I had found a stray and turns out to be an Old Style German Shepard. He took kindly to our cat and will always walk by my side if someone strange comes by. My question is why would any one would want to let this beautiful animal go?
Thanks for doing this! Amazing dogs! Here in Hungary there are alot of GSD`s that are more straight and bigger than the "normal" american lines. They have a more straight back, taller, and a really nice temper. When I finish my M.D. here i will bring one home to Norway. =D
I've had GSDs as family members throughout my life. All had the normal straight backs. Went to an AKC show 10 yrs ago with my husband and kids just for something to do. We were horrified. The poor dogs looked pitiful to us. When they walked it looked crippled and even painful. It was so disturbing and sad we only stayed a few minutes. What they've done to the breed should be against the law. It's animal cruelty.
My GSD has the same (or very similar) lines as the 'old' style but yet her lines are from the newer look. Very well put video, it for sure made me think ^_^. I never have liked the newer GSD's I always thought that the way they stood looked painful and forced..
It's ridiculous to breed a dog for a trait that is a danger to it's health, the hip problems in the GSD breed today are getting out of control. According to the AKC the back is SUPPOSED to slant, which is absolute BS if it contributes to any impairment. Kudos to those who keep the "old" style - the sensible style - alive.
I have a German Shepherd who was rescued ,so i do'nt know her blood line.Luckily she does not have a very sloping back,so i presume from what i have seen off the video this is good.I hope!!
I have one like the older ones im so proud of her she is so pretty & nice the ones in United states They all have arched backs and stuff bad hips but im from the united states to im 10 years old
if i buy a shepard it will be from you, what they are doing to the modern dogs is crule, the hole back leg thing when looked into, they should not breed dogs with these short legs, great dogs, im off to look at your website! :)
Without critizizing the dogs in the videos, a shiloh shepherd is not an "old fashioned german shepherd". A shiloh shepherd is a mix containing german shepherd.
The founder of the german shepherd, Max vom Stephanitz wrote the breed standard around the 1900's, it has not been changed since then, however it has been misunderstood. Von Stephanitz purpose woth the GSD was to make it the best working dog in the world. Not a familys companion. These dogs are untypical, just as the show GSD is.
Thanks for posting. This breed used to be so beautiful. The modern dogs are bred to resemble parapelegics that drag their hindlegs behind their bodies. I wish I knew why the show judges did that. I also don't like the long haired version.
Both my shepherds are the old kind. Please keep up the good work, and kept the breed alive. I been to dog show and it seem that they are way smaller then my dogs too.
i refuse to go to dog shows anymore because of what they have done to the GSD in the uk, it breaks my heart to see the dogs having trouble just walking and standing, but worse of all i cant stand the smug look on the stupid owners face looking proud that they are crippling this lovley breed.
Nice to see GSDs that are not malformed. Keep up the good work. Maybe the AKC will get brains again and see this IS the breed standard. Those show dogs can't even walk right, poor things.
If you guys can email madmanadz@gmail.com with the hip scores, I would very much like to visit these b.e.a.utiful dogs! I've been after a gsd for so long and looking at your pictures.....OMG! stunning dogs :) thanks Adam.
Used to have them home all my life and still here is 9 years old female Bonnie.
She's a bit bigger than the female I have had before but seems like she's the old fashioned type. Blue, the one I have had previously lived 11 years but this one now is in much better condition - hope she is going to have much longer life.
Blue spent all her life in the company of same aged gray wolf Lik. Lik died 1998 in the age of 18 years.
I bought my first GSD 9 months ago at 8 wks old. He has no curvature whatsoever. His hind legs are very long and his back is straight across. He is a black and tan named Rocky. I don't know if he is an Old fashioned GSD or not, but he does have papers and is definetley a thouroughbred. He is absolutely the smartest dog I have ever had.
im pretty sure a old german shepard isnt the original GSD the people who bred the OGSD had the same idea as the person who created the normal GSD but is different because old gsd was bred soely 4 working abilities but the GSD was bred 4 appearances aswell ,i think anyway
i dont see how an arching sloping back looks good. clearly the larger thick boned straight back dog is heathier looking and obviously more functional. its cruel how people breed dogs to look a certain way.
My boyfriend and I have a 5 month old old-style German Shepherd called Ember who comes from working lines. She is tall but solid and everyone we see says she is bright, alert and healthy. Put her up against a dog of the same age that is show line and the difference is huge. We had to search long and hard for a reputable breeder of old style Shepherds. Even the GSD club in our state recommends the roach back Shepherds to people wanting a GSD. Sad really.
I absolutely prefer the straight backs of the old fashioned dogs. It bothers me when breeders will ramble on about "preserving" a breed and yet I can't think of any breed that hasn't continued to change over the decades. The roached and slanted backs that have become the accepted 'norm' for GSDs are sad to see.
While I like the looks of your dogs they don't quite seem like the old breed standard to me, they seem bulkier, not just fuzzier.
The sloped, slanted and the arched backs are terrible breed German Sheperds. I have a German Shepherd that is normal like the rest of all dogs around the world that are back straight. Never I would like to have one of those dogs. They always have problems with their bones. I like the 1940's German Shephard Male photo, count:0:51
It is sad to see how breeding have destroyed this dog-breed. That low back part of the dog is absolutely destroying the breed. The breed must be taken back to its roots with natural high back legs. I have a Belgian Shepard (Tervueren) becouse i didnt want a dog that was plagued with back issues. When my dog plays with GSD, they dont have a chance to keep up at full speed since they have destroyed back legs. If you buy a GSD, choose a working breed, not a show breed one.
yeh man, german shepherds are supposed to be big and straight backed. feel sorry for them, such fucken retarted breeders and their chit standards, the dog has to suffer so it can get a fuucked up medal in a show. seriously T_T who cares. slanted back looks like its broken.
They are really wonderful friends. But i feel so sorry when they are low back because its soon 2 races of them, its really important for the dogs best that the original german shepherd with high back never disapeard. The german shepherds are the most fantastic dogs in the world, Nice pictures much of it here!!
still beautiful animals, so sad how owners ruin to get the best in show just for themselves, selfish people. Same with Collies, people breed them to make the most narrow snout and the dog goes blind.
I think it's horrible what many breeders now-a-days are doing to the breed. Their searching to make the breed 'better' but it just looks like it's going backwards to me. I agree with the comments made here that the angulation now is atrocious-the poor dogs look sick, weak and in pain!
Now that is the type I like...it saddens me to see all the grossly over angulated animals that now populate the show ring. it's crazy, I'm 21 and even when I was a child I don't remember seeing dogs in big shows on TV being so extreme until the last several years.
I'm glad that not everyone is breeding them like that now and that the dog I remember still exists.
why do you americans refer to these dogs as old style? because there blood line isnt old style there english blood line they have disopered alot now but they are english lines technicly not old style
Many war dogs used by the U.S. Army in WWII were GSDs. A lot of them were very large compared to standard GSDs. This did not hinder them at all in use as protection and alert dogs. Many of the enemy soldiers surrendered rather than face these dogs. Their use as messengers was even more impressive as they seldom failed at their task. If you want a smallish dog get a Belgian Shepherd. I will take a large GSD to be at my side anytime anywhere.
great video pioneer are producing what is in my eyes a true to the original standard G.S.D. ! if you know where to look you can still get old fashioned G.S.D.'s in britain !
While the GSD has strongly digressed from its original structure and purpose, don't be bamboozled here, folks. The GSD was NEVER meant to be a 100+ lb. dog, any breeder producing grossly oversized dogs is breeding to the MARKET, not what is best for the breed as a working dog. "Old style" my foot. DO NOT be misled by breeders who do NOTHING to maintain working integrity, are little more than glorified BYB's, yet claim to uphold this noble, utilitarian, WORKING breed!
I totally agree with you. I am a breeder/exhibitor/professional handler of american show dogs. We have some that herd and the sire of one of my girls pretty much does it all. I don't think we can equate old style with functional necessarily. I think those who post should go look up a picture of BIS SelCh.Altana's Mystique and BIS Ch.COvy-TUcker Hill's Manhattan. They are the top winning bitch and male all breeds respectively neither was extremely angulated.
Respect to the breeder you know where youre talking about. Due to wrong breeding the current GSD doesnt resamble the true old ones. Yours do, keep up the good work 5*
MY DOG look's like a Pioneer dog BUT because we got him from animal control we don't have the papers SO HOW or how can I prove that I have a Pure breed German Shepard because I KNOW FOR A FACT he is about as pure as the Pioneer dog's any help ???
