@MystryBox You don't know a damn thing about me. Don't bother pretending that much when you can't even get out of a ticket. My grandmother, a 60 year old woman, has never been stopped, let alone given a ticket.
So I say again, don't break the law and don't be an asshole. you seem to be incapable of both.
@MystryBox First off, that was a movie reference. Second, your little mind games only work sometimes, there is no sure way to get out of a ticket. So, my point still stands. I may only be 20, but after 4 years of driving, I still have a clean record because I don't break any laws. Random stops can happen, but if you aren't a dick or playing mind games, you get to go on with your life fairly quickly.
Luvs ya :).. aweseome tips.. It's been 5 yrs since been pulled over, but I was scared out of my pants. Couldn't even cry.. They gave me no break.. uggh.. Give me more hints.. Contact me, I'm sure you know how.. lol :)
i was do 135 on pun turnpike when i got pulled over near pittsburgh.. (in contruction).. he asked why i was doble the speedlimit and i straight told him" .. i am from NJ and it was a six hour drive here and i figured 2double the speed half the time.. " .. he saw y gf and i and then asked how i got that idea.. i said "highschool math" ,, then he saw my shirt (it was cheerleading") isat there for 2 hours talking to him about his daughter and cheer .. but NO TICKET :D
Absolutely admit guilt ALWAYS. That is a part of the honesty. I told a cop (who had no way of knowing how fast I was going) that I was going somewhere between 5-10 over and that I saw him well ahead of time... then I told him exactly why I didn't slow down.
@jimzamerski if you can get that to work for you, do it. It never worked for me. I could buddy up to a cop and he'd just smile as he gave me a ticket. Now I be professional and respectful while letting him be in charge, but I do not admit guilt or say anything about my side I don't have to. The side of the road is not the place to determine guilt--the courtroom is for that if it comes to it.
You work that hard to get out of a ticket? I lie, or tell jokes, or be attentive. I don't pretend that I'm smarter than a cop and think I can confuse him at his own job. And I certainly DON'T ask for warnings. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
@MystryBox A lot of cops just like an ego boost, legit, they don't want to hear peoples excuses. It's funny, but I give less tickets to those that just admit what they did, Do you know why I pulled you over? O I blew through that fucking stop sign. That's correct, don't do it again, have a nice day.
@onthedocktechnology My video doesn't suggest giving any excuses, nor to cop an attitude. Admitting guilt doesn't work for me, I've tried it (and you're not always guilty either!). The only time I've got a warning is to do what I describe in the video. Be respectful, don't make excuses, don't admit guilt. This has the best chance of working in my opinion in all cases--even when you're not guilty.
all my tickets were pretty obvious why i got them. first ticket was failure to maintain control. i did i took the farm drive into the field rather than smoke a deer in a 45 mph curve. second and third (yes both at the same time) was trying to deal with a drunk kid in my back seat (being a decent person and taking them home so they didnt drive) i was distracted and ran a stop sign and got hit. $750 no insurance fine (dazed n handed over an outdated card), and $400 failure to obey stop sign.
Ok... Do everything he says... but.... the exact opposite!! there ya go! If you do anything this guys says, you are going to piss the cop off by being a smart ass. haha There ya go!
The "not admitting guilt" part would make ME suspicious tbh... that would have to be done really well not to have a negative effect och the cop's perception of you...
Oh, and I'll repeat my disclaimer from earlier: never admit guilt if you are facing something that could get you arrested. It is not worth the gamble of going to jail in the hopes of getting off scot-free.
I understand my rights quite well; I simply don't see the point in evading questions if you are not willing to expend the sizable amount of time or money needed to go to court and win a traffic case of your word vs. a cop.
If he really did catch you speeding, the ONLY factor you should worry about is generating his leniency. If the cops in your area can catch you in the act but be dissuaded from citing you if you just evade their questions... well, they aren't like any cops I've ever met.
To reemphasize, my point is not that your particularly strategy can't work; it's more that you are being inconsistent in your advice. If you REALLY wanted to be "open and honest," you'd simply say "Officer, I would like to observe my right not to incriminate myself." But we all know how that would turn out.
I'm simply not a believer that trying to evade a cop's questions is a good strategy for generating leniency.
@redvenomweb thanks for your opinion. And yes you could say exactly what you suggest and it would turn out just fine if you did it right. I don't think it's a good choice because it implies some legal understanding most people don't have (nor do most cops).
@redvenomweb thanks for your opinion. And yes you could say exactly what you suggest and it would turn out just fine if you did it right. I don't think it's a good choice because it implies some legal understanding most people don't have (nor do most cops).
MystryBox, I disagree with one of your recommendations: "don't admit guilt." When pulled over, you should make a decision: do you want to try to get out of this ticket now, or do you intend to fight it in court? Playing the game of turning the questions back on him, in my experience, doesn't necessarily help in getting you out of the ticket. (Obviously, you should never admit guilt for anything that would result in an arrest.)
@redvenomweb my opinion is if you ever admit guilt it won't get you out of a ticket, it will just make sure you get a ticket and a ticket that cannot be challenged in court either as the officer will use your admission against you. Don't admit guilt, period. It's not the time for determining guilt and the officer knows it.
@MystryBox Again, in my experience, admitting guilt (without making excuses!) works better than trying to answer questions with questions. Even in your video, you stress the importance of letting the officer maintain control... but then you advocate trying to confuse him?
My point is that you should immediately decide whether you intend to take your own time and fight this in court. If not, you should prioritize officer comfort (not confusion and doubletalk) over legal jockeying.
@redvenomweb I don't advocate confusing the officer, I advocate making open ended comments that he gets to fill in with his own mental state. If that confuses him it's not necessarily a negative.
And I don't suggest double talk, I suggest asking about and accepting the officers' view of events rather than supplying your own.
@MystryBox Ultimately, it boils down to this: I don't see answering a question with a question as something that is likely to be productive, particularly when dealing with someone who (as you pointed out) spends a large portion of his day dealing with people who are trying to deceive him. You don't need detective training to know that answering a question with a question is an evasion tactic.
