j'avais vu PETER avec weather report,avec jaco pastorius,puis avec step head a nice et au new morning a paris,.il m'a beaucoup influençé,c'est un très ,très grand batteur! et un grand monsieur.DIDIER D'AGOSTINO BATTEUR COMPOSITEUR et professeur de batterie, sur youtube,dailymotion,myspace,facebook.
It's interesting to reflect: When I was growing up listening to music, there didn't seem to be this incessant need to compare and contrast things for what appears to be the express sole intent of ranking.
Shouldn't the music in and of itself be sufficient entertainment? Why the need to squelch it?
This video is not metal versus jazz. This is Peter Erskine. Enjoy the vid if you like him, and if you don't, just click the close button. No prob...srsly, stop arguing. I watched this to see pete drum
metal does get complex and technical. but not nearly as much as jazz, simply because jazz bands use more polyrhythms and polymeters.. Id say instead of metal, check out math rock. math rock is a like a jazzy version of clean guitar metal. Tera Melos is a great band
@hbkhhhrvdy2j .... you cant go wrong with the first Steps Ahead record .. It is called " Steps Ahead " .... peter erskine , eddie gomez , michael brecker , eliane elias , mike maniari .... In my opinion it is one of the finest records ever made .. in any genre .
But metal lovers are kidding themselves if they think metal is even close to the complexity of jazz. Metal has 2 problems that will forever keep it in the kid stuff category-
1. Complete lack of dynamics
2. Complete inability by most metal players to phrase effectively with upbeats, making the music sound all the more stiff because of it. It is completely downbeat oriented music.
Most death metal and shit don't play around with dynamics and suck ass, yes. But you can't define metal as not playing with dynamics as there are a TON of metal bands that are very aware of how to play musically. Also, why is having a big emphasis on the downbeat a bad thing? Why does that make for "bad" music?
I didn't call it bad, I only mentioned the downbeat/upbeat thing as a rebuttal to the comment that metal is too fast for some people's minds to understand. It's not difficult to understand at all. Does the alphabet become any more complex if you say it at 100000mph (or, lps- letters per second?). The heavy domincance of downbeat phrasing in metal makes it easier to understand (which is GOOD) but puts it on a lower level of complexity than the jazz/latin/fusion universe
And just in case that wasn't clear enough- I'm not trying to say metal is BAD in anyway because of what I mentioned, just that it is measurably less complex than the most complex jazz (there is a ton of simple jazz of course). all this complication of music got popular much later on for jazz and rock alike. Jazz went from dixieland to mahavishnu-style prog fusion, while rock went from little richard to meshuggah
Well In Fact Jazz is more technical than anything I believe, Classical falls second, and yes is not about complexity but just the very essence of the ear. BUT Metal does have Dynamics, and is not about being as Complex as Bach or Metheny, but true feeling IMO, look at Punk Rock and other Extreme Forms of music, alot people here would think is rubbish, but it certainly has alot of feeling, trust me I know my metal, and respect all forms of music.
@willV ya unfortunately i think its the rising popularity of drummers wanting to "play metal" thats making people consider most drummers to just be meatheads with sticks... i mean i think some metal is good but a lot of metal drummers just overuse the double bass and like you said, they dont have real dynamics/technique.
o and what matters is how the drummer plays, not how he and his kit looks (cmon, you dont really need 16 toms, 12 cymbals, and a mohawk... you just need to play from your heart)
@willV Don't forget that 3. They are all right hand dominant4.Rely on single stroke rolls as their only rudiment4. Can't control bounce roll (press roll. or ruffs that lead or break up a fill). Complete amateur in the sticks dept are ALL Metal Tards.
@willV ..... I have always wondered what metal people will do when they " grow up " .... I do not mean to say that metal is music for kids or whatever ... just that , at some point , I would think they would get out of bed one morning and say ... " you know , i dont feel like playing loud today , i dont feel like being " evil " today , I dont feel like playing all down beats today .....
@sweetfly66 Depends on what growth is inducing in them & what is being incurred likewise apart from a single-sighted mentality which is more than likely imbued as it imbues a frame of reference to life as they see it. It took years to overcome the strobe-lighted hindrances I hid amongst as an impressionable musician. Knowing comes from more than reading text. It comes as a result of incorporating, minimally, semblances of what the text itself represents, i.e., it has to be incurred via living.
@lucariololol Meshuggah is one of my favorite bands, they are awesome, definitely an exception in metal to alot of the things I said. And even then, they still have alot of those things I mentioned to some extent. Artists like Candiria (who is done now, but they were innovators and VERY jazz-fusion oriented), Meshuggah, TesseracT, Animals as Leaders, Cynic and Chimp Spanner definitely take metal in a direction I like giving it more rhythmic and structural diversity.
@willV I am a metal drummer, and I agree. I'm not kidding, just two days ago I quit my metal band to start a jazz/lounge band with a good friend of mine.