I have a german shepherd who looks very much like yours although he is not pedigree he is big for his age and 25 inches tall at the shoulder and 10 months old, he is long haired and I am convinced he must share similar lines, is there a chance we could have a decendant in england ?
he wil be an english blood line dog americans call english blood line gsd old style so basicly if hes got a straight back and is very large and most of them have long furr thn hes a english blood line:)
You give the pups to the little kids and they will grow to be the best child you will ever have. How can I wright this without a tear?, I lost my Boy Jeff over Christmas.
I could walk him with my Girls out back and if a Deer jumped up and ran they never took there eyes off my girls.
When we had our babies they would stand watch over ther crib.
are shiloh and king shepherds just lines from two different breeders, also a friend told me he has a german shepherd and a czekoslovakian shepherd (which he said tend to be more aggressive and assertive than german shepherd), to me they were indistinguishable to look at, is there really such a dog (czek shepherd)?
Shiloh Shepherds are a separate breed, the same with King Shepherds. They are not AKC registered German Shepherds. Some people refer to oversized AKC registered GSDs as "king sized German Shepherds" or "king shepherds" but this is not the same as the separate breed with the same name. You can read more about this at our site at
pioneergermanshepherds (dot) com/shilohshepherds (dot) html
pioneergermanshepherds (dot) com/kingshepherds (dot) html
@AAAmar I don't know much about King Shepherds but I know that the Shiloh Shepherd was founded by a woman named Tina Barber and that she injected some Alaskan Malamute into the bloodlines of her German Shepherd stock to increase size, straighten the legs and produce a milder temperament. Czechoslovakia has used German Shepherds extensively and they produce sound, rather aggressive working lines, usually wolf-gray in color, but they are still purebred German Shepherds, not "Czech shepherds."
@JackKangaroo1 "Czechoslovakia has used German Shepherds extensively and they produce sound, rather aggressive working lines, usually wolf-gray in color"
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i think you're thinking of the "Czechoslovakian wolfhound" which are a managed wolfish breed
I really don't like the look of those modern american show dogs, they looked crippled in the rear. but I don't really like those old style big fat fluffy versions either.. I like my lean and muscular with a slight slope and athletic and strong stance GSD. police and working dog style.
I think the back is the result of lack of calcium... they need A LOT of it... when they were breed they were shepherds and ate a lot of milk and milk products.
How such bickering can go on I don't know. Suffice it to say that when you love GSD's you love GSD's and any non-violent videos are worthy of a peek. (don't want no Michael Vick around, that's for sure.)
h t t p (semicolon) // w w w (dot) akc (dot) o r g /breeds/german_shepherd_dog/
See the dog in the top right corner? That is the ideal German Shepherd of today. The dog in this video with the hugely sloped back is over exaggerated, as I said. This BYB is just trying to sell their dogs.
Maybe you want to talk to the other dozen owners of these dogs and tell them their dogs have short coming and they can tell you about those fancy dogs every one brags about.
I got mine from a persn that didn't worry aout standards, just wonderful family dogs. I didn't pay high dollar and he is wonderful. I refered to old fashioned cause that is the best way to describe him, if you want to get technical he looks more like shiloh shepherd, almost no slope and large. I wasn't looking for a certain type, was looking for temperament. I have children and also needed a dog that would protect us. He does both wonderfully.
OK I have a German shepherd that is far from standards, but who cares he is healthy and the best dog I have ever owned, I always get the old fashioned, he i s currently 110 lbs and 30 inches high and still young. I have known people to get those akc and their health is bad and most times they are not worth the money, not all are like that but a lot are because of inbreeding to maintain standards. A real breeder will care more about temperment and health more than standards.
AKC does not mean quality, it only means purebred. A good AKC breeder ALWAYS does health checks, and never breeds dogs with a bad rating, especially a bad rating on the hips. This is why you dont look at the newspaper ads to buy a dog. Those people are BYB's, even if they say "AKC". And well, no good breeder would even think about breeding dogs with a bad temperament, They probably wouldnt even own any because they would be dismissed from the ring.
I didn't even register my GSD; know why? BECAUSE I PLAN ON GETTING HIM CASTRATED. He cares nothing about the AKC, papers, or being "purebred". Neither do I, and neither do 99% of the folks that buy them- we want dogs that DO what they have been bred to DO. Beagles chase, labs fetch, pits BITE, GSD's- they do it all, but mostly people buy them for......PETS. Close-bonding, smart,incorruptable PETS. Fuck the AKC; after all- the AKC won't allow a white GSD yet they allow a black. STUPID.
Well that is because mainly white dogs are much more prone to being deaf, and the breeding of them should not be encouraged. The less amount of pigment in the ear, the more chance of being deaf, but of course you should already have known that since your so smart right?
There are tiny "hearing" cells in the inner ear that are derived from the same embryonic cells that produce pigment in the body. An all-white animal has a deficiency of pigment-producing cells, and often that means that the specialized hearing cells are also absent.
"Tiny hearing cells"? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? You have no idea how a mammal's ear really WORKS, do you? The difference between you and I, friend, is this: You pretend to work in medicine, while I actually DO IT. I'm a scientist, BRO, and the lack of melanocytes and their respective melanin has NOTHING to do with hearing development. You're a blowhard, trying to boost your own feeling of self worth by pretending to be someone you are NOT out in the real world....good luck with that....
If your getting "old fashioned". Then I really dont recommend buying from a breeder. Go to a shelter. Any person selling "old fashioned" GSD's is a person putting fancy names on their non-quality dogs. Its the same thing as calling a dog a "teacup". In truth, these dogs looks nothing like von stephanitz's dogs. Most of them are just very poor examples of the breed, but this person still wants to sell them, because all they care about is the money, so .....Cont.
Now you're talking! Von Stephanitz was the authority, as he CREATED THE BREED out of.....MUTTS. That's right, the GSD is a mixed breed MUTT. With AKC papers. Von Steph knew exactly what the breed was supposed to be, and it was not for SHOWING, and AKC standards are for exactly that. You know exactly what I'm getting at, DON'T YOU? Since we BOTH agree Stephanitz was the best judge of the breed, then you agree that we need to drown all the white ones, RIGHT? It's what HE DID...Vet, HUH?
People seem to take the term purebred much too seriously. In truth, all it means is that you know the general size and looks of a dog's offspring. Max definitely had a standard, or a look that he liked. If your going to call your dog a GSD, then you SHOULD follow what the creator wanted. Otherwise call your dog something else. This "breeder" has shit dogs that barely pass as GSD's. Get the fuck over it. If you think these dogs are "quality" in any way, then you are very, VERY stupid.
This whole video is very exaggerated. The dog at :38 is probably the worst slope they could find. Plus the sloped back goes back 100 years, it is not some recent thing. All this person is doing is trying to sell their dogs. They arent special in any way.
"You know shit about the breed; everything you know has come from the 'net. BYB, indeed....have you been to his kennel? NO."
If you seriously cannot tell this person is a BYB just from the pictures and how they are bragging about oversized dogs, then you are a complete and utter idiot. Seriously. Why dont you get out and get a little more experience in the dog world before talking.
Nothing wrong with large GSD's so long as the parents are hip and knee certified and you don't breed the offspring until they're certified, too. You know shit, Ace. AKC standards? Fuck them. Breeding for AKC shows is what has caused the problems we see in the breed today, and American and European breeders are to blame. That sloped topline was all but non-existent in Germany 50 years ago, GO LOOK AT THE OLD PICTURES.
Just finished the vid. You also breed mostly longcoats? So pretty much you breed nothing close to the standard. Your a BYB. Plus some of the dogs at the end are TERRIBLE. Pathetic excuses for GSD's.
You know shit about the breed; everything you know has come from the 'net. BYB, indeed....have you been to his kennel? NO. Do you have experience with the breed? No. Do you tell people you are a vet when you're nothing more than a youtube blowhard troll? YES....go to bed, little Johnny, the grownups are talking about things you won't understand. Fucktard, you are......
Are you serious? Do you know what a good breeder is? A BYB is someone who breeds dogs NOT to the standard. They breed oversized dogs, longcoats, are you fucking stupid?
What the hell are you talking about? You obviously have zero knowledge about the GSD.
We were talking about BOSTON TERRIERS and how you made them sound like cats.
What you said: "Translation- if you cannot keep it in the house and play with it for a minimum of 30 minutes a day, go get a Boston Terrier." So you were saying Bostons dont need to be around their family and dont need 30 minutes of exercise a day. Your an idiot.
