire to explain the universe and why we are here. In fact, i know more about your god than you do.
afatdutch 9 months ago
Please dont disgrace a dead man, he was no atheist.
tonymarie1984 10 months ago
The only distinction between belief in god and atheism is that if you believe in god, you get hair, if you don't believe in god, you don't get hair. That's all it comes down to, nothing else, for what it's worth. Just saying that you believe in god won't cure baldness either, if you don't mean it. God knows the truth.
MagiMysteryTour 10 months ago
@demongithara I agree! And definitely, I think more atheists should read Alan Watts as MetaBob suggested. Have you ever noticed that when you look at a self-proclaimed YouTube atheist's channel, they're always subscribed to Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, and Matt Dillahunty. Never are they subscribe to people who host Alan Watts, Terence McKenna, Graham Hancock, or Dr. Rick Strassman. Coincidence? I don't know. Maybe that sort of ignorance is a precondition for being an atheist or something.
Hanahleia 10 months ago
9:55 Cosmic Bush more-like.
toweronepower 10 months ago
@demongithara There are no problems outside of your own confusion. Stop lying that everything is okay and that you are fine. Wake up to your self delusions and egocentric outlook
barnyakj 11 months ago
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conscious people don't speak to the world like this
anoceanwithinme 11 months ago
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anoceanwithinme 11 months ago
blah blah blah blah bkah bkah bkah bkah bkah bkah
this is all just talk
oh man some one has to be right
let me be that guy
blah blah blah blah blah
talk talk talk
anoceanwithinme 11 months ago
but existence does go on and on and on and on! We are part of everything that was created in the big bang, and when we are finished we will become something else. In the same way the water we drink today was here three thousand years ago. It is a closed system we live in there is no more or less water in the world now than then.
In such a closed environment what makes one think that thoughts and emotions exist out of this environment.
UE2012 1 year ago
you are funny
TDP788 1 year ago
Gaian Consciousness
TDP788 1 year ago
@TDP788 Why think of the mystical experience as an encounter with the Gaian consciousness rather than a cosmic consciousness? What's the difference? Gaian consciousness vs. Cosmic consciousness. I always thought of Gaian as finite since it's of the earth, and the earth is finite, but I'd agree that there is a maternal/agapé aspect to the mystical experience as this is a quality of Gaia. However, I've always felt it was more universal and eternal, and implied a comsic consciousness.
Hanahleia 10 months ago
@Hanahleia i agree with you...but i think it comes in levels..the first being gain and then awareness increases to become universal/ eternal or what have you. just my opinion. interesting...
TDP788 10 months ago
I think part of the problem of understanding, is bias...and there is a fear of being converted/going insane/turning into a hippy. I think its funny how you say " don't worry, you'll still be an atheist." I think its important to stop "playing the atheist" (even using the word)...if you have to call yourself something, howabout a "scientist" in the truest sense of the word...someone looking for truth, any truth...
jackrowet1234 1 year ago
@jackrowet1234 That was very good. :) I believe in everything and nothing xD
warmsteel 11 months ago
The idea that consciousness arises out of the mind can be disproven in a multitude of fashions. Plants obviously share this consciousness. Animals, too. Even the celestial bodies exhibit conscious behavior. Consciousness, that is, exhibiting behavior that interacts and interdependent upon outer stimuli, circumstances and time frames. The belief that matter is all there is in this Universe is patently absurd, to me.
Kostly 1 year ago
@Kostly
I don't think you know what consciousness means. Interaction with and interdependence on the world is just physics. Planets aren't aware of things.
threechamberedpeanut 1 year ago
@threechamberedpeanut I never said anything about awareness. I said celestial objects exhibit conscious behavior. Notice, I did not say they were conscious or aware.
Kostly 1 year ago
@Kostly
Well I would say plants aren't conscious. What part of a plant feels or thinks?
threechamberedpeanut 1 year ago
@threechamberedpeanut YOU would say that. Not many others who have studied it will say that. I never said they think. They definitely do feel. They know when they're being touched. I would suggest looking at some publications online that are leading the field of plant consciousness. A perfect example of consciousness residing outside of the human brain.
Kostly 1 year ago
@Kostly
So I thought we might be arguing about semantics and I looked up some definitions of consciousness, finding that it REQUIRES cognition, excluding plants. Most arguments for plant consciousness anthropomorphize things like plant movement, or communication between plant cells.
