The thing about communism is that it CAN'T be an organized and structured group. Any system where some people have power over other people (ie: holding office or joining a certain group) is guaranteed to oppress the people who aren't in that group.
In a way, ideal communism is essencially anarchy. Joining a party to show your support is what Republicans do, they need to feel "better" then everyone else, which goes against communism's ideals.
Wrong, unless you're referring only to primitive communism.
Vanguardism can and does work and is the mainstay for any political movement. Popular movements on the other hand while very effective at opposing something, can do little in favor of something. Popular movements can be against, but not for.
But didn't Marx himself say something along the line of "I am not a Marxist". Meaning that even himself, the FOUNDER of communism, can't uphold the ideals of communism. Sadly, communism calls for universal selfless cooperation, something which humans are incapable of.
As great a perfect utopia communism is, sadly it can't be obtained as humans are naturally greedy and incapable of pure equality.
First, communism never claims to be a utopia. It claims to be a system where workers own the means of production, and where human need trumps profit. It also does not call for selfless cooperation.
Marx believed that popular uprising would eventually achieve communism, sort of spontaneously; that conditions would get so bad that it would just happen. Later, his work was refined by others that saw vanguardism as a more reliable and realistic method.
The CPUSA is reformist and no longer revolutionary. The fall of Stalinism must have made a huge blow to the party. Like many Stalinist parties, the end of the USSR came as a complete shock.
Many communists lost their ideals and surrendered to the capitalists and their lies. The CPUSA is indeed reformist and not communist. Since 1927 Stalinism was dominating the party, all who opposed Stalin were removed.
The party was a tool of the Moscow bureaucracy. Now it is a tool of the Democrats.
I wouldn't say the fall of stalinism, rather the abandonment of the USSR is what ended the CP when funding stopped. They got funding all the way up to 1991, long after hardline Stalinist ideals were abandoned.
The CP used to be highly effective, but when the funding went, so did the regulation and standards. Now a small group of people run it unchecked and the party gets almost all of its money from rental property in NY.
Yes, take the word of the people that have the most to lose from communism. Great policy.
Maybe we should let death row inmates go because they say so, or hell just do away with court systems altogether; if someone is filing a legal complaint we can just listen to them and don't need to analyze their claims at all.
@malignantpoodle Oh right, Communists never committed mass genocide. Stalin, Mao were both saints. Gee, all those Russians I talked to after the wall came down didn't have much good to say about Communism but I guess they read the wrong history books too. Gee, I wonder why Communist countries have always been evil dictatorships who oppress, starve, torture and murder their own citizens.
And yet the advent and use of nuclear weapons, embargo starvation, trading with the enemy act, proliferation of biological and chemical weapons, imperalism, Belgians on the Congo, genocide in Sudan, Albania, etc. The border country of Mexico about to blow up. Your government building and helping the TALIBAN and ALQUEDA during the 80s, with 1.2 billion dead under imperialist capitalism?
@malignantpoodle Nice commie propaganda. The truth is communism is responsible for millions upon millions of deaths. It is an oppressive, brutal ideology that completely fails every time it is implemented. Your buddy Castro had to come out and finally admit it doesn't work. I'll take Capitalism any day. Its why I was able to achieve and become successful. Commies never become anything other than economic slaves and government drones.
Do yourself a favor. Either google or wiki the terms, List of Genocides.
You'll see that over 90% of them are in capitalist countries or at the hands of capitalist imperialists abroad.
It doesn't add up that you're talking about people not reading and then citing the choice of capitalism whilst giving an example of the biggest blemish on the capitalist record.
I'm guessing you don't read much, you know, the whole Occam's Razor thing :)
@malignantpoodle Oh please, Commie! Capitalism is not to blame for genocides, you ignorant n00b! Capitalism allows people to have a stake in their own futures, fosters innovation and entrepreneurship, encourages hard work and personal responsibility. Communism destroys all this. There is no incentive with communism, unless its at the point of a gun. You cannot be serious with your ignorance of history. The bloodiest and most tyrannical regimes of the past century were Communist!
@malignantpoodle Well, if that is what your comrade pinkos tell you I won't try and change your mind. History proves I am right. Capitalism builds nations, Communism tears them down. Just amazing how blind you are to history. I wish I could send you to live in Cuba or North Korea.
@malignantpoodle Oh ok, I'll just listen to the Politburo. I know how trustworthy they are. Stalin never existed, nor did Mao. The USSR was a benevolent country who had the welfare of its citizens first and foremost. There were no long lines for food. Everyone was happy. And they never tried to shoot you if you chose to emigrate elsewhere.
Know, I'm saying to look at western sources with regard to genocides, which you refuse to acknowledge. You can wiki or google "list of genocides" and see a complete history.
Sorry, but Mao and Stalin together cannot even come close to the over 1.2 billion killed under capitalist and imperialist regimes. The information is out there. That you refuse to look at it doesn't make it go away.
@DeathToLiberalism if you ever read a fucking history book, i think you'll find that facism isn't that well looked upon today either you right-wing little bitch.
@buroosh I'm not a fascist, dumbass. Communism and Fascism are not that different. Both are oppressive and end up killing millions. Jeezus you're stupid.
Problem with CPUSA . . . ah, that they are communists/marxists?
". . . completely ignoring my escalating queries while I was a member has resulted in me taking my views to the public." Yep, sounds like the "enlightened" "peoples" party to me.
You give them too much credit. They have 318 members. There are much larger parties, none of which have a favorable opinion of the CPUSA. Personifying the CP as the representative of Marxism to underscore some subtle point you're trying to make is failed because almost nobody on the left respects them to begin with :/
Just wondering, are you a communist? I see all the pros of Communism and I see the cons. I agree with you about voting locally and not just voting for the Democrats. I value Conservative Ideals, Marxist Ideals, and Liberal Ideals. I'm not a member of the party because I'm loyal to the Nation - not a single political party.
Tell it like it is comrade! I've also heard the CPUSA disavows as a means to socialist transition the armed proletarian uprising and seizure of State Power. CPUSA is a degenerate Menshevik party and no use to socialists. The logic of your statements is irrefutable. We need a Party based on Marxism pure and simple.
The CPUSA are nothing but revisionist mensheviks. No realistic communist/socialist or student of dialectical materialism in their right mind would think we could bring socialism by voting for the bourgeois Democrat Party. Mensheviks! A waste of time for the class conscious proletarian. The Bourgeois Dictatorship will never hand over State Power to the people because we vote them out.
Well, we can do it your way and simply debate each other and all other left wing parties or we can go out and make a change and a difference to working people. Because this is about working people, not about us.
Communism also means a self governing society, take away leaders, government & laws & there would be anarchy. Can't rely on the communist party, political parties never reflect the best interests of the people. In a 1 party system the party should be under the the dictators full control, need law & order. Marxism is the closest you're going to get, a leader should serve the people not parties & bureacrats. Organized politics & religions are for ningcompoops !
I get what you mean. I find it disappointing that there aren't very many choices to actually vote for communists or socialist candidates. I voted for Obama but won't be fooled again. Obama is the new, not so improved version of Bush.
Well, there aren't many parties that support voting capitalists out as a way to communism, and those that do have thin ranks.
Change doesn't come top down. It never has. It comes from the bottom up. People that want to vote in the right candidate or get the right supreme court justices in place aren't what I'd call, "educated" when it comes to Marxist ideology.
I don't think anyone would disagree that that's what they say they're doing.
But what next? Vote republican to keep the nationalists out? Come on.
No meaningful change ever comes from the top. It doesn't come from electing the right people or getting the right supreme court justice in place. Meaningful, real change always starts bottom up. If you think voting democrat is the "Raod to Socialism", then have at it. Not for me though.
I agree mate. Americas socialist/communist parties are a joke and are really just ways to exploit those who really want to do good with your nation (the real communists) while the fake communists try to run them.All the real communists that i know of are not part of any communist or socialist party due to the fact that those parties are not capable of truly doing what the communist ideology is supposed to bring, Its also laughable that the communist parties there make you pay to join...fail.
@Alkarin11 I agree with you 100%, since when has real communism ever been achieved by the communist party? NEVER ! I believe in the Marxist ideology but I would never join any communist party or any political party. Organized politics & religion are for losers. Communist parties are never on track with Karl Marx & always seem to lean towards fascism & bureacracy & a monstrosity. Example : Lenin & the Bolsheviks ! That was the main reason why the 1917 Russian socialist experiment failed.
@Alkarin11 Yes it is laughable & hypocritical that the communist party would charge "money" for membership. I thought communists are against capitalism. Where does all the money from the CPUSA go into the deep pockets of Sam Webb? He probably drives a Rolls Royce & lives in a mansion throwing darts at a dartboard with Karl Marx's face on it. He's making money off Karl Marx the same way Pastors & Evangelists cash in on God & Jesus.
This is exactly why I haven't joined and won't join CPUSA, unless they change their tactics for achieving communism in the U.S. You can never achieve communism in the U.S. by voting and working with the current political system.
Not in full. I think many have great ideas and programs, so do some western democracies. Cuba's healthcare system is good, as is Canada's when compared to the US. Vietnam has excellent agriculture subsidies, and then there is of course Western Europe which is not socialist by name but employs many socialist policies successfully.
My personal alignment does not neatly reflect any current model however.