You know you are possibly the dumbest and most angry person I have ever met.
Do you know what a BREED STANDARD is, Slick? Sure anyone can breed dogs against the standard to their liking, does that make them a good breeder? No. You really have no argument.
The AKC breed standard is what got the breed in trouble. There is no AKC breed standard that requires the GSD to be a working dog, to track, to guard, to attack....no AKC standard for what the breed was originally CREATED.....
Btw, GSD's should get about an hour of hard exercise(jogging, fetch) per day, hard exercise is not going for walks either. They need a lot more than 30 minutes.
Got your degree in vet med at MSU, EH? Tell us ALL how you're a VETERINARIAN, ok? Like you have asserted elsewhere, remember? I never said Bostons don't need exercise. Never asserted they don't need their masters' company- that's your take on it. A Boston can get ALL it's exercise in an apartment, because....wait for it...they're SMALL. Bostons won't develop agression towards strangers if they're not socialized. Bostons can be kept easily, GDS's require actual WORK. Tell us about your degree.
ANY dog will get fear aggression towards people or dogs when not socialized you IDIOT. A couple came in asking me if I would find a home for their dog(a BOSTON) because THEY left it in the apartment all day while they were at work and it tore up their furniture and lunged at at anyone who walked by. As it spent its whole life in the apartment. Bostons can be VERY high energy. You have no fucking clue how to raise a dog, Mr. Scientist.
ANY dog is a big responsibility and is actual WORK.
Was that liar comment towards the Boston/apartment statement? If you seriously think some breeds need socialization and walks and others dont then you are a complete idiot, you would be chewed out by ANY Veterinarian/ Dog Trainer/ and most average dog owners, to quote you - fucktard, you are.
My Boston gets no socialization at all other than the 3 of us and he's not aggressive to strangers. Wonder why? No clue, eh? Right. Sure thing! What the fuck have I been doing all these years, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN, I OBVIOUSLY NEEDED YOUR EXPERT ADVICE!
Name the book that does not say they need 30 minutes AT A MINIMUM. Do you know what MINIMUM means? Minimum is the bare essential; minimum means the least acceptable amount. Jeez, you seem to have trouble reading a sentence without putting your own spin on it, you know? Vet, huh? Tell us all how you're a VET.
How I'm a vet? Well considering I went to school for 6 years, and work as a vet in a clinic, I think that would constitute me as a VET, you, on the other hand, are an IDIOT.
You graduated 13 years ago....makes you what, 31 or 32, right? Why are all your youtube friends KIDS, then? HMMMM? You're a liar, plain and simple. You Trolled this channel, made unsubstantiated nasty comments, and did it in a pathetic attempt to lend yourself legitimacy, in order to boost your own poor self-image. Sad, really...Tell us what melanocytes have to do with hearing!
Hmm should I remove my "friends"? Since it seems to bother you so much? Lmao. Seeing as I havent talked to ANY of them since they added me and asked for advice.
You finished vet school in 2 years? Or did you mean you went to vet school AFTER you got your BS, and THAT took 6 years? They taught you melanocytes are important in a mammal's hearing? HAHAHAHAHAHAH! You're LYING! Hahahaha you're pathetic, you really are. You've NOT been to college...have no basic understanding of physiology, where hearing is concerned. Melanocytes! Pigment! "Certain cells"! FUCKTARD, lying, poor self-image youtube blowhard TROLL!
You can call me a troll or whatever the fuck you want to call me all you want. Doesnt change that I'm a Vet. I mean really keep doing it, its starting to make me laugh. Btw I work at the Lakeside Animal Hospital in Michigan.
You want some PROOF that white dogs are more prone to be deaf? Plain and simple, because they ARE. Yes, what I've already told you is what I've learned. But how does your "argument" explain just why more white dogs with less pigment, and albinos as well, ARE DEAF?
Please, in detail, explain the machanism by which amelanism affects inner-ear development. DO IT. Explain the concept for us, "Dr." Troll. Please feel free to use proper epithets and terminology- I will understand what you're saying.
Hahaha, ok, first, let me hear YOU explain how pigment wouldnt have anything to do with deafness. You havent really said anything to qualify yourself yet.
Pigment has absolutely nothing to do with the development of the inner ear, Slick- I don't really get what you're driving at as I have PLAINLY stated EXACTLY THAT: Melanocytes are ABSENT from the inner ear. They have no influence on inner-ear development. Jesus answered questions with questions too, bud; look where that got him! You're the "doggie doc", you made the claim that albinism causes hearing defects, so the burden of evidence is on YOU....see how this works? Science is FUN!
I don't HAVE to qualify myself, Ace; I've never claimed to be anything other than a clinical lab scientist. I do know cell biology, genetics, and anatomy and physiology. I know how cells work, know how a dog's ear works AND develops (I googled it last night!), I also know a liar when I hear one....get it? Hear one?
You understand what a melanocyte IS, right Herr Doggie Doc? Explain to us all how the absence of pigment causes hearing impairment. Feel free to get into parental genetics, as well- I'd be interested in knowing which chromosome the defect is on, the location of the allelic insertion, and the haplotypes involved in the phenotypic expression of this mutation, as well...."Doctor"....
Well, this fellow is passionate, to say the least. He is correct that white (and albino, which aren't genetically "white," but I digress) and predominantly white dogs are far more prone to deafness.
White hasn't caused any problems in the GSD. Its a masking gene and only affects coat color. Albino, on the otherhand, does cause issues.
Needless to say, people always want to use Horand and all the earlier GSDs to decide what should be bred. They weren't trying to keep that structure - they were trying to improve it. No point in going back.
Take a look at the Historical VA list. You start to see sloping backs as early as 1955, and some leaning toward sloping earlier than that.
I just read the argument, well , he is right. More white dogs are deaf when compared to non-white dogs. I read on the Boxer club of America's website that same thing also. Well he says he's a Vet so I guess he would know.
The homeostasis guy obviously didnt know much if he thought a Boston Terrier didnt need socialization nor exercise LOL. That should be considered animal cruelty or something. Ive never heard someone saying that exercise and socialization is breed specific. Thats just funny.
Tell us all, in DETAIL, what is wrong with the "very poorly bred" dog at 1:05. EDUCATE US, ACE. The hair? The ears (lol)? Topline? Educate us, Mr. Veterinarian. We're on pins and needles, waiting.
Well, you said everything that made it poorly bred. Congrats you are not blind. If they breed that dog, then that definitely makes them a BYB. You do know what BYB means dont you?
Its faults? Do you realize faults ARENT that specific. Well with the ears, they should be in proportion to the body, they are pretty big,a dn also are shaped wrong, but that is already pretty clear. Next is the the back, the withers should slope down into the back. I cant get my hands on it to check out most of the other things, but obviously the coat is too long, the front hocks look a little deformed, and well overall it is not a quality dog, I really dont see why you are defending it.
Hahahaha shaped wrong! It's a picture- guess hwat? Dogs (especially GSD's) MOVE THEIR EARS! Back? You mean TOPLINE, right? I thought you were a PRO! The topline is FINE; in fact, the slight roach (as described in this video) is clearly reminescient of the old Greman lines, back in the day. HOCKS? Explain, IN DETAIL, the "deformation" you see. As to the coat, Von Steph HIMSELF said that coat coloration and length was the LAST and least, Slick. How a reduction in melanocytes harm hearing?
No fucking shit dogs move their ears back. Judges in the ring make noises to get the ears up and to get a good expression. Have you EVER seen a GSD's ears touch? Are you fucking stupid? Topline is NOT fine. It is against the standard if you actually KNEW the standard. It is supposed to have a slight slope, if anything this dog has a level TOPLINE(I said BACK, because that is how it is referred to in the standard), or it slopes up.
Almost out of letters, why dont you go read the standard kiddo?
I know it well, don't need to re-hash it. Explain the mechanism by which amelanism causes developmental issues with hypomelanistic and amelanistic mammals, Ace. After all, you're a trained doggy doc, RIGHT? Googlers, start your engines....lol.....go google your answer, bud. I'll be here waiting to tear it apart!
Send me your cell # and I'll send you cute videos of MY GSD doing all sorts of things with his ears....including touching them together. When they're not upright they, you know.....MOVE AROUND.....You've never been around one, HAVE YOU? You still did not clarify the "hocks" claim, Ace. Please, indulge!
