In 1939-1940 and 1941-1944 Finnish airforce could match russian airforce with rate more than 1:5. Just using old DXXI Fokkers, Morane Saulniers and later with Brewsters and Bf 109's. In January 6th 1940, Finnish fighter pilot Jorma Sarvanto made world record by shooting down 6 russian bombers in less than 4 minutes. His plane was D XXI Fokker, with airspeed 20 km/h lower than the bombers.
gimme some sidewinders or sparrows and let this shit red fighter (fighter from ww2?..or what war is this aerobatics?, who needs dog fights this in this era? ...we are in 3rd millennium) to hover in front of me...
Thanks to Stalin's paranoid purges, Russia had to fight as an amputated, defective nation with its best and brightest imprisoned and slaughtered. Stalin also helped America win the space race.
@RussianPunch Oh, that's why USSR was recovered only 2 years after the war that they won together with the European Resistance movements? Naive and quite simplified that approach.
What is more, you trash the Soviets on its town and village as well as the 25 millions that were killed by the NAZI hordes....
@dkace2 Recovered? It depends on what you define as "recovered." In the twisted minds of Stalin supporters, it would be correct to say that Stalin's purges against thousands of scientists and engineers did not set back Russian scientific progress. Russia didn't need their brightest and best anyway. Yeah right.
@RussianPunch Recovered economy means an economy that reached the pre-war rates or even better. Means - in terms of Socialism- en economy that met the needs of its people and didn't struggle for survivor.
Means an economy that despite the death toll of the war managed to achieve all the above in no time. The "Stalin's purges" did not stand if you look at the real data. It is just there to tell a story that is quite fictional - from where I stand.
@dkace2 Okay, I get it. As an unlettered ignoramus, you make a very pathetic apologist for Stalin's diabolical deeds. Don't bother imposing more of your fantastical tripe on me, since this exchange is now over. Bye.
@RussianPunch Easy to accuse but not so easy to find arguments other than propaganda! HEHE...
Romans say: Scripta manet verba volen! Written is there, words are flying! USSR was teh first workers State. No Stalin /Breznief/Chrutsev or Gorbatsof's state. Simply workers state that had to overcome great obstacles - and a WW that killed 25 million of each citizens. On that effort mistaken policies as well as deliberate errors were made. But still, it was a WORKERS state. This is not over yet...
If it's not ten we all have a problem. Look at what happened to the Proletarian State! Look at North Korea! The USSR had destroyed and most of it's citizens. It' didn't offer them the freedom that it promised!
@zaco21 It is much more complicated than this....History is not a straight line- Economical and political systems help to it. What if the Works founded their first State on earth? Was it left "untouched" by the defeated enemy, capitalism? Nah....who is ruling Former Soviet States? Ex- "Communists". If that State was so ...good for them, why they didn't keep it as it was and destroyed it? Perhaps because that State was depriving them from the control over the wealth...Thin of it. It may help.
It was feudalism if I remember correct, before capitalism. The thing is that from the beginning of the human race there was a chieftain in every pack of humans. Social lairs existed from the beginning of cities and tribes. The concept of communism or socialism (the concept, without the name) appeared in the 18th century and Marx and Engels wrote a book creating a formalized idea in the 19th century.
@zaco21 You are correct in a sense. The first human societies were called protogon communist societies as there was no authority among their members.The slave-owner society, feudalism, capitalism are known as human oppression systems as a minority is controlling the wealth of the society. The bases of its defeat came with the French revolution - in political terms. Unfortunately this was aslo the base of the capitalists. 50 years later, the Paris Commune put the bases of the Workers State
@zaco21 A State at which the majority, the workers, are controlling the wealth they are producing, therefor their future. If someone today, sees an utopia on this revolution, then he accepts that he is just ...nothing and that the product of his work belongs to someone else... This is against the human nature itself! On the contrary, the common effort to maximize the common wealth for bringing man a level up is the natural evolution.
People can control their future without controlling the wealth of their country. Here's something you might like, in the world there are more and more wealthy people, your idea of a better world trough a communist system might one day be achieved, that of course if the Indians, Africans and Chinese stop multiplying (these guys will become a burden eventually).