Just looked up many Soviet inventions, yeah, they had some, and like the warring, conquesting government they had, their inventions weren't all that exportable or profitable or really anything but for use in warfare. Anyway, you still on the internet? Still using American made technology to advocate your idea of communism? So basically if you work a dead-end job, everyone else in the world should have to as well so that your emotions never experience any saddening? Is that the CPUSA's goal?
What fantastic reasoning you have there. Because I use the internet I should submit to American idealism, an authoritarian nation that locks up more of its people than the USSR ever did?
Gee, I hope you don't break any bones, because if you get treated for a compound fracture, I guess that means you're a communist.
"Oh, I don't defend the Soviet model, or Chinese model, or basically any model of any country that has insofar practiced Communism. Communism's just a great idea in my head and with insults and links to propagandist literature I will prove to you that you cannot argue against [my idea of[ communism." That's what you've said, right? And that you blocked me so I couldn't argue with you? Pussy. Fuck the CPUSA and fuck American-born communists, they don't deserve to be in this country.
I blocked you because you moderated your channel for the purpose of suppressing opinions. I explained that to you in the private message, with a link to my video made almost a year ago outlining this one simple rule; if you block or censor comments on your channel, you are restricted from posting here. Now you are using a sock puppet account.
Heck, if you're so sure of your backwards views, go to the neighborhoods in NY like Little Ukraine and tell all those immigrants that they're in the wrong country, that the Soviet world they came from is the really free one and that this place is just horrible. See how many people you get diverted to your "cause." It's cute too how American communists only find allies in egotistical college students, wealthy teenagers and young people, and super-leftists. That's not coincidence.
I don't know where you keep getting that I support or believe in the Soviet model. You do realize there are competing views right? Or is your world just all that black and white. Sure, and I bet all Christians agree with one another, all Republicans love GW Bush, and all democrats believe in filibustering.
So here you are, in Russia, on a Russian-made PC, using electricity that was discovered in Russia, using an online site developed in Russia, to talk about communism. Oh wait, you're in the US, on a US-made computer, talking about Soviet scientific advancements without naming them, to bash the country that houses you. There is a word for that, when a child argues with its parents and throws a tantrum: brat.
Do you have any idea how many books are written about Soviet inventions? Google it. There are dozens. You want me to name one invention? Reflectron, ANS synthesizers, pressure suits, oh wait! Our pilots and astronauts use pressure suits. Does this mean they're taking it for granted, because they don't support the Soviet Union?
ha, what is the deal with leftists and liberals and punks in general that when you disagree with them they debase your argument into 1 of 4 possible emotions? Why is it I'm so fearful of what you know about my "stupid little world?" Yeah, alright dude. I said I wasn't going to argue with you, so you say I'm scared. Okay. How much more time do I have to waste now, for daring to argue against a softy bitch commie who lives in a country better than most others without deserving to?
Basically all you've told me is that regardless of fact or history or what many Russians themselves say, you are siding with communism, while in the protection of a capitalist, wealthy, developed society. Do I got it right? You won't listen to immigrants, statistics, and history, but still want to talk about ideals. Okay. Those damn evil right wingers, trying to allow people to move up in the world and get rich, how dare they!
Hi, i think what u say is true - the democrats are the lesser of 2 evils. Im a british communist, and am wondering which Organisation / Party are u a member of? If you're interested im a member of a global group called the International Marxist Tendency. But i like to keep in contact and talk to other communists as wel.
The CPUSA like all other communist parties tied to Moscow was just a tool for Soviet foreign policy. The CPUSA would instruct its members to vote for whoever was least likely to harm Soviet interests. My guess is they are still doing this out of habit, because there is really nothing else for them to do; they have no reason to exist.
Actually I gotta say that Obama has been critisized for being a communist himself. We (as communists) know that isnt true however i have noticed alot of idealogical politics comming from him. He actually is for the working partys, and middle class people. I know that their isnt much of a gap between the two parties, but I actually agree with CPUSA's politics. But I ALSO agree that its not going to be established by voting democrat and if I was going to do that, I would join the DP.
i'm glad to see that you've obviously read "what is to be done?" by Lenin (in my opinion, too many marxists today are quick to ignore his and trotsky's enormous contributions to marxism).
im 14 ive never read either lenin or trotsky i am a member bbut i think i understand what they contributed. vanguard and constant revolution, but thats a pretty watered down summary. idk, but i am 14, so i have plenty of tie to catch up. but in all of this i am NOT ignorant towards my heros, even if i havnt read a page of what is to be done
because i dont subscribe to any belief system, i look at facts and problems in society and then make up my own mind, i agree with the quotes ive seen from lenin, and trotsky, but i have my own beliefs, i happen to agree with marx and engels. (i have read the manifesto and am reading das kapital, i want to get around to fuerbach) i want to read about the bases of this ideology and see if i agree with them(and i do) and then learn more about who i like and who i dont within it.
Actually, the CPUSA was never "allowed" to exist. It's still technically illegal to participate in a communist political party within the US. They don't enforce the law on this anymore, but it's still illegal.
In regard to that which they wish to take away... like what? They support the current system, advocate reform, and are revisionist in nature. They play ball with the existing system and advocate the democrats. What exactly are they trying to take away?
Advancements in the Soviet Union were just as common, and sometimes more profound, as the capitalist counterparts. The competition = advancement ideology has been thoroughly disproved.
Right, sure it has. So all the equipment that American companies got back from Soviet business ventures that were missing screws and equipment because in the USSR getting new equipment was an impossible, bureaucratic task, that all doesn't matter. Why don't you advocate your communist ideology to immigrants leaving communist countries? There's a reason why there aren't tons of Americans flocking to live in Russia, however I'm sure you'll cite some vague propaganda. Bitch.
Perhaps because I don't stand by any nation as an example of communist ideology.
But you can just ignore that, and talk about your "land of the free" that locks up a higher percentage of its population than China, Russia, or even North Korea.
"I don't stand by any nation as an example of communist ideology. " Well okay, if you can reason that far, the next step in reasoning would be that it was communism itself that usually fucked these nations up. Tell me how many of their own people did Stalin, Mao and others kill? As for the place you mockingly called "the land of the free," I would prefer this sort of freedom, where it hasn't specifically been made impossible for me to move up in the world. You're just too dumb to see opportunity
It's funny, you're sitting here defending a country that is heavily dependent upon incarceration (more than ANY other country) to keep people in line, and talk about freedom in the same sentence.
Anyway, Fidel, I gotta go, keep up the fight against the very system that has enabled you to post ittle bitty video blogs about your communist, divisive, robbing, backwards Euro-views. Oh, and fuck your family for having you.
You are quite possibly the most bigoted, ignorant, and belligerent person I've ever talked to on here, and that's a lot of people.
Congrats on being the best at something. Now let's just hope you don't end up a statistic in your country's massive prison systems. If it's one thing Americans do well, it's keeping people on lock down and suppressing opinions. You fit right in.
Contributions to medicine, agriculture, aerospace, architecture, botany... the list goes on. You're referring to a stupid list passed around in chain hoax emails. The Soviet Union contributed to scientific advancement as much or more than America has. It's undeniable. And no, I'm not talking about lightbulbs, the internet, or cars.
"You're referring to a stupid list passed around in chain hoax emails." I have no idea what you're talking about. "The Soviet Union contributed to scientific advancement as much or more than America has" Prove it, dude. Name 1 invention other than the Kalashnikov that the Soviet Union exported. "Anything else you want to lie about? " The only one lying here is you, to yourself. "You've not addressed any issues" Okay, let me know about the immigration rates, Russia's life expectancy, and more.
You obviously know exactly what I'm talking about because you put the list out almost verbatim. So not only are you intellectually dishonest, but you have this habit of moving the goal posts. As soon as you get pinned down on something, you change the subject.
You're trying to build a strawman to argue against Soviet scientific advancements by asking about export commodities? Entirely separate issues.
"You obviously know exactly what I'm talking about because you put the list out almost verbatim."
Not really, again, I wrote that list myself last night, because those were mostly inventions made in the US and certainly all inventions not made in any communist country. So, you got a swimsuit and some meters. Wow, you're amazing. Let's go communist now, we can all have suits and that way we're all equal. Anyway, when will you start telling immigrants that their countries weren't REALLY commy?
I've always held that position. There have never been any truly communist countries. You do realize that achieving communism means the end of organized government right? That has never happened, not even close.
"So not only are you intellectually dishonest, but you have this habit of moving the goal posts."
"You're trying to build a strawman to argue against Soviet scientific advancements by asking about export commodities? Entirely separate issues."
Sure I'm building a "strawman," but yeah, their "inventions" (the two you've named) weren't nearly as important as other inventions by non-communists, and then you say I'm changing the subject because I talk about exporting. So why do you live here?
Hello, I can see that you are shocked and confused about the politics the CPUSA is embracing. But all this can be explained: It is not a "Communist" Party, is a Stalinist party, a National-Opportunist party that serves to the ruling class trough confusing or opposing any working-class action.
I suggest you to visit the World Socialist Web Site for more answers
I leave you with the real Communist/Socialist party in your country:
I think if leftists really want change, they do need to bring it about via the Democratic Party, simply because of how this country works. Its not like the democrats would shun you for your liberalism. Take Dennis Kucinich for instance, he's not much different than social democrats of Nordic countries, but he calls himself a democrat and is respected as one. Ron Paul is basically the embodiment of the libertarian party, and he was runner up for the republican ticket.
