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  • It is interesting how many US politicians and Corporate leaders and Entertainment figures have been knighted by the queen. Just google Americans Knighted by the Queen of England. There's not really anything to it other than the queen acknowledging her gratitude to whom ever she feels worthy. Or who has served her well.

  • God what a load of horseshit, that is easily disapproved, such as, the 13th amendment referred to in the video is the Title of Nobility Amendment says accepting a title of nobility means you lose your US citizenship. Plus it was never ratified and is therefore not law.

  • Twig and Plums... What now?!?! lol

  • This is garbage, if the war of independence was a conspiracy, which it would have to be for it to end with the crown still in charge (which I don't believe), what the hell was the war of independence for? So lets see how this "imperial possession" of Britain has behaved, first it planned to invade the British empire to conquer Canada in 1930, but then the US simply settled on building up the military strength of Germany and then extorting the entire wealth of Britain in exchange for help in WW2

  • Amen in the greek has multiple meanings but that verse was mis-stated in this video. In kings, he said AMEN in agreement to the previous verse of Soloman becoming king. They are twisting information to try and make a point.

  • great video John!! =)

  • Uhm the 13th amendment abolished slavery. This whole piece is a pile of brown and smelly. Utter nonsense!

  • @BenjiREC

    You need to look at the treaty that was signed, between the United States of America, Britain, and the "Exchequer" working for the Vatican.

    Maryland was originally designated as a CATHOLIC colony. It is no coincidence that the national capitol was placed there. The land that Washington D.C. sits on, is still owned by the Vatican. Washington D.C. is literally under Vatican jurisdiction.

  • None of this is true the only thing that is truth is that humans are always going to be slaves even when you are the president or pope or king you will still be a slave to god which isn't real because aliens made us as slaves to give them resources such as gold and water for their home planet so really everything we know is a LIE (so is the cake)

  • @General3600 NONE OF IT IS TRUE?? Really? I am not so sure about some of the claims,, but about the Federal Reserve and who owns it,, that is true,, it is no more federal than the federal reserve,,and it cannot be audited beyond what they agree to,, and it has been this way since 1913

  • (1 Kings 1:36) 36 At once Be‧nai′ah the son of Je‧hoi′a‧da answered the king and said: “Amen! Thus may Jehovah the God of my lord the king say. She slipped the lie about the word amen playing a semantic word game to deny the authorthenticity of the Bible as being the word of God

  • When truth is mixed with lies it can sound very impressive but all it does is lead you back to being a slave to the liar that is the Ruler of this world. The same one that promoted, if YOU rebel aganist God that you would become like God. True Spirituality starts when a person begins to do as outlined in the Scriptures @ John 17:3. Once you gain accurate information about the two individuals that are mentioned then your eyes will be open and your purpose in life will begin!

  • All you religious idiots r beyond foolish, your knowledge is an indoctrinated JOKE. You look to your books written to enslave your weak mind for answers, or should i say you look for what u want to hear. U know nothing. Except what G-o-d tells u.

    U want to know 'something

    Jah bul on, is the real name of your G-O-D.

    A truly righteous God doesn't need material existence.

  • yeah and deviled eggs are evil, and inset, onset, unsettled and settlement all worship the egyptian god set....foolish old bat

  • At the end of my prayers, I will say Amen! it does not mean the same thing. Evryone always try to find something out of nothing. Does skool and school mean the same thing? last time I checked, one is a cigarette name and the other an education institution.

  • @chuckyoo Your right! I mean what about loads of other words that are written exactly the same even in other languages ,but have a total different meaning or source!. This word in both English and Greek is a transliteration from the Hebrew ʼa‧men′. The meaning is “so be it,” or “surely.” The Hebrew root word from which it is drawn (ʼa‧man′) means “be faithful; be trustworthy.” .So the info in this video is NOT true ,for this part that is.

  • @oOMelomaniacOo

    Amen to that!

  • @chuckyoo 

  • bullshit

  • DEATH TO ZIONISM

    DEATH TO THE NWO

    DEATH TO THE WORLD BANK

    DEATH TO ANTINATIONALISM

    DEATH TO MULTI CULTURISM

    DEATH TO THE EUROPEAN UNION

    LOVE YOUR ENEMY PRAY FOR YOUR ENEMY

  • I had to refresh this video 3 times before it played.

    Anywho, fuck the dominators that aim to enslave us.

    Humanity is beautiful and will rise above the slave-master's game.