@willV Please...You didn't listen a lot of metal right? I promise you that it's just as hard to play metal as playing jazz... If you don't want to suffer with the vocals but still are open minded enough to watch some good metal drummer, watch this: watch?v=ERJVGXtV0ZI .
Just an exemple of what real metal drumming is, not just blast beat/skank beat and fast double bass all the way...
@Blacklorigine Wrong, I actually listened to alot of metal. My first years drumming I listened to nothing but metal and it's all I played. Read ALL my comments here, I wasn't trying to bad mouth metal, I just went a little overboard in my rebuttals. My criticisms were directed at TYPICAL styles of metal. The drummer you posted has clearly studied more than just metal,and I wish more metal drummers approached it like he does. I disagree that his style is what makes "real metal drumming", but...
@willV ...I like it BETTER than what I would real metal drumming. It's clear that he has studied other styles (like oh, say, JAZZ!) and that's what gives him that extra flavor in those parts that aren't just blasts/skanks/double bass. Also, I never said anything about which music is HARDER to play, as I know metal is PHYSICALLY challenging. I mentioned which style I think is more complex.
@willV But, if you listen some blotted science, you'll see that metal can be really complex ;). And in your post you said that metal is in the kid stuff category, does'nt it mean that it's an easy thing? And yes, Hannes studied jazz, but what he does with obscura isn't like jazz AT ALL, altough it's really complex..
And even blast beats are an upbeat things, it might be more repetitive; but it's by all mean no "kid stuff". Unless if you talked about bad metal drummers, but it's the same in jazz.
@willV Haha, it's ok dude, I've nothing against you : D I didn't like this comment but if you say yourself that you've gone too far, there's no problem bro ;) Anyway, Peter is one of the best, my fav jazz drummer.
@Blacklorigine I feel you bro. I'm glad we could discuss it without turning it into a trolling contest. A rare occurrence and a triumph in this troll-friendly internet culture, especially on youtube, home of the most epic trollfests ever.
@willV to clarify- I was rubbed the wrong way by a comment that seems to have been removed from here. "Kid stuff" was definitely going too far and while I still do feel there is a lack of dynamics and upbeat phrasings, it's not a complete lack either. I am simply referring to the MOST TYPICAL STYLES OF METAL.
regarding the metal discussion going on here- I love metal and will always have a soft spot for it. It's stupid to engage in fights about one style of music or another, especially when arguments are based on complexity of the music because complexity doesn't matter.
Are you taking notes Gadd? this how it's supposed to sound like.Peter erskine slays gadd at gadd's own lame and lethargic game. There is no need for steve gadd when there are drummers like Peter and Tony and elvin and billy. Gadd is better than The Turd Portney . But who isn't?
You should learn before you talk. Do you know what Gadd has done, and how even Erskine would comment on his great feel? You think Gadd can't do that? Anyway, it's an Erskine video, shut up woman and appreciate it, jumping around of all of Erskine's videos and saying the same crap about Gadd.
This moron rrdrums comments on everything with stupidity. He actually knows nothing of drumming and his comparisons are so off, he doesn't understand every musicians plays in a way which they are suited. Meaning they develop their own style based off of their influences, which leads to new styles and what not. The guy is a complete tool. Would like to see him even try to play a kit.
I know, he only bashes like, EVERY mike portnoy video... Not to mention he tried saying jimi hendrix is better than john petrucci, whom might I add are too different to compare. Beware of his new account, its called Imsorry110
@YtseJohn525 JImi Hendrix IS .........SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN PUTRUCCI'S sorry incapable of writing one great song's ass. Don't even talk about charisma. he has less than 0. Stage presence? put a bag over it. it's ugly and non art looking. Going to be remembered? Only by a few twerp non players.meaningless musician in the large picture.
@YtseJohn525 JImi Hendrix IS .........SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN PUTRUCCI'S sorry incapable of writing one great song's ass. Don't even talk about charisma. he has less than 0. Stage presence? put a bag over it. it's ugly and non art looking. Going to be remembered? Only by a few twerp non players.meaningless musician in the large picture.
@YtseJohn525 JImi Hendrix IS .........SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN PUTRUCCI'S sorry incapable of writing one great song's ass. Don't even talk about charisma. he has less than 0. Stage presence? put a bag over it. it's ugly and non art looking. Going to be remembered? Only by a few twerp non players.meaningless musician in the large picture.
@YtseJohn525 JImi Hendrix IS .........SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN PUTRUCCI'S sorry incapable of writing one great song's ass. Don't even talk about charisma. he has less than 0. Stage presence? put a bag over it. it's ugly and non art looking. Going to be remembered? Only by a few twerp non players.meaningless musician in the large picture.
@YtseJohn525 JImi Hendrix IS .........SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN PUTRUCCI'S sorry incapable of writing one great song's ass. Don't even talk about charisma. he has less than 0. Stage presence? put a bag over it. it's ugly and non art looking. Going to be remembered? Only by a few twerp non players.meaningless musician in the large picture.