If it works for you, great. I have found the more direct, less "lawyerly" approach to work for me.
@redvenomweb you're getting a ticket, not being productive. And yes it's evasion. You have no requirement to incriminate yourself and the cop knows that.
@MystryBox Again, I'm not recommending it based on theory; I'm recommending it because it has worked. And I continue to be amazed by you insisting that it is important to make the officer feel in control at the same time you are obviously trying to deceive him.
Let me be clear here: I am talking about situations in which YOU ACTUALLY BROKE THE LAW. If he pulled you over because of that, what, exactly, do you think your bluff is accomplishing? He still has his evidence against you either way.
@redvenomweb if you think I'm trying to deceive the officer you didn't understand the video and don't listen very well. That is precisely what I tell you NOT to do. In no case should you deceive the officer, however also in no case should you admit guilt, regardless if you are actually guilty. The side of the road is not the place guilt is decided, it is a court room. Your right is to not incriminate yourself, you can give up that right if you want, but expect nothing good to come from that.
@MystryBox You advise to be open and honest. You emphasize that you should not lie, even about trivial things. Yet at 3:43 your response to the officer's statement of your speed on radar is, "OK, I don't know anything about radar." First of all, that's literally a lie (deception for purposes of evading a direct response). Second, how is that any better than saying "No, I don't know why you pulled me over," which you expressly advised against earlier?
@redvenomweb no it's not a lie, I don't know anything about radar. There is some technology say something about me and my guilt and I know nothing about it to deny nor agree with it. It's not the place to discuss such things by the side of the road anyway. It's clear you're not understanding the video, my intent with the video, your rights as a citizen or really much else. But I can't do anything about that. Best to you.
@Oobie3 no, you do not admit guilt. You focus on what the officer saw and avoid admitting what you did or didn't do. The side of the road is not a court room, it is not the place for that.
"Few people understand the psychology of dealing with a highway traffic cop. Your normal speeder with immediately panic and pull over to the side, this is wrong, it arises contempt in the cop heart, make the bastard chase you, he will follow."
BTW, when I said "something that legally it coulda been an arrest" I'm talking about 1 incident where I am doing about 105 on a Sunday morning down the interstate to Atlanta. Not realizing My radar/laser detector wasn't on (short in the outlet) I was pulled over. He ticketed Me for only 90mph in a 75 (nice of him!). Which I later had dismissed in court ($50 court fee, with nothing on My record). :-) Lesson: BE FRIENDLY & CALM. COOPERATE (playing dumb helps sometimes too). Good video!
When I'd run My mouth alot, or be a b!tch to the cop, I always got a ticket no matter what the reason they pulled Me over...they'd INVENT things I'd have to go through unbelievable difficulty fighting in court.
Then again, when I've been pulled over, remained calm, cooperative, defeated mood almost (but without ever admitting I did something wrong) but said something moderately kindly towards them, I got off or I was given a small citation for something that legally it coulda been an arrest.
If you have a pretty significant driving infraction, boardering on the verge of wreckless driving, unless the person is rushing to the hospital, or there is a serious situation that they're trying to get to, they won't be getting off. You're right about the most major point though, and that is attitude. Being respectful and curtious is the best thing someone can do. Officers want to be treated the same as anyone else, and a little respect will go a LONG way.
This might work "sometimes", however, I used to be a Military Police officer, and have written my fair share of tickets. Admitting guilt for a traffic infraction doesn't put you at a disadvantage. If I pulled someone over who was avoiding my questions, I would consider them guilty. If, on the other hand, it was a minor traffic infraction, and the person was honest, and showed genuine regret, I would usually let them off with a warning (also depending on their attitude toward me).
@nick42701 admitting guilt with genuine regret has never got me anything but a ticket.
Also note that you can show genuine regret without admitting guilt, you just phrase everything through the officer's claim of what happened as the video suggests (e.g. "If you saw me speeding I'm very sorry about that--I had no intention of causing you to spend your time pulling me over and it won't happen again" or something similar).
But my main point is, not admitting your guilt doesn't put you at a disadvantage. There's a difference between commiting a crime and an infraction. An officer isn't trying to get you to admit your guilt to speeding. Those questions are designed to catch suspects who are under the influence of alcohol, or some other narcotic. When you sign a ticket, you're not admitting guilt. You're signing it as a promisary note to show up in court.
Once in court, that's where you admit guilt or choose to dispute it. Police officers are no different than you or me. They're out there to do a job, and it's their discretion to write tickets or not. But hey, if this works for you, then be my guest, but trust me when I say, there are some police officers that have little to no margin for warnings, and short of hypnotizing the officer, that particular one will probably ticket you. Insiteful info on your part tho.
also avoid opening the window more than a crack so that it will be harder for him to "smell something" which would give him probable cause to search the vehicle
I was pulled over & asked for insurance, I could not find it (uninsured) then he asked if I had any insurance at all. I said no, is that the right thing to do?
@MystryBox Live in a small town 4 doors down from a sheriff (Number 1) Have a reasonable excuse (Got pulled over for illgal lane change but the cop didn't see the kid I swerved to avoid until after I pointed it out) and number 3 Pretty much exactly what you said here. In truth I was only pulled over once where I didn't have a extraordinary factor helping me out.
@MystryBox BTW Just do dispell the amount of rumors I hear about it, the second and third time I had a gun in the car (I have a permit for it) and still didn't get a ticket. So people just because you have a weapon doesn't mean you are going to get a ticket! That said TELL THE OFFICER about it, DON'T SHOW HIM! If he/she sees you grabbing for a weapon they are in full right to shoot you.
