That is a pity .. No part 2 missing one of the greatest entrances of all time. Eleanor of Aquitaine. The greatest woman of her or any time for that matter.
For my part, I think Henry secretly wants Richard on the throne, but he knows if he makes him the heir then the other two will gang up on him with Phillip, and put John on the throne (while Geoff rules). He knows that if he makes John the heir, then Richard will fight like hell to get the crown. Richard clearly gives everything he's got to getting what he wants, but does not fight as hard to keep the things he has, as will be illustrated in the next few parts.
i though this was a good movie, but i have two questions that kep bugging me. What was alais's motivaton throughout the movie cuz she just seemed kinda there and used and also why does henry want john to be kind when it seems like his brothers are stronger and smarter? if someone could help me with these it would be greatly appreciated
Alais is pretty much playing her part in the times as a young female noble who has more worth as symbol of lands and alliances than as a male who could be an influence and power of his own (Eleanor is a good example of a female noble with power and influence of her own). She loves Henry, but is really just letting her emotions guide her, because anyone of that time would know she would have to marry whomever was going to get the throne, regardless of her own desires.
My own theory on Henry's preference for John is that his being the youngest (and still living under Henry's roof), leaves him as the one Henry can still influence the most before giving up the throne. Geoffrey and Richard are more tied to Eleanor and her influence, and had previously tried to rebel and overthrow him by force. It's ego, really. Rather than have the "better king" he wants to choose the future king, as well as spite his former betrayers. But that's the English nobles.
@RandyRR4 Re: the Lion in Winter. Alais wants Henry, pure and simple. She's his mistress and knows she can never be his wife, but she wants to continue their liaison as long as possible. She's also a chattel, a pawn, a political weapon in the hands of her brother King Phillip and her lover King Henry, and she's trying hard to be her own person and failing miserably, because politics and love do not mix and she is, as GeofRoseFilm pointed out, a noblewoman of her time.
A bit of a goof here. Although a fir tree has been associated with Christmas since the 7th/8th centuries, the tradition of actually decorating such an evergreen tree at Christmas didn`t start until the 15/16th centuries. The Lion in Winter is set during the Christmas of 1183, i.e. the 12th century. An easy mistake for the researchers to make I suppose. Only a little difference of 300/400 years. I guess the history experts didn`t bother to check their facts as usual.
The newer version slows the dialog down a bit...I think that's the only thing I like about that new version.
thesneads3 5 days ago
am I the only one who thinks the actor playing Geoff looks like Theon Greyjoy? two poor sods...:)
indianachel 3 weeks ago
How O'Toole didn't win an Oscar for this is a crime against art.
PBezuhkovIII 1 month ago
"Well...What shall we hang? The holly, or each other?"
Love that line :)
Anathar88 2 months ago
The only one who hates Richard for being a homosexual is Richard.
ericberner 2 months ago 2
That is a pity .. No part 2 missing one of the greatest entrances of all time. Eleanor of Aquitaine. The greatest woman of her or any time for that matter.
globalman 3 months ago
I had forgotten how much I Love this movie. I remember see this when it first came out. God I'm getting Old::))
Mr1958louief 6 months ago 3
"Good, that will make this pleasanter." :D What a woman.
DinoAgent69 8 months ago 14
@DinoAgent69 Eleanor is the one person from history I'd like to meet most. Greetings from France.
CuteCatFaith 2 months ago
in my point of view, Henry hates Richards, because he is a homossexual
Frey005 1 year ago
@Frey005 nope.
tedwilli9 10 months ago
For my part, I think Henry secretly wants Richard on the throne, but he knows if he makes him the heir then the other two will gang up on him with Phillip, and put John on the throne (while Geoff rules). He knows that if he makes John the heir, then Richard will fight like hell to get the crown. Richard clearly gives everything he's got to getting what he wants, but does not fight as hard to keep the things he has, as will be illustrated in the next few parts.
Rennimagus 1 year ago
"This is all crap, written after the fact! Typical BBC, promotion for Lizzie Kingdom!"
Grifiki 1 year ago
i though this was a good movie, but i have two questions that kep bugging me. What was alais's motivaton throughout the movie cuz she just seemed kinda there and used and also why does henry want john to be kind when it seems like his brothers are stronger and smarter? if someone could help me with these it would be greatly appreciated
RandyRR4 1 year ago
@RandyRR4 king*
RandyRR4 1 year ago
@RandyRR4
Alais is pretty much playing her part in the times as a young female noble who has more worth as symbol of lands and alliances than as a male who could be an influence and power of his own (Eleanor is a good example of a female noble with power and influence of her own). She loves Henry, but is really just letting her emotions guide her, because anyone of that time would know she would have to marry whomever was going to get the throne, regardless of her own desires.
GeoffRoseFilm 1 year ago
@RandyRR4
My own theory on Henry's preference for John is that his being the youngest (and still living under Henry's roof), leaves him as the one Henry can still influence the most before giving up the throne. Geoffrey and Richard are more tied to Eleanor and her influence, and had previously tried to rebel and overthrow him by force. It's ego, really. Rather than have the "better king" he wants to choose the future king, as well as spite his former betrayers. But that's the English nobles.
GeoffRoseFilm 1 year ago 4
@RandyRR4 Re: the Lion in Winter. Alais wants Henry, pure and simple. She's his mistress and knows she can never be his wife, but she wants to continue their liaison as long as possible. She's also a chattel, a pawn, a political weapon in the hands of her brother King Phillip and her lover King Henry, and she's trying hard to be her own person and failing miserably, because politics and love do not mix and she is, as GeofRoseFilm pointed out, a noblewoman of her time.
TheShirEl 6 months ago
great script, great actors... I love this movie :)
Schattenboxerin76 1 year ago
"I don't much like our children!" The dialogue is both wicked and delicious!
JESSJUSTJESS 1 year ago 9
i looooooove the "bitch wit"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1classicliberal 1 year ago
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A bit of a goof here. Although a fir tree has been associated with Christmas since the 7th/8th centuries, the tradition of actually decorating such an evergreen tree at Christmas didn`t start until the 15/16th centuries. The Lion in Winter is set during the Christmas of 1183, i.e. the 12th century. An easy mistake for the researchers to make I suppose. Only a little difference of 300/400 years. I guess the history experts didn`t bother to check their facts as usual.
alanth252 1 year ago
Biting wit delivered with such relish. These are actors
BTURNER1961 1 year ago 3
@BTURNER1961 The "biting wit" is as good as it is in the Taming
of the Shrew. nice comment. :)
gwatson678 1 year ago
timothy dalton was a cool dude. good actor
ShawDAMAN 1 year ago 2
Awww poor Geoff!
FelicityCatherine 1 year ago 15