Eje electrico . 2 Hub motor working as geneartor and motor.

[erikstrup]

I like the analogy you use: "electrical axle". That's what it is. Brushless motors continue to impress me. Thanks for sharing!

[bazengao]

are going to talk in inglish, spanish or spanglish? cuz i can understand the 3 of them, but im not so sure the rest of the audience can... choose 1 and pls don't choose the obvious. other them that i didn't got the actual point of this video. (bad mark there)

[MrJ32U2]

shhh q pendejo

[MelanionKISS]

Es muy interesante cuanto dinero vale? no veo el prrecio y su velocidad maxima cual seria?

Muy buen invento un saludo.

[TheSoldierCore]

you can make a speed up free engergie onlye you have to place a alestic on both and spin it

[karras85]

MFW everyone still arguing about over unity...

[yasiterere]

Muy bueno eso de usar la autoinducción para conceguir un tanden!!!! Me encantó

[ACWinding]

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[MrJetjoe]

the genrator moter has to put out more than u use buy the drive moter.

[kmac1959]

have you considered changing the size of the wheel in the front or the back to change the ratio, thereby creating more power than it currently is using on the one to one (1:1) ratio? surely it will work better than what you have now. perhaps extend the front forks and install a smaller front rim. by extending the forks it will maintain the ergonomics, and with a smaller rim it will turn more revolutions than the back rim, hopefully generating more electricity in the process.

[celogordinho]

WTF???

Você é um idiota eu fiz um desse na 3ªserie e tirei 100 essa é coisa mais simples de se fazer.

Em vez de você ter apenas ligados os fios positivo com positivo e negativo com negativo você deveria ter colocado alguns circuitos de capacitores e alguns transformadores.

O meu da terceira serie se eu dava 10 voltas na rodinha e outra dava 20 sua anta ve se aprende a faze as coisas antes de postar

Marcelo

[ninjaturtle11754]

hahaha sooo pointless I was waiting for the guy to start pedaling and the tv to come on or something

[mikerozo]

ns experiment too bad its useless

[rodicaxplod]

haw you bought them from europe? or shiped to you from us or china?thank's!

[russotragik]

whats the price of this Hub motor in Chile?

in Pesos Chilenos?(CLP)

[rgody]

@russotragik 500W 48V front motor, about 60.000 (USD 120)

[alberto7443]

Use a battery and the front hub like an electric-brake to reload battery. It should works!

[kmac1959]

right on alberto, i was thinking the same thing. if you used a battery to augment the shortcomings of the front wheel, i would think that the battery would last a long time as it's only giving up a little at a time from its reserve.

[cloudburstlenepmhq]

The big Oil corporations are trying their best to stop free energy ideas from spreading to common ppl.

We need to put an end to this corruption ,start generating ur own electricity now.

Visit LT-MAGNET-MOTORdotCOM and get the blueprints . Join the Revolution!!

[Xperience76aX]

Continued>>> the power required EXAMPLE one revelution of the LARGER WHEEL = 1.3 revelutions of the gennerator....Soooo, problem solved my freind...Subbed you and sending Freind add request... check out my Videos... if you require any more help...just message me (but in English if possible) k, good luck & it should work.

[Xperience76aX]

Okay, free help here....Rgody>>> you need to swap out the driven wheel for a 20" (inch?) and place this at the REAR (back) Use a 26" (inch) wheel at the front (Generator) bike will look a little wierd and the crank height may require lifting to make this functional (just a little Frame work required...extend the rear forks to make up the loss of pedal clearence yeah!!!) okay, this gives you improved balance and gennerated power will be increased due to the smaller size wheel used to gennerate

[burn2theground]

do a test of riding it

[HEMAS13]

porque no completa el systema electrico original , hub, speed controller,batteries,

kill switch etc. mejor hace un eje electrico que valla a las baterias usando el mismo

power de las batteries para convertirlos en generadores que transportan mientras

ruedan generando electricidad ,tambien implicaria aderir un power inverter y bla bla

its never going to happen!,i know.

[mosca001]

eso tiene que ir mas duro que la ostia

[jokekash]

Hola

Felicidades por tus videos.

Tengo una bicicleta con un motor de 680w a 36v, quisiera instalar otro motor (1000w 48 v) en la parte trasera de la bicicleta. Mis preguntas son las siguientes: ¿Puedo usar solo 48v para alimentar ambos controles o debo usar dos sets de baterias por separado 36 y 48v? y ¿como le hago para usar un solo acelerador?¿basta solo con conectar los controles al mismo acelerador (paralelo)? Muchas gracias por adelantado.

