can somebody help me? i have downloaded ps2 system data and i also created ps2 internal memory card but i still cant play ps2 games on my ps3.. my ps3 is 320gb HDD :(
@bayandsl is it the slim model if so ur screwed just like me. the fat ps3 are the only ones that can play ps2 games and idk wut this guy did but i wouldn't do it.
@bayandsl The 60GB is the only official model that will play PS2 Games. these were then replaced with the 40gb, 80gb etc by Sony. I still have mine from the launch date here in NZ and still going strong and play PS2 games on it without any probs. What you could do is maybe find a 60gb model, clone the HDD to a 320 or 500gb HDD and swap this out if you are wanting more space. I have heard of people doing this and they have done it without any issues.
So yeah I'm getting sick of little attention whores like you, why don't you just continue doing what everyone else is doing and just waiting untill someone (like me) finds a new way to do things?
and to answer your latest reply, No my mother did not buy the playstation for me.
why don't you come over to nextgenupdate and ask for Oc LoG, i'll be happy to have a nice talk with you.
@TeamBilOc Who the fuck said I was talking to you in the first place? xD What a loser.
And I'm sorry to let you down like this, but you bitch are not clever enough to "find a way to do things". You're just another broke fat loser who thinks is smart, and wants to spend no money, and fucks up your ps3.
You know why whores like you does that? Cuz you're not the one who bought it! If you were the one who bought your ps3, you'd know how sick it is to open it up just to play burnt ps2 games.
idiot, only ps3 with BC compatibility can be modded to play pirated copies of ps2 games His ps3 is also BC, reason why he can try to play copied games.
God, you have to be either the most spoiled little fucking faggot, or just have a lot of money because your parents sued your neighbors because of a fake sexual harassment case against your neighbor on you, because for the price that it'd cost to potentially fuck up your PS3 to play PS2 games, you could simply buy a modded PS2... 4 of them at that, they're like $50 on craigslist.
@ecchibanzaii Oh, I see. It just would be ridiculous for someone to want to have to do this just to play a back up. And if I'm not mistaken (do not own any next gen system,) but I'm assuming there's already a new way to run back ups on PS3, eh? I mean, I'm still a PS2 junkie, so I stick with it. There's so many games on it that are still untouched by foreigners (in Japan at least.) I see new games released all the time here for PS2.
hey someone want game share??? i have all cod 5 map packs and more only what i fukkkkking want is RE VS!!! or RE 1,2,3 IF YOU ARE SPAMER WHO READING THIS KILL UR SELF HEHEHE my psn:kody1234 see ya
for some reason i cant hear anything hes saying, i have my volume all the way up and watched another video to see if it was my speakers but no. if someone could give me a play by play, it would be appreciated.
WTF man, why the hell would you want to do that to your ps3 just so you can play ps2 games. if you really want to play ps2 games then just use a ps2.
Guys don't copy what this retard is trying to do, its a lot cheaper to get a ps2 and play ps2 games rather than messing up your ps3 which costs a lot more.
its hard enough to find the ps3 thats going to have reverse cpabilities... like im going to open up my ps3 to play pirated and illegally downloaded games yeah right
LOL! swapping discs like this while the gaming machine is reading is very dangerous and has a very high probability that it can permanently damage your system! it's pretty amusing though how the person in the video is swapping discs! i couldn't stop laughing! but don't do it!
Is it true that if you play copied ps2 games in a ps3 console, sony blocks your machine from playing on online network?
Please respond to my comment
I want to buy a PS3 60 GB, but I heard a rumor saying that if I play copied ps2 games on a ps3 console, Sony blocks my ps3 from playing on online ps3 games
explain how youre going to play a dodgy copy ps2 game on a ps3 that is stripped of ps2 backward compat? YOU CANT! so come up with a new video.. one worth watching!!
