its nicely constructed episode and I am a fan of Mayday series but why they didnt include FDR or CVR incorporated in this episode ? I am sure investigators would have definitely looked for black boxes. That is the first thing they do ?
@sarmadhassan I think it was because it was a bomb that caused the crash so there was no point in the episode showing those things as they wouldnt give anything extra to the episode. But as you say Im sure in real life they looked and found the black boxes.
The speed of the planes destruction indicates a strong possibility that the plane suffered an impact from space debris or junk and this should have been investigated from day one. A space debris impact could destroy the plane instantly in mid air. I believe space debris also caused the AF 447, Air India (Irish Coast) etc and I also believe the investigators know this has most likely caused many other air disasters. Put JOHN HALL SPACE DEBRIS in your UK Google slot
"A bomb brought down an Air India jet just off the Scottish Coast". Please look at a map: the sea south of the Republic of Ireland is nowhere near Scotland. Air India 182 was routed to fly to London over the Bristol Channel, not fly the Daventry route over SW Scotland and the NW of England. The crash site of Air India 182 is over 450 statute miles from the nearest part of the Scottish mainland. ACI is good, but dropping the ball on small things like that by not researching properly annoys me
@TheFarmor1 I think we should hate all forms of terrorism, no matter who they killed. We're all humans, if one of us were killed in an act of violence no matter the race, nationality, or background, we should all pursue justice to the ones responsible.
Despite their denials PanAm routinely placed bags on planes without passengers, My wife and I were passengers on a PanAm flight from New York to London, but we got "bounced" off the flight due to overbooking, so we ended up flying back with British Airways the next day, only to find on arrival that our baggage had flown back with PanAm, the previous night.
@DairDubh Not true. The British are too refined for that. Any pleasure the people of Lockerbie derive from hearing of Gaddafi's death will be hidden with quiet dignity.
The depiction of the crash at 16:38 is incorrect. The plane did not break up like that; in fact only the cockpit broke off, twelve seconds after the bombing. The rest of the plane was intact and actually kept flying, but it pitched down and broke up as it was travelling at an enourmous speed. Most passengers were also alive until the plane smashed into Lockerbie.
For a detailed animation of the initial disruption, see this video: /watch?v=j5naaWe3nLI
You didn't get it, @16:38 they just visualized the hypothesis of the investigators that maybe a part of the plane played a role on the crash and not the actual conclusion of the crash.
Shame these things happen but not like you can do anything to bring the lost back
When he appealed back in 2008 stating his terminally ill forgetting the seriousness / scale of the terrorism and deaths, I thought let him have a few days before he dies his been in jail 20yrs
But after watching this and refreshing my memory on the scale of innocent lives, I have no mercy towards him and can remain in jail....
for the rest of his life. After all his spent 20 yrs in jail, that should be his "Normal life" now, so why the urge to get out, if you had been convicted of terrorism, strongly believed in your cause for terrorism what would of stopped him acting out or communicating with other terrorists. after all his already dying and not got long to live (so by letting him free on 2nd thought, he probably would of re-offended)
I hate that terrorist!I want him to go 18yh level of hell!He bombed just before christmas!Omg many people are going home to celebrate Christmas!!F you terrorists
@SuperEd311 Youre right. I don't remember the Air India episode by Air Crash Investigation very well, but i think it was a non-used engine which had to be transported. So they simply put an 5th engine underneath the left wing, next to engine #2. If you want to watch this episode, it's called "Air India: Explosive Evidence (S05E07)"
love some of the comments here. I wonder why none of the same vitriol was reserved for the crew of the USS Vincennes, when they blasted IranAir 655 out of the sky whilst trespassing miles inside Iranian waters. Where is the sympathy for the 290 people killed? Where is the outrage that the senior crew were awarded medals and the ship given a tickertape parade upon its return? Yet more hypocrisy from the Home of the Stupid, the Land of the Ignorant.