Nervous systems have been pretty much conclusively shown to produce thoughts, feelings, memories, everything that we call consciousness. There's still some unknown details, but that's pretty much it.
threechamberedpeanut 1 year ago
@threechamberedpeanut Yeah, that's pretty much it. The argument ends there since you found the info you needed to end it. Yeah, ok.
Kostly 1 year ago
It makes practical sense for us animals to group all the things we can control with our mind under the name self. And all the things our mind depends on for survival as objects outside of our selves. We learn to make the distinction of self and objects as a babies and maybe we have to relearn it when on mushrooms. In that sense we see our hands and our eyes as as part of our self. But our liver is an object that is not me. In this sense, the pen, or the computer can become part of our selves...
WhatWouldBukowskiDo 1 year ago
I'm an Atheist and I love his book, The Wisdom of Insecurity, I agree with you. He speaks very much to the Atheist.
Colleen219 1 year ago
GOOD POINT.
mathema3x 1 year ago
I personally think all religions are trying to describe the same thing, in different and very fucked up and wrong ways... That feeling and knowing that were all just the same, be it the sun, the plants, just everything, we know of and dont. How can we differenent when were so interconnected on SO SO SO many levels.
dubconor 1 year ago
Isn't atheism really just people fed up with self-righteous religious people (redundant term I know). I mean it doesn't really even qualify as a philosophy - its just the rejection of religion. I think its up to individual people who reject religion to decide upon their own philosophical pursuits. I don't think Watts is a requirement for atheists.
bitswapper 1 year ago
@bitswapper atheism is just a lack of belief in a "god". However, it's taken a cult like following on, now. They use science and technology as their basis for life and also have humanist qualities and that is where they get their "morality" and "ethics" from. However, consciousness has guided those "humanist" qualities and consciousness includes all religions and spiritual endeavors. So they're attempting to seperate themselves from that, but, they are inherently intertwined and inseperable.
Kostly 1 year ago
I have been reading Alan Watts and found this video. I’m not an Atheist nor an Agnostic, I’m a non-atheist. I found MetaBob’s video entertaining and enlightening. It’s a bit presumptuous of me, but I would say that I have found Alan Watts to be a bit of a closet atheist. He was a philosopher and found comfort in many religious beliefs. I sense he was somewhat of an evangelist to the mooing herd of mainstream western religious orthodoxy, trying to give them what he had found in what he had lost.
Circlesnlines 1 year ago
I don't think Allen Watts would like this.
anoceanwithinme 1 year ago
@anoceanwithinme What do you know you can't even spell ALAN's name right.
ryanski77 1 year ago
@ryanski77 oh man you got me
anoceanwithinme 11 months ago
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I don't think Alan Watts would enjoy this.
anoceanwithinme 1 year ago
I don't think Alan Watts would enjoy this.
anoceanwithinme 1 year ago
On MetaBobs last point of life after death...
The steak i ate on friday nights is now well digested. All the matter contained within it, its proteins, sugars, and fibre now long since digested and integrated into my body. Through me, that cow is alive, though what i would refer to as "the cow" is dead. Is it just me, or is that poetically beautiful? :)
Jtiddab 1 year ago
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God is real. I am God. God wrote this. I am you. You are God. You wrote this. It is forever being written and read right NOW. The words are eternal and not subject to entropy. I use the Word of God (which is the word of Me/You) to express infinity through a finite vessel (which is my physical body). Your interpretation of these words eternal may infinitely vary, but the meaning is never truer than right NOW. "I am HERE and you are THERE", who else but you (God) could right that? Awaken.
9innail 1 year ago
I read Alan Watts about 40 years ago. About five years ago, of a sudden, I became aware of who i am, in an instant. Did that revelation come from Watts? Not likely. But ... There is a path. The beauty of which is that it is infinitely simple. It teases us, it confounds us the more we mess with it, but we know it all along. we just don't know that we know it. And then we do. Whether theist or atheist, it does not matter. We are all the same. But one gets it or one doesn't.
woodlawn4623 1 year ago
MetaBob..... what a cool name :)
pgod45 1 year ago
i cant stand alan watts... I saw his music and life little tidbit and it was the most pretentious piece of garbage I've ever encountered. It seemed like the kind of crap some wishy washy dimwit would see as "deep" and "inspiring".
avp715 1 year ago
Alan Watts speaks the truth i've had within but not had words for. Or, well, some words, but not as poetically presented as by AW.
