@TheTcorps Abortion is not the issue here; the issue is religious indoctrination and its traumatizing/debilitating effects.
Abortion could be illegal and religious indoctrination would still be harmful to children. Your argument is a massive Red Herring.
I condemn all religious ideologies generally and equally, but since we live in America, a country that is predominantly Christian, the Christian religion is the one that I talk about the most.
@TheTcorps This show and its participants oppose all religious indoctrination, not just that of the Westboro Baptist Church or other 'nutjobs'. Religious indoctrination is harmful in that it can insert genuinely harmful (Christian Science's ban on blood transfusions) and thoroughly backwards (there is a magic man in the sky who watches everything you do) ideas into the brains of children before they have the capacity to think critically. That's the harm of religious indoctrination.
@humanist7117 1st-Christianity is the most popular religion in the world. 2nd-Most famous outspoken atheist are former christians who live in 1st world countries with large christian populations(e.g. US or UK) where seperation of church and state is mostly encouraged. Because of their christian experiences, they know how to think like christians and what to expect from them, which makes arguing against christianity and it's flaws easier for them, than any other religion.
Ohhh fuck, people need to let their children decide their own religion or their own beliefes, leave your kids alone...let them think for themselves......btw, have you threatened YOUR children with eternal hell-fire and god's "compassion" today???
im 13 years old. my parents try to raise me christian, and for years i followed it. i used to have nightmares about hell and the rapture/being left behind, and everytime i did, my parents would tell me it was a revelation from god. but now i know that christianity is basically people being scared and brainwashed into believing horrible lies
@NonPointRulz101 I gotta be honest here; I'm Christian too but I was fortunate to have good people as religious teachers growing up. Most folks are jut as lucky. Some folks just get delt a bad hand sad to say. But despite that I know a great deal of the hypocricy in the church and the bible so I take them with a grain of salt.
@NUTCASE71733 Well, I made that statement 2 months ago, and now I've matured a bit. I still don't agree with Christianity or its doctrines, but to go as far as to call it a belief system of hatred is not really correct. Yes, there are many radicals in this belief system(Pat Robertson, Fred Phelps, etc), but there are also moderates who don't share the exact same beliefs as the radicals.
But I can only respect the moderates, such as you :)
@NUTCASE71733 Well keep thinking for yourself and you'll soon be an atheist. The fact that there is zero evidence for god might be a clue that he doesn't exist... just as unicorns don't exist as there is no evidence for them either.
Hey dumbass, if you didn't read exactly what I was saying, here's a hint: "NOT ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE CREATIONISTS". I really really do not appreciate the personal attacks, so back the hell off.
i was brought up in a fairly lightweight catholic tradition, the vision of hell for the nasty ones was merely mentioned, never stressed upon. i still had nightmares about it, was terrified and certain i wasn't good enough to be saved. i can't even imagine how it must be for kids brought up in more militant kind of faith.
the moment i realized that's all a lie i felt an indescribable relief.
i'm simply astounded that people can tell their children that if they don't believe something with no tangible evidence that they'll face eternal damnation in a pit of fire experiencing infinite amounts of pain and suffering while being prodded by 1 million degree forks while satan tortures your soul...
it's a million times worse than any horror movie imaginable by any human being, religion is a scar on the face of humanity and the sooner we abolish it, the better...
Can anyone fathom how exquisitely difficult life is when experiencing such trauma at the hands of your loved ones? The daily chaos that ensues when one is terrified of an omniscient bully judging your every decision, action or thought. The incalculable damage that one bears on the psyche. I am such a person! The only saving grace as it were, was to employ education and self-acceptance. I am now an atheist and trust this to be true, I am not afraid anymore!!!! Operor non puto!
@notfarfromhome Very true. I spent a good part of my childhood having trouble sleeping at night, praying and asking god not to be mad at me for whatever trivial childhood mistakes and wrongs I might have done that day. That's no way for a child to grow up.
Children know they will die someday, thats pretty scary and very possibly "traumatizing" as well....
Blaming religion for bad parenting is a cop out. If a child was neglected by parents who were constantly working, do you blame "work"?
There are many many instances where children that were not raised in religious families demonstrate the same symptoms as the subject in the start of the video, and many children who were raised in religious homes that don't.
Let's encourage YouTubers to post videos that DIRECT PEOPLE to some of the many SOLUTIONS for the world's flaws, instead of proliferating appaling rubbish.
Broadcasting BETTER WAYS of thinking and living is the way to make people think in the RIGHT DIRECTION.
Let's exert our influence in useful ways.
>>>IF YOU AGREE, FEEL FREE TO COPY AND PASTE IT ANYWERE YOU WANT TO ON THE WEB;
@RafaKBLudo The two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Encouraging reason and critical thinking can often undermine religious belief and in doing so be called anti-religious as a result of its effect. Whether or not it is intended that way is specific to the person making the argument.
