i agree to king xanadu and gtx1123..kerry's writing was and has been unmatched.. the syncopated phrases alone makes this group stand out.....saw them circa 1974 and again 1977....changed me....
When you think about their creative output between the 6 short years between the silf-titled debut and Audiovisions, the output is astounding, and even more so when you add in the complexities of the music. This isn't the type of songwriting that comes to you in a flash, but is a craft that takes effort and persistence, and yet in 6 years they released arguably the best prog-rock of that or any era, not once, but seven times (while also touring and recording two solo albums). Amazing band!
When asked what my favorite song is, I have to qualify my answer by citing "my favorite non-Kansas song", because even though I love a lot of music across the decades, in the end, its not even fair to compare anything to Kansas-- Not even Boston or Journey. Kansas' music is the only music, that actually makes my day better.
I am only just discovering Kansas beyond Dust in the Wind and Wayward Son ... I love good prog ... if anyone can recommend me some good prog Kansas, please let me know!
@captainbaptain I actually envoy you Captain, because you have great music ahead of you.
Here is my Kansas "A" list:
Hopelessly Human, Nobody's Home, Paradox, Cheyenne Anthem, The Wall, Opus Insert, Miracles out of Nowhere, The Pinnacle, The Spider, Journey From Mariabron, Apercu, On The Other Side, A Glimpse Of Home, No One Together,Song For America, Diamonds And Pearls, Incommudro, Closet Chronicles Kerry Livgren's Ground Zero...to name but a few!
These guys definitely were masters of their instruments and wrote great music. One other band comes to mind to truly creating great music is Rush. Just my opinion. Not the same type of music but great musicians.
What I like about kansas is the rock sound of the singing and some instruments...but it has that countryish sound too. Kansas fan since 8-23-11 (yesterday).
So many good songs on this album. It really was the pinnacle of their career. Glad to see that Kerry Livgren is recovering from his stroke. He has apparantly lost a lot of weight but he's still trying to regain the dexterity in his hands. May God hasten his recovery and healing.
@getula4003 - Some of their stuff is incredibly difficult to play. They, like other prog rock bands infused a lot of Baroque and Classical music into their songs, in chord progressions, syncopated rythms and crazy time signature changes. But they were masters at infusing counterpoint into their music which is basically two or more instruments that are independent in contour and rhythm yet harmonically interdependent (counterpoint originated in Renaissance & Baroque music)
Okay after listening to a lot of kansas (mainly this album), I've found that their most popular songs are actually their worst. When they do really crazy and out-there stuff like they do in this and Hopelessly Human, they are insane.
"Paradox" is the perfect Kansas song to play as a summary of what the band is capable of. In less than 4 minutes, they show all of the instrumental prowess, chops, arrangement skill, amazing vocals and interesting songwriting, wide harmonic palette and heart, to boot!
oddly there's an ad superimposed tell YOU TOO can be a guitar god in 15 minutes.. I just have a faint idea it's full of shit, but then again I'm kind of cynical.. Love this music, always have..
I could care less who knows of them or who doesn't.. They're fucking loss, our gain.. One of the great rock n roll bans of all time with an actual message.. DUHHH..
I'm really liking how all their songs have awesome intros. Thanks for posting a bunch of their songs...so many I haven't heard yet. I plan on going through all of them, maybe add a few to my iPod XD
i miss the old days of vinyl.I remember the rapture i would feel when buying a new album..taking the overwrap off and then the smell of the cover and all those amazing graphics.These kids really missed out on that.I love phil ehart`s drum work too.Complex,but always executed gracefully.
Imagine this... the ship is going UP the waterfall and coming out on horizontal land. Look close, notice where the sun is. Cock your head to the right 90 degrees.
Illuuuuuuuuuusion... I used to stare at it as a young stoner... i mean kid.
Complexity but well composed and performed. You don't see that anymore.
Back in the 70's, this was my music I enjoyed. And to think how I would not listen to 50's music and referred to it as "oldies" which was a difference of about 25 years. Here I sit still enjoying this music, which is, a difference of about 25 - 30 years. Kind of ironic isn't it. The next generation is going to tell me "oh, you listen to oldies.