I do cant get videos because I do not have messaging, because I am not a 13 year old girl. So, Ace, you seriously have no fucking idea of what a TRUE German Shepherd should look like if you SERIOUSLY think the ears are ever supposed to be touching. They move to the side, but that moves them FURTHER AWAY FROM EACH OTHER. Im sorry your POORLY BRED PIECE OF SHIT dog has fucked up ears, but that does not make it the new standard.
What? You've never laid eyes on my dog and now you can authoritatively assert he's a mutt? WOW! You're PSYCHIC, too! Since you're a fan of GSD's, you know a loose or limp ear is a fault but not a show ender, right? HMMMM.....you're talking out of your ass again.
No, you cannot get vids because your parents know that if they buy that plan you'll run up a bill; am I right? OUCH.....my phone has all that crap, IT'S STANDARD with the plan, just like the entire NATION'S plan....except those restricted ones parents get for their kids...Freudian! You're like an open book! Face twitching yet? Man, you're better than a good movie....
Really? It has a very long metacarpus, eh? You measured it, then? How were you able to gather that snippet of knowledge by looking at that (shitty) picture when the dog has ALL THAT HAIR covering it? After all, as you have already said, you've "not been able to lay hands on it", RIGHT? PTTTHHHT! Fail. Amelanism and the link to deafness. Now.
We also have an old-fashioned GSD named Gita, we adopted her from a croatian animal-shelter and she's the best dog ever! You can see her in one of my videos. I don't like the sloped backs either, but unfortunaly, it is really hard nowadays to find a good old-fashioned GSD in western countries. Our Gita was a gift from heaven and we love her dearly. She's around 9 years old now...
The GSDs of today are deformed and look like walking would be painful for them.I have an old-fashioned female,with a straight back and she has no joint problems at all,even at 8 years old.
What this dog needs is a bunch of kids crawling all over him or her, pulling ears poking his nose and a handfull of chichen liver. That all they need.
From the love I recieved from all my GSD, if you are a person who would chain your dog and never be with him or her, you have no buisness having one, they are family. At he first chance, I hope some person who knows this dog would take it home and give him the love he needs.
A steady diet of children, love and kindnes. The best dog a family could ever have.
Damn straight. Could not have said it better. This breed bonds very, very tightly and needs both closeness with it's masters and daily exercise, to boot. Translation- if you cannot keep it in the house and play with it for a minimum of 30 minutes a day, go get a Boston Terrier. These dogs need to be close to their family.
I have a Boston....he's longlegged, not the short style; the breeder compared him to old breeds. He's FAST, smart enough, loving, and easy to care for. He FARTS, as they all do, and snores like a grown man. Have to take care of the eyes, tho...
Mine is hyper, but not too bad. He plays with my GSD, keeps him occupied; they're great together.....the GSD was raised with the Boston, as well. Great to play fetch with them both, the Boston outruns my GSD but loses interest more quickly, so it evens out. Love them both.
"This breed(GSD) bonds very, very tightly and needs both closeness with it's masters and daily exercise, to boot. Translation- if you cannot keep it in the house and play with it for a minimum of 30 minutes a day, go get a Boston Terrier."
You made it sound like they are not affectionate and lay around all day and need no exercise, I dont know if you sentenced it wrong or something.
And judging by the comments you've been leaving, YOU sound like an asshole. What part of "bonds very, very tightly" and "needs daily exercise" did you not understand, Ace? Shut your fucking piehole, ya know? To think I actually ansewered your question....do us all a favor and remove yourself from the gene pool, ok? Sentenced it wrong....where the hell did you go to school, Slick? Fuck you. Any questions?
You didnt answer my question, I didnt ASK a question, I was pointing out how little your knowledge was of Bostons, since you were saying they dont need their people and dont need exercise.
"Do you know anything about Bostons? Some owners compare their dogs' hyperness to a Jack Russell"...In my circle, we call that A QUESTION. I answered honestly and you proceeded to twist that answer. Fucktard, you are....not a VET, though.....LOL, you ARE a blowhard youtube troll, however! Tell us all where you got your vet med degree! Lying to boost your credibility is, well....Freudian.
You said what you said. You clearly said Bostons dont need exercise, and they dont need to live in the house with the family. So again - that shows you dont know much about them.
Tell us, Herr Dr., what the HELL pigmentation has to do with hearing in mammals- You truly are just a kid, am I right ? Please, in specific language, explain to us how pigmentation or the lach thereof has ANY effect on a dog's hearing. "Doctor"....Provide the evidence to support your claims, chump.
I had found a stray and turns out to be an Old Style German Shepard. He took kindly to our cat and will always walk by my side if someone strange comes by. My question is why would any one would want to let this beautiful animal go?
cleverrick 3 weeks ago
AMERICA RULES.
grekodave 1 month ago
Thanks for doing this! Amazing dogs! Here in Hungary there are alot of GSD`s that are more straight and bigger than the "normal" american lines. They have a more straight back, taller, and a really nice temper. When I finish my M.D. here i will bring one home to Norway. =D
Holomatchi 1 month ago
Them some ugly looking GSDS LOL!
rcraulco 2 months ago
@rcraulco ur reflecting your ignorance.. olderhill (old fashioned) gsd's are the real gsd's, unlike american altered species.
cCcAkinci001cCc 1 month ago
German Sheperds best dogs in the world .
TheWrathofgodz 2 months ago
I've had GSDs as family members throughout my life. All had the normal straight backs. Went to an AKC show 10 yrs ago with my husband and kids just for something to do. We were horrified. The poor dogs looked pitiful to us. When they walked it looked crippled and even painful. It was so disturbing and sad we only stayed a few minutes. What they've done to the breed should be against the law. It's animal cruelty.
VideoLofi 4 months ago 5
My GSD has the same (or very similar) lines as the 'old' style but yet her lines are from the newer look. Very well put video, it for sure made me think ^_^. I never have liked the newer GSD's I always thought that the way they stood looked painful and forced..
VampireEmpriss 6 months ago
It's ridiculous to breed a dog for a trait that is a danger to it's health, the hip problems in the GSD breed today are getting out of control. According to the AKC the back is SUPPOSED to slant, which is absolute BS if it contributes to any impairment. Kudos to those who keep the "old" style - the sensible style - alive.
FlowingDepths 8 months ago
I have a German Shepherd who was rescued ,so i do'nt know her blood line.Luckily she does not have a very sloping back,so i presume from what i have seen off the video this is good.I hope!!
Tarameg3 9 months ago
what is the name of the song?? i really need it for a show! tnks!
myrimccartney 10 months ago
@myrimccartney the first song! thanks!
myrimccartney 10 months ago
I have one like the older ones im so proud of her she is so pretty & nice the ones in United states They all have arched backs and stuff bad hips but im from the united states to im 10 years old
hulkgnagey 10 months ago
I still love my baby Hedi even if she has a roached back!
RImusclebear 10 months ago
if i buy a shepard it will be from you, what they are doing to the modern dogs is crule, the hole back leg thing when looked into, they should not breed dogs with these short legs, great dogs, im off to look at your website! :)
eON3z 11 months ago
Without critizizing the dogs in the videos, a shiloh shepherd is not an "old fashioned german shepherd". A shiloh shepherd is a mix containing german shepherd.
The founder of the german shepherd, Max vom Stephanitz wrote the breed standard around the 1900's, it has not been changed since then, however it has been misunderstood. Von Stephanitz purpose woth the GSD was to make it the best working dog in the world. Not a familys companion. These dogs are untypical, just as the show GSD is.
LinaVH 11 months ago
Mine is also the "old-fashioned", traditional breed, he looks exactly like the 1940's German Male, I love him.
However, on18th Feb he has been stolen and still missing till now, that's a heart-broken moment I ever have.
I miss him
cismok 11 months ago
These are not old fashioned GSDs, look up the first GSD. He is not oversized.
JessieAckles 1 year ago
Thanks for posting. This breed used to be so beautiful. The modern dogs are bred to resemble parapelegics that drag their hindlegs behind their bodies. I wish I knew why the show judges did that. I also don't like the long haired version.
sebwingfield 1 year ago
I HAVE OLD Fashioned German Shepherd
myALPacino1989 1 year ago
Both my shepherds are the old kind. Please keep up the good work, and kept the breed alive. I been to dog show and it seem that they are way smaller then my dogs too.
ResidentGal 1 year ago
i refuse to go to dog shows anymore because of what they have done to the GSD in the uk, it breaks my heart to see the dogs having trouble just walking and standing, but worse of all i cant stand the smug look on the stupid owners face looking proud that they are crippling this lovley breed.
thehomefront 1 year ago
my maxi (L)!!!!the best
myALPacino1989 1 year ago
Nice to see GSDs that are not malformed. Keep up the good work. Maybe the AKC will get brains again and see this IS the breed standard. Those show dogs can't even walk right, poor things.
