Turmel: Kingofthe Dragons Den for Brantford Bucks 10% Royalty

[droppertrental]

You are thinking you're better than sales, because in your mind you're an "intellectual"... dont be so proud. As many before you who's potential was wasted, and who's message came and went un-noticed, your PRIDE will do that to you. Stop being so Proud, and start reading some books on Sales/Marketing. The Result? A powerful combination of STRONG MESSAGE and PEOPLE HEARING and READING IT. if you dont strive for people to change, i dont see the point as anything more than a time consuming hobby.

[droppertrental]

you're hilarious man... i heard of enormous numbers of peole who were passionate about helping people and wrote books, people who were brilliant schollars... but NONE of their books sold... so, my question is, did they help anyone? NO. You can be the most brilliant man alive (as you obvisouly believe you are) but unless you intend for people to tune in and actually listen, or buy your ideas, and books... then whats the point? you're not helping anyone.

[kingofthepaupers]

@droppertrental you're not helping anyone.

Jct: I financed the first LETS timebank Dbase III software in 1984 and all I have to do is go back to read reports on how many people have been helped, or watch videos, to feel good about my contribution to mankind. And getting UNILETS on the Millennium Declaration will end up being a neat contribution too.

[droppertrental]

I know most intellectual people look down their nose at sales people because they're just dum sales people and they dont have a fancy degree to create the aura of intellect that our culture yearns to tote. Now i know most sales people are just dum sales people, but there are many who brilliantly understand people, and as a result are able to connect with their audience and reach them with the message their passionate about. Intellect without sales ability or some one to sell it is wasted.

[kingofthepaupers]

Jct: I'm pushing a message that's contrary to Mammon's memes imprinted on the human minds. Even Jesus was so pessimistic he said they'll be "forever hearing without hearing and seeing without seeing or understanding" when it came to the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. Anyway, you've offered no criticism that's of any use, so far. "Pay a Pro," "don't like your props" isn't really much help, is it?

[droppertrental]

| wonder if you passionately want to see people enlightened and the world changed, or if you just get a kick out the argument. Either option is fine cuz you're free to do either. However, if your goal is to change the world for the better, you WILL NOT sell it with the methods you currently use. Are you seeking results, or more toil? I only hire sales people who produce results, the toil produces nothing in an of itself. only productive toil produces, and you are being very unproductive here.

[kingofthepaupers]

@droppertrental "valuable sales time is wasted on my trying to get past the weirdness of your presentation."

Jct: I'm not looking for the sheople interested in a presentable leader, I'm looking for the rams who want to lead in the same direction I'm going whether I have followers or not.

if your goal is to change the world for the better, you WILL NOT sell it with the methods you currently use.

Jct: Yes I'm trying to re-engineer my world but why should I listen to you who isn't?

[droppertrental]

by try it i mean... hire someone... and not just anyone... someone skilled in sales and more importantly marketing. For starters, people subconsciously want to respect the person they're listening to in order to have an open mind. Immediately when I see you wearing that ridiculous helmet, my mind closes, and its then really hard to reopen. So a lot of valuable sales time is wasted on my trying to get passed the weirdness of your presentation.

[kingofthepaupers]

@droppertrental "hire someone"

Jct: No use criticising the KingofthePaupers for not having the money to present the way for you to save yourself in a professionally enough way to catch your attention.

"ridiculous helmet"

Jct: You call a construction helmet ridiculous and I'm to worry about your closed mind? Sure, I knew my "recognition" prop would cost me readers who are more interested in style than content but they'll always find a reason to do nothing no matter how good the idea.

[droppertrental]

John, I think you make some interesting points, of which I'd be interested to learn more. However, it is difficult to learn when the teacher is not selling me on the idea or model. I think you need to (in a plain and simple way) put your ideas in writing, then offer them to a highly skilled and highly accomplished salesman. WHY? because your pitch on the den was brutal. That's not your fault. You're obviously a very smart guy, but you couldnt sell water to a millionaire in the desert. try it.

