Our tradition is to teach that Judaism is the practice of worshipping the Divine in the present moment alone in everything, as if it is continuously being reborn without past nor future, Judaism is the reality that Everything is literally God, and when we remember God and God alone, we fulfil the meaning of life
In regards to not bowing because o fthe temple being destroyed- we are not praying to the temple- we are praying to haShem alone and protstrating is the most respectful thing youcan do in Jewish prayer.
If I point out the obvious differences between Shiite Islamic prayer and Sunni Islamic prayer I'm sure instead of admitting the obvious, you'll say it's due to ignorance, corruption of Shiite Hadith, or a result of a Jewish conspiracy. Not much different from what I'd say to you, my friend ;)
@omedyashar Essentially, there is no major difference between the Sunni and Shi'ite prayers. The only difference between the Sunni school of thought and the Shiite school of thought is political in relationship to government and leadership. This is the only real fundamental difference. I beg to hear you point out the "obvious differences" between Shiite and Sunni prayer. Thanks :)
@omedyashar And another thing...in regards to Judaism, there is a huge catastrophic difference between worship from Reform to Conservative to Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox. Some of them leave-in, some leave-out and the differing "forefathers" couldn't seem to agree about.
Islam has no deep internal differing and bickering and usually, our Prophet Muhammad (S) would be able to recognize us as Muslims today, if he were to see us, compared to Moshe who would've gasp at the sight of Judaism today.
@omedyashar Just a quick note: the word ARABIC in Arabic not only refers to the language, but also means CLEAR and UNAMBIGUOUS i.e. it's (the Qur'an's) meanings are clear for ALL not just Arabs. But then you have to be fluent in classical Arabic to know that LOL. So yes it is clear for Arabs on a linguistic level AND clear for ALL when it comes to its concepts and meanings. Allah knows best, and thanx :)
@omedyashar Brother of the Book, the best way to find the answers to your questions is to study under a Muslim scholar. They have more knowledge and may be able to give you some clarity and help shed some light on the issues you have in your understanding. Keep seeking, and the creator will guide you as long as you are clear of all your preconceived misconceptions of the Islamic faith. The worst thing that can happen is to learn something new!
""we have made it in arabic "" because arabic is a very rich language and you can not play with it like you can do with others!! allah said that Mohamed peace be upon him is mercy to all mankind, we as arabs have a bigger task is to convey the message of god to humanity same way the jews were chosen to do it for so many years, but they choose life and they build big corporations and banks.
being a muslim is to submit your self to the creator and not object his choices he is the all knower.
@ferdous33 That is not a way to talk to a moderate & fair one of the people of the book, brother or sister. Telling him that he doesn't know "the right" way to pray (the right way for whom anyway? Muslims? Well, he isn't Muslim!), and that if he follows his parents he'll enter hellfire has absolutely nothing to do with: "And do not argue with the followers of earlier revelation otherwise than in a most kindly manner - unless it be such of them as are bent on evildoing;" Quran translation 29:46.
@ferdous33 From one Muslim to another: please do not preach but respect this man's relationship with Allah, different as it may be from yours. Only Allah judges and He is Most Merciful.
“That which you want for yourself, seek for mankind.” Hadith
@ferdous33 your quaran is filled with "abrogations"....roflmao @ you......one paret of your book is cancelled out by another part in the back??!?!! This is the reason that Salman Rushdie got a death sentence put on him....for exposing this fact in his book "The Satanic Verses".....
I agree with Omedyashar that postration is a requirement of the almighty Gen.18 shows Abraham Bowing before the appearance of Hashem when visited in his tent. But what i don't agree is that Muhammad and muslims want you to do it arabic style, the same with their whole religion they want the whole world to submit to Elah/Allah and to worship Him Arabic style so that the whole world can look like arabs and not any other way, so at the end they can say we were right! YOU'S WERE WRONG -
Quote: If the available forms of Judaism are what you have to choose from, will the Creator condemn you for choosing from those that strive to study and live Torah? Will He reward you for keeping yourself separate from any of them?