@Youwishyoucouldplay Of course you haven't. I didn't even say Petrucci was better than Hendrix, but you chimed in telling me how you think Petrucci sucks compared to Hendrix. I'm sorry, but I don't think Petrucci wants to burn his guitar for better stage presence.
@YtseJohn525 Forget the guitar burning thing. I never even think of that. How about a supposedly great guitar player right at least one great song. One great song all by himself. Something that people will treasure for say eternity? Hendrix has many of them. Let's skip all the other prerequisites for superstardom engines. Putriducci doesn't jave one ounce of star power. hendrix had all of those engines and nuclear powered. What a package. This John dude might as well be working on the docks.
@Youwishyoucouldplay Well maybe it's just me, but I don't judge guitarists on their fame or superstardom. That's like saying Justin Bieber is better than Steve Vai because Justin gets more fame. I judge on the skill of the guitarist, and I like Hendrix and Petrucci but they're too different genre-wise to compare.
@YtseJohn525 You can't keep evading the real issue. or will you? The MOST important aspect of any musician is his creativity in song writing. So again...where's the great song/s . This dude is just a bit part collaborator/shredder
Amazing musicality, phrasing, technique, stick control - Erskine is the complete package. People who dis him are one of two things: jealous or just plain stupid.
tripplets and comping at the same time (even if it is fast) is way too fucking easy if you're an ex-jazz drummer who got tired of that bullshit and started playing death metal
thats kinda funny because death metal drummers usually grow tired of all that noise and, not offending anyone here, "mature" to a more subtle, expressive form of playing called Jazz.
well I started out with jazz and slow boring rock and moved on to Death Metal (now I play a little more progressive than before, kind of like Meshuggah if you've heard of them)
I dunno. I was the opposite. I started with Jazz and moved onto Metal. Certain people just like different things about music, and calling different styles more "mature" than another does absolutely no justice to the music at all.
well, just my opinion but some forms of music like rock or death metal usually express one simple ida, which is why kids like mainstream music because its all either im pissed or im happy or w.e. once you become more mature,become more intelligent, people move on to different types of music. Which is why you wont see your mom listening to panic at the disco . not to say rock and metal cant be extremely complicated, i cant play most death metal. And I not saying one style is better or another
Death metal only seems blunt and immature to those who don't listen to it. Every style of music can be analyzed like jazz, but I prefer to just listen to the music and enjoy it.
it depends on your definition of death metal. the thing is that anyone can play "death metal", its just a matter of it being good or not. same goes for any genre.
in my experience, though, most death metal "drummers" are crap.
i'm so tired of this metal vs. jazz crap that is going on. both have amazing elements i listen to both and a bunch of other stuff in between. look up a band called atheist .. and cynic. both use jazz influences in their metal.. and spastic ink is WAY off the wall stuff. we shouldn't be arguing the difference between metal a jazz.. we should be wondering why music that requires many hours of practice is pushed aside to let bands like blink 182/ rap/ american idol winners be famous
I can tell you why we should let those mentioned ppl be famous. Cuz music is not a d*ck measuring contest.
And besides, who died and made you the king af what is "Good" music and "Bad" music? Is a technically superadvanced song necessarily better than a tehnically easy song?
In conclusion: Music is a form of art, free of rules and juges. It is always going to be up to the individual to decide what they like or not. So jump of you high horse and let ppl listen to what they want.
well I was a death metal drummer & then I got into jazz/fusion & for years I found death metal to be boring but then I realised that I had it wrong because at the end of the day death metal or pop or soft rock or funk & even hip hop is all part of the same music industry & style is erelevant because all drumming is good & you can learn somethig from everything & if you advance thats good but never forget how good the easy stuff felt at first because its all part of the journey as a player.
are you kidding me? I learned those when I had played the drums for about two hours. It doesent take any skill at all to do them. pisses me off so bad to see those rolls, specially from drummers who are considered "good"
this is so amazing... peter plays his stuff so godlike. there is no fault, always the perfect time and interensting ideas in his playing... he's definitely one of the best jazz drummers ever.
I love his real light touch on the toms especially how he hardly moves his arms and just barely touches the drums and does a few quick notes here and there.
''Like Mike Portnoy''
TheFedericongrjp9f 6 months ago
j'avais vu PETER avec weather report,avec jaco pastorius,puis avec step head a nice et au new morning a paris,.il m'a beaucoup influençé,c'est un très ,très grand batteur! et un grand monsieur.DIDIER D'AGOSTINO BATTEUR COMPOSITEUR et professeur de batterie, sur youtube,dailymotion,myspace,facebook.
dagostinoification 9 months ago
They are talented musicians, no doubt. The melodies sound completely randomized though...