That being said, reason and critical thinking do tend to discourage blind faith and mythological belief, so I guess the ultimate result is probably more often than not anti-religious. That bothers me not.
@GermanChocolateCake You got your head on place and that makes things easier. They're sure not necessarily mutually exclusive. I just rather create/show/offer better options other than just destroy the only option they can see and understand. It's about evolution of thought. There's no need at all to spend time and energy to destroy the last step to move up and forward on the ladder.
Anyway, I'd better take my own advice to heart right now and just fuel the solutions myself.
@RafaKBLudo Some times it does take baby steps. It did with me. I slowly migrated out of religious belief by slowly allowing myself to ask the hard questions that my religion was trying very hard to discourage, but had always been with me from the moment religion started teaching me its beliefs.
Now I find it dismaying to recognize that I had ever been gullible and irrational enough to ever have bought in to any of it.
How could I be so blind? I used to be a foolish atheist, but now I've seen the light. He has touched me with his noodly appendage as his pastafarian children flew down from the gates of heaven. I know now that the flying spaghetti monster is the light.
I remember how traumatized my grandson was about hearing in his christian preschool about the ultimate reality of death. His parents aren't religious. He's been in public school since 6. I was pissed when I heard that they taught him about the nailing on a cross. He was just five, but at 10 now still suffers with nightmares and insecurity when his parents aren't home. The other day he mentioned hell, I told him there's no such thing, just another one the many lies you'll hear in this life.
WOW I never really thought of it this way but now that I DO think of it I have severe anxiety and now that I heard this video I realized that most of my anxiety was based around death and the end of my life, which was brought about by my religious upbringing.
No child at the age of 6 should be having anxiety attacks thinking about being in a coffin at an old age. If it wasn't for religion I proly wouldn't have been thinking about such things at that age it's just disgusting!!!
As a child, I had at least one nightmare where I was walking with my family in our backyard, together for the last time, for we were all on our way to hell.
Preaching at a vacation bible school, which was not of the dramatic 'fire and brimstone' variety, but nonetheless quite damaging, inspired that.
Telling children these stories is abusive, yet many of the adults who relate these ideas are folks who never recovered from it themselves, not knowing what they do.
majority of the christian churches are infested with lies and deceit, number one is the catholic and church of england. their teachings do not reflect God's word but their own egos like what you are. please dont call the kettle black when you pot are the same. don't go around blaming God because of your and their ignorance.
Fantasma: It looks like a pacific northwestern mom-vest. Moms wear that kind of thing in some parts of the country to ward angry moose away from their children.
Part of this statement is based on part of a fact.
thank you for touching upon this topic. I was born and raised a mormon. It was quite unhealthy. I learned that peace, happiness, and justice all happen in heaven. Pain and misery happen on earth.
I developed suicidal tenancies by the time I was nine years old.
After all, why wait for happiness?
I remember trying to take my own life on several occasions for this very reason.
over the years I realized how wrong my upbringing was.
that sort of indoctrination, in the future, will be legally recognized as child abuse. Using fear in such a cruel way to ruin someone childhood and make them live in constant fear that every action is going to offend an invisible man in the sky.. i'd slap the shit out of those parents.
No idea, but this is not the religion of the Bible, as what they're doing is not the biblical way. They may have used and read the bible, yes, but they were clearly picking out the bits that suited them. Kids shouldn't be scared to that extent. Probably a case of bad judgement from the parents as to how far they could push scaring her as well.
Since according to the story she came from an "end-times" hope, yeah I agree. But jsut remembering myself when i heard about hell in bible classes when i was little i was freaked. As mentioned in the video, i dont thikn you can present hell to a kid in a "nice way", unless you just ignore it, however then YOU are picking & choosing by only talking about the "nice parts" of, lets say, christianity; & are getting them into something without giving the full picture.
I don't shirk from telling people about hell, far from it. It's a danger that people need to warned of. But it's stupid to notify someone of a peril and not tell them the way out if you know it yourself. Christianity's main focus is on salvation from that hell. That's why the message should not be 'You'll brun in hell' but 'as you are, you are eternally damned, but there is a way out through Jesus'.
" notify someone of a peril and not tell them the way out if you know it yourself."
What if the child has a friend who does not believe? Like with the girl in the story who was worrying herself sick over her close people that did not accept God?
"Christianity's main focus is on salvation from that hell. "
Which their same loving* God created in the 1st place.
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Yes, but we turned away from God and rebelled against his rule. When Adam disobeyed him, he was acting for the entire human race. By rights, God should have just thrown us all into hell and dust his hands, but he loved us so much that he let us live and gave us a chance to return to him. Adult Christians worry about the souls of their friends, as do I, but *we* cannot turn them to God, and we find comfort in the fact that whatever happens, God is in control.