Question: Will you be [officially] starting your conversion process anytime soon? ;)
I understand your point, but I feel it's important to live as close to the creator's will as you can, and not follow a group even if you think they are wrong. I don't have a problem associating myself with an orthodox movement, as they are keeping the commandments, but I can't blindly follow. For now i'll probably trust my rabbi when i'm unsure, but always seek to become as knowledgable as I personally can. Perhaps one day I could end up in israel and join a like-minded group there.
It is easier, in your situation, while you are young, to move to Israel, than much later in the future.
Expect to be here sooner than later.
For sure at least by the time you're 20. There's no reason you shouldn't be here.
You don't need lots of money to be here. Just enough to arrive. You'll be fine.
IWannabeJew is right in that you must NOT expect Jews to be perfect so long as Moshiahh hasn't yet arrived. We're not perfect either (as you already know :p
Gut Shabbos and Chag Sameach! I hope we get a video of you losing your brilliance as Purim proceeds--it'd be nice to know you are human like the rest of us. :P
Of course you don't! Perhaps what I meant is that you could possibly reach a point before excess wherein your intellect was proximal to my own when I am sober. Heading to 'The Bird Man" now.
Don't lie, we all know you're a cyborg. You're about as human as the dutch baker that lives under my bed. :p
Now that you are sitting there with a blank look--confused and trying to think whether I'm joking or serious--todah ahhi for the words of wisdom towards my desire to physically prostrate even though I have a physical disability. You're a good friend, bro. Don't ever forget that. :)
Thanks a lot for the video response! That definately helped to clear things up :)
Now the only thing to think about is whether he implied that one take "steps" on his knees, or whether he stands up while remaining bowed and takes regular steps.
And good to know that those documents that I read from in my video are post-talmudic, even post maimonides. This is one issue that seems so clear I don't understand how judaism has went away from it.(tbc)
I know MANY people who prostrate and bow privately. I'm certain there are untold numbers of talmidei hhakhamim (torah scholars) who do so privately.
This is only one matter of Jewish law. I don't mean to discourage you, but the more you learn halakha, the more you'll realize why we (Jews) suffer and why it is so important to invest as much time as you can in learning Torah and halakha -- there is no popular / widespread movement of Talmudic Judaism!
I am not putting down the great leaders of Torah Judaism of our time. What I'm saying is that the masses of individual who 'follow' them invest so little time in learning halakha that their knowledge of practical halakha is very limited and their minds are confused with a mixture of various conflicting opinions. ...but the level of ignorance in Torah among orthodox Jews is a vast well compared to the nations' knowledge.
one of the great poskim once said Halach is for geirim and balei teshuvah.
Tradition is a very powerful element in jewish law. I remember my grandfather reprimanding us ,if he saw even a child in a kneeling position ("men tur nisht kneen" it is forbidden to kneel).
Although you make good points and its clear that in the time of the talmud prostration was a part of the everyday tefillah,we still have to be carefull ,
I suppose (hope?) you're aware that this is only in specific cases where in there is a pre-existing halakha which states that in a specified situation the halakha goes according to a certain minhag. In all of the Mishne Torah I only came across 10 or so situations.
This is not a statement which is to be freely applied to whatever we like just because something is no longer widespread in our generation. No gadol ha-dor uses this teaching in such a way.
Before you even begin to LEAP to that conclusion, you first need to find where these giants of Torah knowledge wrote that it is forbidden to prostrate, otherwise I suspect it's the wine typing.
As far as I know, of all those you quoted, only the Rema wrote that it is forbidden to prostrate with arms / legs stretched out, but he PERMITS prostrating without stretching out.
The Vilna (vilner??) Gaon write that one is not bound to go by Shulhhan Arukh if it has no basis in Talmud.