[poetpiet]

John, your dreamspell oracle (a type of timebanking) fits this vid perfectly: I endure in order to enlighten Transcending life I seal the matrix of universal fire With the cosmic tone of presence I am guided by the power of flowering I am a galactic activation portal enter me

[MaestroTJS]

@poetpiet How often do they let you out of the padded room to go to the casino with John?

[poetpiet]

@MaestroTJS i took free server space in 96 and to my horror the pop up wars were won by casinos .. they effectively blocked and distracted from my content ... hence the casinoing that escaped the asylum. Guess i made a bad bet huh. Maybe i'm anti-my best intentions, the anti-christ even. I did manage to avoid, medication and padded rooms (and alcohol). Even the best psychiatrist i know is wrong(headed).

[chipper75]

So you were suing because they said your stupid idea was stupid? They already do this in Disneyland and it doesn't stop inflation one bit. I am glad the courts tossed your ridiculous lawsuit. If anything, the Dragon's should sue you for libel for this stupid video. This is just a weak attempt to try and look good when you didn't look good at all.... even in the full version of the video.

[kingofthepaupers]

@chipper75 "So you were suing because they said your stupid idea was stupid?"

Jct: No, they have the right to their opinion so that wasn't the reason I was suing.

"I am glad the courts tossed your ridiculous lawsuit."

Jct: And I am glad your opinion is worthless since you don't even know what the issues are about. Do you often give your opinion on things you didn't read up on? Har har har.

[chipper75]

@kingofthepaupers Actually, i did read up on this which is why I know its an idea that does not work at all... Its been tried in many places like Berkshire Mass. I should really start billing this education I'm giving you.

[kingofthepaupers]

@chipper75 its an idea that does not work at all... Its been tried in many places like Berkshire Mass.

Jct: You're an idiot who's wasting my time. I bet you $100 you can't explain why their Berkshare poker chips don't work. Har har har har. Love making donkeys back down from their foot-in-mouth disease.

[chipper75]

@kingofthepaupers This is the last lesson I am giving you for free. You're whole premise was that creating a local currency would stop inflation. WRONG. You have to exchange the currency at some point to buy goods and services from outside that local economy. In the case of Berkshares, they are tied to the US $. A Berkshare is always worth 95 US cents, so as the US $ inflates, so does the Berkshare. If the US $ has 10 percent less buying power, so will the Berkshare.

[kingofthepaupers]

@chipper75 Berkshares, they are tied to the US $.

Jct: Turmelshares are tied to the child/volunteer Hour of labor, the UNILETS Time Standard of Money.. Now state your objections. And Turmelshares are traded by email world-wide. When Russia's banking system crashed in the 1990s, over 25,000 different corporations issued their own Canadian Tire or Shell or Burger King Dollars interest-free loans to themselves until the loansharks reopened the regular tills and they're again drowning in debt too

[chipper75]

@kingofthepaupers And rather than pay me the $100 you now owe me from your arrogance, please donate it to a worthy charity.

[kingofthepaupers]

@chipper75 pay me the $100 you now owe me from your arrogance,

Jct: I'm sure I didn't bet on my arrogance and would bet you're delusional if you think you won a bet with the TajProfessor of Poker Systems Engineering. Har har har har. The tuna thinks the Professor owes him money.

[MaestroTJS]

Oh, and one more thing, in case I wasn't clear: you didn't win or make anyone back down. Who exactly was supposed to decide who was "right" anyway? You, I assume.

My guess is that you are a very lonely man (like many gamblers who have destroyed their lives through it) and you have to rely on yourself to prop yourself up, therefore you convince yourself that victories you didn't actually have are major victories.

For the love of God and your own good, get some help. You need it.

[kingofthepaupers]

@MaestroTJS Oh, and one more thing, in case I wasn't clear: you didn't win or make anyone back down. Who exactly was supposed to decide who was "right" anyway? You, I assume.

Jct: I didn't make you back down? You didn't take the bet. You keep shooting off your mouth but never put your money where that big mouth is. Too chicken to bet and then argue? No way to ensure you collect the $20 is reason you duck debate? I'm not afraid of you losing and stiffing me, why are you?