@zaco21 This is not a scientific approach of how system works! You can't explain the world with terms of NAZI propaganda- not that you do it on purpose.
Now, "controlling the wealth they are producing" means to get control over the media of productions, not to get more money! If you achieve this, not only you can fed 3 times the world population but also do progress to any human community. That is a fact, as profit will not control the production- human needs will do
It becomes a problem. You don't need an overpopulated world. Here's something you didn't thought about, when all the production be stopped because there are enough products to last for while. The problem will be to make sure that there will be enough commodities until new commodities will reach the population because if they don't there'll be civil unrest, and it will spread very fast. Communism is like living on the edge without realizing it.
@zaco21 At the current rate, the US manufactures 20% of world GDP but uses 40% of the world resources (roughly)...right now, the US ARE a burden. Forget the Chineese, what do we do about the overfed overpampered US citizens?
arguing on the internet is ridiculous, but I'll take the bait. lets start with citation for your facts, then what kind of resources exactly. "overfed" would suggest eating habits. I don't know, man.
why don't you provide the link to the source then, since you're out to prove that USA are dirty capitalist swine and something should be done about them or something. Even more so, why BTU and not say - joules.
I am not saying the US is dirty capitalist swine, those are your words. I assume you know what you are talking about since you live there, so I will let that definition stand. I said that the American economy is energy inefficient compared to any other modern economy, like Germany or Japan.
Furthermore, the US has high value added industries that are not energy intensive, such as software giant Mircosoft, Oracle, etc. Should those be subtracted, the value of the US economy would decline compared to Germany which produces energy intensive products such as large numbers of cars per capita, machine tools, large steam turbine components by Siemens which they export etc.
Yet those stats list other countries which have that percentage even higher. Why not hate on those? Not modern economies? I see plenty of such up there. I believe it is also noted there that this chart does not represent energy use efficiency.
I'm still not sure about that claim of yours that USA produces 20% of world's GDP yet consume 40% of world's resources and how they are a burden in that way.
@52111centrumcz The US people also give away billions of dollars in aid. They contribute more than any other country, what you say is completely false and shows you up to be rather stupid...
The billions of aid given away by the US is used to support the US manufacturing base by mandating the use of US contractors as a condition of giving away the aid. So basically its a round the world financed subsidy to US manufacturers. Not to mention that US goods are rather expensive, so the amount of aid cannot be correlated directly with the dollar value provided.
4. Analizing a different economy than capitalism with capitalist economic terms is basicly naive, not the other way around. Is like trying to apply fluid mechanics to solid state physics. Both are physics, but different laws govern the two systems.
So,believing in a propaganda that has stands on moving sand is more naive than analyzing each system by its own laws. Think of that for a change.
3-comp: The '20s USSR was under constant invasions and civil wars, whereas '30s production was anything but military. In the contrary US and Germany economies recovered from '29's crisis via militarization of production.
3. Five year plans were there to ensure production that transform a non capitalist pre-revolution economy to an industrilized one. And they kept going after the war, as is the key for a central designed economy to function. Elementary political economy of socialism
2.Good point, when it involves non-thinking mass. To go into a socialist revolution, you need general asseblies that decides with democratic procuderes. Not ships...That belongs to the fascist camp, a favorite camp for the capitalists throughout the 20th century
We, the working class, the producers of the wealth, control our destiny, instead of them, the "bourgoi" class, the capitalist, a minority that oppress the people, the majority.
They say the west relies on stealth but just look how manuverable the f22 is. it is one of the most manuverable modern jet. plus the f22 can fire missiles during rolls.
In sertain conditions the computer-control system of f-22 takes over. Then comptr tries to recover from those cond. It creates so much G(s) on pilots that they lose control for some time. That's was likely the reason why they had 2 crashes lately. In that cond. it's very manuevrbl. (not better then SU planes)no proof of that exist. It's has dangerous consequenses for pilots and aircraft itself.
The design philosophy and philosophy of employment differ so much that comparisons between east and west can not be equitable. The west has always valued quality over quantity and been obsessed with installing the latest whiz bang wow equipment on their planes. High cost, small numbers and they are expected to last 20yrs or more in front line service. Soviet designs however have always been high consumption, short life cycle, and affordable in large numbers, mass over precision.