...I can only imagine what the Vilna Gaon would then say about someone forbidding prostration which Hhaz"al clearly not only permitted, but instituted.
R' Yosef Qaro had strong words to say to those who "DARE" try to compel people who go according to Mishne Torah to abandon keeping halakha according to Mishne Torah.
Can an Amera nullify the words of the Tannaim? Can an Ahharon nullify the majority opinion of the Rishonim and Hhaz"al regarding prostration?!!
There is a reason why we stopped prostrating at some point after chatimat hatalmud it is not clear why. None of the great rishonim or Ahronim tried to reinstate it its not a simple matter.
you remind me of a story from rabbi Ahron Kotler ztza"l r"y lakewood.
One of his talmidim asked him why he recited all of the birkat hamazon as printed in the siddur although the rambam only writes untill al yechasreinu.
isnt it bitul torah? He answered your right but when I will come to oIam haemet they wiII ask me why havent you recited all of bentching,and iII say because in the rambam it says so. cont..
The Rambam writes explicitly in Hilkhoth Berakhoth that one can add (eveni n his own words!) to the blessings / praises of the 4th part of Birkath ha-Mazon. P.S. I know b-al peh "Birkath ha-Mazon" as it appears in the Mishne Torah... and rambam doesnt "only writes until al yechasreinu." I dont know what the source for this claim is.
Rif and the Rambam, to GIANTS of halakha, both included it in their works... and Rambam makes many comments which show explicitly that prostration during Tahhanun was still WIDESPREAD among the people of Israel during his time period.
His son, R Avraham, wrote nearly 100 pages on the importance of prostration and actively sought to reinstate prostration during the Amida itself. You can find this in his book Ha-Maspiq l-Ovdei HaShem.
It cant be said that no rishon or ahharon encouraged it.
@zafirjoez18 It's no big mystery to those who don't shrink from drawing the obvious conclusions and aren't afraid of confronting disturbing historical facts - just about the same reason why Jews introduced rows of pews in batei kneset is behind the cessation of prostration: Christian influence, mainly of the Catholic variety,which was soon enough "naturalized" in the form of a bona fide Jewish tradition that spread throughout Europe and was carried further afield to other communities and lands
I know no reason to think that the Vilna Gaon didn't want people to prostrate in accord with Talmud law, but it is totally reasonable that his advocation for birkath kohanim is more widely known - that he would have spoken out on birkath kohanim than on prostration. This is because birkath kohanim is a miSwa d-oraitha! Daily prostration is a Biblical and Talmudic practice which we are required to do daily by rabbinic instruction, but it is not an explicit Torah command.
I like the "I follow God within what is taught in the Torah" others can worry about titles, movement names and such :) after all it is God that matters? :)
to not follow a movement isn't to say that you're better than the members of that movement. Obviously any orthodox jew knows much more torah law than me, since i'm not even jewish yet. That doesn't mean they're 100% right on every issue. "2 jews, 3 opinions." there are disagreements among even the most learned of orthodox jews.
Not being Jewish yet doesn't mean you lack knowledge (though that is usual the case, it is not a law).
But you MUST remain humble before Jews, even if you know that they are in error. Even if you become one of the main Orthodox leaders in the world and all recognize you as such, you will not be able to express all your thoughts and knowledge publically. I assure you there is MUCH that our Torah leaders do not publically say regarding their opinions..
I agree in remaining humble. I'm an independent thinker and am sure to have my opinions, but I understand that I need to respect people of different opinions. You'll notice i've never criticized a different idea or especially movement here on youtube, and I would never do such in real life, ESPECIALLY as a non-jew.
Hopefully in the next few months i'll get a job so I can start saving up money for a move to israel. Im extremely nervous about moving, but I think it's what I want.(tbc)
So you finally got your hands on Hilkhoth Tefilla? :)
Keep in mind 'aHi that the most powerful thing about these actions is not the external form. It is the internal state of willful subjugation and higher awareness that His existence is the only absolute existence (independent of all other existences and truer than all other existences) ...that that is the most powerful thing. The external form is just a manifestation of the inward realization. You can experience this as you are!