[kingofthepaupers]

M: My guess is that you are a very lonely man (like many gamblers who have destroyed their lives through it)

Jct: Again, you're not a good guesser, are you?

M; and you have to rely on yourself to prop yourself up, therefore you convince yourself that victories you didn't actually have are major victories.

Jct: No, the fact you backed down from my bet convinces me that losses you suffered were major losses because it's never fun being laughed at for ducking a debate.



[MaestroTJS]

@kingofthepaupers 1. I was referring to the Dragons. 2. You still haven't said who would decide whether you're right or not. Are you saying someone should bet you and then you'll decide if they're right or wrong? That's convenient. 3. I am quickly coming to the conclusion you are not actually sane, in the very real sense of that.

[kingofthepaupers]

@MaestroTJS You still haven't said who would decide whether you're right or not.

Jct: Still looking for good reasons not to say: "I bet $20 I'm right." Har har har. So call me a few more names but you can't call me "chicken." Chicken to bet.

[faeryshivers]

@kingofthepaupers because they would also have to invest AND make the bet...the investment would be the bet so that's stupid.

[kingofthepaupers]

@MaestroTJS: For the love of God and your own good, get some help. You need it.

Jct: Very witty for a guy ducking the debate. Har har har. I just notice the Royalty is mentioned in the first 20 seconds of the video as well as in the actual pitch. And you missed both?

[MaestroTJS]

@kingofthepaupers There's no 10% royalty. You're saying CDN$100=$110 Brantford Bucks. Big deal. You could say CDN$100=$10,000 BB's because BB's don't exist. It's easy to make something out of nothing--which apparently is something you have taken to the level of an art form. After all, you're the guy who was turfed by the Dragons but believes himself to be the king of the dragons.

It would be laughable if it weren't so sad because you most likely do the same thing in the rest of your life.

[kingofthepaupers]

@MaestroTJS BB's because BB's don't exist.

Jct: Gee, are you stupid or pretending. Go find Toronto Dollars or Calgary Dollars and tell them why their systems can't be working. Har har har. This is laughable as well as sad. Keep pretending you're too stupid to understand how Toronto Dollars work and I'll start believing you have fire where you smoke. Har har har. Doesn't understand why Toronto merchants would give a 10% premium to keep sales local. Slow people!

[MaestroTJS]

1. You never articulated clearly how they would make money in this as an investment (your watch analogy was awful). 2. You need to talk to people in your community if you want to make a community currency. 3. You start getting really crazy and scary around the 25 minute mark, like you're possessed (which as a gambler, you are). 4. You should listen to Brett: you do think you're the smartest person you've ever met.

But knowing people like you as I do, there's no way to convince you of that.

[kingofthepaupers]

MaestroTJS: 1. You never articulated clearly how they would make money in this as an investment

Jct: You missed it went right by you in the first 30 seconds where Robert acknowledged it was a 10% Royalty. You couldn't stay with the pitch but the dragons did.

M: (your watch analogy was awful).

Jct: My watch analogy is perfect and you can't think of a better one because you didn't even catch what it was an analogy to! Proudly showing off your mental slowness for all to see. Har har.

[kingofthepaupers]

M: 2. You need to talk to people in your community if you want to make a community currency.

Jct: Sorry, I'll let that hamper the slow-thinkers. I need no one's permission or help to run my own poker chips for me and my friends.

M: 3. You start getting really crazy and scary around the 25 minute mark, like you're possessed (which as a gambler, you are).

Jct: Ooooh, I said scary words. Only gutless wimps get so easily scared. Booo.

[kingofthepaupers]

M: 4. You should listen to Brett: you do think you're the smartest person you've ever met.

Jct: Well, a lot smarter than you who missed the pitch in the first 30 seconds. How sharp are your wits? Har har har. A witless dullard.

M: But knowing people like you as I do, there's no way to convince you of that.

Jct: Right, knowing people like I do, there's no way to convince a guy with a low-tech no-science education of what a guy with a real science degree is right. Har har har.