If the cop says he caught you on a radar gun, ask to see the calibration certificate. If he doesn't have it, he can't issue you a ticket as there's no way to guarantee the reading on the radar gun was accurate.
my dad lied to a cop cuz theres a wine in the car...the officer said is there a beer or a wine in the car? my said said no no and he went back to his car my dad pulled out his driver licence but then the police said ok he drove hella fast away i think he got another business xD
On December 24,2006 at 8 o'clock in the morning, a young 14 year old boy by the name of Scott Jackson was found dead.Doctors couldn't come up with the cause of his death.His mother checked his emails to see if she could figure out what happened.Turns out he was still signed into myspace.She found he had gone to sleep after he read and didn't repost a chain letter.if you don't repost this to 6 videos a girl with no face will kill you tonight. sorry don't wanna die
Agreed in the main. Attitude is very important and a maintaining calm disposition will ensure a more interactive and productive exchange. However, asking for a warning implies that although you haven't admitted anything , you are at the behest of the Officer. NOT GOOD,Equality, would be a better bargaining ground and is likely to achieve a more positive outcome. Officers,at the end of the day are programmed NOT to engage fully their human traits and so the outcome is likely to be pre-determined.
@MystryBox : We'll I guess it depends what your interpretation of "Equal" is. It may be different from mine and it also may be different from that of any Officer that you interact with. Rather than trying to or hoping to "CONFUSE" an officer I am simply suggesting that where possible a confident and non- subservient demeanour is employed. Its a better starting point in my view that conceding any interpretation of Equality.
In addition, if a ticket is still forthcoming, Id rather talk to the organ grinder than the monkey. Cops are revenue collection agents and will likely, as already stated, be programmed to negate their human traits and so reason, sympathy and humility are redundant. You might get the odd one or two that have got through the net, but in the main, the police are intensively conditioned. They are also conditioned to take orders and so a show of "authority" is better received than subservience
didn't work cop told me "do you know why i pulled you over" and i said "do you know why you pulled me over"and he started saying "stop resisting arrest" and sadly he beat the shit out of me now i am in prison for getting my ass kicked
@TheBeeroach my condolences on your video comprehension problems. May I suggest you stick to the videos with less thought required.... the booty shaking videos are always a good choice.
As I don't live in the U.S. do you think this still is a viable way to approach a similar situation in a different country? I mean, do you think police officers react the same way, have the same mind set et cetera, regardless in which region of the world it happens?
@U8berGTI I present this video only as a result of my study and limited experience. It has worked for me in the past with a perhaps 30% success rate (which is way better than the 0% rate I used to have), but my limited experience is hardly statistically significant. I invite people to take what info they might find useful from my video as they wish and better yet if they've found something that works, share it with us.
I found a different way to handle this, simply cancel your driver's license and travel instead of driving (there is a legal difference). When you are traveling the CVC does not apply (see CVC section 21052 for who the CVC applies to) CVC = CA Vehicle Code. You can also confirm this is legal by looking up "Charlie Sprinkle" - The game changer is when a cop pulls you over and asks if you were speeding etc, you just as the cop "have you made the legal determination that I am driving?"
@coreyeib I HIGHLY recommend you don't do that or suggest anyone else do that. Cops usually don't know or care about such esoteric legal tricks and if they do you'll be in even bigger trouble as they'll resent your trying such a maneuver.
If you want to waste your time trying to convince a judge of such arguments that would be a better place to do it... and even then you're probably wasting your time and potentially getting yourself into a mess.
@MystryBox Your right, get it wrong and you will lose a lot more than just a little traffic ticket. I have spent the time researching and feel completely confident with what others have done. It has been quite some time since I rescinded my driver's license, and absolutely no trouble. PM me and I'll send you a link to the audio from my last traffic stop, you might find the first few minutes a bit funny and interesting as there are clear legal issues raised by my questions to the officer.
@coreyeib thanks but I'm really not interested in that. I've spent some time researching it already and all it does is get most the people that try it into trouble.
@MystryBox So let me ask you a question, what do you do if the officer still writes the ticket, and you sign a promise to appear (you should also look up the legal definition of 'appear' as well, it is important)? Do you have any strategies to win the ticket beyond confusing the officer on the side of the road?
@coreyeib no, I don't have any I would recommend. And I'm not interested in the techniques you're talking about. I've spent more than a little time on those and all they do is get you in trouble and/or waste your time.
@MystryBox Ah, but for the people who get it right, they don't have any trouble. Check out Charlie Sprinkle on google. 35 years no license. He took on Ronald Reagan when he was Gov here in CA, and won. There are a lot of people without licenses now, and there is plenty of information on how to do it right, just need to know where to look. Thanks for your postings, I enjoyed your vids...
Ah you just did incrimadate your self with the freeway one When you said i have you on radara going 55 in a 35 you said OK i dont know anything about radar you saying ok is admiting that you wear going that fast
I've just listened to this video and heavily disagree with your approach. You are correct about self incrimination however, you are almost always being recorded on a dashboard mounted camera on the cop car, so there is enough evidence to give you a ticket ALWAYS. (Without you saying a word)
@BALSACTHEWARRIOR I never said to deny anything. Don't deny. Avoid. You have a constitutional right not to incriminate yourself and the cops know it. You just have to not be a smart ass about it.
@MystryBox Well Im just trying to say that around here the examples you gave would be taken as smart assy. Just sayin. But the wrest was good advice. Just giving my opinion. I believe a better tactic would be to play ignorant lol "Do you know why I pulled you over?" "No sir I dont." Well I got you on my radar doing 70 in a 30.." "Well are you sure it wasnt another driver?" "It was you.." Well I wasnt aware (:"
@BALSACTHEWARRIOR I've tried that sort of thing and it doesn't work out well. If you act like it wasn't you the officer thinks you're denying it and will hammer you. If you say you weren't aware the officer jumps on you for admitting you weren't paying attention. There simply is no way to answer the questions you will be asked... In my opinion you have to avoid the questions without being a smart ass... and the way I do it is to turn everything around asking the officer his view.
But I've gotten out of my past 4 tickets through self incrimination and sincere apology and understanding of my mistake. The officer said "Do you know why I pulled you over" I replied "Yes , I am sorry it was really stupid of me." If you did something wrong, and the cop wants to give you a ticket ,HE WILL, and trying any of your "confusing tactics" would only anger the cop and (In NYC where I live) would cause the cop to throw you out of your vehicle and slam you against your hood GOODJOB
You know, this video is even more stupid, more useless, and believe it or not, more annoying than 'Friday'.
