I used to fly .049 airplanes. I probably poisoned myself as a kid with all the exposure to methanol and nitromethane, not to mention hot fuel proof dope and model airplane balsawood glue.
Actually, i have to disagree with the price it takes to get into a nitro RC plane.
I picked up a alpha 40 RTF. added fuel, pump and starter.
total 350$. came with a dx5e and all. that is way under the cost of electric. but on the same note. im building a nitro cox park flyer for all of 30$ including engine and electronics.
actually 30. im using a old RX and bat pack from my other park flyer. servos were 5$ for 2. the engine was 20$. the body is coreflute (free from election signs) and 3$ for hot glue and dowel. total cost 28$
@actionpro100 but most electric models have to be charged from the mains and most power comes from coal fueled power station and those do far more damage to people than these little engines.
sorry ,, ive lost 2 FPV planes .. due to main battery being a wuss hahahaha .. so maybe its time for me to try 4 stroke gas fpv .. like a giant piper cub
Although I'd like to use electric for a very detailed TopFlite Cessna Skylane kit that I'm currently building, NOBODY (at local hobby shops etc.) has been able to recommend a specific motor or a system for my project. I know very little about electric power and everyone I've ever consulted either starts blurting out incomprehensible formulas or admits their complete ignorance in attempting to determine what I need.
At least I understand what a 2-stroke OS .90 will do. :P
The one thing you forgot to mention was the smile factor glow engines have that electric just simply cannot give. You can argue numbers and logic all day long, but in the end, this is a hobby done for the enjoyment of it, and you're going to put more smiles on more faces if you've got a genuine engine on the front.
I mess around with two stroke eight hours at work every day. Don't feel like having an infernal combustion engine on my plane, so fly electric and glider.
I like electric way better, so easy and cheap and I also love the reliability, I had a nitro car once, and I drove it for like 10 minutes for like an hour of trying to get it to work. Not worth it in my opinion!
I'm not sure is electric Eco friendly. Think about it. A tank of fuel will produce some emmitions. But to charge 1 battery you need to burn kilograms of coal in the power stations.
I DONT KNOW WHEN IT WAS BUT MY RTF ALPHA 40 IS NITRO AND IT WAS ONLY LIKE 350 PLUS THE GAS, STARTER, PUMP, GLOW PLUG...100 IT WAS ONLY LIKE 500 IN THE END
Wow, this video is so slick. The rotating razzle dazzle in the background after the lights went out for the glow plug demo....slick! My brother and I used the .049s back in the mid '60s or so. Had a ball with them. But they are messy. I think I can still see a scar or two on my fingers from hand starting these things. They're fast....mess you up. The nitro burns REAL good in those cuts too. Wouldn't have it any other way. This video doesn't mention how good the nitro smells...adds character.
@JetMechMA My father rigged a 0.49 on a plastic toy car with a prop,it ran for a couple of feet,then i tryd to start it and cut my finger too,i was 9years old,around 1975, it stung a lot.
i have an interesting qweston for you. yesterday i whent to the flying club near me for the meating. and ablut half whay thru the president asked if ther are any anounce ments to make? so one gay said that he has a old plain kit that he dosent whant any more so he asked if any one whanted it. i rased my hand and i said i would tack it. so when i got home i looked at the instructuns and thay whear mostly distroyed. so i was woundering if you would know anything about a 1960 live wire pursuit????
i think gas power planes or car are more fun and the last longer and then electric and if the gas runs out you can refill it not like electric that take like 4 hour charge and only last for like 5-10 min
dear dave i am just starting to et into flying and i have nitro plains so i have a fu qwestoins that i dont now what to do. i know how to start the engin but what battery to us, can you tell me the battery you us on the pits. and the nitro full, some say 30% nitro 20% 15% and all that.. that all i have to ask you. if you are woundering why i ask you it becouse you lernd on the gas so you would know what to do. thanks and plz right back.
Sorry Mr Herbert. That is not an antique 1958 Cox Engine. It is ciria 1970 Cox 049 with a Recoil Starter and the Drive worm gear from the Cox Baja Bug.
ok i rlly need help i got a nitro rc buggy ad it has like 2 filter sponges am i supost to oil both or just the one that goes in the back or does it matter if i do both? If so what would be better
having used both, in older past gen types and new gens I can only gas as a dying breed. With electrics running longer, cheaper, and with more power per weight/size/runtime. ALso, 10 cents a flight for a giant 1000 watt power system vs approx $1 per flight with my OS .46 (which is actually less power ultimatly). and of course, no hassle. Also, electrics are still improving at an exponential rate expecially over the last 20 years, while glow really hasnt done much over the same time period.
i had to of those engines that looks like the small gas one you show but they were in bad condition i took the two and tried making on but didnt run i had fuel and glowplug thing but no lunk they were in bad condition like rusted fuel tank and stuff like that but you know thats what happens when you leave them in storage so long : \
I got into this hobby because I though it was a community type group all sharing experiences. What I have learned after 2 years, and reading these comments, gas and nito guys hate electric pilots and too many veterans give newcomers a hard time. What a shame. I'm an electric pilot, and after joining a nitro/gas club last year I realized that egos, arrogance and pride follow the fuel guys. Or maybe its just jealousy that new era pilots have moved in and are flying circles around their cubs.??