@thomasboss01;So, if a trespassing Iranian cruiser shot down an American Airlines 747 off the coast of Florida "in self defence", then said it was a mistake, blamed the pilot, refused to pay compensation, refused to accept liability and refused to apologise, you'd accept that they "didn't do it on purpose" would you? Of course you would. This is what I love about the USA; nothing is EVER their fault.
I am Australian FYI. I am NOT defending what they did and think it was wrong for them not to apologize & accept responsibility but the bombing of Pan Am 103 is NOT an excuse. When the crew of the USS Vincennes shot down the plane, do you think that they wanted to kill all those innocent people? No.
They made a MISTAKE, they were totally in the wrong. But that is what I love about a few other countries, they *must* declare war and fight. It's too hard to deal with it like adults.
@thomasboss01; I too am an Aussie, and I am telling you straight that if one of our cruisers 'mistook' a climbing jumbo sized Airbus for a diving F14 then I would expect some answers, and I would also expect that crew to be at the very least booted out of the navy for incompetence. As for declaring war, well, look no further than the USA for that. Unless you can think of another equally as psychotically aggressive nation?
I agree they should of been booted out, whether accident or not they were responsible for almost 300 people's lives *but* once again, IranAir = accident, not intentional. PanAm=intentional.
Oh I know USA is not exactly the most 'peaceful' country and when I said that I was not defending the US, it was more of a general statement however I can think of worse places.
@thomasboss01; I understand, but you're missing the point of my original statement. The bombing of PanAm 103 was an appalling act of mass murder, yet none of the hysteria about the perpetrator and the hyperbole reserved for its victims was directed at IranAir 655. Were they less deserving of our sympathy? No. The answer is that they were brown people killed by Americans, which makes them less valuable. The same hypocrites who scream about al-Megrahi said not a word about the Vincennes; crew
@schizophrantic: Thanks, I'm well aware of the difference between Arab & Persian. It was a turn of phrase, used because most Americans would class Iranians as brown (and 'brown' would be about as complimentry as a lot of Americans get when referencing Iranians)
I hope Kadhaffi is captured, and thrown into a pit, having to look at the pictures of his innocent Lockerbie victims till the Devil comes to fetch him.
In his hell, he will be strapped into an 747 that blows up repeatedly and he must plunge to the ground in flames again, and again, and again.
Only then can the Pam AM Flight 103 RIP
(his other victims can relish this too since the Libyans suffered under him too).
This programme is complate rubbish.... you should watch other programmes on Lockerbie, ...and ask questions ... the first people on site were not local but were CIA.. a body was taken from the crash site and never seen again, a suit case was taken from the site and then returned later & the little piece of ciruit board would not have survived the bomb, they know because they remade it over 20 times & non of the ciruit ever survived, so that piece is simple a plant, Libya was not involved.
It's ok. Were taking care of Libya right now! Soon their oil and land will be under U.S control! We will ship the Libyans to Israel and set up our interests in Libya!
Feel the wrath of the American people now you Libyan devils!
Now gaddafi is in hell
sihayajim 9 hours ago
i don't understand why they released al megrahi because he was dying- 2 years later, hes still alive WTF
westyrules12 1 week ago
Gaddafi found the bullet, trigger pulled by his own countrymen.
speedfast01 3 weeks ago
its nicely constructed episode and I am a fan of Mayday series but why they didnt include FDR or CVR incorporated in this episode ? I am sure investigators would have definitely looked for black boxes. That is the first thing they do ?
sarmadhassan 3 weeks ago
@sarmadhassan I think it was because it was a bomb that caused the crash so there was no point in the episode showing those things as they wouldnt give anything extra to the episode. But as you say Im sure in real life they looked and found the black boxes.