Bowing is not difficult for those without a disability, but the inward level of 'closeness' to the Creator that naturally almost forces the individual to bow is an inward state that is not achieved by everyone, though it's a matter of choices. Depending on the purity of your mind - you can experience proper prostration much more than the average individual would simply by machanically bowing down.
Resting your head on a table can be a similar aid if you have no other alternative.
If I went with my feeling of closeness I would fall on my face in tears. I think there is something valuable in the tension between the permissibility in the bow and the desire to prostate fully--a sort of existential Joy--a holding inward what the soul desires to express.
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Our tradition is to teach that Judaism is the practice of worshipping the Divine in the present moment alone in everything, as if it is continuously being reborn without past nor future, Judaism is the reality that Everything is literally God, and when we remember God and God alone, we fulfil the meaning of life
maybealover 1 month ago
Yes, it's the Jew / Muslim tag team operation to open the borders and flood Europe.
MrSmibby 1 year ago
Yeminites have such beautiful traditions but Im studying Ashkinazic
KingOystar 1 year ago
what are you people arguing about?? seriously!
Conspiracyknowledge 1 year ago
In regards to not bowing because o fthe temple being destroyed- we are not praying to the temple- we are praying to haShem alone and protstrating is the most respectful thing youcan do in Jewish prayer.
GavriellaMichal 1 year ago
You decided not to follow the last prophet to humanity , now you don't even know the right way to pray.
Islam is not for Arabs and Mohamed peace be upon him is a mercy to humanity
Open you heart and read the Quran you will be guided to the truth
Follow what your parents left you and will enter djahanem ( hell fire)
ferdous33 1 year ago
@ferdous33 I don't follow what my parents left me. I left Christianity.
I've read the Qur'an carefully & continue to do so, ultimately in Arabic which I'm learning. So far not convinced.
Qur'an says ""We have made it a Qur'an in Arabic that you (Arabs) will be able to understand." (azzukhruf 43:3)
I accept all prophets known to me. I'm careful not to accept false prophets.
We (Jews) don't claim every detail of our prayer is straight from G-d. There's dispute in Islamic prayer too.
omedyashar 1 year ago
@omedyashar
If I point out the obvious differences between Shiite Islamic prayer and Sunni Islamic prayer I'm sure instead of admitting the obvious, you'll say it's due to ignorance, corruption of Shiite Hadith, or a result of a Jewish conspiracy. Not much different from what I'd say to you, my friend ;)
Don't throw stones in a glass house.
omedyashar 1 year ago 6
@omedyashar
Bowing and prostrating is how we worship God (Psalm 95:6 and Quran 22:77)
Islamic sects are condemned (Quran 6:159 & 30:32 & 42:14])
If you want to learn about islam in its pure form Go to submission org
*They also have a great translation of the Quran
Modern islam has been injected with idolatry (i.e praying to dead saints/prophets/intercession)
God sent another messenger to warn them, but they disbelieved, watch then when the smoke prophecy of sura 44 comes !
YoussefAbdalla 1 year ago
@omedyashar Essentially, there is no major difference between the Sunni and Shi'ite prayers. The only difference between the Sunni school of thought and the Shiite school of thought is political in relationship to government and leadership. This is the only real fundamental difference. I beg to hear you point out the "obvious differences" between Shiite and Sunni prayer. Thanks :)
YemeniteChanter 1 year ago
@omedyashar And another thing...in regards to Judaism, there is a huge catastrophic difference between worship from Reform to Conservative to Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox. Some of them leave-in, some leave-out and the differing "forefathers" couldn't seem to agree about.
Islam has no deep internal differing and bickering and usually, our Prophet Muhammad (S) would be able to recognize us as Muslims today, if he were to see us, compared to Moshe who would've gasp at the sight of Judaism today.
