The shooter was a mentally unstable psychiatric patient on medications. The main issue is public safety and keeping guns out of the hands of crazy people. Since abortion is already legal, obviously, force is not necessary to defend abortion rights.
@KayoteThunder You are a liar saying that abortion is not murder, because the advancements in the field of forensic science cannot be debated, and yes I am talking about where the medical technology in the forensic science crime labs are up to date have everything accurate, meaning yes this is the absolute truth! So do not tell anyone that abortion is not murder with all of what has been confirmed in the area of medical science! Now you will not believe anyone who is in this work!
@kjbhlogkh An abortion done between the time of 9-16 weeks is not murder as you put it because at that stage there is a lack of brain activity which means the child has no consciousness and is incapable of feeling pain and doing anything on its own interdependently. How can you call that human life? Would you have problems unplugging a brain dead persons life support?
@KayoteThunder Get this straight, and that there is no so called LEGAL definition of human life, because yes this is all about a human life no questions asked fact! Now this is the truth that all of the information exists right at the moment of concept so what you are saying is a lie, because nothing that is dead grows! What you said about the time of 9-16 weeks is an outright lie, because all of the information that has been confirmed in forensic science is fact!
@kjbhlogkh I never said it was dead you fuckin idiot. I said it cannot be called a human life. You yourself even admit that "there is no so called LEGAL definition of human life," ok in that case it cannot be called murdering a human since removing an embryo in the phases of 9-16 weeks, after all you yourself said "there is no so called LEGAL definition of human life,". Congrats your own logic defeated your own argument. You made this very easy.
@KayoteThunder Get this straight I am not an idiot, and you are lying saying that it cannot be called a human life fact! Now this is exactly right to say that a human embryo growing is a human life, and no I did not have any argument, so there for I could not have defeated it! Make no mistake about this one, and that is saying there is no so called legal definition of human was said in reference to what is the absolute truth in the medical establishment not accounted for by you!
@kjbhlogkh Yes you are an idiot you have proven that to me several times. You miss or flat out ignore the points that are made against you then continue with your ignorant argument. You did have an argument. An argument is a collection of statements called premises which lead to a conclusion. That is what you have and there is no valid way to deny that. The point is during the stages of 9-16 weeks the fetus is pretty much brain dead and lacks the capability to feel pain or even be aware ofitself
@KayoteThunder Get this straight nothing was ignored, and what you are saying about the child in the fetal stage of 9-16 weeks being brain dead is a lie, because yes you are an idiot for all of the medical information that has been done has confirmed that during that time that baby does feel pain fact! Now the word fetus is a Latin word meaning young one, and that has been confirmed in every medical text book so there for no one can deny this as fact! Make no mistake I have my facts straight!
@kjbhlogkh I did not say it was brain dead. I said it is LIKE a brain dead person as neither one of them can feel pain or emotions of any kind because they lack the brain development to do so. That may mean young one but that does not mean they are already a young boy or girl, that is just evidence that the english language is fail when it comes to certain words to describe specific things. I have no idea where you are getting your medical facts from but they are as straight as Richard Simmons.
@KayoteThunder Get this straight, because you know full well what I am talking about the facts that you are lying about saying that you have no idea where they are from, because I am talking about what has been confirmed in University Medical School Research Journals that do have people who know exactly what they are talking about! Yes I do know the English language, and all of this where they do know about the sex of the baby being a boy, or a girl from conception is true!
@KayoteThunder Now I do base everything on what has been confirmed by everyone who is in the field of human embryology, and yes anything that does involve forensic science as in what is done in the medical examination that you have not accounted for, which is a fact! There for do not say that my medical facts are as straight as Richard Simmons, because I have failed at absolutely nothing, which is the truth! People like yourself only want to pick and choose, and that's not good!
100 pro-life people murdered in a 20 year period? And you are offended that its not in the news. Thats 5 pro-lifers murdered a year. Does that sound like a lot? Their is a shooting going on somewhere every second. Sorry if the media doesn't sympathise with ignorant people trying to take away womans rights. A blip on the screen?? Looks like a pretty big headline on your computer screen.
@WarThemedRevolution They obviously didn't know how to pronounce it, then. It's french. It's pronounced Poo-ee-on (but you don't really pronounce the N at the end).
You should get cam studio. You can download it free from the net and it is a software that will capture whatever is on the screen of your comp when you tell it too. I scanned it with my norton and it's safe too.
Look at the attentions the murder of George Tiller got, yet we hear nothing about the murder of a pro-lifer, Dress up abortions any way you like, at the end of the day here is what happens, a heart stops beating a life ends. So very sad that the only way we can deal with unplanned pregnancy is to say to the woman, get rid of your baby. We should word towards supporting such women, the early feminists did not approve of abortion. So many hard hearted people out there.
@xxMCRvenomxx It's never a good thing to hear that *anyone* is murdered. As much as I dislike what they stand for, I wouldn't want them to be murdered either.
I want to know when it became wrong to defend life and protect the innocent. You would think the mothers womb was the safest place in the world......not in this day and age. What have we done?! GOD HELP US!!
Had he been minding his own business he would have been home safe instead of harassing teenagers. And the reason no one cares because you are the aggressors and when u go out to force your ideals u might get hurt u keep that in mind.
The fetus lives and breaths inside the mothers womb, therefore making it human. A babies heartbeat can be found as early as 4 weeks into the mothers pregnancy.
Murder is the unlawfull killing of an individual, depriving somone of their rights to live. Abortion is the legal killing of a fetus. A fetus is only scientifically classified as non living. But it is not proven to be non living. Only classified. Therefore Abortion=Murder.
@mjt19741 says:Murder is the unlawfull killing of an individual, depriving somone of their rights to live. Therefore Abortion=Murder. Nope. The the legal defintion of murder is the illegal killing of one human being by another. A fetus isnt a human being, & abortion isnt illegal so abortion isnt murder. Take pride in the things you say...Learn something mjt!
I find it interesting, Mr. Paul, that you are so incredulous that one would be so callous as to shoot this anti-abortion activist, and yet, in other videos, advocate and glibly defend the murder of Dr. Tiller. It's as hypocritical as, say, being pro-life in the same breath as supporting the death penalty, or calling your side pro-life even as you kill doctors and supporters. What happened to this man I do not advocate - an ass-kicking I would have supported, but not this - but you lack sense.
@nekkidandrew, your a very sad person, it is hardly hypocritical to make note of the FACT that killking Tiller has save many many lives, if you will admit they are human lives even if you want call them babies. I can say I don't htink it was helpful tiller was killed but im glad he is dead, so are many babies now ALIVE. IF you use strawman arguments you're gonna get shot down EVERTIME, do you want to look foolish, really? is that you goal?
So? People die... ALL THE TIME... and not all of them get placed on the news. Maybe they just figured this guy wasn't worth that amount of news time. **Shrugs**
@ORVX Most likely it was due to the fact that a pro-life christian got up and shot a man in church. The story itself is a fascinating read. Some guy getting shot at a protest really isn't all that interesting, because he went to the protest knowing their could've been violence right? Well... having someone who supports LIFE actually KILL a man in a CHURCH is news.
@violetkitten831 no that is wrong, the fact that he is pro life does not matter, either way somone was killed, but it does it cannot be used as a reason to make it more newwsorhty as anyone who has a brain can clearly see that he killing one man to save the lives many many many babies is logical, sorry, nice try.
maybe in church is a little bit of a story, as it does seem strange that somone who kills babies to so be can by fancy cars would concern himself with trying to save his soul.
@violetkitten831 noo, your opnion IS more important then mine, that's why we kill babies, in that light, Hitlers opinion was more important then yours.
Regardless, as inportant as YOUR opinon is, like most who kill & ssmile, your logic is flawed, this is NOT about killing children it about your "ARGUMENT" Try to stay on target son, baby killer or not, u need to THINK!
@ORVX First off, I'm not a son. I'm a woman. :-) You know, someone who HAS ovaries? Comparing abortion to genocide is ridiculous, as there are many MANY differences. If anyone's logic is flawed, it's yours. You're right, this is not about killing children. It's about terminating pregnancies and aborting fetuses.
Just because my opinion happens to be the MAJORITY opinion doesn't mean it's any more important than yours. More intelligent? Yes. But more important? No.