It would be better if it stayed in just technical review rather than political propaganda!
Yet it did not explained how USSR managed to defeat fascism. Why its economy was not militirized -thus unprepared for war but it was led by a ...dictator!
The Soviet Revolution brought mankind at the center of economics, politics, etc, etc, and this is not forgiven by the defeated fascists and capitalists.
Shame that such great information lays politicaly biased on this video.
Everything was militarized. Shame on lying about I-16 and I-153. There were many MiG-3 in the field. Lousy Discovery production. Read Mark Solonin. Compare losses of Luftwaffe in 1940 over France to losses over East Front. Showing shots of me-110 as fighter example is absurd.
Revolution brought new pigs to the power. Criminals and idiots.
Another lie is connecting purge of 1938 with the purge in aviation forces that took place later.
Revolution is the change of a economical structure to a completely different, based on the mass movement and initiative. If the masses stay steal, then pigs come again in power and you have capitalism again... As it happened in USSR: Today they are rulled by yesterday "party" officials. If socialism was same as capitalism, why they did have to change the system? there is a gap in your analysis...
In fact, Russian planes are better than American planes in terms of their engines. And Chinese planes had already surpassed the Russians in body quality and framework. However, American planes are much more advanced electronics. American planes is still number 1.
where did you get your info from? Maybe chinese can copy the bodyframe that's all they can do. But tha's all. There own airplanes(not a russian copies) would not stand a chance to compare on anything to a russian. The american planes probobly could have little edge in electronics but not for long time.
Su-37 iS low maintainable in air and easy to destroy by other high manuverble aircraft
razor11079 3 weeks ago
I loved this show. Every day in high school I would finish up my homework and watch it every day at 5 to see what they were talking about. :)
vfIskullangel 3 months ago
In 1939-1940 and 1941-1944 Finnish airforce could match russian airforce with rate more than 1:5. Just using old DXXI Fokkers, Morane Saulniers and later with Brewsters and Bf 109's. In January 6th 1940, Finnish fighter pilot Jorma Sarvanto made world record by shooting down 6 russian bombers in less than 4 minutes. His plane was D XXI Fokker, with airspeed 20 km/h lower than the bombers.
Jussi1400 10 months ago
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sirhalyavshik 11 months ago
Big plane, nice fat target for an aim-120 to lock on to.
macuss87 1 year ago
Remember, "Stalin's paranoid purges deprived Russia of many of its best and brightest."
RussianPunch 1 year ago
gimme some sidewinders or sparrows and let this shit red fighter (fighter from ww2?..or what war is this aerobatics?, who needs dog fights this in this era? ...we are in 3rd millennium) to hover in front of me...
GRATZIANI2002 1 year ago
Thanks to Stalin's paranoid purges, Russia had to fight as an amputated, defective nation with its best and brightest imprisoned and slaughtered. Stalin also helped America win the space race.
RussianPunch 1 year ago
@RussianPunch Oh, that's why USSR was recovered only 2 years after the war that they won together with the European Resistance movements? Naive and quite simplified that approach.
What is more, you trash the Soviets on its town and village as well as the 25 millions that were killed by the NAZI hordes....
dkace2 1 year ago
@dkace2 Recovered? It depends on what you define as "recovered." In the twisted minds of Stalin supporters, it would be correct to say that Stalin's purges against thousands of scientists and engineers did not set back Russian scientific progress. Russia didn't need their brightest and best anyway. Yeah right.
RussianPunch 1 year ago
@RussianPunch Recovered economy means an economy that reached the pre-war rates or even better. Means - in terms of Socialism- en economy that met the needs of its people and didn't struggle for survivor.
Means an economy that despite the death toll of the war managed to achieve all the above in no time. The "Stalin's purges" did not stand if you look at the real data. It is just there to tell a story that is quite fictional - from where I stand.
dkace2 1 year ago 2
@dkace2 Okay, I get it. As an unlettered ignoramus, you make a very pathetic apologist for Stalin's diabolical deeds. Don't bother imposing more of your fantastical tripe on me, since this exchange is now over. Bye.