that dumb method works on any system boot with original games like socom and than put the copy version of socom would still work but try dif games it wont
some ppl don't want to go threw the hassle of disconnecting the ps3 and connecting ps2 back and forth even so most people have a ps3 games and just because they have a ps3 don't mean they have to play ps3 games on it
no its not fucked, its called a playstation 3 with no cover on it.... it could get fucked up if its off to long becoz it wud get choked of dust and shit
Hackers have managed to reverse the code on the ECC protection on the PS3. The ECC protection basically kept the PS3 from booting with a custom flashed rom, with the ECC now claimed to be reversed, we can now generate custom ones to allow the rom to boot!?
dont get me wrong..im not trying to diss this video....but...why in the world would i take my Ps3 apart for to play backup only if i have to have the original copy?? ide understand if i didnt have to have the original and be able to play the backup...
is there ever going to be another console that has bc because in australia they dont sell ps3 80 or 60 gb. My ps2 just died and it was chipped so i have no use for the 59 burnt ps2 games i had. So thats why i need a 60gb ps3 so i dont have to throw all my ps2 stuff out.
@Brianpepperfan101 what a poser-faggot.
aztecterrorism 4 months ago
Heh, tube TV for ps3.
mrnachocheese 7 months ago
can somebody help me? i have downloaded ps2 system data and i also created ps2 internal memory card but i still cant play ps2 games on my ps3.. my ps3 is 320gb HDD :(
bayandsl 7 months ago
@bayandsl is it the slim model if so ur screwed just like me. the fat ps3 are the only ones that can play ps2 games and idk wut this guy did but i wouldn't do it.
kaiji 4 months ago
@bayandsl The 60GB is the only official model that will play PS2 Games. these were then replaced with the 40gb, 80gb etc by Sony. I still have mine from the launch date here in NZ and still going strong and play PS2 games on it without any probs. What you could do is maybe find a 60gb model, clone the HDD to a 320 or 500gb HDD and swap this out if you are wanting more space. I have heard of people doing this and they have done it without any issues.
BishopNZ01 2 months ago
okay well youre not a loser and your handy yes. but youre still a dumbass for ruining your ps3.
rundlej15 9 months ago
retard im gonna laugh when someone tries that and breaks their ps3
roxy1luver 11 months ago
Cuz it was his mommy who bought it for him. '-'~
MuchachoLoko90 11 months ago
@MuchachoLoko90
So yeah I'm getting sick of little attention whores like you, why don't you just continue doing what everyone else is doing and just waiting untill someone (like me) finds a new way to do things?
and to answer your latest reply, No my mother did not buy the playstation for me.
why don't you come over to nextgenupdate and ask for Oc LoG, i'll be happy to have a nice talk with you.
TeamBilOc 11 months ago
@TeamBilOc Who the fuck said I was talking to you in the first place? xD What a loser.
And I'm sorry to let you down like this, but you bitch are not clever enough to "find a way to do things". You're just another broke fat loser who thinks is smart, and wants to spend no money, and fucks up your ps3.
You know why whores like you does that? Cuz you're not the one who bought it! If you were the one who bought your ps3, you'd know how sick it is to open it up just to play burnt ps2 games.
MuchachoLoko90 11 months ago
@MuchachoLoko90
Incase you still don't realise I am the creator of the video..
I did buy it myself, and i did accomplish some things by disassembling it.
And yes, if i had lack of knowledge (like you it seems) i wouldn't have opened it, but i do know WHAT i am doing with it.
maybe you arent handy enough to do it?
And no i am not fat, and no loser either, come have a talk with me on nextgenupdate.
TeamBilOc 11 months ago
how much do you think he took apart his cat so he could play with his dead cat that died a few months ago. :D
TheGuitarkid15 1 year ago
@TheGuitarkid15
My cat is still alive and kicking mouse butt, thanks for the reply.
TeamBilOc 11 months ago
yeah, but how do play import games????
PadawanRJ 1 year ago
@screamwithouthead PS2 thing on the Playstation store... does it work for Import PS2 games???
PadawanRJ 1 year ago
@PadawanRJ PlayStation doesn't have PS2 games just a "Add ons PS2 installer" for PS3, the PlayStation has PS1 games
RivasJonathan775 1 year ago
suck my dig ps3 and ps2
ONIKdeftones 1 year ago
fuckin stupid ass ! just play ps3 games. there much bttae anyways !