[MaestroTJS]

@kingofthepaupers Okay, so to make things clear: nobody understands what you're saying except you, and that makes everyone ELSE wrong.

Right.

If you're modelling it on the Berkshare, you would have been wise to explain the Berkshare model in more detail. Instead, you started talking about watches and coins.

So, John the Engineer, do you have a science degree or an engineering degree? Is it from Turmel University?

And why would such a degree give you economics credibility anyway?

[kingofthepaupers]

@MaestroTJS If you're modelling it on the Berkshare, you would have been wise to explain the Berkshare model in more detail.

Jct: Gee, you know about Berkshares but you didn't understand that I meant the vbery same thing when I offered the dragons the same royalty. Har har har. You knew about Berkshares and didn't see the similarity with pitch. You are as stupid as you let on! har har har har. He knows about Berkshares but needs more info before he sees my pitch was the same!

[MaestroTJS]

@kingofthepaupers As I said, your problem is that you didn't do a good job explaining to anyone that it's modeled on the Berkshare AND WHAT THAT MODEL IS and why anyone would care. Who's to say they know how Berkshares work? On top of that, you didn't explain to them how you were making a business out of it, only that you were offering them the opportunity to buy Brantford Bucks. Anyone who watches the show knows that's not how they work.

Why would they invest in BRANTFORD anyway? lol

[kingofthepaupers]

@MaestroTJS you didn't do a good job explaining to anyone that it's modeled on the Berkshare

Jct: I didn't do a good job? The editors showed two 8-second half-statements and I didn't do a good job? Har har har.

[MaestroTJS]

@kingofthepaupers You went on for 20 minutes, but it didn't help.

They did you a favour by cutting out your self-aggrandizement and aggression toward the end, but unfortunately you thought that was your greatest moment and have puffed it up even further in this video!

[kingofthepaupers]

@MaestroTJS you thought that was your greatest moment and have puffed it up even further in this video!

Jct: That's right. Making Kevin OLeary wtih his 10 million $500 chips back down from my one little $500 Ontario Lotteries and Gaming Commission Brantford Casino poker chip left me laughing as I laugh at the losers who fold to the Great Canadian Gambler TajProfessor, only Professor ofGambling Systems Engineering on the planet. He has 10 million, and backs down from my one! Aaaahhhh!

[kingofthepaupers]

@kingofthepaupers backs down from my one! Aaaahhhh!

Jct: Still, it tells you he's not stupid enough to take a losing bet, even with 10 million chips! Bet you would have shown no such self-control. Still, he turned down an overlay! Har har har. If you don't know that that is, read my book "Playing Holdem Poker Like a Bookie."

[kingofthepaupers]

@MaestroTJS So, John the Engineer, do you have a science degree or an engineering degree? Is it from Turmel University?

Jct: Do you want to bet on whether I have a engineering science degree? I bet $20 you back down again! Har har har. What do you think the difference is between engineering and science. Your low-tech answer should be quite fun.

[MaestroTJS]

@kingofthepaupers Well, let's put it this way, I know that there is a degree called a B.Sc. and another called a B.Eng. Obviously you need to know science to be an engineer, but they are still different degrees.

How does this fit in again with economics and banking?

[kingofthepaupers]

@MaestroTJS I have a B. Eng (Elect). I consider Engineering Applied Science and the guys with the B.Scs are the philosophers. And why would advanced systems engineering mathematics apply to the economic system better than economics does, maybe because we use a stable unit over meaurement and the lunatic economists use a variable token, a rubber ruler. Besides, the engineer has been betting economics for 30 years and still have my money. May not impress you but you're not who cares?

[MaestroTJS]

@kingofthepaupers While I do agree that today's economists are lunatics, it would take something rather catastrophic to make something like BB's or Berkshares a true hedge against inflation.

I also don't think you can get as scientific with economics as you think, because it's not a scenario of 2+2=4 or whatever. Values of things are relative and can go up and down depending on how wanted they are, among other considerations.

[kingofthepaupers]

@MaestroTJS Berkshares a true hedge against inflation.