[julianoferreira15]

isso é legau mais isso naum dá certo, pois numa subida como a bike vai subir sozinha? isso naum adianta nem na subida e nem na descida.

porque uma roda roda a outra se numa subida uma roda para de rodar ela naum se movimenta

[ClownFight]

I have a bike fitted with a chain that drives the back wheel when I pedal with my legs. The amazing part is that as I travel along the road, the front wheel also turns as it is driven by the back wheel. If I stop pedaling, the back wheel continues to drive the front wheel which pulls me along the road. So far I've only tested this amazing phenomenon on the downhill, but I'm sure it will continue to pull me up the hill on the other side when I iron out a few bugs, like the laws of physics.

[kulpettaja]

Here's what you should do: add a battery, connect both motors to it in a way that when going downhill, both the motors load the battery, and when going uphill you turn a switch that puts power on only one of the motors. That way you accumulate power via two motors, but use only the energy of one motor going uphill. Does this make any sense or is it in contradiction with the laws of physics?

[techdavey1000]

@kulpettaja Perpetual Motion Machines contradict the laws of physics and will ALWAYS be rejected by the Patent Office. What is needed here is electrical assistance uphill but regenerative braking recharging the battery going downhill. Some cars now have special alternators that put huge currents into the battery during braking. These special alternators are controlled by the ECU so during acceleration very little current is produced. Similar ideas needed for bikes.

[ribby55]

I would like to know if there was a lot of resistance when you turned the front wheel? Did you feel it was like normal or was there more drag since it was powering up the rear motor. Have you tried it on the ground running? It is funny how I came up with this idea as well. Maybe this could be some revolutionary stuff. Get back to me....

[nanothli]

En Mexico donde se consiguen

[Adrian000000000019]

una idea facil espero tengas chance d leer este comentario para que hagas una buena prueba, el motor trasero usalo kmo generador conectalo mediante un circuito recargador d baterias y las baterias tendran siempre el poder para impulsar o dar vida a el primer motor ademas puesdes usar un recargador d baterias y un pekeno transformador para k asi haga un circuito recargando las baterias cuando lo nesesite aun en movimiento y teniendo mas fuersa o velocidad con el 1er motor saluds exelente invento

[sevenheads]

Hola, soy mexicano y vivo en aguascalientes me ha interesado dese hace tiempo los vehículos impulsados por energía humana, pero fue hasta que vi tu vídeo empece a comprender las enormes posibilidades que tienen estos motores, soy un entusiasta de mantener mi mundo limpio y solo me hace falta ver donde puedo adquirir esos tipo motores en México hacer algunas pruebas y tener un transporte a mi trabajo y a mis demás actividades. Felicidades creo que vas por muy buen camino

[john1966elliott]

Lol It was two wheels drive LOL

[decdaniel]

EXCELENTE IDEA!!!!!! ERES UN GENIO!!!!!!!TU IDEA ES QUE SIN EL USO DE BATERIAS TENGAMOS VELOCIDAD EN LAS BICICLETAS GRACIAS A LOS MAGNETOS... te hago una pregunta: ¿Has probado en uno de tus experimentos que uno funcione con energia de las baterias y el otro sea esclavo (que use la energia que el otro produce que no se aprovecha)? es posible hacer algo parecido al menos, digo para aprovechar al maximo la energia?

[rgody]

La energia solo se transforma. Este equipo ilustra que los motores brushless DC pueden funcionar tanto como generadores asi como motores. Por el momento tiene aplicación para el traslado de energía de un punto a otro mediante cables. (eje eléctrico)

[jotabe69]

@rgody como puedo comprar uno de estes en brasil? gracias

[pr5021]

Ustedes me a de dar una idea muy grande sobre los magnetos para los autos, y para muchas cosas mas pero digo yo si en el gobierno hablan tanto sobre la contaminacion del ambiente como es que aun no han de hacer los autos con magnetos asi elimarian el motor de un auto,seria una forma de eliminar la contaminacion del ambiente diria que es un invento mejor que un carro solar porque lo que eh de ver un motor magneto puede crear mas rapidez que un carro solar y con menos gastos con magnet

[Isheetmadrawers]

The energy needed to power the rear wheel via the front is equal to or more than the power produced. It will be like riding a regular bike only heaver.

[clnmyjts]

very nice...Let me know when you have them up for sale..I have been thinking about setting my bike up with a electric motor for getting around in the valley...everything is flat here in pheonix..it would work great

[ilgalane]

a muy bien eso esta genial!and you english just fine too, no to be sorry,

saludos hermano!