TheCaoth 10 months ago
It's interesting to reflect: When I was growing up listening to music, there didn't seem to be this incessant need to compare and contrast things for what appears to be the express sole intent of ranking.
Shouldn't the music in and of itself be sufficient entertainment? Why the need to squelch it?
JonP1961 11 months ago
yeah I completely agree that jazz is way more complicated then metal..
it'd be more fair to compare math rock to jazz. cause they're both very complicated to play.
GenuineColour 1 year ago
Does anyone know names of jazz bands that play this type of fast jazz?
yinyowhite 1 year ago
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wich sticks is he using here(can se piccolo tips only)?
mate555ify 1 year ago
wich sticks is he using here(can se piccolo tips only)?
mate555ify 1 year ago
Anyone know what this tune is called?
winner0loser 1 year ago
This video is not metal versus jazz. This is Peter Erskine. Enjoy the vid if you like him, and if you don't, just click the close button. No prob...srsly, stop arguing. I watched this to see pete drum
AshDrums7 1 year ago
@AshDrums7 totally agree.. lol wsup ash
dubearjun 1 year ago
he is incredible..
mattisprettycool 1 year ago
metal does get complex and technical. but not nearly as much as jazz, simply because jazz bands use more polyrhythms and polymeters.. Id say instead of metal, check out math rock. math rock is a like a jazzy version of clean guitar metal. Tera Melos is a great band
GenuineColour 1 year ago
ok i love metal but i have been listening to jazz so anybody could tell me some good jazz albums??
hbkhhhrvdy2j 1 year ago
@hbkhhhrvdy2j .... you cant go wrong with the first Steps Ahead record .. It is called " Steps Ahead " .... peter erskine , eddie gomez , michael brecker , eliane elias , mike maniari .... In my opinion it is one of the finest records ever made .. in any genre .
sweetfly66 1 year ago
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tag the troll
Imsorry110sucks 1 year ago 3
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mattisprettycool 2 years ago
DAMMNN!!!!!!!!!!!! - nuff said
SuperVideoGamePerson 2 years ago
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RICOBLAB 2 years ago
pure raw talent.
mattisprettycool 2 years ago
I love metal and I always did. I really do.
But hell, it IS less complex than Jazz. The question is do we want complexity ? SHALL WE want complexity ? Why should we ?
Now I love Jazz and its subteness too.... just let people choose!
oukourj 2 years ago
wow
MrPongnoy 2 years ago
But metal lovers are kidding themselves if they think metal is even close to the complexity of jazz. Metal has 2 problems that will forever keep it in the kid stuff category-
1. Complete lack of dynamics
2. Complete inability by most metal players to phrase effectively with upbeats, making the music sound all the more stiff because of it. It is completely downbeat oriented music.
willV 2 years ago 16
Most death metal and shit don't play around with dynamics and suck ass, yes. But you can't define metal as not playing with dynamics as there are a TON of metal bands that are very aware of how to play musically. Also, why is having a big emphasis on the downbeat a bad thing? Why does that make for "bad" music?
riddleman65 2 years ago
I didn't call it bad, I only mentioned the downbeat/upbeat thing as a rebuttal to the comment that metal is too fast for some people's minds to understand. It's not difficult to understand at all. Does the alphabet become any more complex if you say it at 100000mph (or, lps- letters per second?). The heavy domincance of downbeat phrasing in metal makes it easier to understand (which is GOOD) but puts it on a lower level of complexity than the jazz/latin/fusion universe
willV 2 years ago
And just in case that wasn't clear enough- I'm not trying to say metal is BAD in anyway because of what I mentioned, just that it is measurably less complex than the most complex jazz (there is a ton of simple jazz of course). all this complication of music got popular much later on for jazz and rock alike. Jazz went from dixieland to mahavishnu-style prog fusion, while rock went from little richard to meshuggah
willV 2 years ago
Well In Fact Jazz is more technical than anything I believe, Classical falls second, and yes is not about complexity but just the very essence of the ear. BUT Metal does have Dynamics, and is not about being as Complex as Bach or Metheny, but true feeling IMO, look at Punk Rock and other Extreme Forms of music, alot people here would think is rubbish, but it certainly has alot of feeling, trust me I know my metal, and respect all forms of music.
eddiemperor 2 years ago
@willV ya unfortunately i think its the rising popularity of drummers wanting to "play metal" thats making people consider most drummers to just be meatheads with sticks... i mean i think some metal is good but a lot of metal drummers just overuse the double bass and like you said, they dont have real dynamics/technique.
o and what matters is how the drummer plays, not how he and his kit looks (cmon, you dont really need 16 toms, 12 cymbals, and a mohawk... you just need to play from your heart)
jw22345 1 year ago
@willV Don't forget that 3. They are all right hand dominant4.Rely on single stroke rolls as their only rudiment4. Can't control bounce roll (press roll. or ruffs that lead or break up a fill). Complete amateur in the sticks dept are ALL Metal Tards.