One day a power guy claimed that " all models besides his Extra 300/ww2 types are boring. Then later you'll see his only other non gas was annels on it and rudder for control . That's not the same. I cant believe how full of shit you power guys really are.
good little insight to the flying hobby,at least new commer,s can actually see how nitro works,even 40 year old motor,s,a good little how to for most people, cheer,s mate !!!!well done and you took the time to help other,s,something some long time flyer,s just wont do,some of them anyhow,,!!!
lol. are you on crack. ?? stop calling Nitro. Gas. your wrong on the radio/and everything els. you can get into NITRO. plane/radio. everything you need. under $220.00 bucks.
dude, stop calling it Nitro, its METHANOL lol since it can be anywhere from 70% to 95% methanol anyways, but who cares if he wasnt politically correct, i think we get the idea, but next time, I'm just gonna say "fuel"
But all is not well in the SMALL engine world. Neither the VA nor the Norvels are made anymore. However, at least the Norvels can still be found on that EBay site for prices that are still quite reasonable. VAs are harder to get.
Both engines come with proper mufflers and proper throttles. At issue with some of the Norvels is reliable idle and transition but those problems have been solved, as my videos illustrate.
If you want a true idea as to how well ENGINES can perform, check out my videos.
Cox engines dominated small engines, .049 to .15 cubic inches displacement for many, many decades. Power to weight, they were THE best. They were inexpensive to buy and run.
BUT, few had an effective throttle that didn't rob power.
Enter the RUSSIAN made VA engines and the RUSSIAN made Norvel engines. Them Commies were busy designing small engines that blows the doors off of Cox engines.
The RUSSIAN made, VA and Norvel engines use modern technology. But in fact, Norvel does modern technology that not even the Japanese or,,, uh ummm, uh, Chinese can match.
I've converted most of these to diesel operation and have also managed to run a Norvel on Biodiesel. And that's without any oil in the mix. Just an experiment to see if it would run. No guarantee that it would last. That experiment will eventually be done.
The electric bunch are always trying to justify their boring, whiney sounding, charmless E-motors as the way to go for rc flying. the glow / gas guys dont appear to make half the effort to prove their methods are the right way to go.
I like nightflyer an all but this was a totally biased "comparison". pulling out a shitty little COX ENGINE (!!) to show the world the beauties of glow engines.. not gonna wash here. while lovely little things.. they are not a good example of what we can do.
for small park flyers electric is definatly the way to go.. if u just wanna go down to a small park and pop a light, typically foamie aircraft into the air for litterally a few minutes -then electric is the job.
If your like me and love engines anyway, and love flying for a few hours, love the roar of the engines and love the speed and torque and sheer ambience caused by a flying engine thing gas is definatly worth the extra effort of starting, cleaning and maintenence. its not much to pay imo.
You are obviously biased towards electric. Your price comparison was not fair. Depending on what/where you buy, either glow or electric can be cheaper.
I think the smaller the aircraft, electric will be more cost efficient and prob fly better, however, the bigger you get, glow and petrol (gas) engines come into their own. Performance and cost wise. Dont get me wrong, electric will get better and better whereas glow has peaked. But for now...glow still has it's place in rc....
your extra wouldnt last three weeks b4 you crash an burn(it is foam at the end of the day) and it costs $670AU
the best first glow powered plane(eg p-51 pts best plane your money can buy) and you can get about $8 for a day of flying (10 flight maybe more)plus you fligh gas engines for about 15minutes a flight to those new comers electric is not cheap at all the batterys cost about $200 each you will need the charger costs about $150 the motor about $200 ecu 100..
You couldn't have got a new, Cox AIRCRAFT engine to make a FAIR comparison? You found an old Cox car engine that looks like it was dug out of a dumpster? You scrape the corrosion off the top of the piston with a sharp, pointed instrument, and that's it?
You call it a GAS engine? You actually ran this Cox GLOW engine on GASOLINE?
You didn't cover the aspect that an engine needs a throttle? That needs to be adjusted?
Electric,, you didn't cover the fact that LiPos can burn your house down if not very carefully monitored while charging. That LiPos will DIE if you discharge them too far. That LiPos will catch fire if overcharged. That LiPos will catch fire is you cut or break the fragile pouch that contains some nasty chemicals that catch fire spontaneously if exposed to oxygen.
I LOVE the littls Cox engines!!!! They're sorta-what got me into R/C and where I am today with the hobbies........ Oh, and Testors weren't too awfully bad. Just not quite the same.........
is their an electric engine powerfull enough to power larger plane. i have rescued an old electric lightning appears to be too much for my smaller electrics but is cearly not built for nitrojets or anything like that. t heplane has flown before but the old owner (who is getting on a bit) cant remember what he had in it.
Nothing against Nitro...I promise you I'll never choose nitro over electric. The only reason I got into flying is becuase of the advances that have been made on electric planes.
could u please pm me or comment on my channel, im trying to find a storm launcher, the original, but all i can find is the stupid mini's i want the tail rudder, for the altitude control. please answer me, if u have no idea thats cool too
ya, that old .049 sure brings back some memories. It was the very first nitro ngine I flew on a "stealth" line control. Paid 50 bucks for the RTF model, and the engine still runs to this day. 5/5
Flew many an .049 in the late 1960's on control line Cox plastic kits and Sterling balsa models. Moved to R/C in '71 . Pattern, Quickie 500 & helicopters too. Good Fun.
With the way battery and motors are coming on, I wonder how much longer nitro will have any advantages for? Already we have 30 size electric helis which can match a 50 class nitro for power to weight....
thats like comparing a porsche to a a kick scooter... that rossi is a top of the line engine and those batteries are the cheaper ones...and you were comparing small electrics to large nitro... and you only need to run 10% in most engines.....so i disagree and say that electric is a lot more expensive if you compare with the same quality components
I only answered what it costs to get into 1/4 scale, like my PItts, which is what I get asked the most. I also mentioned smaller engines and planes are cheaper. 049 Golden bees run best on 25% nitro, but my Pitts with the Rossi runs only 10%. Still $20 a gallon around here...I grew up on every kind of gas engine made, (see my videos) and you'll know I definitely love gas. Problem is..most kids trying to learn how to fly these days cant find a place due to the noise and, not the expense!