@violetkitten831 Everything you just said is dead wrong, for yes abortion does kill a child, so what you just said about terminating pregnancies, and aborting fetuses is an absolute lie! Now this is the truth that all of the people who have worked in the most advanced settings that do in fact deal with forensic science have a much more intelligent case than you do! There for what you said about being a woman is not what this is about, because abortion stops a beating heart!
How would you like it being that someone actually performed abortions was to give you some drug that could do you some real serious harm? Now this person is posing a doctor, and you have an injury from some sports you are in, and the drug you are given for pain causes your eye sight to be severely damaged then talk about what that man was protesting!
No, I beg to differ. It's also ridiculous that pro-lifers murder abortionists and pro-choicers. Why can't everyone just stay out of each other's business and live and let live? IF YOU DON'T LIKE ABORTION, DON'T HAVE ONE. It's quite simple, you see.
And if you don't like inficide, don't kill a baby, right?
Don't you know the purpose of government and laws?
Where late term abortions are legal, the baby can be aborted after he/she is potentially viable (can survive outside the mother). The only distinction is the arbitrary location of the baby. Somehow the same infant is a non-human fetus in the uterous, but if the mother had been given a c-section instead, he/she would be a human infant once brought out of the mother.
@ihaveadesk1 - Actually, it is illegal to abort a pregnancy post-viability. (If the fetus is capable of living outside of the uterus.) Late term abortion is legal if there is either fetal anomaly/demise or threat to maternal life/health. Further, C-section is dangerous not only to maternal life but also future fertility... we should trust women & their families to decide the best course of action regarding thier pregnancies... we should all Trust Women.
No, not in the US where the murder victim was from. It is illegal to some degree in many states, but not nationally, and states are required to make a exceptions including for the mental health of the mother, which makes their laws very difficult to enforce. Just "intact dilation and extraction" is illegal because of the Partial-Birth abortion act (which Obama opposed), so now fetuses are typically poisoned during the late-term abortion before the extraction to get around it.
@ihaveadesk1 - Read my comment again... I included maternal life/health. Maternal mental health IS important (sort of why there is an exception for it, no?) Unless you believe a womans well-being to be insignificant. It is just horrifying that the IDX procedure was criminalized - doctors & those in the medical field should determine the safest & most appropriate medical procedures, NOT legislatures. That law is just a travesty & a great injustice to women.
"Maternal mental health IS important (sort of why there is an exception for it, no?) Unless you believe a womans well-being to be insignificant."
Since we weighing the killing of an, at-times viable, fetus to the mother's potential mental health concerns can I then take it that you find the unborn infant "insignificant" then?
And do you have evidence that abortion is the most superior way to address women's mental health concerns, or are we killing the fetuses on some doctors' hypothesis?
because as far as I know the by far most wide ranging study has suggested the opposite: according to BMJ 1996;313:1431-1434, the women who DID have abortions were the one most likely to commit suicide.
"(sort of why there is an exception for it, no?)"
There is an exception to this because of the precedent started in a typical example of lying pro-choicer activists, in the case of Doe v. Bolton which hoodwinked the judges. So many of the pro-choice advances are built on dishonesty
@ihaveadesk1 - Every major study done on abortion/mental health issues have come to the same conclusion: "The most consistent predictor of mental disorders after abortion remains preexisting disorders, which, in turn, are strongly associated with exposure to sexual abuse and intimate violence." ~ HRP 2009, Volume 17, Issue 4, pages 268 - 290.
Lets let the facts speak for themselves, shall we?
@ihaveadesk1 - Again, it is illegal to perform an abortion post-viability on a healthy woman with a healthy fetus; therefor we are *never* talking about a "viable" fetus (ps. we're not talking about "potential" here, we're talking about the *actual* well being of women.) I find the life, health & well-being of women to be paramount. I also believe we should leave the medical decisions to those within the field of medicine. Not legislatures. And certainly not randome peeps from the internets.
Even where it is legal, most medical professionals aren't willing to give an abortion in this situation, so the potential aborting party often looks far and wide for one willing. It is not some obvious medical decision usually made by the patient's primary care physician, that all capable doctors agree with, like you are trying to make it sound. If you search far enough and are willing to pay enough, you can find a doctor willing to do almost anything legal.
Continued, though even this is starting to be a problem in the UK where so few doctors are willing to perform the procedure.
"Again, it is illegal to perform an abortion post-viability on a healthy woman with a healthy fetus;"
Even in states where all late-term abortion is illegal, there is an exception for mental health which we were talking about. Read people such as Dr. Paul McHugh's testimonies. The vast majority of mental health exemptions were in fact used to for elective abortions
Since you agree with allowing them for mental health reasons me a study that says abotions have a better mental health outcome for the mother than pregnancy.
Again, by far the most widereaching study, which I mentioned before, the "Suicides after pregnancy in Finland, 1987-94: register linkage" study, which looked at VIRTUALLY EVERY female suicide in Finland from 1987-94 as well as a follow-up study 1987-2000 found that women who had abortions were much more suicidal than those who gave birth
@ihaveadesk1 - Your study was absolutely NOT the most wide-reaching (nor the most recent) In a review of 216 peer-reviewed articles on the subject of abortion and mental health found that "The most consistent predictor of mental disorders after abortion remains preexisting disorders, which, in turn, are strongly associated with exposure to sexual abuse and intimate violence." The one study you referenced has serious methodological issues... research it.
Then do you have more wide-reaching original research that disagrees with the Finnish study? What is it? The one you mentioned is a synthesis of other people's studies, and doesn't change anything about my point that abortion harm's mental health; it does not help it.
Many of the criticisms focused on suicide attemps where the link was less clear, instead of just successful suicides. Furthermore, the study was replicated in 2005 using years 1987-2000 reaching the same conclusion.
Across the world, from Singapore (PMID: 18830543), to the UK (PMID: 19043144) corelations between induced abortions and mental health problems, have been found in countries where research can be conducted without so many political issues coming to play.
Now where is the research that says induced abortion improves mental health to justify the vast majority of health-related abortions which are procured on mental health grounds. When a potentially viable fetus dies, who benefits?
@ihaveadesk1 - Politics do not come into to play when we're discussing peer-reviewed methodologically sound scientific studies (and I'd be interested in your proof that there aren't as many "political issues" in places like Singapore or the UK, that's some pretty bizarre posturing.) Lastly, I'd like you to provide your source for what you believe the "vast majority" of mental health-related abortions are done for.
from [Psychiatric complications of abortion] published Cuad Bioet. 2009 Sep-Dec;20(70):381-92. PMID: 19799479
"There is agreement among researchers on the need to compare the mental health outcomes (or the psychiatric complications) with appropriate groups, including women with unintended pregnancies ending in live births and women with miscarriages. . . .The fact of voluntarily aborting has an undeniable ethical dimension in which facts and values are"
"interwoven. RESULT: No research study has found that induced abortion is associated with a better mental health outcome, although the results of some studies are interpreted as "neutral" or "mixed"
So what benefits are we getting from allowing people to kill human fetuses if it is not giving better mental health outcomes? Will you please answer that question instead of dodging it. Or show a positive to mental health, not just an supposed lack of negatives.
It is on the KS for life (KLF) website. Or you can look at the KS state website and compile them yourself. Notice how the amount of late term abortions to prevent irreversible loss of function is always exactly the same as the amount to prevent irreversible loss of mental function, while the irreverisble loss of physical function is always 0. Also, notice that the amount to protect the life of the mother is also always 0.
Don't mention any facts like this on a pro-choice website
@ihaveadesk1 I did look up the stats, apparently you did not. Of the 121 abortions performed at 22+ weeks gestation in 2009, 67 were at a time when the physician determined a reasonable probability that the fetus may be viable & it was determined that in all 67 cases (100%) the woman would "suffer substantial & irreversible impairment of a major bodily function if she were forced to continue the pregnancy"
Did you read what I wrote??? In EVERY CASE where a woman was to "suffer substantial & irreversible impairment of a major bodily function..." and the cause recorded on a vs-213 form (1998-99 on that website), the impairment was mental. ZERO risks of physical impairments were recorded.
"I'm not certain exactly how you could fail to note that self-determination / autonomy are beneficial to all women"
Not if it involves killing people, born or unborn.
I had to edit down my post to make it 500 characters. As you can see, that part took up most of your post by itself and anyway, pointing out the limitations in ones research and calling for further study is found in almost all articles of this type; it was not unique.
" It appears as if your post supports my previous comments, eh? "
No, I don't recall you saying anything to this effect at all.