YemeniteChanter 1 year ago
@omedyashar listen you misquote the quran .
latifouro1981 11 months ago
@omedyashar Just a quick note: the word ARABIC in Arabic not only refers to the language, but also means CLEAR and UNAMBIGUOUS i.e. it's (the Qur'an's) meanings are clear for ALL not just Arabs. But then you have to be fluent in classical Arabic to know that LOL. So yes it is clear for Arabs on a linguistic level AND clear for ALL when it comes to its concepts and meanings. Allah knows best, and thanx :)
zetticat 6 months ago
@omedyashar One is allowed to convert to Judaism?
peacefuljow 4 months ago
@omedyashar Brother of the Book, the best way to find the answers to your questions is to study under a Muslim scholar. They have more knowledge and may be able to give you some clarity and help shed some light on the issues you have in your understanding. Keep seeking, and the creator will guide you as long as you are clear of all your preconceived misconceptions of the Islamic faith. The worst thing that can happen is to learn something new!
PnoorR 2 months ago
""we have made it in arabic "" because arabic is a very rich language and you can not play with it like you can do with others!! allah said that Mohamed peace be upon him is mercy to all mankind, we as arabs have a bigger task is to convey the message of god to humanity same way the jews were chosen to do it for so many years, but they choose life and they build big corporations and banks.
being a muslim is to submit your self to the creator and not object his choices he is the all knower.
ferdous33 1 year ago
@ferdous33 That is not a way to talk to a moderate & fair one of the people of the book, brother or sister. Telling him that he doesn't know "the right" way to pray (the right way for whom anyway? Muslims? Well, he isn't Muslim!), and that if he follows his parents he'll enter hellfire has absolutely nothing to do with: "And do not argue with the followers of earlier revelation otherwise than in a most kindly manner - unless it be such of them as are bent on evildoing;" Quran translation 29:46.
gorocca 1 year ago 3
@ferdous33 From one Muslim to another: please do not preach but respect this man's relationship with Allah, different as it may be from yours. Only Allah judges and He is Most Merciful.
“That which you want for yourself, seek for mankind.” Hadith
90oooo09 6 months ago
@ferdous3mohamed was a pedophile..........and the followers of islam seem to like having sex with farm animals......
grandpoobahful 1 month ago
@ferdous33 your quaran is filled with "abrogations"....roflmao @ you......one paret of your book is cancelled out by another part in the back??!?!! This is the reason that Salman Rushdie got a death sentence put on him....for exposing this fact in his book "The Satanic Verses".....
grandpoobahful 1 month ago
I am Muslim, the God you worship is the same one I worship.
Afgsusan1 1 year ago 4
I agree with Omedyashar that postration is a requirement of the almighty Gen.18 shows Abraham Bowing before the appearance of Hashem when visited in his tent. But what i don't agree is that Muhammad and muslims want you to do it arabic style, the same with their whole religion they want the whole world to submit to Elah/Allah and to worship Him Arabic style so that the whole world can look like arabs and not any other way, so at the end they can say we were right! YOU'S WERE WRONG -
elmdub 1 year ago
its like islam rekuoe ein at the end
sugerdrops 1 year ago
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IWJ:
Quote: If the available forms of Judaism are what you have to choose from, will the Creator condemn you for choosing from those that strive to study and live Torah? Will He reward you for keeping yourself separate from any of them?
Question: Will you be [officially] starting your conversion process anytime soon? ;)
YisraelOrBust 2 years ago
I understand your point, but I feel it's important to live as close to the creator's will as you can, and not follow a group even if you think they are wrong. I don't have a problem associating myself with an orthodox movement, as they are keeping the commandments, but I can't blindly follow. For now i'll probably trust my rabbi when i'm unsure, but always seek to become as knowledgable as I personally can. Perhaps one day I could end up in israel and join a like-minded group there.