Jct: Poker chips don't suffer inflation you need to hedge against. When was the last time you left a casino and your 100 chips got you back less than the 100 you bought in with? We're on different planes, you looking up worrying about things you can't see and me at thetop of the technology totem pole looking down at what's been short-cirtuited. If you can't retain that poker chips don't inflate...

[MaestroTJS]

@kingofthepaupers They're tied to the currency of whatever country the casino is in. If you held on to $500 of poker chips from 1985, they would still be worth $500 in poker chips today (assuming the casino would still take them, which I doubt). But $500 was worth a lot more in 1985. So yes, they suffer from exactly the same inflation as the currency of the country they're in, or whichever currency they're tying themselves to (US dollars, for example).

[faeryshivers]

@MaestroTJS I've tried to explain this to him before, also the casino often eats the cost of inflation purposely and ups the prices of the food in their restaurants and for other services instead.

[MaestroTJS]

@faeryshivers Well, I think it's obvious he doesn't want to be schooled by anyone. Something isn't right with Johnny the Engineer, but there's no telling him that.

[MaestroTJS]

@kingofthepaupers You didn't say scary words, you started acted like a lunatic. You started puffing yourself up like you were spoiling for a fight except there's no substance behind what you're saying.

In poker, that's called a bluff. In the real world, it's called bullshit. In your world, you think it's real.

[kingofthepaupers]

@MaestroTJS If you're modelling it on the Berkshare, you would have been wise to explain the Berkshare model in more detail.

Jct: In poker and the real world, backing down in public means you're the guy flogging the bull-shit, not the guy with the science degree willing to bet. As the coward ducking the debate, you sure are mouthy.

[MaestroTJS]

@kingofthepaupers Robert was also the guy who believed you were insane by the end of your pitch, so maybe he's not such a good example to use after all.

[kingofthepaupers]

@MaestroTJS Robert was also the guy who believed you were insane by the end of your pitch, so maybe he's not such a good example to use after all.

Jct: I only pointed it out to prove that you missed that the pitch was made and acknowledged in the first 30 seconds! The fact Robert forgot it by the end of the show doesn't mean he didn't get it at the start. That you forgot he got it then forgot it isn't much of a plug for your cerebral cortex, is it? Har har har.

[705CAH]

Where do I go in Brantford to get some of what he's smoking?

[kingofthepaupers]

@705CAH Where do I go in Brantford to get some of what he's smoking?

Jct: U. of Sask found marijuana grows new brain cells which explains why I'm so sharp and 705CAH is so dull. At least he's looking to try regrowing some brain cells even if the harvest would seem to be rather limited.

[705CAH]

@kingofthepaupers Are you going to sue me too? Give your head a shake. Youll be in a padded room in no time, so enjoy the time you have.

[kevo1296]

John Turmel needs help. He's not playing with a full deck.

[kingofthepaupers]

@kevo1296 John Turmel needs help. He's not playing with a full deck.

Jct: Har har har, Slow-thinking losers think saying the Great Canadian Gambler TajProfessor isn't playing with a full deck. Tres drole! But I'd bet it's not the world's foremost expert on engineering with the mathematics of gambling who's not playing with the full deck but the loser who couldn't follow the discussion. Har har. Love a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

[MegaLitvak]

The only possible ethical wrong doing was letting this guy embarrass himself on TV. Can anyone from Brantford give me an estimate on what % of people in Brantford are this insane?

[kingofthepaupers]

@MegaLitvak: what % insane?

Jct: About 1 in 200 have engineering degrees, 1 in 600 have electrical. So enjoy laughing in public about not understanding what The Engineer is telling you. Har har har. Forever, posterity will know that MegaLitvak couldn't keeping up with poker chips. Har har har. Small brain, big mouth, a fun combination on the net. My two 8-second half statements embarrassed myself? It only took one 2-line statement to embarrass himself.

[kevo1296]

@MegaLitvak

127%

[kevo1296]

There is already Brantford Bucks. They're called Food Stamps.