LokisIsMYHomie 2 weeks ago
@LokisIsMYHomie thanks. I try.
MystryBox 2 weeks ago
Yay, spam!
someonep93 1 month ago
@MystryBox You don't know a damn thing about me. Don't bother pretending that much when you can't even get out of a ticket. My grandmother, a 60 year old woman, has never been stopped, let alone given a ticket.
So I say again, don't break the law and don't be an asshole. you seem to be incapable of both.
JasonMaraksTaboo 2 months ago
@JasonMaraksTaboo I don't need to know anything about you to tell you that your statements are junk based on my own experience. Grow up, geez.
MystryBox 2 months ago
@MystryBox Or, never break the law and never need to worry about it.
I rather like that option. :D
JasonMaraksTaboo 2 months ago
@JasonMaraksTaboo like I said before, my first ticket I wasn't breaking the law. You're still young and idealistic. You haven't a clue.
MystryBox 2 months ago
@JasonMaraksTaboo Not all laws are just, and not all should be obeyed.
Antiks72 1 month ago
@MystryBox First off, that was a movie reference. Second, your little mind games only work sometimes, there is no sure way to get out of a ticket. So, my point still stands. I may only be 20, but after 4 years of driving, I still have a clean record because I don't break any laws. Random stops can happen, but if you aren't a dick or playing mind games, you get to go on with your life fairly quickly.
JasonMaraksTaboo 2 months ago
@JasonMaraksTaboo come back after you get your first ticket and have a bit more life experience.
MystryBox 2 months ago
You know how you avoid getting a ticket?
DON'T BREAK THE LAW ASSHOLE!!!!
*hangs up the phone*
JasonMaraksTaboo 3 months ago
@JasonMaraksTaboo the first ticket I ever got, the one that got me focused on avoiding tickets, I WASN'T breaking the law asshole.
MystryBox 3 months ago
Luvs ya :).. aweseome tips.. It's been 5 yrs since been pulled over, but I was scared out of my pants. Couldn't even cry.. They gave me no break.. uggh.. Give me more hints.. Contact me, I'm sure you know how.. lol :)
allnatural71 3 months ago
How to talk your way out of a ticket
Step 1.
Dont get a FUCKING TICKET you fucking IDIOT
PurePwnageChris 4 months ago
i was do 135 on pun turnpike when i got pulled over near pittsburgh.. (in contruction).. he asked why i was doble the speedlimit and i straight told him" .. i am from NJ and it was a six hour drive here and i figured 2double the speed half the time.. " .. he saw y gf and i and then asked how i got that idea.. i said "highschool math" ,, then he saw my shirt (it was cheerleading") isat there for 2 hours talking to him about his daughter and cheer .. but NO TICKET :D
tntkid93 4 months ago
@tntkid93 on PENN turnpike
tntkid93 4 months ago
Absolutely admit guilt ALWAYS. That is a part of the honesty. I told a cop (who had no way of knowing how fast I was going) that I was going somewhere between 5-10 over and that I saw him well ahead of time... then I told him exactly why I didn't slow down.
"I just didn't think you would mind."
He laughed out loud and started B.S.ing with me.
jimzamerski 4 months ago
@jimzamerski if you can get that to work for you, do it. It never worked for me. I could buddy up to a cop and he'd just smile as he gave me a ticket. Now I be professional and respectful while letting him be in charge, but I do not admit guilt or say anything about my side I don't have to. The side of the road is not the place to determine guilt--the courtroom is for that if it comes to it.
MystryBox 4 months ago
You work that hard to get out of a ticket? I lie, or tell jokes, or be attentive. I don't pretend that I'm smarter than a cop and think I can confuse him at his own job. And I certainly DON'T ask for warnings. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
commentception 4 months ago
ur so high
thesanti862 4 months ago
I always tell them the truth.
Once i got pulled over for speeding in my frinds 350z and the officer asked me why i was speeding i told him i was checking out the car.
He told me dont be a fucking dumbass and try to speed in a car your not familiar with and let me go .
Once i told them i was speeding because there were no cars in front of me he said ok but i should know better since i lived in berkeley and let me go.
Master8laster 4 months ago
@Master8laster thanks for sharing.
MystryBox 4 months ago
I'm a cop and I'd give you a ticket fag.
onthedocktechnology 4 months ago
@onthedocktechnology have a doughnut and relax :)
MystryBox 4 months ago
@MystryBox A lot of cops just like an ego boost, legit, they don't want to hear peoples excuses. It's funny, but I give less tickets to those that just admit what they did, Do you know why I pulled you over? O I blew through that fucking stop sign. That's correct, don't do it again, have a nice day.
onthedocktechnology 4 months ago
@onthedocktechnology My video doesn't suggest giving any excuses, nor to cop an attitude. Admitting guilt doesn't work for me, I've tried it (and you're not always guilty either!). The only time I've got a warning is to do what I describe in the video. Be respectful, don't make excuses, don't admit guilt. This has the best chance of working in my opinion in all cases--even when you're not guilty.
MystryBox 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@MystryBox lol you fail.
onthedocktechnology 4 months ago
Lul, give him your doughnuts, he will call it good
Sykopath96 4 months ago
SPAM IN THE BACK
justbass12 4 months ago
all my tickets were pretty obvious why i got them. first ticket was failure to maintain control. i did i took the farm drive into the field rather than smoke a deer in a 45 mph curve. second and third (yes both at the same time) was trying to deal with a drunk kid in my back seat (being a decent person and taking them home so they didnt drive) i was distracted and ran a stop sign and got hit. $750 no insurance fine (dazed n handed over an outdated card), and $400 failure to obey stop sign.
JustinHansen6669 4 months ago
Ok... Do everything he says... but.... the exact opposite!! there ya go! If you do anything this guys says, you are going to piss the cop off by being a smart ass. haha There ya go!
middz15 5 months ago
why is there spam on your shelf?
muffinman224 5 months ago
20 cops watched this
ledzepcamaro67 5 months ago
@ledzepcamaro67 lol! Actually a cop or two have said more or less positive things about the video.