So you believe in the literal Genesis story of talking snakes, knowledge trees & etc?
"God is in control"
So when a person does not turn to god & consequently goes to hell (if you believe in "saved by faith alone") it is because God wishes it to be so & made it so. What are the people punished in hel for them?
also, the Bible claims in 1st Corinthians 12, if Im not mistkane, that faith is given by the holy spirit, how can ppl be punished for smth they dont control
When a man turns away from God, and remains that way, he chooses to do so of his own will. When a man turns back to God and is converted into a Christian, only God's grace made that possible, yet they also come to God of their own free will. The only one to resbonsible for good things happenning is God and the only one to blame for failures is man and his sins. This sounds like moving the goalposts to suit one's own side, but it is the simple truth. Millions of Christians can vouch for it.
The right one. But that is almost never the case that brings about a conversion to christianity. The true choice a person on the verge of converting to christianity faces is 'are you willing to to do things God's way instead of your way from now on? willing to place God as the most important thing in your life? wiling to bow to his Lordship and accept your sins'. Most people do not want someone telling them what to do and telling them they're a sinner, that is the true reason why atheism exists
But it isn't TRULY free will! If I put a gun to your head and said "give me your money or I'll shoot you. But I love you as a person so I give you the free choice to not. Of course if you make THAT choice I'll put a bullet in your brain, but it's your choice, free and clear". That's crap and you know it.
And you are presupposing so many things. First, I take great offense at your implication that I am an atheist because I want to sin. I'm an atheist because I see no testable, empirical...
evidence (that can withstand logical scrutiny) for the existence of a god. See, no god, no sin, no need for redemption, etc. You are also presupposing that if there is a god, that it's the god of christianity.
Why do I take such great offense? Because given the powers christians claim their god has, I would do so much more good with them. Your god is cruel, petty, megalomaniacal, bloodthirsty, prudish, indifferent to suffering, and a bully (just to point out a few of his traits).
His "love" is like that of a controlling, abusive husband or parent. So many of his traits and behaviors would be recognized in a person as abhorrant, but because it's "god", we suddenly say it's right? That's BS.
1. I have no COMPELLING EVIDENCE to believe in a god
2. I have no reason to presume that if a god exists that it is the christian god
3. Your god is despicable
4. You need to quit subscribing to the ideas and prejudices of primitive Bronze Age prudes and hoisting them upon others
5. What sense does it make to place the blame on me for the actions of someone else? If your grandfather had committed a murder, would it be fair and just if we had punished you for that crime also?
6. If your god is so omniscient, then the whole thing would be a set-up. It would have known Adam and Eve would sin, and the choice that every human would make. Therefore, free will is impossible
7. Why did god require a blood sacrifice of himself TO HIMSELF?
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And, you'd do more good if you had God's powers? I doubt it somehow. God didn't even have to let us live. When Adam sinned, he committed THE sin. There is only one sin, and that is to turn away from God, either by disobeying him or by putting something else before him in your life. These rules are completely impossible to keep, therefore everyone is a sinner. That's why he provided a way for sin to be forgiven, through his grace and love. God does knows what is best for us. You don't.
Yes, I would. For starters, I wouldn't require the death penalty for EVERY human being who ever would be for the crime of ONE (or two) person(s).
If I had to die and STAY dead in order to save all of humanity, I'd do that too. Wouldn't need that reassurance of coming back to life (what kind of sacrifice is that, anyway?)...
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No evidence for the existence of God? Then what other explanation do you have? And I'm not saying that I base my Christian faith on a 'delete the impossible and take what's left' basis. Look at the complexity and beauty of the universe, from the impossibly complex ligaments of the hand on your mouse to the delicate balance which our world needs to sustain life. That world has a creator. No other explanation will stand up to close scrutiny.
Well, free will is the ability to choose wrongly after all. But since you use your free will to ignore the danger, it's like you will the gun to disappear, to use your earlier metaphor. Which is a faulty metaphor because the danger of hell isn't nearly as clear and obvious as a gun. And people reason that hell is a long way away even if it does exist, so they don't consider it as an immediate threat, unlike, e.g. a gun to the head.
Trust me, it's obvious, because most people have heard of a hell, and many of them believe in it as a real place, so fear of hell IS an immediate threat. It's also torture, because so many people live their lives feeling guilty and that they are going to hell when they die. Horrible.
from my experience when i was a christian i can say hell really is scary and sometimes the feeling your about to get judged by god can be worst, this awful feeling of fear , depression and non peacefully was more immediate when i couldn't fight against the need to release sexual stress trough masturbation. (and yeah u know how masturbation is condemned in most christian denominations) and there are other examples too.
oh sure i was and very fundamental and there was a 3 year lapse of my life that i felt very connected to the "word of god" i accepted Jesus in a very sentimental praying , baptized in waters and spirit but now i understand it was only in my mind there wasn't any supernatural power there
yes i did, u get to a moment of feeling in peace with the being of "god" you create in your mind , i did shake all the way around during intense praying but after seeing the explanations from psychology about how the human brain be susceptible to all this intense meditations and rational thinking i had to be honest with myself and accept the reality that we live in, it was hard i had to surpass the fear of god and the devil in my head , after that everything is clear
Oh bullshit. Your god is a monster. Keeping people alive forever through a miracle for no other reason but to experience pain is not "love". It takes tremendous cognitive dissonance to reconcile love and eternal torment, in fact it takes an Orwellian mindset.