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
It is easier, in your situation, while you are young, to move to Israel, than much later in the future.
Expect to be here sooner than later.
For sure at least by the time you're 20. There's no reason you shouldn't be here.
You don't need lots of money to be here. Just enough to arrive. You'll be fine.
IWannabeJew is right in that you must NOT expect Jews to be perfect so long as Moshiahh hasn't yet arrived. We're not perfect either (as you already know :p
omedyashar 2 years ago
ברוך אתה ה' אלוהינו מלך העולם שלא עשני ליובאוויטשער
613 ≠ 770
אמן
BrooklynNotQueens 2 years ago 2
eem....
omedyashar 2 years ago
Gut Shabbos and Chag Sameach! I hope we get a video of you losing your brilliance as Purim proceeds--it'd be nice to know you are human like the rest of us. :P
TheShotehProject 2 years ago 2
I hope I don't have to be drunk in order for you to know that I'm human like everyone else.
Check out "The Bird Man" video I uploaded a few weeks ago.
omedyashar 2 years ago
@omedyashar
Of course you don't! Perhaps what I meant is that you could possibly reach a point before excess wherein your intellect was proximal to my own when I am sober. Heading to 'The Bird Man" now.
TheShotehProject 2 years ago
@TheShotehProject
lol.
Did you like "The Bird Man" video?
omedyashar 1 year ago
@omedyashar
It defied all logic! The bird man liveth! lol. Chag Someach--may the water-logged of all the five grains retreat before your presence!
TheShotehProject 1 year ago
Don't lie, we all know you're a cyborg. You're about as human as the dutch baker that lives under my bed. :p
Now that you are sitting there with a blank look--confused and trying to think whether I'm joking or serious--todah ahhi for the words of wisdom towards my desire to physically prostrate even though I have a physical disability. You're a good friend, bro. Don't ever forget that. :)
yokhanan 2 years ago
Thanks a lot for the video response! That definately helped to clear things up :)
Now the only thing to think about is whether he implied that one take "steps" on his knees, or whether he stands up while remaining bowed and takes regular steps.
And good to know that those documents that I read from in my video are post-talmudic, even post maimonides. This is one issue that seems so clear I don't understand how judaism has went away from it.(tbc)
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
I guess there's no widespread movement within judaism I can 100% put myself behind.
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
I know MANY people who prostrate and bow privately. I'm certain there are untold numbers of talmidei hhakhamim (torah scholars) who do so privately.
This is only one matter of Jewish law. I don't mean to discourage you, but the more you learn halakha, the more you'll realize why we (Jews) suffer and why it is so important to invest as much time as you can in learning Torah and halakha -- there is no popular / widespread movement of Talmudic Judaism!
omedyashar 2 years ago
I am not putting down the great leaders of Torah Judaism of our time. What I'm saying is that the masses of individual who 'follow' them invest so little time in learning halakha that their knowledge of practical halakha is very limited and their minds are confused with a mixture of various conflicting opinions. ...but the level of ignorance in Torah among orthodox Jews is a vast well compared to the nations' knowledge.
HaShem help us and inspire us to repentence.
omedyashar 2 years ago
one of the great poskim once said Halach is for geirim and balei teshuvah.
Tradition is a very powerful element in jewish law. I remember my grandfather reprimanding us ,if he saw even a child in a kneeling position ("men tur nisht kneen" it is forbidden to kneel).
Although you make good points and its clear that in the time of the talmud prostration was a part of the everyday tefillah,we still have to be carefull ,
al titosh torath imacho
zafirjoez18 2 years ago
"al titosh torath imakho" so long as "torath imakho" lo titosh torath hhaz"al.
First of all, Mishlie (Proverbs) is a book of mshalim (metaphors).
Rashi explains the verse you refer to that torath imekha is the oral law and the musar avikha is the written Torah.