DJSmileyWalrus 1 year ago
we can tell someone using a mod disc for socom: combined assault!
DarksideO1 1 year ago
this is to play COPIED ps2 games retards
ThePianoBro1 1 year ago
Does this work with 80 gig non bc capable phat?
TAMPATLBLACK 1 year ago
im not going to destroy my ps3 for THAT?!
BestclientPKplanet 1 year ago
ermm i have a 80 gb ps3 that plays ps2 games without any mods or anything..
Inferfire 2 years ago
idiot.. he is talking about pirated copies of ps2 games
00calvera 1 year ago
i know that's what hes talking about douche bag.
I'm just saying my PS3 is backwards compatible. Therefore no pirated copies are necessary idiot.
Inferfire 1 year ago
idiot, only ps3 with BC compatibility can be modded to play pirated copies of ps2 games His ps3 is also BC, reason why he can try to play copied games.
00calvera 1 year ago
no offense but you sounded like a complete halfwit in your first post... and your 2nd one made you sound like an emo girl on pms...
the whole video is about pirated games, so who gives a fuck what your trying to say
oh and btw you wouldn't of found this video easily if you didn't specifically look for pirated games... dumbass
LETHALA7zMOR 1 year ago
well were talking about burned and copied games :P
liIaznkid 1 year ago
@Inferfire yeah but this is how to play COPIED ,downloaded pw2 games on the ps3
lelliz1337 1 year ago
wo wow wo what r u doing stop it!
MenCap7 2 years ago 2
God, you have to be either the most spoiled little fucking faggot, or just have a lot of money because your parents sued your neighbors because of a fake sexual harassment case against your neighbor on you, because for the price that it'd cost to potentially fuck up your PS3 to play PS2 games, you could simply buy a modded PS2... 4 of them at that, they're like $50 on craigslist.
helgenx 2 years ago
In response to your deleted post.
I have a PS2, yet modded but I'm on it.
PS3 is still to pure to mess with IMO.
ecchibanzaii 2 years ago
@ecchibanzaii Oh, I see. It just would be ridiculous for someone to want to have to do this just to play a back up. And if I'm not mistaken (do not own any next gen system,) but I'm assuming there's already a new way to run back ups on PS3, eh? I mean, I'm still a PS2 junkie, so I stick with it. There's so many games on it that are still untouched by foreigners (in Japan at least.) I see new games released all the time here for PS2.
helgenx 2 years ago
I use PCSX2 for PS2 backups though:D
Tried Lucky Star on it, but it wasn't that fun.
But as said, I'll be modding my PS2 soon so that I also can take pleasure in playing on the console that has the largest game collection of all time.
ecchibanzaii 2 years ago
is there a MOD in ur PS3
Luke69PS3 2 years ago
yeah ,,, ur right,,,,,,,,
snafgan 2 years ago
denero1 shutup ur probably a kid urself........rett
ifhonehacker43 2 years ago
yawn most people dont have the money, most people who try this r kids so let them do what they do retards.
denero1 2 years ago
And some actually buy their stuff from their own money, instead of asking mom/dad to buy them what they want.
ecchibanzaii 2 years ago
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helgenx 2 years ago
Why the hell would you take your ps3 apart dip shit.
grutiy 2 years ago 5
fake
ali388 2 years ago
umm no?
TeamBilOc 2 years ago
All This Tells Me Crab
ELI27100 2 years ago
lol just buy a ps2 its sheep moron
correalex388 2 years ago
hey someone want game share??? i have all cod 5 map packs and more only what i fukkkkking want is RE VS!!! or RE 1,2,3 IF YOU ARE SPAMER WHO READING THIS KILL UR SELF HEHEHE my psn:kody1234 see ya
karel2223 2 years ago
just get the ps2 slim do the tape and tissue mod and buy the $20.00 disc that lets u play backups. don't risk your ps3 like this dumbass
Tekhn0 2 years ago
for some reason i cant hear anything hes saying, i have my volume all the way up and watched another video to see if it was my speakers but no. if someone could give me a play by play, it would be appreciated.