@ihaveadesk1 The benefits of allowing women to determine if, when, with whom & under what circumstances they are willing &/or able to become or remain pregnant (& bring new life into this world/their families) is that we are treating women as competent, rational, moral people. I'm not certain exactly how you could fail to note that self-determination / autonomy are beneficial to all women... including the pregnant ones.
@ihaveadesk1 Its strange that you omit this bit from your quote of a Spanish article written re: the methodological issues surrounding abortion/mental health outcomes "There is also agreement on the need to control for the potential confounding effects of multiple variables: demographic, contextual, personal development, previous/current traumatic experiences & mental health prior to the obstetric event." It appears as if your post supports my previous comments, eh?
@ihaveadesk1 - Yes, every study ever done with a methodological rating of "Excellent" or "Very Good" have reflected no link between abortion (spontaneous or elective) and mental health sequelae. Again, in a review of 216 peer-reviewed articles on the subject of abortion and mental health, researchers found that "there is no convincing evidence that induced abortion of an unwanted pregnancy is a per se significant risk factor for psychiatric illness."
@kcsorci (cont) The study referenced is not merely "a synthesis of other people's studies" - perhaps you do not understand what peer-reviewed means (it is a process by which something proposed -as for research or publication- is evaluated by a group of experts in the appropriate field. Ergo, no peer-review, no scientific credibility... got that now?
@ihaveadesk1 - No matter how much you (or Dr. McHugh) may feel that a woman's well-being is insignificant, it will not make it true. Again, it is illegal to perform a late-term abortion on a *healthy* woman with a *healthy* pregnancy. Please feel free to reference the court case where a doctor has been convicted of breaking this law. Thanks, in advance.
@ihaveadesk1 Yes, late-term abortion is absolutely "some obvious medical decision usually made by the patients [OBGYN]" - if you have evidence to the contrary, please feel free to share. Again, I suggest you research the reasons why women have late term abortions (try: A Heartbreaking Choice via web & "Our Heartbreaking Choices" is a fabulous book on the subject.) Using misinformation is not an effective way to support your opinion... it speaks to your credibility.
@omgcarrotsticks That's like saying "if you don't like murder, don't kill anyone". It isn't going to stop people from murdering each other which doesn't solve the real problem, the actual deaths.
@ohconservativeme This is an excellent message to your number about people who don't like abortion! Now this one you have no problem with IF YOU DON'T LIKE KILLING A CORRUPT COP, DON'T KILL A CORRUPT COP, however do not tell some cop killer gang of both adults, and juvenile delinquents together that they cannot go around killing corrupt cops, which you must be okay with!
@ohconservativeme I understand what you wrote, and what I have written is to say that when it comes to an unborn baby that is extremely different than someone who is fully aware of what they are doing when it comes to people who are getting revenge on people who are employed by a government, and you are dead wrong for saying that a human fetus is not a human life, because that is divorcing human life from personhood!
@omgcarrotsticks If you don't like infanticide just don't indulge. Just mind your own business. If you don't like murder, just live and let live. Let others do as they choose.
@omgcarrotsticks This is something that people like yourself need to be told, and that is if you do not want a child, then give that child up for adoption you do not kill that child! Yes it is the business of other people that innocent baby is not being aloud to live, and that is a fact! Do not tell anyone this business of IF YOU DON'T LIKE ABORTION, DON'T HAVE ONE, because the simple truth is that human babies are non - negotioble!
This is fraud and it had nothing to do with being pro-life , they knew each other and it was a grudge . The guy killed a non christian at a gravel yard and planned to murder yet a third UNRELATED person . Tiller was murdered ( try using that word ) in his church in front of his family. Show me the proof that ANY pro-lifer was murdered by a choicer. It's a lie just as this is a lie. Prolifers are basically born from white supremist groups and murder lots of people.
That's your angle? A few bad apples spoils the bunch?
Remember....your initial statement was, "Prolifers are basically born from white supremist groups and murder lots of people." That's an intolerant statment. Just because someone is prolife doesn't mean they are anti-aboortion to the point of radical behavior.
You are incredibly arrogant to proclaim that prolifers are murderers and white supremecist. You are intolerant and incredibly closed minded. You dismiss other peoples beliefs by using stereotypes that are not based off of facts.
I am super pro-life, I love people of all races and never will be a part of a white supremacy group. Most minorities are liberals and democrats and for abortion. Since it is republicans and conservatives who are having more children and adopting much higher percentages of those who need adoption, then in a few years liberals will have aborted themselves nearly out of existence, which I believe is their choice. So in that regard I am pro-choice.
@omgcarrotsticks, aka baby killer, noo, according you and yours it only takes 2 when paying for everything, AFTER the baby is born, remember......her body her choice, lol it kills me how u hypocorcits forget that everyother argument.
too bad it's not retroactive, then we could abort you!! people like you who are so mean that they "thank God for abortion" should not be breathing someone else's air. You are a danger to society.
Had to find out about this here. Yet another story the pro abort media ignores.
Kinda like Prominent Chicago
abortionist Richard Ragsdale who made "kiddie porn" featuring his own
3-year-old daughter.
Media ignored that one.
Or
LA abortionist Alicia Ruiz Hanna who murdered Angela Sanchez, a
27-year-old mother of four, at her Santa Ana abortion mill. The abortionist tried to stuff Angela's body into the trunk of her car in full view of the deceased woman's children,
Johnny Wallace was attacked by two women in Arizona attacked for holding signs! look like the pro choice folks are getting violent just as the rest of the left seiu thugs e.l.f. man and they worry about tea party folks whatever.
i live in owosso and i was at school when it happend. im super pissed that this happened bc he had a right to be there and he was just voiceing his opinion. its called freedom of speech.
Yep, it's been a week now, and I don't hear anything more about this story in the media. You would have to seach internet articles to follow up on the story.
Oh and one more thing, I would like, wait...love more like it, love to know if you are going to adopt all of the unwanted babies in the world and take care of each and everyone of them? Take them to school, to the doctors, to church, on vacations, feed them, bathe them, put them through college. And if so then how would you manage that conquest?
Thats for dreamskillme...Shes lucky life didn't kill her...Her mother brought her to full term...Maybe some other babies will have the same chance someday
I would like to pointe out to your ignorant self that I was adopted. I love children but I will not have then by chance, only by choice so I can provide everything for them they completley deserve. I am just simply not ready. Nothing wrong with that.
It's funny you should say that. Because there are tons of people who would love to adopt a newborn baby. They are hard to find. So yes, we will adopt them and raise them.
They called him Anit-Abortion Protester instead of "Pro-Life" because there is a major difference between the two. Clearly you haven't figured that out yet. Plus this didn't take place in Detroit it took place in Owosso, don't mix them up they are completely different. OMG OVER 100 SINCE 1990!! NO PLEASE SAY IT AINT SO! Yeah it isn't right but in that amount of time that's small considering how many ppl died here in Detroit since January.
uh your not the one to judge wether liberals or good or bad people, yea im pro choice. dont hate us for our opinions, if abortion was illegal, people would still abortions ANYWAYS, except they would be in the back of an alley with a coat hanger instead of going to a doctor for a safe way to abort the fetus. i understand life is important but womens rights has gone a long ways.
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Bible-thumpers need to realize something. Jim Pouillon was shot to death. Everything that occurs is part of God's plan. This means that God personally willed Jim to be murdered and Harlan Drake is a holy soldier of God. As such, you should all hold a vigil for Harlan and beg that he be released since he was only doing God's work. Be sure and bring your bibles! You can wave them in the air as you chant.
We all began as fetuses what the pro choice people refuse to understand or care about. America needs God's Judgment. Perhaps we are soon to get that for America is falling apart. God warns this would happen when the nation sins greatly.
I have been in the prolife movement for 25 years and I've never heard of a prolifer murdered before. You claim there have been over 100. Can you provide at least some documentation for that?