Customs are permitted so long as they don't nullify halakha.
omedyashar 2 years ago
yerushalmi bava metzia perek 7 halacha1
minhag is sometimes mevatel halacha.
zafirjoez18 2 years ago
I suppose (hope?) you're aware that this is only in specific cases where in there is a pre-existing halakha which states that in a specified situation the halakha goes according to a certain minhag. In all of the Mishne Torah I only came across 10 or so situations.
This is not a statement which is to be freely applied to whatever we like just because something is no longer widespread in our generation. No gadol ha-dor uses this teaching in such a way.
omedyashar 2 years ago
Yes. I know that ,but I also know that the balei tosefot and the rema and the vilner gaon the baal shem tov chassam sofer.
chofetz chaim chazzan ish.also knew about the talmud and the rambam.
so i guess here you can apply it.
zafirjoez18 2 years ago
Before you even begin to LEAP to that conclusion, you first need to find where these giants of Torah knowledge wrote that it is forbidden to prostrate, otherwise I suspect it's the wine typing.
As far as I know, of all those you quoted, only the Rema wrote that it is forbidden to prostrate with arms / legs stretched out, but he PERMITS prostrating without stretching out.
The Vilna (vilner??) Gaon write that one is not bound to go by Shulhhan Arukh if it has no basis in Talmud.
omedyashar 2 years ago
...I can only imagine what the Vilna Gaon would then say about someone forbidding prostration which Hhaz"al clearly not only permitted, but instituted.
R' Yosef Qaro had strong words to say to those who "DARE" try to compel people who go according to Mishne Torah to abandon keeping halakha according to Mishne Torah.
Can an Amera nullify the words of the Tannaim? Can an Ahharon nullify the majority opinion of the Rishonim and Hhaz"al regarding prostration?!!
It's a pipe-dream.
omedyashar 2 years ago 2
There is a reason why we stopped prostrating at some point after chatimat hatalmud it is not clear why. None of the great rishonim or Ahronim tried to reinstate it its not a simple matter.
We try not to mess with tradition
zafirjoez18 2 years ago
you remind me of a story from rabbi Ahron Kotler ztza"l r"y lakewood.
One of his talmidim asked him why he recited all of the birkat hamazon as printed in the siddur although the rambam only writes untill al yechasreinu.
isnt it bitul torah? He answered your right but when I will come to oIam haemet they wiII ask me why havent you recited all of bentching,and iII say because in the rambam it says so. cont..
zafirjoez18 2 years ago
Aha so you know the rambam lets test your knowledge in all of rambam. Im just a simple siddur jew that does exactly as it says in the siddur
zafirjoez18 2 years ago
Dont be a simple siddur jew.
omedyashar 2 years ago
The Rambam writes explicitly in Hilkhoth Berakhoth that one can add (eveni n his own words!) to the blessings / praises of the 4th part of Birkath ha-Mazon. P.S. I know b-al peh "Birkath ha-Mazon" as it appears in the Mishne Torah... and rambam doesnt "only writes until al yechasreinu." I dont know what the source for this claim is.
omedyashar 2 years ago
Rif and the Rambam, to GIANTS of halakha, both included it in their works... and Rambam makes many comments which show explicitly that prostration during Tahhanun was still WIDESPREAD among the people of Israel during his time period.
His son, R Avraham, wrote nearly 100 pages on the importance of prostration and actively sought to reinstate prostration during the Amida itself. You can find this in his book Ha-Maspiq l-Ovdei HaShem.
It cant be said that no rishon or ahharon encouraged it.
omedyashar 2 years ago
@zafirjoez18 It's no big mystery to those who don't shrink from drawing the obvious conclusions and aren't afraid of confronting disturbing historical facts - just about the same reason why Jews introduced rows of pews in batei kneset is behind the cessation of prostration: Christian influence, mainly of the Catholic variety,which was soon enough "naturalized" in the form of a bona fide Jewish tradition that spread throughout Europe and was carried further afield to other communities and lands
Handler201 5 months ago
@omedyashar
Hi brother did you watch the religious debate between Sami Zaatari and Pete The Jew?