  • So far(after checking 4 versions), only the KJV renders I Kings 1:36 this way (... Amen: the LORD God of my lord...). All of the other versions (RSV, ISR, and NIV) render this verse as "...Amen! So says YHWH Elohim of my master and sovereign. I'm just sayin ...

  • Our mind is the gun, and our ideas the bullets. Are you unarmed or are you packing a gattling gun? Fire your weapons people, fire away!!

  • WTF ?! So all Religions are infiltrated too ??? If so where is our hope ??

    In what we should trust if even all Religion are praising Ammon ??!

    Can someone help I'm really shocked about this! O.O

  • @Razorwind9211 You can use everything positively and negatively. Masons do the latter, as you learn to control your negative emotions, no one can harm you. Just stay away from being scared, remember: It's "they" who are the weaker force here on earth.

    Just like the Beatles song "All you need is love" ;)

    That we forget too often while being scared by videos of the "nasty freemasons" etc... Just relax and then creative actions can be taken against it step by step.

  • @Razorwind9211 So far(after checking 4 versions), only the KJV renders I Kings 1:36 this way (... Amen: the LORD God of my lord...). All of the other versions (RSV, ISR, and NIV) render this verse as "...Amen! So says YHWH Elohim of my master and sovereign. I'm just sayin ... 

  • whats the name of this film?

  • This lady is the one spreading fear and misinformation. She got somethings right but a lot wrong.It's not all one conspiracy dating back thousands of years.

  • @worldwidedownload

    Has she stated that its all one conspiracy dating back to thousands of years??

  • @Matu1 Yes. she certainly implied it.

  • @worldwidedownload

    Please tell me where she implies that it dates back thousands of years?

  • @Matu1 Watch this again or more of the series and tell me she dosen't imply it dates back to Egypt,Rome,Jerusalem.

  • @worldwidedownload

    I dont know about the series but here there was nothing that dates back thousands of years.

  • @Matu1

    If she says that Muslims,Christians and Jews are praising Ammon by using "Amen/Amin" she dates this whole shit back thousands of years.

  • how bout stars for the Zionist state Israel! Vatican was setup by Zionist Jesuits!

  • nwo sucks

  • Bad news: Novus Ordo Seclorum does not mean "new world order". It means "new order of the ages and simply refers to the founding of the united states. The illuminati existed for like 10 years, about 250 years ago, and never had more than 2000 members. They never wanted to "rule the world". fail conspiracy theorists =p

    (yes, now you can start raging and telling me I'm blind sheep etc etc)

  • This is a gross misreading of The Paris Peace Treaty of 1783 which in a litany of titles calls King George III, "...prince elector of the Holy Roman Empire etc., and of the United States of America...." A prince elector is simply someone who elects the Emperor of the old Holy Roman Empire. Clearly the titles ended at "etc.," and the US was being referred to separately. Also, the Titles of Nobility Amendment was never ratified and never became the 13th amendment.

  • Amazing Video! More people need to see this! Where did you get this from? WOW! Talk about World Deception!

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  • where is rest of this video?

    

  • @9114steve search: ring of power

  • Is London's one the London in England?

  • The Vatican too is full of corruption. It's supposed to be about God, but it's not. They are good at deceiving people.

  • gotta love the madness that is our reality. cognitive dissonance has most of the public by the short and curlys.

    I must admit, it is nice to see all the righteous comments. hopefully 2012 will be when we realize we are being ass raped and fight back.

  • hey guys if you subscribe me i will sub you back , a friend invite is good too! =)

  • Thanks for reminding that we are being fucked for a few thousand years. Under the guise of misinformation,But their control of media, and who remains in control of the world, nvever almost expose themselves.

  • Google image search:

    obelisk brazil

    obelisk Argentina

    obelisk turkey

    obelisk Paris

    obelisk New Zealand

    Etc. Etc.

    My point is, there are a great many obelisks all over the world. Old and new. This three city axis of evil idea in the above video doesn't seem to mention obelisks are rather common, but rather, that they are sinisterly connected with covert government.

    So, when exactly will New Zealand start giving us orders? Hmm?

  • OzzyPatriot,

    Good point.

    the 3 obelisks mentioned are the 3 primary ones. the rest are symbols of Veni, vidi, vici.

  • @OzzyPatriot

    Doesn't change the fact that an obelisk is soposed to keep the spirit of a pegan God, so then why did the vatican raise one, if they're only soposed to belive in one God?