Metabob..dig your presentation style Dude.
Abidingly, W
hopflo11 1 year ago
There ya go. You got the picture that some of the big boys like Hitchens and Dawkins have missed. There is more to religion than the sky daddy.
TaterGumfries 1 year ago
Does anyone see a way to combine atheism and theism? Buddhism presents a balanced system of karma and rebirth. So basically you live eternally in positions based off your actions. Your heaven or hell is created off what you chose. It is both mercifal and just. This system promotes teaching and wisdom as well as compassion and love.....God worshippers like to invision God as a being but they admit they don't truly know how he exists. Can't we view God and this system as one in the same?
dcraven016465 1 year ago
@dcraven016465
Buddhism fits every religeon once you let go of the specific names of your God. Rather than let go of your faith can't we just open up our idea of what the term God is? The meaning and lessons behind every religeon reveals the same teaching. God is the way, not the rocks on the road, but the way. Dharma dharma dharma.
dcraven016465 1 year ago
do like
aristottlesdeathwish 1 year ago
thing bout atheist reaction to god /bible god, is that it has been a source of cruelty and ignorance to this day. the pope denouncing condom use in africa, creationism... theres really no qualm if someone believes wat they believe happily and lets others alone.
adzug 1 year ago
ramblin
davidb10se3 1 year ago
So you can talk about it, you can point people in the right direction. But that is all "words" ultimately are. Signposts.
Peace.
DoNotBeHighandMighty 1 year ago
I will say one more thing, Jesus and Krishna both spoke of the nature of that "state." The state of nothingness which is ultimately fullness. That is the perspective that they are speaking from in the story, whether or not it is literally true or a mythology makes no difference. It points to the highest truth of human awareness and experience which can only be "experienced." How can you "label" something beyond "words/thought?" You are going into an "illusion" to explain something greater.
DoNotBeHighandMighty 1 year ago
Theres the truth of "Religion and God" in a nutshell.
DoNotBeHighandMighty 1 year ago
That is the purpose of serving Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, etc... It wouldn't matter if you served "the flying spaghetti monster(as those who label themselves Atheists do.)" You would still get the same results. But "Faith/belief" is what keeps the person with the attitude of "serving others" and that is what keeps them from adding onto the "self(which would ultimately be an illusion.)" That is why every spiritual teaching including "buddhist" teachings speak of Non-Attachment.
DoNotBeHighandMighty 1 year ago
So reality is _________ . That is what we are. So you can see the "Atheist" and the guy who goes around saying he is a "Believer" are both living in an illusion that their minds have created. And then they battle each other out(which shouldn't happen because the believer should turn the other cheek and become the bigger man.) But serving something "other" than "self" helps dissolve the mind created self over time and one day the person "awakens." Or as the Buddhists call it a "Satori."
DoNotBeHighandMighty 1 year ago
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That is why the bible says, "know the truth, and the truths shall set you free." You can only "know" something from "experiencing it."
DoNotBeHighandMighty 1 year ago
So eventually the individual realizes that "I am God." There was "nothing but God." But in this "realization" there is the "experience" which brought the realization. An "Awakening." An awakening from the illusion of the false sense of self which I have given examples of from my comments below. And the "illusion" can go very deep. And it is what causes all suffering. Identifying with an illusion. But when you know God(reality) and "live in it" you are free.
DoNotBeHighandMighty 1 year ago
I will explain further. Saying "I don't BELIEVE in God" is meaningless. It is just a "thoughtform" in the head. Nothing more, nothing less. But if you continuely "think" this thought and latch onto it, you will get a sense of "me." of "I am an Atheist." But in "REALITY(or God)" you are not "an atheist." That is just a "thought" in your head. You just "are." And that goes the same way with a "believer." Except a "believer" is on a "path" to this great truth/realization/experience.
DoNotBeHighandMighty 1 year ago
You see people, you can not "label" yourself an "ATHEIST" or a "BELIEVER" unless you first ask the question, "does God exist?" in the first place. What happens if you never asked the question? No, you would not even label yourself an "ATHEIST" and get a "false sense of self" out of it. You would just "be." And that goes for all concepts that the "mind" makes up and attaches too and makes a sense of self which is ultimately an illusion out of.