@herper64 As for the complexity that is well orchestrated, you probably enjoy Tull just as much. Flute, accordion, xylophone, glockenspiel; just where do you see that anymore. Yu sure wouldn't see Lady Ga Ga performing that. (Not unless she dropped 6 hits of acid and got in bed with Walter Ostenac.)
I can remember when I was 15 in 1978. I bought a 45 with Dust In The Wind. Paradox was on the flip side. I was hooked. I listened to it about a million times. Great tune! Great band! Long live Kansas!
Kansas seems like the most under-rated band ever. For all you people who think Wayward Son is as good as Kansas gets, give Leftoverture a listen. I think almost every song on that album blows it out of the water
Absolutely. They are the most underrated band of the 70's. They don't make music like this anymore at all. And I love Leftoverture but watch "The Pinnacle" if you haven't .
Yeah man! I also love The Pinnacle. So freaking epic, beautiful melodies.,,are you a fan of Masque? I recently got that one, haven't been able to have a good sit-down with it yet though
Im with ya on that, but what about their album Masqe, I mean Carry on wayward son is really sub par to their true talent!!! Their song lamp light Symphony is at the top of the list of fav songs for me personally. Much love!
@KingXanadu Hell to the yeah! Magnum Opus, man how can you not LOVE the intro! And Whats on my Mind is a great "Wayward Son" type song! And Monolith,AudioVisions,and Song For America are all good albums too! Even the Elefante era stuff is good! Drastic Measures is FULL of underrated songs (Fight Fire with Fire, Andi,Going through the Motions) Power and In the Spirit really recaptured their prime! In short, Kansas fuckin ROCKS!
@KingXanadu Wayward Son was on Leftoverture... So... it blows itself out of the water? But, seriously, I didn't really care for that album. MASQUE, on the other hand, is a flawless gem.
I'm a musician and I'm sure all of the other musicians posting here will attest that Kansas' music was/is very challenging to write & perform in contrast to all of the mickey mouse nonsense nowadays that is passed off as music.
@GTX1123 i definitely agree with you GTX1123, it would be a real challenge to preform Kansas songs, I'm thinking of all the changing and unusual time signatures and the rythms - to cordinate everything. It is quite advanced music but it's also Amazingly Great! :)
Most, if not all of the documentaries on prog rock NEVER mention Kansas, probably because of the purists who reject what they consider to be the commercialization of prog rock. What a load of crap.
IMHO, Steve Walsh's voice is top 5 in all of classic rock. He can express such powerful emotion in those pipes! Up there with Freddie Mercury/Jon Anderson/Ian Gillan/Brad Delph...etc.
I'm not calling the fans narcissistic, pompous pseudo-intelecuals, what I mean is the BANDS that make this kind of music requires som serious skill and "music intellegence" unlike one-hit-wonders and pop-culture today
I have to hold my hands up and say I would never have known of Kansas were it not for Dream Theater covering some of their songs and citing them as a big influence!
So glad I checked them out, have the first 5 albums now! : )
I started doing that to my vinyl until I realized I could get a good quality cassette and Reel-Reel deck and transfer it. Then I just started ordering the reels from RCA Music club. But nothing will beat vinyl.
still have this on vinyl somewhere. wore the needle through to the other side listening to this tune! rhythmically complex tune, yet it grooves so fucking hard!
I totally agree with you. The cover is fantastic!!! It must have been created for the lyrics of Point OF Know Return, you know, "how far from to the point of know return".. It's clear
Steve Walsh is/was the #1 lead vocalist in the universe! God obviously was mindful of creating this superman on stage. As far as I am concerned, he is the best to have ever hit the scene! Not only Paradox is a well written, thought-out, fantastic song, but likewise, every other song that Kansas produced! Live on forever, Kansas! May your powerful, symphonic music never die! Take care, Steve! I stand in awe!
i agree to king xanadu and gtx1123..kerry's writing was and has been unmatched.. the syncopated phrases alone makes this group stand out.....saw them circa 1974 and again 1977....changed me....
saxplaya77 3 weeks ago
I remember buying these classic albums, where every song kicked ass!!!
mrbeech1 2 months ago
When you think about their creative output between the 6 short years between the silf-titled debut and Audiovisions, the output is astounding, and even more so when you add in the complexities of the music. This isn't the type of songwriting that comes to you in a flash, but is a craft that takes effort and persistence, and yet in 6 years they released arguably the best prog-rock of that or any era, not once, but seven times (while also touring and recording two solo albums). Amazing band!
