Doctored BBC Scientology Panorama video

[lordspectre]

ha did that scumbag just say the american constitution states that a person has the right to beleive freely in their faith (key word being freely) the last time i checked scientolgy is not free

[ckturtle]

I agree...

[theabomb117]

"im angry.

real angry."

scientology smash! scientology bash!

and he never called scientology a cult. he said thats what some people have called it. he only started saying it after the guy got angry.

[soulinite]

wow, tommy davis sure is limp wristed.

[soulinite]

Co$ = Cult

Hail Xenu!

[Seriphyn]

"I-I can't be responsible for my actions". What a pretentious fuck.

[ckturtle]

I agree....

[pxe]

Yeah, strangely enough, I found the episode online after watching it on BBC, and I guess my version was distributed by a Scientologist, 'cos I noticed the difference immediately. He showed Scientology for what they are, and how they hate freedom of speech by pointing out that he has the right to report what other people are saying, so they obviously wanted it taken out.

[manan0nim0us4]

His name was Shawn Lonsdale. Never forget him.

[mrsheenbean]

sorry about the spacing below didn't know how that happened S:

[mrsheenbean]

Where was the difference? I couldn't see it S:

but yeh lets just all agree that scientology is not a cult or a religon. Its a club a very rich and opressive club but a club none the less

if we all just ignored the scientologists then they would eventually die out...but they want to make scientology the world's religon and it just aint gunna happen not with me anyway im always up for a fight xDxD

[shmickpingo1]

that scientology fag needs a good kick in the teeth

[angrydead]

Definatly a Cult cult cult cult culting cult in fact they're a right bunch of cults

[travelorian]

The Constitution also give freedom of press, Tommy. I'm scared Tommy. Please don't send Xenu after me.

[imyeabea]

i like how the scientology guy states that he is protected by the first amendment with religion. O wait it also states freedom of speech is in the constitution. And hold there is more....its illegal to spy on a foregin GOVERNMENTAL company due to foreign policy (in the section alien immunity)which was seen earlier in the documentary. Not only that but they got into the hotel's computer to find out where the BBC reporter was staying, which could be liable for a lawsuit.

[lordspectre]

bbc is not governmental its publicly owned by us the british public yet strangley we have to pay them the right to watch tv assholes lol but sumtimes they do good things like warn against cults like this

[emhex]

wow clearly edited Scientology is on the George Orwell tip....... the comments -- perhaps the same? People, its time to start acting like adults.

[Grevlle12945]

Having seen Sweeney in action on panorama since - he is confrontational and the program deliberately misrepresents information to make its sensationalist points that all is wrong...

I am not a scientogist or believer in bullshit by mouth on screen....

IMO The media is full of shit and I beg you to start a breakaway religion and call it bullshitmediaology...

[ichbinarbeiten]

Scientology is the only true church on the face of the earth. Just like Mormonism. They are both true. Leave them alone and quit calling Scientology a cult. Also Mormonism.

[Travt64]

how come I never see this video of Tom Cruise being replayed on tv. It's just plain funny. Buddy you got it , right here right now, I'm angry, real angry! rotfl!

[jpiccion]

That is Tommy Davis...not Tom Cruise. However, he is definitely trying to look like him

[sarahmbbc]

RESPONSE PART FOUR (final)

Both versions were edited down from the original soundtrack to ensure the clips were not overly long (we are talking about a difference of roughly six seconds). There was no invention of words - John said all of the above to Tommy Davis at the same time in the same setting. In no way does either version misrepresent what actually occurred. There was no intention to hide anything - as demonstrated by the fact that the clip was placed on YouTube.

[sarahmbbc]

RESPONSE PART THREE:

And in the actual programme there was a slightly different edited version:

Now my friend it is your turn to listen. No, it is your turn to listen to me. (cut) If people say to me that they think your...what you claim to be a religion is in fact a cult, I have a right to report that. I have got a right to report that Tommy.

[sarahmbbc]

RESPONSE PART TWO:

On YouTube there was a shorter, edited version:

Now my friend it is your turn to listen. No, it is your turn to listen to me. I am a British subject, not an American citizen and in my country we have the freedom of speech. (cut)

[sarahmbbc]

RESPONSE PART ONE

This is the original unedited transcript of John's words:

Now my friend it is your turn to listen. No, it is your turn to listen to me. I am a British subject, not an American citizen and in my country we have the freedom of speech. We have a freedom to speak and we exercise that freedom for centuries. And, if people say to me that they think your - what you claim to be a religion is in fact a cult, I have a right to report that. I have got a right to report that Tommy.