I marvel that you people call your religion "good news". Good news. Yeah, right. Don't piss on my back and tell me its raining.
Love and hell are compatible. Because we turned from God, hell is what we deserve. But God loved us so much, he provided a way for us to come back to him, and even gives us the status of his children even after we turned away from him. We are the guilty party and we deserve to burn. God didn't have to, but he provided a way out of this terrible fate for us, sacrificing his son in the progress.
The only difference I see is that cults have a definite leader who is accessible by the community (because it's usually small). Most importantly, cults have such leaders that take advantage of their followers in more ways than just money donations.
"What is the difference between a cult & religion to you?"
Just wanted to answer this question from personal experience (my father and uncle = religion and cult respectively). On paper the two ideas seem almost identical, but meeting the results of each in person shows stark differences.
Cults will drastically change an adherent to the point of being unrecognizeable, whereas those who enter a religion are about as closed-minded and intolerant going in as they are coming out.
@TheTcorps The TCorps has the intellectual prowess of a retarded lemur.
TheGeneralCritic 1 month ago
@TheTcorps Abortion is not the issue here; the issue is religious indoctrination and its traumatizing/debilitating effects.
Abortion could be illegal and religious indoctrination would still be harmful to children. Your argument is a massive Red Herring.
I condemn all religious ideologies generally and equally, but since we live in America, a country that is predominantly Christian, the Christian religion is the one that I talk about the most.
TheGeneralCritic 1 month ago
@TheTcorps Someone's got a real persecution complex, or is simply trolling.
Akira625 1 month ago
@TheTcorps This show and its participants oppose all religious indoctrination, not just that of the Westboro Baptist Church or other 'nutjobs'. Religious indoctrination is harmful in that it can insert genuinely harmful (Christian Science's ban on blood transfusions) and thoroughly backwards (there is a magic man in the sky who watches everything you do) ideas into the brains of children before they have the capacity to think critically. That's the harm of religious indoctrination.
TheGeneralCritic 1 month ago
@TheTcorps It is because you have a skewed perceptoin of what "liberals" do, and do not, do.
1stCainite 1 month ago
Christianity is not the only religion on earth. I wish American and Western atheists and
others of like mind would acknowledge this and include it in their reasoning.
humanist7117 9 months ago
@humanist7117 1st-Christianity is the most popular religion in the world. 2nd-Most famous outspoken atheist are former christians who live in 1st world countries with large christian populations(e.g. US or UK) where seperation of church and state is mostly encouraged. Because of their christian experiences, they know how to think like christians and what to expect from them, which makes arguing against christianity and it's flaws easier for them, than any other religion.
biggsleezy 2 months ago
So sad that so many tainted people dont realize that pshyciatry that they adhere to is the same carnivorous leapord just having changed it's spots.
Hadesofthe07 1 year ago
Ohhh fuck, people need to let their children decide their own religion or their own beliefes, leave your kids alone...let them think for themselves......btw, have you threatened YOUR children with eternal hell-fire and god's "compassion" today???
baahhhFATALITY11 1 year ago
im 13 years old. my parents try to raise me christian, and for years i followed it. i used to have nightmares about hell and the rapture/being left behind, and everytime i did, my parents would tell me it was a revelation from god. but now i know that christianity is basically people being scared and brainwashed into believing horrible lies
NonPointRulz101 1 year ago
@NonPointRulz101 I gotta be honest here; I'm Christian too but I was fortunate to have good people as religious teachers growing up. Most folks are jut as lucky. Some folks just get delt a bad hand sad to say. But despite that I know a great deal of the hypocricy in the church and the bible so I take them with a grain of salt.
NUTCASE71733 1 year ago 2
@NUTCASE71733 Well, I made that statement 2 months ago, and now I've matured a bit. I still don't agree with Christianity or its doctrines, but to go as far as to call it a belief system of hatred is not really correct. Yes, there are many radicals in this belief system(Pat Robertson, Fred Phelps, etc), but there are also moderates who don't share the exact same beliefs as the radicals.
But I can only respect the moderates, such as you :)
NonPointRulz101 1 year ago
@NonPointRulz101
The moderates give cover to the extremists.