DoNotBeHighandMighty 1 year ago
God is the highest state of human awareness and experience, it is "oneness." It is "everything." But since it is everything it is also "nothing." Hence you could say "God exists or God doesn't exist" and you would be correct either way. It is like saying "is the glass half empty or half full," it is both. But "talking" about it means nothing, "experiencing it" means everything. And that concept of "God" is what all major spiritual texts including "JESUS's teachings" point too. OUCH.
DoNotBeHighandMighty 1 year ago
Gets through to me. Beautiful. This will probably not get through to atheists though.
borghese1 1 year ago
at 9:02 no Gestalt is not a forgotten word, in Remote Viewing we use it all the time. Probably not with the same sense that you use it with, still it's an active part of our vocabulary :)
10:40 hey your room looks like mine!
firuinthehouse 1 year ago
Alan Watts is awesome. I am not an atheist, and I am not a believer either. In mainstream religion that is. Whatever Alan is or stands for, I for one find it very uplifting and refreshing.
As for your vid being a bit unstructured, I found that writing on a small paper the main points you want to touch in a video (in order) helps a lot. Nothing detailed, just 4-5 main points and take it from there, to keep things on topic.
I'm off to watch some of your other videos, see if I should sub :)
firuinthehouse 1 year ago
watch youtube vid:
TEDxBlue - Daniel J. Siegel, M.D. - 10/18/09
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
alan watts put the religious part of my brain back in to motion. religion meaning the mystical part.
TheMalmal21 1 year ago
Watts does seem to blend the 2, which makes him well worth reading, but many scientists (and atheists) tend to confuse these two impulses and think that science and religion come from the same impulse (as this dude says from 03:18). They don't. Think through 03:18-03:58 again.
glaubs65 1 year ago
Science comes out of curiosity - wanting to know. Religion comes from a very different place - not wanting to die, not wanting to suffer, not wanting your bad deeds to be punished, not wanting your crops/tribe/family to fail etc.
glaubs65 1 year ago
@glaubs65 Not at all. Religion came from curiosity 'specifically'. The bible. Genesis. Tries to 'explain', the origins of the Universe.
Stop thinking of religion in the modern sense. Religion, eventually, sheltered the fear of 'not knowing'.
I'm sure, 1000's of years ago, spiritual philosophers theorizing the content, currently found in religious text, were just as credible, as Alan Watts, appear to be today.
Philosophy --> Religion ---> Science.
Science is what has brought us, 'knowledge'.
RustyRedReaper 1 year ago
@RustyRedReaper I'm not sure I agree. It's very difficult to know what the origins of religion were. It's probably a blend of 'fear protection' and curiosity, but with 'fear protection' being more fundamental. Freud posits that early ritual developed from a primal tribal guilt, after the murder of a primal tribal leader by the tribe (Totem and Taboo). I still think 'fear protection' is and was the main driving force behind religion.
glaubs65 1 year ago
@glaubs65 First of all, I hate the 500 character limit, because I didn't get to explain my premise and conclusion very well.
Second, if Freud's claims are true, then he is suggesting that tribal, societal structure, was the initial societal complex created by man... but, we know this is not true.
People were first nomads, just as travel when the seasons change. Just as buffalo, when resources are depleted, or predators overwhelming.
'Travelling', garners experience, then pondering --> change.
RustyRedReaper 1 year ago
@glaubs65 To say the tribe, came before the nomad, is wrong. Before 'tribal' thinking, there must have been a further primitive intellect of society.
The progression from that society, to tribal society, there must have been 'thought'. People aren't going to trust just a religion. All those who followed the first emerging cults, must also have been 'thinking' in the same way. A very crude philosophy.
To accept religion, curiosity must have been satisfied, before the idea of fear is sheltered.
RustyRedReaper 1 year ago
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glaubs65 1 year ago
You're using atheist where "skeptic" would be a better term. Atheism doesn't mean lack if belief on the supernatural, or even in religion. And, I think most skeptics are fine with spirituality as long as it doesn't actually refer to the supernatural. I, for one, am firmly in support of it. Spirituality as a philosophy, a way of thinking about the universe in a more accurate way, is good, and I would even say necessary.
pyVlad 1 year ago