This is true. I'm a socialist I really thought the only candidate that would bring fairness was kucinich. Obama swings to the right the democrats are lier's
Obama does swing to the right. He wants to cut taxes, albeit on the middle class, while still spending billions of dollars on "national defense." Basically he wants to buy protection on credit, so that I will have to pay for it when I want to retire. With that said, McCain is a short-fused hothead who wouldn't hesitate to blow up Iran, so i am voting Obama.
For the record, I am not a socialist or communist, or extreme leftist. Not much more than a center-leftist.
I'm just not a big fan of war in any sense. Unfortunately I live in America where we spend ten times the amount of any other nation on giant killing machines.
Well by international standards, Obama is a center-right politician. McCain would probably just be a moderate right. But in all honesty the left/right scale is completely meaningless. Attempting to judge all political actions on one left right axis is incredibly flawed.
Thank you for totally repudiating the piece-meal reform approach that is nothing more than petty-bourgeois philistinism. the interests of the working-class is by definition, diametrically opposite to electoral bourgeois politics. Scratch a CPUSA member and you'll find a national chauvinist, or a flabby individual removed from the international scope of the labor movement.
I used to be against the Democrats, but I now think there is a moral argument for supporting the Democrats. The last 8 years have undoubtedly hurt the most vulnerable among us the most (Iraqis, Africans w/ AIDS, low income Americans, etc.) The consequences of sitting on the sideline or supporting a third party could have disastrous consequences for the least well off, while affecting myself minimally. I think the CPUSA is simply being pragmatic in its new strategy.
I've said many times on this thread, and in these videos, that I can understand supporting the democrats as the lesser of two evils.
The CPUSA however has an outlined plan that communism will be achieved through the democrats, and not only that, but the democrat party is REQUIRED for communism?
and this is the legendary party that was supposedly being funded by the kremilin in the 60s? wow. moscow should find 'em some new errand boys or something if they really are that ignorant of national and doctrinal politics as you say they are.
Well, they lost funding in 91, and didn't answer to the Soviets anymore. So instead of being a link in the chain, party leadership is now the top dog where CPUSA is concerned and they do as they please whether consistent with Marxist philosophy or not.
You know jack shit about the whole thing but want to talk about it?
With the racist images in your profile, I have to block you. I don't mind debate or disagreement and this is the first time I've ever censored anyone, but I don't tolerate racists.
Also Malignant, I would like to say that I agree with what you said in the video. I admire that you went to the Party with your thoughts and opinions, many people have been expelled for that sort of thing. I was just giving you my reasons for staying.
And believe me, I'm not one to jump ship at the first sign of trouble. However, when democracy is no longer practiced, and one has no voice unless it is in support of party leadership, I draw the line.
The decision to follow the democrats was not arrived at through democratic centralism. It was conceived, passed, and put into party policy almost wholly by Sam Webb. But the bigger issue is that the current exodus of members is a result of the abandonment of democratic centralism.
First of all, I agree that state and local elections should be the primary focus, legitimizing the socialist parties and getting them more exposure.
But as far as Presidential elections, I may side with the CPUSA leadership. The key here is to defeat the ultra-right, who after all have the advantage, spreading and promoting ignorance to further their own ends. The Dems may not be allies(they are probably enemies), but at least they don't stand to destroy all that we believe in.
Voting in dems does not defeat the ultra-right. Let's not forget that Bush came into office, sent us to Iraq, ruined the economy, and as you know the list goes on, and this was after Clinton (who had come into office with a democrat majority in congress). It's a temporary change to vote dems, and when you get right down to it, they aren't all that different anyway. Check out my video "debunking CPUSA's communism by proxy" for details on the dems.
I wholly agree. But within the confines of this silly two-party system with two highly similar parties, what's a person supposed to do? What we need to do is educate people about electoral systems in general and open up the floor to more ideologies and parties, thus gaining support for a total overhaul of the US electoral system(Repeal McCain-Feingold, for starters). Our current system is almost a reflection of the American "whatever is easiest" mentality. So sad...
You work for change outside of the existing electoral system. You can cite any reason you want for trying to fix things via the democrats, but the bottom line is you're still playing imperialist ball on imperialist terms.
What happens if the democrat party was replaced with a fascist party? Would we then be told to vote republican as a means to an end? That we'd achieve communism by voting for McCain or Bush?
Playing ball with the American electoral system is like asking nicely for communism.
In any case, I understand the concept of voting for the lesser of two evils as a means to an end. I've said that many times. It's an entirely different issue however, to expect to achieve real change, permanent change, or sustain a communist movement through these actions.
But let's see what the CPUSA does once we have the dems in power. The next step in the "road to socialism" is the forming of the anti-monopoly coalition and labor party. I've got $100 says they won't even try to do it.
This is interesting, I really don´t like communism at all nor the ways they used to get the power.
How many memmebers the CPU have? thousands, a million?
Could be interesting to see how a consumist sociaty turns to communism.
Because as far as I know, USA people values the private propierty, and most of the idealistic people belive in Liberty (Political Liberty) I now for example had been manifestation from very questionable people, this that don't use to happen in a socialist country
I would like to point out, as a CPUSA member, that the vast majority of us completely disagree with the leadership with the fawning over the Dems. However, we are doing what we can to build socialism with our local clubs and activities with labor unions.
I've had the opportunity to talk with quite a few members over this, and there are many out there that are doing as you describe; working towards more idealist goals rather than working for party leadership. Nothing wrong with that!
However, the downside is that if the party finds out that a member is doing this, and does not believe in supporting the dems, they give the boot. Leadership is purging right now, everyone that isn't perpetuating revisionism.
I see your point friend. There is a strong revisionist trend within the leadership right now, just as you stated. People are being purged from the Party, many of the former members of the social democratic wing Committees of Correspondence now hold top positions in the Party. Although these are dark times for Marxist-Leninists in the party, we must not cop-out and leave , we must become stronger and teach more people within the party Marxist theory and praxis.
I'm saying that those of us within the party must use democratic centralism to our advantage to trump the revisionists and gain leadership. If I get expelled for not renouncing Marxism-Leninism well then so be it. I'm just saying that I'm not going anywhere .
So given that the leadership makes decisions behind closed doors and not through democratic centralism (such as adopting "the road to socialism), purges members that say they do not support the two-party system democrats, and does a multi-million dollar office renovation in one of the priciest locations in the world while we're on the doorstep of a recession, and doesn't openly run anyone for public office, tell me again what it was that YOU are going to teach THEM.
That is a good question, and it's tough to answer. I think the best thing to do as of now is to organize active local clubs that promote Marxism-Leninism and stand opposed to the revisionist trend. Club building is crucial and should be a top priority for any member, along with study sessions. That is a big step toward educating people and encouraging Marxist discussion while working with local unions/organizations.
But in regard to changing the direction in which the CPUSA is headed (I assume that's your intention while remaining a member of a party that you disagree with), given that the leadership acts independently of, and doesn't practice democratic centralism, how do you plan to make that happen?
Should the next party convention continue to pursue this policy, well, as a member, by democratic centralism I will continue to carry it out, but at this venue, I think after 08' the tactic will no longer be needed (and the leadership itself has outlined this such as in Sam Webb's latest statements "On the Road Again").
Was democratic centralism the method by which "the road to socialism" was drawn up? Is it the reason that the CPUSA supports the democrats? Was there a vote held within the party to pursue these methods, accept revisionist tactics, and abandon the party's previous endeavors?
Well, like I said this policy has been in place since 1984. Really, for our party, a lot is "up for grabs" we still have no solid opinion on the USSR, Stalin, PRC, and just how our march towards the more advanced phase (that is the anti-monopoly peoples coalition which has been our "next phase" since it began working in France back in the 60's I believe) is going to come about. These things will probably be prominetely discussed at our next convention which is coming up. Particularly....
Particularly because of objections raised much like yours by prominent Party figures (including a member of the National Committee) these things will probably take the lead - particularly because the national chair has himself mentioned the possibility of the proper situation arising for a shift. The 2001 and 2005 conventions were primarily concerned with new Party rules, finances, where to stand with the Democrats, and "bill of rights socialism" (and the adoption of this policy).
So in other words, the decision to support the democrats was not arrived at by the practice of democratic centralism within the party.
This was my point; you mentioned supporting the democrats citing the principle of democratic centralism, yet the decision of the party to travel in this direction was not decided through democratic centralism.
I must admit I'm not 100% sure whether or not the Party Congress decided to make this shift or if Gus Hall and the National Committee at the time did - I'll look up what the convention in those years decided.
Let's not forget that democratic centralism is the theory by which a vanguard party should be run AFTER the assumption of power, not as a means to overthrow capitalist empires. Lenin held that capitalist empires cannot be reformed democratically.
Given these two notions, I wholeheartedly support the idea of democratic centralism, so long as it is used as Lenin had outlined, and not as a method to overthrow the ruling class.
This is where the CP has departed from Marxism-Leninism.
The statement is more or less about how the Democratic party is at this moment required to break the back of the "Reagan revolution" and slow down the advance of the very far right wing movement (the fact that Ron Paul even got any delegates makes me nervous!) - is indeed an important step, since a loss would probably set the working class back into the 1940's or even prenew deal (privitization etc). This tactic is about to lose its usefulness however, which I think is clearly outlined.
But we can see by example that this isn't the case. Bill Clinton was in office with a democratic majority in congress! Bush still got elected afterwards, and during this time the party made no advancement in forming their "labor party" which is the next step after a democratic majority.
We have real life examples that show that the CPUSA's strategy cannot and will not work.