VonFisch1 1 year ago
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adzereastonfan 1 year ago
Great video.
I like such dogs very much.
Used to have them home all my life and still here is 9 years old female Bonnie.
She's a bit bigger than the female I have had before but seems like she's the old fashioned type. Blue, the one I have had previously lived 11 years but this one now is in much better condition - hope she is going to have much longer life.
Blue spent all her life in the company of same aged gray wolf Lik. Lik died 1998 in the age of 18 years.
Paul
LIKILACA 1 year ago
I bought my first GSD 9 months ago at 8 wks old. He has no curvature whatsoever. His hind legs are very long and his back is straight across. He is a black and tan named Rocky. I don't know if he is an Old fashioned GSD or not, but he does have papers and is definetley a thouroughbred. He is absolutely the smartest dog I have ever had.
jayrod59 1 year ago
im pretty sure a old german shepard isnt the original GSD the people who bred the OGSD had the same idea as the person who created the normal GSD but is different because old gsd was bred soely 4 working abilities but the GSD was bred 4 appearances aswell ,i think anyway
Dman31619 1 year ago
check out this channel HuNdEnHaUsk9. they are awsum german shepherds.
DSandra09 1 year ago
i dont see how an arching sloping back looks good. clearly the larger thick boned straight back dog is heathier looking and obviously more functional. its cruel how people breed dogs to look a certain way.
doz01 1 year ago 6
I really like your German shepherds! Lets keep the straight back, muscular, old school German shepherds!
m1shadow 1 year ago 7
i have 2 old fashiond gs girls, big boned and straight backed , thats how a gsd should be, strong bold, not a slopping back weakling .
colinfirth4eva 1 year ago 3
My german shepherd Jules is a perfect example of an 'old style' german shepherd.
NymphalisIo 1 year ago
My boyfriend and I have a 5 month old old-style German Shepherd called Ember who comes from working lines. She is tall but solid and everyone we see says she is bright, alert and healthy. Put her up against a dog of the same age that is show line and the difference is huge. We had to search long and hard for a reputable breeder of old style Shepherds. Even the GSD club in our state recommends the roach back Shepherds to people wanting a GSD. Sad really.
zahs84 1 year ago
0:37,That is rediculous!!!!! that poor dog's back!
silvrwolf98 1 year ago
Thank you for this video!!!
wtnck 1 year ago
wow they look so different !!!
horseluver106 1 year ago
I absolutely prefer the straight backs of the old fashioned dogs. It bothers me when breeders will ramble on about "preserving" a breed and yet I can't think of any breed that hasn't continued to change over the decades. The roached and slanted backs that have become the accepted 'norm' for GSDs are sad to see.
While I like the looks of your dogs they don't quite seem like the old breed standard to me, they seem bulkier, not just fuzzier.
sarentis 1 year ago
The sloped, slanted and the arched backs are terrible breed German Sheperds. I have a German Shepherd that is normal like the rest of all dogs around the world that are back straight. Never I would like to have one of those dogs. They always have problems with their bones. I like the 1940's German Shephard Male photo, count:0:51
menaah1 1 year ago
I think you'll find the old type still exists today. They are working european line german shepherds.
Which is where i expect your bloodlines are derived.
skinnydogkew 1 year ago
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It is sad to see how breeding have destroyed this dog-breed. That low back part of the dog is absolutely destroying the breed. The breed must be taken back to its roots with natural high back legs. I have a Belgian Shepard (Tervueren) becouse i didnt want a dog that was plagued with back issues. When my dog plays with GSD, they dont have a chance to keep up at full speed since they have destroyed back legs. If you buy a GSD, choose a working breed, not a show breed one.
IndiJan1 1 year ago
A healthy, normally built german shepherd is amongst the most beautiful you can ever see.
Bastarden 1 year ago 2
yeh man, german shepherds are supposed to be big and straight backed. feel sorry for them, such fucken retarted breeders and their chit standards, the dog has to suffer so it can get a fuucked up medal in a show. seriously T_T who cares. slanted back looks like its broken.
craxor01 1 year ago
Indeed =(
TheEvolvedMind 1 year ago
They are really wonderful friends. But i feel so sorry when they are low back because its soon 2 races of them, its really important for the dogs best that the original german shepherd with high back never disapeard. The german shepherds are the most fantastic dogs in the world, Nice pictures much of it here!!
najstenjarvi 1 year ago
at 1:50 thats exactly how my female german shepherd looks she is very beautiful
frankyrg95hotmail 1 year ago
yes agreed and american sheps are smalle and longer but german are thick but shorter in lenghth good video
Barrelracer4life8 1 year ago
still beautiful animals, so sad how owners ruin to get the best in show just for themselves, selfish people. Same with Collies, people breed them to make the most narrow snout and the dog goes blind.
JessieAckles 1 year ago
fucken retards nowadays have ruined the german shephred by slating its backa nd making it smaller in size, feel sorry for the shepherds.
craxor01 2 years ago
I totally agree with you craxor01, I feel sorry to for the spepherds, you have right,
najstenjarvi 1 year ago
wow GSD's have changed alot.
I think it's horrible what many breeders now-a-days are doing to the breed. Their searching to make the breed 'better' but it just looks like it's going backwards to me. I agree with the comments made here that the angulation now is atrocious-the poor dogs look sick, weak and in pain!
emoempress 2 years ago
Now that is the type I like...it saddens me to see all the grossly over angulated animals that now populate the show ring. it's crazy, I'm 21 and even when I was a child I don't remember seeing dogs in big shows on TV being so extreme until the last several years.
I'm glad that not everyone is breeding them like that now and that the dog I remember still exists.
marthmaster79 2 years ago
why do you americans refer to these dogs as old style? because there blood line isnt old style there english blood line they have disopered alot now but they are english lines technicly not old style
ThePacman994 2 years ago
Many war dogs used by the U.S. Army in WWII were GSDs. A lot of them were very large compared to standard GSDs. This did not hinder them at all in use as protection and alert dogs. Many of the enemy soldiers surrendered rather than face these dogs. Their use as messengers was even more impressive as they seldom failed at their task. If you want a smallish dog get a Belgian Shepherd. I will take a large GSD to be at my side anytime anywhere.
TheGunslinger5854 2 years ago
Every time I watch this vide it kinda makes my eyes water...I think of my Jeff.
keefer2111 2 years ago 2
great video pioneer are producing what is in my eyes a true to the original standard G.S.D. ! if you know where to look you can still get old fashioned G.S.D.'s in britain !
12345675677 2 years ago
While the GSD has strongly digressed from its original structure and purpose, don't be bamboozled here, folks. The GSD was NEVER meant to be a 100+ lb. dog, any breeder producing grossly oversized dogs is breeding to the MARKET, not what is best for the breed as a working dog. "Old style" my foot. DO NOT be misled by breeders who do NOTHING to maintain working integrity, are little more than glorified BYB's, yet claim to uphold this noble, utilitarian, WORKING breed!
vonisengard 2 years ago 2
@vonisengard
I totally agree with you. I am a breeder/exhibitor/professional handler of american show dogs. We have some that herd and the sire of one of my girls pretty much does it all. I don't think we can equate old style with functional necessarily. I think those who post should go look up a picture of BIS SelCh.Altana's Mystique and BIS Ch.COvy-TUcker Hill's Manhattan. They are the top winning bitch and male all breeds respectively neither was extremely angulated.
Facemodel 2 years ago
Respect to the breeder you know where youre talking about. Due to wrong breeding the current GSD doesnt resamble the true old ones. Yours do, keep up the good work 5*
MrKangalci58 2 years ago 20
MY DOG look's like a Pioneer dog BUT because we got him from animal control we don't have the papers SO HOW or how can I prove that I have a Pure breed German Shepard because I KNOW FOR A FACT he is about as pure as the Pioneer dog's any help ???
vendeda01 2 years ago
I have a german shepherd who looks very much like yours although he is not pedigree he is big for his age and 25 inches tall at the shoulder and 10 months old, he is long haired and I am convinced he must share similar lines, is there a chance we could have a decendant in england ?