That motor reminds me of the one out of my old Dune Buggy. When the pull starter broke you used a string around the fan pulley. My Buggy also had a muffler/throttle. It cut the air flow so the motor would run slower. More quiet to. First plane was a PT-19, then a Stuka. When the planes all crashed we'd mount the engins on a cedar shingle and make an air-boat. Last year I bought a free flight Cox copter with a .049. Let it go and no one know where it will end up..it does land softly.
Haha. I had one of those free fly copters. It was like counter rotating. Prop goes one way and the motor and blades went the other. LOL. Thanks for the comments.
electric definitely. they are so easy to start, so easy to use, you can reuse the power source, they are cheaper, cleaner, quieter, more reliable... the list goes on and on. I flew a plane with a 4 stroke nitro engine for 2 years. once i got a few electrics though, i realized how much easier they were to use! i always do electrics now
Gas has more power per engine weight vs. electric's cost (from what I've figured it's about 20% the cost over its lifetime), longevity, MUCH less noise (almost quite vs. the incredibly loud), isn't messy, less parts to change, not restricted to secluded areas, and the electrics tend to be more maneuverable per movement space vs. the gas' tendency to be "racers" more than anything.
I got inspired! I pulled my old Tyco Jet Stream down from the attic and decided to fly it. This plane was $230 in 1992 and simply uses 2 small elect. motors to turn with, similar to the Switchblade or the Yellow Bee. I hadn't flown in at least 17 years but it all came back to me.
Kind of apples and oranges? It would be nice to see the same plane run on gas and electric. My guess would be the gas would outperform the electric. Electric motors are lighter but the fuel is heavier. Gas motors are heavier but the fuel is lighter. What are the run times, ease of getting them back in the air. Performance and balance are different as well. I am a fan of gas, can you tell..:)
my dad had -it might have been an .049- balsa string control plane with a little clear rubber bladder tank and it said "Firebaby" on both wings -1960-he let me fly it for a few laps i didnt crash it but almost
whats happened to utube? i can watch the vid or look at comments but not both on the same page and when i save it goes right back to hiding the comments every time
Unless your flying large-scale aircraft or helicopters gas and glow power is not cost-effective. For small to mid-size aircraft (not giant scale or 90-size helicopters) electric power is cheaper (maybe more expensive up-front but much cheaper over time) gives you more power, flies more reliably and often flies longer.
Great vid sir! I really liked how you pointed out the difference in costs. It also seems like electric is a lot less hassle. Since I'm fairly new to RC, electric is all that I've tried. The noise factor is also a big issue, especially in CA, as you well know. Thanks for the comparisons.
It's always a warm feeling to see your videos up, but most of all i like best is how unique each video is. Thanks for your work and taking the time to show us your experience of Rc planes in different perspective. From Rc planes to helicopters and many other great things etc..
i had a gas motor kinda like that ,it was in a all metal body sandrail ,it had no remote control capabilities you would just start it and set the wheels in a direction or tie it to a string in a circle ,i miss that ole motor
What is the fly time difference? This is important I know the bigger the gas tank the further you can fly gas, but can you increase the fly time to equal gas with electric?
That fuel tank would probably give you about 5 minutes of run time. I had a glider (72" wingspan-balsa) that I put an .049 on with a 4 ounce tank & it would run for well over 20 minutes.
Dave has a good point but I think the breakdown was a little unfair to the glow plane. The electric plane you'd be getting with $10-$60 batteries will be a lot smaller than a .60-size Pitts. Don't forget motors and speed controls, etc.
If you were going to build an electric version of a .60-size Pitts you'd probably spend quite a bit more up front than with gas but you'd get more power and responsiveness and lower cost over time, especially if other planes use the same size batteries.
There is always going to be room in our hobby for both gas and electric however I don't feel that you gave gas a fair shot and you weren't exactly comparing oranges to oranges in your price break down. Good video as always I just think you were a little hard the gas guys.
Sorry you feel that way. I don't think I was hard on the gas guys, cause in reality, I am a gas guy. I flew gas for 40 years, long before electric. The early electrics were terrible,...but now, and at my age, electric is amazing and easy. My F-18 with outrunner motor can be flying in less than 10 seconds and climb completely out of sight in slightly more time, so I must say electrics have really improved where it is exciting to fly. LOL. Thanks for the comments.
Great video Dave and as you know i'm an electric man as i like the quick and easy part of it,when you just want a quick flight or two before dinner you just pick which plane to take and off you go,that is if you keep your batt's top up like me ;-) but i would like to try the gas planes one day for sure as i did enjoy my nitro trucks,5*
single cylinder two cycle diesel engines rule !!!
mschiffel1 2 days ago
I love gas but I hate glow there's a big difference
TheKenwiesner 1 week ago
personally i prefer gas XXXXXXXXXXXXX
singlece1000 3 weeks ago
god damn you use alot of gas. 1 gallon last me 40 flights or more with an old k n b 60
peroxidal 3 weeks ago
you need to compare same size planes!!!!!
because you can get the mini beast with the Dx6 for $300.
Your petts is 1400 and you can spend more than 2000 in a electric plane!!!!
In same type of plane size gas is cheaper
ferga2007 1 month ago
I used to fly .049 airplanes. I probably poisoned myself as a kid with all the exposure to methanol and nitromethane, not to mention hot fuel proof dope and model airplane balsawood glue.
rickcain2320 2 months ago
i prefer petrol
blackopskiller351 2 months ago
U WANT GAS? *fart*
there...
super0spore0fan 3 months ago
Actually, i have to disagree with the price it takes to get into a nitro RC plane.
I picked up a alpha 40 RTF. added fuel, pump and starter.
total 350$. came with a dx5e and all. that is way under the cost of electric. but on the same note. im building a nitro cox park flyer for all of 30$ including engine and electronics.