RussianPunch 1 year ago
@RussianPunch Easy to accuse but not so easy to find arguments other than propaganda! HEHE...
Romans say: Scripta manet verba volen! Written is there, words are flying! USSR was teh first workers State. No Stalin /Breznief/Chrutsev or Gorbatsof's state. Simply workers state that had to overcome great obstacles - and a WW that killed 25 million of each citizens. On that effort mistaken policies as well as deliberate errors were made. But still, it was a WORKERS state. This is not over yet...
dkace2 1 year ago
@dkace2
If it's not ten we all have a problem. Look at what happened to the Proletarian State! Look at North Korea! The USSR had destroyed and most of it's citizens. It' didn't offer them the freedom that it promised!
zaco21 1 year ago
@zaco21 It is much more complicated than this....History is not a straight line- Economical and political systems help to it. What if the Works founded their first State on earth? Was it left "untouched" by the defeated enemy, capitalism? Nah....who is ruling Former Soviet States? Ex- "Communists". If that State was so ...good for them, why they didn't keep it as it was and destroyed it? Perhaps because that State was depriving them from the control over the wealth...Thin of it. It may help.
dkace2 1 year ago
@dkace2
It was feudalism if I remember correct, before capitalism. The thing is that from the beginning of the human race there was a chieftain in every pack of humans. Social lairs existed from the beginning of cities and tribes. The concept of communism or socialism (the concept, without the name) appeared in the 18th century and Marx and Engels wrote a book creating a formalized idea in the 19th century.
zaco21 1 year ago
@zaco21 You are correct in a sense. The first human societies were called protogon communist societies as there was no authority among their members.The slave-owner society, feudalism, capitalism are known as human oppression systems as a minority is controlling the wealth of the society. The bases of its defeat came with the French revolution - in political terms. Unfortunately this was aslo the base of the capitalists. 50 years later, the Paris Commune put the bases of the Workers State
dkace2 1 year ago
@zaco21 A State at which the majority, the workers, are controlling the wealth they are producing, therefor their future. If someone today, sees an utopia on this revolution, then he accepts that he is just ...nothing and that the product of his work belongs to someone else... This is against the human nature itself! On the contrary, the common effort to maximize the common wealth for bringing man a level up is the natural evolution.
dkace2 1 year ago
@dkace2
People can control their future without controlling the wealth of their country. Here's something you might like, in the world there are more and more wealthy people, your idea of a better world trough a communist system might one day be achieved, that of course if the Indians, Africans and Chinese stop multiplying (these guys will become a burden eventually).
zaco21 1 year ago
@zaco21 This is not a scientific approach of how system works! You can't explain the world with terms of NAZI propaganda- not that you do it on purpose.
Now, "controlling the wealth they are producing" means to get control over the media of productions, not to get more money! If you achieve this, not only you can fed 3 times the world population but also do progress to any human community. That is a fact, as profit will not control the production- human needs will do
dkace2 1 year ago
@dkace2
It becomes a problem. You don't need an overpopulated world. Here's something you didn't thought about, when all the production be stopped because there are enough products to last for while. The problem will be to make sure that there will be enough commodities until new commodities will reach the population because if they don't there'll be civil unrest, and it will spread very fast. Communism is like living on the edge without realizing it.
zaco21 1 year ago
@zaco21 At the current rate, the US manufactures 20% of world GDP but uses 40% of the world resources (roughly)...right now, the US ARE a burden. Forget the Chineese, what do we do about the overfed overpampered US citizens?
52111centrumcz 8 months ago
@52111centrumcz
lol. idiot.
kalle911 8 months ago
@kalle911
What, the truth hurts?
52111centrumcz 8 months ago
@52111centrumcz
arguing on the internet is ridiculous, but I'll take the bait. lets start with citation for your facts, then what kind of resources exactly. "overfed" would suggest eating habits. I don't know, man.
do elaborate.
kalle911 8 months ago
@kalle911
52111centrumcz 8 months ago
@kalle911
cdc(dot)gov/obesity/data/trends(dot)html
Well..that is a start.
Instead of spaces, enter full stops.