Lenin said that you cannot democratically reform a capitalist empire. I tend to believe him, and so far he's been right!
Any assumption that CPUSA is tying itself to the Democratic party is incorrect and shows ignorance on the part of any person who says so. Prior to the shift in 1984 we had no part in dealing with the Democratic party on an electoral basis as party strategy, but due to the strength of the "Reagan revolution" which had become clear in 84' we decided that it was more important to fight Republicans in a broad movement (using the Democrats as the next best option), it has already been mentioned by..
"Any assumption that CPUSA is tying itself to the Democratic party is incorrect and shows ignorance on the part of any person who says so."
Heh, right, that's why the party has all of their members vote democrat, and not only that, but claim that the democratic party being in power is a REQUIRED movement to achieve communism. Read the "road to socialism" on CPUSA's own website.
The CPUSA itself claims ties to the democratic party. They even mention that they have party members that run for office as democrats, so yes, they tie themselves to the democrats.
But it's more than just defeating the ultra-right. The CPUSA says that the victory of the democratic party is a PREREQUISITE to achieving communism. Absurd!
Discussing the CPUSA's programme or "goals" is totally irrelevant, seeing as how they pin their hopes to the Democratic party, which in no way embodies those goals.
This is true, but the CPUSA (well, depending upon who you ask) would argue that while the democratic party does not embody communist goals, they are eager to point out that the democrats are a "means to an end", a way to create a rift between the ruling, yet contenting parties.
My assertion is that this rift is a red herring on "the road to socialism" as outlined by the party.
I would inform them that only Communist party participation in electoral politics could even be considered a means at all. If we were talking about Russia, where I live, there is some argument that it would be good for the KPRF to win more seats in the Duma or perhaps a presidential election some time. Though it could not lead to socialism, seeing that this is basically a reformist, social democratic party, it will have direct benefits for the working class...
....while it will also have side effects such as raising class awareness and improving the view of Communism in general. However, it would be ludicrous to believe that the same effect could occur by throwing the party's entire effort behind a non-Communist or even non-socialist party.
Look at the Democratic Party's website compared to the CPUSA's. It's pratically the same. Want communis? Vote for Hillary or Obama. Want freedom? Vote Constitution Party this November.
I can't say that the CP is hardcore Marxist-Leninist. Perhaps they were at one time, but basic Leninism holds that capitalism can only be overthrown by revolutionary means; that is, any attempts to reform capitalism from within, such as Fabianism and non-revolutionary forms of democratic socialism, are doomed to fail.
They claim to be M-L, but open contradict very basic Marxist doctrine. They're more revisionist if anything.
The question of heathcare is not whether or not it should be universal but why the cost is so high inthe first place. Millions are being spent on cancer cures, but the cure for the common cold is still out of the medical community's grasp.
Irrelevant. The fact remains that only through either socialism, or socialist practices would the cure for cancer be conceivable. Treating (not curing) conditions such as cancer is beneficial to capitalism. A cure is beneficial towards socialism.
The question of education lies in whether or not everybody has to go to school. Those who do not have the intellectual aptitude should not be in school. I know that sounds cruel, but the world needs blue collar workers to keep things moving. I myself move furniture for income. However, this doesn't mean they should be exploited. Everyone should be comfortable with money enough to have a decent sized family and then some. And eveyone in communist society is equal alright. Equal in misery.
Well, I'm talking here about about how the CPUSA is not going to be a factor in bringing communism to the US. If you have some labor theory behind blue collar equality, perhaps you should make a video and we can talk about that there.
Good idea. I don't know how to make a video though. It's something I need to learn to do, since I can't seem to keep my lousy trap shut on these comments! LOL
A lot of the Democrats that the CPUSA supports are actually CP members that are running as democrats. They do that because of the stigma behind being communist. If you don't believe me call the St. Louis offices and ask them.
Hey man, I think you've got it wrong, we want to elect democrats right now so that the ultra-right doesn't come back into power (like McCain). But we don't have any illusions about the Democratic Party. They're a ruling class party. They'll never be a revolutionary party. But right now there is no third party capable of challenging that in this election, and there is way too much at stake right now to let a Bush 2.0 back into power.
I address the advantages of electing democrats into office in this video, no doubt. But the party claims that democratic elections are a NECESSARY step towards communism. This is silly.
And it isn't about bush 2.0 either, the party has supported the democrats long before the threat of Bush was even realized.
But I was talking about supporting communist party members in local elections, not democratic party members. I'm outlining how the rebuttal of, "we can't afford to run a presidential candidate" excuse is nil considering that there are plenty of city and state offices that will provide a platform for a communist politician.
I can't speak for your experiance in Texas. But I've collaborated with the CPUSA in California and they've done exactly what your talking about in local elections campaigning for local progressives within the Democrat party.
The thing about communism is that it CAN'T be an organized and structured group. Any system where some people have power over other people (ie: holding office or joining a certain group) is guaranteed to oppress the people who aren't in that group.
In a way, ideal communism is essencially anarchy. Joining a party to show your support is what Republicans do, they need to feel "better" then everyone else, which goes against communism's ideals.
jcrowley1985 11 months ago
@jcrowley1985
Wrong, unless you're referring only to primitive communism.
Vanguardism can and does work and is the mainstay for any political movement. Popular movements on the other hand while very effective at opposing something, can do little in favor of something. Popular movements can be against, but not for.
malignantpoodle 11 months ago
@malignantpoodle
But didn't Marx himself say something along the line of "I am not a Marxist". Meaning that even himself, the FOUNDER of communism, can't uphold the ideals of communism. Sadly, communism calls for universal selfless cooperation, something which humans are incapable of.
As great a perfect utopia communism is, sadly it can't be obtained as humans are naturally greedy and incapable of pure equality.
jcrowley1985 11 months ago
@jcrowley1985
First, communism never claims to be a utopia. It claims to be a system where workers own the means of production, and where human need trumps profit. It also does not call for selfless cooperation.
Marx believed that popular uprising would eventually achieve communism, sort of spontaneously; that conditions would get so bad that it would just happen. Later, his work was refined by others that saw vanguardism as a more reliable and realistic method.
malignantpoodle 11 months ago
The CPUSA is reformist and no longer revolutionary. The fall of Stalinism must have made a huge blow to the party. Like many Stalinist parties, the end of the USSR came as a complete shock.
Many communists lost their ideals and surrendered to the capitalists and their lies. The CPUSA is indeed reformist and not communist. Since 1927 Stalinism was dominating the party, all who opposed Stalin were removed.
The party was a tool of the Moscow bureaucracy. Now it is a tool of the Democrats.
UDSS 1 year ago
@UDSS
I wouldn't say the fall of stalinism, rather the abandonment of the USSR is what ended the CP when funding stopped. They got funding all the way up to 1991, long after hardline Stalinist ideals were abandoned.
The CP used to be highly effective, but when the funding went, so did the regulation and standards. Now a small group of people run it unchecked and the party gets almost all of its money from rental property in NY.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
The problem is that Communism is flat out EVIL. Fucking idiots!! Read a history book!
DeathToLiberalism 1 year ago
@DeathToLiberalism
Yes, take the word of the people that have the most to lose from communism. Great policy.
Maybe we should let death row inmates go because they say so, or hell just do away with court systems altogether; if someone is filing a legal complaint we can just listen to them and don't need to analyze their claims at all.
Great policy!
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle You don't read history much do you?
DeathToLiberalism 1 year ago
@DeathToLiberalism
Actually you don't read history much considering your only source of information are US history books :)
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle Oh right, Communists never committed mass genocide. Stalin, Mao were both saints. Gee, all those Russians I talked to after the wall came down didn't have much good to say about Communism but I guess they read the wrong history books too. Gee, I wonder why Communist countries have always been evil dictatorships who oppress, starve, torture and murder their own citizens.
DeathToLiberalism 1 year ago
@DeathToLiberalism
And yet the advent and use of nuclear weapons, embargo starvation, trading with the enemy act, proliferation of biological and chemical weapons, imperalism, Belgians on the Congo, genocide in Sudan, Albania, etc. The border country of Mexico about to blow up. Your government building and helping the TALIBAN and ALQUEDA during the 80s, with 1.2 billion dead under imperialist capitalism?
right, capitalism never hurt anyone.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle Nice commie propaganda. The truth is communism is responsible for millions upon millions of deaths. It is an oppressive, brutal ideology that completely fails every time it is implemented. Your buddy Castro had to come out and finally admit it doesn't work. I'll take Capitalism any day. Its why I was able to achieve and become successful. Commies never become anything other than economic slaves and government drones.
DeathToLiberalism 1 year ago
@DeathToLiberalism
Do yourself a favor. Either google or wiki the terms, List of Genocides.
You'll see that over 90% of them are in capitalist countries or at the hands of capitalist imperialists abroad.
It doesn't add up that you're talking about people not reading and then citing the choice of capitalism whilst giving an example of the biggest blemish on the capitalist record.
I'm guessing you don't read much, you know, the whole Occam's Razor thing :)
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle Oh please, Commie! Capitalism is not to blame for genocides, you ignorant n00b! Capitalism allows people to have a stake in their own futures, fosters innovation and entrepreneurship, encourages hard work and personal responsibility. Communism destroys all this. There is no incentive with communism, unless its at the point of a gun. You cannot be serious with your ignorance of history. The bloodiest and most tyrannical regimes of the past century were Communist!