Well I've been a sidewalk counselor for 30.Go to the "Human life international" website..I was wrong about the hundred actually...They say its "1300"...Murder manslaughter kidnapping torture rape wounding 2172 cases by pro-choicers since 2000,A mere 27 by pro-lifers since 2000..Pro-choicers mostly attack individuals while prolifers attack clinics & doctors...Pro-life radio host Jerry Simon was shot through his living room window by a prochoicer while watching TV with his children
Actually the site says "1,251 homicides and other killings" but it doesn't differentiate pro-life killings. It does mention Jerry Simon, so that's one with only 99 to go.
to the people that dont know what Mr.Pouillon had on his sign...it was a picture of a smiling baby with the word life on it! I live in Owosso and the shooting was less then a mile from my home!!! I have seen JIm millions of times with his signs and I admire him for showing what he believed in! Those poor men did not deserve to die..THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY...you can show/tell people what you believe in there is NOTHING wrong with that!! I DONT BELIEVE IN ABORTIONS EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Has anyone actually seen a picture of the actual sign he was carrying when he was shot? I can't find any on the entire internet. They keep claiming he was carrying a graphic sign, but every article I've read describes this particular sign as a "baby with the word LIFE underneath it".
May James Pouillon be remembered as a martyr, a Christian, and a hero. Tragically, I doubt he will receive the same respect that Ted Kennedy the murderer received.
The mass media will surely ignore this story as much as they possibly can.
Look around youtube, bud -- all the focus is on Jim Pouillon. At least one of the following is true:
1) Despite rhetoric otherwise, pro-lifers only care about themselves and individuals affiliated with their crusade.
2) Pro-lifers think that covering the whole story will lessen the pro-life martyrdom angle. In some ways this is worse, because telling half the story to push your political agenda shows a real lack of integrity.
When George Tiller was killed didn't the media focus almost all of the attention of his shooting? When Jim Pouillon was shot only some attention was given.
I have prayed for both Jim and Mike. I certainly did not exclude the second victim. But the fact that Jim was murdered for his pro-life views is definatly going to spark more attention. When Michael Jackson died nearly everyone forgot about Farrah Fawcett who also died the same day he did. No alot of people have forgotten Mike fauss.
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You know, you people are lucky this piece of crap even made it to the blip. The man held a GRUDGE against several people. MSN released this info today!
You don't just kill people over a stupid political disagreement!
I must have overestimated the intelligence of the likes of people as exemplified in these comments. You would have to be insane to kill a person over a political dispute. The media doesn't cover these things because insane people do stuff all the time.
The man was plotting to kill a third guy, as he did with the protester, and, as Paul said, a guy from a gravel company. The shooter is nuts for saying that he shot the guy for his protesting, but there has to be more behind it.
Isn't that what Roe vs Wade was. Nothing more than a political dispute over who had more rights over a woman's body. She had every right to keep her legs closed. When she got pregnant because she didn't, she gave up her rights. That body was the home of an innocent baby. SIZE, LEVEL OF INTELLIGENCE, ENVIRONMENT & DEGREE OF DEPENDENCY. These r the diffences between u & the fetus. Is MURDER justified for any of those reasons? THINK!!!
Little update, pro choice women beats a peaceful pro lifer with keys.
SwordofSpirits111 5 months ago
The over 100 pro-life protesters being killed are modern day martyrs.
RonSafreed 5 months ago
good news
FoxyAngie1000 9 months ago
"Anti abortion protester shot to Death", Good!
SouthernOregonOrgani 10 months ago
@SouthernOregonOrgani You advocate killing fetuses, babies, and adults who disagree with your views, you are a very sick person.
MossLimbayter 8 months ago
@MossLimbayter The chauvinistic woman hater got what he deserved
SouthernOregonOrgani 8 months ago
"You notice they don't say pro-life"? Are you really offended by that? Isn't being pro-life being anti-abortion?
resincoatedlungs 10 months ago
The shooter was a mentally unstable psychiatric patient on medications. The main issue is public safety and keeping guns out of the hands of crazy people. Since abortion is already legal, obviously, force is not necessary to defend abortion rights.
mylittlebraincelI 1 year ago
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Ha he got aborted
zarassien 1 year ago
wow this is scary...i live in Owosso for college
jdivergh22 1 year ago
This Is Bible Prophecy coming alive.
"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
ISAIAH 5:20
People we need to repent and get right with God because if we don't thing are going to get worse for us all.
REPENT, REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS NEAR
narukofan2 1 year ago
@narukofan2 Kiss gods ass or got to hell? Sounds like a threat to me. I will never worship a criminal.
KayoteThunder 1 year ago
100 killed since 1990? How many abortion clinics have you wacky christians shot up?
KayoteThunder 1 year ago
Abortion is not murder you dipshit.
KayoteThunder 1 year ago
@KayoteThunder Yes it is.
KnightOwl2006 1 year ago
@KayoteThunder You are a liar saying that abortion is not murder, because the advancements in the field of forensic science cannot be debated, and yes I am talking about where the medical technology in the forensic science crime labs are up to date have everything accurate, meaning yes this is the absolute truth! So do not tell anyone that abortion is not murder with all of what has been confirmed in the area of medical science! Now you will not believe anyone who is in this work!
kjbhlogkh 2 months ago
@kjbhlogkh An abortion done between the time of 9-16 weeks is not murder as you put it because at that stage there is a lack of brain activity which means the child has no consciousness and is incapable of feeling pain and doing anything on its own interdependently. How can you call that human life? Would you have problems unplugging a brain dead persons life support?
KayoteThunder 2 months ago
@KayoteThunder Get this straight, and that there is no so called LEGAL definition of human life, because yes this is all about a human life no questions asked fact! Now this is the truth that all of the information exists right at the moment of concept so what you are saying is a lie, because nothing that is dead grows! What you said about the time of 9-16 weeks is an outright lie, because all of the information that has been confirmed in forensic science is fact!
kjbhlogkh 2 months ago
@kjbhlogkh I never said it was dead you fuckin idiot. I said it cannot be called a human life. You yourself even admit that "there is no so called LEGAL definition of human life," ok in that case it cannot be called murdering a human since removing an embryo in the phases of 9-16 weeks, after all you yourself said "there is no so called LEGAL definition of human life,". Congrats your own logic defeated your own argument. You made this very easy.
KayoteThunder 2 months ago
@KayoteThunder Get this straight I am not an idiot, and you are lying saying that it cannot be called a human life fact! Now this is exactly right to say that a human embryo growing is a human life, and no I did not have any argument, so there for I could not have defeated it! Make no mistake about this one, and that is saying there is no so called legal definition of human was said in reference to what is the absolute truth in the medical establishment not accounted for by you!
kjbhlogkh 2 months ago
@kjbhlogkh Yes you are an idiot you have proven that to me several times. You miss or flat out ignore the points that are made against you then continue with your ignorant argument. You did have an argument. An argument is a collection of statements called premises which lead to a conclusion. That is what you have and there is no valid way to deny that. The point is during the stages of 9-16 weeks the fetus is pretty much brain dead and lacks the capability to feel pain or even be aware ofitself
KayoteThunder 2 months ago
@KayoteThunder Get this straight nothing was ignored, and what you are saying about the child in the fetal stage of 9-16 weeks being brain dead is a lie, because yes you are an idiot for all of the medical information that has been done has confirmed that during that time that baby does feel pain fact! Now the word fetus is a Latin word meaning young one, and that has been confirmed in every medical text book so there for no one can deny this as fact! Make no mistake I have my facts straight!
kjbhlogkh 1 month ago
@kjbhlogkh I did not say it was brain dead. I said it is LIKE a brain dead person as neither one of them can feel pain or emotions of any kind because they lack the brain development to do so. That may mean young one but that does not mean they are already a young boy or girl, that is just evidence that the english language is fail when it comes to certain words to describe specific things. I have no idea where you are getting your medical facts from but they are as straight as Richard Simmons.
KayoteThunder 1 month ago
@KayoteThunder Get this straight, because you know full well what I am talking about the facts that you are lying about saying that you have no idea where they are from, because I am talking about what has been confirmed in University Medical School Research Journals that do have people who know exactly what they are talking about! Yes I do know the English language, and all of this where they do know about the sex of the baby being a boy, or a girl from conception is true!
kjbhlogkh 1 month ago
@KayoteThunder Now I do base everything on what has been confirmed by everyone who is in the field of human embryology, and yes anything that does involve forensic science as in what is done in the medical examination that you have not accounted for, which is a fact! There for do not say that my medical facts are as straight as Richard Simmons, because I have failed at absolutely nothing, which is the truth! People like yourself only want to pick and choose, and that's not good!
kjbhlogkh 1 month ago 2
just you are glad Dr. Tiller was murdered I can be glad people like you are murdered. How does that feel?
KayoteThunder 1 year ago
But I bet you don't bat an eyelash when an abortion doctor is murdered.
autumnsylver 1 year ago
Yeah you want to talk about twisting the story around. "Pro-lifer murdered just for trying to save babies." Nope thats not twisting the story at all.