[Brainchild1]

Scientology the EVIL MONEY MAKING CULT THAT RUINS FAMILYS is now on its way OUT any one involved - who all know deep down its wrong now its your time to get out..

[KingStoph]

Scientologys just an old joke we cant get rid of

[RAQDES]

Youtube search.Tub3dyou

[MadisonLee555]

BBC Cuts Threaten News Meltdown

Hundreds of jobs face the axe as the corporation's director-general demands £4.5m in savings to cover the licence fee shortfall

James Robinson, media correspondent

Sunday June 3, 2007

The Observer

[RAQDES]

Follow the yellow brick road

[ChrisKalhoun]

Why are people so afraid to let people follow there own path ? Does this reporter have a right to report freedom of speach, absolutley. Does he have a right to spread hatred and attacks on someones beliefs, I think not. We all have a responsibility to express our beliefs in a constructive manor, this was clearly not a constructive manor and therefore the reporter was completely out of line.

[9AU1]

A mini Tom Cruise !!!! shit thats gonna be 1 small dude

[DaIrishGuy]

looks like a tom cruise mini me.

[9AU1]

hey tommy, u suck d??k. get ya head out of your ass dude and take off those shades chicken shit

[jetsetterjay]

what a coward walking away like that!!!!!!

[msuess]

Damn good find!

[boag]

stupid cult is brain dead

[RAQDES]

MANIPULATING CULT

[sezutimacek]

and yes...he's got the right to say what religion is...scientology ain't a religion...it's a cult full of lawyers witch is just trying to ger ritch in the name of religion. there is nothing about scientology that's religious.

[Docombs]

Who is the girl in the sunglasses? Man, she is ugly! Why is she trying to dress like a guy? And what's the deal about her getting upset that scientology is a stupid cult for weak minded people? I think she should get a life and move out of tom cruises basement! What a dork!

[nz2k2]

I've no doubt they DID doctor it, but this clip sounds like the doctored one. Does anyone know where the "proper" original is, because the apparently official version at watch?v=gE3Y4JwJ0jM has the doctored audio too

[Bonhomie88]

The BBC original video and transcript is on BBC's website at news(dot)bbc(dot)co(dot)uk.

Youtube so far as I found only has the Scientology altered version.

[daviesianto]

If you are a British resident you can sign the petition to stop the CoS from being becoming an officially recognised religion. Go to No 10's website, scroll down and click on 'petition the pm'

[asdadogs]

wow we must stop this from catching on!

[boowoojo]

I wonder, if R. Lon Hubbard's maxime "Make money and make more money" deserves to be called and treated as "religion". Fortunately German TV showed the case of Scientology-methods concerning the BBC reporter!

It was disgusting to see, how truth was manipulated by cutting!

[RightontheMark]

bye bye

[doford]

It's strange how there are alot of audio differences between different versons of the panorama stuff. Very weird.

[beckyfromkentucky]

Wow! The C of S video was pulled down! I hope they get sued for that stunt. Watxh their whole absurd video on Google.

[VinsonMD]

Where is it?

[Ultrasecond]

Hoooooly crap. I watched the real footage of this from the documentary on google video. Yeah, they really did doctor that shit. Wow.

[lexsum]

But if i, you or he thinks they are a cult that is allowed. It is not a new label for this sect.

[dampier]

Spend a weekend sometime with xenutv dot com and learn what so many of us understood already. The entire Scientology response, both on camera and off, is absolutely consistent with how they approach ALL of their critics. John Sweeney's screaming at Tommy was almost a perfect example of "tone 40."

The Scientology video edited out the comments about Scientology being a cult, BTW. That is what they were primarily objecting to.

[RightontheMark]

on the web, look at:

scientologytoday dot org/news

It's the Scientology newspaper showing church volunteers HELPING OTHERS ALL OVER THE WORLD!

Sweeney is a JOKE as a reporter.

[eggeggface]

You've got it the wrong way round.

[tigerboy1966]

If Sweeney is a joke, why did Tommy Davis run away from him, refuse to answer questions from him and resort to ab hominem arguments whenever things got tough. Sweeney destroyed Davis, and Scientology is a racket dreamed up by a cynical liar to fleece stupid rich people.

[handbanana999]

So why did Tom davis run away like a whiny bitch simply at the mention of the word "cult"?

[GlaForge]

No point crying about Tommy Davis and doctored videos to be honest.

Kill one devil and another will take his place. Same old bullshit since whenever.