SubDivideInd 3 months ago
@SubDivideInd yeah i bet that you could build an rc plane with a cox engine for under $50
nitroairplane 3 months ago
@nitroairplane
actually 30. im using a old RX and bat pack from my other park flyer. servos were 5$ for 2. the engine was 20$. the body is coreflute (free from election signs) and 3$ for hot glue and dowel. total cost 28$
SubDivideInd 3 months ago
@SubDivideInd Oh well good that i a very nice price.
nitroairplane 3 months ago
can u make me that small fas engine? how much it cost? im an avionics engineer. philippines. find me in facebook. nsioxe@y.c
nakodasioxe 3 months ago
I will choose electric as gas is polluting the air and kill innocent people
actionpro100 4 months ago
@actionpro100 but most electric models have to be charged from the mains and most power comes from coal fueled power station and those do far more damage to people than these little engines.
nitroairplane 3 months ago
@nitroairplane
Um.. what? You do realise that the car you drive to the field produces more pollutants then a days worth of flying with the small o49s
Cheers mate
SS
SubDivideInd 3 months ago
@SubDivideInd Hi shell shock,
i drive cycle to the field :)
lol but i know what you mean.
nitroairplane 3 months ago
@nitroairplane
*face palm* this is why i dont comment XP
that was directed at actionpro100
SS
SubDivideInd 3 months ago
a hybrid rc would ge great
420choky 4 months ago
sorry ,, ive lost 2 FPV planes .. due to main battery being a wuss hahahaha .. so maybe its time for me to try 4 stroke gas fpv .. like a giant piper cub
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Suchart23110 5 months ago
gas seems more worth it than electric...
mustang102100 5 months ago
This truly is an expensive hobby.
dragonbreathstinks 6 months ago
Although I'd like to use electric for a very detailed TopFlite Cessna Skylane kit that I'm currently building, NOBODY (at local hobby shops etc.) has been able to recommend a specific motor or a system for my project. I know very little about electric power and everyone I've ever consulted either starts blurting out incomprehensible formulas or admits their complete ignorance in attempting to determine what I need.
At least I understand what a 2-stroke OS .90 will do. :P
airste172 6 months ago
The one thing you forgot to mention was the smile factor glow engines have that electric just simply cannot give. You can argue numbers and logic all day long, but in the end, this is a hobby done for the enjoyment of it, and you're going to put more smiles on more faces if you've got a genuine engine on the front.
TestECull 6 months ago
Gas
njs97 6 months ago
gas
fairyheli2 7 months ago
electric seems more worth it than gas...
mtndewgecko177 7 months ago
I mess around with two stroke eight hours at work every day. Don't feel like having an infernal combustion engine on my plane, so fly electric and glider.
sablatnic 8 months ago
I like electric way better, so easy and cheap and I also love the reliability, I had a nitro car once, and I drove it for like 10 minutes for like an hour of trying to get it to work. Not worth it in my opinion!
pagani8 8 months ago
I'm not sure is electric Eco friendly. Think about it. A tank of fuel will produce some emmitions. But to charge 1 battery you need to burn kilograms of coal in the power stations.
uuuserunknown 8 months ago
@uuuserunknown Kilograms? calm down there lol
samljer 8 months ago
Electric here, Like the sound
trunksss5 10 months ago
how are those 2 batteries hooked up? thanks
donyboy73 10 months ago
excellent review
Films4You 1 year ago
Great video, very informative :)
frankieflash 1 year ago
i bought a cox engine to run just because i was amazed how small the engine was, electric is just not as fun or neat
stingraystud 1 year ago
i preer uel powered got to love that smell and the noise
mycoxstuff 1 year ago 15
@mycoxstuff specially the old castor oil ones :D I love my Cox's!
ideeman1994 5 months ago
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i think gas is a bit outdated, maybe for giant models its ok
linutas 1 year ago
i think gas is a bit outdated unless for giant models
linutas 1 year ago
I DONT KNOW WHEN IT WAS BUT MY RTF ALPHA 40 IS NITRO AND IT WAS ONLY LIKE 350 PLUS THE GAS, STARTER, PUMP, GLOW PLUG...100 IT WAS ONLY LIKE 500 IN THE END
flyingchimp99 1 year ago
@flyingchimp99
he was talking about large scale aircraft
wowrulz12 9 months ago
I PREFER GAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
flyingchimp99 1 year ago 14
ELATRIC
FSXpilotman 10 months ago
Very interesting videos...
good going
kapilkundra 1 year ago
i think you should compare making an 1/4 scale plane gas powered with something like a .46 or .61 then do it with electric.
nibbler125 1 year ago
hi !! i wanna make a gas powered engine at home ! do u have ne advices on how to make them !! plz reply fast !!
ishaanon 1 year ago
if you still have the cox and you want to sell it here is your guy
robot797 1 year ago
looks like a home made engine, is it?
sKuLLcAndy7017 1 year ago
What's with the fucking music?!!!!!!!
DiarmaidGNR 1 year ago
Wow, this video is so slick. The rotating razzle dazzle in the background after the lights went out for the glow plug demo....slick! My brother and I used the .049s back in the mid '60s or so. Had a ball with them. But they are messy. I think I can still see a scar or two on my fingers from hand starting these things. They're fast....mess you up. The nitro burns REAL good in those cuts too. Wouldn't have it any other way. This video doesn't mention how good the nitro smells...adds character.
JetMechMA 1 year ago
@JetMechMA My father rigged a 0.49 on a plastic toy car with a prop,it ran for a couple of feet,then i tryd to start it and cut my finger too,i was 9years old,around 1975, it stung a lot.
PELINHAS 3 weeks ago
53 years of experience. What a legend!