EC66OK 2 months ago
@EC66OK Self-titled*, of course. :-)
EC66OK 2 months ago
@EC66OK Very well said, even more complex then Rush, and that's saying alot..
Rick31797 4 weeks ago
awsome! awsome!
IwasaBushfan 3 months ago
When asked what my favorite song is, I have to qualify my answer by citing "my favorite non-Kansas song", because even though I love a lot of music across the decades, in the end, its not even fair to compare anything to Kansas-- Not even Boston or Journey. Kansas' music is the only music, that actually makes my day better.
renegadetenor 4 months ago 2
Kansas is much underrated.
Prog rock in general is enjoying a newfound respect today. But some groups (like ELP, Yes and Kansas) are still beyond the pale for some reason.
Undeservedly so. Leftoverture and Point of Know Return are remarkable albums with some very inspired music.
Bylandt11 4 months ago
I am only just discovering Kansas beyond Dust in the Wind and Wayward Son ... I love good prog ... if anyone can recommend me some good prog Kansas, please let me know!
captainbaptain 5 months ago
@captainbaptain I actually envoy you Captain, because you have great music ahead of you.
Here is my Kansas "A" list:
Hopelessly Human, Nobody's Home, Paradox, Cheyenne Anthem, The Wall, Opus Insert, Miracles out of Nowhere, The Pinnacle, The Spider, Journey From Mariabron, Apercu, On The Other Side, A Glimpse Of Home, No One Together,Song For America, Diamonds And Pearls, Incommudro, Closet Chronicles Kerry Livgren's Ground Zero...to name but a few!
sunboyfun 4 months ago
These guys definitely were masters of their instruments and wrote great music. One other band comes to mind to truly creating great music is Rush. Just my opinion. Not the same type of music but great musicians.
red5150ful 5 months ago
Thumbs up if you're watching this in 1977.
malofa99 5 months ago 2
@GTX1123 What instrument(s) do you play?
jeffreygaudreault 5 months ago
Kansas is one of the best American rock bands of all time, man!!
jeffreygaudreault 5 months ago
What I like about kansas is the rock sound of the singing and some instruments...but it has that countryish sound too. Kansas fan since 8-23-11 (yesterday).
kingbuggie 6 months ago 2
So many good songs on this album. It really was the pinnacle of their career. Glad to see that Kerry Livgren is recovering from his stroke. He has apparantly lost a lot of weight but he's still trying to regain the dexterity in his hands. May God hasten his recovery and healing.
GTX1123 6 months ago
@getula4003 - Some of their stuff is incredibly difficult to play. They, like other prog rock bands infused a lot of Baroque and Classical music into their songs, in chord progressions, syncopated rythms and crazy time signature changes. But they were masters at infusing counterpoint into their music which is basically two or more instruments that are independent in contour and rhythm yet harmonically interdependent (counterpoint originated in Renaissance & Baroque music)
GTX1123 6 months ago
Okay after listening to a lot of kansas (mainly this album), I've found that their most popular songs are actually their worst. When they do really crazy and out-there stuff like they do in this and Hopelessly Human, they are insane.
KA1Z3RTheAmazing 6 months ago
one of the best albums ever recorded in nashville.
dyhanendra 7 months ago
I was just admiring the album cover when a fucking Glee ad pops up. FUCK YOU GLEE!!!
psych380 8 months ago
my all time favourite prog rock album. kansas somehow manage to put so much emotion into their music, they are awesome!
ridefly66 8 months ago
"Paradox" is the perfect Kansas song to play as a summary of what the band is capable of. In less than 4 minutes, they show all of the instrumental prowess, chops, arrangement skill, amazing vocals and interesting songwriting, wide harmonic palette and heart, to boot!
sunboyfun 9 months ago
Great vocals, great violin, great guitar solo.
Great band. Robby, PLEASE rejoin Kansas, it's not the same without you!
daviemmproc111 10 months ago
@daviemmproc111 Seriously? David Ragsdale can play circles around Robby.
fraroc 8 months ago
Damn these guys rock!
Whats old is new again...
SIRR1
1SIRR 10 months ago
We give too much credibility to England and not enough to the HEARTLAND!