MystryBox 5 months ago
@MystryBox haha well thats because its all true. people get nervous or try to be cool in front of their friends
ledzepcamaro67 5 months ago
Cops arent that smart good video tho
TheOwnageful 5 months ago
oh give the cop some weed and a donut =)
MrJuggaloguy 5 months ago
The "not admitting guilt" part would make ME suspicious tbh... that would have to be done really well not to have a negative effect och the cop's perception of you...
miniabbe 5 months ago
Gee, thanks for pointing out the obvious. Just be respectful and honest and the police will take it from there...period.
MrWyoming67 5 months ago
@MrWyoming67 spoken like either a guy who gets tickets, or a cop who doesn't have to worry about it.
MystryBox 5 months ago
@MystryBox this shows your level of perception because I am not a cop, nor have I had a ticket in over 20 years.
MrWyoming67 5 months ago
@MrWyoming67 well next time you're pulled over for a ticket, let us know how it went for you.
MystryBox 5 months ago
Oh, and I'll repeat my disclaimer from earlier: never admit guilt if you are facing something that could get you arrested. It is not worth the gamble of going to jail in the hopes of getting off scot-free.
redvenomweb 5 months ago
@redvenomweb and the same advice goes for any legal interaction with the police, including a traffic infraction.
MystryBox 5 months ago
@MystryBox Thanks for the opinion; I have a different view.
If you want to treat a citation the same as an arrest, that is your prerogative.
redvenomweb 5 months ago
@redvenomweb I don't recommend treating a citation the same as an arrest. In the event of an arrest you stay silent, period.
MystryBox 5 months ago
I understand my rights quite well; I simply don't see the point in evading questions if you are not willing to expend the sizable amount of time or money needed to go to court and win a traffic case of your word vs. a cop.
If he really did catch you speeding, the ONLY factor you should worry about is generating his leniency. If the cops in your area can catch you in the act but be dissuaded from citing you if you just evade their questions... well, they aren't like any cops I've ever met.
redvenomweb 5 months ago
@redvenomweb again, thanks for your opinion. I have a different one.
MystryBox 5 months ago
@redvenomweb again, thanks for your opinion. I have a different one.
MystryBox 5 months ago
@redvenomweb again, thanks for your opinion. I have a different one.
MystryBox 5 months ago
@redvenomweb again, thanks for your opinion. I have a different one.
MystryBox 5 months ago
@redvenomweb again, thanks for your opinion. I have a different one.
MystryBox 5 months ago
@redvenomweb again, thanks for your opinion. I have a different one.
MystryBox 5 months ago
@redvenomweb again, thanks for your opinion. I have a different one.
MystryBox 5 months ago
@redvenomweb again, thanks for your opinion. I have a different one.
MystryBox 5 months ago
@redvenomweb again, thanks for your opinion. I have a different one.
MystryBox 5 months ago
@redvenomweb again, thanks for your opinion. I have a different one.
MystryBox 5 months ago
@redvenomweb thanks for the opinion, I have a different view.
MystryBox 5 months ago
To reemphasize, my point is not that your particularly strategy can't work; it's more that you are being inconsistent in your advice. If you REALLY wanted to be "open and honest," you'd simply say "Officer, I would like to observe my right not to incriminate myself." But we all know how that would turn out.
I'm simply not a believer that trying to evade a cop's questions is a good strategy for generating leniency.
redvenomweb 5 months ago
@redvenomweb thanks for your opinion. And yes you could say exactly what you suggest and it would turn out just fine if you did it right. I don't think it's a good choice because it implies some legal understanding most people don't have (nor do most cops).
MystryBox 5 months ago
@redvenomweb thanks for your opinion. And yes you could say exactly what you suggest and it would turn out just fine if you did it right. I don't think it's a good choice because it implies some legal understanding most people don't have (nor do most cops).
MystryBox 5 months ago
MystryBox, I disagree with one of your recommendations: "don't admit guilt." When pulled over, you should make a decision: do you want to try to get out of this ticket now, or do you intend to fight it in court? Playing the game of turning the questions back on him, in my experience, doesn't necessarily help in getting you out of the ticket. (Obviously, you should never admit guilt for anything that would result in an arrest.)
I agree with the rest of your advice, though.
redvenomweb 5 months ago
@redvenomweb my opinion is if you ever admit guilt it won't get you out of a ticket, it will just make sure you get a ticket and a ticket that cannot be challenged in court either as the officer will use your admission against you. Don't admit guilt, period. It's not the time for determining guilt and the officer knows it.
MystryBox 5 months ago
@MystryBox Again, in my experience, admitting guilt (without making excuses!) works better than trying to answer questions with questions. Even in your video, you stress the importance of letting the officer maintain control... but then you advocate trying to confuse him?
My point is that you should immediately decide whether you intend to take your own time and fight this in court. If not, you should prioritize officer comfort (not confusion and doubletalk) over legal jockeying.
redvenomweb 5 months ago
@redvenomweb I don't advocate confusing the officer, I advocate making open ended comments that he gets to fill in with his own mental state. If that confuses him it's not necessarily a negative.
And I don't suggest double talk, I suggest asking about and accepting the officers' view of events rather than supplying your own.
MystryBox 5 months ago
@MystryBox Ultimately, it boils down to this: I don't see answering a question with a question as something that is likely to be productive, particularly when dealing with someone who (as you pointed out) spends a large portion of his day dealing with people who are trying to deceive him. You don't need detective training to know that answering a question with a question is an evasion tactic.
If it works for you, great. I have found the more direct, less "lawyerly" approach to work for me.
redvenomweb 5 months ago
@redvenomweb you're getting a ticket, not being productive. And yes it's evasion. You have no requirement to incriminate yourself and the cop knows that.
MystryBox 5 months ago
@MystryBox Again, I'm not recommending it based on theory; I'm recommending it because it has worked. And I continue to be amazed by you insisting that it is important to make the officer feel in control at the same time you are obviously trying to deceive him.