CarlosMerighe 1 year ago
you don't need a starter i use my hand
spanishairsoftkiller 1 year ago
.049s are cute
baloneyjazz 1 year ago
25 dollars a gallon? fuck off nitro, come in electric!
heberorozco 1 year ago
i have an interesting qweston for you. yesterday i whent to the flying club near me for the meating. and ablut half whay thru the president asked if ther are any anounce ments to make? so one gay said that he has a old plain kit that he dosent whant any more so he asked if any one whanted it. i rased my hand and i said i would tack it. so when i got home i looked at the instructuns and thay whear mostly distroyed. so i was woundering if you would know anything about a 1960 live wire pursuit????
dibloking123 1 year ago
what type of fuel would you suggest for my new cox .049 engine
mitch6250 1 year ago
i think gas power planes or car are more fun and the last longer and then electric and if the gas runs out you can refill it not like electric that take like 4 hour charge and only last for like 5-10 min
MultiDas123 1 year ago
@MultiDas123 you can buy more batteries and, 25 dollars for a gallon? wow, really
heberorozco 1 year ago
Now you can get extremely lightweight video cameras cheap for RC planes to increase their potential.
trailkeeper 1 year ago
cool
1515edd 1 year ago
im geting a golden bee kinda like that so i what to ask you what kind of gas dose it take
MegaHellboy123456789 1 year ago
electric is best for any plane, but I see where it can be used in high speed and large scale RC and free flight aircraft
MRLOL785 1 year ago
dear dave i am just starting to et into flying and i have nitro plains so i have a fu qwestoins that i dont now what to do. i know how to start the engin but what battery to us, can you tell me the battery you us on the pits. and the nitro full, some say 30% nitro 20% 15% and all that.. that all i have to ask you. if you are woundering why i ask you it becouse you lernd on the gas so you would know what to do. thanks and plz right back.
dibloking123 1 year ago
eletrics are cool but you cant be the sound of watch out here i come with gas
heavyDandthehomeboys 1 year ago
So much misinformation! Comparing apples with oranges and oh, the *bad* things you did to that poor Cox Golden-Bee (shudder!).
xjet 1 year ago
thanks mr. herbert
I love cox engines :)
CBMXX 1 year ago
you should sell ore clean the cox engine
me buy
me clean
robot797 1 year ago
elec theyre less valuable, so if they break, so you aren't as sad.
Kpilot786457 1 year ago
Sorry Mr Herbert. That is not an antique 1958 Cox Engine. It is ciria 1970 Cox 049 with a Recoil Starter and the Drive worm gear from the Cox Baja Bug.
rrodror 1 year ago
Trippy fan.
jasongiddensviper478 1 year ago
@jasongiddensviper478 Charles trippy?
SSBlingsA7x 1 year ago
dose anyone know the name of the song?
Californiabros 1 year ago
Hi!
Thanks for the great video!
Could I run a cox .049 engine just like yours on a test stand with a prop on 10% nitro fuel?
Thanks again!
bf2chinesedingdoo 1 year ago
Could I run a cox .049 on a stand with a prop just like yours on 10% nitro fuel?
bf2chinesedingdoo 1 year ago
the seal on your cox engine has been turned 90degre's
i can see the loops that has to go arount the screw
robot797 1 year ago
i got 60v electric engine it wighs about 400grams but it flew out of my hand wen i wired it to a battery
cem719 1 year ago
gas definetly
TheEdh13 1 year ago
i agree.
go with gas. either way you will enjoy flight.
but gas and electric both have same flight time.
with gas, just bring it in for a landing or do a deadstick landing. with electric, PULL THAT CRAP OUTTA THE AIR BEFORE YOU RUIN YOUR BATTERY!
refuel the plane, bring it back up.
with electric, go back home and charge the battery or get another 30-100 dollar battery.
with gas you can fly for over 3 hours. electric, you get one 15-40 minute flight.
GET GAS
(no pun intended)
mrfourtysevenman 1 year ago
ok i rlly need help i got a nitro rc buggy ad it has like 2 filter sponges am i supost to oil both or just the one that goes in the back or does it matter if i do both? If so what would be better
gamereaper89 2 years ago
would u wanna sell that motor for
20 dollars
ianvaldivia1993 2 years ago
How many min do you get per flight
gamereaper89 2 years ago
And yes i agree gas is better then eletric i think. you dont have to worry about waiting for it to charge. just put in the gas and away you go
gamereaper89 2 years ago
@gamereaper89 yeah thats the only reason i like gas too but i only have one gas haah and 5 electric
airsoftfreek69 2 years ago
having used both, in older past gen types and new gens I can only gas as a dying breed. With electrics running longer, cheaper, and with more power per weight/size/runtime. ALso, 10 cents a flight for a giant 1000 watt power system vs approx $1 per flight with my OS .46 (which is actually less power ultimatly). and of course, no hassle. Also, electrics are still improving at an exponential rate expecially over the last 20 years, while glow really hasnt done much over the same time period.
Imprezaman555 2 years ago
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gamereaper89 2 years ago
i had to of those engines that looks like the small gas one you show but they were in bad condition i took the two and tried making on but didnt run i had fuel and glowplug thing but no lunk they were in bad condition like rusted fuel tank and stuff like that but you know thats what happens when you leave them in storage so long : \
conman33311 2 years ago
I got into this hobby because I though it was a community type group all sharing experiences. What I have learned after 2 years, and reading these comments, gas and nito guys hate electric pilots and too many veterans give newcomers a hard time. What a shame. I'm an electric pilot, and after joining a nitro/gas club last year I realized that egos, arrogance and pride follow the fuel guys. Or maybe its just jealousy that new era pilots have moved in and are flying circles around their cubs.??