  • @RageAgainstNWO That is explained in Angels and Demons

  • the three stars are from Washington's family crest thing

  • very good info i agreed with almost everything u said ,

    but u as many others have mistaken true christianity with Cathoicism. they are very different. catholicism is Baal (sun god) worship poorly disguised as christianity. many protestant churchs are baal worshipers too.

    by the way ur taking 1 kings 1:36 out of context. king david is giving his servant an order to bring him solomon to be crowned king and he replies, amen (so be it) the lord God of my lord the king agrees.

  • its simple when ppl care about other ppl as much as they care about themselves then true progress can begin

  • of course how come a few won provinces could stand against old nation like British...to stop the war and united state total annihilation, peace treaties was made..paying tributes and so on.

  • yo nuff did you know that your name can be spelled nu666respect? did you know that when you took the name? someone told me this and how you were a nwo shill... i told him to fuck off but he has a point when it comes to your name ...just asking man. keep up the great vids bro you reach a lot of people 5 stars as always

  • easy - more people will ridicule this and slag it off than the few of us that will actually pay attention to the facts.

    Conspiracies exist, the best way to cover them is in plain sight. Watch more vidoes of the illuminati and you will see they do it very very often.

    Youtube vid, slag it off, and if any questions get asked - just claim it was made by some crazy hippy in his room who is so paranoid he see's things in these illogical ways.

    The world is brainwashed - these videos pose no threat

  • Ok what I cannot understand is: if illuminati controls the media and everything, then how come this is on youtube. Who made the documentary. And if they have that much of power, the person made this documentary is already dead.

  • Bullshit, these guys are part of the mystery schools!

  • WOW

  • id like to know more about free mason influances with the NWO, but I dont have time for it right now.

  • The Illuminati infiltrated most of the American masonic lodges, the masons that prove to be useful are initiated higher to the luciferian degress, that is 30-33. Just like Albert Pike thaught.

  • Blessed Love Brother :))

  • your awsome guy!

  • lol nevermind

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  • this is the same stone thats is repesented as SATAN in hajj when muslims do pilgrimage

  • I've been to the vaticant like 10 days ago. Looks nice but its EVIL!

  • Nostradamus predicted this is the last Pope elected

  • Nostradamus is a fool and a fraud. Nobody can predict what will happen in the future. They can only know what will happen if they have inside information. And what happens after pope Benedict dies? Nostradamus also predicted the world will end in the year 3797. What does this mean???

  • Exactly! NO ONE CAN TELL THE FUTURE!!!!!!!! NEVER!!!!!

  • i hate history about the american colony's

    im a little bit native american and it pisses

    me off how they riped them off and

    just took everything.

  • I agree

  • yea thats why im also not reallie into polotics, there douches and i can easily tell there lying.

  • great in nuffrespect , i will only upload your videos sweetie x0x0x0x m so into you !

  • ron paul. audit the fed!!!

  • @magfan77

    Ron Paul is a mason

  • The Obelisk does not symbolize sex, it symbolizes new life. The resurrection is Jesus coming back to life. New Life. Like when the son comes up in the morning.Yes the penis is part of that but in a spiritual way. Sex not for pleasure but for new life. And they didn't worship it. They simply gave it a significance in their lives because this brought the peace of the light during the day and removed the fear and uncertainty of the dark night time. More simple than historians sell us.

  • *BUZZ* Wrong you are!

    Time for some good old face bashing, it's time us People of the free world unite to clean out this Rubbish that controls us. bash down the Obelisk's, throw out the Queen of England, kill the Masions, and rebuild the worlds Financial systems. the British Empire is as Evil as it gets.

  • It's not wrong It' s amazing to know there are so many people who think they know. I am from that region (more south) and there are many Obelisk in the area where I grew up and the history about this goes back at least 30,000 years. Not only is it the history of my town it is also something I had to give an untrue answer about in the pursuit of my Masters degree in Anthropology. So the white lie you learned, I learned but I don't quote it anymore. Read 40 books 2 learn 1 thing then u r smart

  • i think the interpretation of "amen" is not correct. i read it to mean "the Lord God...say so too" meaning God approves.

  • they handed over Americas gold and silver reserves to the rothschilds...so THAT'S why gold is being pushed now.

  • type " The Arrivals " in the search box and choose a Playlist, it has 52 part vids to explain the truth about the world and the masonic plans to control the world, Also it has proofs from the bible and the quran.

    please please please please see the video and wake up your minds !!