Bredification 2 years ago
hey i did what this guy did but my ps3 isnt working any more! its broken!
vamma92 2 years ago 2
cool good job, but i prefere getting a ps2 for 100$ i guess they also play the ps1 games :)
RunnersHighz 2 years ago
hey did you put the real disk of the game first and then waped it with the bootleg disk or can you use any disk that the ps3 can read first?
swordlord16 2 years ago
dude u fukd the shit out of your ps3
rashmudafukerz 2 years ago
WTF man, why the hell would you want to do that to your ps3 just so you can play ps2 games. if you really want to play ps2 games then just use a ps2.
Guys don't copy what this retard is trying to do, its a lot cheaper to get a ps2 and play ps2 games rather than messing up your ps3 which costs a lot more.
parthj92 2 years ago 16
Because if you do it like that you don't have to pay for the PS2 games, moron.
dratomik 2 years ago
@parthj92 your right dude who would do this to his ps3?! WtF?!
BestclientPKplanet 1 year ago
@parthj92 Ya your right
im not oppenig up a ps3 if i have a ps2 to play!!!
P.S. Do you gameshare???
MarioFetonix 1 year ago
@parthj92 messing up your ps3 costs money?
ryankoch38 1 year ago
I'd rather play my PS3 games than Totaly ruin my PS3
mgsisbest13 2 years ago 3
thats crazy fuck doing that your mad mate
dannyboiii19 2 years ago 2
wooo thats risky i wouldn't do that
DayVid456 2 years ago
Like me? Im 23 kid. By the look of your baby hands. You're balls havn't even droped yet.
So pointless to take apart a ps3 to play games that are pratically free now-a-days.
You fucking squid.
badassego 2 years ago
THAT ISN'T NICE, YOU BITCH!!!
Snakemast345 2 years ago
Fucking RETARD.
Yeah lets ruin our 400-600 dollar machines to play games that are a few dollars now on ebay.
Seriously kid. You are stupid.Buy a ps2 to take apart. Not the machine mommy and daddy bought you.
badassego 2 years ago
1st thing, I buy my own things, I'm not like you.
2nd. experimenting is part of this world.
3th. scared pussies will NEVER reach ANYTHING.
TeamBilOc 2 years ago
Ur a weak person, putting down a kid... saddens me...
Snakemast345 2 years ago
U R A FUCKING RETARD... HE IS JUST A KID!
Snakemast345 2 years ago
is this risky?
FaintSilence2009 2 years ago
Guys... Buy the game instead
OKStudios 2 years ago
Disc swapping is retarded. I'll ask a prefessional to install a modchip that lets you play PS2/PS1 games.
dreamkiller765 2 years ago
You don't have any clue what i am doing in this video..., it was made to show a way to use a modified disc of socom (to use hacks).
TeamBilOc 2 years ago
its hard enough to find the ps3 thats going to have reverse cpabilities... like im going to open up my ps3 to play pirated and illegally downloaded games yeah right
tmroxassora33 2 years ago
like hell im going to do that to my ps3 :|
psnlonewolf1994 2 years ago
thats fucking stupid. if you have the original game just play. WTF?!
BigPhil07 2 years ago
ur a dumbass for doing thAT to ur ps3
movieviewer13 2 years ago 2
ill buy a ps2 rather then doing that ....!!!
singhgauravpreet88 2 years ago
i'm not going to do that to my ps3!
gekky111 2 years ago 3
poor ps3
kyleB061 2 years ago
y wud u do that to ur ps3
realplayerabc 2 years ago 3
pooooooooor PS3 i'm going to cry
00HatakeKakashi00 2 years ago 3
is that 80gb ps3??or 60?
devilnotdante 2 years ago
60gb
sn00p7dogg 2 years ago
but.. the 60GB version CAN play ps2 games
123456789sha 2 years ago
Yes, it can.
Snakemast345 2 years ago
you dont need to start up the original game before swapping.
Kirazmaeux 2 years ago
but can u fix ur ps3
jinkazama2009 2 years ago
Man I feel more sorry for that valuable ps3 than that moron who destroyed it and voided out the warranty....
race4lyfe 2 years ago
OMG all this work to play some old PS2 games?