B4its2L8guy 2 years ago
I would chose Electric
Amanwarring830 2 years ago
dont you just bacicly need a engine with a little start cord,fuel and battery?
halo5549 2 years ago
I've got just a question: do you know where I could get a pull Starter for that kind of engine?
ideeman1994 2 years ago
I'll fly electric once I get a round to it.
scienceguy22 2 years ago
i've got the same engine, a cox .049 golden bee. it's about 20 years old. hoping to rebuild it soon.
madew92 2 years ago
One day a power guy claimed that " all models besides his Extra 300/ww2 types are boring. Then later you'll see his only other non gas was annels on it and rudder for control . That's not the same. I cant believe how full of shit you power guys really are.
learntoflywell 2 years ago
How would you controll this via servo?
popcornreviews 2 years ago
good little insight to the flying hobby,at least new commer,s can actually see how nitro works,even 40 year old motor,s,a good little how to for most people, cheer,s mate !!!!well done and you took the time to help other,s,something some long time flyer,s just wont do,some of them anyhow,,!!!
barnfresh60 2 years ago
lol. are you on crack. ?? stop calling Nitro. Gas. your wrong on the radio/and everything els. you can get into NITRO. plane/radio. everything you need. under $220.00 bucks.
VampeD4 2 years ago
dude, stop calling it Nitro, its METHANOL lol since it can be anywhere from 70% to 95% methanol anyways, but who cares if he wasnt politically correct, i think we get the idea, but next time, I'm just gonna say "fuel"
SilverSkyline92 2 years ago
Search Google video for,
Minisport Diesel and Low Stik Diesel for an idea as to what an ENGINE powered Park Flyer can do.
hopeso 2 years ago
But all is not well in the SMALL engine world. Neither the VA nor the Norvels are made anymore. However, at least the Norvels can still be found on that EBay site for prices that are still quite reasonable. VAs are harder to get.
Both engines come with proper mufflers and proper throttles. At issue with some of the Norvels is reliable idle and transition but those problems have been solved, as my videos illustrate.
hopeso 2 years ago
Guys,
If you want a true idea as to how well ENGINES can perform, check out my videos.
Cox engines dominated small engines, .049 to .15 cubic inches displacement for many, many decades. Power to weight, they were THE best. They were inexpensive to buy and run.
BUT, few had an effective throttle that didn't rob power.
Enter the RUSSIAN made VA engines and the RUSSIAN made Norvel engines. Them Commies were busy designing small engines that blows the doors off of Cox engines.
hopeso 2 years ago
The RUSSIAN made, VA and Norvel engines use modern technology. But in fact, Norvel does modern technology that not even the Japanese or,,, uh ummm, uh, Chinese can match.
I've converted most of these to diesel operation and have also managed to run a Norvel on Biodiesel. And that's without any oil in the mix. Just an experiment to see if it would run. No guarantee that it would last. That experiment will eventually be done.
hopeso 2 years ago
The electric bunch are always trying to justify their boring, whiney sounding, charmless E-motors as the way to go for rc flying. the glow / gas guys dont appear to make half the effort to prove their methods are the right way to go.
I like nightflyer an all but this was a totally biased "comparison". pulling out a shitty little COX ENGINE (!!) to show the world the beauties of glow engines.. not gonna wash here. while lovely little things.. they are not a good example of what we can do.
drunk2thepowerofsick 2 years ago
for small park flyers electric is definatly the way to go.. if u just wanna go down to a small park and pop a light, typically foamie aircraft into the air for litterally a few minutes -then electric is the job.
If your like me and love engines anyway, and love flying for a few hours, love the roar of the engines and love the speed and torque and sheer ambience caused by a flying engine thing gas is definatly worth the extra effort of starting, cleaning and maintenence. its not much to pay imo.
drunk2thepowerofsick 2 years ago
drunk-- youre exaclty what I talk about..thanks for veryfying my point. I don't fly electric btw.
learntoflywell 2 years ago
electric... what else to say... i dont like gas nice vid tho 5/5
wiidaniel0 2 years ago
You are obviously biased towards electric. Your price comparison was not fair. Depending on what/where you buy, either glow or electric can be cheaper.
I think the smaller the aircraft, electric will be more cost efficient and prob fly better, however, the bigger you get, glow and petrol (gas) engines come into their own. Performance and cost wise. Dont get me wrong, electric will get better and better whereas glow has peaked. But for now...glow still has it's place in rc....
workers99 2 years ago
i choose electric :P (for now)
rcwilli1991 2 years ago
same with me
hermitcrabstuff34 2 years ago
your extra wouldnt last three weeks b4 you crash an burn(it is foam at the end of the day) and it costs $670AU
the best first glow powered plane(eg p-51 pts best plane your money can buy) and you can get about $8 for a day of flying (10 flight maybe more)plus you fligh gas engines for about 15minutes a flight to those new comers electric is not cheap at all the batterys cost about $200 each you will need the charger costs about $150 the motor about $200 ecu 100..
anthony100000000 2 years ago
glow...
electric if you can afford it
anthony100000000 2 years ago
And, the Sukhoi, while a marvelous machine, is NOT very easy to fly.
You imply by that, that it could be a trainer?
It's a high performance aerobatic aircraft that needs skilled hands to fly.
And by the way,,, a motor is not an engine. Calling the Cox engine a motor just grates.
Yeah, I know,, General Motors. No wonder they're going belly up.
And you got dumb lucky that you didn't short out the glow driver battery by using alligator clips that way.
donlemedwn 2 years ago
Good friggen grief. A few points.
You couldn't have got a new, Cox AIRCRAFT engine to make a FAIR comparison? You found an old Cox car engine that looks like it was dug out of a dumpster? You scrape the corrosion off the top of the piston with a sharp, pointed instrument, and that's it?
You call it a GAS engine? You actually ran this Cox GLOW engine on GASOLINE?