LibertarianCatholic 1 year ago
100 pro-life people murdered in a 20 year period? And you are offended that its not in the news. Thats 5 pro-lifers murdered a year. Does that sound like a lot? Their is a shooting going on somewhere every second. Sorry if the media doesn't sympathise with ignorant people trying to take away womans rights. A blip on the screen?? Looks like a pretty big headline on your computer screen.
LibertarianCatholic 1 year ago
Oh, and just so you know, his name is pronounced "Pole-e-on." I heard it on a prolife news broadcast.
WarThemedRevolution 1 year ago
@WarThemedRevolution They obviously didn't know how to pronounce it, then. It's french. It's pronounced Poo-ee-on (but you don't really pronounce the N at the end).
autumnsylver 1 year ago
You should get cam studio. You can download it free from the net and it is a software that will capture whatever is on the screen of your comp when you tell it too. I scanned it with my norton and it's safe too.
WarThemedRevolution 1 year ago
Look at the attentions the murder of George Tiller got, yet we hear nothing about the murder of a pro-lifer, Dress up abortions any way you like, at the end of the day here is what happens, a heart stops beating a life ends. So very sad that the only way we can deal with unplanned pregnancy is to say to the woman, get rid of your baby. We should word towards supporting such women, the early feminists did not approve of abortion. So many hard hearted people out there.
8ngry 1 year ago
it's always a good thing to hear that a pro -life activist is murdered
xxMCRvenomxx 1 year ago
@xxMCRvenomxx It's never a good thing to hear that *anyone* is murdered. As much as I dislike what they stand for, I wouldn't want them to be murdered either.
autumnsylver 1 year ago
I want to know when it became wrong to defend life and protect the innocent. You would think the mothers womb was the safest place in the world......not in this day and age. What have we done?! GOD HELP US!!
777ChiRho 1 year ago
Abortion saves lives
Howard Stern
HowardSternn 1 year ago 2
PRO-LIFE ACTIVIST MURDERED, "Good"
BicycleSeatSniffer 1 year ago
lol dead babies and dead anti-aborts XD
Fucking lol'd hard.
Haven't laughed this hard in hours, thanks "thefaggotguy" or whatever your name is.
"Abortion sends babies to God faster."
Mulitfrog 1 year ago
Had he been minding his own business he would have been home safe instead of harassing teenagers. And the reason no one cares because you are the aggressors and when u go out to force your ideals u might get hurt u keep that in mind.
legion1982666 1 year ago 2
The fetus lives and breaths inside the mothers womb, therefore making it human. A babies heartbeat can be found as early as 4 weeks into the mothers pregnancy.
Murder is the unlawfull killing of an individual, depriving somone of their rights to live. Abortion is the legal killing of a fetus. A fetus is only scientifically classified as non living. But it is not proven to be non living. Only classified. Therefore Abortion=Murder.
mjt19741 1 year ago
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@mjt19741 says:Murder is the unlawfull killing of an individual, depriving somone of their rights to live. Therefore Abortion=Murder. Nope. The the legal defintion of murder is the illegal killing of one human being by another. A fetus isnt a human being, & abortion isnt illegal so abortion isnt murder. Take pride in the things you say...Learn something mjt!
Sueezee1 1 year ago 2
Violence against abortionists and clinics only does harm to the pro-life movement and undermines the message.
KnightOwl2006 1 year ago
RIP Mr. Pouillon
OperationJanus 1 year ago
I'm surprised the NY Times even printed the story.
KnightOwl2006 1 year ago
I find it interesting, Mr. Paul, that you are so incredulous that one would be so callous as to shoot this anti-abortion activist, and yet, in other videos, advocate and glibly defend the murder of Dr. Tiller. It's as hypocritical as, say, being pro-life in the same breath as supporting the death penalty, or calling your side pro-life even as you kill doctors and supporters. What happened to this man I do not advocate - an ass-kicking I would have supported, but not this - but you lack sense.
nekkidandrew 1 year ago
@nekkidandrew, your a very sad person, it is hardly hypocritical to make note of the FACT that killking Tiller has save many many lives, if you will admit they are human lives even if you want call them babies. I can say I don't htink it was helpful tiller was killed but im glad he is dead, so are many babies now ALIVE. IF you use strawman arguments you're gonna get shot down EVERTIME, do you want to look foolish, really? is that you goal?
ORVX 1 year ago
So? People die... ALL THE TIME... and not all of them get placed on the news. Maybe they just figured this guy wasn't worth that amount of news time. **Shrugs**
violetkitten831 2 years ago
ok fine, then why was Tiller?
ORVX 1 year ago
@ORVX Most likely it was due to the fact that a pro-life christian got up and shot a man in church. The story itself is a fascinating read. Some guy getting shot at a protest really isn't all that interesting, because he went to the protest knowing their could've been violence right? Well... having someone who supports LIFE actually KILL a man in a CHURCH is news.
violetkitten831 1 year ago 3
@violetkitten831 no that is wrong, the fact that he is pro life does not matter, either way somone was killed, but it does it cannot be used as a reason to make it more newwsorhty as anyone who has a brain can clearly see that he killing one man to save the lives many many many babies is logical, sorry, nice try.
maybe in church is a little bit of a story, as it does seem strange that somone who kills babies to so be can by fancy cars would concern himself with trying to save his soul.
ORVX 1 year ago
@ORVX Nice try? You're talking to me as if your OPINION matters more than mine, which in reality it doesn't. :-)
People die all the time... can't give them all a story.
violetkitten831 1 year ago 3
@violetkitten831 noo, your opnion IS more important then mine, that's why we kill babies, in that light, Hitlers opinion was more important then yours.
Regardless, as inportant as YOUR opinon is, like most who kill & ssmile, your logic is flawed, this is NOT about killing children it about your "ARGUMENT" Try to stay on target son, baby killer or not, u need to THINK!
ORVX 1 year ago
@ORVX First off, I'm not a son. I'm a woman. :-) You know, someone who HAS ovaries? Comparing abortion to genocide is ridiculous, as there are many MANY differences. If anyone's logic is flawed, it's yours. You're right, this is not about killing children. It's about terminating pregnancies and aborting fetuses.
Just because my opinion happens to be the MAJORITY opinion doesn't mean it's any more important than yours. More intelligent? Yes. But more important? No.
violetkitten831 1 year ago 3
@violetkitten831 Everything you just said is dead wrong, for yes abortion does kill a child, so what you just said about terminating pregnancies, and aborting fetuses is an absolute lie! Now this is the truth that all of the people who have worked in the most advanced settings that do in fact deal with forensic science have a much more intelligent case than you do! There for what you said about being a woman is not what this is about, because abortion stops a beating heart!
kjbhlogkh 2 months ago
i hope this is fake, PRO-LIFE!!!!!
kavadidle 2 years ago
How would you like it being that someone actually performed abortions was to give you some drug that could do you some real serious harm? Now this person is posing a doctor, and you have an injury from some sports you are in, and the drug you are given for pain causes your eye sight to be severely damaged then talk about what that man was protesting!
kjbhlogkh 2 years ago
No, I beg to differ. It's also ridiculous that pro-lifers murder abortionists and pro-choicers. Why can't everyone just stay out of each other's business and live and let live? IF YOU DON'T LIKE ABORTION, DON'T HAVE ONE. It's quite simple, you see.
omgcarrotsticks 2 years ago 10
And if you don't like inficide, don't kill a baby, right?
Don't you know the purpose of government and laws?
Where late term abortions are legal, the baby can be aborted after he/she is potentially viable (can survive outside the mother). The only distinction is the arbitrary location of the baby. Somehow the same infant is a non-human fetus in the uterous, but if the mother had been given a c-section instead, he/she would be a human infant once brought out of the mother.
ihaveadesk1 2 years ago
Continued: with no difference in the infant, just the location.
And no, people should not be killing each other over this, but instead their free speech should be protected, so both sides can be heard.
ihaveadesk1 2 years ago
@ihaveadesk1, well sure, I guess you can say the same thing about Nazi's and the black panthers, but sane people do not.