Let me be clear here: I am talking about situations in which YOU ACTUALLY BROKE THE LAW. If he pulled you over because of that, what, exactly, do you think your bluff is accomplishing? He still has his evidence against you either way.
redvenomweb 5 months ago
@redvenomweb if you think I'm trying to deceive the officer you didn't understand the video and don't listen very well. That is precisely what I tell you NOT to do. In no case should you deceive the officer, however also in no case should you admit guilt, regardless if you are actually guilty. The side of the road is not the place guilt is decided, it is a court room. Your right is to not incriminate yourself, you can give up that right if you want, but expect nothing good to come from that.
MystryBox 5 months ago
@MystryBox You advise to be open and honest. You emphasize that you should not lie, even about trivial things. Yet at 3:43 your response to the officer's statement of your speed on radar is, "OK, I don't know anything about radar." First of all, that's literally a lie (deception for purposes of evading a direct response). Second, how is that any better than saying "No, I don't know why you pulled me over," which you expressly advised against earlier?
redvenomweb 5 months ago
@redvenomweb no it's not a lie, I don't know anything about radar. There is some technology say something about me and my guilt and I know nothing about it to deny nor agree with it. It's not the place to discuss such things by the side of the road anyway. It's clear you're not understanding the video, my intent with the video, your rights as a citizen or really much else. But I can't do anything about that. Best to you.
MystryBox 5 months ago
@MystryBox hang on, by asking for a morning are you or are you not admitting c=some form of guilt
Oobie3 5 months ago
@Oobie3 no, you do not admit guilt. You focus on what the officer saw and avoid admitting what you did or didn't do. The side of the road is not a court room, it is not the place for that.
MystryBox 5 months ago
"Few people understand the psychology of dealing with a highway traffic cop. Your normal speeder with immediately panic and pull over to the side, this is wrong, it arises contempt in the cop heart, make the bastard chase you, he will follow."
123backinyerface 5 months ago
well this is not an option if ur hispanic or black.....
crazylatinomex 6 months ago
Why is there always a can of spam behind you?? haha XD
STRETCHEDxDEATH 6 months ago
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lyrikz1418 6 months ago
my dad didnt even need to talk when he told stories of when he was my age getting speeding tickets, he wore his ARMY jacket.
RYDERkN 6 months ago
Dude, someone's spamming your bookshelf.
Davin404 6 months ago
lol who else saw the random can of spam?
modernsk8er 6 months ago
BTW, when I said "something that legally it coulda been an arrest" I'm talking about 1 incident where I am doing about 105 on a Sunday morning down the interstate to Atlanta. Not realizing My radar/laser detector wasn't on (short in the outlet) I was pulled over. He ticketed Me for only 90mph in a 75 (nice of him!). Which I later had dismissed in court ($50 court fee, with nothing on My record). :-) Lesson: BE FRIENDLY & CALM. COOPERATE (playing dumb helps sometimes too). Good video!
glamkitten24 6 months ago
When I'd run My mouth alot, or be a b!tch to the cop, I always got a ticket no matter what the reason they pulled Me over...they'd INVENT things I'd have to go through unbelievable difficulty fighting in court.
Then again, when I've been pulled over, remained calm, cooperative, defeated mood almost (but without ever admitting I did something wrong) but said something moderately kindly towards them, I got off or I was given a small citation for something that legally it coulda been an arrest.
glamkitten24 7 months ago
@glamkitten24 that's why I say attitude is critical.
MystryBox 7 months ago
PATCHED!
bloodshot9805 7 months ago
Whats up with the can of spam
TheSunshinemeadow 7 months ago 9
one way that works to is being white, yup works all the time.And another way dont break the f in law!!!!!!!
mebitchez09 7 months ago
@mebitchez09 yes, being white helps. So do that if you can.
MystryBox 7 months ago 21
@MystryBox That was hilarious!
1775novten 5 months ago
Anyone else notice the epic can of spam in the background? LOL
foxtrotalpha94 7 months ago
When NLP is going to be common knowledge.. .. shit
cphstreet 7 months ago
SPAM!!!!! (in the background)
MrBrandonPants1 7 months ago
The can of Spam behind MystryBox's head is proof of Jesus.
pupsenok 8 months ago
If you have a pretty significant driving infraction, boardering on the verge of wreckless driving, unless the person is rushing to the hospital, or there is a serious situation that they're trying to get to, they won't be getting off. You're right about the most major point though, and that is attitude. Being respectful and curtious is the best thing someone can do. Officers want to be treated the same as anyone else, and a little respect will go a LONG way.
nick42701 8 months ago
This might work "sometimes", however, I used to be a Military Police officer, and have written my fair share of tickets. Admitting guilt for a traffic infraction doesn't put you at a disadvantage. If I pulled someone over who was avoiding my questions, I would consider them guilty. If, on the other hand, it was a minor traffic infraction, and the person was honest, and showed genuine regret, I would usually let them off with a warning (also depending on their attitude toward me).
nick42701 8 months ago
@nick42701 admitting guilt with genuine regret has never got me anything but a ticket.
Also note that you can show genuine regret without admitting guilt, you just phrase everything through the officer's claim of what happened as the video suggests (e.g. "If you saw me speeding I'm very sorry about that--I had no intention of causing you to spend your time pulling me over and it won't happen again" or something similar).
MystryBox 8 months ago
@MystryBox
But my main point is, not admitting your guilt doesn't put you at a disadvantage. There's a difference between commiting a crime and an infraction. An officer isn't trying to get you to admit your guilt to speeding. Those questions are designed to catch suspects who are under the influence of alcohol, or some other narcotic. When you sign a ticket, you're not admitting guilt. You're signing it as a promisary note to show up in court.
nick42701 8 months ago
@MystryBox
Once in court, that's where you admit guilt or choose to dispute it. Police officers are no different than you or me. They're out there to do a job, and it's their discretion to write tickets or not. But hey, if this works for you, then be my guest, but trust me when I say, there are some police officers that have little to no margin for warnings, and short of hypnotizing the officer, that particular one will probably ticket you. Insiteful info on your part tho.
nick42701 8 months ago
@nick42701 thanks for your comments.