SuperJenna1984 2 years ago
he wil be an english blood line dog americans call english blood line gsd old style so basicly if hes got a straight back and is very large and most of them have long furr thn hes a english blood line:)
ThePacman994 2 years ago
thnx for posting. it was nice seeing the "older" version of this dog. whether old or new the GSD is a wonderful animal.
bandcministry 2 years ago
i have a old fashiond gsd
dag4141 2 years ago
I have an "old-fashioned" GSD female without pedigree, and she's the closest to perfection in the breed IMO, even though she has a dead ear.
xSilverPhinx 2 years ago
i had the new version of the breed she was my best friend and then we had to move so it was to cold for her legs.
KatieHoofbeats 2 years ago
A GSD is not a dog they are family.
You give the pups to the little kids and they will grow to be the best child you will ever have. How can I wright this without a tear?, I lost my Boy Jeff over Christmas.
I could walk him with my Girls out back and if a Deer jumped up and ran they never took there eyes off my girls.
When we had our babies they would stand watch over ther crib.
Give them Love thats all they need.
keefer2111 2 years ago 15
Great comment. Sorry for your loss.
RealspitHiphop604 2 years ago
german shepherds are true heroes from the second world war to today as police officers
GSDCSDOG 2 years ago 3
wooT! + 1 for u
valzilla2000 2 years ago
Sorry, but "kennel blindness" seems to be in play here.
The Pioneer Shepherd dogs pictured aren't examples of old German shepherd structure, especially of the dogs Max v. Stephanitz admired...
Yes, they are definitely better than the dogs whose backs slope straight to the ground or whose hocks are above their stifles.
DutchieLady 2 years ago 2
I know, the person who made this video just found the most extreme sloped backs they could find.
Sloping has been around a LONG TIME. This person is just trying to sell their dogs.
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are shiloh and king shepherds just lines from two different breeders, also a friend told me he has a german shepherd and a czekoslovakian shepherd (which he said tend to be more aggressive and assertive than german shepherd), to me they were indistinguishable to look at, is there really such a dog (czek shepherd)?
AAAmar 2 years ago
Shiloh Shepherds are a separate breed, the same with King Shepherds. They are not AKC registered German Shepherds. Some people refer to oversized AKC registered GSDs as "king sized German Shepherds" or "king shepherds" but this is not the same as the separate breed with the same name. You can read more about this at our site at
pioneergermanshepherds (dot) com/shilohshepherds (dot) html
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LongcoatGSD 2 years ago
@AAAmar I don't know much about King Shepherds but I know that the Shiloh Shepherd was founded by a woman named Tina Barber and that she injected some Alaskan Malamute into the bloodlines of her German Shepherd stock to increase size, straighten the legs and produce a milder temperament. Czechoslovakia has used German Shepherds extensively and they produce sound, rather aggressive working lines, usually wolf-gray in color, but they are still purebred German Shepherds, not "Czech shepherds."
JackKangaroo1 7 months ago
@JackKangaroo1 "Czechoslovakia has used German Shepherds extensively and they produce sound, rather aggressive working lines, usually wolf-gray in color"
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fullfist 1 month ago
Great dogs. i have 2 .and had one long haired one that died last year of old age...:(
ThunderStruck1100 2 years ago
youtube amazes me! even a nice video showin fluffy dogs results in bickerin comments haha
WolfishNuckajuh 2 years ago
I really don't like the look of those modern american show dogs, they looked crippled in the rear. but I don't really like those old style big fat fluffy versions either.. I like my lean and muscular with a slight slope and athletic and strong stance GSD. police and working dog style.
laurence265 2 years ago
I think the back is the result of lack of calcium... they need A LOT of it... when they were breed they were shepherds and ate a lot of milk and milk products.
smokebala 2 years ago
How such bickering can go on I don't know. Suffice it to say that when you love GSD's you love GSD's and any non-violent videos are worthy of a peek. (don't want no Michael Vick around, that's for sure.)
newttookoff 2 years ago
Guess the silence means you're doing your homework.....GOOD! I'll go have that beer I've been wanting.
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
h t t p (semicolon) // w w w (dot) akc (dot) o r g /breeds/german_shepherd_dog/
See the dog in the top right corner? That is the ideal German Shepherd of today. The dog in this video with the hugely sloped back is over exaggerated, as I said. This BYB is just trying to sell their dogs.
boss122334 2 years ago
Maybe you want to talk to the other dozen owners of these dogs and tell them their dogs have short coming and they can tell you about those fancy dogs every one brags about.
sanguin30 2 years ago
I got mine from a persn that didn't worry aout standards, just wonderful family dogs. I didn't pay high dollar and he is wonderful. I refered to old fashioned cause that is the best way to describe him, if you want to get technical he looks more like shiloh shepherd, almost no slope and large. I wasn't looking for a certain type, was looking for temperament. I have children and also needed a dog that would protect us. He does both wonderfully.
sanguin30 2 years ago
OK I have a German shepherd that is far from standards, but who cares he is healthy and the best dog I have ever owned, I always get the old fashioned, he i s currently 110 lbs and 30 inches high and still young. I have known people to get those akc and their health is bad and most times they are not worth the money, not all are like that but a lot are because of inbreeding to maintain standards. A real breeder will care more about temperment and health more than standards.
sanguin30 2 years ago
AKC does not mean quality, it only means purebred. A good AKC breeder ALWAYS does health checks, and never breeds dogs with a bad rating, especially a bad rating on the hips. This is why you dont look at the newspaper ads to buy a dog. Those people are BYB's, even if they say "AKC". And well, no good breeder would even think about breeding dogs with a bad temperament, They probably wouldnt even own any because they would be dismissed from the ring.
boss122334 2 years ago
I didn't even register my GSD; know why? BECAUSE I PLAN ON GETTING HIM CASTRATED. He cares nothing about the AKC, papers, or being "purebred". Neither do I, and neither do 99% of the folks that buy them- we want dogs that DO what they have been bred to DO. Beagles chase, labs fetch, pits BITE, GSD's- they do it all, but mostly people buy them for......PETS. Close-bonding, smart,incorruptable PETS. Fuck the AKC; after all- the AKC won't allow a white GSD yet they allow a black. STUPID.
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
Well that is because mainly white dogs are much more prone to being deaf, and the breeding of them should not be encouraged. The less amount of pigment in the ear, the more chance of being deaf, but of course you should already have known that since your so smart right?
boss122334 2 years ago
There are tiny "hearing" cells in the inner ear that are derived from the same embryonic cells that produce pigment in the body. An all-white animal has a deficiency of pigment-producing cells, and often that means that the specialized hearing cells are also absent.
boss122334 2 years ago
"Tiny hearing cells"? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? You have no idea how a mammal's ear really WORKS, do you? The difference between you and I, friend, is this: You pretend to work in medicine, while I actually DO IT. I'm a scientist, BRO, and the lack of melanocytes and their respective melanin has NOTHING to do with hearing development. You're a blowhard, trying to boost your own feeling of self worth by pretending to be someone you are NOT out in the real world....good luck with that....
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
If your getting "old fashioned". Then I really dont recommend buying from a breeder. Go to a shelter. Any person selling "old fashioned" GSD's is a person putting fancy names on their non-quality dogs. Its the same thing as calling a dog a "teacup". In truth, these dogs looks nothing like von stephanitz's dogs. Most of them are just very poor examples of the breed, but this person still wants to sell them, because all they care about is the money, so .....Cont.
boss122334 2 years ago
cont....
she just put a name to cover for their ummm.... shortcomings.
boss122334 2 years ago
Now you're talking! Von Stephanitz was the authority, as he CREATED THE BREED out of.....MUTTS. That's right, the GSD is a mixed breed MUTT. With AKC papers. Von Steph knew exactly what the breed was supposed to be, and it was not for SHOWING, and AKC standards are for exactly that. You know exactly what I'm getting at, DON'T YOU? Since we BOTH agree Stephanitz was the best judge of the breed, then you agree that we need to drown all the white ones, RIGHT? It's what HE DID...Vet, HUH?
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
People seem to take the term purebred much too seriously. In truth, all it means is that you know the general size and looks of a dog's offspring. Max definitely had a standard, or a look that he liked. If your going to call your dog a GSD, then you SHOULD follow what the creator wanted. Otherwise call your dog something else. This "breeder" has shit dogs that barely pass as GSD's. Get the fuck over it. If you think these dogs are "quality" in any way, then you are very, VERY stupid.
boss122334 2 years ago
This whole video is very exaggerated. The dog at :38 is probably the worst slope they could find. Plus the sloped back goes back 100 years, it is not some recent thing. All this person is doing is trying to sell their dogs. They arent special in any way.
boss122334 2 years ago
"You know shit about the breed; everything you know has come from the 'net. BYB, indeed....have you been to his kennel? NO."