DeathToLiberalism 1 year ago
@DeathToLiberalism
So you didn't even look it up. I see.
Capitalism is unequivocally the king of genocides.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle Well, if that is what your comrade pinkos tell you I won't try and change your mind. History proves I am right. Capitalism builds nations, Communism tears them down. Just amazing how blind you are to history. I wish I could send you to live in Cuba or North Korea.
DeathToLiberalism 1 year ago
@DeathToLiberalism
Actually, its what YOUR history books say, something you said I should read.
Maybe follow your own advice stupid fuck.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@malignantpoodle Oh ok, I'll just listen to the Politburo. I know how trustworthy they are. Stalin never existed, nor did Mao. The USSR was a benevolent country who had the welfare of its citizens first and foremost. There were no long lines for food. Everyone was happy. And they never tried to shoot you if you chose to emigrate elsewhere.
You are a very deluded individual.
DeathToLiberalism 1 year ago
@DeathToLiberalism
Know, I'm saying to look at western sources with regard to genocides, which you refuse to acknowledge. You can wiki or google "list of genocides" and see a complete history.
Sorry, but Mao and Stalin together cannot even come close to the over 1.2 billion killed under capitalist and imperialist regimes. The information is out there. That you refuse to look at it doesn't make it go away.
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
@DeathToLiberalism if you ever read a fucking history book, i think you'll find that facism isn't that well looked upon today either you right-wing little bitch.
buroosh 1 year ago
@buroosh I'm not a fascist, dumbass. Communism and Fascism are not that different. Both are oppressive and end up killing millions. Jeezus you're stupid.
DeathToLiberalism 1 year ago
Problem with CPUSA . . . ah, that they are communists/marxists?
". . . completely ignoring my escalating queries while I was a member has resulted in me taking my views to the public." Yep, sounds like the "enlightened" "peoples" party to me.
DavidWarangel 1 year ago
@DavidWarangel
You give them too much credit. They have 318 members. There are much larger parties, none of which have a favorable opinion of the CPUSA. Personifying the CP as the representative of Marxism to underscore some subtle point you're trying to make is failed because almost nobody on the left respects them to begin with :/
malignantpoodle 1 year ago
Problem with CPUSA . . . ah, that they are communists/marxists?
DavidWarangel 1 year ago
Just wondering, are you a communist? I see all the pros of Communism and I see the cons. I agree with you about voting locally and not just voting for the Democrats. I value Conservative Ideals, Marxist Ideals, and Liberal Ideals. I'm not a member of the party because I'm loyal to the Nation - not a single political party.
MysteryMixes 1 year ago
power to the people.
sharkygunsel 1 year ago
I agree. Keep up the videos comrade.
rwcwetback 1 year ago
Tell it like it is comrade! I've also heard the CPUSA disavows as a means to socialist transition the armed proletarian uprising and seizure of State Power. CPUSA is a degenerate Menshevik party and no use to socialists. The logic of your statements is irrefutable. We need a Party based on Marxism pure and simple.
Commiton 1 year ago
The CPUSA are nothing but revisionist mensheviks. No realistic communist/socialist or student of dialectical materialism in their right mind would think we could bring socialism by voting for the bourgeois Democrat Party. Mensheviks! A waste of time for the class conscious proletarian. The Bourgeois Dictatorship will never hand over State Power to the people because we vote them out.
Commiton 1 year ago
Well, we can do it your way and simply debate each other and all other left wing parties or we can go out and make a change and a difference to working people. Because this is about working people, not about us.
residentfan2 1 year ago
Communism also means a self governing society, take away leaders, government & laws & there would be anarchy. Can't rely on the communist party, political parties never reflect the best interests of the people. In a 1 party system the party should be under the the dictators full control, need law & order. Marxism is the closest you're going to get, a leader should serve the people not parties & bureacrats. Organized politics & religions are for ningcompoops !
WINGGULLSEAGULL 1 year ago
I get what you mean. I find it disappointing that there aren't very many choices to actually vote for communists or socialist candidates. I voted for Obama but won't be fooled again. Obama is the new, not so improved version of Bush.
MrRedFredSaid 2 years ago
Well, there aren't many parties that support voting capitalists out as a way to communism, and those that do have thin ranks.
Change doesn't come top down. It never has. It comes from the bottom up. People that want to vote in the right candidate or get the right supreme court justices in place aren't what I'd call, "educated" when it comes to Marxist ideology.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
Maybe the CPUSA's strategy is to create the conditions to easier promote Socialism?
aro88 2 years ago
I don't think anyone would disagree that that's what they say they're doing.
But what next? Vote republican to keep the nationalists out? Come on.
No meaningful change ever comes from the top. It doesn't come from electing the right people or getting the right supreme court justice in place. Meaningful, real change always starts bottom up. If you think voting democrat is the "Raod to Socialism", then have at it. Not for me though.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
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froberts7 2 years ago
CPUSA is Social Democracy; pure revisionism.
timberwulfzero 2 years ago
I agree mate. Americas socialist/communist parties are a joke and are really just ways to exploit those who really want to do good with your nation (the real communists) while the fake communists try to run them.All the real communists that i know of are not part of any communist or socialist party due to the fact that those parties are not capable of truly doing what the communist ideology is supposed to bring, Its also laughable that the communist parties there make you pay to join...fail.
Alkarin11 2 years ago
@Alkarin11 I agree with you 100%, since when has real communism ever been achieved by the communist party? NEVER ! I believe in the Marxist ideology but I would never join any communist party or any political party. Organized politics & religion are for losers. Communist parties are never on track with Karl Marx & always seem to lean towards fascism & bureacracy & a monstrosity. Example : Lenin & the Bolsheviks ! That was the main reason why the 1917 Russian socialist experiment failed.
WINGGULLSEAGULL 1 year ago
@Alkarin11 Yes it is laughable & hypocritical that the communist party would charge "money" for membership. I thought communists are against capitalism. Where does all the money from the CPUSA go into the deep pockets of Sam Webb? He probably drives a Rolls Royce & lives in a mansion throwing darts at a dartboard with Karl Marx's face on it. He's making money off Karl Marx the same way Pastors & Evangelists cash in on God & Jesus.
WINGGULLSEAGULL 1 year ago
You make an eloquent and brilliant argument, Sir.
This is exactly why I haven't joined and won't join CPUSA, unless they change their tactics for achieving communism in the U.S. You can never achieve communism in the U.S. by voting and working with the current political system.
100% support and respect!
bossofbosses4life 2 years ago
do you support any of the current socialist nations malignantpoodle?
TheFifthColumn1 2 years ago
Not in full. I think many have great ideas and programs, so do some western democracies. Cuba's healthcare system is good, as is Canada's when compared to the US. Vietnam has excellent agriculture subsidies, and then there is of course Western Europe which is not socialist by name but employs many socialist policies successfully.
My personal alignment does not neatly reflect any current model however.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
Just looked up many Soviet inventions, yeah, they had some, and like the warring, conquesting government they had, their inventions weren't all that exportable or profitable or really anything but for use in warfare. Anyway, you still on the internet? Still using American made technology to advocate your idea of communism? So basically if you work a dead-end job, everyone else in the world should have to as well so that your emotions never experience any saddening? Is that the CPUSA's goal?
Tr1po11Samson 2 years ago
What fantastic reasoning you have there. Because I use the internet I should submit to American idealism, an authoritarian nation that locks up more of its people than the USSR ever did?
Gee, I hope you don't break any bones, because if you get treated for a compound fracture, I guess that means you're a communist.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
"Oh, I don't defend the Soviet model, or Chinese model, or basically any model of any country that has insofar practiced Communism. Communism's just a great idea in my head and with insults and links to propagandist literature I will prove to you that you cannot argue against [my idea of[ communism." That's what you've said, right? And that you blocked me so I couldn't argue with you? Pussy. Fuck the CPUSA and fuck American-born communists, they don't deserve to be in this country.
Tr1po11Samson 2 years ago
I blocked you because you moderated your channel for the purpose of suppressing opinions. I explained that to you in the private message, with a link to my video made almost a year ago outlining this one simple rule; if you block or censor comments on your channel, you are restricted from posting here. Now you are using a sock puppet account.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
Heck, if you're so sure of your backwards views, go to the neighborhoods in NY like Little Ukraine and tell all those immigrants that they're in the wrong country, that the Soviet world they came from is the really free one and that this place is just horrible. See how many people you get diverted to your "cause." It's cute too how American communists only find allies in egotistical college students, wealthy teenagers and young people, and super-leftists. That's not coincidence.
Tripo1iSamson 2 years ago
I don't know where you keep getting that I support or believe in the Soviet model. You do realize there are competing views right? Or is your world just all that black and white. Sure, and I bet all Christians agree with one another, all Republicans love GW Bush, and all democrats believe in filibustering.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
So here you are, in Russia, on a Russian-made PC, using electricity that was discovered in Russia, using an online site developed in Russia, to talk about communism. Oh wait, you're in the US, on a US-made computer, talking about Soviet scientific advancements without naming them, to bash the country that houses you. There is a word for that, when a child argues with its parents and throws a tantrum: brat.
Tripo1iSamson 2 years ago
Do you have any idea how many books are written about Soviet inventions? Google it. There are dozens. You want me to name one invention? Reflectron, ANS synthesizers, pressure suits, oh wait! Our pilots and astronauts use pressure suits. Does this mean they're taking it for granted, because they don't support the Soviet Union?