Youwishyoucouldplay 1 year ago
@willV ..... I have always wondered what metal people will do when they " grow up " .... I do not mean to say that metal is music for kids or whatever ... just that , at some point , I would think they would get out of bed one morning and say ... " you know , i dont feel like playing loud today , i dont feel like being " evil " today , I dont feel like playing all down beats today .....
sweetfly66 1 year ago
@sweetfly66 Depends on what growth is inducing in them & what is being incurred likewise apart from a single-sighted mentality which is more than likely imbued as it imbues a frame of reference to life as they see it. It took years to overcome the strobe-lighted hindrances I hid amongst as an impressionable musician. Knowing comes from more than reading text. It comes as a result of incorporating, minimally, semblances of what the text itself represents, i.e., it has to be incurred via living.
OneSteveUnderGod 1 year ago
@willV look at a band called meshuggah
lucariololol 1 year ago
@lucariololol Meshuggah is one of my favorite bands, they are awesome, definitely an exception in metal to alot of the things I said. And even then, they still have alot of those things I mentioned to some extent. Artists like Candiria (who is done now, but they were innovators and VERY jazz-fusion oriented), Meshuggah, TesseracT, Animals as Leaders, Cynic and Chimp Spanner definitely take metal in a direction I like giving it more rhythmic and structural diversity.
willV 1 year ago
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lucariololol 1 year ago
@willV i dont like metal, but if you think there is lack of dynamics in metal your an idiot...
CPRCRRSC 1 year ago
@CPRCRRSC disagree with me but don't insult me
willV 1 year ago
@willV I am a metal drummer, and I agree. I'm not kidding, just two days ago I quit my metal band to start a jazz/lounge band with a good friend of mine.
keres993 1 year ago
@willV I do have to disagree with the dynamic comment. But I agree completely with you on the fact that it is completely down-beat oriented.
IPstixrawesume 1 year ago
@IPstixrawesume honestly, i think saying COMPLETE lack of dynamics was pretty harsh, i should have said limited dynamics
willV 1 year ago
@willV Opeth is a good exception :)
MrElias090295 1 year ago
@willV listen to Pianos Become the Teeth there's some metal with dynamics
Brianplaysdrums 11 months ago
@willV Please...You didn't listen a lot of metal right? I promise you that it's just as hard to play metal as playing jazz... If you don't want to suffer with the vocals but still are open minded enough to watch some good metal drummer, watch this: watch?v=ERJVGXtV0ZI .
Just an exemple of what real metal drumming is, not just blast beat/skank beat and fast double bass all the way...
Blacklorigine 6 months ago
@Blacklorigine Wrong, I actually listened to alot of metal. My first years drumming I listened to nothing but metal and it's all I played. Read ALL my comments here, I wasn't trying to bad mouth metal, I just went a little overboard in my rebuttals. My criticisms were directed at TYPICAL styles of metal. The drummer you posted has clearly studied more than just metal,and I wish more metal drummers approached it like he does. I disagree that his style is what makes "real metal drumming", but...
willV 6 months ago
@willV ...I like it BETTER than what I would real metal drumming. It's clear that he has studied other styles (like oh, say, JAZZ!) and that's what gives him that extra flavor in those parts that aren't just blasts/skanks/double bass. Also, I never said anything about which music is HARDER to play, as I know metal is PHYSICALLY challenging. I mentioned which style I think is more complex.
willV 6 months ago
@willV But, if you listen some blotted science, you'll see that metal can be really complex ;). And in your post you said that metal is in the kid stuff category, does'nt it mean that it's an easy thing? And yes, Hannes studied jazz, but what he does with obscura isn't like jazz AT ALL, altough it's really complex..
And even blast beats are an upbeat things, it might be more repetitive; but it's by all mean no "kid stuff". Unless if you talked about bad metal drummers, but it's the same in jazz.
Blacklorigine 6 months ago
@Blacklorigine read more than just that one reply that I posted, I've since retracted some of my statements!
willV 6 months ago
@willV Haha, it's ok dude, I've nothing against you : D I didn't like this comment but if you say yourself that you've gone too far, there's no problem bro ;) Anyway, Peter is one of the best, my fav jazz drummer.
Blacklorigine 6 months ago
@Blacklorigine I feel you bro. I'm glad we could discuss it without turning it into a trolling contest. A rare occurrence and a triumph in this troll-friendly internet culture, especially on youtube, home of the most epic trollfests ever.
willV 6 months ago
@willV to clarify- I was rubbed the wrong way by a comment that seems to have been removed from here. "Kid stuff" was definitely going too far and while I still do feel there is a lack of dynamics and upbeat phrasings, it's not a complete lack either. I am simply referring to the MOST TYPICAL STYLES OF METAL.
willV 6 months ago
@willV right on man, couldnt be more correct
paisteguy799 3 months ago
@willV You know, peter will probably got a heart attack if he try to play George Kollias stuff. lol
ransisua 3 months ago
regarding the metal discussion going on here- I love metal and will always have a soft spot for it. It's stupid to engage in fights about one style of music or another, especially when arguments are based on complexity of the music because complexity doesn't matter.
willV 2 years ago
rrdrums110, Peter Erskine would not like the way you're talking about Steve Gadd lol
xnumxlockx 2 years ago
By the way, he has a fuckin awesome moustache
xnumxlockx 2 years ago
Wow, it seems the sticks want to get back into Peters hand when he does double strokes around.