If you seriously cannot tell this person is a BYB just from the pictures and how they are bragging about oversized dogs, then you are a complete and utter idiot. Seriously. Why dont you get out and get a little more experience in the dog world before talking.
boss122334 2 years ago
Nothing wrong with large GSD's so long as the parents are hip and knee certified and you don't breed the offspring until they're certified, too. You know shit, Ace. AKC standards? Fuck them. Breeding for AKC shows is what has caused the problems we see in the breed today, and American and European breeders are to blame. That sloped topline was all but non-existent in Germany 50 years ago, GO LOOK AT THE OLD PICTURES.
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
Just finished the vid. You also breed mostly longcoats? So pretty much you breed nothing close to the standard. Your a BYB. Plus some of the dogs at the end are TERRIBLE. Pathetic excuses for GSD's.
boss122334 2 years ago
You know shit about the breed; everything you know has come from the 'net. BYB, indeed....have you been to his kennel? NO. Do you have experience with the breed? No. Do you tell people you are a vet when you're nothing more than a youtube blowhard troll? YES....go to bed, little Johnny, the grownups are talking about things you won't understand. Fucktard, you are......
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
Are you serious? Do you know what a good breeder is? A BYB is someone who breeds dogs NOT to the standard. They breed oversized dogs, longcoats, are you fucking stupid?
boss122334 2 years ago
What the hell are you talking about? You obviously have zero knowledge about the GSD.
We were talking about BOSTON TERRIERS and how you made them sound like cats.
What you said: "Translation- if you cannot keep it in the house and play with it for a minimum of 30 minutes a day, go get a Boston Terrier." So you were saying Bostons dont need to be around their family and dont need 30 minutes of exercise a day. Your an idiot.
boss122334 2 years ago
You know you are possibly the dumbest and most angry person I have ever met.
Do you know what a BREED STANDARD is, Slick? Sure anyone can breed dogs against the standard to their liking, does that make them a good breeder? No. You really have no argument.
boss122334 2 years ago
The AKC breed standard is what got the breed in trouble. There is no AKC breed standard that requires the GSD to be a working dog, to track, to guard, to attack....no AKC standard for what the breed was originally CREATED.....
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
Btw, GSD's should get about an hour of hard exercise(jogging, fetch) per day, hard exercise is not going for walks either. They need a lot more than 30 minutes.
boss122334 2 years ago
Got your degree in vet med at MSU, EH? Tell us ALL how you're a VETERINARIAN, ok? Like you have asserted elsewhere, remember? I never said Bostons don't need exercise. Never asserted they don't need their masters' company- that's your take on it. A Boston can get ALL it's exercise in an apartment, because....wait for it...they're SMALL. Bostons won't develop agression towards strangers if they're not socialized. Bostons can be kept easily, GDS's require actual WORK. Tell us about your degree.
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
ANY dog will get fear aggression towards people or dogs when not socialized you IDIOT. A couple came in asking me if I would find a home for their dog(a BOSTON) because THEY left it in the apartment all day while they were at work and it tore up their furniture and lunged at at anyone who walked by. As it spent its whole life in the apartment. Bostons can be VERY high energy. You have no fucking clue how to raise a dog, Mr. Scientist.
ANY dog is a big responsibility and is actual WORK.
boss122334 2 years ago
You're a LIAR.
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
Was that liar comment towards the Boston/apartment statement? If you seriously think some breeds need socialization and walks and others dont then you are a complete idiot, you would be chewed out by ANY Veterinarian/ Dog Trainer/ and most average dog owners, to quote you - fucktard, you are.
boss122334 2 years ago
My Boston gets no socialization at all other than the 3 of us and he's not aggressive to strangers. Wonder why? No clue, eh? Right. Sure thing! What the fuck have I been doing all these years, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN, I OBVIOUSLY NEEDED YOUR EXPERT ADVICE!
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
Name the book that does not say they need 30 minutes AT A MINIMUM. Do you know what MINIMUM means? Minimum is the bare essential; minimum means the least acceptable amount. Jeez, you seem to have trouble reading a sentence without putting your own spin on it, you know? Vet, huh? Tell us all how you're a VET.
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
How I'm a vet? Well considering I went to school for 6 years, and work as a vet in a clinic, I think that would constitute me as a VET, you, on the other hand, are an IDIOT.
boss122334 2 years ago
Give us your name, the school you graduated from, and the class you graduated in, then. Do it.
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
Sorry. Im not giving someone my full name on the internet. MSU, '96
boss122334 2 years ago
You graduated 13 years ago....makes you what, 31 or 32, right? Why are all your youtube friends KIDS, then? HMMMM? You're a liar, plain and simple. You Trolled this channel, made unsubstantiated nasty comments, and did it in a pathetic attempt to lend yourself legitimacy, in order to boost your own poor self-image. Sad, really...Tell us what melanocytes have to do with hearing!
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
They arent my friends, they are just people who added me.
boss122334 2 years ago
Hmm should I remove my "friends"? Since it seems to bother you so much? Lmao. Seeing as I havent talked to ANY of them since they added me and asked for advice.
boss122334 2 years ago
Right.....right. Are your parents home yet?
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
Stem cells, my ass....."undifferentiated melanocytes" is about as nonsensical as "military intelligence".
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
You finished vet school in 2 years? Or did you mean you went to vet school AFTER you got your BS, and THAT took 6 years? They taught you melanocytes are important in a mammal's hearing? HAHAHAHAHAHAH! You're LYING! Hahahaha you're pathetic, you really are. You've NOT been to college...have no basic understanding of physiology, where hearing is concerned. Melanocytes! Pigment! "Certain cells"! FUCKTARD, lying, poor self-image youtube blowhard TROLL!
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
You can call me a troll or whatever the fuck you want to call me all you want. Doesnt change that I'm a Vet. I mean really keep doing it, its starting to make me laugh. Btw I work at the Lakeside Animal Hospital in Michigan.
You want some PROOF that white dogs are more prone to be deaf? Plain and simple, because they ARE. Yes, what I've already told you is what I've learned. But how does your "argument" explain just why more white dogs with less pigment, and albinos as well, ARE DEAF?
boss122334 2 years ago
Please, in detail, explain the machanism by which amelanism affects inner-ear development. DO IT. Explain the concept for us, "Dr." Troll. Please feel free to use proper epithets and terminology- I will understand what you're saying.
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
Hahaha, ok, first, let me hear YOU explain how pigment wouldnt have anything to do with deafness. You havent really said anything to qualify yourself yet.
boss122334 2 years ago
Pigment has absolutely nothing to do with the development of the inner ear, Slick- I don't really get what you're driving at as I have PLAINLY stated EXACTLY THAT: Melanocytes are ABSENT from the inner ear. They have no influence on inner-ear development. Jesus answered questions with questions too, bud; look where that got him! You're the "doggie doc", you made the claim that albinism causes hearing defects, so the burden of evidence is on YOU....see how this works? Science is FUN!
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
I don't HAVE to qualify myself, Ace; I've never claimed to be anything other than a clinical lab scientist. I do know cell biology, genetics, and anatomy and physiology. I know how cells work, know how a dog's ear works AND develops (I googled it last night!), I also know a liar when I hear one....get it? Hear one?
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
You understand what a melanocyte IS, right Herr Doggie Doc? Explain to us all how the absence of pigment causes hearing impairment. Feel free to get into parental genetics, as well- I'd be interested in knowing which chromosome the defect is on, the location of the allelic insertion, and the haplotypes involved in the phenotypic expression of this mutation, as well...."Doctor"....
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
Well, this fellow is passionate, to say the least. He is correct that white (and albino, which aren't genetically "white," but I digress) and predominantly white dogs are far more prone to deafness.
DutchieLady 2 years ago 2
White hasn't caused any problems in the GSD. Its a masking gene and only affects coat color. Albino, on the otherhand, does cause issues.
Needless to say, people always want to use Horand and all the earlier GSDs to decide what should be bred. They weren't trying to keep that structure - they were trying to improve it. No point in going back.
Take a look at the Historical VA list. You start to see sloping backs as early as 1955, and some leaning toward sloping earlier than that.
DelaGSD 2 years ago
I just read the argument, well , he is right. More white dogs are deaf when compared to non-white dogs. I read on the Boxer club of America's website that same thing also. Well he says he's a Vet so I guess he would know.