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The speed of the planes destruction indicates a strong possibility that the plane suffered an impact from space debris or junk and this should have been investigated from day one. A space debris impact could destroy the plane instantly in mid air. I believe space debris also caused the AF 447, Air India (Irish Coast) etc and I also believe the investigators know this has most likely caused many other air disasters. Put JOHN HALL SPACE DEBRIS in your UK Google slot
RAISpaceDebris 1 month ago
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nucleartactician 1 month ago
747`s have an extra pylon on the right wing just outboard of the #3 engine to ferry repaired and engines needing repair bck and forth to the plant.
orcasman64 1 month ago
Anyone know if there is a "Air Crash Investigation" episode for the plane showed at 18:57
TheInternetVids 1 month ago in playlist Air Crash Investigation/ Air Emergency/ Mayday
@TheInternetVids
Yes there is one:
Mistaken Identity - Iran Air Flight 655
ShamrockFront 1 month ago
libya=2.7billion
U.S.A=?0?=lol..pay with?
syazwan881 1 month ago
"A bomb brought down an Air India jet just off the Scottish Coast". Please look at a map: the sea south of the Republic of Ireland is nowhere near Scotland. Air India 182 was routed to fly to London over the Bristol Channel, not fly the Daventry route over SW Scotland and the NW of England. The crash site of Air India 182 is over 450 statute miles from the nearest part of the Scottish mainland. ACI is good, but dropping the ball on small things like that by not researching properly annoys me
davidneibig 1 month ago
It's amazing how they can piece together what happened and how just from bits of debris.
itskirstybetchx 1 month ago
@itskirstybetchx took more than 2 years to do though. Doesn't make it any less impressive though :)
gfimadcat 2 weeks ago
so sad
rajesh862 1 month ago
14:12 This sleepy village is suddenly a city now is it? WTF
Bloodgod40 2 months ago
23 years ago today. RIP all the innocent victims. :(
AtheistBrit 2 months ago
thanks god that gaddafi died thumbs up
MrBashir999 2 months ago 2
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arvindmusical1965 2 months ago
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: SORRY TO HEAR THAT , OUR SYMPATHY IS WITH YOU FOR LOOSING THOSE 2 PEOPLES IN THIS CRASH. ABHISHEK / INDIA
arvindmusical1965 2 months ago
Took me about 20 minutes to realize that day-bree=debris
CassGirl21 2 months ago
I think this why pan am stopped
Ryaniscookiemonster 3 months ago
It where some pepole from Sweden on that plane crash. i hate that fucking terorist that bomb the plane, cause im from Sweden
TheFarmor1 3 months ago
@TheFarmor1 I think we should hate all forms of terrorism, no matter who they killed. We're all humans, if one of us were killed in an act of violence no matter the race, nationality, or background, we should all pursue justice to the ones responsible.
Good thing Gaddafi is no longer a problem now.
TommyIrianto 3 months ago in playlist Air Crash Investigation/ Air Emergency/ Mayday 6
@TheFarmor1 Well, the Irish were initially suspected, and I'm Irish.
GreenFloyd12 3 months ago
i´ve senn the air india jet episode only 2 died in the water the others did int even react
TheFarmor1 3 months ago
Despite their denials PanAm routinely placed bags on planes without passengers, My wife and I were passengers on a PanAm flight from New York to London, but we got "bounced" off the flight due to overbooking, so we ended up flying back with British Airways the next day, only to find on arrival that our baggage had flown back with PanAm, the previous night.
brigrove 3 months ago in playlist Air Crash Investigation/ Air Emergency/ Mayday
Every Year the family of the Victims of Lockerbie have to morn their loss at the happiest time of the year.
Now this year they can sneak some alcohol to celebrate the fact that justice has been carried out finally.
All the victims can RIP now that Gaddafi is getting his just desert.
equarg 3 months ago
I hear there's dancing in the streets in Lockerbie now that Qaddafi is dead.
DairDubh 4 months ago
@DairDubh Not true. The British are too refined for that. Any pleasure the people of Lockerbie derive from hearing of Gaddafi's death will be hidden with quiet dignity.
TheMightyHartley 4 months ago
@TheMightyHartley
Refined are you? Like having a nationwide party every Nov. 5th commemorating a Guy who was drawn and quartered?
DairDubh 4 months ago
The depiction of the crash at 16:38 is incorrect. The plane did not break up like that; in fact only the cockpit broke off, twelve seconds after the bombing. The rest of the plane was intact and actually kept flying, but it pitched down and broke up as it was travelling at an enourmous speed. Most passengers were also alive until the plane smashed into Lockerbie.