[Rex2400]

"Well buddy, you got it, im angry, real angry"

If it was me, i would have stalked that motherfucking brainwashing fake-designer-sunglass-wearing bitch, popped hit in the face, dragged him into a van, off to a dark forest, get a big black dude from prison to rape his ass, and tie him too a tree and cut his eyelids off so he couldnt sleep.. Lets see hwo cares if youre angry or not now, you fuck :)

FUCK Scientology..

[clairiefaerie]

hell yeah! go rex, go rex! u took the words right outa my mouth. well said.

*****SCIENTOLOGY IS A CULT-U HAVE BEEN WARNED PPL*****

[JMLTL]

Proves how pathetic they are really doesn't it.

[lexsum]

This is doctored (the engine noise in the background proves it), but why?

[lexsum]

"If you want to make a lot of money, start your own religion."

- L. Ron Hubbard

[francesstevens]

Yes - You should check out the camera the Scientologists have that shows John's mouth moving and the original footage put on by the BBC that shows his saying "I'm a british subject" and ask the question - Why would the BBC doctor and fake their footage with voice overs that change what was actually said?

[eggeggface]

Listen to the obvious edit after "freedom of speech".

[sianXcore]

Scientology is a religion that is pointless and pathetic. It has no meaning whatsoever and is just as corrupt as the Christian and Catholic religion. I know my comments are offensive but I live in a free country and have the right to speak freely. Also, people were saying that John Sweeney should of been fired for this, I disagree with them. This documentary proves how stupid religion really is.

[saulgenesisfan]

i think every religion is corrupt, i'd like to know one that isn't.

[lordspectre]

wicca or buddism you choose lol they both practise free love and peace and dont have extremists or tell you everything is qa fuckin sin its all about your sence of morals

[Woodytigerbrecht]

Tommy Davis is the spokesperson for the 'Churh' of Scientology. Good job Tommy for making the 'Church' look insane, paranoid and schizophrenic. Of course LRH was insane, paranoid and schizophrenic too....

[wanbegok]

propaganda. waste of my 1.21 mins.

[overcome85]

"Ruined lives. Lost fortunes. Federal crimes. Scientology poses as a religion but really is a ruthless global scam -- and aiming for the mainstream"

-L.Ron Hubbard

[artberry]

Which ever way one looks at this the fact is Scientology is not officially recognised as a religion in the UK. That's nothing to do with John Sweeney, the BBC, or Panorama. Tommy Davis's comments were irrelevent and culturally bigoted and insulting to the British people. He couldn't have done a better demolition job in regard to any respect people might have had towards Scientology or the chances of official recognition if he's been paid.

[POSTHUMANPASK]

i've seen the complete footage of this unedited, and the report went on for weeks, not just ths footage here. the church of scientology has edited versions and released them on the web in an attack to try and discredit the bbc reporter. the reporter was staked by tommy and his 'people' for the entire length of the investigation, and anyone not from the cult was whom he interviewed was also investigated by the cult.

[saulgenesisfan]

that's correct. they were spied on at the hotel they were staying at, followed by cars, and saw several people that kept following them around. coincidence? oh, no! they were being harrassed by the church.

[TaliskerSmoke]

Looks like Scientology has to do some damage limitation due to the coverage this item has. They put their version on youtube to discredit John Sweeney infact it has had the opposite effect and exposed what a creepy organisation they are

Time to roll out one of their Hollywood celebs for a wedding or a birth eh?

And doesn't Tommy Davis look like he's another member of the Mapother clan?

[bernardevans]

CULT: These $cientologists are creepy and scary.rilliant job by Sweeny and the outburst brought the dangers of the cult to more people attention. One guy here in Ireland was in the cult and went mad in the end. He used to beg is to do ome of yhose stress tests, and then he was banned by the local pet shop as he had bought Goldfish and left them on the path outside claiming they didnt need water...it was all in their mind??? CULT CULT CULT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[poledus]

Scientology is being ruthless in its expansion around the world in terms of brainwashing people to give it money. It doesnt teach blind faith in the way which Jesus Christ taught us, and for anyone who turns away from the pure proven good that jesus is for the narrow minded selfishness that Scientology teaches. SCIENTOLOGY TEACHES PEOPLE TO BE FOR THEMSELVES

JESUS TAUGHT US TO BE FOR EACH OTHER. NEVER FORGET THAT.

[zutroy85]

As soon as Sweeney turns his back to the camera, they go and do this so that we can't see his lips moving? Very clever CoS, thankfully you're not as smart as you think!