OrisLover 11 months ago
oddly there's an ad superimposed tell YOU TOO can be a guitar god in 15 minutes.. I just have a faint idea it's full of shit, but then again I'm kind of cynical.. Love this music, always have..
DrFeelRotten 11 months ago
I could care less who knows of them or who doesn't.. They're fucking loss, our gain.. One of the great rock n roll bans of all time with an actual message.. DUHHH..
DrFeelRotten 11 months ago
1 person does not think there is more than meets the eye, nor would they like to see it before they die...
ThisIsRogueLiberty 1 year ago
I want to know who the bum who rated this down is
Reierdacool 1 year ago
The most underrated 70's prog rock group.
RaidonSama 1 year ago
Kansas is one of the best bands that I know of, I wish more people new about thei music!
67impalalover 1 year ago
thank you for posting this. the memories are blowing my mind
stardaddyo9 1 year ago
I'm really liking how all their songs have awesome intros. Thanks for posting a bunch of their songs...so many I haven't heard yet. I plan on going through all of them, maybe add a few to my iPod XD
artaddiction101 1 year ago
been listening to this since i had it on 8-track in the late 70's lol, it's still kicks ass! like a lot of the music of this era!
wikkedmelodies 1 year ago
how can you NOT like kansas?!
SneezingTurtles 1 year ago
O-yeah...dust, dust in the wind....where is it???
Licmycat 1 year ago
i miss the old days of vinyl.I remember the rapture i would feel when buying a new album..taking the overwrap off and then the smell of the cover and all those amazing graphics.These kids really missed out on that.I love phil ehart`s drum work too.Complex,but always executed gracefully.
IwontConform 1 year ago 2
kansas might ocean,pure juice
morceguetty 1 year ago
one person hates this? NUTTER! so great
sirmugman 1 year ago
I love Kansas, they have such an awesome unique sound. Their music makes me wanna cruise down the highway at 120 MPH.
NavinJohnson90 1 year ago 2
Imagine this... the ship is going UP the waterfall and coming out on horizontal land. Look close, notice where the sun is. Cock your head to the right 90 degrees.
Illuuuuuuuuuusion... I used to stare at it as a young stoner... i mean kid.
xetlive 1 year ago
Complexity but well composed and performed. You don't see that anymore.
Back in the 70's, this was my music I enjoyed. And to think how I would not listen to 50's music and referred to it as "oldies" which was a difference of about 25 years. Here I sit still enjoying this music, which is, a difference of about 25 - 30 years. Kind of ironic isn't it. The next generation is going to tell me "oh, you listen to oldies.
skyferret1 1 year ago
@skyferret1 ha!!! ;) good point! i agree with you.
herper64 1 year ago
@herper64 As for the complexity that is well orchestrated, you probably enjoy Tull just as much. Flute, accordion, xylophone, glockenspiel; just where do you see that anymore. Yu sure wouldn't see Lady Ga Ga performing that. (Not unless she dropped 6 hits of acid and got in bed with Walter Ostenac.)
skyferret1 1 year ago
@skyferret1 ha!!! ;) very good point!
herper64 1 year ago
I can remember when I was 15 in 1978. I bought a 45 with Dust In The Wind. Paradox was on the flip side. I was hooked. I listened to it about a million times. Great tune! Great band! Long live Kansas!
hawkhonk 1 year ago
Kansas seems like the most under-rated band ever. For all you people who think Wayward Son is as good as Kansas gets, give Leftoverture a listen. I think almost every song on that album blows it out of the water
KingXanadu 2 years ago 43
Absolutely. They are the most underrated band of the 70's. They don't make music like this anymore at all. And I love Leftoverture but watch "The Pinnacle" if you haven't .
Butteroux 2 years ago
Just listened to the whole thing. Kansas was amazing, plain and simple.
Butteroux 2 years ago
Yeah man! I also love The Pinnacle. So freaking epic, beautiful melodies.,,are you a fan of Masque? I recently got that one, haven't been able to have a good sit-down with it yet though
KingXanadu 2 years ago
Yes, that's the album The Pinnacle is on but you probably know that. I'm guessing you're a Rush fan by your handle. They're one of my favorites too.
Butteroux 2 years ago
Huge Rush fan :)
KingXanadu 2 years ago
@KingXanadu same here! ;) AND a big Yes fan!
herper64 1 year ago
Im with ya on that, but what about their album Masqe, I mean Carry on wayward son is really sub par to their true talent!!! Their song lamp light Symphony is at the top of the list of fav songs for me personally. Much love!