52111centrumcz 8 months ago
@52111centrumcz
so in other words people in USA consume more processed foods. I have yet to see this correlation between GDP and resources consumed.
kalle911 8 months ago
@kalle911
Look up US statistics and the BTUs of fuel used per $ of GDP of the USA and that of France and Germany. That should be interesting.
52111centrumcz 8 months ago
@52111centrumcz
why don't you provide the link to the source then, since you're out to prove that USA are dirty capitalist swine and something should be done about them or something. Even more so, why BTU and not say - joules.
kalle911 8 months ago
@kalle911
I am not saying the US is dirty capitalist swine, those are your words. I assume you know what you are talking about since you live there, so I will let that definition stand. I said that the American economy is energy inefficient compared to any other modern economy, like Germany or Japan.
seekingalpha(dot)com/article/82481-energy-use-per-gdp-unit-by-country
52111centrumcz 8 months ago
@kalle911
Furthermore, the US has high value added industries that are not energy intensive, such as software giant Mircosoft, Oracle, etc. Should those be subtracted, the value of the US economy would decline compared to Germany which produces energy intensive products such as large numbers of cars per capita, machine tools, large steam turbine components by Siemens which they export etc.
52111centrumcz 8 months ago
@52111centrumcz
I am in fact not from USA, I am from Estonia.
Yet those stats list other countries which have that percentage even higher. Why not hate on those? Not modern economies? I see plenty of such up there. I believe it is also noted there that this chart does not represent energy use efficiency.
I'm still not sure about that claim of yours that USA produces 20% of world's GDP yet consume 40% of world's resources and how they are a burden in that way.
But do keep trying.
kalle911 8 months ago
@52111centrumcz The US people also give away billions of dollars in aid. They contribute more than any other country, what you say is completely false and shows you up to be rather stupid...
Xiolablu3 8 months ago
@Xiolablu3
The billions of aid given away by the US is used to support the US manufacturing base by mandating the use of US contractors as a condition of giving away the aid. So basically its a round the world financed subsidy to US manufacturers. Not to mention that US goods are rather expensive, so the amount of aid cannot be correlated directly with the dollar value provided.
52111centrumcz 8 months ago
@RussianPunch Now as for the "unlettered ignoramus". please don't look at the mirror when you type on youtube. It is too obvious of your status...
dkace2 1 year ago
In this documentary film the incomplete and deformed information... A biassed film
ReDDDgo 1 year ago
7:29-7:35
AMAZING! Thank you for uploading.
someguy1228 1 year ago
5:55 WTF ? O_o LOL !!! ))
ware777com 1 year ago
@ware777com How did that happen?
Contrajoe 1 year ago
The aircrafts at 5:00 are I-16s, not "1-16s"... :)
jeanmiropica 2 years ago
I always loved the intro song to this show.
Contrajoe 2 years ago 8
4. Analizing a different economy than capitalism with capitalist economic terms is basicly naive, not the other way around. Is like trying to apply fluid mechanics to solid state physics. Both are physics, but different laws govern the two systems.
So,believing in a propaganda that has stands on moving sand is more naive than analyzing each system by its own laws. Think of that for a change.
dkace2 2 years ago
@dkace2
Socialism has a problem, it doesn't work!
zaco21 1 year ago
3-comp: The '20s USSR was under constant invasions and civil wars, whereas '30s production was anything but military. In the contrary US and Germany economies recovered from '29's crisis via militarization of production.
dkace2 2 years ago
3. Five year plans were there to ensure production that transform a non capitalist pre-revolution economy to an industrilized one. And they kept going after the war, as is the key for a central designed economy to function. Elementary political economy of socialism
dkace2 2 years ago
2.Good point, when it involves non-thinking mass. To go into a socialist revolution, you need general asseblies that decides with democratic procuderes. Not ships...That belongs to the fascist camp, a favorite camp for the capitalists throughout the 20th century
dkace2 2 years ago
1. You got this right. Socialist Revolution:
We, the working class, the producers of the wealth, control our destiny, instead of them, the "bourgoi" class, the capitalist, a minority that oppress the people, the majority.