EikC 1 year ago
@NUTCASE71733 Well keep thinking for yourself and you'll soon be an atheist. The fact that there is zero evidence for god might be a clue that he doesn't exist... just as unicorns don't exist as there is no evidence for them either.
cakeisnotanumber 1 year ago 2
@cakeisnotanumber
Hey dumbass, if you didn't read exactly what I was saying, here's a hint: "NOT ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE CREATIONISTS". I really really do not appreciate the personal attacks, so back the hell off.
NUTCASE71733 1 year ago
i was brought up in a fairly lightweight catholic tradition, the vision of hell for the nasty ones was merely mentioned, never stressed upon. i still had nightmares about it, was terrified and certain i wasn't good enough to be saved. i can't even imagine how it must be for kids brought up in more militant kind of faith.
the moment i realized that's all a lie i felt an indescribable relief.
hipp6y 1 year ago
i'm simply astounded that people can tell their children that if they don't believe something with no tangible evidence that they'll face eternal damnation in a pit of fire experiencing infinite amounts of pain and suffering while being prodded by 1 million degree forks while satan tortures your soul...
it's a million times worse than any horror movie imaginable by any human being, religion is a scar on the face of humanity and the sooner we abolish it, the better...
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago 2
Can anyone fathom how exquisitely difficult life is when experiencing such trauma at the hands of your loved ones? The daily chaos that ensues when one is terrified of an omniscient bully judging your every decision, action or thought. The incalculable damage that one bears on the psyche. I am such a person! The only saving grace as it were, was to employ education and self-acceptance. I am now an atheist and trust this to be true, I am not afraid anymore!!!! Operor non puto!
notfarfromhome 1 year ago
@notfarfromhome Very true. I spent a good part of my childhood having trouble sleeping at night, praying and asking god not to be mad at me for whatever trivial childhood mistakes and wrongs I might have done that day. That's no way for a child to grow up.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
Children know they will die someday, thats pretty scary and very possibly "traumatizing" as well....
Blaming religion for bad parenting is a cop out. If a child was neglected by parents who were constantly working, do you blame "work"?
There are many many instances where children that were not raised in religious families demonstrate the same symptoms as the subject in the start of the video, and many children who were raised in religious homes that don't.
avansc 1 year ago
:::GOOD INFLUENCE CAMPAIGN:::
Let's encourage YouTubers to post videos that DIRECT PEOPLE to some of the many SOLUTIONS for the world's flaws, instead of proliferating appaling rubbish.
Broadcasting BETTER WAYS of thinking and living is the way to make people think in the RIGHT DIRECTION.
Let's exert our influence in useful ways.
>>>IF YOU AGREE, FEEL FREE TO COPY AND PASTE IT ANYWERE YOU WANT TO ON THE WEB;
RafaKBLudo 1 year ago
@RafaKBLudo Atheism/agnosticism is a good influence, as are encouragement to practice logic, reason, and critical thinking.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@GermanChocolateCake
showing those pieces of sh*t traumatizing kids isn't 'pro-reason', it's only anti-religion.
It's just basic logic.
RafaKBLudo 1 year ago
@RafaKBLudo The two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Encouraging reason and critical thinking can often undermine religious belief and in doing so be called anti-religious as a result of its effect. Whether or not it is intended that way is specific to the person making the argument.
That being said, reason and critical thinking do tend to discourage blind faith and mythological belief, so I guess the ultimate result is probably more often than not anti-religious. That bothers me not.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@GermanChocolateCake You got your head on place and that makes things easier. They're sure not necessarily mutually exclusive. I just rather create/show/offer better options other than just destroy the only option they can see and understand. It's about evolution of thought. There's no need at all to spend time and energy to destroy the last step to move up and forward on the ladder.
Anyway, I'd better take my own advice to heart right now and just fuel the solutions myself.
RafaKBLudo 1 year ago
@RafaKBLudo Some times it does take baby steps. It did with me. I slowly migrated out of religious belief by slowly allowing myself to ask the hard questions that my religion was trying very hard to discourage, but had always been with me from the moment religion started teaching me its beliefs.
Now I find it dismaying to recognize that I had ever been gullible and irrational enough to ever have bought in to any of it.
But as Monty Python said, "I got better!"
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
Indoctrination is a sore on humanity.
MarcusKiner 1 year ago
How could I be so blind? I used to be a foolish atheist, but now I've seen the light. He has touched me with his noodly appendage as his pastafarian children flew down from the gates of heaven. I know now that the flying spaghetti monster is the light.
May he touch you with his noodly appendage rAmen.
PhantomSanity0 2 years ago 4
@PhantomSanity0 .I used to be an atheist but then i converted to islam.Peace be upon you.MAy all allah show you the true path.
ma98h 1 year ago
@ma98h So you traded rationality for irrationality? I hope that works out for you.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@PhantomSanity0 Light pasta? Nah, I prefer heavy pasta with lots of alfredo!