Tellalca 2 years ago
never get tired of Peter spanking Gadd's ass.
rrdrums110 2 years ago
Who needs to watch paint dry Gadd boyeee?
rrdrums110 2 years ago
Damn!!!!Erskine on fire!!!!!
wjdsmith 2 years ago
Are you taking notes Gadd? this how it's supposed to sound like.Peter erskine slays gadd at gadd's own lame and lethargic game. There is no need for steve gadd when there are drummers like Peter and Tony and elvin and billy. Gadd is better than The Turd Portney . But who isn't?
rrdrums110 2 years ago
You should learn before you talk. Do you know what Gadd has done, and how even Erskine would comment on his great feel? You think Gadd can't do that? Anyway, it's an Erskine video, shut up woman and appreciate it, jumping around of all of Erskine's videos and saying the same crap about Gadd.
Chase0106 2 years ago
This moron rrdrums comments on everything with stupidity. He actually knows nothing of drumming and his comparisons are so off, he doesn't understand every musicians plays in a way which they are suited. Meaning they develop their own style based off of their influences, which leads to new styles and what not. The guy is a complete tool. Would like to see him even try to play a kit.
SkatesforJerseyDude 2 years ago 2
I know, he only bashes like, EVERY mike portnoy video... Not to mention he tried saying jimi hendrix is better than john petrucci, whom might I add are too different to compare. Beware of his new account, its called Imsorry110
YtseJohn525 1 year ago 2
@YtseJohn525 JImi Hendrix IS .........SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN PUTRUCCI'S sorry incapable of writing one great song's ass. Don't even talk about charisma. he has less than 0. Stage presence? put a bag over it. it's ugly and non art looking. Going to be remembered? Only by a few twerp non players.meaningless musician in the large picture.
Youwishyoucouldplay 1 year ago
@YtseJohn525 JImi Hendrix IS .........SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN PUTRUCCI'S sorry incapable of writing one great song's ass. Don't even talk about charisma. he has less than 0. Stage presence? put a bag over it. it's ugly and non art looking. Going to be remembered? Only by a few twerp non players.meaningless musician in the large picture.
Youwishyoucouldplay 1 year ago
@YtseJohn525 JImi Hendrix IS .........SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN PUTRUCCI'S sorry incapable of writing one great song's ass. Don't even talk about charisma. he has less than 0. Stage presence? put a bag over it. it's ugly and non art looking. Going to be remembered? Only by a few twerp non players.meaningless musician in the large picture.
Youwishyoucouldplay 1 year ago
@YtseJohn525 JImi Hendrix IS .........SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN PUTRUCCI'S sorry incapable of writing one great song's ass. Don't even talk about charisma. he has less than 0. Stage presence? put a bag over it. it's ugly and non art looking. Going to be remembered? Only by a few twerp non players.meaningless musician in the large picture.
Youwishyoucouldplay 1 year ago
@YtseJohn525 JImi Hendrix IS .........SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN PUTRUCCI'S sorry incapable of writing one great song's ass. Don't even talk about charisma. he has less than 0. Stage presence? put a bag over it. it's ugly and non art looking. Going to be remembered? Only by a few twerp non players.meaningless musician in the large picture.
Youwishyoucouldplay 1 year ago
@Youwishyoucouldplay So, um, ya I don't think I asked for your opinion. Your probably rrdrums110 so ya don't talk to me.
YtseJohn525 1 year ago 2
@YtseJohn525 have I ever waited for an invite to opine?
Youwishyoucouldplay 1 year ago
@Youwishyoucouldplay Of course you haven't. I didn't even say Petrucci was better than Hendrix, but you chimed in telling me how you think Petrucci sucks compared to Hendrix. I'm sorry, but I don't think Petrucci wants to burn his guitar for better stage presence.
YtseJohn525 1 year ago
@YtseJohn525 Forget the guitar burning thing. I never even think of that. How about a supposedly great guitar player right at least one great song. One great song all by himself. Something that people will treasure for say eternity? Hendrix has many of them. Let's skip all the other prerequisites for superstardom engines. Putriducci doesn't jave one ounce of star power. hendrix had all of those engines and nuclear powered. What a package. This John dude might as well be working on the docks.