[STUCASHX]

I understand this as an experiment. One hub is working as a generator and the other as a motor.

Please let the people watching know that this is no good on the road. As i'm sure you know (and you can see in the video) the front wheel takes more effort to turn than is produced by the back wheel, showing that energy is actually being lost through heat, friction, electrical resistance etc.

You can't have energy from nothing everyone, sorry.

[rgody]

Off course energy cant be obtained from nothig. This is the thing I'm trying to tell to a lot of people.

Any way, the aim of this experiment is to show an electric hub. It could be useful in water pumping (the motor) by mean of one wind mill (the generator).

Sorry for my bad english.

Regards

[STUCASHX]

Thanks for the reply, your english is excellent !

The comment was directed at the people watching your video, not at you personally.

Keep up the good work ;-)

[sirlonghair]

@rgody no but it can be stored as it slowes you down IE. regenriteve break. both would work together as genarators storing it in batterys till you go then the power is used at both as moters less waist just like in a hybrid car

[jotabe69]

@rgody como puedo comprar uno de estos en brasil? como llama? donde se vende?

[impazzitoinvolo]

Optimo experimento.Me dirias de que potencia son los motores y adonde los puedo conseguir por favor?

[rgody]

Son de 350 W. Se consiguen en Chile en w w w . m o v i e l e c t r i c . c l

Saludos

[travischattin]

I heard some work with super conductors.... very, very, cold with electric motors helped to overcome some of this *loss*.... I am pulling this from memory from my childhood from about 25 years ago... didn't they do some work with this on submarines?

[marcosafonsso]

nao entendi nada.

[75cbirnenfoermig]

genial

[thesouthcamera]

Wow thats cool! 2 wheel drive bike no extra chain! Does it work as good as a normal bike?

[catandpiddle]

Please learn how to hold a camera steady.

[marcusparanoico]

que buen experimento. si pudieras conectar el motor que alimenta a la energia mecanica que produce el usuario la bici se recargaria con el uso. no creo que al 100% pero seria un ahorro. saludos y sigue con esas ideas. desde viña tambien.

[bluanvil1]

Very impressive. This is like having a propeller shaft without the shaft. Instead of building the shop right next to the waterwheel. You can put the wheel where it is most effective and still use the mill without any power storage or transmition. This could also be used in a noval way to teach kids about electricity. I have always wandered how something like this would work. Im a subscriber... let me see more!!! Thanx

Best regards Mark

[rgody]

You are right Mark.

I will post new videos in order to expalin better the concept.

Regards.

Rodrigo

rgody yahoo com

I will post new videos in order to expalin better the concept.

Regards.

[S00rabh]

Now connect the two, and u got a machine with 99% output..

1% lost in Friction..

So ur Machine Require little homan iput and can go on without battery!!!

[rgody]

nop. you need to pedal to supply energy to the generator hub. In your idea, when you pedal you feed with kinetic energy to generator and this feeds with electrical energy to motor.

[timrocket2008]

Its more like 40% loss. You will get only 60% output from what you put in. It would work better to physicaly pedal the wheel with a chain.

[cyclesurfer]

Great. Using 2 wheels with very little input and a good battery, you could probably go a couple hundred miles on a charge, make a nice velocar that requires very little human input.

[carlos5r]

eso es un syncro, no?

[rgody]

Ambos son motores sincrónicos de imanes permanentes.

[leadershit]

de que universidad eres?

[rgody]

Estudie en la UTFSM .

[ososordo]

quiero saber si probaste funcionando y si mejora la marcha , osea si se hace mas liviano cuando mas rapido anda contestame por favor

[rgody]

NO SIRVE.

Esto es solo para ver que este tipo de motores sirvern como generadores y es posible transmitir energia via los cables. NO ES APLICABLE A UNA BICICLETA.

[webheo]

Hola, la idea es usada ya por las bicis Matra, en francia para recargar las baterias aunque no es del todo efectivo ya que la recarga es minima.un saludo desde Francia

[cristiansaa]

hola donde consigo un motor de ese tipo soy de chile

[slh950]

hi, looks great!

is there any information on the engine specifications, where they might be found etc?

Grazi (!!?)