ORVX 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 - Actually, it is illegal to abort a pregnancy post-viability. (If the fetus is capable of living outside of the uterus.) Late term abortion is legal if there is either fetal anomaly/demise or threat to maternal life/health. Further, C-section is dangerous not only to maternal life but also future fertility... we should trust women & their families to decide the best course of action regarding thier pregnancies... we should all Trust Women.
kcsorci 2 years ago
@kcsorci
No, not in the US where the murder victim was from. It is illegal to some degree in many states, but not nationally, and states are required to make a exceptions including for the mental health of the mother, which makes their laws very difficult to enforce. Just "intact dilation and extraction" is illegal because of the Partial-Birth abortion act (which Obama opposed), so now fetuses are typically poisoned during the late-term abortion before the extraction to get around it.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 - Read my comment again... I included maternal life/health. Maternal mental health IS important (sort of why there is an exception for it, no?) Unless you believe a womans well-being to be insignificant. It is just horrifying that the IDX procedure was criminalized - doctors & those in the medical field should determine the safest & most appropriate medical procedures, NOT legislatures. That law is just a travesty & a great injustice to women.
kcsorci 1 year ago
"Maternal mental health IS important (sort of why there is an exception for it, no?) Unless you believe a womans well-being to be insignificant."
Since we weighing the killing of an, at-times viable, fetus to the mother's potential mental health concerns can I then take it that you find the unborn infant "insignificant" then?
And do you have evidence that abortion is the most superior way to address women's mental health concerns, or are we killing the fetuses on some doctors' hypothesis?
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
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because as far as I know the by far most wide ranging study has suggested the opposite: according to BMJ 1996;313:1431-1434, the women who DID have abortions were the one most likely to commit suicide.
"(sort of why there is an exception for it, no?)"
There is an exception to this because of the precedent started in a typical example of lying pro-choicer activists, in the case of Doe v. Bolton which hoodwinked the judges. So many of the pro-choice advances are built on dishonesty
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 - Every major study done on abortion/mental health issues have come to the same conclusion: "The most consistent predictor of mental disorders after abortion remains preexisting disorders, which, in turn, are strongly associated with exposure to sexual abuse and intimate violence." ~ HRP 2009, Volume 17, Issue 4, pages 268 - 290.
Lets let the facts speak for themselves, shall we?
kcsorci 1 year ago 3
@ihaveadesk1 - Again, it is illegal to perform an abortion post-viability on a healthy woman with a healthy fetus; therefor we are *never* talking about a "viable" fetus (ps. we're not talking about "potential" here, we're talking about the *actual* well being of women.) I find the life, health & well-being of women to be paramount. I also believe we should leave the medical decisions to those within the field of medicine. Not legislatures. And certainly not randome peeps from the internets.
kcsorci 1 year ago
Even where it is legal, most medical professionals aren't willing to give an abortion in this situation, so the potential aborting party often looks far and wide for one willing. It is not some obvious medical decision usually made by the patient's primary care physician, that all capable doctors agree with, like you are trying to make it sound. If you search far enough and are willing to pay enough, you can find a doctor willing to do almost anything legal.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
Continued, though even this is starting to be a problem in the UK where so few doctors are willing to perform the procedure.
"Again, it is illegal to perform an abortion post-viability on a healthy woman with a healthy fetus;"
Even in states where all late-term abortion is illegal, there is an exception for mental health which we were talking about. Read people such as Dr. Paul McHugh's testimonies. The vast majority of mental health exemptions were in fact used to for elective abortions
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
Since you agree with allowing them for mental health reasons me a study that says abotions have a better mental health outcome for the mother than pregnancy.
Again, by far the most widereaching study, which I mentioned before, the "Suicides after pregnancy in Finland, 1987-94: register linkage" study, which looked at VIRTUALLY EVERY female suicide in Finland from 1987-94 as well as a follow-up study 1987-2000 found that women who had abortions were much more suicidal than those who gave birth
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 - Your study was absolutely NOT the most wide-reaching (nor the most recent) In a review of 216 peer-reviewed articles on the subject of abortion and mental health found that "The most consistent predictor of mental disorders after abortion remains preexisting disorders, which, in turn, are strongly associated with exposure to sexual abuse and intimate violence." The one study you referenced has serious methodological issues... research it.
kcsorci 1 year ago 2
@kcsorci
Then do you have more wide-reaching original research that disagrees with the Finnish study? What is it? The one you mentioned is a synthesis of other people's studies, and doesn't change anything about my point that abortion harm's mental health; it does not help it.
Many of the criticisms focused on suicide attemps where the link was less clear, instead of just successful suicides. Furthermore, the study was replicated in 2005 using years 1987-2000 reaching the same conclusion.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1
Across the world, from Singapore (PMID: 18830543), to the UK (PMID: 19043144) corelations between induced abortions and mental health problems, have been found in countries where research can be conducted without so many political issues coming to play.
Now where is the research that says induced abortion improves mental health to justify the vast majority of health-related abortions which are procured on mental health grounds. When a potentially viable fetus dies, who benefits?
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 - Politics do not come into to play when we're discussing peer-reviewed methodologically sound scientific studies (and I'd be interested in your proof that there aren't as many "political issues" in places like Singapore or the UK, that's some pretty bizarre posturing.) Lastly, I'd like you to provide your source for what you believe the "vast majority" of mental health-related abortions are done for.
kcsorci 1 year ago
@kcsorci
from [Psychiatric complications of abortion] published Cuad Bioet. 2009 Sep-Dec;20(70):381-92. PMID: 19799479
"There is agreement among researchers on the need to compare the mental health outcomes (or the psychiatric complications) with appropriate groups, including women with unintended pregnancies ending in live births and women with miscarriages. . . .The fact of voluntarily aborting has an undeniable ethical dimension in which facts and values are"
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1
Continued:
"interwoven. RESULT: No research study has found that induced abortion is associated with a better mental health outcome, although the results of some studies are interpreted as "neutral" or "mixed"
So what benefits are we getting from allowing people to kill human fetuses if it is not giving better mental health outcomes? Will you please answer that question instead of dodging it. Or show a positive to mental health, not just an supposed lack of negatives.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
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It is on the KS for life (KLF) website. Or you can look at the KS state website and compile them yourself. Notice how the amount of late term abortions to prevent irreversible loss of function is always exactly the same as the amount to prevent irreversible loss of mental function, while the irreverisble loss of physical function is always 0. Also, notice that the amount to protect the life of the mother is also always 0.
Don't mention any facts like this on a pro-choice website
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 I did look up the stats, apparently you did not. Of the 121 abortions performed at 22+ weeks gestation in 2009, 67 were at a time when the physician determined a reasonable probability that the fetus may be viable & it was determined that in all 67 cases (100%) the woman would "suffer substantial & irreversible impairment of a major bodily function if she were forced to continue the pregnancy"
source: KDHE bureau of public health
kcsorci 1 year ago
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@kcsorci
Did you read what I wrote??? In EVERY CASE where a woman was to "suffer substantial & irreversible impairment of a major bodily function..." and the cause recorded on a vs-213 form (1998-99 on that website), the impairment was mental. ZERO risks of physical impairments were recorded.
"I'm not certain exactly how you could fail to note that self-determination / autonomy are beneficial to all women"
Not if it involves killing people, born or unborn.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@kcsorci continued:
"Its strange that you omit this bit..."
I had to edit down my post to make it 500 characters. As you can see, that part took up most of your post by itself and anyway, pointing out the limitations in ones research and calling for further study is found in almost all articles of this type; it was not unique.
" It appears as if your post supports my previous comments, eh? "
No, I don't recall you saying anything to this effect at all.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 The benefits of allowing women to determine if, when, with whom & under what circumstances they are willing &/or able to become or remain pregnant (& bring new life into this world/their families) is that we are treating women as competent, rational, moral people. I'm not certain exactly how you could fail to note that self-determination / autonomy are beneficial to all women... including the pregnant ones.
kcsorci 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 Its strange that you omit this bit from your quote of a Spanish article written re: the methodological issues surrounding abortion/mental health outcomes "There is also agreement on the need to control for the potential confounding effects of multiple variables: demographic, contextual, personal development, previous/current traumatic experiences & mental health prior to the obstetric event." It appears as if your post supports my previous comments, eh?
kcsorci 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 - Yes, every study ever done with a methodological rating of "Excellent" or "Very Good" have reflected no link between abortion (spontaneous or elective) and mental health sequelae. Again, in a review of 216 peer-reviewed articles on the subject of abortion and mental health, researchers found that "there is no convincing evidence that induced abortion of an unwanted pregnancy is a per se significant risk factor for psychiatric illness."
kcsorci 1 year ago
@kcsorci (cont) The study referenced is not merely "a synthesis of other people's studies" - perhaps you do not understand what peer-reviewed means (it is a process by which something proposed -as for research or publication- is evaluated by a group of experts in the appropriate field. Ergo, no peer-review, no scientific credibility... got that now?
kcsorci 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1 - No matter how much you (or Dr. McHugh) may feel that a woman's well-being is insignificant, it will not make it true. Again, it is illegal to perform a late-term abortion on a *healthy* woman with a *healthy* pregnancy. Please feel free to reference the court case where a doctor has been convicted of breaking this law. Thanks, in advance.