Youwishyoucouldplay 1 year ago
@Youwishyoucouldplay Well maybe it's just me, but I don't judge guitarists on their fame or superstardom. That's like saying Justin Bieber is better than Steve Vai because Justin gets more fame. I judge on the skill of the guitarist, and I like Hendrix and Petrucci but they're too different genre-wise to compare.
YtseJohn525 1 year ago
@YtseJohn525 You can't keep evading the real issue. or will you? The MOST important aspect of any musician is his creativity in song writing. So again...where's the great song/s . This dude is just a bit part collaborator/shredder
Youwishyoucouldplay 1 year ago
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paulo101 2 years ago
the right hand pattern must be very difficult to play and very fast too, Peter is one of the best Jazz drummers in the world!
gagman151 2 years ago
That's a Hi-Hat END :)
lileulileu 2 years ago
I wonder if that is the Left side ride that he made with Zildjian, either way that ride is so nice.
jimilufnin 2 years ago
Am I wrong or is it Dave Weckl on bass?
AntiSustain 2 years ago
lol no :D
LORE132 2 years ago 2
actually the answer is "yes". Yes he IS wrong.
willV 2 years ago
uma aula grandiosa de jazz cara...
sem comentários...
andrezfz 3 years ago
Wow.... Just appreciate it for what it is! Even if you don't know what you are talking about!
and those are triplets.
weegan 3 years ago
amazing ... and for alt hose fools whoo think is easy ,try doing all that stuff and keepin the temp with your left foot constant
grindthedrum666 3 years ago
Amazing musicality, phrasing, technique, stick control - Erskine is the complete package. People who dis him are one of two things: jealous or just plain stupid.
daviethedrummer 3 years ago
tripplets and comping at the same time (even if it is fast) is way too fucking easy if you're an ex-jazz drummer who got tired of that bullshit and started playing death metal
Flatvia 3 years ago
thats kinda funny because death metal drummers usually grow tired of all that noise and, not offending anyone here, "mature" to a more subtle, expressive form of playing called Jazz.
Drumming2thelord 3 years ago
well I started out with jazz and slow boring rock and moved on to Death Metal (now I play a little more progressive than before, kind of like Meshuggah if you've heard of them)
Flatvia 3 years ago
I dunno. I was the opposite. I started with Jazz and moved onto Metal. Certain people just like different things about music, and calling different styles more "mature" than another does absolutely no justice to the music at all.
indiadrummer 2 years ago
well, just my opinion but some forms of music like rock or death metal usually express one simple ida, which is why kids like mainstream music because its all either im pissed or im happy or w.e. once you become more mature,become more intelligent, people move on to different types of music. Which is why you wont see your mom listening to panic at the disco . not to say rock and metal cant be extremely complicated, i cant play most death metal. And I not saying one style is better or another
TonEy81 2 years ago
Death metal only seems blunt and immature to those who don't listen to it. Every style of music can be analyzed like jazz, but I prefer to just listen to the music and enjoy it.
indiadrummer 2 years ago
it depends on your definition of death metal. the thing is that anyone can play "death metal", its just a matter of it being good or not. same goes for any genre.
in my experience, though, most death metal "drummers" are crap.
osborneddotcom 2 years ago
i'm so tired of this metal vs. jazz crap that is going on. both have amazing elements i listen to both and a bunch of other stuff in between. look up a band called atheist .. and cynic. both use jazz influences in their metal.. and spastic ink is WAY off the wall stuff. we shouldn't be arguing the difference between metal a jazz.. we should be wondering why music that requires many hours of practice is pushed aside to let bands like blink 182/ rap/ american idol winners be famous
shadowlorde 2 years ago 27
VERY well put....thank you shadowlorde
osborneddotcom 2 years ago
agreed. ur a smart person but dont diss all rap just the mainstream stuff is terrible
KRyPToNiTe1923 2 years ago
@shadowlorde
I can tell you why we should let those mentioned ppl be famous. Cuz music is not a d*ck measuring contest.
And besides, who died and made you the king af what is "Good" music and "Bad" music? Is a technically superadvanced song necessarily better than a tehnically easy song?
In conclusion: Music is a form of art, free of rules and juges. It is always going to be up to the individual to decide what they like or not. So jump of you high horse and let ppl listen to what they want.
qqwweerrttiill 1 year ago
@shadowlorde Atheist and Cynic are amazing. Props dude
drummerboy4269 1 year ago
well I was a death metal drummer & then I got into jazz/fusion & for years I found death metal to be boring but then I realised that I had it wrong because at the end of the day death metal or pop or soft rock or funk & even hip hop is all part of the same music industry & style is erelevant because all drumming is good & you can learn somethig from everything & if you advance thats good but never forget how good the easy stuff felt at first because its all part of the journey as a player.
jimilufnin 2 years ago 2
Some people's brains don't work fast enough for them to understand Death Metal.
Koshak1991 2 years ago
that is the most un-educated comment i have ever heard.