Beter to buy a 2nd hand ps2.
thiagogita 2 years ago
based on your tv, im guessing you prolly couldnt afford another ps3 if you fuckd it up
steveeeeboi 2 years ago
:) that's my good old television..
i made this video 2 years ago, look where i am now.
TeamBilOc 2 years ago
We can't see you...
and you opened up your playstation3 and voided the waranty 2 years ago?
darcyknox 2 years ago 2
yep, from the day i had my ps3
TeamBilOc 2 years ago
Uh just buy a ps2
Dousch 2 years ago
LOL! swapping discs like this while the gaming machine is reading is very dangerous and has a very high probability that it can permanently damage your system! it's pretty amusing though how the person in the video is swapping discs! i couldn't stop laughing! but don't do it!
jvkenshin416 2 years ago
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This is accually dangerous to your ps3!! Dont swap the discs quickly, youll regret it!
eganator4 2 years ago
That is accually dangerous to do that ( swap discs quickly). DO NOT DO IT, youll regret it!
eganator4 2 years ago
i don't want to rip my ps3 open , i would instead buy a used ps2
gauravdawg 2 years ago 3
@gauravdawg i rip my bong open
bustanutinyogut 1 year ago
Is it true that if you play copied ps2 games in a ps3 console, sony blocks your machine from playing on online network?
Please respond to my comment
I want to buy a PS3 60 GB, but I heard a rumor saying that if I play copied ps2 games on a ps3 console, Sony blocks my ps3 from playing on online ps3 games
MrEfgo 3 years ago
you're absolutely right buddy. Anything that will void out the warranty will block the system from playstation network...
race4lyfe 2 years ago
explain how youre going to play a dodgy copy ps2 game on a ps3 that is stripped of ps2 backward compat? YOU CANT! so come up with a new video.. one worth watching!!
emuholic 3 years ago
Lol That was original game
fuckersy 3 years ago
HHaa really cool I guess, I have alright 60gb backward ps2 work, omg u make still risk damage on your ps3??? awesome
ELEMENTYee 3 years ago
that dumb method works on any system boot with original games like socom and than put the copy version of socom would still work but try dif games it wont
supersouljah2000 3 years ago
NooBs!
Heretic210 3 years ago
lol
thats not my problem that you cant afford a ps3 game
cheap ass
WHISPERSPSP 3 years ago
some ppl don't want to go threw the hassle of disconnecting the ps3 and connecting ps2 back and forth even so most people have a ps3 games and just because they have a ps3 don't mean they have to play ps3 games on it
amexican777 3 years ago
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r u really fucking retarded
thats y u have a ps2
fuking retarded ass
and if u dont then fuk off thats not my problem u should of bought a 6ogig ps3
WHISPERSPSP 3 years ago
y would u even play ps2 games on ps3
thats y u got a ps3 to play ps3 games?
it called "common sense" and no retardeness
WHISPERSPSP 3 years ago
OMG WTF man u just fukd up a good ps3 rite there ....i wouldnt risk my ps3 just to play backup games on it !
hardcoredd12 3 years ago
Man thats just way to much trouble. I rather just use my ps2.
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lyoko321 3 years ago
ok sorry my bad this video was good i thought it was the other one so sorrry i never knew it was the same one ok? sorry
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voncolo 3 years ago
thanks for that :)
TeamBilOc 3 years ago
Hi, let's void our warranty today, boys and girls!
monkymonk6 3 years ago 2
you stuped fucking idiot i will never do that to my ps3 if you cant afford games dont fucking buy the console MOTHER FUCKER
ToPLebanesE 3 years ago 5
pussy ;)
TeamBilOc 3 years ago 2
Jesus you have to tear your PS3 a new asshole just to get it to play backups! no thanks man a paid alot for mine, not gonna risk it
metromantis 3 years ago 6
how many gb is that
prosoccerplayer1010 3 years ago
that ps3 is fuck up
vatilloillo 3 years ago 2
no its not fucked, its called a playstation 3 with no cover on it.... it could get fucked up if its off to long becoz it wud get choked of dust and shit
Robert1995 3 years ago
is it as easy as the ps2?