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@ihaveadesk1 Yes, late-term abortion is absolutely "some obvious medical decision usually made by the patients [OBGYN]" - if you have evidence to the contrary, please feel free to share. Again, I suggest you research the reasons why women have late term abortions (try: A Heartbreaking Choice via web & "Our Heartbreaking Choices" is a fabulous book on the subject.) Using misinformation is not an effective way to support your opinion... it speaks to your credibility.
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kcsorci 1 year ago
@omgcarrotsticks That's like saying "if you don't like murder, don't kill anyone". It isn't going to stop people from murdering each other which doesn't solve the real problem, the actual deaths.
CDubSD 1 year ago
don't like slavery, don't buy one. don't like genocide, don't participate in one. don't like rape, don't do it.
banning them would be forcing my morality onto others. oh wait....
gameragodzilla 1 year ago
@omgcarrotsticks
"IF YOU DON'T LIKE ABORTION, DON'T HAVE ONE"-and if you don't like shooting abortion doctors, then don't shoot one...
ohconservativeme 9 months ago
@ohconservativeme Shooting an abortion doctor hurts a lot of people. Aborting a fetus hurts no one. Try again.
gingerbreadcorpses 9 months ago
@gingerbreadcorpses
Aborting a fetus hurts no one? Your full of it.
1)when a fetus is killed, someone dies. When a doctor is shot, someone dies
2) killing a fetus does traumatize the mother sometimes, even the family will be angered a bit. The same can be said for the doc's family.
3) being shot is more humane then being aborted
ohconservativeme 9 months ago
@ohconservativeme This is an excellent message to your number about people who don't like abortion! Now this one you have no problem with IF YOU DON'T LIKE KILLING A CORRUPT COP, DON'T KILL A CORRUPT COP, however do not tell some cop killer gang of both adults, and juvenile delinquents together that they cannot go around killing corrupt cops, which you must be okay with!
kjbhlogkh 7 months ago in playlist Pro Life
@kjbhlogkh
ehhh even then, if someone kills a corrupt cop, its still murder. I'd rather the cop be tried in court then killed by someone.
ohconservativeme 7 months ago
@ohconservativeme I understand what you wrote, and what I have written is to say that when it comes to an unborn baby that is extremely different than someone who is fully aware of what they are doing when it comes to people who are getting revenge on people who are employed by a government, and you are dead wrong for saying that a human fetus is not a human life, because that is divorcing human life from personhood!
kjbhlogkh 7 months ago
@omgcarrotsticks If you don't like infanticide just don't indulge. Just mind your own business. If you don't like murder, just live and let live. Let others do as they choose.
carcabe 8 months ago
@omgcarrotsticks This is something that people like yourself need to be told, and that is if you do not want a child, then give that child up for adoption you do not kill that child! Yes it is the business of other people that innocent baby is not being aloud to live, and that is a fact! Do not tell anyone this business of IF YOU DON'T LIKE ABORTION, DON'T HAVE ONE, because the simple truth is that human babies are non - negotioble!
kjbhlogkh 7 months ago in playlist Pro Life
This is fraud and it had nothing to do with being pro-life , they knew each other and it was a grudge . The guy killed a non christian at a gravel yard and planned to murder yet a third UNRELATED person . Tiller was murdered ( try using that word ) in his church in front of his family. Show me the proof that ANY pro-lifer was murdered by a choicer. It's a lie just as this is a lie. Prolifers are basically born from white supremist groups and murder lots of people.
darliegoddess 2 years ago
See this:
mlive*com/news/flint/index*ssf /2009/09/james_m_pouillon_crit icizes_fa*html
darliegoddess 2 years ago
"Prolifers are basically born from white supremist groups and murder lots of people. "
Wow, you can't get much more intolerant that that.
jimmyjohnsonrocks123 2 years ago
I'm sorry but it is true. This man James Pouillion was a wife beater who even his son disowned. Anti Abortionists are a violent group.
darliegoddess 2 years ago
That's your angle? A few bad apples spoils the bunch?
Remember....your initial statement was, "Prolifers are basically born from white supremist groups and murder lots of people." That's an intolerant statment. Just because someone is prolife doesn't mean they are anti-aboortion to the point of radical behavior.
jimmyjohnsonrocks123 2 years ago
I don't hear any of you condemning Dr Tiller killer hypocrite .
darliegoddess 2 years ago
@darliegoddess
I am not white supremecist.
I am pro life.
I am offended by you idiot.
End of subject.
You are incredibly arrogant to proclaim that prolifers are murderers and white supremecist. You are intolerant and incredibly closed minded. You dismiss other peoples beliefs by using stereotypes that are not based off of facts.
the5thCount 2 years ago
I am super pro-life, I love people of all races and never will be a part of a white supremacy group. Most minorities are liberals and democrats and for abortion. Since it is republicans and conservatives who are having more children and adopting much higher percentages of those who need adoption, then in a few years liberals will have aborted themselves nearly out of existence, which I believe is their choice. So in that regard I am pro-choice.
nosbigydna 2 years ago
A bunch of murderous people murdering someone does not surprise me in the least.
greetingsearthlings1 2 years ago
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sealpawroe 2 years ago
Maybe you should make a video telling women to keep their knees together..Just an idea but I don't think anybody will listen
theprolifeguy 2 years ago
@theprolifeguy If you're going to be THAT ignorant, maybe you should tell men that they should keep it in their pants. It takes two, you know.
omgcarrotsticks 2 years ago 3
@omgcarrotsticks, aka baby killer, noo, according you and yours it only takes 2 when paying for everything, AFTER the baby is born, remember......her body her choice, lol it kills me how u hypocorcits forget that everyother argument.
ORVX 1 year ago
The guy that did it should be allowed to plead to a lesser included offense: disposing og garbage without a permit.
A $25 fine would be just about right.
BenAliGtor 2 years ago 2
thank god for abortion:)
hakkespade 2 years ago
too bad it's not retroactive, then we could abort you!! people like you who are so mean that they "thank God for abortion" should not be breathing someone else's air. You are a danger to society.
chiliqueenmama 2 years ago
so you do agre with me then?;)
hakkespade 2 years ago
Had to find out about this here. Yet another story the pro abort media ignores.
Kinda like Prominent Chicago
abortionist Richard Ragsdale who made "kiddie porn" featuring his own
3-year-old daughter.
Media ignored that one.
Or
LA abortionist Alicia Ruiz Hanna who murdered Angela Sanchez, a
27-year-old mother of four, at her Santa Ana abortion mill. The abortionist tried to stuff Angela's body into the trunk of her car in full view of the deceased woman's children,
cont.
ThomasJS1 2 years ago
LA abortionist Dr. Ivan Namihas. Charged with four incidents of rape, 45 incidents of sexual abuse, gross negligence and so on.
Gerald is right there are far more than 100 incidents like this. And the media all but, ignores it.
Here's a pro abort attacking a pro lifer for HOLDING A SIGN,
/watch?v=WKe14jtpbbY
see for yourselves.
Ahh yet another reason I despise pro abort/choicers.
As if the pedophile protection ring err abortion clinics weren't reason enough.
ThomasJS1 2 years ago
@ThomasJS1 "
Ahh yet another reason I despise pro abort/choicers.
As if the pedophile protection ring err abortion clinics weren't reason enough."
Isn't the "pedophile protection ring" more commonly known as the "Catholic church"?
nekkidandrew 1 year ago
That's One of them. Well, not sure I'd call it a protection ring, perhaps more like CPS, it's where pedo's come to find their victims.
Planned parenthood & other abortion clinics are more into the protection part, by covering up the crimes & not reporting them.
Then again, I do see your point it could also be a protection ring, the whole BS priest keeping secrets thing.
BTW, I'm an Agnostic, leaning towards Atheism.