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@GermanChocolateCake FOOL The flying spaghetti monster takes many forms of pasta.
PhantomSanity0 1 year ago
@PhantomSanity0 Well then he is truly a generous god!
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
I remember how traumatized my grandson was about hearing in his christian preschool about the ultimate reality of death. His parents aren't religious. He's been in public school since 6. I was pissed when I heard that they taught him about the nailing on a cross. He was just five, but at 10 now still suffers with nightmares and insecurity when his parents aren't home. The other day he mentioned hell, I told him there's no such thing, just another one the many lies you'll hear in this life.
holio84 2 years ago 3
WOW I never really thought of it this way but now that I DO think of it I have severe anxiety and now that I heard this video I realized that most of my anxiety was based around death and the end of my life, which was brought about by my religious upbringing.
No child at the age of 6 should be having anxiety attacks thinking about being in a coffin at an old age. If it wasn't for religion I proly wouldn't have been thinking about such things at that age it's just disgusting!!!
upplsuckimcool16 2 years ago
At least people generally remember to tell kids that horror movies are made up.
ihaveopposablethumbs 2 years ago 3
As a child, I had at least one nightmare where I was walking with my family in our backyard, together for the last time, for we were all on our way to hell.
Preaching at a vacation bible school, which was not of the dramatic 'fire and brimstone' variety, but nonetheless quite damaging, inspired that.
Telling children these stories is abusive, yet many of the adults who relate these ideas are folks who never recovered from it themselves, not knowing what they do.
jennyamelie 2 years ago
majority of the christian churches are infested with lies and deceit, number one is the catholic and church of england. their teachings do not reflect God's word but their own egos like what you are. please dont call the kettle black when you pot are the same. don't go around blaming God because of your and their ignorance.
cpfyap 2 years ago
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Fucking Idiots, you've blown God out of everything and justify why. Tell me our country wasn't better off when arrogant asshole like you were silent.
I don't anything about whether God exixts or not, but I'm not such a Arrigant Dumb Fuck as to say I know
Arrogant assholes... Let them know what you think
you don't have to be polite with those who are intolerant of your beliefs
P.S. Fuck You
izzafact1 2 years ago
Fantasma: It looks like a pacific northwestern mom-vest. Moms wear that kind of thing in some parts of the country to ward angry moose away from their children.
Part of this statement is based on part of a fact.
GuacamoleKun 2 years ago
What the hell is Jen wearing?
FantasmaBAnco 2 years ago
thank you for touching upon this topic. I was born and raised a mormon. It was quite unhealthy. I learned that peace, happiness, and justice all happen in heaven. Pain and misery happen on earth.
I developed suicidal tenancies by the time I was nine years old.
After all, why wait for happiness?
I remember trying to take my own life on several occasions for this very reason.
over the years I realized how wrong my upbringing was.
I left that religion.
I am now Atheist and very happy!
Angrywritergrrrl 2 years ago 42
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you were just religious for 3 years. you haven't experienced th personal relatonship with christ. if you had, you never would have gone atheist
Kaos77Kisame 2 years ago
oh, fuck off.
thisguysajerk 2 years ago 4
I will eat your god!
AdventNoOmega 2 years ago 5
Om nom nom nom :3
Gellvos 2 years ago 6
By Christ you meant the Flying Spaghetti Monster right?
Makonu2 2 years ago 3
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@Kaos77Kisame
"you were just religious for 3 years. you haven't experienced th personal relatonship with christ. if you had, you never would have gone atheist"
Whatever... If three 3 years isn't enough to be brainwashed than maybe the crap Jesus is selling isn't worth buying
boyinthedrain 2 years ago
I had something similar happen to me when I was about 10.
tyrone9009 3 years ago
that sort of indoctrination, in the future, will be legally recognized as child abuse. Using fear in such a cruel way to ruin someone childhood and make them live in constant fear that every action is going to offend an invisible man in the sky.. i'd slap the shit out of those parents.
ruin3r 3 years ago 3
This is some kind of nutter cult masked as religion.
Kaos77Kisame 3 years ago
What is the difference between a cult & religion to you?
kyokumajr 3 years ago
No idea, but this is not the religion of the Bible, as what they're doing is not the biblical way. They may have used and read the bible, yes, but they were clearly picking out the bits that suited them. Kids shouldn't be scared to that extent. Probably a case of bad judgement from the parents as to how far they could push scaring her as well.