Your arguments are pathetic, seriously.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
I'm not going to argue with you because you've obviously made some very stupid decisions.
Tr1po11Samson 2 years ago
You're not going to argue with me because you're afraid of how much I know about your stupid little world.
Besides, who else will you argue with, someone that made the "right" decisions and already "agrees" with you?
You make no sense.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
ha, what is the deal with leftists and liberals and punks in general that when you disagree with them they debase your argument into 1 of 4 possible emotions? Why is it I'm so fearful of what you know about my "stupid little world?" Yeah, alright dude. I said I wasn't going to argue with you, so you say I'm scared. Okay. How much more time do I have to waste now, for daring to argue against a softy bitch commie who lives in a country better than most others without deserving to?
Tripo1iSamson 2 years ago
You came here using profanity, ignorant arguments, and complete speculation. But I'm the one making an emotional argument?
You've not addressed any issues, and when I asked about your ideals, you said that you didn't know.
You also said you were done arguing, but posted three more times after that. Anything else you want to lie about?
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
So again, you're a moron.
Tripo1iSamson 2 years ago
Basically all you've told me is that regardless of fact or history or what many Russians themselves say, you are siding with communism, while in the protection of a capitalist, wealthy, developed society. Do I got it right? You won't listen to immigrants, statistics, and history, but still want to talk about ideals. Okay. Those damn evil right wingers, trying to allow people to move up in the world and get rich, how dare they!
Tripo1iSamson 2 years ago
Neither Russia nor the USSR achieved communism. I do support communist ideology. I'm a classical marxist. I do not support the Soviet model.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
Hi, i think what u say is true - the democrats are the lesser of 2 evils. Im a british communist, and am wondering which Organisation / Party are u a member of? If you're interested im a member of a global group called the International Marxist Tendency. But i like to keep in contact and talk to other communists as wel.
mrslaughter15 2 years ago
The CPUSA like all other communist parties tied to Moscow was just a tool for Soviet foreign policy. The CPUSA would instruct its members to vote for whoever was least likely to harm Soviet interests. My guess is they are still doing this out of habit, because there is really nothing else for them to do; they have no reason to exist.
truefakeness 2 years ago
Actually I gotta say that Obama has been critisized for being a communist himself. We (as communists) know that isnt true however i have noticed alot of idealogical politics comming from him. He actually is for the working partys, and middle class people. I know that their isnt much of a gap between the two parties, but I actually agree with CPUSA's politics. But I ALSO agree that its not going to be established by voting democrat and if I was going to do that, I would join the DP.
nightcrowred 3 years ago
i'm glad to see that you've obviously read "what is to be done?" by Lenin (in my opinion, too many marxists today are quick to ignore his and trotsky's enormous contributions to marxism).
neosoc 3 years ago
im 14 ive never read either lenin or trotsky i am a member bbut i think i understand what they contributed. vanguard and constant revolution, but thats a pretty watered down summary. idk, but i am 14, so i have plenty of tie to catch up. but in all of this i am NOT ignorant towards my heros, even if i havnt read a page of what is to be done
deathsigle 2 years ago
I'm sure your intentions are good, but how can you honestly claim to subscribe to the belief system of someone whose work you've never even read?
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
because i dont subscribe to any belief system, i look at facts and problems in society and then make up my own mind, i agree with the quotes ive seen from lenin, and trotsky, but i have my own beliefs, i happen to agree with marx and engels. (i have read the manifesto and am reading das kapital, i want to get around to fuerbach) i want to read about the bases of this ideology and see if i agree with them(and i do) and then learn more about who i like and who i dont within it.
deathsigle 2 years ago
You say you don't subscribe to any belief system, then turn around and claim support for Marxist doctrine. I'm confused.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
even more so dumb fuck how can you have read up on these communist figures and be dumb enough to fall for their ideas?
Tr1po11Samson 2 years ago
Please let us know the ideals you fell for, so I can be sure to stay far away from them.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
Idk, the ideals that allowed the CPUSA to exist are also the same ideals that the CPUSA wishes to take away from people
Tr1po11Samson 2 years ago
Actually, the CPUSA was never "allowed" to exist. It's still technically illegal to participate in a communist political party within the US. They don't enforce the law on this anymore, but it's still illegal.
In regard to that which they wish to take away... like what? They support the current system, advocate reform, and are revisionist in nature. They play ball with the existing system and advocate the democrats. What exactly are they trying to take away?
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
try the system of competitive capitalism that enabled the massive technology jump in the west, particularly the US
Tr1po11Samson 2 years ago
Advancements in the Soviet Union were just as common, and sometimes more profound, as the capitalist counterparts. The competition = advancement ideology has been thoroughly disproved.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
Right, sure it has. So all the equipment that American companies got back from Soviet business ventures that were missing screws and equipment because in the USSR getting new equipment was an impossible, bureaucratic task, that all doesn't matter. Why don't you advocate your communist ideology to immigrants leaving communist countries? There's a reason why there aren't tons of Americans flocking to live in Russia, however I'm sure you'll cite some vague propaganda. Bitch.
Tr1po11Samson 2 years ago
Perhaps because I don't stand by any nation as an example of communist ideology.
But you can just ignore that, and talk about your "land of the free" that locks up a higher percentage of its population than China, Russia, or even North Korea.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
"I don't stand by any nation as an example of communist ideology. " Well okay, if you can reason that far, the next step in reasoning would be that it was communism itself that usually fucked these nations up. Tell me how many of their own people did Stalin, Mao and others kill? As for the place you mockingly called "the land of the free," I would prefer this sort of freedom, where it hasn't specifically been made impossible for me to move up in the world. You're just too dumb to see opportunity
Tripo1iSamson 2 years ago
It's funny, you're sitting here defending a country that is heavily dependent upon incarceration (more than ANY other country) to keep people in line, and talk about freedom in the same sentence.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
Hey, when you're masturbating to the communist manifesto, do you cum to the image of Che Guevera?
Tr1po11Samson 2 years ago
LOL, no, what makes me cum is thinking about dispatching people like you in an open revolution.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
Anyway, Fidel, I gotta go, keep up the fight against the very system that has enabled you to post ittle bitty video blogs about your communist, divisive, robbing, backwards Euro-views. Oh, and fuck your family for having you.
Tr1po11Samson 2 years ago
You are quite possibly the most bigoted, ignorant, and belligerent person I've ever talked to on here, and that's a lot of people.
Congrats on being the best at something. Now let's just hope you don't end up a statistic in your country's massive prison systems. If it's one thing Americans do well, it's keeping people on lock down and suppressing opinions. You fit right in.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
Tripo1iSamson 2 years ago
Contributions to medicine, agriculture, aerospace, architecture, botany... the list goes on. You're referring to a stupid list passed around in chain hoax emails. The Soviet Union contributed to scientific advancement as much or more than America has. It's undeniable. And no, I'm not talking about lightbulbs, the internet, or cars.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
"You're referring to a stupid list passed around in chain hoax emails." I have no idea what you're talking about. "The Soviet Union contributed to scientific advancement as much or more than America has" Prove it, dude. Name 1 invention other than the Kalashnikov that the Soviet Union exported. "Anything else you want to lie about? " The only one lying here is you, to yourself. "You've not addressed any issues" Okay, let me know about the immigration rates, Russia's life expectancy, and more.
Tripo1iSamson 2 years ago
You obviously know exactly what I'm talking about because you put the list out almost verbatim. So not only are you intellectually dishonest, but you have this habit of moving the goal posts. As soon as you get pinned down on something, you change the subject.
You're trying to build a strawman to argue against Soviet scientific advancements by asking about export commodities? Entirely separate issues.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
"You obviously know exactly what I'm talking about because you put the list out almost verbatim."
Not really, again, I wrote that list myself last night, because those were mostly inventions made in the US and certainly all inventions not made in any communist country. So, you got a swimsuit and some meters. Wow, you're amazing. Let's go communist now, we can all have suits and that way we're all equal. Anyway, when will you start telling immigrants that their countries weren't REALLY commy?
Tr1po11Samson 2 years ago
I've always held that position. There have never been any truly communist countries. You do realize that achieving communism means the end of organized government right? That has never happened, not even close.
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
"So not only are you intellectually dishonest, but you have this habit of moving the goal posts."
"You're trying to build a strawman to argue against Soviet scientific advancements by asking about export commodities? Entirely separate issues."
Sure I'm building a "strawman," but yeah, their "inventions" (the two you've named) weren't nearly as important as other inventions by non-communists, and then you say I'm changing the subject because I talk about exporting. So why do you live here?
Tr1po11Samson 2 years ago
"Sure I'm building a "strawman," "
That really says it all. I'm sorry your argument went down in flames.
"So why do you live here? "
Why do Jews live in war torn Israel? Why do poor people die at around 30 years of age in Botswana instead of leaving?
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
"Name 1 invention other than the Kalashnikov that the Soviet Union exported."
Again, exportation and Soviet inventions are two separate issues.
I can name 50, but how about one used all over the world?
Ilizarov apparatus
malignantpoodle 2 years ago
Hello, I can see that you are shocked and confused about the politics the CPUSA is embracing. But all this can be explained: It is not a "Communist" Party, is a Stalinist party, a National-Opportunist party that serves to the ruling class trough confusing or opposing any working-class action.