ThomasJS1 1 year ago
Johnny Wallace was attacked by two women in Arizona attacked for holding signs! look like the pro choice folks are getting violent just as the rest of the left seiu thugs e.l.f. man and they worry about tea party folks whatever.
IowaOkoboji 2 years ago
Thanks for the Video and your commentay. I did not find any news or commentary in the Chicago papers on this murder. Let the Love Light shine.
dmarj2 2 years ago
i live in owosso and i was at school when it happend. im super pissed that this happened bc he had a right to be there and he was just voiceing his opinion. its called freedom of speech.
rereidkproductions 2 years ago 5
Yep, it's been a week now, and I don't hear anything more about this story in the media. You would have to seach internet articles to follow up on the story.
Danny123456789009876 2 years ago
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Danny123456789009876 2 years ago
Oh and one more thing, I would like, wait...love more like it, love to know if you are going to adopt all of the unwanted babies in the world and take care of each and everyone of them? Take them to school, to the doctors, to church, on vacations, feed them, bathe them, put them through college. And if so then how would you manage that conquest?
dreamskillme 2 years ago
One baby at a time.
Danny123456789009876 2 years ago
No I can't adopt them all,but I did adopt 2 beautiful children who are now all grown up & have beautiful children of their own...Now its your turn...
theprolifeguy 2 years ago
Thats for dreamskillme...Shes lucky life didn't kill her...Her mother brought her to full term...Maybe some other babies will have the same chance someday
theprolifeguy 2 years ago
I would like to pointe out to your ignorant self that I was adopted. I love children but I will not have then by chance, only by choice so I can provide everything for them they completley deserve. I am just simply not ready. Nothing wrong with that.
dreamskillme 2 years ago
nightmare,
It's funny you should say that. Because there are tons of people who would love to adopt a newborn baby. They are hard to find. So yes, we will adopt them and raise them.
liarslayer 2 years ago
They called him Anit-Abortion Protester instead of "Pro-Life" because there is a major difference between the two. Clearly you haven't figured that out yet. Plus this didn't take place in Detroit it took place in Owosso, don't mix them up they are completely different. OMG OVER 100 SINCE 1990!! NO PLEASE SAY IT AINT SO! Yeah it isn't right but in that amount of time that's small considering how many ppl died here in Detroit since January.
dreamskillme 2 years ago
Liberals have no heart
theprolifeguy 2 years ago
uh your not the one to judge wether liberals or good or bad people, yea im pro choice. dont hate us for our opinions, if abortion was illegal, people would still abortions ANYWAYS, except they would be in the back of an alley with a coat hanger instead of going to a doctor for a safe way to abort the fetus. i understand life is important but womens rights has gone a long ways.
DeadEndJustice13 2 years ago
lie.
dreamskillme 2 years ago
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One less Republican voter. How sweet it is.
Palin123Sucks 2 years ago
The killer probably said it was just a "Post birth abortion."
FrontalTraction 2 years ago 4
bible thumpers... dont u call my momma a bible thumper u fuck face!
itsMYsensitivePEACE 2 years ago
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Bible-thumpers need to realize something. Jim Pouillon was shot to death. Everything that occurs is part of God's plan. This means that God personally willed Jim to be murdered and Harlan Drake is a holy soldier of God. As such, you should all hold a vigil for Harlan and beg that he be released since he was only doing God's work. Be sure and bring your bibles! You can wave them in the air as you chant.
MrTurbochargd 2 years ago
No, otherwise God would not have punished Cain for killing Abel.
Guardianoftheunborn 2 years ago 2
We all began as fetuses what the pro choice people refuse to understand or care about. America needs God's Judgment. Perhaps we are soon to get that for America is falling apart. God warns this would happen when the nation sins greatly.
starlight1946 2 years ago 3
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Woooooow you're retarded. :]
Atheism / Pro-choice for the win.
theer1ca 2 years ago
I have been in the prolife movement for 25 years and I've never heard of a prolifer murdered before. You claim there have been over 100. Can you provide at least some documentation for that?
ljdonlan 2 years ago
Well I've been a sidewalk counselor for 30.Go to the "Human life international" website..I was wrong about the hundred actually...They say its "1300"...Murder manslaughter kidnapping torture rape wounding 2172 cases by pro-choicers since 2000,A mere 27 by pro-lifers since 2000..Pro-choicers mostly attack individuals while prolifers attack clinics & doctors...Pro-life radio host Jerry Simon was shot through his living room window by a prochoicer while watching TV with his children
theprolifeguy 2 years ago
Actually the site says "1,251 homicides and other killings" but it doesn't differentiate pro-life killings. It does mention Jerry Simon, so that's one with only 99 to go.
ljdonlan 2 years ago
I would like t see that too, I know there has been plenty of violence against pro-life people.
BenjaminWirtz 2 years ago
What a waste of perfectly good ammunition.
BenAliGtor 2 years ago
Hear hear haha
The8Incredible6Bulk 2 years ago
to the people that dont know what Mr.Pouillon had on his sign...it was a picture of a smiling baby with the word life on it! I live in Owosso and the shooting was less then a mile from my home!!! I have seen JIm millions of times with his signs and I admire him for showing what he believed in! Those poor men did not deserve to die..THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY...you can show/tell people what you believe in there is NOTHING wrong with that!! I DONT BELIEVE IN ABORTIONS EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
heather48801 2 years ago 4
I never heard about this! Of course it will not be covered like the murder of Dr Tiller.
dandice2006 2 years ago
Damn, they said ANTI-ABORTION.
You know the recent murder of the Abortion Doctor they called him PRO-CHOICE, instead of PRO-ABORTION.
Naturalhit 2 years ago 3
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Boo hoo!
FreeRangePancake 2 years ago
i hadn't heard of this.
I am so sorry.
Thanks for sharing this...
vickieburns3 2 years ago 2
Has anyone actually seen a picture of the actual sign he was carrying when he was shot? I can't find any on the entire internet. They keep claiming he was carrying a graphic sign, but every article I've read describes this particular sign as a "baby with the word LIFE underneath it".
PhilippeDeChampaigne 2 years ago
May James Pouillon be remembered as a martyr, a Christian, and a hero. Tragically, I doubt he will receive the same respect that Ted Kennedy the murderer received.
The mass media will surely ignore this story as much as they possibly can.
PhilippeDeChampaigne 2 years ago
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It's interesting how the pro-lifers completely ignore the other individual killed -- I wonder why that would be?
MrTouchShriek 2 years ago
They didn't.
Guardianoftheunborn 2 years ago
Look around youtube, bud -- all the focus is on Jim Pouillon. At least one of the following is true:
1) Despite rhetoric otherwise, pro-lifers only care about themselves and individuals affiliated with their crusade.
2) Pro-lifers think that covering the whole story will lessen the pro-life martyrdom angle. In some ways this is worse, because telling half the story to push your political agenda shows a real lack of integrity.
MrTouchShriek 2 years ago
When George Tiller was killed didn't the media focus almost all of the attention of his shooting? When Jim Pouillon was shot only some attention was given.
I have prayed for both Jim and Mike. I certainly did not exclude the second victim. But the fact that Jim was murdered for his pro-life views is definatly going to spark more attention. When Michael Jackson died nearly everyone forgot about Farrah Fawcett who also died the same day he did. No alot of people have forgotten Mike fauss.
Guardianoftheunborn 2 years ago
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You know, you people are lucky this piece of crap even made it to the blip. The man held a GRUDGE against several people. MSN released this info today!
You don't just kill people over a stupid political disagreement!
I must have overestimated the intelligence of the likes of people as exemplified in these comments. You would have to be insane to kill a person over a political dispute. The media doesn't cover these things because insane people do stuff all the time.
VoiceHunter 2 years ago
The man was plotting to kill a third guy, as he did with the protester, and, as Paul said, a guy from a gravel company. The shooter is nuts for saying that he shot the guy for his protesting, but there has to be more behind it.
VoiceHunter 2 years ago
Isn't that what Roe vs Wade was. Nothing more than a political dispute over who had more rights over a woman's body. She had every right to keep her legs closed. When she got pregnant because she didn't, she gave up her rights. That body was the home of an innocent baby. SIZE, LEVEL OF INTELLIGENCE, ENVIRONMENT & DEGREE OF DEPENDENCY. These r the diffences between u & the fetus. Is MURDER justified for any of those reasons? THINK!!!
wayinoutreach 2 years ago