Kaos77Kisame 3 years ago
Since according to the story she came from an "end-times" hope, yeah I agree. But jsut remembering myself when i heard about hell in bible classes when i was little i was freaked. As mentioned in the video, i dont thikn you can present hell to a kid in a "nice way", unless you just ignore it, however then YOU are picking & choosing by only talking about the "nice parts" of, lets say, christianity; & are getting them into something without giving the full picture.
kyokumajr 3 years ago
I don't shirk from telling people about hell, far from it. It's a danger that people need to warned of. But it's stupid to notify someone of a peril and not tell them the way out if you know it yourself. Christianity's main focus is on salvation from that hell. That's why the message should not be 'You'll brun in hell' but 'as you are, you are eternally damned, but there is a way out through Jesus'.
Basically.
Kaos77Kisame 3 years ago
" notify someone of a peril and not tell them the way out if you know it yourself."
What if the child has a friend who does not believe? Like with the girl in the story who was worrying herself sick over her close people that did not accept God?
"Christianity's main focus is on salvation from that hell. "
Which their same loving* God created in the 1st place.
kyokumajr 3 years ago
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Yes, but we turned away from God and rebelled against his rule. When Adam disobeyed him, he was acting for the entire human race. By rights, God should have just thrown us all into hell and dust his hands, but he loved us so much that he let us live and gave us a chance to return to him. Adult Christians worry about the souls of their friends, as do I, but *we* cannot turn them to God, and we find comfort in the fact that whatever happens, God is in control.
Kaos77Kisame 3 years ago
"When Adam disobeyed him"
So you believe in the literal Genesis story of talking snakes, knowledge trees & etc?
"God is in control"
So when a person does not turn to god & consequently goes to hell (if you believe in "saved by faith alone") it is because God wishes it to be so & made it so. What are the people punished in hel for them?
also, the Bible claims in 1st Corinthians 12, if Im not mistkane, that faith is given by the holy spirit, how can ppl be punished for smth they dont control
kyokumajr 3 years ago
When a man turns away from God, and remains that way, he chooses to do so of his own will. When a man turns back to God and is converted into a Christian, only God's grace made that possible, yet they also come to God of their own free will. The only one to resbonsible for good things happenning is God and the only one to blame for failures is man and his sins. This sounds like moving the goalposts to suit one's own side, but it is the simple truth. Millions of Christians can vouch for it.
Kaos77Kisame 3 years ago
You should relaly watch NonStampCollector's videos on free will. What kind of 'choice' is "believe in me or burn"???
SayYesToReason 3 years ago
The right one. But that is almost never the case that brings about a conversion to christianity. The true choice a person on the verge of converting to christianity faces is 'are you willing to to do things God's way instead of your way from now on? willing to place God as the most important thing in your life? wiling to bow to his Lordship and accept your sins'. Most people do not want someone telling them what to do and telling them they're a sinner, that is the true reason why atheism exists
Kaos77Kisame 3 years ago
But it isn't TRULY free will! If I put a gun to your head and said "give me your money or I'll shoot you. But I love you as a person so I give you the free choice to not. Of course if you make THAT choice I'll put a bullet in your brain, but it's your choice, free and clear". That's crap and you know it.
And you are presupposing so many things. First, I take great offense at your implication that I am an atheist because I want to sin. I'm an atheist because I see no testable, empirical...
SayYesToReason 3 years ago 2
evidence (that can withstand logical scrutiny) for the existence of a god. See, no god, no sin, no need for redemption, etc. You are also presupposing that if there is a god, that it's the god of christianity.
Why do I take such great offense? Because given the powers christians claim their god has, I would do so much more good with them. Your god is cruel, petty, megalomaniacal, bloodthirsty, prudish, indifferent to suffering, and a bully (just to point out a few of his traits).
SayYesToReason 3 years ago
His "love" is like that of a controlling, abusive husband or parent. So many of his traits and behaviors would be recognized in a person as abhorrant, but because it's "god", we suddenly say it's right? That's BS.
1. I have no COMPELLING EVIDENCE to believe in a god
2. I have no reason to presume that if a god exists that it is the christian god
3. Your god is despicable
4. You need to quit subscribing to the ideas and prejudices of primitive Bronze Age prudes and hoisting them upon others
SayYesToReason 3 years ago 6
5. What sense does it make to place the blame on me for the actions of someone else? If your grandfather had committed a murder, would it be fair and just if we had punished you for that crime also?
6. If your god is so omniscient, then the whole thing would be a set-up. It would have known Adam and Eve would sin, and the choice that every human would make. Therefore, free will is impossible
7. Why did god require a blood sacrifice of himself TO HIMSELF?
8. What kind of sacrifice is it if...
SayYesToReason 3 years ago
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And, you'd do more good if you had God's powers? I doubt it somehow. God didn't even have to let us live. When Adam sinned, he committed THE sin. There is only one sin, and that is to turn away from God, either by disobeying him or by putting something else before him in your life. These rules are completely impossible to keep, therefore everyone is a sinner. That's why he provided a way for sin to be forgiven, through his grace and love. God does knows what is best for us. You don't.