You didn't cover the aspect that an engine needs a throttle? That needs to be adjusted?
donlemedwn 2 years ago
Electric,, you didn't cover the fact that LiPos can burn your house down if not very carefully monitored while charging. That LiPos will DIE if you discharge them too far. That LiPos will catch fire if overcharged. That LiPos will catch fire is you cut or break the fragile pouch that contains some nasty chemicals that catch fire spontaneously if exposed to oxygen.
Glow is FAR safer AND cheaper to run.
donlemedwn 2 years ago
u said it !
drunk2thepowerofsick 2 years ago
I LOVE the littls Cox engines!!!! They're sorta-what got me into R/C and where I am today with the hobbies........ Oh, and Testors weren't too awfully bad. Just not quite the same.........
CBum425 2 years ago
is their an electric engine powerfull enough to power larger plane. i have rescued an old electric lightning appears to be too much for my smaller electrics but is cearly not built for nitrojets or anything like that. t heplane has flown before but the old owner (who is getting on a bit) cant remember what he had in it.
squirtrocks123 2 years ago
will any one tell me how to fly 3d and inverted on a heli
spikedad11 2 years ago
Get a good sim for your computer thats how I did it.
Mostlyfun 2 years ago
Ahhhhhh,,,, The memories of playing with one of those when i was young !!!! still got it... now im gonna have to try and get it running ! lol
Thanks Dave, Entertaining as always.
Silverlyx 2 years ago
I have a small cox model engine from somewhere 0.49, I think, nice vid!
TraxxasRCFreak 2 years ago
agreed. always be happy with what we fly with :)
kapitanC 2 years ago
Nothing against Nitro...I promise you I'll never choose nitro over electric. The only reason I got into flying is becuase of the advances that have been made on electric planes.
will3kgt 2 years ago
could u please pm me or comment on my channel, im trying to find a storm launcher, the original, but all i can find is the stupid mini's i want the tail rudder, for the altitude control. please answer me, if u have no idea thats cool too
Harleysville21 2 years ago
i think your bbeing a little hard on nitro
i have a hanger 9 alpha 40 that came with a dx5e for 300
and i got the igniter fo
15
and pump for 25
and nitro for 20
and no electric starter (dont need it just nice to have it)
so $355!!
skateer25 2 years ago
the best pitts!!!!
very nice!
skateer25 2 years ago
ya, that old .049 sure brings back some memories. It was the very first nitro ngine I flew on a "stealth" line control. Paid 50 bucks for the RTF model, and the engine still runs to this day. 5/5
ssrc30 2 years ago
i love your video,s
im now fighting with a secondhand heli called
gtoys 51 pro series i thought it was a breeze
man was i wrong lol anyway will look in all your vids ,greetings there
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rideyz3 2 years ago
dave you probaly don't remember me but watchin your vids made me want a honey bee. and i got one. i can trust u. thnx :)
rc18trocks 2 years ago
brushless and lipo all the way.
giantdavid89 2 years ago
Nice video. Cox engines do run great.
Flew many an .049 in the late 1960's on control line Cox plastic kits and Sterling balsa models. Moved to R/C in '71 . Pattern, Quickie 500 & helicopters too. Good Fun.
"Keep 'em Flying"
gwheyduke 2 years ago
With the way battery and motors are coming on, I wonder how much longer nitro will have any advantages for? Already we have 30 size electric helis which can match a 50 class nitro for power to weight....
jboweruk 2 years ago
thanks for ur reply
i was wondering if u remember the name of an electric plane (toy) from the early 70's with a notched disc for "controlling" the flight
not rc
llib90630 2 years ago
thats like comparing a porsche to a a kick scooter... that rossi is a top of the line engine and those batteries are the cheaper ones...and you were comparing small electrics to large nitro... and you only need to run 10% in most engines.....so i disagree and say that electric is a lot more expensive if you compare with the same quality components
fspacerc1 2 years ago
I only answered what it costs to get into 1/4 scale, like my PItts, which is what I get asked the most. I also mentioned smaller engines and planes are cheaper. 049 Golden bees run best on 25% nitro, but my Pitts with the Rossi runs only 10%. Still $20 a gallon around here...I grew up on every kind of gas engine made, (see my videos) and you'll know I definitely love gas. Problem is..most kids trying to learn how to fly these days cant find a place due to the noise and, not the expense!
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
I am an old gas guy as well but I am finding myself leaving the house with electrics more than my gas stuff .
Mostlyfun 2 years ago
Thanks. There is definitely an advantage in clean! I had fuel all over my hands and the camera after making this video. LOL.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
@Mostlyfun wanna sell the gas?
robot797 1 year ago
@robot797 Ive been in the hobby for 25 years and have never sold anything, I built a 3000 square foot garage/shop just to keep it.
Keep looking lots of guys are selling all kinds of stuff.
Craigs list and Kijiji are where I find some nice old stuff.
Mostlyfun 1 year ago
cool vid
nice history and info
llib90630 2 years ago
Thanks kindly.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
what do you do for a living to afford $25 gas?
UnkinglyLike 2 years ago
I work very hard.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
haha, Iee how it'll be then, you have an awesome collection there I must say =)
UnkinglyLike 2 years ago
That motor reminds me of the one out of my old Dune Buggy. When the pull starter broke you used a string around the fan pulley. My Buggy also had a muffler/throttle. It cut the air flow so the motor would run slower. More quiet to. First plane was a PT-19, then a Stuka. When the planes all crashed we'd mount the engins on a cedar shingle and make an air-boat. Last year I bought a free flight Cox copter with a .049. Let it go and no one know where it will end up..it does land softly.
robjinhouston 2 years ago
Haha. I had one of those free fly copters. It was like counter rotating. Prop goes one way and the motor and blades went the other. LOL. Thanks for the comments.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
loved this vodeo.. thanks
adilabbas2005 2 years ago
great video Dave, I will always fly the easy way since I'm not very handy...Still haven't fixed my Firebird..AHHHHH...