HonestHeathen 2 years ago
@KingXanadu Wayward son is on that album, but ya i agree 100% Miracles out of nowhere / The wall make that song look almost like garbage
jacob12102 1 year ago
@KingXanadu every other song by Kansas does that lol
xXxRUSTINPEACExXx 1 year ago
@KingXanadu Seriously, and to think he wrote it one night... wow.
joesiden 1 year ago
@KingXanadu Carry On Wayward Son is the FIRST SONG on Leftoverture, so does it blow itself out of the water?
IndyCarFan68 10 months ago
@KingXanadu It's a great song still, no doubt about that.
malofa99 10 months ago
@KingXanadu Hell to the yeah! Magnum Opus, man how can you not LOVE the intro! And Whats on my Mind is a great "Wayward Son" type song! And Monolith,AudioVisions,and Song For America are all good albums too! Even the Elefante era stuff is good! Drastic Measures is FULL of underrated songs (Fight Fire with Fire, Andi,Going through the Motions) Power and In the Spirit really recaptured their prime! In short, Kansas fuckin ROCKS!
fraroc 8 months ago
@KingXanadu Wayward Son was on Leftoverture... So... it blows itself out of the water? But, seriously, I didn't really care for that album. MASQUE, on the other hand, is a flawless gem.
thisfireinmyskin 3 weeks ago
Love this song.
TheDoctor394 2 years ago
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I am a prog expert and Steve Walsh is an obnoxious screamer. Kansas did a few decent songs and the rest blow, like this trash
BetterTasteThanU 2 years ago
Unbeleivably ignorant statement.
glen713 2 years ago 5
ya you probly think the best songs are carry on my wayward songs and dust in the wind
scotclansmen 2 years ago
BetterTasteThanU - Brittany Spears and Miley Cirus make these guys seam like shallow, karaoke stars don't they!
brianshawsr 2 years ago
I'm a musician and I'm sure all of the other musicians posting here will attest that Kansas' music was/is very challenging to write & perform in contrast to all of the mickey mouse nonsense nowadays that is passed off as music.
GTX1123 2 years ago 53
@GTX1123
That's an insult to Mickey Mouse ;)
JonP1961 2 years ago
@GTX1123 well said!!!! :)
herper64 1 year ago
@GTX1123 absolutely! we play kansas, yes, blue oyster cult...nothing boring!
love this stuff! an our audiences eat it up!
dyhanendra 1 year ago
@GTX1123 you're right, I'm sad for that, but however, that 'music' is just more popular, isn't more than good music... ''srry fr m bd eng''
darkania9 1 year ago
@GTX1123
Indeed, agreed.
Paganguy1 6 months ago
@GTX1123 i definitely agree with you GTX1123, it would be a real challenge to preform Kansas songs, I'm thinking of all the changing and unusual time signatures and the rythms - to cordinate everything. It is quite advanced music but it's also Amazingly Great! :)
Tobbe999999999999999 2 months ago
First concert I ever went to was Kansas on their tour of this album. Not a bad way to start.
1stRogInAz 2 years ago
Most, if not all of the documentaries on prog rock NEVER mention Kansas, probably because of the purists who reject what they consider to be the commercialization of prog rock. What a load of crap.
GTX1123 2 years ago
IMHO, Steve Walsh's voice is top 5 in all of classic rock. He can express such powerful emotion in those pipes! Up there with Freddie Mercury/Jon Anderson/Ian Gillan/Brad Delph...etc.
Welshbluesman 2 years ago
im 16, and i've loved this band since was 11 =P
kriterous 2 years ago 6
@kriterous =D KAnsas is great! ;) Rush too :P Great Prog bands!
123DTRAY123 2 years ago
@kriterous I loved em when I was 16. I am 52 now
southpadreparade 2 years ago 2
prog should be referred to as "intelligent music"
knumorvid 2 years ago 4
No. It's just "great music". Don't try to make progressive rock fans look like narcissistic, pompous pseudo-intellectuals.
AlexRGravlin 2 years ago
I'm not calling the fans narcissistic, pompous pseudo-intelecuals, what I mean is the BANDS that make this kind of music requires som serious skill and "music intellegence" unlike one-hit-wonders and pop-culture today
knumorvid 2 years ago
@AlexRGravlin. A kind of progressive reli rock.