  • yes and "labyrinth of truth" is a great set of videos too

  • waaaaaaaaaw seems like were doomed

  • Guam contols everything, all else is media control. Notice how Guam never gets blamed for anything. Notice how America will protect Guam in any instance. Google Guam and you'll see.

  • Some of this is true but not really.

  • The oblisk symbolizes power as a phalix symbol. But if you look at it from above you see a pyramid inside 2 circles. This symbolizes that all power is held by those in the inner circle. Those people of the outer circle have power by association only. And those outside both circles have no power at all..

  • look at how dumb you are wwood

  • I've read that the king of England financed both sides of the war..

  • AMEN does not exists in quran of muslim,

    but they say it every prayer, AMEEN is an arabic word means (we all togather)

    but as I stated its never mentioned in quran

  • Please check out what could be the final nail in the coffin of the official 9/11 story

    ´NATIONAL SECURITY ALERT - SENSITIVE INFORMATION

  • Ring of Power is to me still the best documentary about the bloodlines of the illuminati. I'm not saying all of the presented information is true, but it sure gets you thinking and most of it is plausible.

  • What's up with all this info on the video? Is all of it true? Is some of it true?

  • it's almost all true...

    Try David Wilcock 2012 enigma...

    open your mind...

    Peace

  • This is it, I am not saying Amen ever again.

  • Rascist!

  • Amen thats what I saw too God YHWH would not put his name on this money ,thanks nuff for pointing this out ,13 colonies,13 stars,this was well planned from the beginning

  • @deanna: They won't put the name of 'YHWH' on it until they have complete control over the U.S., I don't think.

    But that chance is getting lesser and lesser every day.

  • Life is one big Lie!

  • There's an obelisk in Paris to... on Place de la Concorde.

  • there's a fuking pentagram puls an obelisk in the center of Vatican square, how about that????

  • DOH!

  • ridiculous.

  • King James was gay. - Just a reminder since it is Gay Liberation Month.

    The POTUS is not just a president of a corporation, he is the frontman for the New World Order Conspiracy. It is not a theory.

  • he was not gay, however people said that in an effort to discredit him and the bible translation that bears his name.

    just like you are doing right now.

  • @vgcloudx: Or perhaps the 'good' King James was gay, and the people in power would prefer that you not know that.

  • 13th amendment abolishes slavery...

  • why didnt she mention the one in paris?

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  • @sweettina2 Sad that we have been slaves for this long. We need all the male race to join together and stop this group of gangsters that have been controling/ brainwashing us for centuries. We need men to stop being lazy and waste their time of short term ratifications vices being true heros in fighting anything that is not of high morals like billboards that sell your daughters, sisters, mothers and friends to be whores. We have been molested in elementry to high school and now the clubs. hell.

  • @PurposeOnEarth Absolutely! We have a radio network for patriots, great stuff happening and we are saying the same thing you said. Come over and check it out. Its The Watchmen Radio Network dot biz.

  • @sweettina2 The Watchmen dot biz is a great radio network where people are fighting back effectively. Join us.

  • @sweettina2 Thank you for the invite & for the comment! I definately will check u out! I don't know if this is a stupid question is but it is a radio show or a network? or both. What is the station or the website address so I can inquire. Thank again for sharing. Namaste.

  • @PurposeOnEarth It is both a radio network, the hosts and chat room are like family, we are all over the us. The hosts, and some members have participated in the last "Restore The Constitution Rallies" and more of them coming up. yt wont let me post a link, just go to The Watchmen Radio Network . biz , if you dont find it, it is posted on my channel. Hope to see you there!

  • THE PEOPLE RUNNING THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT ARE DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY.

    We dont agree with the NONACTIONS OF WASHINGTON ON ONE OF THE GREATEST ATROCITIES PERPETRATED ON ANY PEOPLE.

    WE ARE OUTRAGED AT THE TORTURE AND RAPE OF CHILDREN AND ADULTS!!!

    WE ARE FED UP WITH THE TYRANNY NOT ONLY IN THIS COUNTRY, BUT WHAT OUR WAR MACHINE DOES IN OTHER COUNTRIES.WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE IN IRAQ SLAUGHTERING INNOCENTS.

    DO NOT BELIEVE MAINSTREAM NEWS...WE ARE MAD.

  • i agree with u brother we will stand up to the these assholes and put an end to the NWO

  • I once believed that religion should be destroyed, largely because of reading a book called the God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, Islam and the Catholic Church do not help matters.