I suggest you to visit the World Socialist Web Site for more answers
I leave you with the real Communist/Socialist party in your country:
watch?v=f105OlulLAI
lalo6437 3 years ago
I think if leftists really want change, they do need to bring it about via the Democratic Party, simply because of how this country works. Its not like the democrats would shun you for your liberalism. Take Dennis Kucinich for instance, he's not much different than social democrats of Nordic countries, but he calls himself a democrat and is respected as one. Ron Paul is basically the embodiment of the libertarian party, and he was runner up for the republican ticket.
DevoRizzle 3 years ago
This is true. I'm a socialist I really thought the only candidate that would bring fairness was kucinich. Obama swings to the right the democrats are lier's
surfingbrookah 3 years ago
Truth be told I do like Obama. However, I'm not under the impression or illusion that communism is going to happen through him or his party.
malignantpoodle 3 years ago
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Wow, you must be an extreme commie if you think Obama swings to the right.
Sparisi1122 3 years ago
Obama does swing to the right. He wants to cut taxes, albeit on the middle class, while still spending billions of dollars on "national defense." Basically he wants to buy protection on credit, so that I will have to pay for it when I want to retire. With that said, McCain is a short-fused hothead who wouldn't hesitate to blow up Iran, so i am voting Obama.
For the record, I am not a socialist or communist, or extreme leftist. Not much more than a center-leftist.
DevoRizzle 3 years ago
I'm just not a big fan of war in any sense. Unfortunately I live in America where we spend ten times the amount of any other nation on giant killing machines.
tank6603 3 years ago
Exactly. We kill millions of babies.
Sparisi1122 3 years ago
But that's what exactly has happened
lalo6437 3 years ago
What? he(Obama) is very moderate.
boomac62 3 years ago
Yeah, he would seem that way to a hardcore commie.
Anyone who calls him moderate also calls the biggest RINO John McCain an extreme right-winger.
Sparisi1122 3 years ago
Well by international standards, Obama is a center-right politician. McCain would probably just be a moderate right. But in all honesty the left/right scale is completely meaningless. Attempting to judge all political actions on one left right axis is incredibly flawed.
Iowa656 3 years ago
Thank you for totally repudiating the piece-meal reform approach that is nothing more than petty-bourgeois philistinism. the interests of the working-class is by definition, diametrically opposite to electoral bourgeois politics. Scratch a CPUSA member and you'll find a national chauvinist, or a flabby individual removed from the international scope of the labor movement.
PMishkin 3 years ago 5
Well said!
malignantpoodle 3 years ago
I used to be against the Democrats, but I now think there is a moral argument for supporting the Democrats. The last 8 years have undoubtedly hurt the most vulnerable among us the most (Iraqis, Africans w/ AIDS, low income Americans, etc.) The consequences of sitting on the sideline or supporting a third party could have disastrous consequences for the least well off, while affecting myself minimally. I think the CPUSA is simply being pragmatic in its new strategy.
sokil22 3 years ago
I've said many times on this thread, and in these videos, that I can understand supporting the democrats as the lesser of two evils.
The CPUSA however has an outlined plan that communism will be achieved through the democrats, and not only that, but the democrat party is REQUIRED for communism?
Rubbish.
malignantpoodle 3 years ago
and this is the legendary party that was supposedly being funded by the kremilin in the 60s? wow. moscow should find 'em some new errand boys or something if they really are that ignorant of national and doctrinal politics as you say they are.
mulukchuwen 3 years ago
Well, they lost funding in 91, and didn't answer to the Soviets anymore. So instead of being a link in the chain, party leadership is now the top dog where CPUSA is concerned and they do as they please whether consistent with Marxist philosophy or not.
malignantpoodle 3 years ago
with attitudes like that it's not a wonder why they lost that funding.
mulukchuwen 3 years ago
Um, no. The Soviet Union no longer existed.
You know jack shit about the whole thing but want to talk about it?
With the racist images in your profile, I have to block you. I don't mind debate or disagreement and this is the first time I've ever censored anyone, but I don't tolerate racists.
malignantpoodle 3 years ago
Also Malignant, I would like to say that I agree with what you said in the video. I admire that you went to the Party with your thoughts and opinions, many people have been expelled for that sort of thing. I was just giving you my reasons for staying.
HaggardtheGreat 3 years ago
I understand.
And believe me, I'm not one to jump ship at the first sign of trouble. However, when democracy is no longer practiced, and one has no voice unless it is in support of party leadership, I draw the line.
The decision to follow the democrats was not arrived at through democratic centralism. It was conceived, passed, and put into party policy almost wholly by Sam Webb. But the bigger issue is that the current exodus of members is a result of the abandonment of democratic centralism.
malignantpoodle 3 years ago
I agree wholeheartedly.
I know it takes a lot for one to leave the party.
Any who, good video and take it easy.
HaggardtheGreat 3 years ago
First of all, I agree that state and local elections should be the primary focus, legitimizing the socialist parties and getting them more exposure.
But as far as Presidential elections, I may side with the CPUSA leadership. The key here is to defeat the ultra-right, who after all have the advantage, spreading and promoting ignorance to further their own ends. The Dems may not be allies(they are probably enemies), but at least they don't stand to destroy all that we believe in.
Manitalis 3 years ago
Voting in dems does not defeat the ultra-right. Let's not forget that Bush came into office, sent us to Iraq, ruined the economy, and as you know the list goes on, and this was after Clinton (who had come into office with a democrat majority in congress). It's a temporary change to vote dems, and when you get right down to it, they aren't all that different anyway. Check out my video "debunking CPUSA's communism by proxy" for details on the dems.
malignantpoodle 3 years ago
I wholly agree. But within the confines of this silly two-party system with two highly similar parties, what's a person supposed to do? What we need to do is educate people about electoral systems in general and open up the floor to more ideologies and parties, thus gaining support for a total overhaul of the US electoral system(Repeal McCain-Feingold, for starters). Our current system is almost a reflection of the American "whatever is easiest" mentality. So sad...
Manitalis 3 years ago
You work for change outside of the existing electoral system. You can cite any reason you want for trying to fix things via the democrats, but the bottom line is you're still playing imperialist ball on imperialist terms.
What happens if the democrat party was replaced with a fascist party? Would we then be told to vote republican as a means to an end? That we'd achieve communism by voting for McCain or Bush?
Playing ball with the American electoral system is like asking nicely for communism.
malignantpoodle 3 years ago
In any case, I understand the concept of voting for the lesser of two evils as a means to an end. I've said that many times. It's an entirely different issue however, to expect to achieve real change, permanent change, or sustain a communist movement through these actions.
But let's see what the CPUSA does once we have the dems in power. The next step in the "road to socialism" is the forming of the anti-monopoly coalition and labor party. I've got $100 says they won't even try to do it.
malignantpoodle 3 years ago
This is interesting, I really don´t like communism at all nor the ways they used to get the power.
How many memmebers the CPU have? thousands, a million?
Could be interesting to see how a consumist sociaty turns to communism.
Because as far as I know, USA people values the private propierty, and most of the idealistic people belive in Liberty (Political Liberty) I now for example had been manifestation from very questionable people, this that don't use to happen in a socialist country
rochecr 3 years ago
Hey there Malignant.
I would like to point out, as a CPUSA member, that the vast majority of us completely disagree with the leadership with the fawning over the Dems. However, we are doing what we can to build socialism with our local clubs and activities with labor unions.
HaggardtheGreat 3 years ago
I can certainly understand that.
I've had the opportunity to talk with quite a few members over this, and there are many out there that are doing as you describe; working towards more idealist goals rather than working for party leadership. Nothing wrong with that!
However, the downside is that if the party finds out that a member is doing this, and does not believe in supporting the dems, they give the boot. Leadership is purging right now, everyone that isn't perpetuating revisionism.
malignantpoodle 3 years ago
I see your point friend. There is a strong revisionist trend within the leadership right now, just as you stated. People are being purged from the Party, many of the former members of the social democratic wing Committees of Correspondence now hold top positions in the Party. Although these are dark times for Marxist-Leninists in the party, we must not cop-out and leave , we must become stronger and teach more people within the party Marxist theory and praxis.
HaggardtheGreat 3 years ago
So you'll follow the party to the end no matter what their leadership, ideals, or principles become? That's dogmatic.
malignantpoodle 3 years ago
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying that those of us within the party must use democratic centralism to our advantage to trump the revisionists and gain leadership. If I get expelled for not renouncing Marxism-Leninism well then so be it. I'm just saying that I'm not going anywhere .
HaggardtheGreat 3 years ago
I see.
So given that the leadership makes decisions behind closed doors and not through democratic centralism (such as adopting "the road to socialism), purges members that say they do not support the two-party system democrats, and does a multi-million dollar office renovation in one of the priciest locations in the world while we're on the doorstep of a recession, and doesn't openly run anyone for public office, tell me again what it was that YOU are going to teach THEM.
malignantpoodle 3 years ago
That is a good question, and it's tough to answer. I think the best thing to do as of now is to organize active local clubs that promote Marxism-Leninism and stand opposed to the revisionist trend. Club building is crucial and should be a top priority for any member, along with study sessions. That is a big step toward educating people and encouraging Marxist discussion while working with local unions/organizations.
HaggardtheGreat 3 years ago
I don't disagree at all.