[kingofthepaupers]

@kevo1296 There is already Brantford Bucks. They're called Food Stamps.

Jct: The slow-thinker doesn't see the difference between getting charity with Food Stamps and kids working for bus tickets. And the dullard wants to argue with me? Har har har.

[kevo1296]

I'm glad he did this video to prove he's really not crazy.

[LAVATORR]

There's so, so much wrong here, but for some reason the time code complaint at around 5:30 bothers me the most. Dude, time code is always in that position regardless of the show. They're not going to change the entire NTSC system just for you.

[Yourebuying]

Flash the trash and bye bye cash... wait, that's not it.

[kingofthepaupers]

@Yourebuying Flash the trash and bye bye cash... wait, that's not it.

Jct: "Flash the cash, bye bye trash!" Great line, isn't it?

[Prinnycakes]

Chips are merely "representative" of real currency so they are in fact affected by inflation. You cash in those chips for money that is affected by inflation, the minute they leave the casino they are back in circulation. Is your argument then the same that if the money doesn't leave Brantford there is no inflation? If so you are seriously crazy.

[kingofthepaupers]

canadianwoman1961: Dude, I think you're a few marbles shy of a full bag. Seriously, get some mental help.

Jct: Why bother when getting mental help seems not to have worked for you.

[kingofthepaupers]

cryosun: Wow, you've been very busy! Fascinating life story!

[kingofthepaupers]

UltimateWarrior65: Kevin O'Leary is a liar. a Jewish man who changed his name to make himself appear as an Irishman. What's the deal?

[kingofthepaupers]

Atariracoon: Actually the poker chip does loose value at the same rate as the compared currency. As the canadian dollar flops, less currency from other countries are used to buy gambling chips in say... the Halifax Casino. And you never know, some casino may go nuts somday and say "Okay, it'll take 2dollars to purchase a $1 dollar casino chip", though I doubt that'd be popular with consumers.

[kingofthepaupers]

Jct: Who cares if it takes 2 dollars to purchase a casino chip as long as you get the 2 dollars back when you cash out, no matter what the chip says. And it keeps getting wilder in these end days of the old debt slavery system and the start days of the interest-free New World Order I'm hoping for.

[kingofthepaupers]

AtariRaccoon: I think you slipped there, if they spend 500 million wouldn't they get 550 MILLION an not Billion like you said? Also, I thought Toronto Dollars were only issued on a dollar for dollar basis. $1CDN > $1Toronto and in vice versa $1Toronto > $0.90CDN as they take 10% off from the participating business to give to the local community as a donation?

Jct: I never heard of them taking 10%, that's not how Berkshares or Pittsboro plentys work.

[kingofthepaupers]

"if they spend 500 million wouldn't they get 550 MILLION an not Billion.

Jct: Yes, it was a slip of the tongue.

"Toronto Dollars were only issued on a dollar for dollar basis. $1CDN > $1Toronto and in vice versa $1Toronto>$0.90CDN as they take 10% off from the participating business to give to the local community as a donation?

Jct: If anyone cashes out! That's not like Berkshares at all, no premium. So my Brantford Dollar pitch offered he premium too.

[kingofthepaupers]

Jct: 10 years ago I asked Bill Gates to lead the movement to local currencies with a Microsoft LETS. He blew his chance. Others have taken over. Always hoping for that one super-rich person to see the light.

cryosun: Thanks for the info about the continuance of Toronto Dollars and Calgary dollars. To get millionaires to convert their interest-currency would be a huge boost!

[Topslim999]

You're freaking nuts!

[treyreznor]

This guy is an idiot, he takes all the interest and the dragons get money to spend in local shops. in a stores they probably would never go to.

[tararulz76]

Dude give it up, you're not the only one who's ever looked stupid on Dragons Den. Nobody wants to go to Brantford anyway.

[kingofthepaupers]

@canadianwoman1961 It was 2 YEARS ago

Jct: And that makes it all fade away okay...

[kingofthepaupers]

Jct: Finally, they let me a video longer than 15 minutes. No more chopping the videos up into smaller pieces and linking them up. Phew!