For a detailed animation of the initial disruption, see this video: /watch?v=j5naaWe3nLI
MyVideoHubOnDell 4 months ago
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You didn't get it, @16:38 they just visualized the hypothesis of the investigators that maybe a part of the plane played a role on the crash and not the actual conclusion of the crash.
Jairus24 4 months ago
@Jairus24 I see.
MyVideoHubOnDell 4 months ago
@pharao707 You're a pretty short-sighted prick. Anyone ever tell you that?
vtwinbreed 5 months ago in playlist More videos from Airflyer05Videos 2
Amazing how detailed this investigastion was done. Just amazing.
spiritofshiloh 5 months ago
" will full misconduct" I bet. More like voluntary misconduct. Doing the American Governments dirty work for them and sacrificing innocent people.
newromantic888 5 months ago
My step son almost boarded that flight from Germany.
spiritofshiloh 5 months ago
@spiritofshiloh
Bet your glad he didnt
Shame these things happen but not like you can do anything to bring the lost back
When he appealed back in 2008 stating his terminally ill forgetting the seriousness / scale of the terrorism and deaths, I thought let him have a few days before he dies his been in jail 20yrs
But after watching this and refreshing my memory on the scale of innocent lives, I have no mercy towards him and can remain in jail....
Devilzwishbone2009 5 months ago
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for the rest of his life. After all his spent 20 yrs in jail, that should be his "Normal life" now, so why the urge to get out, if you had been convicted of terrorism, strongly believed in your cause for terrorism what would of stopped him acting out or communicating with other terrorists. after all his already dying and not got long to live (so by letting him free on 2nd thought, he probably would of re-offended)
Devilzwishbone2009 5 months ago
@Devilzwishbone2009 Iranians did it, it's was revenge for Iran Air Flight 655 5 months earlier.
21boxhead 4 months ago
I hate that terrorist!I want him to go 18yh level of hell!He bombed just before christmas!Omg many people are going home to celebrate Christmas!!F you terrorists
GalaxyMaster99 5 months ago
was the pastry chef a policeman too? hehe those chefs you cant trust em anywhere ;-)
jmc19669 5 months ago
At 44:49, is it just me, or does that plane have an extra engine on the left wing?
SuperEd311 6 months ago 11
@SuperEd311 Youre right. I don't remember the Air India episode by Air Crash Investigation very well, but i think it was a non-used engine which had to be transported. So they simply put an 5th engine underneath the left wing, next to engine #2. If you want to watch this episode, it's called "Air India: Explosive Evidence (S05E07)"
Airflyer05Videos 6 months ago 15
@Airflyer05Videos ok thanks. ill check it out
SuperEd311 6 months ago
@Airflyer05Videos no airline in the world would that would just be stupid its obviously an error
21boxhead 4 months ago
@Airflyer05Videos
Everyone knows about Lockerbie.....but Air India is the forgotten terrorist attack.
Both are tragedies. My the victims of both planes RIP
equarg 3 months ago
@SuperEd311 yes an error lol
21boxhead 4 months ago
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flyingfan11 3 months ago
@SuperEd311 also at 17:33
flyingfan11 3 months ago
love some of the comments here. I wonder why none of the same vitriol was reserved for the crew of the USS Vincennes, when they blasted IranAir 655 out of the sky whilst trespassing miles inside Iranian waters. Where is the sympathy for the 290 people killed? Where is the outrage that the senior crew were awarded medals and the ship given a tickertape parade upon its return? Yet more hypocrisy from the Home of the Stupid, the Land of the Ignorant.
mikelinney68 6 months ago
@mikelinney68
Pan Am 103 was TERRORISM.
I don't think the crew who shot down flight 655 should of been awarded at all, but they didn't do it on purpose.