MystryBox 8 months ago
@MystryBox
By the way, that first line was suppose to read, "But my main point is, ADMITTING guilt doesn't put you at a disadvantage".
nick42701 8 months ago
also avoid opening the window more than a crack so that it will be harder for him to "smell something" which would give him probable cause to search the vehicle
darris321 8 months ago
FAT ASS has spam on shelf!!! xP
JoeySchaefer64 8 months ago
did nobody else notice the can of spam in the background?
huntman592 8 months ago
dumb comments by some, it's good advice if you watch the whole video.
marcjtdc 8 months ago
I was pulled over & asked for insurance, I could not find it (uninsured) then he asked if I had any insurance at all. I said no, is that the right thing to do?
madjimms 9 months ago
Been pulled over 3 times and never got a ticket.
ArodWingfoot 9 months ago
@ArodWingfoot share your technique.
MystryBox 9 months ago
@MystryBox Live in a small town 4 doors down from a sheriff (Number 1) Have a reasonable excuse (Got pulled over for illgal lane change but the cop didn't see the kid I swerved to avoid until after I pointed it out) and number 3 Pretty much exactly what you said here. In truth I was only pulled over once where I didn't have a extraordinary factor helping me out.
ArodWingfoot 9 months ago
@MystryBox BTW Just do dispell the amount of rumors I hear about it, the second and third time I had a gun in the car (I have a permit for it) and still didn't get a ticket. So people just because you have a weapon doesn't mean you are going to get a ticket! That said TELL THE OFFICER about it, DON'T SHOW HIM! If he/she sees you grabbing for a weapon they are in full right to shoot you.
ArodWingfoot 9 months ago
To see this in action, look up "cop versus cyclist" by youtube user: undersurrentspaulo
Brewmaster757 10 months ago
booty shaking videos r geat even the cop will stop kicking ur ass
TheBeeroach 10 months ago
If the cop says he caught you on a radar gun, ask to see the calibration certificate. If he doesn't have it, he can't issue you a ticket as there's no way to guarantee the reading on the radar gun was accurate.
flapjackboy 10 months ago
What if the cop says your parked in an illegal spot, how do you get out of that? Or that your parking ticket has ran out?
tellul8r 10 months ago
@tellul8r same advice. You probably won't get out of it but there's nothing to be gained by admitting guilt or otherwise making mistakes.
MystryBox 10 months ago
my dad lied to a cop cuz theres a wine in the car...the officer said is there a beer or a wine in the car? my said said no no and he went back to his car my dad pulled out his driver licence but then the police said ok he drove hella fast away i think he got another business xD
ucme2l8ter 10 months ago
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punkvictim 10 months ago
I sodomized him with his own nightstick. I didn't give him a warning. I got out of the ticket, lol. (kidding)
snarlingrabiddog5150 10 months ago
hehe pretty good , i'll remember this one.
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Haha, SPAM
plumberleyland 1 year ago
nice SPAM container on the shelf.
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LORDSARUON 1 year ago
stopped watching at 0:03
gregory06 1 year ago
@gregory06 stopped reading your comment at word 2, heh.
MystryBox 1 year ago 6
@MystryBox lol u mad?
gregory06 1 year ago
@gregory06 I screwed up, I watched the first minute.
akmrmike 9 months ago
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lloralleaves 1 year ago
Agreed in the main. Attitude is very important and a maintaining calm disposition will ensure a more interactive and productive exchange. However, asking for a warning implies that although you haven't admitted anything , you are at the behest of the Officer. NOT GOOD,Equality, would be a better bargaining ground and is likely to achieve a more positive outcome. Officers,at the end of the day are programmed NOT to engage fully their human traits and so the outcome is likely to be pre-determined.
Veloce3 1 year ago 2
@Veloce3 I'm not sure what you're suggesting in place of asking for a warning. In my view officers will NEVER see you as an equal.
MystryBox 1 year ago
@MystryBox : We'll I guess it depends what your interpretation of "Equal" is. It may be different from mine and it also may be different from that of any Officer that you interact with. Rather than trying to or hoping to "CONFUSE" an officer I am simply suggesting that where possible a confident and non- subservient demeanour is employed. Its a better starting point in my view that conceding any interpretation of Equality.
Veloce3 1 year ago
In addition, if a ticket is still forthcoming, Id rather talk to the organ grinder than the monkey. Cops are revenue collection agents and will likely, as already stated, be programmed to negate their human traits and so reason, sympathy and humility are redundant. You might get the odd one or two that have got through the net, but in the main, the police are intensively conditioned. They are also conditioned to take orders and so a show of "authority" is better received than subservience
Veloce3 1 year ago
didn't work cop told me "do you know why i pulled you over" and i said "do you know why you pulled me over"and he started saying "stop resisting arrest" and sadly he beat the shit out of me now i am in prison for getting my ass kicked
TheBeeroach 1 year ago
@TheBeeroach my condolences on your video comprehension problems. May I suggest you stick to the videos with less thought required.... the booty shaking videos are always a good choice.
MystryBox 1 year ago 5
@MystryBox I actually prefer soft rock or classical.the booty shaking videos a quite degradable to women not that I give a shit.
TheBeeroach 1 year ago
@TheBeeroach this made me LOL
ReDDeFFectZ 10 months ago
SPAM!!!!!
rubiksmaster78 1 year ago
any1 else see spam on bookcase in back haha thumbs up
robbysaw 1 year ago
i tried it and didn't work lol
pueb3488 1 year ago
@pueb3488 well thanks for the comment. Let us know if you find anything that does work for you.
MystryBox 1 year ago
As I don't live in the U.S. do you think this still is a viable way to approach a similar situation in a different country? I mean, do you think police officers react the same way, have the same mind set et cetera, regardless in which region of the world it happens?
pierreaupeix 1 year ago
@pierreaupeix My only experience is in the US.