Keysmusic 2 years ago
the metric division during that guitar solo is just badass!
phil's accenting during around 2:48 is stellar. he hits the cymbals twice then drives that snare right on home!
groove on overdrive!
drummer or not, how can you NOT be moving at least one limb during that part :LOL:
JonP1961 2 years ago
Okay.
AlexRGravlin 2 years ago
There is always an exception. There's your paradox.
This sentance is a lie.
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blooperscrew 2 years ago
What are you talking about?
AlexRGravlin 2 years ago
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prediction for 2010, kansas breaks up, phil and rich go on to record and, steve is never heard from again.
lets see!
staraz1 2 years ago
i am goin to watch them live in
a week time, thats great .........
sorry about my engleshhh.........
julio6017 2 years ago
Kansas is awesome...one of the bands with the best lyrics out there. Yes, we have Yes, but I'm talking about streight meaning...anyway: Kansas rocks!
TheRealQuester 2 years ago 3
I wonder if Kansas likes Yes
Colddeed 2 years ago
and i wonder if dream theater and queensryce likes kansas?
ke2323 2 years ago
Seeing how Dream Theater covered this song in concert in Kansas City, I would say, yes, they are an influence.
mrporter2u 2 years ago
I have to hold my hands up and say I would never have known of Kansas were it not for Dream Theater covering some of their songs and citing them as a big influence!
So glad I checked them out, have the first 5 albums now! : )
chunderfromdownunder 2 years ago
they are the best 5 but check out in the spirit of things from 1988 its pretty good.
ke2323 2 years ago
will do buddy, thanks for the tip!
chunderfromdownunder 2 years ago
For me it was the show Supernatural XD
I have to thank Eric Kripke one day for introducing me to these cool old bands!
Coldfire3104 2 years ago
I started doing that to my vinyl until I realized I could get a good quality cassette and Reel-Reel deck and transfer it. Then I just started ordering the reels from RCA Music club. But nothing will beat vinyl.
KE5RHD 2 years ago 2
still have this on vinyl somewhere. wore the needle through to the other side listening to this tune! rhythmically complex tune, yet it grooves so fucking hard!
JonP1961 2 years ago
WHOA! You can't go wrong with Kansas
Ihaterudecomments 2 years ago 3
great album cover, too
Frozenfrog13 3 years ago 8
I totally agree with you. The cover is fantastic!!! It must have been created for the lyrics of Point OF Know Return, you know, "how far from to the point of know return".. It's clear
panosc2 3 years ago
they were going to put a man jumping off of a building at first, but decided that was to morbid.
true story, heard it straight from an interview with phil ehart. back in the 80's
ke2323 2 years ago
@panosc2 Pardon my correction, but it's, "How long to the point of know return" But knowing you tried is what counts.
LudwigVanHalen 1 year ago
@panosc2 agreed. Great album too. Too bad that LP's are all but relics and even CD's are obsolete. Album art will die except for videos.
Butteroux 1 year ago
@Frozenfrog13 - I liked the album cover so much, I painted it when I was a teen...
exemplar1 8 months ago
panosc2, son canciones grandiosas,
maanfrlo1965 3 years ago
Steve Walsh is/was the #1 lead vocalist in the universe! God obviously was mindful of creating this superman on stage. As far as I am concerned, he is the best to have ever hit the scene! Not only Paradox is a well written, thought-out, fantastic song, but likewise, every other song that Kansas produced! Live on forever, Kansas! May your powerful, symphonic music never die! Take care, Steve! I stand in awe!
chasonacoustic 3 years ago 3
WoW im so happy to hear this song, thanks a hole bunch for posting album
you rock and so does this album
sandylovesmusic7777 3 years ago
0:40 to 0:52
AWESOME!!!
Frozenfrog13 3 years ago
I sang this song at School back in 1988, I was 16, in the English Class.. Everyone sang TOP GUN Soundtrack and stuff like that...
Teacher thought this was a poem taht I had added music to...
No, Sir, THIS IS KANSAS: 1977: LIVGREN, WALSH, STEINHARDT, WILLIAMS, HOPE & EHART!
TrejosEd 3 years ago 7