dkace2 2 years ago
They say the west relies on stealth but just look how manuverable the f22 is. it is one of the most manuverable modern jet. plus the f22 can fire missiles during rolls.
puttz2 2 years ago
In sertain conditions the computer-control system of f-22 takes over. Then comptr tries to recover from those cond. It creates so much G(s) on pilots that they lose control for some time. That's was likely the reason why they had 2 crashes lately. In that cond. it's very manuevrbl. (not better then SU planes)no proof of that exist. It's has dangerous consequenses for pilots and aircraft itself.
vikruss 2 years ago
No control stick between the legs in su-37?
swarogman 2 years ago
Nope, the Su-37 features HOTAS (Hands On Throttle And Stick).
Eyeofnelms 2 years ago
The design philosophy and philosophy of employment differ so much that comparisons between east and west can not be equitable. The west has always valued quality over quantity and been obsessed with installing the latest whiz bang wow equipment on their planes. High cost, small numbers and they are expected to last 20yrs or more in front line service. Soviet designs however have always been high consumption, short life cycle, and affordable in large numbers, mass over precision.
n68188 2 years ago
the size of the su37 compared to other fighter jets make this even more impressive. They are freaking HUGE compared to other agile fighters.
ronnysoeberg 2 years ago 8
@ronnysoeberg
Approx the size of an F15, but they are essntially 2 aircraft for the same job.
The SU 34 Fullback is EVEN BIGGER, believe it or not.
As for small aircraft, the A4 and F5 are midgets of the aircraft world, there's a pic of an F5 and an F15 taxiing and it's kinda shocking.
F14s also a big one btw.
Ag3nt0fCha0s 3 months ago
It would be better if it stayed in just technical review rather than political propaganda!
Yet it did not explained how USSR managed to defeat fascism. Why its economy was not militirized -thus unprepared for war but it was led by a ...dictator!
The Soviet Revolution brought mankind at the center of economics, politics, etc, etc, and this is not forgiven by the defeated fascists and capitalists.
Shame that such great information lays politicaly biased on this video.
dkace2 2 years ago
Everything was militarized. Shame on lying about I-16 and I-153. There were many MiG-3 in the field. Lousy Discovery production. Read Mark Solonin. Compare losses of Luftwaffe in 1940 over France to losses over East Front. Showing shots of me-110 as fighter example is absurd.
Revolution brought new pigs to the power. Criminals and idiots.
Another lie is connecting purge of 1938 with the purge in aviation forces that took place later.
dimetyloketon 2 years ago
Revolution is the change of a economical structure to a completely different, based on the mass movement and initiative. If the masses stay steal, then pigs come again in power and you have capitalism again... As it happened in USSR: Today they are rulled by yesterday "party" officials. If socialism was same as capitalism, why they did have to change the system? there is a gap in your analysis...
dkace2 2 years ago
1. Revolution is the total and ultimate redistribution ("we have it" instead of "they have it")
2. Masses do not move by themselves, they must be manipulated (by agitators, "leaders" , politicians etc)
3. It is not about today, It is about 5 years plans pushing everything into the war preparation in 20's and 30's.
4. There is no gap, think over point 1. and do not be a naive child.
dimetyloketon 2 years ago
Thanks, great video.....lots of info...su-37 is king...
twobazzar 2 years ago
In fact, Russian planes are better than American planes in terms of their engines. And Chinese planes had already surpassed the Russians in body quality and framework. However, American planes are much more advanced electronics. American planes is still number 1.
stephentsang2000 2 years ago
where did you get your info from? Maybe chinese can copy the bodyframe that's all they can do. But tha's all. There own airplanes(not a russian copies) would not stand a chance to compare on anything to a russian. The american planes probobly could have little edge in electronics but not for long time.
vikruss 2 years ago
russian planes rock.
hairybeast101 3 years ago 3
Not as much as American ones.
USA, USA, USA!
hobbitthedog 2 years ago
Super video!
Stratiotis91 3 years ago 3
Thanks For Uploading.^_^
shadowfang7845 3 years ago 2
Thanks for Video!
mograf1 3 years ago 2
thanks, Soviets could build an airframe.
mrcool042 3 years ago