MystryBox 1 year ago
@MystryBox I love your stuff. The derren brown explanations are great. :o)
OnBrokenDreams 1 year ago
@OnBrokenDreams thanks for the kind words. Best to you and yours.
MystryBox 1 year ago
Can you please indicate how many times these tactics HAVE WORKED?
Thanks for your video, but, we would like to know these tactics have worked before attempting...
U8berGTI 1 year ago
@U8berGTI I present this video only as a result of my study and limited experience. It has worked for me in the past with a perhaps 30% success rate (which is way better than the 0% rate I used to have), but my limited experience is hardly statistically significant. I invite people to take what info they might find useful from my video as they wish and better yet if they've found something that works, share it with us.
MystryBox 1 year ago
LOL at coreyeib... and people in the U.S. don't need to file income taxes, either.
Getting kicks out of pranking people on youtube.... it's no fun if you can't witness your prank. You are just being a dick.
MrObviousMan01 1 year ago
@MrObviousMan01 he's not kidding. There's a group of people that believe that stuff.
MystryBox 1 year ago
SPAM!
lol5lol5lola 1 year ago
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ericsbuds 1 year ago
In Poland, there is no need for any of that. Just slip the officer some money and be on your way. :P
kubush 1 year ago
or u could just have big boobs
jonkava65 1 year ago
I found a different way to handle this, simply cancel your driver's license and travel instead of driving (there is a legal difference). When you are traveling the CVC does not apply (see CVC section 21052 for who the CVC applies to) CVC = CA Vehicle Code. You can also confirm this is legal by looking up "Charlie Sprinkle" - The game changer is when a cop pulls you over and asks if you were speeding etc, you just as the cop "have you made the legal determination that I am driving?"
coreyeib 1 year ago
@coreyeib I HIGHLY recommend you don't do that or suggest anyone else do that. Cops usually don't know or care about such esoteric legal tricks and if they do you'll be in even bigger trouble as they'll resent your trying such a maneuver.
If you want to waste your time trying to convince a judge of such arguments that would be a better place to do it... and even then you're probably wasting your time and potentially getting yourself into a mess.
MystryBox 1 year ago
@MystryBox Your right, get it wrong and you will lose a lot more than just a little traffic ticket. I have spent the time researching and feel completely confident with what others have done. It has been quite some time since I rescinded my driver's license, and absolutely no trouble. PM me and I'll send you a link to the audio from my last traffic stop, you might find the first few minutes a bit funny and interesting as there are clear legal issues raised by my questions to the officer.
coreyeib 1 year ago
@coreyeib thanks but I'm really not interested in that. I've spent some time researching it already and all it does is get most the people that try it into trouble.
MystryBox 1 year ago
@MystryBox So let me ask you a question, what do you do if the officer still writes the ticket, and you sign a promise to appear (you should also look up the legal definition of 'appear' as well, it is important)? Do you have any strategies to win the ticket beyond confusing the officer on the side of the road?
coreyeib 1 year ago
@coreyeib no, I don't have any I would recommend. And I'm not interested in the techniques you're talking about. I've spent more than a little time on those and all they do is get you in trouble and/or waste your time.
MystryBox 1 year ago
@MystryBox Ah, but for the people who get it right, they don't have any trouble. Check out Charlie Sprinkle on google. 35 years no license. He took on Ronald Reagan when he was Gov here in CA, and won. There are a lot of people without licenses now, and there is plenty of information on how to do it right, just need to know where to look. Thanks for your postings, I enjoyed your vids...
coreyeib 1 year ago
Does this work for minorities too? Good luck with that.
Ryan256 1 year ago
Ah you just did incrimadate your self with the freeway one When you said i have you on radara going 55 in a 35 you said OK i dont know anything about radar you saying ok is admiting that you wear going that fast
mwr0585 1 year ago
y the hell dose he have spam in the backround
TheCorybonuaf 1 year ago
haha can of spam
a7x3908 1 year ago
in the background
fenome16 1 year ago
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fenome16 1 year ago
I've just listened to this video and heavily disagree with your approach. You are correct about self incrimination however, you are almost always being recorded on a dashboard mounted camera on the cop car, so there is enough evidence to give you a ticket ALWAYS. (Without you saying a word)
Airkilla09 1 year ago
I never get a ticket when I got my puppy lab in my car for some reason.Maybe he's scared my puppy may hop out and bite him (laugh)
bigtimer1254 1 year ago
All the stuff about denying wouldnt work around here lol Hed be pissed because you sound like a smart ass lol
BALSACTHEWARRIOR 1 year ago
@BALSACTHEWARRIOR I never said to deny anything. Don't deny. Avoid. You have a constitutional right not to incriminate yourself and the cops know it. You just have to not be a smart ass about it.
MystryBox 1 year ago
@MystryBox Well Im just trying to say that around here the examples you gave would be taken as smart assy. Just sayin. But the wrest was good advice. Just giving my opinion. I believe a better tactic would be to play ignorant lol "Do you know why I pulled you over?" "No sir I dont." Well I got you on my radar doing 70 in a 30.." "Well are you sure it wasnt another driver?" "It was you.." Well I wasnt aware (:"
BALSACTHEWARRIOR 1 year ago
@BALSACTHEWARRIOR I've tried that sort of thing and it doesn't work out well. If you act like it wasn't you the officer thinks you're denying it and will hammer you. If you say you weren't aware the officer jumps on you for admitting you weren't paying attention. There simply is no way to answer the questions you will be asked... In my opinion you have to avoid the questions without being a smart ass... and the way I do it is to turn everything around asking the officer his view.
MystryBox 1 year ago
But I've gotten out of my past 4 tickets through self incrimination and sincere apology and understanding of my mistake. The officer said "Do you know why I pulled you over" I replied "Yes , I am sorry it was really stupid of me." If you did something wrong, and the cop wants to give you a ticket ,HE WILL, and trying any of your "confusing tactics" would only anger the cop and (In NYC where I live) would cause the cop to throw you out of your vehicle and slam you against your hood GOODJOB
Airkilla09 1 year ago