[rgody]

write me . rgody @ yahoo . com

[peludodelort]

interesante eperimento de eje electrico.. felicitaciones... donde se consiguen esos motores y gen?

un abrazo

edu

de puerto montt

[jjmup]

y si le pones una rueda de menor rodado al generador (rueda delantera)que al motor(rueda trasera)? esto haria aque la rueda delantera gire mas rapido y por ende no limite la velocidad

[rgody]

Recuerda que son BLDC, en la condicon que está las velocidades de giro seran iguales independinete del diametro de la rueda ... este video es solo demostrativo . Sirve para transmitir movimiento . Ejemplo molino eolico transmite energia mecanica para elevar agua. Tal como lo dice el video EJE ELECRICO. No sirve para poner en una bicicleta a menos que se alimente los dos motores y resulte un "bicicleta tractor".

[Tiberiankosei]

wena perro, tambien soy de viña, oye...como cuanto te sale un juego de esos en el mercado???

Igual interesante el asunto, no tenia idea, y esta mejor que el motor a bencina de 2 T....

[amen2233]

the front wheel (generating) has to move before the back wheel (motor) ...the front wheel has to move faster than the back ...due to losses .......chances of this acutually being practicle ....zero! you can't get more than you put in --its a little law that has such a powerful meaning!

[rgody]

Power is torque x angular speed. In both motors angular speed is the same because are BLDC machines. Torque is more in generator than in motor due losses. Then power required in generator is more than in motor .There is no phisics law broked.

[amen2233]

Then power required in generator is more than in motor . ---------isnt that what i implied by saying it has to move faster...use your formulae ... either faster (bigger wheel ect ect) or alot more torque (adding gears) .....either way --lenz's law is a bitch. What is the purpose of this bike??? overunity???

[rgody]

The purpose of this video is to show how to transmit enegy throught cables.

You can move one generator with water in a small fall and other motor can work pumping water or milling something.

[MANSTIR]

can u explain how u do it

[rgody]

Encglish : There are 2 motors in each wheel . In fact both machines are PM synchronous motors. One works as generator and the other as motor. When you turn the front wheel , an AC current is generated and feed the rear motor.

Español : Hay dos motores instalados en cada rueda. Ambos son maquinas sincronicas con imanes prmanentes. AL girar el primer motor (frontal), se genera una corriente alterna que alimenta el motor trasero impulsandolo.

[eenergie]

thanks for rating mine too :-)

[rgody]

Your welcome!!! Nice 4 wheel vehicle.

[heli400]

Not really gaining anything there... You're generator is also working as an electric brake. Notice how as soon as the front wheel stops the rear wheel stops? you need an H-bridge to get rid of the transient voltages or something like that. It's been a few years from electronics class. Hopefully someone you know understands what I mean. Sounds like you speak another language.

[rgody]

Both machines are AC synchronous motor/generators or PMSM. Are you sure I need H bridge ?. The system works with AC currents.

Off course the motor have losses and stops the generator (basic physics). Im from Chile. Here we speak Spanish.

[heli400]

I'm no expert and I'll have to look in my electronics college books to verify, but from what I remember with an H-bridge if you were to move your front wheel (that acts as the generator) and then stop it. Your rear wheel would continue to move in the same direction and not stop because it has no opposing voltage working against it. (generated from the inside moving brushes). But hey you build this bike, and you'll be able to tell better. Do you use less effort to bike with this setup?

[rgody]

The motors don't have brushes. They are brusheless (AC motors). We don't use this configuration as ebike. This video is for educational purposes only . Regards.

[JayDMDigital]

H-bridges are for DC motors to allow forward and reverse control. You were right the first time, he is providing the energy in to the front wheel which is acting as a generator feeding the back wheel.

[JayDMDigital]

Due to them having 3 phases I would guess they are brushless DC motors. There is a ring of PM's around the hub which generate currents in the stator "teeth". Since the 3 coils are tied to each other the current generated it used to create an electromagnet on the rear wheel which (repels/attracts) the PMs in it's hub. But I fail to see the point? What are you trying to show exactly?

[sistemasjp]

estimado, lo has probado esto andando en la calle?, me imagino que la velocidad aumenta en proporcion en cuanto uno pedalee mas o menos, tambien podria funcionar sin baterias este sistema? ojala puedas subir unos videos mostrando esto en la calle, excelente, suerte.

[rgody]

He probado un sistema con 2 hub-motors de 350 W en modalidad de motor, esto es alimentandolos de un unico pack de baterias.

La prueba d este video solo se hizo pensando en transferir energía mecánica.

Si coloco este sistema tal com se ve (con neoumaticos por supuesto) en una bicicleta ocurre que el motor que actua como generador me frenara en mayor cantidad de lo que me aportara el otro que actua como motor. Saludos Rodrigo. wVw movielectric cl

[KRSBlair]

kool