  • everything in the God delusion was made up.

  • since it was the 13th amendment they took it out bcuz they thought it was bad luck! LOL Like when buildings don't have a 13th floor :)

  • Is that the voice of Mary Steenbergen?

  • O.U.T.S.T.A.N.D.I.N.G. ! ! !

  • Necrodamus, hip-hop psychic, bring you the next shady election

    then infected your mind was unprotected

    You think me approachin you with a knife looks bad

    It'll be worse, when I slice up your flesh it look all plaid

    Keep the muskets up in the bookbag, and when a crook stabs

    you in the brain, verbally you feel like you dog tagged

    The mental grave, one Jew buried under the dug plot

    The walk-in drug spot, a nice picture for me the mug shot, what?

  • I have a link to a petition on my profile to open up a new investigation into 911, you have the option of remaining anonymous. Please sign and help spread the word, signatures from all around the world may be reviewed along with comments.

    Many thanks.

    1,527 signatures so far

  • in arabic it is ameeeeen, and not amen, thus having to come from a different route word, and it means 'please accept'

  • I wouldnt say it isnt worth looking at. In fact I would surmise, but not confirm, most of the information is documented. There is truth in this story. The elite have stolen from the people through legislation and taxation and so on for years. You have got to except the elite few at builderburg have become so exceptionally wealthy over the last 50 yrs that they own a piece in everything through legal legislation. With that They control governments and the decisions and laws mde by governments

  • Sorry ant10011001, while I understand the extract one +tive element over 8 mnts of video, there are many ways to make that point.The least expected is this amalgam of t obelisk, franc-mason, isis, and claim to have an explanation of what amen means.I have rarely seen such a random mix of arguments, distorted history and symbolism for a ill-defined purpose.This kind of argument would be typical of mass-manipulation, surprising from those who believe to have their voice and their truth suppressed.

  • The Vatican isn't Christianity.

    The two cannot be and are not the same!

    I've seen the vid series this vid comes from and there are holes, mistranslations and flat out lies in it.

    A lie can have some truth in it, but if you don't exegetically look at it for yourself you'll be lead astray

  • cool do have the other half of the vid

  • Ring of power is one of the best documentaries on this global conspiracy.

    The narrator of this movie is Linda Thompson, Glenn Beck called her a leader of an extreme armed left-wing terrorist organization.

  • I am Amen's son an I liked he whole vid. Amenstop is kewl.. haha

  • And what's the deal with her jumping a whole century, there has to be some important history worth addressing in that some 100yrs.

  • I hate this lady.

    When America became bankrupt it was Alexander Hamilton who said "we'll take on a national debt as a national blessing" and initiated the national bank and production efforts for america.

    Through the american system we were creating new things, increasing living standards and making ourselves powerful, and we got other countries to imitate the American system in their own way,

    And the british hated that, it was a danger to everything that was precious to the empire.

  • i love this lady i watch all of these....the bloodlines one is soooo good

  • Wow... can we shake this Etchasketch and start over, mom? I think we screwed up...

  • dude, wow.

    there is True Christianity and there is a countierfiet christianity, identify the true christianity.

    now after that, what to say at the end of prayer?

  • First of all, that verse is NOT saying Amen is the Lord god of his lord. Learn how to read people! Amen: the LORD God of my lord the king say so too. We take away from that verse the controversy over Soloman being crowned king and not King Davids oldest son Adonijah! Amen was said to the fact that God wanted Soloman and not Adonijah (who was the eldest) to be king. Shame on you Nufff 4 puttin out misinfo! This is nothing but a shisty tactic used to get people 2 think God of the Bible is faulty.

  • like is said many different ways to say amen implying different meanings. nuff is cool and if you read his profile he to believes in God, the only True Christ God. this video isn't saying christianity is bad or false, its just that we the sinners tend to misrepresent. "christianity" has been used as a weapon to murdur people, while the true Christianity never meant that. this video is interesting and it still seems to fit with scripture alright.

  • There is a lot more to this video, check out the full documentary Empire Of The City, i thought it was really interesting...

  • This documentary is called Ring of Power

    and still is to download at the webpage BTJunkie...

  • God, I hate you guys.

  • great vid

  • I do not dispute the existence of secret societies but some of the "facts" in this video are sloppy at best.