Bosphorus92 2 years ago
stupid double stroke rolls, so lame
Flatvia 3 years ago
Why are double stroke rolls stupid and lame? Is it because you can't do them? :)
daviethedrummer 3 years ago
are you kidding me? I learned those when I had played the drums for about two hours. It doesent take any skill at all to do them. pisses me off so bad to see those rolls, specially from drummers who are considered "good"
Flatvia 3 years ago
It took you two whole hours to learn RRLL?
daviethedrummer 3 years ago
no, after two hours of playing the drums, not practising it
Flatvia 3 years ago
YES PLEASE...
PeeHoleMcGee 3 years ago
talented musicians but i fucking hate this shit so fucking much. fuck all yall
MyIndianHair 3 years ago
Drummer very good but looks like he is practicing in his shed, guitar and bass dont excite like this kind of jazz should.
Elevator music.
aw19g 3 years ago
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Slow, simple and Rhythmic.
A good job for the genre but any professional drummer knows this is fairly easy stuff.
DaRecka 3 years ago
hahaha slow simple and rhythmic...funny i take it your not a professional drummer just TRY to flow the triplets and fills like he does....
agovitaMUSICA 3 years ago
I know professional drummers and its simple compared to what i see my friends play. therefore i said 'good job for the genre'
DaRecka 3 years ago
this shit is kids stuff... I'm no jazz drummer but I know how easy this is
Flatvia 3 years ago
you have bad ears. or you just don't know what you're talking about
frankbombs 3 years ago
hahaha hilarious
UFFcontainer 3 years ago
love the ending
RockDrummer72 3 years ago
is that guitar an LP double cut?
roydied15 3 years ago
and they say white men dont have rhythm....HA!
buttlord123 3 years ago 4
now this is som up tempo jazz porn!
Olav86 3 years ago
Could it be called jazzo?
andhemills 3 years ago
That little fucker is gettin it.
ruleoforder 3 years ago
Dude...nobody needs your stupid comments , sheep.
freshramses 3 years ago
this is beast, he drives it the whole time
drummerdude3214 3 years ago 2
nice..i can't do consist and smooth like that yet. need a lot of time practice to make it...trully inspired me.
menordrum 3 years ago
True Inspiration!!!!!!!!!!
MoogSound 3 years ago
unbelieveble how soft and easy that sounds... double time at ~165 BPM!!!! P. Erskine is freakin insane
KishuSupport 3 years ago
That cymbal he starts on sounds so good
Jadyellow8 3 years ago 3
definitely, he starts on a zildjian k dry, not sure exact size but sounds amazing.
mightyhud123 3 years ago
he has such a great jazz touch. Of course! he's peter erskine
tenormadness126 3 years ago
I love how the title of the tune is "fast jazz tune." Great stuff
elguapo91 3 years ago
this is so amazing... peter plays his stuff so godlike. there is no fault, always the perfect time and interensting ideas in his playing... he's definitely one of the best jazz drummers ever.
cgDrums91 3 years ago
ERSKINE IS GOD
gerardrum20 4 years ago 2
ownage
Jabberwockee 4 years ago
Wonderful... He hits his toms and snare with just the right touch and his K custom Zildjians really cut and sound amazing!
ZildjianDrummer244 4 years ago
Great tune! Is it Marc Johnson on bass?
57anthony 4 years ago
yes, and john abercrombie on guitar.
kevinm4435 4 years ago
thanks kevinm4435!! john abercrombie i figured out but the bass player i wasn't sure about.
57anthony 4 years ago
if you like this, definitely check out marc j's group bass desires, which features bill frisell and john scofield as well as erskine!
kevinm4435 4 years ago
thanks kevin! yeah got that one, time to listen to that record again.
57anthony 4 years ago
I love his real light touch on the toms especially how he hardly moves his arms and just barely touches the drums and does a few quick notes here and there.
flammaster 4 years ago
Erskine and John Abercrombie...damn good!
PraxisScream 4 years ago
THE RIDE TECHNIQUE CAN SEND EVERY CONTEMPORARY DRUMMER BACK TO BED! Doe's anyone know what a cymble and stick do??????????????????
spaun123 4 years ago
i know what you mean.
you listened charlie mingus "ah um" ( i think)
the drummer on there knows who to set an amazingly quick groove
that fits in nice with the music...
DrummerInExile 4 years ago
Peter. this is Stan. Stan Kenton I.d like you to meet my friend Peter. Amazing..
rbtmumm 4 years ago
i love his drummin'
federicodrums 4 years ago
Superb. Three masters, althought I'm not pretty excited by their ECM records with this trio. Where is from this one? Is there a DVD?
Alino17 5 years ago
yes there is a dvd from hudson music:
live at jazz baltica
the peter erskine trio
moresco63 4 years ago
This is a great video but it's not the live at jazz baltica dvd.
cearleywine 4 years ago
ah ... all the things you are ... great stuff .... fun moment at 1:15!
GunterStoelting 5 years ago