That is the difference.
thomasboss01 6 months ago
@thomasboss01;So, if a trespassing Iranian cruiser shot down an American Airlines 747 off the coast of Florida "in self defence", then said it was a mistake, blamed the pilot, refused to pay compensation, refused to accept liability and refused to apologise, you'd accept that they "didn't do it on purpose" would you? Of course you would. This is what I love about the USA; nothing is EVER their fault.
mikelinney68 6 months ago
@mikelinney68
I am Australian FYI. I am NOT defending what they did and think it was wrong for them not to apologize & accept responsibility but the bombing of Pan Am 103 is NOT an excuse. When the crew of the USS Vincennes shot down the plane, do you think that they wanted to kill all those innocent people? No.
They made a MISTAKE, they were totally in the wrong. But that is what I love about a few other countries, they *must* declare war and fight. It's too hard to deal with it like adults.
thomasboss01 6 months ago
@thomasboss01; I too am an Aussie, and I am telling you straight that if one of our cruisers 'mistook' a climbing jumbo sized Airbus for a diving F14 then I would expect some answers, and I would also expect that crew to be at the very least booted out of the navy for incompetence. As for declaring war, well, look no further than the USA for that. Unless you can think of another equally as psychotically aggressive nation?
mikelinney68 6 months ago
@mikelinney68
I agree they should of been booted out, whether accident or not they were responsible for almost 300 people's lives *but* once again, IranAir = accident, not intentional. PanAm=intentional.
Oh I know USA is not exactly the most 'peaceful' country and when I said that I was not defending the US, it was more of a general statement however I can think of worse places.
thomasboss01 6 months ago
@thomasboss01; I understand, but you're missing the point of my original statement. The bombing of PanAm 103 was an appalling act of mass murder, yet none of the hysteria about the perpetrator and the hyperbole reserved for its victims was directed at IranAir 655. Were they less deserving of our sympathy? No. The answer is that they were brown people killed by Americans, which makes them less valuable. The same hypocrites who scream about al-Megrahi said not a word about the Vincennes; crew
mikelinney68 6 months ago
@mikelinney68 "brown people" most Iranians aren't dark skinned.
schizophrantic 5 months ago
@schizophrantic: Thanks, I'm well aware of the difference between Arab & Persian. It was a turn of phrase, used because most Americans would class Iranians as brown (and 'brown' would be about as complimentry as a lot of Americans get when referencing Iranians)
mikelinney68 5 months ago
I hope Kadhaffi is captured, and thrown into a pit, having to look at the pictures of his innocent Lockerbie victims till the Devil comes to fetch him.
In his hell, he will be strapped into an 747 that blows up repeatedly and he must plunge to the ground in flames again, and again, and again.
Only then can the Pam AM Flight 103 RIP
(his other victims can relish this too since the Libyans suffered under him too).
equarg 6 months ago
Lets hope the rebels will kill that motherfucker who did this and kadhaffi too.
ducksurprise 6 months ago
@ducksurprise haha fuck u kadhafi is not in lybia and prepared to another bomb for usa hahaha
djromancia98 6 months ago
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@djromancia98 how does it feel to be mentally retarded ?
ducksurprise 6 months ago
This programme is complate rubbish.... you should watch other programmes on Lockerbie, ...and ask questions ... the first people on site were not local but were CIA.. a body was taken from the crash site and never seen again, a suit case was taken from the site and then returned later & the little piece of ciruit board would not have survived the bomb, they know because they remade it over 20 times & non of the ciruit ever survived, so that piece is simple a plant, Libya was not involved.
jenleex 6 months ago
@jenleex Oh really...then why did Kadhaffi offer 10 million per victim...I don't think it was out of sympathy.
He even admitted to ordering it before this.
equarg 6 months ago
It's ok. Were taking care of Libya right now! Soon their oil and land will be under U.S control! We will ship the Libyans to Israel and set up our interests in Libya!
Feel the wrath of the American people now you Libyan devils!
BubbaBodecker 6 months ago
this was a shame, Pan Am had a great and long history and sadly this even is what ended up killing Pan Am slowly.
MasterJericho85 7 months ago in playlist MayDay
Thanks to Airflyer05Videos for uploading this video.
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