    The word "amen" in the old/new "test-AMEN-t" in the bible is hidden proof that the bible is of pagan nature because when you change the "e" in amen to an "o" it spells the name "amon" who is a pagan god. PLEASE!

    Oh! The word testament has the same amount of letters as the word "desperate" which is what someone must be to try so hard to link Christianity to a secret pagan society.

  • In his reign (37 AD41 AD) Caligula built an amphitheater for games and races called "Circus of Caligula" on what is now Vatican Hill. He placed in its center an obelisk from Egypt. Many Christians would later be thrown to wild, hungry animals here.

    St. Peter (our first Pope) was crucified up-side-down next to the obelisk.

    The obelisk is no longer a monument to a pagan god. It is what we call a "relic by contact" of many martyrdoms. One that inspired me greatly when I visited The Vatican.

  • The President is the most Powerful man in the world?

    what a Joke.

  • Lu Kang will kick those reptilians ass jsut wait and see....but seriously why do we give people so much power?

  • Ha, ha, ha. What a bunch or crap!

    "Amun" somehow magically becomes "Amen" with ZERO DOCUMENTATION to prove it!

    And of course you have to love the idiotic assertion that the vatican is the center of "Christianity"! ANY student of the bible can clearly see that catholicism is and has always been an unscriptural pagan cult.

    I am surprised that "NufffRespect" would post something so stupid!

  • ἀμήν

    amēn

    am-ane'

    Of Hebrew origin [H543]; properly firm, that is, (figuratively) trustworthy; adverbially surely (often as interjection so be it): - amen, verily.

  • Amun, reconstructed Egyptian Yamānu (also spelled Amon, Amoun, Amen, and rarely Imen, Greek Ἄμμων Ammon, and Ἅμμων Hammon), was the name of a deity in Egyptian mythology who in the form of Amun-Ra became the focus of the most complex system of theology in Ancient Egypt. Whilst remaining hypostatic deities, Amun represented the essential and hidden, whilst in Ra he represented revealed divinity.

  • this is true actually, hard to accept but yes it is true

  • swirly's taking forever

  • this is preposterous!! it cant be true! can it???!

  • good vid lol show this in history class LMAO

  • Catholic != Christian

    Many signs of occult worship or paganism are found with the Vatican.

    From the fish hat (worship Dagon, the god of Babylon) to the crooked cross staff.

    There are upside down crosses on the Pope chair.

    Many differences are best explained by the 95 Thesis of Contention by Martin Luther.

  • i wish this wasn't true all of it is it???

    sigh

    what next

    for crying out loud

  • You could as well say Christian =!= Christian. There is no genuine Christianity, it is lost between pagan cults and communism, apokryphae and pentecostalism, gnosis and organized religion, Pat Robertson and Jesus Freaks. Every "Christian" has his private philosophy and just uses this name for it.

    Upside down crosses are nothing surprising as the Pope says that he follows the steps of Peter who was crucified upside down.

    Martin Luther was a puppet of the elite; an antisocial antisemitic lunatic.

  • 'There is no genuine Christianity'

    Could we agree on this definition of Christianity: the belief and acceptance that Jesus is the son of God and is the only way to salvation.

    Many churches have doctrine (their documented principles) that do not have this at their core. They have 'mission statements' for being all-inclusive,non-offensive, and money raising. They are not Christian.

    If you were indicted for being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you?

  • The problem with your definition is that 1. not all christians agree with it and 2. that the terms "Jesus", "son of God", "God", "salvation" can't be defined either, or to put it in another way: There are uncounted versions of how to understand these.

    Being Christian is a pretty formalistic question, and to make it worse everyone's arguing about the formal stuff. God is a bureaucrat with followers who are looking for a fight.

  • '1. not all christians agree with it and 2. that the terms "Jesus", "son of God", "God", "salvation" can't be defined either, or to put it in another way: There are uncounted versions of how to understand these.

    '

    Then maybe they are not Christians.

    Christians are followers of Christ.

    Please show a rational example that contradicts that.

    And of all orthodox Christian faiths, only Pentacostal do not believe that Christ is the son of God.

  • Maybe they aren't Christians by YOUR definition. But you neither are god nor are you in any other position to offer a binding definition of christianity.

    "Followers of Christ" is another term that can be interpreted in ANY way, and Jesuits as well as Jehova's Witnesses would agree. A definition is not something vague, abstract.

    "Son of God": Actually Pentecostal christians do believe that. But what exactely? It literally means that God put his penis in some entity which then was pregnant.