DrXoz 2 years ago
@DrXoz
lol. No. Pete the Jew sounds funny though. Please E-MAIL me a link.
omedyashar 1 year ago
They dont write that its forbidden.
but their minhag was not to prostrate,only on yom kippur.
the vilner gaon didnt advocate to prostrate as the minhag of the talmud,as he advocated for birkath kohanim everyday.
zafirjoez18 2 years ago
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joyal77 1 year ago
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I know no reason to think that the Vilna Gaon didn't want people to prostrate in accord with Talmud law, but it is totally reasonable that his advocation for birkath kohanim is more widely known - that he would have spoken out on birkath kohanim than on prostration. This is because birkath kohanim is a miSwa d-oraitha! Daily prostration is a Biblical and Talmudic practice which we are required to do daily by rabbinic instruction, but it is not an explicit Torah command.
omedyashar 1 year ago
I like the "I follow God within what is taught in the Torah" others can worry about titles, movement names and such :) after all it is God that matters? :)
medievalman86 2 years ago
Art thou greater than the Jewish people?
IWannabeJew 2 years ago
to not follow a movement isn't to say that you're better than the members of that movement. Obviously any orthodox jew knows much more torah law than me, since i'm not even jewish yet. That doesn't mean they're 100% right on every issue. "2 jews, 3 opinions." there are disagreements among even the most learned of orthodox jews.
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
Not being Jewish yet doesn't mean you lack knowledge (though that is usual the case, it is not a law).
But you MUST remain humble before Jews, even if you know that they are in error. Even if you become one of the main Orthodox leaders in the world and all recognize you as such, you will not be able to express all your thoughts and knowledge publically. I assure you there is MUCH that our Torah leaders do not publically say regarding their opinions..
omedyashar 2 years ago
I agree in remaining humble. I'm an independent thinker and am sure to have my opinions, but I understand that I need to respect people of different opinions. You'll notice i've never criticized a different idea or especially movement here on youtube, and I would never do such in real life, ESPECIALLY as a non-jew.
Hopefully in the next few months i'll get a job so I can start saving up money for a move to israel. Im extremely nervous about moving, but I think it's what I want.(tbc)
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago 2
and is halakhic if possible. I wonder how it would work as far as me converting. I'm guessing I would have to wait until I finished my conversion.
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
You're an wonderful guy. Being an independent thinker and being humble do not have to be contradictions. I believe they find harmony in you.
Purim someaHh.
omedyashar 2 years ago
Nice, always wondered how its done. I look forward to the day--with the help of Heaven--when I can physically do this too. :)
yokhanan 2 years ago 5
So you finally got your hands on Hilkhoth Tefilla? :)
Keep in mind 'aHi that the most powerful thing about these actions is not the external form. It is the internal state of willful subjugation and higher awareness that His existence is the only absolute existence (independent of all other existences and truer than all other existences) ...that that is the most powerful thing. The external form is just a manifestation of the inward realization. You can experience this as you are!
omedyashar 2 years ago
Bowing is not difficult for those without a disability, but the inward level of 'closeness' to the Creator that naturally almost forces the individual to bow is an inward state that is not achieved by everyone, though it's a matter of choices. Depending on the purity of your mind - you can experience proper prostration much more than the average individual would simply by machanically bowing down.
Resting your head on a table can be a similar aid if you have no other alternative.
omedyashar 2 years ago
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If I went with my feeling of closeness I would fall on my face in tears. I think there is something valuable in the tension between the permissibility in the bow and the desire to prostate fully--a sort of existential Joy--a holding inward what the soul desires to express.
TheShotehProject 2 years ago
tension between the permissibility in the bow and the desire to prostrate (prostate?!) fully....??
There is no tension of permissibility. It has not been forbidden.
omedyashar 2 years ago