Delaypat 2 years ago
Thanks Dave. Good video. Do you know of any foam planes that run a Nitro engine?
hbk2flyer 2 years ago
Thanks. My Big Pitts is all foam.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
electric definitely. they are so easy to start, so easy to use, you can reuse the power source, they are cheaper, cleaner, quieter, more reliable... the list goes on and on. I flew a plane with a 4 stroke nitro engine for 2 years. once i got a few electrics though, i realized how much easier they were to use! i always do electrics now
horizonflyer9 2 years ago
dam that plane was expensive
shaw9825 2 years ago
Electric. Always.
Looking at their strengths in comparison:
Gas has more power per engine weight vs. electric's cost (from what I've figured it's about 20% the cost over its lifetime), longevity, MUCH less noise (almost quite vs. the incredibly loud), isn't messy, less parts to change, not restricted to secluded areas, and the electrics tend to be more maneuverable per movement space vs. the gas' tendency to be "racers" more than anything.
Unless you just want speed:GO ELECTRIC. EOS
Truthiness231 2 years ago
i want a cox
gaarasama0609 2 years ago
I had a cox td10.with 25% nitro it would run at about 30.000 + rpm oh what a sound.?{*_"}
spektrum33 2 years ago
I got inspired! I pulled my old Tyco Jet Stream down from the attic and decided to fly it. This plane was $230 in 1992 and simply uses 2 small elect. motors to turn with, similar to the Switchblade or the Yellow Bee. I hadn't flown in at least 17 years but it all came back to me.
taofledermaus 2 years ago
Kind of apples and oranges? It would be nice to see the same plane run on gas and electric. My guess would be the gas would outperform the electric. Electric motors are lighter but the fuel is heavier. Gas motors are heavier but the fuel is lighter. What are the run times, ease of getting them back in the air. Performance and balance are different as well. I am a fan of gas, can you tell..:)
geekfish 2 years ago 3
my dad had -it might have been an .049- balsa string control plane with a little clear rubber bladder tank and it said "Firebaby" on both wings -1960-he let me fly it for a few laps i didnt crash it but almost
pudd750 2 years ago
whats happened to utube? i can watch the vid or look at comments but not both on the same page and when i save it goes right back to hiding the comments every time
pudd750 2 years ago
gas all the way electric stinks
c0p555 2 years ago
Unless your flying large-scale aircraft or helicopters gas and glow power is not cost-effective. For small to mid-size aircraft (not giant scale or 90-size helicopters) electric power is cheaper (maybe more expensive up-front but much cheaper over time) gives you more power, flies more reliably and often flies longer.
DarkWombat77 2 years ago
nice one dave!
jaymillwall 2 years ago
Great vid sir! I really liked how you pointed out the difference in costs. It also seems like electric is a lot less hassle. Since I'm fairly new to RC, electric is all that I've tried. The noise factor is also a big issue, especially in CA, as you well know. Thanks for the comparisons.
SoCalsandman780 2 years ago
dave do u know anything about rcnitro
SAHOTA996 2 years ago
Hi Dave !
I just want to say i love your work =)
It's always a warm feeling to see your videos up, but most of all i like best is how unique each video is. Thanks for your work and taking the time to show us your experience of Rc planes in different perspective. From Rc planes to helicopters and many other great things etc..
We salute u Mr Herbert aka Dave =)
Cheers !!
aurora2k 2 years ago 2
i had a gas motor kinda like that ,it was in a all metal body sandrail ,it had no remote control capabilities you would just start it and set the wheels in a direction or tie it to a string in a circle ,i miss that ole motor
ronaldsmusicfactory 2 years ago
What is the fly time difference? This is important I know the bigger the gas tank the further you can fly gas, but can you increase the fly time to equal gas with electric?
truckeejp 2 years ago
That fuel tank would probably give you about 5 minutes of run time. I had a glider (72" wingspan-balsa) that I put an .049 on with a 4 ounce tank & it would run for well over 20 minutes.
taofledermaus 2 years ago
I usually never fly a flight over 10 minutes. Bigger tanks and bigger battery MAH will give longer flight times.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
wow Mr. Dave U have Alot of planes!!!! i hope i have one lol
lowIQ04 2 years ago
what a great video gave me a little education on engines & costs. thanks for posting
leezaal 2 years ago
Dave has a good point but I think the breakdown was a little unfair to the glow plane. The electric plane you'd be getting with $10-$60 batteries will be a lot smaller than a .60-size Pitts. Don't forget motors and speed controls, etc.
If you were going to build an electric version of a .60-size Pitts you'd probably spend quite a bit more up front than with gas but you'd get more power and responsiveness and lower cost over time, especially if other planes use the same size batteries.
DarkWombat77 2 years ago
Unfair. I ran both. This is simply reality.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
There is always going to be room in our hobby for both gas and electric however I don't feel that you gave gas a fair shot and you weren't exactly comparing oranges to oranges in your price break down. Good video as always I just think you were a little hard the gas guys.
Hewey19 2 years ago
Sorry you feel that way. I don't think I was hard on the gas guys, cause in reality, I am a gas guy. I flew gas for 40 years, long before electric. The early electrics were terrible,...but now, and at my age, electric is amazing and easy. My F-18 with outrunner motor can be flying in less than 10 seconds and climb completely out of sight in slightly more time, so I must say electrics have really improved where it is exciting to fly. LOL. Thanks for the comments.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
Great video Dave and as you know i'm an electric man as i like the quick and easy part of it,when you just want a quick flight or two before dinner you just pick which plane to take and off you go,that is if you keep your batt's top up like me ;-) but i would like to try the gas planes one day for sure as i did enjoy my nitro trucks,5*
startazz 2 years ago