Ibert Flute Concerto mvt 3 Lesson: Tremelo Fingerings

[amirishl337]

I absolutely love you and your instructional/performance videos, but just a concern. For the D-Bb tremelo, if you use a D fingering for Bb would the harmonic in the tremelo be an A?

[lucasmanuelquinteros]

Desde otra parte del mundo (argentina), GRACIAS!!!

 Me estaban volviendo loco estos pasajes!!!

[OakAged72]

OMG - not only do you think tremolo is vibrato, and you can do it without your diaphram (in your "vibrato" vid), but you also think a trill is tremolo? Please correct your terminology and stop misinforming new musicians.

Pray thee child to Google Almighty for wisdom in these matters.

[ninaflute]

dear Oakaged72: This passage fits definition 1b for fingered tremelo.

tremolo [ˈtrɛməˌləʊ]

1. (Music, other)

a. (in playing the violin, cello, etc.) the rapid repetition of a single note produced by a quick back-and-forth movement of the bow

b. the rapid reiteration of two notes usually a third or greater interval apart (fingered tremolo) Compare trill1 [1]

2. (Music, other) (in singing) a fluctuation in pitch Compare vibrato

[OakAged72]

@ninaflute

Sorry but I disagree with your (sourceless) definition's parts 1b and 2. 1a is correct. On a bowed instrument, tremolo is produced with the bow and vibrato is produced with the finger on the string. My guess about how this mass misunderstanding evolved is this: imagine a band teacher telling each section how to produce a vibrato. Since the close-holed flute can't, he had them use temolo instead, said "do this for vibrato" and that got passed down. No wonder so many are confused.

[darlingtonflute]

@OakAged72 I do agree that this may confuse young players, but just to confirm, Nina is correct. (Source: The Oxford Companion to Music, Tenth Edition, Page 1040).

[OakAged72]

@darlingtonflute I do accept that "The Oxford Companion to Music" may support the distortion of of standard definitions in order to simplify things for the beginning flutist, and that it could be said that Nina is just as correct to do so; however I don't agree with the principle of creating incompatible branches of definitions in the first place. What about when a flutist learns another instrument? Why should they have to relearn different definitions for terms they thought they knew? (Cont'd)

[OakAged72]

@darlingtonflute (...con't) And my point that correct definitions already existed still stands.

Re: your ref. book, per Wikipedia: It fudged fact for the non-astute:

"His work was aimed at a reader for whom it 'will neither be beyond the scope of his pocket nor embarrass him by a manner of expression so technical as to add new puzzles to the puzzle which sent him to the book'. The result was a work which was highly accessible to the general reader, as well as being of use to the specialist."

[darlingtonflute]

@OakAged72 sorry to comment twice, but did you actually mean to say that you can't do vibrato on a closed hole flute? On stringed instruments the words tremolo and vibrato do not imply the same technique as they do on wind instruments and with vocalists. On flute, Vibrato is a quick fluctuation of volume, which usually results in a slight variation in pitch. The variation in pitch is not intended, but usually happens naturally. This can be done on both open and closed hole flutes.

[OakAged72]

@darlingtonflute Yes, I meant what I said. The words "tremelo" and "vibrato" certainly do NOT mean the same technique on wind instruments nor with vocalists. Tremolo is volume variation and vibrato is pitch variation. Volume does not affect pitch in and of itself (does a crescendo push a performance out of tune?).

Tremolo can be done with open or closed holes because it's done by breath. Vibrato can be done with open holes because the finger coverage can be fluctuated.

[darlingtonflute]

@OakAged72 Honestly, i've played flute for the majority of my life, and i've been taught by every teacher i've ever had that vibrato is fluctuation of volume, and tremolo of pitch. I play on open and closed hole flutes. B. I have done tremolo and vibrato on both open and closed hole flutes. The definitions of tremolo and vibrato are different on string instruments. However, i do agree completely that is ridiculous for there to be conflicting definitions on different instruments!

[Aislinnmomma]

Wow--I just saw this! This is my flute (minus the gold pads :-) I've got an Artist model solid silver, drawn tone hole, in line with a g donut (split e).

It has two heads-lol. I have a sterling silver Hi-Wave for chamber music, and an NRS 1 for orchestra/solo performance. They're both great for different things. I've been thinking of trying wooden heads on it. Have you ever?

[elly4122]

Hi nina. thanks alot for your videos. Just one question. what is the fingering for doing A(b) trills?

[Aislinnmomma]

Try regular A(b), then wiggle left hand 2&3 for the low and middle A(b)

For high A(b), finger regular high A(b), wiggle trill keys 1&2 together. (These are if trilling from A(b) to B(b).)

[powellpicc1985]

Thank you SO much! I can't believe this has been up since March. How'd I miss it??? Anyway, THANKS!!

[DMVerno06]

So far I've only been working on the first 2 movements but I've read through the third a couple of times and I was wondering how I was ever going to figure the tremolo fingerings out without my professor from school, and I now I know! Thanks a ton!

[strav12]

I wish you would get signed up to do this concerto on cd! Hope you got over the cold or whatever you had while doing this. Aren't you just the flute martyr! Best.

[Rsmith19756]

I like the video and thnx for the help on the tremelo fingerings. I would like to know if you could do a video on Italian And Algeirs byG. Rossini. I really need help with those temelos at #7 and #30

[Lecmar91]

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[rardances]

I am finding your teaching thougtful, informative and very valuable. Thank you. Blessings.

You sound great and I love your horn.

[miamigurl123]

OMG, thank you for posting this! I haven't played this in a lesson yet, and I was wondering what the tremolos were.

I think you're the awesomest person ever now.

[DavidArchuletaLove28]

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[animeshorty003]

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[xFLUTEx123]

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[javijazztazz]

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