But in regard to changing the direction in which the CPUSA is headed (I assume that's your intention while remaining a member of a party that you disagree with), given that the leadership acts independently of, and doesn't practice democratic centralism, how do you plan to make that happen?
malignantpoodle 3 years ago
if CPUSA or the CPGb tack over it be atonher arms race
TheTurthisoutthere 3 years ago
Should the next party convention continue to pursue this policy, well, as a member, by democratic centralism I will continue to carry it out, but at this venue, I think after 08' the tactic will no longer be needed (and the leadership itself has outlined this such as in Sam Webb's latest statements "On the Road Again").
tjhoneycutt 4 years ago
Was democratic centralism the method by which "the road to socialism" was drawn up? Is it the reason that the CPUSA supports the democrats? Was there a vote held within the party to pursue these methods, accept revisionist tactics, and abandon the party's previous endeavors?
malignantpoodle 4 years ago
Well, like I said this policy has been in place since 1984. Really, for our party, a lot is "up for grabs" we still have no solid opinion on the USSR, Stalin, PRC, and just how our march towards the more advanced phase (that is the anti-monopoly peoples coalition which has been our "next phase" since it began working in France back in the 60's I believe) is going to come about. These things will probably be prominetely discussed at our next convention which is coming up. Particularly....
tjhoneycutt 3 years ago
Particularly because of objections raised much like yours by prominent Party figures (including a member of the National Committee) these things will probably take the lead - particularly because the national chair has himself mentioned the possibility of the proper situation arising for a shift. The 2001 and 2005 conventions were primarily concerned with new Party rules, finances, where to stand with the Democrats, and "bill of rights socialism" (and the adoption of this policy).
tjhoneycutt 3 years ago
So in other words, the decision to support the democrats was not arrived at by the practice of democratic centralism within the party.
This was my point; you mentioned supporting the democrats citing the principle of democratic centralism, yet the decision of the party to travel in this direction was not decided through democratic centralism.
malignantpoodle 3 years ago
I must admit I'm not 100% sure whether or not the Party Congress decided to make this shift or if Gus Hall and the National Committee at the time did - I'll look up what the convention in those years decided.
tjhoneycutt 3 years ago
Let's not forget that democratic centralism is the theory by which a vanguard party should be run AFTER the assumption of power, not as a means to overthrow capitalist empires. Lenin held that capitalist empires cannot be reformed democratically.
Given these two notions, I wholeheartedly support the idea of democratic centralism, so long as it is used as Lenin had outlined, and not as a method to overthrow the ruling class.
This is where the CP has departed from Marxism-Leninism.
malignantpoodle 3 years ago
The statement is more or less about how the Democratic party is at this moment required to break the back of the "Reagan revolution" and slow down the advance of the very far right wing movement (the fact that Ron Paul even got any delegates makes me nervous!) - is indeed an important step, since a loss would probably set the working class back into the 1940's or even prenew deal (privitization etc). This tactic is about to lose its usefulness however, which I think is clearly outlined.
tjhoneycutt 4 years ago
But we can see by example that this isn't the case. Bill Clinton was in office with a democratic majority in congress! Bush still got elected afterwards, and during this time the party made no advancement in forming their "labor party" which is the next step after a democratic majority.
We have real life examples that show that the CPUSA's strategy cannot and will not work.
Lenin said that you cannot democratically reform a capitalist empire. I tend to believe him, and so far he's been right!
malignantpoodle 4 years ago
Any assumption that CPUSA is tying itself to the Democratic party is incorrect and shows ignorance on the part of any person who says so. Prior to the shift in 1984 we had no part in dealing with the Democratic party on an electoral basis as party strategy, but due to the strength of the "Reagan revolution" which had become clear in 84' we decided that it was more important to fight Republicans in a broad movement (using the Democrats as the next best option), it has already been mentioned by..
tjhoneycutt 4 years ago
"Any assumption that CPUSA is tying itself to the Democratic party is incorrect and shows ignorance on the part of any person who says so."
Heh, right, that's why the party has all of their members vote democrat, and not only that, but claim that the democratic party being in power is a REQUIRED movement to achieve communism. Read the "road to socialism" on CPUSA's own website.
It looks like ignorance on your part.
malignantpoodle 4 years ago
The CPUSA itself claims ties to the democratic party. They even mention that they have party members that run for office as democrats, so yes, they tie themselves to the democrats.
But it's more than just defeating the ultra-right. The CPUSA says that the victory of the democratic party is a PREREQUISITE to achieving communism. Absurd!
malignantpoodle 4 years ago
Discussing the CPUSA's programme or "goals" is totally irrelevant, seeing as how they pin their hopes to the Democratic party, which in no way embodies those goals.
Slavyanski1942 4 years ago
This is true, but the CPUSA (well, depending upon who you ask) would argue that while the democratic party does not embody communist goals, they are eager to point out that the democrats are a "means to an end", a way to create a rift between the ruling, yet contenting parties.
My assertion is that this rift is a red herring on "the road to socialism" as outlined by the party.
malignantpoodle 4 years ago
I would inform them that only Communist party participation in electoral politics could even be considered a means at all. If we were talking about Russia, where I live, there is some argument that it would be good for the KPRF to win more seats in the Duma or perhaps a presidential election some time. Though it could not lead to socialism, seeing that this is basically a reformist, social democratic party, it will have direct benefits for the working class...
Slavyanski1942 4 years ago
....while it will also have side effects such as raising class awareness and improving the view of Communism in general. However, it would be ludicrous to believe that the same effect could occur by throwing the party's entire effort behind a non-Communist or even non-socialist party.
Slavyanski1942 4 years ago
Look at the Democratic Party's website compared to the CPUSA's. It's pratically the same. Want communis? Vote for Hillary or Obama. Want freedom? Vote Constitution Party this November.
ChooseyBeggar86 4 years ago
It may very well be that CP members could pass for democrats, but it's not reality to think that democrats could pass for CP members.
Voting is the problem. You're not going to be free or achieve communism by relying on the US electorate system.
malignantpoodle 4 years ago
Yeah, Democrats are idealists rather than hardcore Marxist-Leninists.
ChooseyBeggar86 4 years ago
I can't say that the CP is hardcore Marxist-Leninist. Perhaps they were at one time, but basic Leninism holds that capitalism can only be overthrown by revolutionary means; that is, any attempts to reform capitalism from within, such as Fabianism and non-revolutionary forms of democratic socialism, are doomed to fail.
They claim to be M-L, but open contradict very basic Marxist doctrine. They're more revisionist if anything.
malignantpoodle 4 years ago
Whether peaceful or violent revolution, communism is evil.
ChooseyBeggar86 4 years ago
You're right, universal healthcare, education, and equal rights along with the abolition of private interests in the name of society is pure evil.
malignantpoodle 4 years ago
The question of heathcare is not whether or not it should be universal but why the cost is so high inthe first place. Millions are being spent on cancer cures, but the cure for the common cold is still out of the medical community's grasp.
ChooseyBeggar86 4 years ago
Irrelevant. The fact remains that only through either socialism, or socialist practices would the cure for cancer be conceivable. Treating (not curing) conditions such as cancer is beneficial to capitalism. A cure is beneficial towards socialism.
malignantpoodle 4 years ago
The question of education lies in whether or not everybody has to go to school. Those who do not have the intellectual aptitude should not be in school. I know that sounds cruel, but the world needs blue collar workers to keep things moving. I myself move furniture for income. However, this doesn't mean they should be exploited. Everyone should be comfortable with money enough to have a decent sized family and then some. And eveyone in communist society is equal alright. Equal in misery.
ChooseyBeggar86 4 years ago
Well, I'm talking here about about how the CPUSA is not going to be a factor in bringing communism to the US. If you have some labor theory behind blue collar equality, perhaps you should make a video and we can talk about that there.
malignantpoodle 4 years ago
Good idea. I don't know how to make a video though. It's something I need to learn to do, since I can't seem to keep my lousy trap shut on these comments! LOL
ChooseyBeggar86 4 years ago
A lot of the Democrats that the CPUSA supports are actually CP members that are running as democrats. They do that because of the stigma behind being communist. If you don't believe me call the St. Louis offices and ask them.
cpusamember 4 years ago
Oh yeah sure, I get it.
Although I was a party member for years and this information was never revealed to me, it now is being made known publicly on a youtube video.
You show me a democratic candidate supported by the CP that is also a CP member, and I'll recant everything and even send $1,000 to the party.
malignantpoodle 4 years ago
Hey man, I think you've got it wrong, we want to elect democrats right now so that the ultra-right doesn't come back into power (like McCain). But we don't have any illusions about the Democratic Party. They're a ruling class party. They'll never be a revolutionary party. But right now there is no third party capable of challenging that in this election, and there is way too much at stake right now to let a Bush 2.0 back into power.
moonmaster9000 4 years ago
I address the advantages of electing democrats into office in this video, no doubt. But the party claims that democratic elections are a NECESSARY step towards communism. This is silly.
And it isn't about bush 2.0 either, the party has supported the democrats long before the threat of Bush was even realized.
malignantpoodle 4 years ago
yeah they did that after Reagan got elected - i.e., when the ultra right came into power.
moonmaster9000 4 years ago
You think Reagan was the first ultra-right president during CPUSA activity?
You've got to be kidding!
malignantpoodle 4 years ago
But I was talking about supporting communist party members in local elections, not democratic party members. I'm outlining how the rebuttal of, "we can't afford to run a presidential candidate" excuse is nil considering that there are plenty of city and state offices that will provide a platform for a communist politician.
malignantpoodle 4 years ago
I can't speak for your experiance in Texas. But I've collaborated with the CPUSA in California and they've done exactly what your talking about in local elections campaigning for local progressives within the Democrat party.
mao24601 4 years ago