The homeostasis guy obviously didnt know much if he thought a Boston Terrier didnt need socialization nor exercise LOL. That should be considered animal cruelty or something. Ive never heard someone saying that exercise and socialization is breed specific. Thats just funny.
Jake122334 2 years ago
So you breed oversized German Shepherds? Another red flag.
boss122334 2 years ago
The dog at 1:05 is a mutt or a very poorly bred German Shepherd.
boss122334 2 years ago
Tell us all, in DETAIL, what is wrong with the "very poorly bred" dog at 1:05. EDUCATE US, ACE. The hair? The ears (lol)? Topline? Educate us, Mr. Veterinarian. We're on pins and needles, waiting.
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
Well, you said everything that made it poorly bred. Congrats you are not blind. If they breed that dog, then that definitely makes them a BYB. You do know what BYB means dont you?
boss122334 2 years ago
Tell us it's faults- stop dancing around my very pointed question, "Dr."
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
Its faults? Do you realize faults ARENT that specific. Well with the ears, they should be in proportion to the body, they are pretty big,a dn also are shaped wrong, but that is already pretty clear. Next is the the back, the withers should slope down into the back. I cant get my hands on it to check out most of the other things, but obviously the coat is too long, the front hocks look a little deformed, and well overall it is not a quality dog, I really dont see why you are defending it.
boss122334 2 years ago
Hahahaha shaped wrong! It's a picture- guess hwat? Dogs (especially GSD's) MOVE THEIR EARS! Back? You mean TOPLINE, right? I thought you were a PRO! The topline is FINE; in fact, the slight roach (as described in this video) is clearly reminescient of the old Greman lines, back in the day. HOCKS? Explain, IN DETAIL, the "deformation" you see. As to the coat, Von Steph HIMSELF said that coat coloration and length was the LAST and least, Slick. How a reduction in melanocytes harm hearing?
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
No fucking shit dogs move their ears back. Judges in the ring make noises to get the ears up and to get a good expression. Have you EVER seen a GSD's ears touch? Are you fucking stupid? Topline is NOT fine. It is against the standard if you actually KNEW the standard. It is supposed to have a slight slope, if anything this dog has a level TOPLINE(I said BACK, because that is how it is referred to in the standard), or it slopes up.
Almost out of letters, why dont you go read the standard kiddo?
boss122334 2 years ago
I know it well, don't need to re-hash it. Explain the mechanism by which amelanism causes developmental issues with hypomelanistic and amelanistic mammals, Ace. After all, you're a trained doggy doc, RIGHT? Googlers, start your engines....lol.....go google your answer, bud. I'll be here waiting to tear it apart!
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
Send me your cell # and I'll send you cute videos of MY GSD doing all sorts of things with his ears....including touching them together. When they're not upright they, you know.....MOVE AROUND.....You've never been around one, HAVE YOU? You still did not clarify the "hocks" claim, Ace. Please, indulge!
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
I do cant get videos because I do not have messaging, because I am not a 13 year old girl. So, Ace, you seriously have no fucking idea of what a TRUE German Shepherd should look like if you SERIOUSLY think the ears are ever supposed to be touching. They move to the side, but that moves them FURTHER AWAY FROM EACH OTHER. Im sorry your POORLY BRED PIECE OF SHIT dog has fucked up ears, but that does not make it the new standard.
You are obviously NOT familiar with the standard.
boss122334 2 years ago
What? You've never laid eyes on my dog and now you can authoritatively assert he's a mutt? WOW! You're PSYCHIC, too! Since you're a fan of GSD's, you know a loose or limp ear is a fault but not a show ender, right? HMMMM.....you're talking out of your ass again.
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
No, you cannot get vids because your parents know that if they buy that plan you'll run up a bill; am I right? OUCH.....my phone has all that crap, IT'S STANDARD with the plan, just like the entire NATION'S plan....except those restricted ones parents get for their kids...Freudian! You're like an open book! Face twitching yet? Man, you're better than a good movie....
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
Well as for the hocks, the metacarpus is very elongated and curved compared to most GSD's.
boss122334 2 years ago
Really? It has a very long metacarpus, eh? You measured it, then? How were you able to gather that snippet of knowledge by looking at that (shitty) picture when the dog has ALL THAT HAIR covering it? After all, as you have already said, you've "not been able to lay hands on it", RIGHT? PTTTHHHT! Fail. Amelanism and the link to deafness. Now.
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
I take the silence as meaning you're perusing wikipedia, pasting away......
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
We also have an old-fashioned GSD named Gita, we adopted her from a croatian animal-shelter and she's the best dog ever! You can see her in one of my videos. I don't like the sloped backs either, but unfortunaly, it is really hard nowadays to find a good old-fashioned GSD in western countries. Our Gita was a gift from heaven and we love her dearly. She's around 9 years old now...
Ballerinamommy76 2 years ago
The GSDs of today are deformed and look like walking would be painful for them.I have an old-fashioned female,with a straight back and she has no joint problems at all,even at 8 years old.
Luna810 2 years ago
old fashion or not who cares!
german shepherds are just tha best dog ever!
animalrights800 2 years ago
What this dog needs is a bunch of kids crawling all over him or her, pulling ears poking his nose and a handfull of chichen liver. That all they need.
RIP Jeff.
keefer2111 2 years ago
Point well taken - your GSDs are beautiful.
sgpuppy 2 years ago
From the love I recieved from all my GSD, if you are a person who would chain your dog and never be with him or her, you have no buisness having one, they are family. At he first chance, I hope some person who knows this dog would take it home and give him the love he needs.
A steady diet of children, love and kindnes. The best dog a family could ever have.
keefer2111 2 years ago
Damn straight. Could not have said it better. This breed bonds very, very tightly and needs both closeness with it's masters and daily exercise, to boot. Translation- if you cannot keep it in the house and play with it for a minimum of 30 minutes a day, go get a Boston Terrier. These dogs need to be close to their family.
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
Boston Terriers are pretty hyper and love to be around people. You should have said get a cat.....
Do you know anything about Bostons? Some owners compare their dogs' hyperness to a Jack Russell.
boss122334 2 years ago
I have a Boston....he's longlegged, not the short style; the breeder compared him to old breeds. He's FAST, smart enough, loving, and easy to care for. He FARTS, as they all do, and snores like a grown man. Have to take care of the eyes, tho...
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
Mine is hyper, but not too bad. He plays with my GSD, keeps him occupied; they're great together.....the GSD was raised with the Boston, as well. Great to play fetch with them both, the Boston outruns my GSD but loses interest more quickly, so it evens out. Love them both.
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
"This breed(GSD) bonds very, very tightly and needs both closeness with it's masters and daily exercise, to boot. Translation- if you cannot keep it in the house and play with it for a minimum of 30 minutes a day, go get a Boston Terrier."
You made it sound like they are not affectionate and lay around all day and need no exercise, I dont know if you sentenced it wrong or something.
boss122334 2 years ago
And judging by the comments you've been leaving, YOU sound like an asshole. What part of "bonds very, very tightly" and "needs daily exercise" did you not understand, Ace? Shut your fucking piehole, ya know? To think I actually ansewered your question....do us all a favor and remove yourself from the gene pool, ok? Sentenced it wrong....where the hell did you go to school, Slick? Fuck you. Any questions?
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
I went to MSU, slick.
boss122334 2 years ago
You didnt answer my question, I didnt ASK a question, I was pointing out how little your knowledge was of Bostons, since you were saying they dont need their people and dont need exercise.
boss122334 2 years ago
"Do you know anything about Bostons? Some owners compare their dogs' hyperness to a Jack Russell"...In my circle, we call that A QUESTION. I answered honestly and you proceeded to twist that answer. Fucktard, you are....not a VET, though.....LOL, you ARE a blowhard youtube troll, however! Tell us all where you got your vet med degree! Lying to boost your credibility is, well....Freudian.
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
You are seriously retarded. It was a rhetorical question. I was calling YOU out because you have no fucking clue about Bostons.
boss122334 2 years ago
Nah, you're right- Hank is really a weiner dog.
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
You said what you said. You clearly said Bostons dont need exercise, and they dont need to live in the house with the family. So again - that shows you dont know much about them.
boss122334 2 years ago
Tell us, Herr Dr., what the HELL pigmentation has to do with hearing in mammals- You truly are just a kid, am I right ? Please, in specific language, explain to us how pigmentation or the lach thereof has ANY effect on a dog's hearing. "Doctor"....Provide the evidence to support your claims, chump.
homeostasis4me 2 years ago
I believe I've already told you... Go read it again if you'd like.
boss122334 2 years ago