Do any rationally-thinking people here thinks the BBC were the ones who doctored their version, and that this is the true one? No? Thought not

[blackpanorama]

Thin twice and compare the versions. Who profits from this fake audio "swapping"? The BBC, not Scientology.

[bicsmokescrack]

How could the BBC possibly profit from the removal of it's own reporters comment, which was actually aired unedited?

[Chrispy7]

What are you talking about? Do you really think people should believe a self professed Sceintologist like you who has posted countless Scientology propagandist videos.

[brainwashingcult]

Please explain what the BBC would possibly gain from editing and releasing two versions of the same clip? Seems a rather far fetched notion! In addition you do realise the BBC is a public broadcast corporation so doesnt benefit financially from ratings. You really have no clue do you!

[saulgenesisfan]

thats where your wrong, it's scientology that benefit from fake audio swapping. in the eyes of the church, everything has to go their own way.

[OpenComments]

@blackpanorama

Scientology is a confused concoction of crackpot, dangerously applied psychotherapy, oversimplified, idiotic and inapplicable rules and ideas and science-fiction drivel that is presented to its members (at the "advanced" levels) as profound spiritual truth.

[madbusdriver]

Strange that the journalist isn't facing the camera when he says this, I wonder what a lip reading expert would make of it, if we saw his face. Maybe that's why scientology needs its money - to pay for the private hire and fancy computer software.

[robwho2]

Hilarious.

Before last night I was very open-minded on Scientology, and didn't really have any opinion either way. Now I can see they are bullies who appear to be acting for nothing other than profit. The way they acted in last nights documentary was discusting (with the exception of the celebrities.. just a pity we couldn't hear them and hear the other side of the argument).

[Pickers1988]

all its about is bloody money. people who are involved in this CULT are just obviously retarded in some respects. well look at the celebrates their not excatly smart are they very bad role models for people as well. it just makes me sick that CULTS like that even exist. its bloody disgraceful

[GoaTseTung]

Calling CoS a cult is giving them too much credit. It's a scam.

[blackster999]

Thats creepy, stupid geek cult , I prefer Jedi myself.

[pinkelephants12]

thats amazing you noticed that.. you can hear the squeek where its been edited..

[taylor2007x]

I watched the YouTube vids first and just couldn't understand why Sweeney would retort with "I'm a British subject" etc. Then I saw the Panorama and it all became clear: The OSA psychos doctored the vids they posted, what devious evil b'stards!!!

[scafool]

Scientology is a cult. There are good reasons to suspect that they have killed people.

[blackpanorama]

I bet someone in the BBC faked it.

[LethbridgeStewart]

Call me a bigot, but I tend to trust the BBC more than the Church of Scientology.

[brainwashingcult]

a) Why would the BBC do that? b) Why are you the only voice of decent? Oh is it perhaps becaus eyou are a self confessed Scientologist who has spread their Scientology propaganda over youtube!?

[theiradvocate]

i noticed that the original video on youtube had been doctored because it didn't make sense when sweeny said "i have a right to report that". right to report what?

well, now that i've seen the panorama video, it's clear that what had been cut out was the context -- that sweeny had the right to report that *others* called CoS a cult.

[theboy01]

We live in the dark ages...where people find falsehood more appealing...I feel sorry for those poor misguided duleded fools that fall victim to this C.U.L.T, let me repeat that, C.U.L.T...Who are just after money! They need more converts but they are gettin exposed, they want safety in numbers so they can feel as though there opinions are correct through the concensus of the masses..they are FALSE.

[bonchbonch]

Scientologists are taught to use any means necessary to destroy critics. They think all critics are criminals funded by psychiatrists. Pretty goofy stuff.

[brainwashingcult]

The video clips from Scientology and BBC differ in the audio track.

The BBC audio track goes as follows:

"No it's your turn to listen to me, if people say to me that they think that you're what you claim to be a religion is in fact a cult, I've got a right to report that."

Version on YouTube:

"No it's your turn to listen to me, I'm a British subject, not an American citizen, and in my country we have a freedom of speech, I've got a right to report that."

[drewsmilitia]

These freaks will stoop to any level to discredit their critics. The more I see of these vids, the more I think Sweeney is an entirely rational man, who did well not to punch that obnoxious little git.

[sirandrew89]

It really is disgusting what lengths these scientology nuts will go to attempt to destroy their critics.

With respect mr "brainwashingcult" I strongly doubt that what you claim to be the original track from the interview ever existed and while doctoring of interviews is a practice of the states its not the sort of thing we do in this country.