Kaos77Kisame 3 years ago
Yes, I would. For starters, I wouldn't require the death penalty for EVERY human being who ever would be for the crime of ONE (or two) person(s).
If I had to die and STAY dead in order to save all of humanity, I'd do that too. Wouldn't need that reassurance of coming back to life (what kind of sacrifice is that, anyway?)...
SayYesToReason 3 years ago 5
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No evidence for the existence of God? Then what other explanation do you have? And I'm not saying that I base my Christian faith on a 'delete the impossible and take what's left' basis. Look at the complexity and beauty of the universe, from the impossibly complex ligaments of the hand on your mouse to the delicate balance which our world needs to sustain life. That world has a creator. No other explanation will stand up to close scrutiny.
Kaos77Kisame 3 years ago
Well, free will is the ability to choose wrongly after all. But since you use your free will to ignore the danger, it's like you will the gun to disappear, to use your earlier metaphor. Which is a faulty metaphor because the danger of hell isn't nearly as clear and obvious as a gun. And people reason that hell is a long way away even if it does exist, so they don't consider it as an immediate threat, unlike, e.g. a gun to the head.
Kaos77Kisame 3 years ago
Trust me, it's obvious, because most people have heard of a hell, and many of them believe in it as a real place, so fear of hell IS an immediate threat. It's also torture, because so many people live their lives feeling guilty and that they are going to hell when they die. Horrible.
SayYesToReason 3 years ago 5
from my experience when i was a christian i can say hell really is scary and sometimes the feeling your about to get judged by god can be worst, this awful feeling of fear , depression and non peacefully was more immediate when i couldn't fight against the need to release sexual stress trough masturbation. (and yeah u know how masturbation is condemned in most christian denominations) and there are other examples too.
NorProductions 2 years ago 7
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you were never a christian.
Kaos77Kisame 2 years ago
oh sure i was and very fundamental and there was a 3 year lapse of my life that i felt very connected to the "word of god" i accepted Jesus in a very sentimental praying , baptized in waters and spirit but now i understand it was only in my mind there wasn't any supernatural power there
NorProductions 2 years ago 10
Did you find any joy in the gospel to begin?
Kaos77Kisame 2 years ago
yes i did, u get to a moment of feeling in peace with the being of "god" you create in your mind , i did shake all the way around during intense praying but after seeing the explanations from psychology about how the human brain be susceptible to all this intense meditations and rational thinking i had to be honest with myself and accept the reality that we live in, it was hard i had to surpass the fear of god and the devil in my head , after that everything is clear
NorProductions 2 years ago 2
@Kaos77Kisame
Thank GOD I am not a Christian!!!!!
boyinthedrain 2 years ago
Oh bullshit. Your god is a monster. Keeping people alive forever through a miracle for no other reason but to experience pain is not "love". It takes tremendous cognitive dissonance to reconcile love and eternal torment, in fact it takes an Orwellian mindset.
I marvel that you people call your religion "good news". Good news. Yeah, right. Don't piss on my back and tell me its raining.
nightflight83 3 years ago 63
Damn, that was a bad ass response. I'm a little jealous. =D
Makonu2 2 years ago
@nightflight83
NICE. !
richybinns 1 year ago
@nightflight83 If I may be allowed to take your last sentence one step further: "Don't shit on my foot and tell me its a landslide."
awhitsel 9 months ago
Stupid, abusive shit. Understand this: love and hell are not compatible.
I marvel that you call such a religion "good news".
nightflight83 3 years ago
Love and hell are compatible. Because we turned from God, hell is what we deserve. But God loved us so much, he provided a way for us to come back to him, and even gives us the status of his children even after we turned away from him. We are the guilty party and we deserve to burn. God didn't have to, but he provided a way out of this terrible fate for us, sacrificing his son in the progress.
Kaos77Kisame 3 years ago
The only difference I see is that cults have a definite leader who is accessible by the community (because it's usually small). Most importantly, cults have such leaders that take advantage of their followers in more ways than just money donations.
mostliberal 3 years ago 2
"What is the difference between a cult & religion to you?"
Just wanted to answer this question from personal experience (my father and uncle = religion and cult respectively). On paper the two ideas seem almost identical, but meeting the results of each in person shows stark differences.
Cults will drastically change an adherent to the point of being unrecognizeable, whereas those who enter a religion are about as closed-minded and intolerant going in as they are coming out.
-Kamikaze!
KamikazeKomics 3 years ago 6
Interesting...
kyokumajr 3 years ago
@KamikazeKomics
A religion is a cult that's become mainstream.
richybinns 1 year ago
@KamikazeKomics
people who mildly believe in religion may not be considered cultish, but as more fundamentalist the person gets the more cultish it seems.
lildread1 1 year ago
@KamikazeKomics the only difference between a religion is the amount of real estate owned !
saintfredphelps 1 year ago