youneverheardofme 3 years ago
plz do dath agine withe sound
ishanbaba 3 years ago
do you have to do it on 40 g
x69Crunchyx 3 years ago
wow!!!!!!!!! very dumb!!!!!!!!!!!
istianEDGE 3 years ago 4
get a dog queerball
topherb420 3 years ago 2
thats gay man u can do that with ur ps1
muzzza 3 years ago
get sound on the video you cock jocky
AcousticNRG 3 years ago
im only giving it 1 star rating cuz i like cats noob
RunFlip 3 years ago
how do you remove the gray thing in your guide O.o
AkaStevie 3 years ago
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Hackers have managed to reverse the code on the ECC protection on the PS3. The ECC protection basically kept the PS3 from booting with a custom flashed rom, with the ECC now claimed to be reversed, we can now generate custom ones to allow the rom to boot!?
Greatwhite75 3 years ago
WTF NO SOUND?!?!
tonyisserious 3 years ago
coooooooool
wotkadan 3 years ago
dont get me wrong..im not trying to diss this video....but...why in the world would i take my Ps3 apart for to play backup only if i have to have the original copy?? ide understand if i didnt have to have the original and be able to play the backup...
thefatalist 3 years ago
you dont need the original ;) any ps2 disc will do :)
TeamBilOc 3 years ago
I would NEVER risk taking my ps3 apart just to play copied ps2 games.
p.s. your cat looks just like mine lol
pumpkinman420 3 years ago
tooooooooooooooo risky
uzman1243 3 years ago 2
hey great video can i ask a question how do u copy games like tht and how or were would i be able to modify my ps3
thugstyleagain 3 years ago
Wow, and you did this with 600$s of your own money or your parents? Either way, bravo... I'm sure as hell not pulling my PS3 apart.
Darthsikk 3 years ago
OMG took apart PS3 aint that kind risky LOLz
RoXas1093 3 years ago
socom ca nice
REDDEATH11223 3 years ago
i'm looking into which one i should buy for backwards compatibility in order for me to play socom just like you
dragonnite029 3 years ago
well in the 60 gb there is BC
TeamBilOc 3 years ago
can i ask you something since you reply to everyone, which PS3 version did you buy the 4ogig,60gig or the 80gig?
dragonnite029 3 years ago
60 GB ;)
TeamBilOc 3 years ago
60 gb
DafKenRuben 3 years ago
is there ever going to be another console that has bc because in australia they dont sell ps3 80 or 60 gb. My ps2 just died and it was chipped so i have no use for the 59 burnt ps2 games i had. So thats why i need a 60gb ps3 so i dont have to throw all my ps2 stuff out.
yorky321 3 years ago
so basically we need the original game to run the fake cd...
ti6i 3 years ago
no, you just need another disc (ps2) and swap it with it
oclog123 3 years ago
what an idiot, just buy a ps2 n play on that y destroy ur ps3 and plus u dont deserve one especially with a tv like that
bhangraboy420 3 years ago
ok so im an idiot?
your ps3 is full of crappy things you can't get out, i open my ps3 whenever i want to clean it...
oclog123 3 years ago
ps3 destroyed
Mortenzxremixx2 3 years ago
pussys
oclog123 3 years ago
lol, the furthest ill go to opening up my PS3 is if im going to swap the HDD.
Meevinman 3 years ago
another pussy, mommys boy
oclog123 3 years ago
and am I going to open my ps3 like that??
nooooo way...
:P
andreglehn 3 years ago
well it's your own choice, i don't need a fan test anymore now ;)
oclog123 3 years ago
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doodahdom 3 years ago
bla bla bla gjsfgdjgd...speak english fags
youngsimz187 3 years ago
well, this is my own vid FAG so i talk dutch when i want
dikke noob cod4 speler
oclog123 3 years ago
xD bwaa een beetje goed doen he
DafKenRuben 4 years ago
ja dat doe ik dus nooit met mijn ps3 anders gebeurd er hetzeflde als met mn lagswitch xD
dj0rich 4 years ago